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Speaker 1: is time for episode fifty six of the Luke Thomas

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Speaker 1: he would just defend it. You just fight. We'd stay busy,

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Speaker 1: so you would have the situation where we wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about what exactly Stepe is gonna do it

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Speaker 1: and when he's gonna come back, maybe he fights Jones,

428
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Speaker 1: maybe he fights Francis whatever, and Francis could be making

429
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Speaker 1: money in rotation and instead now you have neither of

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Speaker 1: those things. I mean, it's just, you know, I understand

431
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Speaker 1: that folks have a revulsion towards interim titles. I get it.

432
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Speaker 1: There's a very good reason to have it. It's not

433
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Speaker 1: like it's a bad reason. It's a good reason. But

434
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Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like, you know, there you

435
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Speaker 1: have to ask what ultimately is the better outcome for

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Speaker 1: all the various players here, And it's hard for me

437
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Speaker 1: to see how UFC wins by having just Francis sit

438
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Speaker 1: around all this time. I don't think that they would

439
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Speaker 1: even argue that that's like the best way all of

440
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Speaker 1: this has gone. So, you know, are you asking, like

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Speaker 1: in a vacuum, what would be a better fight? Yeah?

442
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Speaker 1: I think maybe you could. Hard to know, but there's

443
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Speaker 1: a reason to believe that Jones Stepe would be the

444
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Speaker 1: more interesting and come of the two. Uh, but you

445
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Speaker 1: can't do that to Francis, man, the guy's been waiting

446
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Speaker 1: all this time. It just seems that would be absurd

447
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Speaker 1: to do the twenty year own Premier talents. Here's somebody

448
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: asking a stupid question, which I will ignore. Chance we

449
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Speaker 1: see a TJ. Dillashaw versus Frankie Edgar fight in twenty

450
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Speaker 1: twenty one, boy, inn't that interesting? Huh? Man? It all

451
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Speaker 1: depends on how good TJ is, right, Like, how much

452
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Speaker 1: did he lose with the time off? How much was

453
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Speaker 1: he really benefiting from ped us man huge questions? How

454
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Speaker 1: much does he did to recover from all the surgeries

455
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Speaker 1: remember he got I think both shoulders operated on huge

456
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Speaker 1: amounts of questions. I tend to think it's probably pretty good.

457
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Speaker 1: Now they're gonna my hunches. They're not gonna put TJ

458
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Speaker 1: to start too far away from any kind of title opportunity.

459
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Speaker 1: I think will actually be pretty close. But well, will

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Speaker 1: I say, what are the chances? I'd say a good

461
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Speaker 1: fifty percent or higher. Honestly, I think that's a real possibility.

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Speaker 1: You could see that. It's just it's a kind of

463
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Speaker 1: a function of of of TJ and how good or

464
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Speaker 1: bad he looks. But I think the chances are high.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is Dustin's best path to victory

466
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Speaker 1: against Connor? Aside from Habib? Who in the lightweight division?

467
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Speaker 1: You see is Connor's biggest threat, biggest threat besides him?

468
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: Maybe Justin? I mean, it's hard to know. Right here

469
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: is my best guess about Connor, and it's just that

470
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Speaker 1: it's a guess. Even grappling Habib, did this Go back

471
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Speaker 1: and watch that first round. I know some folks are like, oh,

472
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Speaker 1: by the rules of MMA, it's actually kind of debatable

473
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Speaker 1: who won. I somewhat understand that argument, but if you

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Speaker 1: know anything about it's not debatable who won. It was

475
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Speaker 1: very clear who won. Whatever the rules may or may

476
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Speaker 1: not say, you know, in terms of what the positions

477
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Speaker 1: that the two were in told us. Habib won, but

478
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Speaker 1: he won by doing something. Now, the second round was

479
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: very bad for Connor. Third round much better. He won

480
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Speaker 1: that one. In the fourth thrown he got finished. But

481
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: in the first round it was a little bit on

482
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Speaker 1: the boring side because what was Habib trying to do?

483
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: Just drain him, just drain him, constantly, trying to get

484
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: him to go flat, constantly trying to advance position. Not

485
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: a ton of ground and pound, but high work rate,

486
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Speaker 1: high work rate. Now, Connor had a bit of a

487
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Speaker 1: rallying moment, as we mentioned in that third, but it

488
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Speaker 1: paid off big time for Habib in the second, which

489
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Speaker 1: was maybe a ten eight round. Habib beat the fuck

490
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Speaker 1: out of him in the second. Okay, to me, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the shortest path is to beating Connor,

492
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Speaker 1: but it seems like to me the shortest path is

493
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Speaker 1: that you gotta drain him. You gotta drain them. To me,

494
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Speaker 1: Connor is very good coming forward. He's an you heard

495
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: Dustin himself, an excellent judge of distance, fantastic timing. He

496
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Speaker 1: packs a punch in the left hand. You got to

497
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Speaker 1: keep that guy guessing. You got to keep that guy

498
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Speaker 1: off of you to the extent possible. You got to

499
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Speaker 1: keep him turning. You got to tag him at distance,

500
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: and you have to you have to make him work.

501
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: How do you make him work? So most of the

502
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: time I think you should be turning good footwork, making

503
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: him follow, making him follow to the extent possible. It's

504
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: hard because Connor is good at cutting off the cage.

505
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, really, I mean really really nimble lateral movement.

506
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Speaker 1: If they're fighting and fight Ouland, it means it's a

507
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Speaker 1: bigger cage. I think that will help Dustin to the

508
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Speaker 1: extent that he wants to make that part of his

509
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Speaker 1: game plan. I think the other part is you got

510
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: to close a distance on that guy, and you got

511
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Speaker 1: to wrap up with him in the clinch, and you

512
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: got to make him defend takedowns against defense, and he will.

513
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: I actually think that Connor's takedown defense is pretty good.

