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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 1: at Let's Stadium. For us, it's the put the hay

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Speaker 1: Are we ready to go?

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Speaker 8: I mean we are.

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Speaker 1: We We've answered, yeah, sure, we're part of the team.

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Speaker 1: We've answered. We've answered Deuce's roundtable questions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that's putting the hay in the bars?

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Speaker 8: Do your first first day?

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Speaker 1: Oh you were first?

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Speaker 5: Generally I was in a meeting.

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Speaker 1: I thought i'd be.

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Speaker 9: No, I'm pretty sure. I'm always last and sometimes have

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Speaker 8: By Deuce to know you are today, Evan, let's go.

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Speaker 9: I've been better.

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Speaker 8: I feel like I turn over newly. I had to

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Speaker 8: about it.

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Speaker 1: I need your roundtable answers.

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Speaker 8: Did you not do your homework?

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Speaker 9: In my high school? My performance review just like takes

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Speaker 8: A talk about your round tables. Okay, we're gonna need

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Speaker 8: you to do those rounds.

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Speaker 5: I need to talk to Faith too about the expert picks,

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Speaker 8: I write, I'll forget what you gotta do. I stay

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Speaker 8: tuned for that, smart folks.

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Speaker 1: Did anyone struggle with their answers today? Struggle if anyone

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Speaker 1: doesn't know what I'm talking about. Mike every week sends

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Speaker 1: they get posted to Patriots dot com having to do

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Speaker 8: I did a fun one too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but did anyone struggle, like with anyone like, I

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Speaker 5: Well, not really. That will be a very logical answer,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you'll probably get to a point where we're kind

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Speaker 1: Everybody needs a little kick in the pants.

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Speaker 10: We had multiple choice last week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see, But I think it would be rather

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Speaker 8: But you know, get some like the very Thesaurus questions, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: All right? So what are we talking about today?

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Speaker 8: All right? So we got Jalen Mills tweeting out unhappy

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Speaker 9: Right, they asked Lawrence, Yeah, John Jones too. I on

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Speaker 8: Point yeah, like the fourth or fifth safety at this point.

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Speaker 1: Okay, not great?

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Speaker 9: Not great?

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Speaker 8: What else we got?

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Speaker 9: I was listening to Paul's shows yesterday featuring Paul Yeah and.

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Speaker 9: I thought what you said about how we're all trying

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Speaker 1: Let's try to. If there's hope, where does it come from?

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Speaker 1: And to me, it comes from maybe that offensive line

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Speaker 8: I just wonder if a quarterback can reset within the game,

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Speaker 8: He's been looking at the rush, he doesn't really trust

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Speaker 5: I had the comment last week if I were in

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Speaker 8: Don't let him start to think about getting comfortable.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was the second series that he threw

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Speaker 5: So I think it's hard when you're in a mental

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Speaker 1: Early, you have to run the ball early and and

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Speaker 1: stick with it until will you simply can't.

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Speaker 5: I would, I would. That would be my way to

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Speaker 5: try to get Mac Jones comfortable is to try to.

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Speaker 8: Focus on the run.

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Speaker 1: And here Lineman always say, I love it when our

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Speaker 5: Most games so far, their game plan has been to

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Speaker 5: Now I'm not telling you every single time, but they

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Speaker 9: Been able to This Raiders run defense is not very good.

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Speaker 9: It's like a weakness in their team.

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Speaker 5: Despite with Bill Belichick said, yeah.

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Speaker 9: They can run the ball against these guys if they're

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Speaker 9: their offensive line allows them to and that sets up

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Speaker 9: play action. And I think one thing that I expect

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Speaker 9: them to do more this week is max protect play action.

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Speaker 9: He just keep the house in there, keep seven guys,

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Speaker 9: keep both tight ends in the back, you know, try

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Speaker 9: if it's just two routes down the field, at least

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Speaker 9: he's clean and can make some throws. He made that

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Speaker 9: don't think that that's like you can't do that all

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Speaker 9: the time, Like that's not offense, Like you can't just

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Speaker 9: But I think it's one way to go about it.

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Speaker 9: But you ask for like a glimmer of hope. And

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Speaker 9: I think that one thing I've been thinking about is

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Speaker 9: that the defense has only forced two takeaways in five games,

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Speaker 9: and I think typically speaking a the Bill Belichick defense

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Speaker 9: always forces turnovers, and without Judon and Christian Gonzales, you

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Speaker 1: Okay, an offense, I mean on the Patriots defense, I

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Speaker 1: To the Raiders what teams do to us pack the box,

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Speaker 10: You know, that's one thing really anticipate. I didn't really anticipate,

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Speaker 10: He can get it out quick. So I just it

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Speaker 1: The problem with that is, you know, if they throw

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he only played like forty percent of the snaps

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Speaker 9: on Derek Carr none. I mean, twenty four percent pressure

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I we talked about the

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Speaker 8: I Mean, I think we someonus thought that Time Oncoming

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Speaker 5: I have a dumb question with the third down back thing,

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 8: Maybe keeping guys in more to protect too. It's taken out,

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Speaker 8: Kind of prefer not what they have specifically, but like,

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Speaker 8: They certainly were effective with James White, but you know,

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Speaker 9: Years ago was listening to the same conversation. Yeah, oh,

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Speaker 5: But we want to have a better how it worked

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Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, now there's got to be a balance. But

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but I don't know what they're telling them in

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Speaker 9: But the thing that I consistently have seen from them

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Speaker 9: let's get the back on the linebacker and let's pick

441
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Speaker 9: up five yards, and they just don't have that.

