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Speaker 1: Man All Star twenty twenty six MLB Philly.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, see why would what I appreciate you? Bro?

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Speaker 1: We got a good one to start. Man, someonhe I

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Speaker 1: grew up loving one of the more interesting stories in baseball,

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Speaker 1: kind of disregarded, went to Japan to resurrect his career,

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Speaker 1: and came back as one of the most feared sluggers

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Speaker 1: MLB has ever seen. Welcome to the show, Cesso Fielder.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. I hate it, baby,

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Speaker 3: I made it, you made it. I'm on top, I'm

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Speaker 3: on the smoke.

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Speaker 2: Let's get it.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you think of it as a kid,

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Speaker 4: the time that you're most locked into whatever sport, it

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Speaker 4: is that you're a fan of the guys that you

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Speaker 4: look at and the guys who are on TV that

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Speaker 4: are making the name, the posters that you see hanging

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Speaker 4: up in kids' rooms. For me, you gotta realize I

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Speaker 4: was born in eighty three, so you know, nineteen ninety

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Speaker 4: ninety one, ninety two, seven, eight, nine, ten years old.

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Speaker 4: This is when you know you're following the game, you're

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Speaker 4: seeing the posters up and you remember Cecil Field and

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Speaker 4: you remember that it was the coast to coast posters

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Speaker 4: that were up the slugging era of the early nineties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, big daddy. I think I.

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Speaker 4: Remember seeing this exact poster right here in a friend's room. So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you're talking about the early sluggers of the nineties, you

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Speaker 4: were right there amongst the top of them.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I tell you, I in my years

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Speaker 3: in Toronto, which was you know, in the middle eighties,

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Speaker 3: you know, we had some hell of a baseball players.

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Speaker 3: I mean my homeboys. I grew up with Jesse Barfield,

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Speaker 4: Jesse because I played with the son John Yeah.

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Speaker 3: George Bell, I mean Willie Upshaw. I mean I had soldiers,

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Speaker 3: you know. So they they raised me in the game

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Speaker 3: my best bet, I didn't know anything about Japan. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna just tell you straight up. I didn't know well

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Speaker 3: Cito Gaston who was my hitting instructor. And I said,

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Speaker 3: get out of here and go to Japan. And playing

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Speaker 3: at my age, it didn't happen. I was twenty four

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, I gotta go because my boy was banging,

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Speaker 3: and I went on Japan. And then I did my

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Speaker 3: tax free too, right, No, no, no, you had to

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Speaker 3: pay all you had to pay. But it was nice

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Speaker 2: Was the crazy part about it.

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Speaker 3: So the young fella was making a buck in a

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Speaker 3: quarter in Toronto in eighty five, age no age seven.

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Speaker 3: I made a buck in a quarter, went to Japan.

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Speaker 3: I made one point five from a buck in the quarter.

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Speaker 3: I ran my ass to Japan. The decision, look what

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Speaker 3: easy easy. I'm in my agent and the Japanese guy

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Speaker 3: would negotiating the contract in Chicago. I remember like it

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Speaker 3: We're gonna finish this shit right now. And everybody left

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Speaker 3: Tigers was in last place, lost over one hundred games

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Speaker 3: for me to come in there. Sparky told me when

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Speaker 3: last year, so you come here. You can do whatever

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Speaker 1: Now, question any similarities to mister baseball Tom Selleck as

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Speaker 1: far as just the energy and craziness of the crowd,

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Speaker 1: he said, hell, no, none of that shit.

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Speaker 3: I mean no, I mean, I was a wild bearer,

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Speaker 3: but you know I didn't care. You call me whatever

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Speaker 3: did it. I did Roy Firestone show at nighteteen ninety

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Speaker 3: of take this from Mr Uh from Jerry Maguire. When

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Speaker 3: And I told Roy, I said, Roy, I ain't gonna

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Speaker 3: When I go to Toronto, I beat. I had seventeen ho

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Speaker 3: like I ain't nothing. No, You're gonna respect that you're

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Speaker 3: gonna respect it because I I was a player. I

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Speaker 4: You have to you have to gamble on yourself and

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Speaker 4: Oh and as you see, you know the game, and

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you even how much you're following

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Speaker 4: from when you play to where you know the game

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Speaker 4: is right now. How much do you follow the game now?

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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts or how it was? What's the same,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the difference is, Man, we were soldiers. Man,

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Speaker 3: we went out to play. I mean we didn't take

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Speaker 3: that want to smell of dirt. Man, But what we're

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Speaker 3: doing here? He said, says, I gotta tell you this.

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Speaker 3: I love that old man. That's the only man I

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Speaker 3: say that man. That man was a good man. So

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Speaker 3: he told me that he never had his son in

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Speaker 3: If I if I don't give my kid the opportunity

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Speaker 3: gave me a pathway to and my other teammates now

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Speaker 3: You gotta smell that dirt.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: That dirt is a motherfucker. That dirt can get you somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Young.

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Speaker 3: Stand what I'm saying. So I always tell myself that,

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Speaker 3: you know, that was a turning point where Sparky kind

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So I skipped the Brave Row like that for a

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Speaker 3: It's a little rough skill. Let's let's change up a

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Speaker 3: And he did.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to Cali. I didn't know this

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Speaker 1: until I was doing my research, but it makes sense now.

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Speaker 1: I'll get the chance to talk to you. South Central

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Speaker 1: La show you're right, la, Eric Davis, Darryl Strawberry, Eddie Murray,

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Speaker 1: some guys around that area where you did you know them?

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Speaker 2: You're on different side of town.

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Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I lived on seventy seventy

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Speaker 3: little there used to be a little cleaners right there

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Speaker 3: So when my mom and dad got you know, my

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Speaker 3: I they moved out to Saint Gabor Valley, which was Lapointe,

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Speaker 3: But Eric lived on eighty fifth and Figure Roy and

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Speaker 3: my cousins lived on eighty third and Figure Row. So

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Speaker 3: we was in there. I mean, we was running and

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Speaker 3: he knew my cousins of course because they went to Fremont,

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Speaker 3: So you know, we we we've been running together for

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Speaker 3: I mean I always say, man, that might have been

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Speaker 3: do know that basketball was my first love.

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Speaker 1: I heard you a little bit about that game.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Matt, don't get me started on that. Folks

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Speaker 3: don't know. Look at yourself up stand, Matt. Let me

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Speaker 3: tell you, my boy. And this goes back to aau

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Speaker 3: back and you know when we were young, like twelve

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Speaker 3: them in the summer, right. So when I got to

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Speaker 3: high school, I went to No Gallas High School. So

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that ain't gonna work out because he's gonna

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Speaker 3: There, too much for it was too much. I mean

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Speaker 3: My whole game. You remember Tyron Knolls, he played at

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Speaker 3: There you go, okay, Holiday was the man, right. I

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Speaker 3: My Mount Sack? My Mount Sack coach who was there

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Speaker 2: Oh you gotta do.

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Speaker 3: All you gotta do is throw the ball up in there.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure this had to cross your mind at

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Speaker 4: go lucky. Moving forward, you go to the Blue Jays,

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Speaker 3: That you Freddy's always gonna be my dog at the time,

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Speaker 3: I was drafted by Kansas City and I hit twenty

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Speaker 3: at the All Star break and went to the big league.

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00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 3: So I was young. I was a young fucking the

435
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,719
Speaker 3: big leagues. I was like, got that and you know,

436
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,840
Speaker 3: listen here, I got my first check. I gotta tell

437
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 3: you this, boy, Oh that first check got damn forty

438
00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 3: four hundred dollars bread. I was ma man from being

439
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 3: in the minor leagues where you make it eight hundred dollars,

440
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 3: can't pay your rent because you had to have three

441
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 3: or four guys.

442
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 2: That crazy.

443
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 3: So I got to Toronto. Williamshaw was the best. I

444
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 3: love Willi Upshaw to this day. My roomie Fred McGriff

445
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 3: I mean we together today because we're doing you know

446
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 3: the other thing over there on the other side of

447
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 3: the stadium, and that's my roomy. When he got inducted

448
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame, I was there. I had

449
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 3: to be there.

450
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 2: That's my room. You know what I'm saying.

451
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 3: And still to this day, we still I mean like

452
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 3: we're still playing. That's my brother.

453
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 4: What was that clubhouse?

454
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 2: You got?

455
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 3: George Bell, you got he was a little different. He

456
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 3: was a little different. George was a little different. He

457
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 3: just talked a lot of ship all the time. Me

458
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 3: and him almost got into it one day. Yeah, I

459
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 3: ain't playing with him. I told him, you look at here, man,

460
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 3: I ain't the one.

461
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: I ain't the one.

462
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 4: But we play in the same room.

463
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of. It's calmed down.

464
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 3: We were very cordial now, me and George. But you know,

465
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 3: I had Lloyd Moseby, Jesse Barfield, I mean I had

466
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 3: I had David Steve, I had Jim Clancy, I had

467
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 3: Jimmy keyth Earnie with We had a great team in

468
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 3: eighty five. That was the first team out outside the

469
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 3: United States to win the American League championship. So we

470
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: had a great team, great team and uh twenty Fernande's

471
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: rest in peace again. We got we got a lot

472
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 3: of that going on right now.

473
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 4: And you're in a great city in Toronto.

474
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I me something. Let me say something.

475
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 3: When you when you're a young Feller Oh my god,

476
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 3: a minute, man, stop it, stop it. Oh my god.

477
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 3: I don't know how my wife kept married to me

478
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 3: all that years. She was she had to be special,

479
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 3: I mean, princess Mama. Oh I was terrible. Yeah, I

480
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 3: was talking.