514
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: I think Connor's jiu jitsu actually is very good. I

515
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Speaker 1: know some folks think that's a controversial statement. I don't

516
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Speaker 1: know why the tip. I mean, the guy swept uh

517
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz with a kudu kud guard. Kudu kudu guard,

518
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: which is a very esoteric guard with the blade of

519
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: the foot goes inside the crotch and then you lift

520
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: and turn them. He hit him with one of those. Dude,

521
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: that's like a hard ass thing to do. It's just

522
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: the when he gets tired. When people get tired, they

523
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: make bad choices, right. I don't know that, like if

524
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: you wrestled him the whole first round, that would make

525
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: him super fatigued. But anything that slows Connor down a

526
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit is gonna meet me a big difference maker.

527
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: And the reason why is again, I don't think that

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Speaker 1: Dustin is a slow starter exactly, but if you just

529
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Speaker 1: look at how he performs against elite opposition, even in

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Speaker 1: fights where he wins, his early rounds are early round

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Speaker 1: I should say first round, it's not necessarily his best one.

532
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: He makes the adjustments over time, and then by the

533
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: third and the fourth he's pouring it on you. You know,

534
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: the path to victory for me, for Dustin does not

535
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: lie in the first two rounds. If the first two

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Speaker 1: rounds are about making Connor frustrated, making him work, making

537
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Speaker 1: him not like if you can make him exhausted, great,

538
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: but just you know, take him from being fresh to

539
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: something less than that, and then open up, and then

540
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: the striking is not nearly as potent, the timing isn't

541
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Speaker 1: nearly as as sharp. Then he's a much more manageable

542
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: thing because Dustin tends to get hit a little bit early.

543
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: But as you saw in the Hooker fight, if he

544
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: can withstand that, and he did, he can absolutely wreck

545
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: people's day. So I really feel like it's first two rounds,

546
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 1: not survive. First two rounds, frustrate, make him work, never settle,

547
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: never let him settle, either all the way out or

548
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: all the way in the whole nine yards. And then

549
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: at round three then you really begin to open up. Hey, Luke,

550
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: you and DC's dynamic compliment each other like a McDonald's

551
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: milkshake and fries moist delicious, And I never knew I

552
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: needed it in my life. People do this not so

553
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: much with the compliment, which we I appreciate. I'm sure

554
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: BC does as well, But people tell me that they

555
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: like to dip their fries in like a Wendy's frosty.

556
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: You people belong in the Hague. What is wrong with you?

557
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: I've seen people do that like you ever see these people? Like?

558
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: I never knew people did this until I moved to

559
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Speaker 1: the South for a time in my life and my

560
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: parents got divorced. I remember the first time I went

561
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: I had watermelon in Georgia. People are like, yeah, you

562
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: should put salt on it, and I'm like, dude, why

563
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: the fuck would I put salt on watermelon? Oh well,

564
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: it tastes going on it. It's like, I like salt.

565
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: I like watermelon. Motherfucker, I ain't putting salt on my watermelon.

566
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: You know what's delicious about watermelon? Watermelon doesn't need anything,

567
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: doesn't need hot sauce, doesn't need balsamic vinaigrette, doesn't need

568
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: olive oil, doesn't need you know, soy sauce. It doesn't

569
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: It's good. Just slice and eat nature's candy. And people

570
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: do this shit. I don't. I don't, I don't. I

571
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: don't quite understand it. I'm I'm all for mixing opposites

572
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: in the fact, that's really what makes food work in

573
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Right, Like what's a great way

574
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: to eat starch and balance it? You put some acid

575
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Speaker 1: on it, whether it's like vinegar or lime. Put some

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Speaker 1: lime on top of rice, for example, Buddy, you are

577
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: doing something lime juice, I should say lime shavings. It's delicious,

578
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: it's amazing. You know it's really really good, or you

579
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: just think about it. You know any number of sort

580
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: of different ways you could make opposites work, right. You know,

581
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: when you have a burger, you want a little bit

582
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: of softness, you want a little bit of fat, you

583
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: want a little bit of acid, a little bit of crunch, right,

584
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: you want to you want to mix things to get

585
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: a holistic experience. Okay, cool, but you know you know

586
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: what my ice cream needs doesn't need potatoes. Just eat

587
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: the fucking frosty. I've never Oh, Luca should try it, bitch,

588
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: I tried it. It doesn't I'm not gonna say it's

589
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: like terrible or something. But you know, you know what

590
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: your oreos need feces. Put some feces on oreo's buddy,

591
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: you never had what have you had oreos with feces?

592
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: Have you had oreos with feces. Well, until you've had it,

593
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: you can't say now I'll pass. Uh Who, in your

594
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: opinion MMA, are the best ring cage cutters? And conversely,

595
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: who do you believe are the best ring generals? Oh

596
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: Jesus all right? Uh? Who's good? Connor's a good cage cutter,

597
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Very good cage cutter. Canelo Canelo is a fucking beast

598
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: at it. So is Triple G in his prime, Tyson

599
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: Fury What Tyson Fury can be. He hasn't been in

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00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: several fights, so it's a little hard to call him that.

601
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: But when he has tried to implement a game plan

602
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: where that was the like the last Wilder fight, for example,

603
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: he was very good at it. Canelo is the big one.

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00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: He can fight all different kinds of ways, but when

605
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: he wants to back you up, he is so good

606
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: at it. Who else is a good h Atasignia when

607
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: he wants to, which often times he doesn't. When he

608
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: wants to, he's good. There another one in boxing that

609
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: stands out. Honestly, the guy's fighting this weekend, Arl Spencer

610
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: is pretty good at it. We'll have to see Canoni

611
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: versus Costa and Yon versus Sanhagen, All right, Canonia versus Costa?

612
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: I think as long as Costa, you know, didn't get

613
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: too derailed from the loss to Attasanya, I still like

614
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: him to win against most dudes in that division, so

615
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: I would side with him. And then Yan versus Sanhagen, Boy,

616
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: ain't that the fight? Man? I know san Hagan got

617
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: quickly beaten by al Joe because al Jo is a

618
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: monster and you can't make mistakes against him. And I

619
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Speaker 1: think Cordy would tell you that I'm still pretty high

620
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: on Cory Sanhagen. Man, I'm still pretty high on that guy.