442
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Speaker 5: And I was just thinking that, like, it is funny

443
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 5: because it does seem like on third and three they're

444
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Speaker 5: looking downfield. On third and ten, that they never throw

445
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 5: it to the sticks. It's always short, right right, No

446
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 5: one expected, but I you know, I just was kind

447
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 5: of thinking of out of that first series again with

448
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 5: the second and two. It's downfield, downfield, and how many

449
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 5: times have we seen the yips, you know, even fourth

450
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 5: and ten, you know they're short of the sticks.

451
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and you're like like that third and two play

452
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Speaker 9: last week in the on the opening drive, like second

453
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Speaker 9: and two. We've talked, We talked about this on Tuesday.

454
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Speaker 9: I think you want to take a shot on second

455
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 9: and two. That makes total sense. You had an eight

456
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Speaker 9: yard run on first down. Play action, take a shot.

457
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Speaker 1: Loved it.

458
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Speaker 9: Third and two that used to just be like, all right,

459
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 9: let's just James White's just gonna run in the flat

460
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 9: and the linebacker is going to be too slow and

461
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,239
Speaker 9: we're going to pick up three yards and we're going

462
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Speaker 9: to move the chain. And now that's just not an

463
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Speaker 9: option for them. And they tried to hit you know,

464
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 9: the route was concept did have Hermandre running a little

465
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 9: angle out of the backfield, but it just took too long,

466
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 9: like he just didn't take you know, Mac just didn't

467
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 9: have time to wait it out and ends up throwing

468
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 9: that pass and complete to Hunter Henry. So I don't

469
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 9: know why is thy Montgomery here, Like why is he

470
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 9: on the mean kicks?

471
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Speaker 1: Really jacked?

472
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Speaker 8: He looks good in the locker room, that's all. The

473
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 8: guy is ripped.

474
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 5: With other men.

475
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Speaker 3: Like, I just want he did get shape.

476
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Speaker 1: I just wonder, like if the blueprint is just so

477
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Speaker 1: apparent for the Patriots at this point, where if it's third,

478
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: third and whatever, and you've got you know, Remondre back

479
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: there or Zeke and he's lined up, you know, we're

480
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: gonna send pressure from that direction at max so he

481
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he can get ball to them. Yeah,

482
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, and easy fix for the defense. Yeah, you know.

483
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: I just wonder, you know, like if there's certain keys

484
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: that opposing defenses have now that just work against the Patriots.

485
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Speaker 8: They got to break it this weekend. You've got to

486
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Speaker 8: figure out a way to try to take something to

487
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 8: the other team, because it just doesn't feel like they

488
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 8: haven't been able against this defense.

489
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Speaker 5: They should. They should. I'm not telling you they should

490
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Speaker 5: go out and get forty, but they should have more success.

491
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Speaker 9: I've always just been a fan.

492
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Speaker 1: I said that.

493
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Speaker 9: I've always just been a fan of if they're going

494
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Speaker 9: to send a blitz. I've always been of the school

495
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Speaker 9: thought that I would rather beat the blitz by throwing

496
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Speaker 9: to the running back instead of having him try to

497
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Speaker 9: pick up the blitz. Like obviously depends on the situation,

498
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 9: but like you know, picking up the blitz and taking

499
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Speaker 9: a guy out of the pass route and then having

500
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Speaker 9: to like find something else down the field versus just

501
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 9: all right, they're blitzing the slot off the left side,

502
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Speaker 9: let's just leak Remandre into the flat and he's just

503
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Speaker 9: gonna throw it right over the rights.

504
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Speaker 1: But and for a typical quarterback, that the play. But

505
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Speaker 1: maybe the word on Mac is out that what's he's

506
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: not gonna be accurate with that He's gonna fudge it up. Yeah,

507
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: he's not even you know, it's worth taking gets risk.

508
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Speaker 9: If he's gonna fudge that up, then, like I mean,

509
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 9: that's like as simple as a guess we got to

510
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 9: make a movie.

511
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there was a play in Dallas where

512
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: he had I forget who it was born or whatever,

513
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: and he just misfired it into the ground, you know,

514
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: like because his head is like rattling.

515
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Speaker 8: Could we maybe use this to piggyback? I thought I

516
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Speaker 8: thought it was interesting. I mean, Doug and Callahan today,

517
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 8: everybody read that one. They had like a big long

518
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 8: He might have come out a little bit late.

519
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Speaker 5: I was looking for it in the clips and I

520
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 5: didn't see it.

521
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 8: I can't.

522
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 5: I can't read that.

523
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Speaker 8: It was pretty good. I mean, you know, nothing we

524
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Speaker 8: haven't heard. But I just what I've kind of taken

525
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Speaker 8: away from last day and Karen wrote it too, is

526
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Speaker 8: and I don't know if I agree with this. Do

527
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Speaker 8: you think this is Max's last chance? Like it like

528
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 8: people are kind of building this up. It's like this

529
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Speaker 8: is it for Mac Jones, like if you need this game,

530
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 8: this game, yeah, I mean, I mean that was kind

531
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Speaker 8: of how Karen wrote it. It was kind of how

532
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Speaker 8: those guys wrote it, even though they continue to say

533
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 8: they don't really have someone that they're willing to go to.

534
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 8: I just it just feels extreme to me. I mean,

535
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 8: and I you know, I have no illusions about what

536
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 8: Mac has done. But it also just sets up a

537
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 8: really interesting kind of thing.

538
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: If if if there are turnovers in this game that

539
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: are Matt's fault, I can see that because you can't

540
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: preach week in and week out, you can't turn the

541
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Speaker 1: ball over. You can't give the other team points and

542
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: then not do anything about it. When there's one guy who's,

543
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: whether it's his fault or not, there's one guy who's,

544
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, doing it every week. You can't just leave

545
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: him in there everywhere.

546
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Speaker 5: Well what if it's not turnovers, it's just the same

547
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 5: but without the turnover.

548
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Speaker 1: If it's not turnovers, then I give him a little

549
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: bit more slack.