481
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 4: About the environment in Toronto.

482
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 3: I was terrible. Man, I'm sorry, I was terrible.

483
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: Man.

484
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 4: It had to be somewhat of a culture shock, just

485
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 4: just to move. You've been all around the place because

486
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 4: you go through the minor leagues and you've seen places,

487
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: but Toronto just stands out.

488
00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

489
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 3: Well, man, I you know, I'm from the West Coast,

490
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: and some of them times they put us in I

491
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 3: couldn't believe they put us in them. Florence, South Carolina, Kinston,

492
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: North Carolina.

493
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm.

494
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 3: Like the arm pits of every state, you know, And

495
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: that's basically the truth, because every every one of those

496
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 3: stadiums are always in the hood, always in the hood. Knoxville,

497
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: Tennessee hood, I mean hood. You ever been to Greenwood

498
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 3: in Florida?

499
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: Tampa? Okay? You know what the same path?

500
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all take about you gotta be careful.

501
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 3: You better know somebody, to get to know somebody quickly. Yeah,

502
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 3: because it's the hood. I every ballparker. Man they called me,

503
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: they talked about my mama. I mean, man, these folks,

504
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: I mean one night we was in uh we was

505
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 3: in North Carolina. This one was in one city and

506
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: these folks, I mean, they talked about me so bad,

507
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: and they talked about my mama, and I want, I

508
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: want the old man. And you know, it was almost

509
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,239
Speaker 3: like I felt like Jackie Robinson, if I go up there,

510
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get in trouble. It ain't even gonna be them.

511
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: They gonna blame it on me. Right, My white teammates

512
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: went up in there. That's a good feeling, now, That's

513
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. That's why I knew I had

514
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: real teammates, because they defended me. Because these oh men,

515
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it was so bad. It's almost as bad

516
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: as going to the Boston and then them Sam Down

517
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: doesn't want to have a drink with you after they

518
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 3: and talk so bad about you. I ain't have no

519
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 3: drink with your ass.

520
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: Fuck.

521
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Boston was rough.

522
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: So we touched on the decision in eighty nine to

523
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: go to Japan. What is something you learned about yourself

524
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: and your game in Japan that prepared you to come

525
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: back and do what you did.

526
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: I just think, man, I took what Sedo gave me

527
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: while I was in Toronto, and I really, I really

528
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: got a chance to learn myself, whether you know, I

529
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 3: was gonna sit on an off speed pitch, whether I

530
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: was gonna sit on the fastball, to trust, you know,

531
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: trust the process, because when you're not playing all the time,

532
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: you don't have time. You gotta when you're coming up

533
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: to pinch hit or are you getting to play once

534
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: a week, it's hard, so you you ain't. I ain't

535
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: got time to be working on nothing. I gotta make

536
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: something happen. I gotta try to hit this scoundrel up

537
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: in the seats.

538
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: I gotta.

539
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: I gotta make something happen because I ain't getting that

540
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: many chances. So when I went to Japan, man, you know,

541
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 3: I started off slow. I was, they were, they were,

542
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 3: they were laughing and talking trash and spring training in Japan, right,

543
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: And then I went seven for seven and a double headed.

544
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: I was seven for so I was killing them. And

545
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: the big they brought this big Japanese boy, and I

546
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: can remember like it yesterday. They brought a big Japanese

547
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: boy and he hit me, and I told that motherfucker,

548
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: you ever do that again, I'm gonna kick your ass

549
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: and everybody else on your team. And I never got

550
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: hit again. The whole rest of the year, I never

551
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: got hit.

552
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: I love it.

553
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is this had to be before

554
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: they because now they apologize that they hit you.

555
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 3: No, they were apologizing then, but they wouldn't hit me

556
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 3: no more. He apart, he took his head all bounding shit.

557
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 3: I didn't go for that. I said, you hit me again? No, no,

558
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: because I you know y'all was getting me out. I

559
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: didn't throw my bat at you. Y'all wearing my ass

560
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: out when.

561
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: I first got here.

562
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: What happened y'all in the dug out, laughing and carrying on.

563
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: Now I'm starting to bang. Now you're gonna hit me. Okay,

564
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: you do that ship one more time, one more again,

565
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: as my daddy would say, do that ship one more again.

566
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tear this whole damn place up. And I

567
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 3: never got hit again.

568
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: So I ended up hitting thirty eight home runs that season.

569
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 3: There was in three hundred at bats.

570
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: Wow, what was what was the fan fare?

571
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: Like? How did oh Man cessit? The when who got

572
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: you my son? That's my name, Cecil. Okay, but we're

573
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 3: gonna Yeah. It was fans with that, he goes. Fans

574
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 3: were great, man, fans were great. I mean, you know,

575
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: you have your own, your own beat. So they played

576
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: the drums all game.

577
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: And they're jumping around the entire game, right and they.

578
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 3: Playing my little song I'm the Brown Bear. I mean

579
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: it was just it was good. It was Oh my god,

580
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: I mean Field, I had a great time, man, I

581
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: mean you know, people go, Mann, man, look at it.

582
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: I had a great time. Money and I make good

583
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: money for a young kid. Yeah, I made good money.

584
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 4: And when you saw the players over there, did you

585
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 4: did did you know the guys that would be able

586
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 4: to make the transition of going from Japan to the

587
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: States was there before came over? And now you have clearly.

588
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: Time fat face normal in Japan.

589
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 4: At the time. You know he gonna be able to Oh.

590
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: He gonna play.

591
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 2: Listen.

592
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 3: I told folks from the beginning, the Japanese are the

593
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: most dedicated folks to their fundamentals. They're gonna they gonna,

594
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: they gonna hit, They're gonna bunt, they gonna catch it,

595
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: They're gonna throw it.

596
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: They're gonna play good defense.

597
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: Now, when I was there, we didn't have a lot

598
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: of Japanese players that had that juice, you know, to

599
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: go out out of the ballpark. But they could hit,

600
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: they can catch it, they can throw it, and they

601
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: knew where to go with the baseball.

602
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: To me, that's baseball. Now.

603
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: Now you got these big boys, you know it's you

604
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: is the first guy I said that could have been

605
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: a picture and a hitter athlete, but we had uh Horror.

606
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: Horror was a big one.

607
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 3: Och I could leave. They were older though, right, But

608
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: the young generation that's coming now, Man, these boys done

609
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: got bigger, stronger, you know. I don't you know Frank.

610
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: Frank is a different vibe. He thinks something was going on,

611
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: and you think somebody's taking some kool aid. I don't know.

612
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: I ain't into that, but all I know is them

613
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: boys are coming, they playing, and they in it. Boy

614
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: in Chicago, you got yes, you got Dodgers, all these

615
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: boys bang, all these boys bank which and the pictures

616
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: that are coming over are really getting down.

617
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: So those just got.

618
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: What the American guys would struggle with in Japan.

619
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: The sinker him and and the guys that I was

620
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 3: facing was I told them from the beginning when we

621
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: went over there the first time on the All Star

622
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: Tour where we had you know, we had all the

623
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: best players here, go over there and play play against

624
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: the Japanese players. Ship, they tow our ass up because

625
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: we thought we was just gonna go in there and

626
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: roll them. I said, Man, these motherfuckering play now.

627
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: You know, And and you saw that for a couple

628
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: back to back some years ago in the World Baseball Class.

629
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: If you see that Japanese style of play, the Japanese

630
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: team coming over here winning a couple times in the

631
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: World Baseball Class, what are the fundamentals from Japanese style

632
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: baseball that you think American baseball needs to adopt.

633
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: Well, we lost it because we don't take in field

634
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: no more. Number one, we don't. We don't we don't work,

635
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: we don't work on our defensive game like they do.

636
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: I mean shit, I'd be at the ball party at

637
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: one o'clock and they be doing this ship they be

638
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: running around damn field. I told them, man, look here, man,

639
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: I can't do that shit. Now I'm gonna come and

640
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: stretch with y'all. But man, they stretch like they do

641
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: like they run halfway around the field, they stop in outfield,

642
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: they stretch, they run, They do that shit for like

643
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: forty five minutes to a hour. Man, I can't do

644
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: that for I'm be done. I ain't gonna be able

645
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: to play the night.

646
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah what you was?

647
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: So finally the bench coach who ran the team finally said, okay,

648
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: so you go out and you just get yourself ready

649
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: when you get done to go ahead and take it.

650
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: But the Japanese home my teammates had to do that ship.

651
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, no one of these boys tired at

652
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: the end of the season. They you know, the pictures

653
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: threw every day. So if you if you started tonight,

654
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: you're throwing them all and you're gonna throw every day

655
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: to your next start. So that's why I used to

656
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: beat on them. Later in the scene, I beat on them.

657
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 3: They didn't have nothing. They didn't have nothing. So uh

658
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: they Japanese players, I tell you, man, they dedicated. I'm

659
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: just gonna put it that way.

660
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: And it's it's something to be said about the culture

661
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: I think of players, because like you said, you were

662
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: ahead of the curb as far as going to Japan.

663
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: But later down the years, I could think of Adam Jones,

664
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: who was a great Major League Baseball player who went

665
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: over and played in Japan and loved every part of it,

666
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: Like I loved everything about every player that I know

667
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: who went to Japan gained something from the culture that

668
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: they didn't have before. What was the appreciation you gained

669
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: for the culture that that you didn't happen?

670
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: It was? It was.