621
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Speaker 1: I think that with a little bit more development and

622
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more time and a little bit more

623
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Speaker 1: polishing of what he does, you know, he's just if

624
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: you go back and watch his early fights in the UFC,

625
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: they look in many ways quite similar, except you know,

626
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: you could tell it's like if someone had if fighting

627
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: his penmanship, the strokes of his pen were not as smooth.

628
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: And now, man, it looks like absolutely beautiful line work.

629
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Speaker 1: And I can only imagine, giving his relative youth, how

630
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Speaker 1: much better that will get. Jean's a force to be

631
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Speaker 1: reckoned with, too. You know, you know, I've never done.

632
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Speaker 1: I've never done tape study on Yon, and I was

633
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: meaning to do it for the al Jo fight, and

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Speaker 1: I think I partly lack a full understanding of what

635
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: Yon is good at until I really take the time

636
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: to examine it. The one thing that really stands out

637
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: to me that would give Sanagan, I think, some problems

638
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: is san Jagan could keep the fight on the feet

639
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: if you wanted to, but to the extent he wanted

640
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: to mix it up. And this is something that al

641
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Jo is going to have to overcome as well. Aljie

642
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: canfine him at range. I think al Joe's got that

643
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: dude Yahn's takedown defense and scrambling. It is lights out.

644
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: It is lights out. You're gonna have to fight that

645
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: guy on the feet, man. You know you're gonna have

646
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: to really at distance on some level, maybe in the

647
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: clinch a little bit, but it's gonna be very, very

648
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: very hard to not only take him down, but keep

649
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: him down. He is he is quite good at it. Okay. TJ.

650
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: Dillashaw's suspension will be up soon. Given his recent interview

651
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: with Brett Oh brettill Como to over at ESPN, he

652
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: seems to think current Bathaway champion Peter Yan is undeserving

653
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: of the title. I mean, guys, he's just doing an

654
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: interview to make noise. I would not read too much

655
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: into it. But the question is, do you think TJ

656
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: should get the title shot right away? No, but I

657
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind giving him like a number one contenders fight

658
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: right away. I wouldn't mind that. Your taste may vary.

659
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: You may say, oh, fuck that guy, you know, he

660
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: didn't deserve shit, blah blah blah. Okay, but to me,

661
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: the guy was champion in the weight class. No one

662
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: beat him. They had to take the title from him.

663
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: Granted he cheated, okay, but you know he's a name

664
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: people recognize. Just from a business standpoint, it's like, what

665
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: do you want to do? Okay, the guy served his time,

666
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: all right, So what do you want to do with

667
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: the guy? Do you want to reward him with the

668
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: title shot right away? Okay, maybe not. I think that

669
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: might be a bit much. But do you really want

670
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: to just put him to the back of the pack

671
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: and waste what years he has left as a guy

672
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: who still has a name inside the sport. Just from

673
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: a business standpoint, you're like, that doesn't make sense the

674
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: guy was asked to serve a punishment and he did so.

675
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Thread the needle here a little bit, give him a

676
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: number one contenders fight or something pretty close to it,

677
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: and then go from there. But just like, oh, we're

678
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 1: gonna put you outside the top ten, dude, he's gonna

679
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: beat probably some of the if not most of those guys.

680
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we'll have to see. But seems

681
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: like a not totally a crazy thought. And also if

682
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: he still got a name, why, you know, just why

683
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: would you do that? Why would you do that? So? Okay,

684
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: title shot maybe not, but something but close? I think so.

685
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: This person writes, I was glad to see Tyson back

686
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: in the ring. I'm wondering how come the MMA community

687
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: wasn't screaming rapist from the rooftops the way they do

688
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: woman Beater when Greg Hardy fights. Yeah, it's a great question.

689
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: There is certainly well some people were. To be clear,

690
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: There's a guy I follow who wrote for dead Spin

691
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: for years. He no longer does. He wrote some pieces

692
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: about Floyd and about Mike, and he won't watch Mike

693
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: as a consequence. I think Mike has done a lot

694
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: more over the years. Who endear himself not really to

695
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: the combat sports community but to a wider society. For

696
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: some of the things he's done wrong, he has atoned

697
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: for them for some of the things he has not,

698
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: or you know, he claims that he doesn't need to

699
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: because he's not guilty of those things. And that's certainly

700
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: a matter of intense debate, But it would be wrong

701
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: to say that, like, has Greg done the charm offensive

702
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: that Tyson did? No? Also, Tyson may have committed a

703
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: worse crime, but he also went to prison for it. Greg,

704
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, never served any time, and so maybe people

705
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: believe he got off well, you know, he got lucky

706
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, depending on your perspective.

707
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: But if you're asking, like, is there a moral inconsistency?

708
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: If you really believe that Mike did those things and

709
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: you really believe that Greg did those things, isn't there

710
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: an inconsistency in the way that Mike is treated by

711
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: some versus how Greg is treated. Sure, sure, there is

712
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Who are some of your favorite comedians? Well,

713
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know who are all the current rages, So

714
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna date myself with probably some of these references.

715
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: But as I told. I'm not sure who I told.

716
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't think I told Joe this exactly, but as

717
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: I told, like either on this podcast or other ones,

718
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: I grew up in I grew up. I should say

719
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I lived in New York at a time, you know,

720
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: two o three oh four, a little bit of five

721
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: where the comedy seller in Greenwich Village was like the

722
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: place to be. I mean, Caroline's on Broadway was, you know,

723
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: the big place to catch tourists and shit. But like,

724
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: where did the real big dogs go night after night?

725
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: You know they went to They went to the comedy cellar.