550
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't. I got to. I think you got to

551
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 5: make a move. I can't believe they didn't make a

552
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 5: move last week, and I think Bill wanted to. I

553
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 5: think that was the whole idea behind changing Monday and Tuesday,

554
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 5: was to sit down with everybody and figure out what

555
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Speaker 5: can we do? And then they looked around into Alex's point,

556
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 5: they said, well what can we do? You know, well, yeah,

557
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 5: I was thinking more either Zappi or a Greer. And

558
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 5: I wonder if they don't really feel like Greer's been

559
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 5: here long enough to be a legit option and Zappy.

560
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 5: We all know how they feel about Zappi. They cut

561
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 5: them so they don't have any faith in Zappi. Clearly, Well,

562
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 5: you don't cut a guy that you have belief in,

563
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 5: So maybe they. I think they came here on Monday.

564
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 5: I honestly do. I think Bill came here on Monday

565
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 5: with the intention of Max not starting this week, and

566
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Speaker 5: then they all talked to it and they said what

567
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 5: Alex said, like, Okay, that's great, but I don't know

568
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 5: who is starting as well.

569
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Speaker 9: Just stick with Mac the part of that piece. And

570
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Speaker 9: I know this is just going to probably be me

571
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Speaker 9: that that was the most disturbing, had nothing to do

572
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Speaker 9: with what's currently going on.

573
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Speaker 5: They had a.

574
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Speaker 9: Line in there that said that the Patriots front office

575
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Speaker 9: doesn't use analytics to scout.

576
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Speaker 1: Oh that's bull I know that for a fact.

577
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Speaker 9: What kind of analytics are they using?

578
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: They're using all of it. I'm telling you.

579
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 5: That was something.

580
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that for a fact.

581
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 5: Freddie was actually intimately involved in it.

582
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Speaker 9: Interesting, So they said that's they said something along the lines.

583
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 9: I don't I don't have the exact quote, but they

584
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 9: said something along the lines that, like, their personnel decisions

585
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 9: are not analytically driven.

586
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Speaker 1: Well, let's put it this way. I know they're different.

587
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: I know they have people doing it. Whether or not

588
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: Bill is using another question. So I don't know that,

589
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: but I know they have people doing all the analytics

590
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Speaker 1: that all the other teams are doing.

591
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Speaker 9: I know that, right, So the reason why I bring

592
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Speaker 9: it up, And I know that a lot of people

593
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 9: are going to hear this and they'll be like, I'll

594
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 9: get your spreadsheet out of football Evan like YadA, YadA, YadA.

595
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 5: That would just be me.

596
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Speaker 9: I'm telling you that the teams that are winning in

597
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 9: the league right now are all analytically driven. I mean,

598
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 9: I asked Philadelphia.

599
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: Before last game. I don't mentioned his name. I asked,

600
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: do you know this guy on our step? You said, yeah,

601
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: he's doing it?

602
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 5: So so is it?

603
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 9: Maybe it's that because it's the line in the story

604
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 9: made sense given what we know that Bill's an old

605
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 9: school guy, right and telling him that the spreadsheet is

606
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 9: saying that, you know, Taekwon Thorton isn't the right pick,

607
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 9: and George Pickens is is probably telling Bill, like you know,

608
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 9: to go at himself, right like that.

609
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: That's I mean, these things come from somewhere. So maybe

610
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: there's someone that maybe there's a disgruntled person on the

611
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: staff saying he's not listening to us. We're producing all

612
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: this data and he's not taking it into consideration.

613
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I don't know. I haven't say, like on

614
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Speaker 9: a game plane.

615
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: I still believe that Bill is not as entrenched as

616
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: people think. I think we've seen over the years he's

617
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: adapted to different things, and I think he's always open

618
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: to good ideas. I still believe that.

619
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I just think from a game plan perspective, like

620
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 9: if you know, I love the NNGS stuff, like I'll

621
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 9: look at like you know, I brought up like the

622
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 9: Inbreaking Rats with Jimmy Garoppolo, like those splits like that,

623
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 9: that makes it very clear to me, like this is

624
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 9: what he's good at. That's what he's not gonna If

625
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 9: you want to just tell me that Bill Belichick and

626
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 9: watch the film and tell you that, then that's fine.

627
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 9: Like I I believe that, Like I believe that he

628
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 9: doesn't need a NERD to tell him that Jimmy Garoppol

629
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 9: and I know nothing and I could tell you right

630
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 9: like I don't need I understand that Bill probably doesn't

631
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 9: need a NERD to tell him that Jimmy Garoppolo likes

632
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 9: throng slants, right.

633
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: But see there's a difference in with those next gen

634
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: stats when you're talking about in cuts verse out outside

635
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: the numbers, those are just facts. Those are facts that

636
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: the ng N stuff that our NGS stuff that you

637
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: know is a little bit more grays when they extrapolate

638
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: and they start doing you know, expectations over whatever. Yeah,

639
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, that's more subjective I think. And it's based

640
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: on data, I know. But that's the stuff that I

641
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: think a lot of coaches like I don't know about that, right.

642
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 9: So that stuff, if you want to coach it your way,

643
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 9: that's fine. But when it comes to scouting and it

644
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 9: comes to player evaluation. The teams that are on the

645
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 9: cutting edge with the analytics stuff are Buffalo, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Miami,

646
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 9: San Francisco. What do they all have in common? They're winning, right,

647
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 9: So I'm just telling you that if the front office

648
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 9: and look, there's I'm a film guy. There's so much

649
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 9: room for film, right, But it's because they're evaluating the

650
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 9: players better. And there's always going to be a place

651
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 9: in the game for eye test that will always exist.

652
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 9: You got to watch the film, and you got to

653
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 9: watch the film and tell you what the film tells you.

