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Speaker 1: This show discusses cold case murders and the people who

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Speaker 1: spend their lives fighting for justice. We hope to raise

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Speaker 1: public awareness and invite witnesses to come forward with evidence

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Speaker 1: that could potentially be investigated by law enforcement. We also

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Speaker 1: remind listeners that everyone has pursued innocent until proven guilty

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Speaker 1: in a court of law, and that an arrest is

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Speaker 1: not a conviction. Nothing in the podcast is intended to

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Speaker 1: state or imply that anyone who has not been convicted

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Speaker 1: of a crime is guilty of any wrongdoing.

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Speaker 2: I was out of town that weekend and my cousin

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Speaker 2: called me and he said, you know, we have been

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Speaker 2: trying to get in contact with Joyce. So he told me,

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Speaker 2: you say, well, see if you can call it, maybe

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Speaker 2: she may recognize your number.

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Speaker 1: Thursday, June twenty second, twenty seventeen, was when Cornelius Allen

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Speaker 1: first heard that anyone was trying to reach his friend,

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Speaker 1: sixty six year old Joyce Sap. Cornelius and Joyce had

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Speaker 1: lived across the street from each other in Miami's Liberty

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Speaker 1: City neighborhood for fifty years, ever since they were little kids.

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Speaker 1: Even though Cornelius had later moved away, they remained close friends,

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Speaker 1: but really everyone in the neighborhood knew Joyce. If you

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Speaker 1: didn't see her at church, you'd probably see her on

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Speaker 1: one of her regular walks. She loved walking with her

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Speaker 2: I called, didn't get an answer, So then I called

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Speaker 2: her brother. I said Manuel, I said, they're trying to

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Speaker 2: contact Joyce. I say, have you heard from them? He said, no,

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard from her, but I've been calling. I

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Speaker 3: Emmanuel's Sap the brother of Joyce Francias Sap.

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Speaker 1: Emmanuel hadn't lived in Miami for decades, but he spoke

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Speaker 1: to his older sister frequently. It was odd she wasn't responding,

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Speaker 3: My sister normally would call me on Father's Day. That

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Speaker 3: didn't happen, so I continued to call, didn't make contact.

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Speaker 1: Emmanuel tried not to worry, but he asked a neighbor

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Speaker 1: to check in on her. That evening. The neighbor went

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Speaker 1: to Joyce's house. Joyce didn't answer, and he noticed something strange.

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Speaker 1: Her back door wasn't shut. He decided to call the police.

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Speaker 4: So it was dispatched as a check on well being.

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Speaker 4: I believe a neighbor was concerned because they saw the

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Speaker 1: Miami Police Departments Sergeant Nikolai Triffinoff is familiar with these

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Speaker 1: kinds of calls. They come in frequently.

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Speaker 4: Many times they'll get these calls to check on someone

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Speaker 4: concerned family member. Sometimes they just go on a vacation

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Speaker 1: So when an officer performs a wellness check, they often

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Speaker 1: don't know what to expect.

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Speaker 4: It could be anything from finding someone that's deceased but

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Speaker 4: may have died from natural causes because they're elderly, or

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Speaker 4: it may be an accidental where they fell and they

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Speaker 4: hurt themselves. You know, it could be a murder, suicide

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Speaker 4: something like that, especially in the city like Miami, or

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Speaker 4: that seems just very routine.

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Speaker 1: On June twenty second, a little after eight pm, two

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Speaker 1: police officers arrived at Joyce's house on Northwest sixty fourth Street,

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Speaker 1: It was a white, one story house on a block

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Speaker 5: Neighbor mentioned, hey, she has a dog, and we heard

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Speaker 5: the dog and we saw the lights outside the house.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Skull was on patrol at the time. He was

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Speaker 1: sent to Joyce's house that evening as a backup officer.

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Speaker 5: We made our way to the back of the house

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Speaker 5: we honestly didn't know at that point what we're at.

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Speaker 5: Just for our protection.

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Speaker 1: From the backyard, the officers could also see inside the house.

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Speaker 5: Her bedroom is situated in the backyard and you're able

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Speaker 5: to see inside. And then at that point that's when

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Speaker 5: police late entry and they found her laying on the bed.

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Speaker 5: And at that point I think somebody mentioned, hey, listen,

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Speaker 5: I think we need to call fire rescue here.

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Speaker 1: Calling fire rescue is protocol in most of these situations,

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Speaker 1: but for Joyce it was also a formality because there

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Speaker 1: was a reason why she hadn't been answering her phone.