671
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: It was a period in my life that kind of

672
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: changed everything for me, you know what I mean, just

673
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 3: seeing that, you know, going from the underdog to the

674
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: top dog. It was a good feeling. That was a

675
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: good feeling.

676
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: And then you and then you bring it back. You

677
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: come back to the States, back in the major leagues,

678
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 4: and everybody had to be looking at some point like,

679
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: WHOA what happened? I hit hit off the muscle. I

680
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 4: was ready when you came back. How many teams were interested?

681
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: I had Boston, I had Detroit. There was three teams, Boston, Detroit,

682
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: and I forget the third team, but Detroit.

683
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: I seen it.

684
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: Boston, I ain't the way I'm going to Boston, but

685
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: Detroit it was. It was it was an automatic good fit.

686
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: Number One, they lost a hundred games. Number two, Uh,

687
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: they needed a first back right and number three they

688
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: was gonna give me. I gave me two years, three million.

689
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: I had to come back and go play.

690
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: So they had to match similar to what you Yes,

691
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: they had to.

692
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: So you say, the best thing I had going for

693
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: myself is I don't know how my agent did it.

694
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: But all I had to do if I wanted to leave,

695
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: because I was under contract for two years in Japan,

696
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: all I had to do was give written notice that

697
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: I wanted to leave. What that don't happen? And then

698
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: you know the guy that signed me, he got put

699
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: on in the window seat. You know when you get

700
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: put in the window seat in Japan, it's a rap.

701
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, his ass sitting in the corner over there

702
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: looking out the window. How the hell you let him

703
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: get away like that? And you know Russell Sostrado was there.

704
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: I mean we had some players, man, we had some

705
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: Willie Up, Showy end Up coming over. I mean we

706
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: had some players. There are big Lance Parrish, not Lance

707
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: Larry Parrish who played with the Rangers.

708
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: He was there.

709
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: We had a good group of uh One Cromarty was

710
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: there with Tokyo and after that, Lloyd Moty my teammate.

711
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: After he left Detroit, he went to Tokyo.

712
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: Take me through that season, because that's the year right

713
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: right out the gate, come back from Japan, forty nine

714
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 4: home runs going into the last game of the season, Like,

715
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: what's going through your mind?

716
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: And that?

717
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: How much are you thinking about it? How much did

718
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: what did fifty mean to you while you were going

719
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 4: through it?

720
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you when I got when I

721
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: when I hit forty nine against Minnesota at home, my

722
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: mama with her crazy, so my mama flew in. They

723
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: didn't tell me my mama was coming, right. I hit

724
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: one home run.

725
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: It's so crazy.

726
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: I hit one home run, one home run in front

727
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: of my mama in my whole career or two. I

728
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: hit one in the All Star Game in a ball

729
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: hit a Grand Slam, And then she was going to

730
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: go to Germany to see her friends, and she I

731
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: didn't do it in Anaheim, I didn't. I was terrible

732
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: in ana High. And then she came up to Oakland.

733
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: I hit a home run in Oakland. Okay, So now

734
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: I hit my forty ninth. I got three weeks left.

735
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm oh, oh, oh, I got hold on. Now I

736
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: got this ship down I'm finished. I'm gonna make it happen,

737
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: you know. So Sparky he held a ship from me too.

738
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: Sparky tells me that to the game, your mom is coming,

739
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: and he knew I I that was like, oh shit,

740
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: mom is coming. You know, Mama needed to stay home

741
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: because let me do this and get it.

742
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Over with, right.

743
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: I went the whole home stand, probably got two hits.

744
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: And so now we end up going to New York

745
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: the last three games of the year. Man, first two games, nothing.

746
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: And nobody hit fifty in the American League since Mantle and Mayson.

747
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: You going to New York and you.

748
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: Know, nobody hit fifty in baseball since Foster, you know,

749
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: seventy seventh. So I'm like, everybody's on me. I mean

750
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: every day I'm doing press. Every day, even at home,

751
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: I'm doing press, and I'm like, hey, man, if it happens,

752
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: I'm just like you motherfuck you do need to leave

753
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: me alone. Let me try to make something happening. But

754
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: every day I had to talk to the press, I

755
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: had to talk to him. So finally, my boy Don Manly,

756
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: he said, man, forget about all this, man, just go

757
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: up there and just bang one. Let's get it over with.

758
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: And I think that helped me more than anything because

759
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: it relaxed me. Don't worry about he said, man, just

760
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: a matter of fact. He came up to me the

761
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: first time I walked, because I wasn't really getting a

762
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: lot of good pictures. But anyway, I walked and I

763
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: was at first base and he said, man, look here, man,

764
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: just get up in there and just bust this, my

765
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: fucking this, get it over with. So I said, doney, man,

766
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: He said, now just relax, go up the next time,

767
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: get your good picture and let it go. And the

768
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: next time I was up, I hit it up in

769
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 3: triple deck and that was fifty. And then I came

770
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: up again and off your shoulders and I hit one

771
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: of the way back in down back in the old stadium.

772
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: I hit it all out in the bullpen somewhere, and

773
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: I had fifty one. So I went one, thirty two

774
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: and fifty one, and so I lost the MVP to Ricky.

775
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: Rest in peace again, Ricky. I mean he had a

776
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: great year twenty five sixty eight, but you know he

777
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: had one hundred and some chainstone basin and then the

778
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 3: next year I had forty four hundred and thirty three

779
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: and lost to Ripkin. He had thirty four and one fourteen,

780
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: but he was on the last place team. I was

781
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: that one right there. I was really pissed because they

782
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: told me the year before that I was. I wasn't on,

783
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: you know, a contending team, and that's why Ricky won.

784
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: And I got to accept that, right But then when

785
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: Cal was on the last place team, I love Cal

786
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: to death, but you had thirty four and one fourteen. Shit.

787
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: I had forty four and one hundred and thirty three.

788
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: Me and Willie Mays at that point, ninety five and

789
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: two sixty five and back to back years, nobody but

790
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: me and Willie Mays and I won three straight RBI titles.

791
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: Right at the time. Nobody done that man.

792
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: Like Ruth and I'm I'm second twice.

793
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 4: So how did you handle the media and everything going

794
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: back to back snubs?

795
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 3: Michael art Well, I just said, you know what, it

796
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: don't even matter no more. You know what mattered more

797
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: to me, and I'm being real what mattered more to

798
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 3: me was my peers knew that I came to work.

799
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 3: My peers knew that every single day, no matter how

800
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: I felt, you better watch out because if you ain't

801
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: giving my boy something to hit up in front of me,

802
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you.

803
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: I might be.

804
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: I might be the worst player on our team on

805
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: certain days, and say were certain days I was, but

806
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: I was always gonna be in the line of for

807
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: tram Lou and Prime, and I was always gonna be

808
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: in that lineup because they know I'm in there.

809
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: Now.

810
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: You might done got me out the whole shit, but

811
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: only take one to bat for the shit to change.

812
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: So that's why I pride to myself no matter how man.

813
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: On one night I was, I was coming down the

814
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: stairs Aby House and gross Point and I had a

815
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 3: sodic nerve man right, And I came down the steps

816
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 3: and fell because my leg was number I didn't feel

817
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: it right. And I got Big Iren over there with

818
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: that damn Rubbert Mallet and she worked that shit out.

819
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: I played the next day. So what I'm saying is

820
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: you gotta find a way. And that's what to me

821
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: in the game right now, that is missing. Have them

822
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: soldiers ready to go. I'm coming no matter what. The

823
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: mo Vaughn's, the Cecil fielders, the Reggie Jackson, them boys

824
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: is coming. They coming every day. They got that dog

825
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: in them that Frank Thomas I'm playing. That's what we

826
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: miss him.

827
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 4: So when you think about your success to the biggest

828
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 4: attribute to your success, what did you would you say

829
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: it was some adjustment, something from Japan, or just the

830
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: opportunity to play well.

831
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: When I came back, it was already in the mix.

832
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: I was gonna, I was gonna get down. I knew

833
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: I was coming. I knew I was coming because I

834
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: figured it all out that Japan. Time just gave me

835
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: a chance to figure out who I was. What you

836
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: gotta know who you are?

837
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: Am I am? I?

838
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: Am? I a three hundred hitter? Am I a home

839
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: run hitter? Do I drive in run? What is my job?

840
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: And I figured out my job was to drive people home,

841
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 3: no matter if it's a base hit the right field,

842
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: no matter the three run homer, no matter's a double

843
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: I my my My job was to get them boys

844
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: across the play to bring him home.

845
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you one.

846
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: Story real quick that that old man Sparky told me.

847
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: We're in Detroit and it's late in the game and

848
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: ninth inning, and I had got two strikes on myself,

849
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: but we had a man on second base, So I

850
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: spread out, I can hit the ball to the right

851
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 3: and if they did that, I got to hit every day.

852
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: But anyway, I can hit the ball to the right

853
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: side anytime I wanted to. So I spread out, hit

854
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: the ball to the right side. Man moves over the

855
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: third fans are clapping. We got a chance to win.

856
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: Well.

857
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: Skip is in the dugout with his hat off, rubbing

858
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: that old white hair, and I'm like, what wrong with

859
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: this old lass? So we end up not scoring. I

860
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: get up. I get up, dude. I get up to

861
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: the well. End up winning the game. But he waiting

862
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: for me. Soon as I come in the clubuse he waiting?

863
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: He called me in the office. He say, where was that?

864
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: I said, Skip, I mean I had two strikes. We

865
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: had a man on second. I was trying to get

866
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: him over to somebody. Just hit a groundball, flyball, gett

867
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: him in. He looked at me, I don't ever want

868
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: to see you do that again. I said what he said,

869
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why. I don't want you to

870
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: do it again. I don't trust these other motherfuckers to

871
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: drive him in. He said, from here on out, you

872
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: get three swings, and I don't care what happens, but

873
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 3: you take every swing. It was a rap at that point.