654
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 9: But these other teams are using this data to supplement

655
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 9: their film study, their traditional scouting, and those are the

656
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 9: teams that are having success, and those are the teams

657
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 9: that are drafting well, and those are the teams that

658
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Speaker 9: are winning. And at some point you have to look

659
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Speaker 9: at that and say, well, if we're not doing it

660
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Speaker 9: on that level, you know, Philadelphia Howie Roseman, completely analytically

661
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Speaker 9: driven general manager, and look at what the Eagles have

662
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Speaker 9: put together. So at some point you have to like

663
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Speaker 9: look at that and say, like, that bothered me a lot.

664
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Speaker 9: If that, if they're not like if they're kind of

665
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Speaker 9: shoes shooing the nerds upstairs or downstairs or whatever you

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Speaker 9: want to call it, Like that's a problem, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Hurt Yeah, And I'll name a name. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you one person in the organization who does appreciate all

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Speaker 1: this stuff is Jonathan Kraft. I can tell you that,

670
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Speaker 1: like he's into it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. And I don't know, and I don't pretend to

672
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Speaker 5: know the inner workings of how all these decisions are made,

673
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 5: but I kind of side with Fred a little bit

674
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Speaker 5: on Like, to me, there's a difference between boring, like

675
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 5: you know, the data, like like the example that Evan

676
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: uses about Garoppolo in his tendencies, like that to me

677
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: is more factual.

678
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: That's clear cut, right.

679
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 5: So if you're ignoring that and you're putting a game

680
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 5: plan together that doesn't take that into consideration, that's just

681
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 5: bad coaching.

682
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Speaker 9: Whereas the you know, like they're not talking about like

683
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 9: expected points at it, right, that's not what I'm talking about.

684
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 5: I know, I know you're not talking about that. But

685
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Speaker 5: when you start talking about some of these other things

686
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Speaker 5: that I think some of the old school coaches sort

687
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 5: of pooh pooh. It's like, did you guys catch that

688
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 5: chart that some guy tried to put together about sacks avoided?

689
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Speaker 5: And there are so many variables that go into a

690
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Speaker 5: play where a quarterback is sacked that cannot possibly be

691
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Speaker 5: put into consideration for that. Like there were some of

692
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 5: those sacks that Daniel Jones took in the Monday night

693
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 5: game against Seattle two weeks ago, where as soon as

694
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 5: he took the snap, a guy was on him, and

695
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: you automatically say, well, there's no chance unless and I

696
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: saw Tom Brady do this for twenty years, You're supposed

697
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 5: to know that that guy is gonna come unblocked and

698
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 5: not let that guy sack you do, you know what

699
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Yeah, So these are the kinds of things

700
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Speaker 5: that I think take on a life of their own.

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Speaker 5: And this is not anti analytics or pro analytics. This

702
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 5: is just there's something that good coaches have to understand

703
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Speaker 5: why things happen.

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Speaker 10: Games don't happen in a vacuum, right.

705
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Speaker 9: Yeah, or anti I don't think that they're looking at

706
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 9: that type of stuff because it's it's a fred and

707
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 9: your point, it's it's subjective, right, Like it's it's subjective. Well,

708
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 9: I think the biggest thing that that teams that are

709
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 9: having a great success in the draft are looking at

710
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Speaker 9: are the player tracking data from college. So like, for example,

711
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 9: instead of judging a player on his forty yard dash time,

712
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Speaker 9: we're gonna judge him on in game speed. How fast

713
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Speaker 9: does he run in pads on a football field with

714
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Speaker 9: and without the football?

715
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Speaker 1: To me, that makes more sense, right, So.

716
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Speaker 9: They have that technology now to do that. So I'm

717
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 9: not saying that this is necessarily true. But Taekwon Thornton

718
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Speaker 9: ran a fourty eight. But what happens if taekwon forty

719
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Speaker 9: Thornton's forty eight doesn't actually translate to Sundays Like it's

720
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Speaker 9: he's not actually as fast in a game as he

721
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Speaker 9: is on the track and that is the type of

722
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Speaker 9: stuff that you know, like a team like you know,

723
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Speaker 9: I keep on bringing up Philadelphia. Howie Roseman doesn't even

724
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Speaker 9: go to the combine anymore because he doesn't give it

725
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Speaker 9: rats right, Like he just looks. He just looks at

726
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Speaker 9: it and says, I like, here we have all this

727
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 9: this and this next gen type stuff, this player tracking data.

728
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Speaker 9: And I know that you know DeVante Smith runs x

729
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Speaker 9: miles an hour in game, So what difference does it

730
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Speaker 9: make if he runs a forty or not?

731
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, for example, lineback like I guess if you're

732
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Speaker 1: a sideline to sideline linebackers, speed is a big deal.

733
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Speaker 1: But for me, what's his first step? Like, if there's

734
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Speaker 1: a way to say his first step is nine the

735
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Speaker 1: right first step, it's you know, his instincts are right.

736
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Speaker 1: That makes up a lot of times for you know,

737
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Speaker 1: not being right.

738
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Speaker 5: You need that speed data that they track, and the

739
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Speaker 5: Patriots have been doing that for years just like everybody else.

740
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Speaker 5: But you also need the other part of it too,

741
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Speaker 5: because you can't just have you know, the guy who

742
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Speaker 5: you know doesn't.

743
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Speaker 1: What's his path to the ball? Right, they have to

744
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: wear Olympics I know, I know they have that now.

745
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Speaker 9: Yeah, like the dots, like that's what the dots do.

746
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 9: They have that and the dots will show you like

747
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 9: he went he falls step this way and then he

748
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Speaker 9: corrected himself. And then they also have data like closing

749
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 9: speed on the ball. So a guy that was really

750
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Speaker 9: good at that is is Mapu Maphus really a good

751
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Speaker 9: closing speed So even if he falls steps, he's one

752
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 9: of those guys that he can make up for it.