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Speaker 1: Joy sapp was dead from School of Humans and iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 1: This is Cold Case Files Miami. I'm your host, Enrique Sanos.

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Speaker 6: I remember it being late evening, eight nine o'clock.

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Speaker 7: I received a call from a detective stating that they

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Speaker 7: were trying to contact her next to me, and they

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Speaker 7: told me what had happened.

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Speaker 1: Collect Colmbs was married to Joyce's brother, Emmanuel from nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy seven to nineteen eighty four. Even after they divorced,

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Speaker 1: she and Joyce remained close.

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Speaker 7: She was my sister from another mother, if you could

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Speaker 1: And Collette was just as shocked as everyone to hear

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Speaker 7: They just told me that she was found it on

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Speaker 7: the floor, and they told me what had happened, and

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Speaker 7: that the dog was there, and the dog wouldn't let

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Speaker 7: them get there of Joyce's body. And all I could

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Speaker 7: do is picture in my mind what it must have

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Speaker 7: looked like, because I didn't have the strength to go

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Speaker 6: I couldn't, I wasn't able to.

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Speaker 1: When officers arrived at Joyce's house, it was clear she

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Speaker 1: had been dead for some time.

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Speaker 4: Miss Sapp was in stages of decomposition at the time.

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Speaker 4: So we knew that some days that had passed from

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Speaker 1: But the police still didn't know how she died. Was

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Speaker 1: it of natural causes or something else.

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Speaker 4: We can never rule a death because we're not doctors,

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Speaker 4: but obviously certain things are apparent. Some suicides are a

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Speaker 4: parent overdoses, and then homicides are a parent right. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: they're not so obvious, and we do as best of

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Speaker 4: a job we can on scene with what we have

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Speaker 4: to try to determine what type of death this is.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes we can't. So this was one of those cases.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't apparent what she had died from. It was

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Speaker 4: worked as an unclassified death.

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Speaker 1: An unclassified death is a death where the manner in

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Speaker 1: which a person died natural accident, suicide, or homicide or

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Speaker 1: undetermined isn't clear. Police don't determine manner of death. Medical

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Speaker 1: examiners do, but police are obligated to provide the medical

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Speaker 1: So Miami PD immediately began their investigation, just.

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Speaker 4: Like in any unclassified death. They process the scene, they

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Speaker 4: take pictures, they take everything. We want to gain as

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Speaker 4: definitely a case of better to have and not need

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Speaker 1: Joyce's body was then taken to the Medical Examiner's office.

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Speaker 4: Once they conduct the autopsy and they can make a

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Speaker 1: The next day, Friday, June twenty third, twenty seventeen, the

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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office completed the autopsy and they found something

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Speaker 4: The medical examiner reached out to us and basically advised

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Speaker 4: that they had located a projectile in the victim's neck

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Speaker 4: and that the case was ruled a homicide.

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Speaker 1: Now there was no question her death was no longer unclassified.

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Speaker 1: Joyce had been shot. It was a homicide, a specific

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Speaker 1: kind of homicide.

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Speaker 4: For department and the majority of agencies, we classify our

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Speaker 4: homicides into smokers and who done its. So smokers are

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Speaker 4: just what it sounds like, a smoking gun. You have

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Speaker 1: Be, and then there are who done its where that

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Speaker 4: So at that point we just start trying to put

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Speaker 4: everything together and seeing obviously who can we talk to,

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Speaker 4: what evidence do we have? Who are possible suspects?

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Speaker 1: Was this a robbery gone bad, a targeted killing, a

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Speaker 1: mistaken identity they didn't know? The police spoke to Joyce's

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Speaker 7: And I can't imagine nobody wanting to hurt her, never would,

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Speaker 7: thanks you enemy, And I can't imagine it being intentional,

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Speaker 7: and I don't want to because that's the kind of

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Speaker 7: person she was. She wasn't aggressive. I've never seen or

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Speaker 6: She was not. That why it is.

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Speaker 7: So suspenseful of who could have done?

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Speaker 6: Is it someone among us? Is it? You know? It's

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Speaker 6: a lot.