874
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: I can go play now.

875
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: So your time and Detroit comes to an end. Then

876
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: at the end of July in ninety six. But before

877
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: we talk about the Yankees. What what stands out.

878
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: The most about your run with the Tigers?

879
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: Just the people I played with. Man, I just had

880
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: so many great friends. Tony Phillips again, rest in peace.

881
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 3: I was like, he was like my road dog.

882
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: He was so underrated though he could play any positions.

883
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: And that scoundrel, oh, man, he cuts me out. We're

884
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: in New York. Man, Like I said, I had one

885
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty ribies. I was already done for the

886
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: season the last couple of game, and he needed one

887
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: more run scored to have one hundred and thirty run score.

888
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: And I done drove this scoundrel in all year. I

889
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: ain't never left his ass out there. So I'm facing

890
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: Scott Sanderson, he throwing me these lobs, the breaking balls,

891
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 3: and I'm just up there, just I'm just having fun.

892
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: I ain't even paying attention. This little scoundrel cussed me

893
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: out in front of all them damn people at third base.

894
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: God damn it. Dad, let's go, and all of a sudden,

895
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: I look over there. This motherfucker's cussed me out at

896
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 3: third base.

897
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 5: So I drive him up again, and then he come

898
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 5: to me and bring me my glove and everything. He

899
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 5: said that a boy dad, that little scoundrel so Detroit

900
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 5: was just I mean, listen, man, I played with Lou Whitaker.

901
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 5: Who should be in the Hall of Fame, Tram Kirk Gibson,

902
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 5: Lance Parrish, I mean, Jack Morris.

903
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: Who who I would I would want Game seven in

904
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: the World Series for me. That'd be my picture. Dan Petrie.

905
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: I mean you can go on and on all the

906
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: guys that I've played with, and those friendships you never lose.

907
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: You know, I could see any of those guys, Mick,

908
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: Rob Deer, I mean I could see any of those

909
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: guys at any point, and we're gonna act like we

910
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: was together yesterday. You understand what I'm saying that, and

911
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: that is it is really like all my teams I

912
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: played on, you know, you know, and you know I

913
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: was fortunate. I played for great managers. Bobby Cox in Toronto, right,

914
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: Sparky Anderson Detroit, Joe Torre in New York. I mean,

915
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: come home, man, you can't get no better than that.

916
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 3: And most of those managers back in my period always

917
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: took to the veterans to handle things. You understand what

918
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So even when I got to Detroit, which

919
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: I was only there that half a season, you know,

920
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: skip like, hey man, what's that in? What's going on

921
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: in the clubhouse? You need to handle it. I'm like,

922
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: skip me. Strawberry Rains, Paul O'Neill, Bernie Williams, Dereck Jador

923
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: was a rookie, Charlie Hay, Tino Martinez, Mariano Duncan right

924
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: out the gate, David Kloon, Jimmy Key, Andy Petty, Mariano Rivera.

925
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: We played six innings. That was it.

926
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 3: If we play today, we win today. We played six innings,

927
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: the game's over because here come Mariano, here come Wedland.

928
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: Game over ninety five and three. If we were ahead

929
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: in the six, that's what all I got to do

930
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: is bang one. I I mean, I ain't gotta do

931
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: much because here comes straw right after me.

932
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: It was crazy.

933
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: So you had the kid Jeter was leading off fast

934
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 3: as something gun I seen at that point. He could

935
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: get down that first base line and he I don't

936
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: know how he got three hundred hits. I mean that

937
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: he can get inside of anything bad. I mean that,

938
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: I mean he can get hit right here and he

939
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: I mean.

940
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable.

941
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 3: But he had three thousand change. That was a bad boy.

942
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: Then we had either mariannod Duncan hit in second who

943
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: could flat out rake? And then you run into a

944
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: chainsaw because now you got Bernie Williams, you got either

945
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: me or tin O. Then you got Strawberry, then you

946
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: got Paul O'Neill. Then you got Wade Bogs wait Box

947
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 3: hit second something. It was ridiculous. It was ridiculous. I mean,

948
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 3: like I said, six innings, we need to win six.

949
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: I mean, what's the shift for you? Because you're going

950
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: from Detroit where you didn't you didn't go to the playoffs,

951
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: and you going to a team that every face.

952
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: It was a little nerve wracking at first because I'm like, god,

953
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: dang man, I'm on a team that I ain't got

954
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: I ain't got to shine every day. I don't have to.

955
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: I mean, that team was just I mean it was incredible.

956
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: Missus Seinburn And I tell people all the time, and

957
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: this is crazy because Bob Watson who was our general manager.

958
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: Rest in peace again. Here we go. Bob Watson's daddy.

959
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: When I lived on seventy six and Dinkers lived right

960
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: next door to me, Bob Watson gave me my first

961
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: baseball glove. It was a catchersmith, the old one, the

962
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: one that didn't close. You know, you got to catch

963
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: two hands with. And my dad used that glove to

964
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 3: catch me throwing bullpens a little league. Right twenty five

965
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: thirty years later, Bob Watson is my GM in New York.

966
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: And he came and got me.

967
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: So that's fire.

968
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: That's unbelievable. Now, I was sportswriters MVP of the World Series.

969
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I was getting it in.

970
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: Take us through that world So you got you're going

971
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: against the braves. We got everybody know, Glavin Maddox, Smokest.

972
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: What's the Scotar reports?

973
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: That didn't bother none of them. The only guy that

974
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: was gonna come in on me was Smokes. Everybody else

975
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: is gonna try to hit that outside corner. I wouldn't.

976
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: You had no chance to get that ball on the

977
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: outside corner. I'm gonna stand right on the plate and

978
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: we're gonna go to battle.

979
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: If you hit me, I'm a fuck you up.

980
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: That's listen, especially if you're doing it on purpose. I

981
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: learned that from Don Baylor. Though, man Don.

982
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: Baylor, what Don Bayels might hit and coach with the Angels,

983
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: that's my boy. And I remember when I went to

984
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: the Angels. I said, what's the what's the approach here?

985
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: He says, stand on top of the plate and pull everything,

986
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 4: pull everything right here down the left field line, trying

987
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 4: to take it do? I say, Groove? I say, people

988
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 4: trying to hit the ball all the way? He say,

989
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: fuck that, don't worry about that. Hit the bottle left field.

990
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: If he hit you, he hit you. If he hit

991
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: you a couple of times.

992
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: You go get him. That's right.

993
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 4: That was that's philosophy.

994
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: And he told me the same thing.

995
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: Me and Groove used to talk all the time. Matter

996
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: of fact, Groove and I used to talk when people

997
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: didn't know we was talking. I just wanted to understand,

998
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: why why do you stand so close to the plate.

999
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: And he just told me.

1000
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 3: If they missed, I got him, because now I got

1001
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: the whole plate covered up. I'm on top of the dish.

1002
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: I got They can't They ain't got nowhere to go.

1003
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: Only where they can go is they can hit me.

1004
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: And if you do it too many times, then I

1005
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: know he did it on purpose, you know. But I

1006
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: don't know if y'all ever seen Winfield and Nolan Ryan.

1007
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: Nolan Ryan used to hit Winny all the time. And

1008
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: finally Winnie went to get him and they had like

1009
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: God's climbing on Winnie trying to hold You can't hold Winnie.

1010
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: Oh Winnie threw a hey man with us. Oh my god,

1011
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: Winnie was unbelievable. He was a real He used to

1012
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: come out man and bat practice one hundred pund dumbells,

1013
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: crazy one hundred pound dumb.

1014
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: Belts to walk around the bitches.

1015
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he came out, he came out, He came out,

1016
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 3: and he came out the club out with two hundred

1017
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: pound dumb bells and was doing this ship. And they

1018
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: don't make him like they used to. Winfield was a beast, great.

1019
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: Athlete, the greatest, and that team at this time you

1020
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 4: got you got eleven years in the league, go from Detroit,

1021
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 4: you win the championship in New York? Like what if that?

1022
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 4: What did that ring mean for you? Personally?

1023
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: I don't know it just I mean, you just take

1024
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 3: it all the way back at that point, man, I mean,

1025
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: like damn. I mean, I was in the playoffs my

1026
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: first year in the big leagues and eighty five we

1027
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: played against We played against Kansas City, but that was

1028
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: the first year they moved it from best to five

1029
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: to best of seven, so we'd have won the series.

1030
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: We had three were three to one already and they

1031
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: came back and beat us three straight to go on

1032
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 3: to the World Series. And I said, my ship, I'm

1033
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: I'm in the big leagues, and fuck I made it

1034
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: to the playoffs my first year, so this is gonna

1035
00:46:59,520 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: happen a lot.

1036
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: Man.

1037
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 4: I did the same thing, and it.

1038
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: Took me, you know, then it took me eleven more

1039
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: years to get there, right, And it just take it

1040
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: all back, man, all the shit that you go through

1041
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: from you know, not getting the opportunity to play, playing

1042
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: in the minor leagues and you had to battle roy

1043
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: yourself to get the opportunity to play then because they

1044
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: had top picks and I was drafted in the fourth

1045
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: round of the secondary face they don't even have that

1046
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 3: damn draft no more.

1047
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: So.

1048
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: I was one of the last guys on the Tolen

1049
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 3: Pole then I go to Butte, Montana and get a chance.