726
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: And so this was the era of uh, you know,

727
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: he's not necessary of my favorite, but this was the

728
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who was there? How about that? This

729
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: was the before he had a stroke. It was was

730
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: his name, Keith Richardson. He's a black comedian who was

731
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: just hilarious at the time. I think he had a stroke.

732
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I think he's still not doing comedy, but he's not

733
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: the same as he was before. But it was Jim Norton,

734
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: it was Colin Quinn, it was Patrisa O'Neill, it was

735
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: Bill Burt. You could if you lived in New York

736
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: City in three and o four. I'm not kidding. If

737
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: you wanted to see Bill Burr four times a week,

738
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: you could do it because he would go to the

739
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: Boston Comedy Club, which is right around the corner from

740
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: a comedy seller. Then you go to comedy seller. Then

741
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: he would go to like Caroline's on Broadway, and then

742
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if he did was doing

743
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: NYCC at the time or something, but like, you know,

744
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: he could go just it was crazy, so he'd be

745
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: him him. I don't know if I said it already.

746
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: Nick Depolo there and it was just so many David

747
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Tell was part of that, Dove Davidoff, and on and

748
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: on and on. Rich russmannive was part of that crew.

749
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: So my favorite. Again, I don't know that I have

750
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: to have the same affection for them as I once did,

751
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: but I grew up on like Nick Depolo, Bill Burr,

752
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: Patrise O'Neil has been a huge figure in my life

753
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: in terms of artistic inspiration. Bill Hicks, you know, he

754
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: obviously got a little preachy, but I thought he was

755
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: extremely original. I've read some of his biographies. Richard Pryor,

756
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, it was just a fucking absolute master craftsman.

757
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: George Carlin not my favorite, but he was extremely prolific,

758
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: putting out an album almost every year. I mean, that

759
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: is insanely difficult to do. He did it. My favorite

760
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: living comedian I think by a country mile is Doug Stanhope.

761
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: Doug is to me unlike basically any other living comedian

762
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: that I have seen. Now again, there's gonna be a

763
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: limit to what I can say because I don't know

764
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: that I'm as embedded in you know, going to You know,

765
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: we live in New York City and it's ten bucks

766
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: to get in the comedy seller. There's a two drink minimum,

767
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: and you know, Dave Chappelle might stop by, and Jerry

768
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Seinfeld might stop by. You know, I was a great

769
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: way to spend your day, and I would go all

770
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: the time. I saw Rock, Chris Rock there. I saw

771
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: so many guys there. But Doug is different. You know,

772
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: Doug has a piece that he had to wait on

773
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: a statute of limitations to clear him from legal culpability

774
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: from not his most recent album but the one before,

775
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: where he discussed how he helped his mom with assisted suicide.

776
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: She wanted to die and they had planned it out

777
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: and so he helped her, and he had to have

778
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: a statute of limitations on that before he could tell

779
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: the joke and the whole bit, and it is absolutely told.

780
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: Totally genius. He has one of my favorite albums from

781
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: him are I think it's called Turning the Gun on

782
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: Himself is a good one. He has one. He is

783
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: a bit on school shootings that is fucking hilarious. He

784
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: has a bit on from deadbeat hero on I mean,

785
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: any number of very very controversial topics. He was good.

786
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: I said it before. A lot of comedians want to

787
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: say it like they make you like, oh, I'm going

788
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: to make you rethink this, but they're not nearly as

789
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: clever about turning the premise on its head. They get

790
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: kind of halfway there and it's kind of funny, it's

791
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, but it's a little bit surface level.

792
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: Doug Stanhope is a genius at that he can take

793
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: the world that you're looking at. He could take the

794
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: premises by which you think you operate and flip them

795
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: on their head and you have to completely rethink scenarios.

796
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: You know, he had a bit on you know why

797
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: life needs to continue in its later stages, and there's

798
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: a bit where it's like Grandma talking about how she

799
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: savors every sunrise as the ants in her assisted living

800
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: facility chew through the drywall and slowly eat her to death.

801
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's just he has such a sort of

802
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: macabre way of looking at the world. But there's an

803
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: undeniable amount of truth in what he says, and there's

804
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: an undeniable amount of bullshit in the way in which

805
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: we have not only conceived of the world, but in

806
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: the myths we tell to keep it that way. And

807
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: he is unencumbered by those myths, and it gives him

808
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: a very very difficult worldview to accept. Some but there's

809
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: just no denying its originality, there's no denying its humor,

810
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: there is no denying how unique and special he is.

811
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: And the other part I would say is and this

812
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: is the thing that was really a wake up call

813
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: to me. Dude, Doug Stanhope is better than basically any comedian.

814
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: I won't say any comedian you have seen on the

815
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: Tonight Show, but I'd say ninety nine percent better than

816
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: those comedian. Okay, Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle been on

817
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: him or something. He's not better than them, but you know,

818
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: he's pretty fucking good. Okay, he's excellent and completely original.

819
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: They're not going to book him on Conan, They're not

820
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: going to book him on The Tonight Show, They're not

821
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: going to book him on Colbert, They're not going to

822
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: book him on all of these ways in which the

823
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: comedians typically go on to get famous. Now that paradigm

824
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: has changed a lot a lot. Go through Netflix, dude,

825
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: he's not getting on Netflix now. Maybe they can't him

826
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: and offered him something, But the point being is this.

827
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: He has his own economy. He has his own fans

828
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: that follow him on his own mailing lists. He has

829
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: venues that have no relationship to the comedy industry that

830
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: he rents out so his fans can go to. And

831
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: that gives him complete artistic freedom, so he can people

832
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: think I want to say whatever I want to say. No, dude,

833
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: he did it. Now. That means you don't get to

834
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: go on all the mainstream media organs, the various shows

835
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: that go on network television, or you know, having a

836
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: celebrated event on Showtime or Netflix or HBO or whatever.

837
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: You don't get those things. But what you do get

838
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: is nobody is going to tell you what you can

839
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: do except the law. That's it. That's the only person

840
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: I should say. That's the only line you can't cross,

841
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: and Buddy, within those lines, you can do a lot.