753
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Speaker 5: But other guys like the Bentley Gonzalo, Yeah.

754
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Speaker 9: Maybe Bentley can't do the every speed.

755
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe they.

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Speaker 9: Drafted Mapu knowing that. Like I'm not saying that. I

757
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 9: just I was just going off of what the Harold

758
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 9: was saying. And if they're ignoring that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 9: then that almost it kind of makes like it kind

760
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Speaker 9: of rings true to me, Like, Okay, they can't draft

761
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Speaker 9: and they're not like using the analytics. Oh, I wonder why.

762
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Speaker 5: Like so I saw that story, but I wasn't, like

763
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Speaker 5: I said, I wasn't able to read it. Whether the

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Speaker 5: are quotes get in the story number after but.

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Speaker 1: But to me, you have to do it in the

766
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Speaker 1: right order. The numbers have to show up on film,

767
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Speaker 1: not the other way around. Oh, the film shows up

768
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Speaker 1: in numbers. No, the numbers have to Like you look

769
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Speaker 1: at the numbers. Is it showing up on film? That's

770
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Speaker 1: the way it has to be, because if it isn't,

771
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Speaker 1: I don't care what the numbers say, you know what

772
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Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, the numbers have to show up on film.

773
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: Like the numbers can lead you to the player, but

774
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: then you have to watch the film, you know. Like

775
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: I I was talking to some of this is a

776
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: different sport. It was about soccer, and they're talking about

777
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: goalies in the expected goals say like over it expectations.

778
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: This person was saying, I knew this goalie was going

779
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Speaker 1: to be good without even seeing him. And I was thinking, like, so,

780
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Speaker 1: how can that be true? You know, you have to

781
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Speaker 1: watch the goalie. Yeah, you know, but his number said

782
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Speaker 1: that his numbers of goals saved above expectation was just

783
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Speaker 1: out of this world.

784
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Speaker 5: See Whereas my guess is Bill, knowing Bill, like I've

785
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 5: watched him for twenty plus years, would probably look at

786
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Speaker 5: that and say, if I was the one compiling that data,

787
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Speaker 5: I would trust it. Yeah, do you know what I mean?

788
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 11: Yeah?

789
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 5: And he comes to I think that's what it is.

790
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Speaker 5: You make a logical, you know, conclusion about that soccer goalie, Yeah,

791
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Speaker 5: who's to turning what his you know, goes above expectation

792
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 5: is right because not everybody looks at it the same way.

793
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Speaker 9: It's not it's not charting, it's they're looking at a

794
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 9: series of like results over a period of time, and

795
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 9: they're saying, if the puck or the ball is shot here,

796
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Speaker 9: and we take all thirty goalies in the MLS or

797
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 9: whatever it is, how many of when they in the

798
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Speaker 9: heat map when it goes to this location, how many

799
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 9: guys are saving it and how many guys aren't? So

800
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Speaker 9: all this is this is all data driven. Like it's

801
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 9: not like somebody's grading the fight.

802
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: If I'm watching it and a guy has a breakaway

803
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: and he doesn't score, it doesn't to me automatically go

804
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: down as that that's a safe above expectation. I need

805
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 5: to see the move. Does he shoot it right into

806
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 5: his chest? Is it a bruin? With the game on

807
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 5: the line?

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00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: Wow?

809
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Speaker 8: You know, so like we just put that season behind.

810
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 5: I know, and I thought that they should have had

811
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 5: about twelve goals last night. It was very to be

812
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 5: honest with you, I was very encouraged by last night.

813
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 5: I thought that you had a lot of good offense

814
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: for a team I thought was going to struggle to

815
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Speaker 5: create offense.

816
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Speaker 1: Marsh and had a bunny.

817
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Speaker 5: But that's my little that's my little fifteen second Bruins point.

818
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 8: Patta, all right, I thought looked good. Yeah, that first

819
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 8: pass was good. Ye had a couple of turn on

820
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 8: all right?

821
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Speaker 9: This okay, hockey guys.

822
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Speaker 1: This stuff to digest. Here the stuff to digest. And

823
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: then there's all the off field chatter that everyone's talking

824
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Speaker 1: about right now. And we've getten a lot of emails

825
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: on those subjects. We'll get to them as well. You know,

826
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Speaker 1: we'll see what's going.

827
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Speaker 9: I'm sorry to go on.

828
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Speaker 1: I'm eager to.

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Speaker 5: Get to I think the analytics stuff is interesting.

830
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Speaker 1: I'm eager to get to line three.

831
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Speaker 5: I's like, let me rephrase that, I think the use

832
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Speaker 5: of analytics stuff is interesting. I let you decide.

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Speaker 9: Just like the last thing I'll say is just like

834
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Speaker 9: with Juju versus Jacoby, and I think this was the

835
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Speaker 9: context that it was kind of brought up in.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 9: The one thing that Kobe definitely had in his favor

838
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 9: was a lot of like the advanced like separation analytics

839
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 9: and stuff like that, and so it was brought up

840
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Speaker 9: in the context of that of player evaluation, and it

841
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 9: does make you wonder, like, they watched Juju and they

842
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 9: watched Jacoby, but did they look at the fact that

843
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 9: Jacoby against man coverage was a much better separator based

844
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Speaker 9: off the math than Juju was. And that was sort

845
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Speaker 9: of the insinuation. I think that Andrew and Donner make it.

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Speaker 5: When they made that move, all of the math guys

847
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 5: told me how wrong I was.

848
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Speaker 8: Well, then that makes more sense with Andrew's question yesterday

849
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Speaker 8: that he asked Bill about pressure rate, No the Jacoby

850
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Speaker 8: Myers one where he said, you know, coaches have said

851
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 8: they praised Jacoby's ability to separate. Do you think your

852
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 8: team has a problem separating? That was kind of how

853
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 8: he asked the question, which just seemed strange to me.