1050
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 3: They throw me in there and I bumped twenty real quick,

1051
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 3: and now I'm somebody. And then now I get to

1052
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: a team that got so many great athletes like Toronto.

1053
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: We had so many great athletes. Our minor league system

1054
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: was second to none. We had a lot of brothers too.

1055
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: It was crazy, but anyway, we were doing it right.

1056
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: And then you look at the big league team at

1057
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: the time. You got Lloyd Motley, who was probably at

1058
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: that time were one of the best athletes in Major

1059
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: League Baseball. He could run, he was an athlete, He

1060
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: played hoops in high school, came out of high school

1061
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: top pick Jesse Barfield Bump forty, got a cannon two cannon.

1062
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 3: You got ball Bump forty in the same damn year.

1063
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: So I got great athletes that I'm playing with and

1064
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: competing against and trying to figure out where I fit in.

1065
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: And then here come me and my Homie McGriff At

1066
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: the same time. I got traded from the Royals to

1067
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays. He got traded from the Yankees to

1068
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays the same year. So we played together

1069
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: from eighty three on. We've been together for a long time,

1070
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: a long time, and it wasn't even a competition between

1071
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: me and him because we both knew at some point

1072
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna be in the big leagues. I don't know

1073
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: where you're gonna be. I don't know where I'm gonna be,

1074
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: but we're gonna go out here every day and put

1075
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: something on. It was funny story. He was telling it

1076
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: yesterday or the show that they were trying to figure

1077
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: it out between me and him, what we're gonna do

1078
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: with these two jackasses? He said, are we gonna Are

1079
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: we gonna play one in the outfield and one at

1080
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: first base? So they tried that, so they started putting

1081
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: me in Freddy and spring training in the outfield.

1082
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: Shit. That didn't work.

1083
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: That didn't work. So then they said, okay, we go

1084
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: DH one and we're gonna play one at first. We're

1085
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: gonna keep flip flopping. This is my leagues. You're gonna

1086
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: play first one day. He gonna play DH one day.

1087
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: So we're gonna And that worked because now we are

1088
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 3: both getting to swing the bat, we are both getting

1089
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: the day off. You know, one hundred and forty game

1090
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: season in South Carolina. That shit is hot humans, So

1091
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: you know, it gave us a breather, and you know,

1092
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: we both got down.

1093
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, I.

1094
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: Was MVPN and A ball both years and the last

1095
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: year before I went to the big League. So we

1096
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: were getting down, me and Freddy, and then Freddy left

1097
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: me in Double A and he went to Triple A.

1098
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: And then I ended up going to the Big League

1099
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: from Double A and then Freddy came from Triple A.

1100
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: So I mean, hey, man, we never had a competition ever.

1101
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: It was like we both gonna get there. And I

1102
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: told him, either you're gonna get into the Hall of Fame.

1103
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get in. But if we don't both go

1104
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 3: get in, if one of us get in, that means

1105
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: we both got in. And that's the way we look

1106
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: at that.

1107
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: We talked to a majority of our us about the

1108
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: decline of the black baseball player. You spoke to how

1109
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: many athletes were coming through the system and who you

1110
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: came up with. What is your point of view and

1111
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: your take on why we don't see that as much

1112
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: as how we grew up watching.

1113
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of things, man, I think a

1114
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: couple of things coming to play as we as we

1115
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: look at that right now, I think the investment and

1116
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: in the communities of color is not like the investment

1117
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: in Latin America. You understand what I'm saying. They got

1118
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: They got damn every everybody. I mean, they going to

1119
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: school there, they're eating there, they're getting the nutrition there,

1120
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 3: they're lifting waists there, they're doing everything at them academies.

1121
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: Where they doing that at here? Nowhere they buio these

1122
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: little little spots they got in Compton and Houston and.

1123
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: Around the area.

1124
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: But their main what they're doing over there, they're not

1125
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: pouring in. No, they ain't giving the money and the

1126
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: cost ye travel, you gotta travel, Come on, man, that

1127
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: that that don't even make sense. When we were playing Lileague,

1128
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: I think my mama might have paid five dollars. And

1129
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you a nothing. I'm gonna tell you

1130
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: this right now. Ain't no way my mama would have

1131
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: paid for me to play.

1132
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: Right now.

1133
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: My mama would have looked at me and said, boy,

1134
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: you better get your ass out of my kitchen. So

1135
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna be hoping, I'm I'm trying to I'm trying

1136
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: to feed your ass. And yeah, I had to play

1137
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: something else. There's no way I could have played baseball

1138
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 3: on this level and the way I play AAU ball

1139
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: is because they kind of granted me in.

1140
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: You know, my mama wasn't paying.

1141
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: Now this ship right here, I mean when I was

1142
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: doing it, when I had my group I had from

1143
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: seven to eighteen. I had a lot of a lot

1144
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 3: of teams. But it was only twelve hundred dollars. That's

1145
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: all I charged my kids twelve hundreds and I had

1146
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: to pay for a lot of them because a lot

1147
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: at that time they couldn't pay.

1148
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: For it for it.

1149
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: So I mean, now they told me to figure how

1150
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: much they paying. Now it's like, oh my god, and shit,

1151
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: I might not even I got it. And mad I

1152
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: got one ten years old, looked just like Prince. It's humble.

1153
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I got me one. It looks just

1154
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: like Prince. Left handed hit her banger right. He played

1155
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: his first year this year. I'm telling you he's gonna

1156
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: be something special. I don't know where he came from,

1157
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: but he in my house. Hey, I gotta tell y'all.

1158
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: Though you know I was talking to you about it.

1159
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: I went through a lot health wise. You know, I

1160
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: had triple bypass, had kidney transplant, and uh, I tell

1161
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: folks all the time, you know my wife, she's a

1162
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 3: she's a Hungarian woman from a third world country, and

1163
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: that girl saved my life. And uh, you know, I

1164
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 3: always tell folks, I got to give her praise because

1165
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 3: you know, without her, I wouldn't be here. She she

1166
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: fought me tooth and nail. When I was I was

1167
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 3: ready to give up, I said I'm done, and she

1168
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 3: fought me tooth and nail to give myself back together.

1169
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 3: And Uh, it was a long haul. I mean I

1170
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: went through the whole gamut of coughing with open heart

1171
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 3: surgery to uh dialysis for three years.

1172
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: Man.

1173
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 3: I was on Dallas for three year, Matt and never

1174
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 3: missed a treatment. And I treated like a game. I

1175
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 3: gotta be there at five am in the morning Monday,

1176
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: winds in Friday, three four hours on the machine. And

1177
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: that day that you take Dallas's on that Monday, Wednesday Friday,

1178
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: you spend. It's over. There's nothing you can do. You

1179
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: go home and go get in the bed. The next

1180
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 3: day you start feeling halfway decent, Damn, you gotta go

1181
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: right back. So I had to treat it like a

1182
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: game because I wouldn't have made it. I just feel

1183
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: that I would have gave up. I mean, you know,

1184
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: I'm an amputee, I'm a blood clotter. I've had surgeries

1185
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: on my legs for blood clouds.

1186
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: You know.

1187
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: Dion and I kind of went, you know, his last

1188
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 3: episode with the bladders. That haven't had that, thank God.

1189
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 3: But with the blood clots, I've been through that too,

1190
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: And it's serious, man. I mean, you wake up one

1191
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: morning and your footage cold. You know, you gotta run

1192
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 3: to the hospital and your doctor tell you you ain't

1193
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 3: going home.

1194
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: We got it.

1195
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 3: We got a break the clock and then we're gonna

1196
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: have surgery. And he going in there with this roto

1197
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: ruter and cleaning out my arteries. And you know there's

1198
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: been some time, man, I tell you, man, I swear

1199
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: to God. Man, you know I ain't I'm a big boy.

1200
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: I can take a lot of pain. But some of

1201
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: the ship that I had done, man make a grown

1202
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 3: man cry. And uh and that woman, man, I mean

1203
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: that Dashka Field. There ain't nothing but the truth. I'm

1204
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: gonna tell you that she knows she probably gonna cry.

1205
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: She she she very emotional about me, and she every

1206
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: every time I go out of town because I do

1207
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: usually don't go out of town. Man, I'm telling I'm

1208
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: a homebody at this point. You know, she told me

1209
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: she took a straight dog off the street and made

1210
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: him my house mouse.

1211
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: And she know that that's hard to do. Yeah.

1212
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: She she brought me on in, man, she told.

1213
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: Me, come on in, sign come on in.

1214
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: And she saved my life doing I tell her all

1215
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: the time. Man, you got the most appreciation with me

1216
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: than anybody, because I've had some beautiful women married to

1217
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: and they didn't they wasn't ready, they didn't they didn't

1218
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: treat me like you treat me. And that and that

1219
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 3: I think for me, that made the difference. It made

1220
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: the difference for me to wait to say, okay, mo,

1221
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: time for you to take your ass home. Because this

1222
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: woman is for real. She gonna make sure that you

1223
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: all right. And you know, we're the ones that is

1224
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: always given, We always given. And I finally got somebody

1225
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: that gave something to me, you know what I mean.

1226
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 3: And it was just she's a special woman. She's a

1227
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: special woman. Lucky to have something like that, especially with

1228
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: the all shit I went through that that was a

1229
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 3: rough time.

1230
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: Man.

1231
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: I was gonna quite. I told my kids. I told her,

1232
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: matter of fact. God damn, I told her, just just

1233
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: take care of my kids, That's all I asked. And

1234
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 3: she was like cussing me out. You ain't you better?