842
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: I can't think of another comedian who has, you know,

843
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: decided that my craft is so important and saying what

844
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: I want to say is so central to my identity

845
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: that I'm going to give up all of the trimmings

846
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: that dud from a talent if you want to write

847
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: those stupid ass jokes. He could a lot of people

848
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: know him from, like being with Joe Rogan, the guys

849
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: who kind of killed off the Man Show. Let me

850
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: tell you something that is so not that is not

851
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: how you should understand Dug Stanhope. Let me pull up

852
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: his discography here. Oh my god, he's got a bit

853
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: I mean, shitting on all religious groups, all the Abrahamic religions.

854
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: He's got one where he goes after well, he's got

855
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: a one. I mean, he's got a million where he

856
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: goes after Christians, when he goes after Jews as well,

857
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: goes after he goes after Muslims a little bit too,

858
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: but in very original ways. All right, So let me

859
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: read you his discography here, and let's see all right?

860
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: What are the best ones? Great White Stand Hope is okay,

861
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: Siko is funny. Something to take the Edge off is hilarious.

862
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: I've not heard the acid bootleg die Laughing is good.

863
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: Word of mouth is good two thousand and four to

864
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: me is when he really starts to get very good.

865
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: Word of mouth is good. Deadbeat Hero is one of

866
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: my favorites. No Refunds from Across the Street Oslo burning

867
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: the Bridge to Nowhere twenty twelve's before turning the Gun

868
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: on Himself. Twenty thirteen's Beer Hall Putsch is the one

869
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: where he talks about his love of the NFL in

870
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: a way that you just can't imagine. No place like

871
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: Home from twenty sixteen is interesting. I've not heard Popov

872
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Vodka presents an evening with duck stan Hilpebble from twenty seventeen.

873
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that. And then I saw a Last

874
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: of a Dying or Dying of a last excuse me,

875
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: the Dying of a Last Breed from twenty twenty on vimeo.

876
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: I thought that was okay. That wasn't some of his

877
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: better work. But he has books. He had one. This

878
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: is the name of a book he wrote in two

879
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: thousand and six, fun with pedophiles the best of baiting,

880
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: And I think what he would do is he would

881
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: go and play tricks on them. You know, dude, we're

882
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: talking like shit. I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

883
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: Totally fearless, man, totally completely utterly fearous, burning the bridge

884
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: to nowhere. What were some of the chokes on that one? Oh,

885
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: he goes after I think they'd made up at sense,

886
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: but he goes after doctor Drew and uh, Jesus man,

887
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: he is he is out there, totally original, all right.

888
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: TKZ Korean Zombie is aiming to make his return in

889
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: March or April and wants to fight is a Beat?

890
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the matchup? Love it? And do you

891
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: think the fight will happen? We now know the IAEA

892
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: is serving a six month suspension from Yousada, but he'll

893
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: be over return in March of twenty twenty one. Yeah, okay, Well,

894
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: putting him aside for just a second, what I think

895
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: of the matchup? I don't well, I you know, I

896
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: totally didn't see it or take it coming the way

897
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: that he did. But Za beat doesn't strike me as

898
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: like a heavy power puncher. He's the kind of guy

899
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: who has a high work rate, likes to make you

900
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: work through positions, threatens to take the back. It's sort

901
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: of always kind of on you in that way. But

902
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: he struggling against a guy like Cater who could resist

903
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: that and then begin to use his boxing later. TKZ

904
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: seems like that's something he could do as well. So

905
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: that would be a very competitive fight if they made it.

906
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: I would hope it be five rounds, in part because

907
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: zabeat hasn't been one of those yet, so I would

908
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: like to see that. Jesus is a political question. I'm

909
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: going to just skip for now. Who would win in

910
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: a doubles fight Luken BC versus CM Punk and Joshua Fabia, Well,

911
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: I think we're bigger than those guys. I'm not sure

912
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: how much I trust b C to get the job

913
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: done unfortunately, which is kind of sad, but that's why

914
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: we don't do those things. We often talk about big

915
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: fights that fell through that we wish had gone ahead,

916
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: twenty versus Habi being the obvious example, but are there

917
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: any other fights that have fallen through that with hindsight,

918
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: you are glad that did. For example, Habi versus Holloway

919
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: and twenty eighteen. Looking back, I just feel like that

920
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: guy would have gotten ugly for Max, and I'm trying

921
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: to get glad we didn't see it. It's a great question.

922
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: I have to think about that one. I don't know

923
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: that I'd be able to answer offhand, but it's a really,

924
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: very very smart observation for a question. These fuckers just

925
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: won't stop texting. It's like, Hey, Luke, are you on

926
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: the air? Oh look, put your phone on vibrate. Yeah.

927
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: I can't fuckers, I got shit to do. Okay, all right,

928
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: I have to think about that. It's a great question,

929
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: but I have to think about that. There's I mean,

930
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of like I mean, whether

931
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: let me think about that one. It's a great question. Look,

932
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned better leg entanglements and better back control of

933
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: something that would likely extend from Nogi BJJ to MMA

934
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: in the future. Following the trend of after the initial

935
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: leg lock explosion in the Nogi game by the Death

936
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: Squad and twenty three teen, twenty seventeen, and subsequently how

937
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: the meta shifted back to both leglocks and back taking,

938
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: would you say that it's likely we'll see more leg

939
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: entanglements to back taking in mma. I think you're already

940
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: seeing some of that, or leg entanglements as a way

941
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: of forcing disengagement so that someone can stand up, or

942
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: leglocks as a way to stop a scramble from getting worse.