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00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: But off air, let's go to the ACE ticket houtline.

855
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: Patty's an aguam. What's up? Patty?

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Speaker 6: Hey, you get afternoon everyone, Patty. I got a weird question,

857
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Speaker 6: and this is not my opinion. I just had the

858
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Speaker 6: spot in my head yesterday and I said, it's not

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Speaker 6: my opinion, it's just an idea. I wanted to get

860
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Speaker 6: your guys thoughts on it. And I don't know who

861
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 6: came up with the idea last year, Matt Patricia or

862
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Speaker 6: Bill Belichick, the switch to more of a Shanahan offense.

863
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Speaker 6: But do you think maybe looking at the offense this

864
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Speaker 6: year and down the stretch of twenty one that Weber's

865
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Speaker 6: idea that was maybe they were onto something.

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Speaker 9: Onto something.

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Speaker 1: So you're thinking after twenty one they made the decision

868
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Speaker 1: to do this this you know, more of the wide run,

869
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Speaker 1: the Shanahan type of zone runs, and you think maybe

870
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Speaker 1: they were onto something. Maybe they should have kept doing

871
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: that this year. Is that what you're saying?

872
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they are they obviously.

873
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Speaker 6: The wrong guy to teach it and to run the offense.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, look at look at how abysmal they

875
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 6: were down the spreads of twenty one. How the same

876
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: pattern that they started this year where they would fall

877
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 6: behind a game, you know, they couldn't get They never

878
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 6: really had any good starts. I think Minnesota when they

879
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 6: played Minnesota and Thanksgiving that was really the last time

880
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 6: they had like a good start to a game. And

881
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 6: I'm not, like I said, I'm not saying it's my opinion.

882
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 6: It just kicked around in my head and there's a

883
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 6: plenty of space up there to kick around.

884
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 5: I think you can make an argument that the Patriots

885
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 5: need sort of an infusion of a new offensive look,

886
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: but I think they've tried it and it hasn't worked.

887
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 5: So this goes to Fred's point, at some point you

888
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 5: have to figure out a way to get better players. Yeah, well,

889
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: another point, whatever scheme you want to implement.

890
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 8: Another thing from this article was that they were studying

891
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 8: the Rams offense was what they were trying to pull

892
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 8: from that what they say in the Herald.

893
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's a.

894
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 9: I would just say to Patty's like question that they

895
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 9: are running Shanahan's concepts in the run game. More Mike's

896
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 9: right in the Herald's right in my opinion, more McVeigh.

897
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 9: But in general, they're an outside zone and duo team,

898
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 9: like that's the two things that they do, and that's

899
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 9: what McVeigh does. Like I think a lot of people

900
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 9: think that McVeigh is all outside zone. Double team's gap, right,

901
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 9: just double team, two double teams in the in the

902
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 9: middle of the line of scrimmage and then usually like

903
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 9: in mcveigh's system, and the Patriots have used their tight

904
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 9: ends in this way, they'll have somebody insert from emotion

905
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 9: right and they'll insert kind of like as a lead

906
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 9: blocker up the middle, and that's that's their inside run

907
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 9: in mcvay's offense. So their outside run is zone, their

908
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 9: inside run is duo most of the time. And in

909
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 9: the Super Bowl in fifty three, they didn't the Rams

910
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 9: didn't have they didn't have duo, they didn't have a

911
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 9: lot of inside answers. They were they evolved in that respect.

912
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 9: They were very very heavy outside zone early on in

913
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 9: mcveigh's coaching career, and so the Patriots had those double

914
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 9: edges and they just like they knew what was coming

915
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 9: the next evolution for McVeigh and that when they won

916
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 9: the Super Bowl with Stafford, a big reason why they

917
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 9: won was because that he he found a left hand.

918
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 9: You know, he Okay, you're gonna play that six to

919
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 9: one tilt. We're going to play outside zone. We're going

920
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 9: to run it up the middle on you. We're gonna

921
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 9: run duo. So the Patriots have tried to that's what

922
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 9: they do, like single back, outside zone duo. That's that's

923
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 9: their offense right now. So if you think that was

924
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 9: the right idea, then you're telling me that this is

925
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 9: good what we're watching.

926
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: Uh, it all comes down to execution, though, you know,

927
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: Manual in New Bedford. What's what's up? E Manual?

928
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 12: Hey, what's going on?

929
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: Hey?

930
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 8: Hey?

931
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 13: Just this?

932
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 5: Do you hear me? Yeah?

933
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.

934
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 12: So I got I gotta I gotta take.

935
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: And then I got a question for you guys.

936
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 12: So so my question would be, do you guys feel

937
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 12: like Max's work ethic is pretty good? You know what

938
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 12: I kind of mean by that is Max's been in

939
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 12: the league for three years, you know, and and again

940
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 12: I hate to compare him to Brady because there's no

941
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 12: one that's gonna ever be like Brady. But Brady used

942
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 12: to talk a lot about building chemistry with the players,

943
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 12: you know, and that was his big take on things.

944
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 12: And again he had great chemistry with guys like Ronk

945
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 12: and m Mondola and Edelman, you know what, Like it

946
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 12: just makes me question what does Mac really do during

947
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 12: the offseason, you know, Like, again, he's been in the

948
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 12: league for three years, and is he really taking the

949
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 12: time to develop that chemistry with his receivers, you know,

950
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 12: figuring out what they what they like, figuring out like

951
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 12: their their strength and their weaknesses. You know, and again

952
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 12: we always hear about him talking about after the post

953
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 12: game shows about and we all need to be better

954
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 12: as a team, which it was one hundred percent right,

955
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 12: But do we ever again we talked about the lack

956
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 12: of the big struggles of the offensive line. Obviously it

957
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 12: just he doesn't get the ball out in time, But

958
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 12: does he ever think about like, hey, maybe we can

959
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 12: just try to work on getting the ball out quicker,

960
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 12: like try like again, let me take accountability, you know,

961
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 12: Let's just try to get the ball out quicker. Get

962
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 12: the ball out quicker, you know, and then again once

963
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 12: that that develops, that's becomes well, sure offensive line really developed. Hey,

964
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 12: let's try to work on some deep, deep, deep feel passive.