1235
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: Because I used to always tell her when we go

1236
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: through some shit, it's game time. I got and now

1237
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 3: I'm telling her that I would quit, and she said,

1238
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: you better get your ass ready, it's game time. And

1239
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: I had to shake it off and get myself prepared

1240
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: because you know, I mean seven eight leg surgeries, I

1241
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: mean losing you know, half my foot. I mean, it's

1242
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: just it's crazy. It's just it got to the point, man,

1243
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 3: I was like, it's too much.

1244
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: How much weight?

1245
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: Did you end up losing sixty pounds? I had to

1246
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 3: I said, if I'm gonna live, yeah, I gotta. I

1247
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: gotta get it together. I waited in the other day

1248
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: two fifteen. I went from two fifteen relation to seventy five.

1249
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: You look to seen.

1250
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: I was like, oh yeah, man, I had to get

1251
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: that shit off me.

1252
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you look good?

1253
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: Have I had to steroid era fifty one stood as

1254
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: the number, and then in ninety six you just get

1255
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: Brady Anderson his fifty which was crazy and then Sousa

1256
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: Maguire's show comes about just sitting here watching these guys

1257
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: kind of do what they do, knowing how you went

1258
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: about it and did your work. What is the thought

1259
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: process you're going through.

1260
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: I really didn't care. But the thing they they're the

1261
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: ones that have to deal with themselves. I don't huh.

1262
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you did what you did, You're gonna have

1263
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 3: to deal with yourself. And now you know they're taking

1264
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 3: on that responsibility because all of them, you know, have

1265
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 3: come to the realization that they know what they did.

1266
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 3: I can't I can't help them, and I can't hurt

1267
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 3: them because I wasn't in it right. So I did

1268
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: what I did, and I just tell him, hey, look

1269
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: at her man. You know you gotta take responsibility for

1270
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 3: what you did. It's not me or it's not anybody

1271
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: else that can take responsibility. But I think you know

1272
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: one thing, you know, I always say about Jose, which

1273
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: I played with Jose since rookie ball, and Jose always

1274
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: said what he did, he wouldn't hide nothing.

1275
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: And uh, you know when he came out with.

1276
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: His book and told told everybody what was going on,

1277
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: everybody was mad. But again, how you gonna get mad.

1278
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: You know what you was doing? True, you know what

1279
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 3: you're doing. So again, matter of fact, Mark McGuire went

1280
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: to school that Damien right down the street from me.

1281
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: I been knowing Mark his high school. So I seen

1282
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: Mark McGuire. You's skinny right when he got to Saint

1283
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: Louis like, goddamn, that's your gantor I mean, come on, man,

1284
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: I mean, what are we doing here, folks? And and

1285
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna keep it real. And you know,

1286
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: Roger Merris is a man that put in work to

1287
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: get what he got to and then we just blow

1288
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: by Roger like he ain't did nothing. Those are the

1289
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: things that I don't know, man, Certain things in the

1290
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: game of baseball, Hank Aaron, Babe, Ruth, Lou Garritt. Those

1291
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: things are supposed to be enshrined in our game. They

1292
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: never supposed to be just demolished, and we're demolished.

1293
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 4: How much is that play into your why like your

1294
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 4: wife of not going that route, cause I mean, you

1295
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 4: had to be around it, you had to be exposed

1296
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 4: to it at some point.

1297
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 3: Well, the first time I got exposed to it when

1298
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: I seen them little scoundterls hitting that shit up there

1299
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: where I was hitting it. I'm like, God, damn, what

1300
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: they doing right? And that's when you know. I had

1301
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: one of my teammates and I ain't gonna mess his

1302
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: name came to me one time and he was crying.

1303
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: I took my damn glass. I said, man, what's wrong

1304
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: with you? Man? Grown ass?

1305
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: Man?

1306
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you? He said, Man, I went home

1307
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: this winter and I took steroids. Man, and it's messing

1308
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: with me. M you know, it's messing with my mentor's

1309
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: messing with me. I'm angry. I go home, I'm drinking

1310
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: like a fish. It just and that's when I knew

1311
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 3: baseball was in trouble because I knew a lot of

1312
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: guys and I talked to him about who he got

1313
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: involved with to do what he was doing. So I said, Okay,

1314
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: we got a problem here, and you can't me personally.

1315
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: I was at the point of my career where I'm

1316
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: doing what I do. I don't need that shit, so

1317
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: we're just gonna keep it moving, right. But when I

1318
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 3: see my teammate going through what he was going through,

1319
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: I was like, there's a problem. And he wanted to

1320
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: go in and talk to skip Sparky, and I kind

1321
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: of like, oh, wait a minute, let's think about this

1322
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: before you do that. Because Skip was the coolest man

1323
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: in the world. I had some teammates that were owned

1324
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 3: some stuff and Skip never told and I had to

1325
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: be the one to go tell Skip that they were

1326
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 3: sick and they couldn't make it to the game, knowing

1327
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 3: that there was some shit, right, And I did that

1328
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: because I love him, and Skip looked at me like

1329
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: I was fucking crazy because he knew, but that was me.

1330
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: I was that Yeah, I mean I had to number one.

1331
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 3: My man was already on two strikes, right, so I

1332
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: had to protect him because I didn't want so he

1333
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 3: didn't get to the ballpark for about a week, and

1334
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: I still had to stay with that same story.

1335
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: Skippy.

1336
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 3: He got the fluid, he throwing up from both ends.

1337
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: He's sick, he got fever. He don't want to come

1338
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: around the guys getting nobody sick, and he's still looking

1339
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 3: at me at you like I'm fucking crazy. But at

1340
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I was able to get

1341
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: us through it and my other team man, I just

1342
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't look at that time. It wasn't illegal

1343
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: or whatever. They were saying. I didn't know if it

1344
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: was legal or not, but it wasn't something that we

1345
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: banned out of the game, right, So I just told him, look, man,

1346
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 3: let's try to go to a therapist, get your head right,

1347
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 3: and it's just let's make it through this year. Once

1348
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 3: we make it through this year, you know, stop a

1349
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 3: ship and get yourself back together and here we go again.

1350
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: So you know, I man, I just think, man that

1351
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 3: you know who you're cheating, and you know if you

1352
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: ain't cheating, you gotta you gotta deal with yourself.

1353
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: Man.

1354
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 3: I didn't have to cheat. I just didn't have to.

1355
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: My son didn't have to cheat. You didn't have to,

1356
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: big ass, strong one, that's probably the strongest dude I

1357
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: seen in a long time. And I tell you, I

1358
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 3: still slapped the ship out of him. He mine, he

1359
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 3: mine forever. He ain't never, he ain't never gonna be

1360
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 3: too big. Me slapt shit out.

1361
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 4: Of How early did you know he was gonna be

1362
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:25,959
Speaker 4: From the jump.

1363
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 3: That boy was walking around in Toronto with a diaper,

1364
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 3: swinging a little woofotball bat that he just like this scandal.

1365
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 3: I got at home right now, same thing. I told him,

1366
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna brunk this one at home. He gonna bust

1367
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: his mama's windows. It's coming. He's swinging, fucking he got

1368
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 3: my bats. He ten years old, he got thirty four,

1369
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 3: thirty five.

1370
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: He in the house swinging.

1371
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 3: I tell you're gonna break your mama's sliding glass door

1372
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: and then she gonna whoop your ass and then I'm

1373
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 3: gonna have to patch you up. I'm just telling you.

1374
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: He don't.

1375
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 3: He don't. He don't believe that being greasy. I'm telling

1376
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 3: you this cat is crazy. He's a baseball junkie at

1377
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 3: at ten years old, same thing, Prince baseball junkie.

1378
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we've heard the stories of you know,

1379
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: twelve year old twelve year old Prince hitting down the

1380
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: stadium and excuse me, out out of the park in

1381
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: batting practice. I coached my kids. I just said, I

1382
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: just came back from Las Vegas.

1383
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: Coaching my kids.

1384
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: What kind of joy do you get seeing your son,

1385
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: first of all, early succeed and kind of just some

1386
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but just the longevity and what he

1387
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: was able to accomplish during his career.

1388
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 3: The year that he really I mean that I really

1389
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 3: felt that he was a bad boy. His Mam Mistakes

1390
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 3: was pregnant with my daughter, Cessling, and he went on

1391
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: every road trip with me and he hit at every ballpark.

1392
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: What age is this, He's about eight nine years old,

1393
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: and so he went on every trip. I mean from

1394
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: West Coast. I was flying. I wasn't flying with the

1395
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 3: team because Sparky didn't have family on team playing. I

1396
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: didn't care. Me and him, Me and him everywhere everywhere,

1397
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 3: and he was just raking and man Larry Hern and

1398
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 3: hitting coach. He take Prince out. And then when Tito

1399
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: came and Buddy Bell's group came, shit, they really let

1400
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 3: him go. That's when he started going up everybody park

1401
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: went to, he went up top. It wasn't like he

1402
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 3: just in Detroit. Everywhere we went, he go up top.

1403
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 3: And at that point, man at twelve thirteen years old, man,

1404
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: I mean that shit ain't normal. And he always had

1405
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: a good eye. He could run for a big boy too.

1406
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 3: He had a couple inside the park home runs. So

1407
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 3: he was and like I said, Ricky, if you look

1408
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 3: at Ricky Williams and Princefielder, they look exactly alike.

1409
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 4: The legs thick the bottom and you say, y'all family.

1410
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, every day, all day, me and Ricky. Ricky was

1411
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 3: a little baby at my grandma house back in the day.

1412
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: He used to run around snotty nose, crying and carrying on.