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Speaker 7: Joyce was an angel to me on Earth. She was

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Speaker 2: Got up every morning and she went to work and

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Speaker 1: With few leads on a possible motive, the police returned

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Speaker 5: They questioned it the last person to see her alive,

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Speaker 5: the nine to one one caller video, any footage that

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Speaker 1: Joyce SAPs wellness check was the last call Andrew Skull

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Speaker 1: investigate Joyce's case, but her death stuck with him and

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Speaker 5: The investigator checked that shots botter. There was no shotspotters

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Speaker 5: call in that they heard gunshots in the area, but

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Speaker 5: unfortunately there was no reports of that. The investigators go

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Speaker 5: to suggest if there was any ballistics that were found

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Speaker 1: Nothing seemed to miss though. No signs of struggle, no

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Speaker 1: broken windows, no camera foot But investigators did find something.

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Speaker 1: When they were examining the outside of Joyce's house.

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Speaker 5: They noticed that there was evidence of an entry on

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Speaker 1: They knew Joyce had been killed by a bullet, and

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Speaker 1: here was a bullet hole. The bullet had come through

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Speaker 1: They even had the fire department come and remove part

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Speaker 4: We believe she was inside of her home when she

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Speaker 4: was shot. The bullet came from outside of her home

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Speaker 4: into her home. I couldn't say where she was that

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Speaker 1: Joyce Francia Sapp spent almost all of her life in

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Speaker 1: Miami in the same house on Northwest sixty fourth Street.

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Speaker 1: Miami had experienced the pop relation boom in the years

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Speaker 1: after World War Two, expanding from around one hundred and

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Speaker 3: Joyce was born in Tallahassee, Florida. We moved to Day

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Speaker 1: Emmanuel was born shortly after.

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Speaker 3: We were very close, you can imagine, having been read

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Speaker 1: Both Walter and Frankie May had jobs outside the home.

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Speaker 3: A mother worked as a nurse assistant, and my father

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Speaker 1: Walter Sap did maintenance at a nearby housing project. He

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Speaker 1: early nineteen fifties, the neighborhood lines were a little different.

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Speaker 3: We resided in the Edison Center area, which was a

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Speaker 1: When the SAPs arrived, they were still one of the

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Speaker 1: The expressway, which was elevated in parts, did allow for

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Speaker 3: The whites started moving away. In the sixty after Kennedy

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Speaker 1: Joyce, Emmanuel and their neighbor Cornelius all witnessed these changes.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty much sigreated. Everything was either black on

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Speaker 2: You had black schools, black churches, black stores. There were

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Speaker 2: very few Anglo Americans in Liberty City, and if they were,

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Speaker 2: or we basically passed through. We had clarks where basically

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Speaker 1: You know, despite this, has good memories of growing up

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Speaker 2: It was a family already in the community, and everybody

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Speaker 1: And though Cornelius wasn't related by blood to the SAPs,

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Speaker 2: They had a lot of cousins, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: I met all of them. Oftentimes during the holidays able

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Speaker 1: The barbecues were big affairs with lots of people invited.

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Speaker 1: The SAPs were a church going family and they believed

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Speaker 1: to Emmanuel, church came first, but education was a close second.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty eight, Joyce graduated from Miami Northwestern Senior

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Speaker 2: When her brother left got married and moved out. You know,

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Speaker 2: she pretty much stayed in because she, you know, mother

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Speaker 1: Joyce herself never married or had children, but she was

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Speaker 1: a Liberty City fixture. She was part of her church,

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Speaker 1: friends with her neighbors. Well liked.

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Speaker 6: Everybody knew her, so she was very acted with them.

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Speaker 1: Her sister in law, Collette, remembers how close Joyce was

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Speaker 6: She loved her friends. She loved to go to, you know,

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Speaker 6: little gatherings with them. She laughed about. They did talk

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Speaker 7: So her closest friends looked across the street and they

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Speaker 6: She would laugh and giggle about the silliest thing.

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Speaker 1: Family also meant a lot to Joyce.

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Speaker 6: She would give you Manu whatever because that was her brother.

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Speaker 7: They had a very good relationship and they were always

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Speaker 6: Always when he needed something, he.

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Speaker 1: Called her, and the same was true for Joyce and collect.

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Speaker 7: We did everything together. I just could call her, She'd

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Speaker 7: be there. We were sisters forever. When I had my child,

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Speaker 7: I named my daughter. Her middle name is after Joyce.

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Speaker 7: Her name is Kirsten. Friends here and that is Joyce's

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Speaker 7: middle name. Joyce never had children, so this was like

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, Joyce was there.

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Speaker 7: She did everything for my daughter, anything my daughter asked

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Speaker 1: After Joyce retired, she did two things. She bought herself

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Speaker 6: She was a natural teacher, Garrett. I'm going to go

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Speaker 7: I was in the area and I stopped by to

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Speaker 6: I mean everything was so beautifully set up.