943
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: People aren't going for leglocks in the way that they

944
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: used to, which is, you know they would go for

945
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: what was it to like Dennis Hallman and Frank Trigg,

946
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: where you can just you know, you can like turn

947
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: behind you and just fucking hammer fist the guy you

948
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: know who's right in close proximity because he's not really

949
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: all that close on the bite and he didn't really

950
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: do anything to off balance you. What you're seeing now

951
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: as guys can lock it up in scrambles to force

952
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: the scramble to be different. They can lock it up

953
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: as a way to force di engagement. They can lock

954
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: it up as a way to like get to the back,

955
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: get mounts, sweep almost in certain ways, they're not so

956
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: much going for it in very obvious forms of IBJJF

957
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: approved you know, ashigarami uh and then you know you

958
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: can just sort of get hit from it. You're not

959
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: seeing like ian entwhistle used to be kind of a

960
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: guy like that. They had really good leg locks and

961
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: from a certain kind of way. But I don't know

962
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: how the mma friendly. They were at the elite level,

963
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: and I think he was forced to pay for it eventually,

964
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: you know. So it's different than like Ryan Hall does it.

965
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, Ryan can like find a bite quickly and

966
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: then let go of it quickly and then transition to

967
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: something else as a consequence. I mean, if you watch

968
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: sort of what leg entanglements are all about, it's like

969
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: and really any good grappler, they have a lot of

970
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: good ways to get into positions from a lot of

971
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: different unique situations, and a lot of ways to get

972
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: out of them in the event that something goes wrong,

973
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: or at least get into another different position that's not

974
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: that one, where they can advance the attack or at

975
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: least change the attack well while rotating through various things. Oh,

976
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, you had a you know, you were on

977
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: the bat. You were you were on a fifty to fifty.

978
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: You use that to take the back all the back

979
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: didn't work. You use it to then come up on neonbelly,

980
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: and neonbelly didn't work. He used it to go to

981
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: side side didn't work. You used it to go to

982
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: the back, and they can chain all these things together

983
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: when one doesn't work. And I think they're finding ways

984
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: to get into leglocked positions, and those positions have a

985
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: series of functions and values, and then if they exhaust

986
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: them or they can't find them, they can then transition

987
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: back out to other things. That's really kind of the

988
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: key to the development of the leglock game is it's

989
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: partly its fluidity, and it's less focus on Okay, I

990
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: gotta get this heill hook or there's no purpose of

991
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: me being here. It's like, there's all kinds of things

992
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: I can do, including but not limited to the heel

993
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: hook or you know, toe hold or you know whatever.

994
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: Has Jorge missed the greater portion of what's seeming to

995
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: be his peak with inactivity and circumstances out of his control,

996
00:52:50,760 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: like let's say COVID, I don't I think it's a lot.

997
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: There probably is a case to be made that a

998
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: little bit more activity would have been beneficial. But also,

999
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, do you want to rush into taking another

1000
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: fight after you rush to take in the last one,

1001
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: even though you're performed quite ably given the circumstances. It

1002
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: wasn't the best demonstration of what you had. You've built

1003
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: up all of this good will, you want to leverage

1004
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: it for effective purposes. Taking the right fight at the

1005
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: right time is pretty key to that. Plus, once you

1006
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: start to get money, guys are a lot less interested

1007
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: in fighting. Then there's something to be said for that. Also,

1008
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: he's been putting out a lot more content on social

1009
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: media and YouTube, and wonder if it could have shades

1010
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: of the Woodley effect with the rap career in TMZ. Maybe.

1011
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: Also Woodley is not excuse me, Jory is not that

1012
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: young either. Let's see, hoy was he thirty six? Hell?

1013
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: Is he? Yeah? Thirty six? In fact, he just turned

1014
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: thirty six in November. Yeah, there is something to be

1015
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: said for that. H You know, but at thirty six

1016
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: you begin to have other interests. When you begin to

1017
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: have money, you want to start living out some of

1018
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: those other interests. Like, you know, on some level, could

1019
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: there have been a more single minded approach to the

1020
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: kinds of things you're talking about. Sure, On the other hand,

1021
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of also want to live your

1022
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: life as it comes to you. So this is partly

1023
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: why there are all these distractions, is these guys. Wait,

1024
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, they don't really blow up until they're in

1025
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: their late thirties. You know, they kind of want to

1026
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: enjoy it a little bit. I get it, dude, I

1027
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: get it. What did Eugene Barman tell you about the

1028
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 1: way he sees fights that was so enlightening? It wasn't

1029
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: one thing. My desire to know this more than I

1030
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: desire to know the true identity of the Zodiac Killer

1031
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: or who shot Biggie. It wasn't any one thing that

1032
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: he told me per se. I mean, I mean, he's

1033
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: given me some insights in terms of his overall philosophy

1034
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: of what he looks at and what he values and

1035
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But most of the time, it's like

1036
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: when you talk to him, you know, there's just a

1037
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: level of detail to what he is paying attention to

1038
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: that ends up being massively consequential. Well, or at least

1039
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, he'll see something small or seemingly small and

1040
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: it actually has, you know, completely enormous importance for the division,

1041
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: or that's saying the division to fight itself. That you know,

1042
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: someone like me who can't see it nearly. I mean

1043
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: I can see it, but I don't quite see it

1044
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: with a This is almost like a certain simplicity to

1045
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: the way he sees things. I mean ever heard sort

1046
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: of like the systemic way that John Dan Hurr kind

1047
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: of understands. You know, here are the two choices you

1048
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: face in this position. This is what makes this position work,

1049
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: This is what makes it go away? Right, how you

1050
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: balance all of these competing challenges and goals. He sort

1051
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: of sees fights with a similar kind of It's not simplicity,

1052
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: it's very complex, but he almost states it in a

1053
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: very simplistic way, you know. And and again when I'm

1054
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: saying simplistic, it's because he can slice through all the

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00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: nonsense for just the thing that matters. And I've had

1056
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: conversations with him and I'm like, shit, you know, how

1057
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: did I not conceive of it more clearly the way

1058
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: he has? You know, it really changes my view of things,

1059
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: like when you can when you can just understand, like

1060
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: what this fight is really about? What was this person

1061
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: doing that really made the difference? And he is very gifted.