965
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying to man question, Thanks for

966
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: the call. I think that Mac does try to work

967
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: with these guys, whether it's before practice, after practice, offseason.

968
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: I think his little comment a couple of weeks ago

969
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: about it's not it's not good enough if only a

970
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: few guys put in the extra work might be talking

971
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: about maybe one or two of his own receivers. That's

972
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: how I took it, you know, I think Mac is

973
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: out there always willing to put in the extra work.

974
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how much buy in he gets from Mac.

975
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 10: Is also one of the last ones off the practice

976
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 10: field too, Like we do the static cams down there

977
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 10: and the whole team will come by after practice.

978
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 8: He's always no I.

979
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: And if there's one thing that Bill has praised about him,

980
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: if there's one thing that Bill has praised, it's his

981
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: work ethics. It's kind of what he's tally in laid

982
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: out it, but that doesn't mean anything unless like you

983
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: can be rolling that rock up this way, but if

984
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: I told you to roll it this way, you're putting

985
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: in hard work. But is it smart work?

986
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 8: Well this is sorry, I didn't need to cut you off,

987
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 8: but I mean it's kind of what Mac talked about

988
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 8: yesterday of just getting He said, you know, these are

989
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 8: some guys who are some of my best friends on

990
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 8: the field and off the field, and you know it

991
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 8: for me, it seemed, you know, really obvious yesterday that

992
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 8: his theme is kind of getting back to having fun

993
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 8: and relaxing and playing football with your friends. And it

994
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 8: seems that's kind of what the approach is that he's

995
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 8: taken this week. Whether it works or not. But I

996
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 8: think everything he said is you know, I don't have

997
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 8: any problem with Max's work ethic, with his leaderships, you know,

998
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 8: all that stuff. I mean, we can talk about some

999
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 8: of his personality stuff and how he's dealt with some adversity,

1000
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 8: but just in terms of preparing for the season, staying

1001
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 8: after practice, getting here, I mean, I don't think you've

1002
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 8: ever heard any complaints about that.

1003
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 9: It's one, I don't think I have any problems with

1004
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 9: his work ethic, but his leadership is separate from that.

1005
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: In order to be to get the buy in, you

1006
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: have to be a leader. People have to say, Okay,

1007
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what this guy tells me because it's going.

1008
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 8: To make me a better play and you need results too,

1009
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 8: and that's you know, like, let's face it, like, no

1010
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 8: matter what you're kind of like, if you win games,

1011
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 8: guys will get behind you and want to play with you.

1012
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 8: But at a certain point, especially when you keep killing

1013
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 8: your team early in the game, and you know, you

1014
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 8: heard Mayo kind of say yesterday, I'd be lying if

1015
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 8: I didn't say that it has an effect on the

1016
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 8: defense and that they're you know, unfortunately disappointed with you know,

1017
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 8: the way games have been starting. So you know, that's

1018
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 8: going through the team, and I think if he has

1019
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 8: some success, yeah.

1020
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 9: I just think like in terms of yeah, he mentioned

1021
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 9: Macy mentioned yesterday about communicating more with his receivers, and

1022
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 9: I get that you have to have some cachet to

1023
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 9: get people to buy in. And he's not playing well

1024
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 9: and he hasn't accomplished He doesn't have a resume in

1025
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 9: the league really, so that that makes it difficult. But

1026
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 9: if the one thing that I like kind of noticed

1027
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 9: with him is that like he's kind of in his

1028
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 9: own world on the sideline. Yeah, you know, he might

1029
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 9: be with Billy, oh, but like he's kind of in

1030
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 9: his own world. And it's like if you have a

1031
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 9: bad play on the drive before because the receiver ran

1032
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 9: the wrong route, go up to the guy and be like, hey,

1033
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 9: like that that's not that's not good enough, Like we

1034
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 9: need to be you know. Nowose are the types of

1035
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 9: things that Brady used to do. And I get that

1036
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 9: Brady had the cachet to do it, But at the

1037
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 9: same time, like you gotta like fake it till you

1038
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 9: make it, man, Like you know, if you notice that

1039
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 9: you threw a pick or you threw a third down

1040
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 9: that wasn't completed because the receiver ran the route incorrectly

1041
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 9: then correct him, like I WoT this way.

1042
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: I wonder if early on he started trying to do

1043
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: that and he got rebuffed and now he's It's.

1044
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 5: A some point that Mike just made that I really

1045
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 5: hadn't thought of in that regard. But you about the

1046
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 5: That's what he did in camp. Remember when we used to.

1047
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: Watch the camp, like would go over the guys.

1048
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 5: No, he'd be by himself. Not well, yeah, he'd be

1049
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 5: visualizing by himself.

1050
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: He did do that.

1051
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 5: Think makes a really good point, but.

1052
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: Later, but I do remember, like in spring camp, maybe

1053
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: it was last year, like him going up to the

1054
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: guys after plays and talking and I think and we

1055
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: called it out. But Paul's right, he also did that

1056
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: whole thing where he was visualizing by himself.

1057
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 5: I don't mean to steal your point. I think I

1058
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 5: think I just lifted in.

1059
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 8: I just lifted in.

1060
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: It was more when like there was another quarterback taking reps,

1061
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: he would be off on his own.

1062
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 5: Well that's when he should be with his receipt.