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Speaker 7: Because I was like, wow, Joyce, this is what you

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Speaker 6: Said you're always a teacher, and she said yeah. She

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Speaker 1: Her faith and her church continued to be very important

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Speaker 7: Malc Cavary Missionary Baptist Church was her heart. Oh yes,

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Speaker 7: she was on several different boards and Sunday School.

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Speaker 6: I think she was unshering.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was her heart until she was no longer here.

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Speaker 7: And it was like literally two blocks away. So if

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Speaker 1: That was something everybody knew about Joyce. She loved walking.

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Speaker 1: As one neighbor told the local news station after Joyce's death,

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Speaker 6: She loved it. Joyce walked a lot. She liked to walk.

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Speaker 6: She would walk to church, or she would be walking

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Speaker 7: Hey, what's going on. She stopped and spoke to everybody.

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Speaker 7: They were sitting a lot of times in African American

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Speaker 6: Of course she's speaking to everybody.

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Speaker 1: If you've only heard the name Liberty City but have

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Speaker 1: And it's true Liberty City is a higher crime area.

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Speaker 1: In fact, between twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen, the zip

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Speaker 1: It's also the regular people who live there. And while yes,

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Speaker 2: We didn't have a lot of crime in the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: The truth is most people are just decent people trying

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Speaker 2: You see, one thing about neighborhoods is that everybody knows everybody.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like a stranger going to walk in

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Speaker 1: Joyce knew everybody, everybody knew her. It didn't seem like

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Speaker 1: anyone wanted to harm her, So what could have happened?

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Trivenoff, who's been with the City of Miami Police

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Speaker 1: of difficult cases, but Joyce SAPs is especially challenging.

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Speaker 4: This is a case where we really didn't have much

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Speaker 1: There were no signs of force entry or robbery. But

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Speaker 1: Joyce's back door had been found open. Was that a clue? Possibly?

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Speaker 1: But one of her neighbors offered the police a potential explanation.

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Speaker 4: She had the dog, so it's very possible she was

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, after Joyce Sapp's body was found in June twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: by who, but they didn't have much. No known enemies

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Speaker 4: A case like this with miss sap it has the

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Speaker 4: tendency to go cold much quicker than other cases because

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Speaker 1: Very little to go on. Joyce's case files sat and

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Speaker 1: as the years passed, the original investigators who'd worked on

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Speaker 5: The case was transferred over to cold case because any

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Speaker 5: detective was generally aside to that case is no longer here.

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Speaker 1: Detective Andrew Skull had spent four years in homicide before

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Speaker 1: and one of the cases he was assigned was Joyce's.

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Speaker 5: It was always weighing heavily in my heart, just because

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Speaker 1: And even though he already knew the details and the

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Speaker 5: So I wanted to see if maybe I have a

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Speaker 5: the process we work. You break it down and then

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Speaker 5: you build it back up.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I tried to do with this case,

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Speaker 1: and he felt hopeful he could find something new.

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Speaker 5: The probability of you solving it tends to be a

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Speaker 5: little higher just because you're more invested in it. Sometimes

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Speaker 5: not everybody worked the same way, but for me, it's

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Speaker 5: worked out.

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Speaker 1: Detective Skull poured over the case file trying to see

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Speaker 1: if there was anything someone might have missed, a lead

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Speaker 1: that wasn't followed. But the truth was there wasn't much.

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Speaker 5: The most relevant information is that, you know, it's that

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Speaker 5: stray round that struck.

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Speaker 1: So he reached out to the greater public, hoping that

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Speaker 1: someone who knows something might say something.

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Speaker 5: We did a plead to the public to see if

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Speaker 5: anybody had some information to come forward that could help

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Speaker 5: further along this investigation.

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Speaker 1: Detective Skull spoke to Miami's ABC affiliate Local ten News

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Speaker 1: back in May twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 8: Miami Police detective Andrew Skull worked patrol at the time

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Speaker 8: of Joyce's death.

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Speaker 5: It was a model citizen. She was a school teacher.

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Speaker 3: She kept quiet, she kept to herself.

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Speaker 8: The department's cold case unit expanded to four detectives, including Skull,

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Speaker 8: who's focused on unsolved cases.

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Speaker 5: I would hope with something like this that yes, somebody

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Speaker 5: would volunteer and come forth and give their peace or

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Speaker 5: have some information that would help us out. You know,

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Speaker 5: we need the help of the public. Considering the circumstances

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Speaker 5: here were hands tied behind our backs. You know, we're

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Speaker 5: a little stumped here.