1413
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, here he is played, you know,

1414
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 3: getting drafted baseball. Like damn, look at Ricky.

1415
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1416
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my my, my, my daddy and his grandma

1417
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: brother sister.

1418
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: Only father and son duter both hit fifty home runs

1419
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: and both finished with three hundred and nineteen.

1420
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 3: Now, man, that's crazy. I don't know if thats gonna happen.

1421
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: Let's left or let's David Ortiz's son do something. He

1422
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 3: I hear he's a pretty good player, but I don't know.

1423
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 3: I don't the fifty. The fifty is gonna be the one.

1424
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 3: Now he gonna have to go something to catch his

1425
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 3: daddy in home runs. But you know, all these boys,

1426
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 3: even David Ortiz, I mean he was when he was

1427
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: when Minnesota he got released. You know, he got released

1428
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 3: and went to Boston and made made some of it.

1429
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 3: So you know, let me tell you that Mitchell Report

1430
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 3: kind of got everybody come jacked up. I remember one time,

1431
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 3: and this is just keeping it real. My boy Bagwell.

1432
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 3: I love me some Jeff Bagwell. But I had a kid,

1433
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: Kayleb's crab who was going to spring training with San

1434
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 3: Diego and he ended up making the team. So for

1435
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 3: him making the team because he worked out with me.

1436
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 3: So a friend and I flew out to San Diego

1437
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: to watch his opening day and there was this guy

1438
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: out on the outfield and he started running towards me

1439
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 3: and he came to say hello. I didn't even know

1440
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: who the hell it was at first, and then when

1441
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: he got close to me, it was back. He was

1442
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: so skinny, his uniform was bagging. What the hell. There's

1443
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that were like that. Pudge same

1444
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: way in Detroit when he went to Detroit. Man, I

1445
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: didn't know who he was. I now, but the Mitchell

1446
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 3: Report put some folks on blasts, and I think everybody

1447
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: kind of changed up at that point and tried to

1448
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,919
Speaker 3: get this self back in order.

1449
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: But everybody did.

1450
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: Your relationship with Prince and your family hads, it's up

1451
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 1: and down in your older years. What would be one

1452
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: message you would tell yourself that you didn't know at

1453
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: the time.

1454
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 3: I think right now, as I'm sitting there, listen, I

1455
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 3: tell folks, I was time they ask me about the relationship.

1456
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 3: I pray for my son every day. I love the

1457
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: kid to death, always gonna love it. But as he's

1458
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 3: understanding going through what he's going through now with one

1459
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,479
Speaker 3: of his sons, you gotta break that curse. You gotta

1460
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: figure it out. You gotta be able to say, hey man,

1461
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, come on, let's get together. Listen, Hey, you

1462
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 3: know I almost wasn't here. Then what you're gonna do

1463
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 3: if something happened, I mean, we ain't gonna have an

1464
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 3: opportunity to fix it. So I say all the time,

1465
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 3: I can't be concerned with what happened twenty five years ago.

1466
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 3: It's now. I'm happy. I love my life, I love

1467
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 3: where I'm at, and I want him to get there.

1468
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 3: He's not there, he's not happy. He's gonna get happy

1469
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 3: at some point. But my son and I, I tell

1470
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: it all the time, we had such a great relationship.

1471
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: It's a damn shame that we don't have that same relationship.

1472
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: It's a shame.

1473
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 3: And the reason why it's a shame is because I say,

1474
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 3: when I left home and me and his mother were

1475
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 3: going through what we were going through, she kind of

1476
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: gave him an opportunity to be the man of the house,

1477
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 3: in which I think was and kind of put him

1478
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: in the middle. You can't do that all the time.

1479
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: My attorney said, don't get your kids involved, don't get

1480
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 3: your kids invove, don't get you give me. Well, I

1481
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: was taking a beating and she was just laying it

1482
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: on him. You know, your daddy did this, your dad,

1483
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: And I think that kind of buckle thing to where

1484
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 3: he thought he had to take care of his mama,

1485
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 3: which I understand because I did the same thing with

1486
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 3: my father. At least I got a chance to tell

1487
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 3: my father, hey, man, you know that's grown folk business.

1488
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have been in the middle of that, you know.

1489
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 3: And I just think my son, like I said, I

1490
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 3: love my son to death, man, but the respect game

1491
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: is just so important to me. I'm a respect guy,

1492
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 3: even when my daddy was acting crazy, even because my

1493
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 3: daddy was a rolling stone. Oh that man was a

1494
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 3: rolling stone. I met my brother when I was forty

1495
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 3: years old. He was a rolling stone. But again, that's

1496
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 3: my daddy and I had to give him the respect

1497
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 3: that he deserved because he brought me in this world right,

1498
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: and a lot of times. I think in black families, man,

1499
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 3: for some reason, when shit hits the fam between mama

1500
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 3: and daddy, we just can't keep our kids separate. And

1501
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 3: that happens in so many families. You look around now

1502
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: and how many fathers and sons got beef or ain't

1503
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 3: getting along or something.

1504
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 2: It happens all the time.

1505
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 3: I just don't understand it because right now I'm living

1506
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: my best life. I swore to God, I'm having so

1507
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 3: much damn fun just being at home, looking at my

1508
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 3: my I got seven grandkids. I can't be worried about

1509
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 3: little crazy shit. I'm trying to live. And I made

1510
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 3: myself live because I could have been up out of here.

1511
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 3: I made myself live and I had that backing to

1512
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 3: make me live. But man, I'm not nowhere sorrowy at nobody.

1513
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 3: If you sorrow at me, I'm sorry. But I'm living

1514
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 3: my best life.

1515
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 4: And it ain't nothing like the just the just the

1516
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 4: power of conversation where everybody, everybody got their own things

1517
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 4: that go on, but the power conversation, the power of

1518
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 4: you know, you got to squashing things and let it go,

1519
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 4: making something happen, let it go.

1520
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 3: What what what is the problem if you really think

1521
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 3: about it.

1522
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 2: What is it holding on?

1523
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: Because holding on to the past and the grudges is

1524
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: a heavy It's heavy. And I had assimilates just you

1525
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: briefly talking about you. I mean I met my brother

1526
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: forty two there you go, you know what I mean.

1527
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: And me and my dad didn't get along until my

1528
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: mom died. It was almost like my mom passing opened

1529
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: up the doors for me and my dad to have,

1530
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, a fatherless some relationship at twenty seven, you

1531
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So to me, it was never

1532
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: too late to kind of mend that bridge. But you know,

1533
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: we're praying that.

1534
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 3: I look at it, man, I love God. I mean,

1535
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 3: he's mine, he's mine.

1536
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 2: I did that.

1537
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 4: You ain't understanding, you know, Matt, just to be fair,

1538
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 4: like just to you know, because you know, it's always

1539
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 4: two sides there and like you know, and it takes

1540
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 4: to the tango and it's alute man street. So I

1541
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 4: just want to make sure we're.

1542
01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: Ye know, we're being fair.

1543
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 3: No, every you know, it's all fair. It's all good man.

1544
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 3: Like I said, I love the kid to death. I

1545
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,759
Speaker 3: mean what he was at my mother's agies birthday party.

1546
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 3: We was there kicking it together. So at the end

1547
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 3: of the day, he's got a lot going on in

1548
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 3: his life.

1549
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: Right.

1550
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 3: I kind of got my life together now, but he's

1551
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 3: going through it on his end.

1552
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you.

1553
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 3: Gotta break the courage. Man. You got a beautiful young

1554
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 3: son that's a stud. Haven is a stud. And the

1555
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 3: communication level is not there. And I was like, man,

1556
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 3: we gotta get over this. Something gotta change. And it's

1557
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 3: the mom and daddy thing, you know. It's just I

1558
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 3: don't know what it is about the African American family,

1559
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: but they can't keep their kids separated from a grown

1560
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 3: folk business. Grown folk business need to be grown folk business.

1561
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 3: Kids don't need to be in that. And that's happened

1562
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 3: so many times, so many times because us as young men,

1563
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 3: we see our mother cry it's a rap. I'm going

1564
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 3: on my mama's well now that I'm a grown ass

1565
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 3: man ship watch y'all know.

1566
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 2: Okay, it takes two yeah, more power you and your son.

1567
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: Oh he can't, he can't. He can't fuck with you, man.

1568
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 3: He told me one time, mat Dad, you see the

1569
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 3: ball out hit in Colorado? That was a bos said man,

1570
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: I least stadiums, man, you hit a bomb.

1571
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 2: What's your furthest shot. I mean, was it in the

1572
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: game or in a batting practice.

1573
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 3: It was in Milwaukee. He was out of the stadium. I'm

1574
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: the only player ever to hit it out of Milwaukee

1575
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 3: County Stadium. Hit it in the parking lot.

1576
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 4: Not the one out of Tiger Stadium, parking lot off

1577
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 4: of Dave Stewart.

1578
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: Well, I hit that one good, but the one well,

1579
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: the one I hit off play second in Milwaukee. I

1580
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 3: smoked him.

1581
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 2: I hit it all.

1582
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was five they said five twenty, but I

1583
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 3: don't know how they hit it. I hit it in

1584
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 3: some man's truck. He took it home.

1585
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

1586
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hit it in the parking lot.

1587
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: He broke my window, but I got the ball.

1588
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got it.

1589
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us know.

1590
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: Favorite ballpark to play in Detroit, worst ballpark to play

1591
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: in Oakland?

1592
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 4: All right, bench, Claren Brall, what teammates are you taking Withie?