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00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: I know everyone likes to clown me for this, and

1063
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, fine, clown me, Like whatever jokes you

1064
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: want to make make. That's the Internet, Like you can't

1065
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: fight it. But if y'all had the conversations that I had,

1066
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: and he was saying the things to you that he

1067
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: was saying to me, you'd have a uraka. I mean,

1068
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: you would have a Eureka moment too, when the light

1069
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: goes on you're like, holy shit, holy shit, I never

1070
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: thought of it that way. That's so true. You ever

1071
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: had a conversation with somebody and you just have They

1072
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: just said something to you in a way that just

1073
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: it was a concept you kind of understood but not

1074
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: really a little bit, but you were struggling with and

1075
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: then they just said it to you in the most

1076
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: obvious way, and you're like, you can't believe you didn't

1077
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: understand it that way. And then once they said it,

1078
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: you could just see the whole problem much more clearly.

1079
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: Now you ever met someone like that, I've met a

1080
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of people like that, and in all walks of life.

1081
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: You know, a mechanic, a professor, a fucking bike rider,

1082
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: anybody who's like a specialist in something and like they

1083
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: really understand it. That's him. He really understands it, and

1084
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: so he has a certain way of just imparting that

1085
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: wisdom that like is so clarifying it's not in any

1086
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: one or two things he's ever said. It's just that

1087
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: explained the whole universe. It's just it fight to fight. Oh,

1088
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: here's what I saw. Here's what I saw. Here's what

1089
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: I saw. It's like, holy shit, this guy, he is

1090
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: operating on a different level. Well, Junior dos Santos retire

1091
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: if he loses his fight with I can never pronounce

1092
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: the guy's name. I don't know the right way to

1093
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: do it. Cyril ghan Ghane, that's a question for JDS.

1094
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean, should he retire, you know, that's a different one.

1095
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. But will he I don't know. Assuming

1096
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: Habib does return to the UFC for one fight, what

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00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: do you think about the UFC using it as an

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to a open the one sixty five division. They won't, Uh,

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: they won't do that. So there's that. How do you

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00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: think Larissa's Shields does in the transition to MMA? Do

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00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: you think it would be hard for opponents? Hard to

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00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: find opponents for her? A little bit? And they do

1103
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: find opponents, what level they're going to be where it

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00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a shit show they're gonna be Dude,

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00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: I'll tell you her first two or three opponents, provided

1106
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: she doesn't lose her first two or three opponents are

1107
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna be pre diabetic gas station attendance, and folks

1108
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: are going to complain like I thought you were a

1109
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: focus Olympian without realizing that's exactly who it should be. Yes,

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00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: she has Olympic pedigree in boxing that will play a

1111
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: lot of really important roles. I think much more towards

1112
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: the mature stage of her career. In the very immature

1113
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: stage of her MMA career, I don't know how much

1114
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: value that's going to have because only an idiot's going

1115
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: to box with her, which she might fight some idiots,

1116
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: so there's possibility, but in general, people are not going

1117
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: to be fighting her on ways where that's going to

1118
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: be especially relevant at that point. What does she have?

1119
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: She has a clear mind for combat. She is experienced

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Speaker 1: in terms of like big stages. She is a good athlete.

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Speaker 1: But that's great, but that's missing a shitload of things

1122
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to win. So I'm actually doing some

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01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: tape study on her now. I'll have a video coming out,

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01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: I think, I think on my personal channel, like assessing

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Speaker 1: her boxing on what it might tell us for MMA,

1126
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: but I would have early on, early on, very managed expectations,

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01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, her last five fights have all

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Speaker 1: gone to a decision, ten rounds, all of them, I think, right,

1129
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Speaker 1: no stoppages in there. She's not a heavy puncher, which

1130
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: she might be an MMA by virtue of blah blah blah.

1131
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of open questions. I went over

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01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: them mostly on Morning Combat. I think, you know, Monday's show,

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Speaker 1: maybe yesterday's show, I don't remember which one, but we

1134
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: were talking about it and I'm like, dude, at MMA,

1135
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: you fight a little bit further apart, which I think

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01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: that helped Holly Holm because she had some pro kickboxing

1137
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: experience before she did pro MMA, so she was used

1138
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: to fighting in that range a little bit, even though

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01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: her ground game was not really, you know, anywhere near

1140
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: close to good enough. But if you're fighting further away,

1141
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be easier to get away or defend,

1142
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: and you have weapons in that range. Those are two

1143
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: options that are not really going to be as available

1144
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: to Clarissa as they were. It's a Holly and you know,

1145
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: she is a good athlete, and she obviously she can

1146
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: box really extremely well, but the same boxing, So you

1147
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: have to if you want to box with someone in

1148
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: MMA and you're Clarissa Shields, you are gonna have to

1149
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: negate all the other things, and you're gonna have to

1150
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: force them to box with you because they don't have

1151
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: to box with you. You know. Ryan Hall was explaining

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01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: to me more time. He's like, if I want to

1153
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: use my jiu jitsu in MMA, I have to make

1154
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: somebody do it. They're not in any way obligated. If

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01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: you go to pure jiu jitsu, they are obligated to

1156
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: use their jiu jitsu against yours. No one's obligated to

1157
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: do that MMA. You can use whatever else you want.

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01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: So with all of those broader questions, and you know,

1159
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: by the way, it takes a while to get good

1160
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: at grappling. It's for most I mean, even bj Penn

1161
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: got a black belt in four years. Okay, four fucking years, man,

1162
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, and that's about it. That's the fastest you'll

1163
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: ever see. Usually take somewhere between like seven to ten,

1164
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: if not longer than that. So granted she doesn't need

1165
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: a black belt to get there, but we're still you know,

1166
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: four years to purple is probably pretty fair. And even

1167
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: that is not going to immunize you from various challenges.