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Speaker 1: With so little evidence, it's been hard to determine why

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Speaker 1: joy Sap was killed, or even exactly when there's only

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Speaker 1: speculation and theories. One theory investigators have is that Joyce

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Speaker 1: was hit by a stray bullet fired at random.

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Speaker 5: It was suggested that at stray bullet that struck the

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Speaker 5: side of the house it came from along the highway

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Speaker 5: in order for that trajectory to make its way down.

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Speaker 1: House. It's a couple of blocks about half a mile

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Speaker 1: from the expressway, the one they started building back in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. How far a bullet travels depends on

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Speaker 1: a lot of things. Its size, the wind, the altitude,

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Speaker 1: the angle the gun is fired at. But given the

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Speaker 1: right conditions, they can sometimes travel thousands and thousands of feet,

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Speaker 1: even a couple of miles.

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Speaker 5: Firearms are not poised, you know, I know they're Fourth

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Speaker 5: of July in New Year's Eve. We get reports of

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Speaker 5: that all the time, people firing their guns in the air,

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Speaker 5: and you know, those bullets need to come down, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: sometimes they strike people and someone might lose a loved one,

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Speaker 5: as in this case.

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Speaker 1: And as far as why Joyce was killed.

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Speaker 5: There is no motive here. It was just an unfortunate

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Speaker 5: circumstance that took place here.

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Speaker 1: As I record this, Joyce SAP's case is still cold.

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Speaker 1: The person who took her life is still out there.

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Speaker 1: It's a who done it with no suspects and no

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Speaker 1: credible leads, and the fact that there are still no

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Speaker 1: answers is distressing to Joyce's family.

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Speaker 7: I don't know the details of it. I just know

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Speaker 7: it's still a cold case, and I don't know how

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Speaker 7: that happened why, I don't understand, and my daughter is

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Speaker 7: still troubled in a mess because of it. I went

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Speaker 7: to the dedication they had for Joyce at our little school,

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Speaker 7: and I took the grandkids with me, and all the

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Speaker 7: beautiful sentiments from the parents and the church, and the

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Speaker 7: little church was just pat with people. And then of

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Speaker 7: course we went to the funeral that was closed. We

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Speaker 7: never got to see her, my grandkids, and we never

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Speaker 7: got a chance to say goodbye in that regard. We

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Speaker 7: just attended this service, but it was awful. It continues

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Speaker 7: to be that air of not knowing, why, how, who,

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Speaker 7: what was the reason. It's just a cloud of uncertainty,

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Speaker 7: a cloud of not knowing.

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Speaker 1: Klet's grief is still so profound she can't even bring

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Speaker 1: herself to go back to that block on Northwest sixty

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Speaker 1: fourth Street anymore.

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Speaker 7: I never went down there to the house. I just couldn't.

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Speaker 7: I just I couldn't. Right now, I won't really pass

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Speaker 7: by the house that that street no to this day,

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Speaker 7: I won't do it. And my church is right over

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Speaker 7: from it. But it's just too painful, too painful.

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Speaker 1: Finding out why Joyce died and who killed her won't

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Speaker 1: take away that pain, but it might help her family

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Speaker 1: move forward.

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Speaker 7: But to have that not knowing always there on the

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Speaker 7: shelf of a loved one that has gone on.

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Speaker 6: It's so so difficult.

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Speaker 7: If there's anybody, I'm pleading, begging if you or someone

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Speaker 7: you know know.

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Speaker 6: Anything about this case.

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Speaker 7: Joyce Frience Us SAP, please come forward. Please, I'm begging you,

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Speaker 7: please shed some light on the darkness.

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Speaker 6: As it's a petted and peeded our family for so long.

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Speaker 6: Please help us.

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Speaker 7: We can only heal with truth, and we're asking whoever's

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Speaker 7: out there.

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Speaker 6: That can help us move forward to please do so.

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Speaker 6: She deserves that, her family deserves that.

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Speaker 3: Please look within your own family for mercy. If something

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Speaker 3: was to occur like it occurred with me and my sister,

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Speaker 3: I'm asking them to come forward, could assist me and

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Speaker 3: I want no one else to go through this.

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Speaker 1: If you have information to share on any cold case,

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Speaker 1: please call or send in a tip with your local

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Speaker 1: crime stoppers or law enforcement department in Miami. That number

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Speaker 1: is three zero five four seven to one tips. That's

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Speaker 1: three zero five four seven one eight four seven seven.

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