1593
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 3: You had a lot of them, Rob Deer, three of them,

1594
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 3: Mickey Tellton and Tony Phillips, TP taking chie that little

1595
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 3: reason to fight anybody, I tell you TP real quick

1596
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 3: with Erickson was in Minnesota and he knocked TP down

1597
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: the night before. Yeah, so the next morning I come

1598
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: in the clubhouse. He said, Dad, I'm going to get him.

1599
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 3: I said, you want to get who said, I'm gonna

1600
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 3: get that motherfucker. He knocked me down. You know he's

1601
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 3: spitting all over the damn place. I'm gonna get that motherfucker.

1602
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 3: He's talking of that, I said, tom Man. So we

1603
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 3: taking bad practice. They come out for BP. He go

1604
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 3: in the middle of they circle and toe up with

1605
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 3: the dude. I'm like, we got a damn brawl.

1606
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: Going on from the game.

1607
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 3: Yes, Tony Phillips was unbelievable. He gonna he ain't scared

1608
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 3: nobody that mentality. Yeah, I ain't scared nobody. All right,

1609
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: let's go.

1610
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: Hardest thrower you ever faced.

1611
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 3: I probably say me facing one guy. Okay, I'm gonna

1612
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,839
Speaker 3: give you a couple. I'm gonna give you Roger Clemens

1613
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 3: and Nola Ryan and I used to tell Sparky every

1614
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 3: day I was gonna get Roger Clems. I ain't got

1615
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 3: him yet, but let me tell you somebody yet.

1616
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 5: And I want to face him again because you saw

1617
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,480
Speaker 5: he just threw it.

1618
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 4: That happen.

1619
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 3: Listen, I got him. He used to wear my ass out.

1620
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 3: But I tell him, I tell him Att all the time. Okay,

1621
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 3: I gonna wear me out, But the rest of your

1622
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 3: motherfucker's gonna pay for this ship. I tell them, Boston

1623
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 3: Red Sox, I.

1624
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,480
Speaker 1: Mean the way you ran this most glaving and uh.

1625
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 3: I just you know I didn't. I didn't really give

1626
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 3: a ship. I gotta work. I love you to death,

1627
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 3: but I gotta work. And that was the only guy.

1628
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 3: Roger Clemens was the only guy that never gave in.

1629
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 2: Matt.

1630
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 3: I used to get I used to get these guys

1631
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 3: in such holes. They had to give me in. They

1632
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 3: had to come on with it. And he would never

1633
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 3: do it. If I was sitting too old, I'm looking

1634
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 3: for a fastball, he threw me a forkball. If I'm

1635
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 3: sitting three to one, he'd come slider. He never gave in,

1636
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 3: so he but but to think about him, Matt, he

1637
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 3: can throw everything for a strike, right, And then you

1638
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 3: face no to Ryan, this mother out there grunting throwing

1639
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 3: nine million, And then I tell you one more, got Jr.

1640
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 3: I was a spring training who Richard, Oh my god, Richard, this.

1641
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 4: Old school dude. The picture recipes and look and look

1642
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 4: ahead it and look at it and kissing me.

1643
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 3: Their mound was like the Dodgers mound and he already

1644
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 3: six eight. Oh my god, I was an eighteen year

1645
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 3: old kid in spring trainer and I ain't supposed to

1646
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 3: be facing Jr. And this big old suckerd looking down

1647
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: here doing this right here, and he thought me three,

1648
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 3: he wasted no time. Three boom boom boom, get your

1649
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 3: ass out of here. Yes, And I was so scared.

1650
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 3: I ain't never be scared. I mean, you know, I'm

1651
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 3: looking at these people that I'm facing on TV when

1652
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 3: I'm a kid, I'm I'm I'm just out of high school.

1653
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at j R.

1654
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 3: Nolan because you know, no one was pitching Anaheim when

1655
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: I was a kid, and he was doing one hundred,

1656
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, damn, I'm facing these guys.

1657
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 4: Hey, blessing dream coming. I was blessing all those guys'

1658
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 4: smartest picture.

1659
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: Oh Man, Roger, I'm gonna have to get Roger. You

1660
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: know why I get Rochester respect. I'm gonna tell you why.

1661
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 3: When in ninety four we had a we were in

1662
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 3: Arizona and we we had a meeting with the owners,

1663
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 3: and uh, we had some we had some tussles, but

1664
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 3: Lennydister came there with his lawyer and uh read this

1665
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 3: letter in front of all the players with the owners there.

1666
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 3: He read the letter to the players that blah blah

1667
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 3: blah were losing money, and I he reached the letter,

1668
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 3: and I got to give Roger Clemens the most respect

1669
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 3: in the world because I couldn't stand him. Couldn't stand Roger.

1670
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 3: And the reason I couldn't stand him, I couldn't get

1671
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 3: a fucking hit good. But I saw good. But Roger

1672
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 3: grabbed a fucking letter from Lenary Dykson and said, now

1673
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 3: you tell me how you really feel. What Now, Now

1674
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 3: it's on because now the players went like this.

1675
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: We became a.

1676
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 3: Union at that point because we had a lot of

1677
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 3: guys chirping about the money, that this we're losing money

1678
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 3: while we on And then the owners trucked around and

1679
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 3: tried to use the scabs in spring training and it

1680
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 3: was a rap. We got what we wanted and that's

1681
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 3: why they making the money they making right now today.

1682
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: Nastiest single pitch you ever saw from who.

1683
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 3: I gotta go with the same guy that damn Roger Clemins,

1684
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 3: and I had nightmares about that. Damn park ball. I

1685
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 3: was having fucking nightmares.

1686
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: Sparks.

1687
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 3: You say I'm gonna get your day off there, I said, no, you,

1688
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna get his ass today. It ain't happened yet.

1689
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 3: That's something just wore my ass out, he he and he.

1690
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 4: Used to say it all we gotta look up the

1691
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 4: numbers and you verse Roger.

1692
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 3: Oh, he wore my ass out. But he said it

1693
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: that I was scared of that motherfucker. But I never

1694
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 3: was scared of you. And he never give in. I

1695
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 3: ain't never gonna give in to him because I can't.

1696
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 3: I faced the guy. The same thing Bob Gibson told me.

1697
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 3: He said, I used to knock down Willie mats all

1698
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 3: the time every game because I wasn't gonna let Willie

1699
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 3: beat me. I was gonna face the next guy. Same

1700
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: thing with Rogers. He never gave in.

1701
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 4: I was over there to cut got the numbers two

1702
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,879
Speaker 4: for fifty, two for fifty.

1703
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, was that old for fifty?

1704
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 3: Is that old?

1705
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 2: Five? No? No?

1706
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 3: Is that is that point five zero? That's bad?

1707
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 2: He said.

1708
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 3: I told you I was having nightmares off that motherfucker.

1709
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: Nightmare every time. I said that about two singles. Yeah,

1710
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 3: two singles, yeah, yeah, how many twenty?

1711
01:17:59,120 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1712
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 3: I used to wear my ass out. He throw that

1713
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 3: motherfucker in my eyes. Man, I'm gonna hit that motherfucker.

1714
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 3: Ain't hit it yet. He used to wear my ass out.

1715
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,480
Speaker 3: But I tell you what, the rest of his fucking teammates,

1716
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 3: they should be pissed off at him, because I will

1717
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 3: wear that ass out. I'm gonna take my beating from

1718
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 3: Roger Clinton. But the rest of you get Yeah, the

1719
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 3: rest of y'all gonna get it.

1720
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 2: That's funny ship. That's up.

1721
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 4: Best baseball city, food.

1722
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 3: Baseball city. I go to Toronto, Man, Toronto, you got

1723
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 3: this melting pot. You can get anything you want on

1724
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 3: and off the field. Watch out now, I've told you

1725
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 3: I changed baby baby dog off the field and made

1726
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 3: him a mouse, house house mouse.

1727
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: That's right, good job. One guest you would like to

1728
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: see on all the smoke dugout.

1729
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna tell you what. That man Max is

1730
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 3: a motherfucker. I love that man. I watched that every

1731
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 3: time he's on. He's crazy as hell. Uh. But the

1732
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 3: guy I probably would want you have been the hurt.

1733
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 3: I think her would be a good one because yeah,

1734
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 3: he was one of them young young soldiers that came

1735
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 3: into the game. You know, after I was getting down

1736
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 3: and how big as he is? He said, six six

1737
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 3: seven about three hundred, No, he played, he played two sixty.

1738
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 3: He's a Monstrossory right now. He's monstrouss. And you know,

1739
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 3: as you get older, your body start to tell you

1740
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 3: that you might have needed to sit your ass down

1741
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 3: a couple of days because he doesne have back surgery

1742
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 3: and this and that. Man, and we all go through it. Man,

1743
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 3: every morning I wake up, I gotta shake this motherfucker off.

1744
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it ain't going away. Man. It

1745
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 3: just ship hurts every day. I mean your fingers, I

1746
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 3: mean nothing straight. I mean, you know, in best of

1747
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 3: y'all basketball, I mean y'all.

1748
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1749
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 3: I mean, as we get older, man, we just gotta

1750
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 3: we just gotta we gotta make it, man, just gotta

1751
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 3: make it keep moving.

1752
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 2: For our babies. Yeah. Well see, man, we appreciate your time. Man.

1753
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 2: I had a great time. This is crazy.

1754
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 3: I got a chance to get some ship off my chest. Yeah,

1755
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 3: you know, I good about myself now I can go

1756
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 3: talk ship to Frank.

1757
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 2: There you go, man, that so Phiel, that's a wrap back.

1758
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 2: Thank you very much thanks guys,