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01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: Now in the women's one pound division, how good can

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: they get down there? I don't know. Yeah, there's another

1170
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: broader question there. But look, please, if she ends up

1171
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: fighting a Hooters waitress, it's okay for her first first

1172
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: three fights. I'll give you a mulligan. After that, you

1173
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: got to start ramping it up a little bit. But

1174
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: just let her have that without the weight of the

1175
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medals all over her. Uh, with your with

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Speaker 1: current knowledge of vaccines, which is to say very little,

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01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: when do you see the UFC having events with fully

1178
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: packed audiences? That's a great question. On some level, I

1179
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: think masks and you know, other forms of audience control,

1180
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, or I should say, the amount of people

1181
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: in a particular place. There's still going to be some

1182
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: restrictions around that, I think for a good long while.

1183
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: So you know if okay, well, first of all, you

1184
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: can just go to New Zealand now, but okay, you're

1185
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 1: asking like, let's say, in the United States or Europe

1186
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: something like that, or Brazil. Maybe I don't know, man,

1187
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: that's really speculative. I mean, twenty twenty two seems like

1188
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: a safe, guess, but you know New York Times, if

1189
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: you go to the website now they have a thing

1190
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: where you can plug in your age and like your

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01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: health condition and like where you live, and it'll it'll

1192
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: it'll it'll rank you about like where you are in

1193
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: terms of like your medical necessity to get a vaccine.

1194
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: And I was something that like, I mean, there's what

1195
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million Americans and I was ranked

1196
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: like two hundred and eightieth, two hundred and eighty millionth

1197
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: like in the back of the fucking pack, you know.

1198
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: And I'm in my forties. So can you imagine like

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Speaker 1: a guy in the twenties, you know, they're not going

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01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: to give you a vaccine right up front, you're asking

1201
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: about the audience. Okay, fair enough, but I'm just saying,

1202
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's like how much will capacity?

1203
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: So I was I was listening to a podcast on

1204
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: this just to get like educated. They had an emergency

1205
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: approval I think for yesterday in the UK for the

1206
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: Pfiser version. I believe that's right of the Pfeiser vaccine,

1207
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: but that has to be kept at negative ninety four

1208
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: degrees I think fahrenheit. In any case, extremely cold temperatures

1209
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: that certain hospitals can do. But there are questions about, like,

1210
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: for example, how you distribute this to poorer countries that

1211
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: don't have necessarily the freezing infrastructure to handle this. How

1212
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: much can be produced on mass, how much is the

1213
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: population going to accept it. If anyone's ever been in

1214
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: the military, dude, I've had multiple I mean I can't

1215
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: even tell you all the things they shot me up with,

1216
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: multiple anthrax vaccines, I mean all kinds of trash. So

1217
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: I think that there is a rational skepticism to be

1218
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: had of like, given how quickly these went, where a

1219
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: lot of times they were not cheating the process, but

1220
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: they were expediting it, where even before there were approvals

1221
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: for next steps, they were in manufacturing stages, either the

1222
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: Maderno or the Pfizer of a vaccine. I think some

1223
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: healthy skepticism around this as possible. I'll just declare, I'll

1224
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: put my chips, you know, I'll put my cards on

1225
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: the table here. I intend to get it, and I

1226
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: tend to get it in my first basic chance. I

1227
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: tend to think that will be second, third, fourth quarter

1228
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: of the next year. I don't think I'm going to

1229
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: be in front of the line. But as manufacturing increases

1230
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: and you know everything else, I uh, when my chance

1231
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: comes up, I'm gonna jump on it because I don't

1232
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: know how y'all feel, but I'm fucking sick of this.

1233
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen my dad, I've missed birthdays. I haven't

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01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: seen any of my friends. You know, I'm stuck in

1235
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: the house. And it's you know, I'm luckier than most.

1236
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: My job hasn't been upended. I'm in good health, my

1237
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: family's in good health. You know, we're okay. I mean,

1238
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: my world's not ending. But I would I would like

1239
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: this to stop. And I think I think you would too,

1240
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: and I, you know, to the extime. You know. You

1241
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: know what I haven't done in fucking ten months. I

1242
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: haven't eaten indoors in a restaurant. You know. I would

1243
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: like to go fucking eat indoors. I would like to

1244
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: go to the movies. There's an article out today. I

1245
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: retweeted it. Do you guys see Warner Brothers is gonna

1246
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: put up the totality of their twenty twenty one movie selection.

1247
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: We're talking like The Next Matrix and Wonder Woman and

1248
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean everything. They're gonna put it in uh, HBO

1249
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: Max and theaters for like a month, but then HBO

1250
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: Max like movie theaters are in trouble. Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble,

1251
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: huge trouble. I would like to be able to go

1252
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: to contribute to my local theater to keep it in

1253
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: uh in business, And I can't right now. You know,

1254
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: I can't because they don't make money off ticket sales.

1255
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: They make money off food. Well, I'm not taking my

1256
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: mask off to go eat in a fucking movie theater.

1257
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. But if I can get a vaccine,

1258
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: and even that is not necessarily a cure all but

1259
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: as there becomes a broader ability of the community to

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Speaker 1: handle these kinds of burdens, and you know, testing shows

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Speaker 1: that transmission is way low and blah blah blah. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm ready. So I'll wait my turn for

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Speaker 1: the people who need it first, But when my turn

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Speaker 1: comes up, I'm jumping on it. I'll put a city

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Speaker 1: like that, okay, And you know, if I grow a

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Speaker 1: fucking dick out of my forehead, you can all laugh

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Speaker 1: at me for it. How about that? All right, let's

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Speaker 1: do this thumbs up in the video hit subscribe. Couple reminders.

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Speaker 1: MK is back tomorrow eleven am. We'll preview the weekend

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Speaker 1: slate of fights. Don't forget BC is on TV in

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Speaker 1: three hours nine pm East Coast time. Check him out

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Speaker 1: there for Ring City. He'll be doing some weird thing

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Speaker 1: with gloves on his hands, but please check him out.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and that's it. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for watching. I appreciate it. Until next time, Stay Frosty