1063
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 8: But I remember at the time we were kind of

1064
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 8: speculating that maybe Max still is kind of pissed about

1065
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 8: last year and that you know, he was kind of

1066
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 8: pouting by himself, and you know it seems like, really,

1067
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 8: what I mean, that's still poss I thought that was.

1068
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 5: The most interesting thing that he said when he talked

1069
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 5: about I've been told that I was a good communicator

1070
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 5: and I need to do a better job of that.

1071
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 10: He seems isolated right now, right, poor Mac.

1072
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: All right, Paul, So we need to take a break.

1073
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,000
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Speaker 15: We are back with the PU halftime show. Fatis Balmon here,

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Speaker 15: joined by Faith.

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Speaker 3: We're all third time join, Yes, third time is the charge.

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Speaker 5: There we go.

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Speaker 15: All right, We're gonna start with some trivia to win

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Speaker 15: an unfiltered T shirt Official Unfiltered T shirt.

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Speaker 1: Question one?

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Speaker 15: What year did the Patriots first debut their home color

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Speaker 15: Rush jersey? And what was the first game that they

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Speaker 15: wore them?

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Speaker 16: I missed Color Rush?

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Speaker 11: All right?

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Speaker 3: How many? Question two?

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Speaker 15: How many field goal attempts did Adam Vinitari complete and

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Speaker 15: make in the Super Bowls he played in? Also, how

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Speaker 15: many Pats did he attempt and make?

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Speaker 11: A right?

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Speaker 3: That includes Colts by the way, I think he played

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Speaker 3: one with the Colts.

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Speaker 8: Question three?

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Speaker 3: Which player made a key pass break up in Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl fifty three? That's a gimme, right, I know one? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there we go.

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Speaker 15: All right, let's get into it. Today is Thursday, October twelfth,

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Speaker 15: and it's a big Thursday Night tilt. We got the

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Speaker 15: Broncos versus.

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs and Faith.

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Speaker 15: You might not know, but the Chiefs have a little

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Speaker 15: bit of a win streak going against the Broncos. I

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Speaker 15: had no idea it's fifteen straight, similar to do we

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Speaker 15: The Pats of fifteen against the Jets were at fifteen

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Speaker 15: or six leave so fifteen I think fifteen. So this

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Speaker 15: is a big game. The Broncos are off a tough

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Speaker 15: loss to the Jets, which there was also some off

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Speaker 15: field stuff going on. Sean Payton said some not nice

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Speaker 15: things about Nathaniel Hackett, and it looks.

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Speaker 3: Like Hackett got the last laugh.

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Speaker 16: Yes he did.

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Speaker 1: Faith.

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Speaker 3: What do you have on this game? We are you thinking?

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Speaker 11: So every week on my own podcast, Playmaker's Perspective, check

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Speaker 11: it out like and subscribe absolutely. I usually pick, you know,

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Speaker 11: I gotta have faith underdog of the week. I glanced

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Speaker 11: right over this one. I didn't even really stop to

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Speaker 11: consider the Broncos winning in Arrowhead. I just think like

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Speaker 11: the Chiefs obviously took the loss to the Lions in

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Speaker 11: Week one, shocking upset for the Lions, cool story, and

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Speaker 11: then they've just been bulldozing everybody else, obviously wrestling with

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Speaker 11: some injuries.

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Speaker 16: Travis Kelcey himself.

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Speaker 3: Swift take over the synthetic turf debate.

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Speaker 11: We had yesterday, honestly, but like for him to even

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Speaker 11: be injured in the game that come back and score

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Speaker 11: a touchdown, like they're just fine.

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Speaker 16: I don't see them slowing down.

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Speaker 8: The thing.

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Speaker 15: The only reason I'm going to pick the Chiefs is

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Speaker 15: just because the only reason, yes, the only this screams

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Speaker 15: trap game, it really does. But I think losing to

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Speaker 15: the Jets, I think Sean Payton despises Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they have a good team. I think he's over it.

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Speaker 3: He's locked in with them.

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Speaker 15: They're losing and Russell Wilson's making Sean Payton look bad now,

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Speaker 15: So I think he's That's something to look forward to

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Speaker 15: in the offseason what happens with them. But the only

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Speaker 15: way the Broncos win this game is if Kelsey last

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Speaker 15: minute and active.

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Speaker 16: M That's fair.

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Speaker 11: I do think like with Sean Payton, because he said

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Speaker 11: and the Hackett did the worst coaching job in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He might not be wrong.

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Speaker 16: I'm just saying, which that's a lot.

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Speaker 11: To say when you're taking over the same Broncos team

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Speaker 11: that he had to deal with and now you're one

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Speaker 11: and four and it's like.

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Speaker 15: Said, they do look better, though, I mean, is the

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Speaker 15: problem faith last year they had the fans counting down

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Speaker 15: the play clock for them, like that is as unorganized.

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Speaker 16: As that's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: But you're right he can't. He has a long way

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Speaker 3: to go.

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Speaker 15: I want to talk about the Kelsey injury because I

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Speaker 15: was on the field during the game for the past game,

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Speaker 15: so I wasn't doing my normal I was on the

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Speaker 15: field for our game against the Saints. I don't want

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Speaker 15: to talk about that, but I didn't get to watch,

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Speaker 15: you know, my normal red zone. So I was checking

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Speaker 15: some highlights and when I first saw that injury, I

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Speaker 15: thought he blew out his achilles.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it was a tough fall.

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Speaker 15: And we all know mahomes great player. He's not the

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Speaker 15: same without Kelsey. He's really not man like. Really, let

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Speaker 15: is go to These Thursday night games are tough, they

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Speaker 15: really are. Turn around is a quick turnaround, like these

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Speaker 15: guys like they get hit so much and then you're

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Speaker 15: asked to travel.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. I really don't know what to

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Speaker 3: expect in this one.

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Speaker 16: You know, it would be awesome. I'm gonna watch it wardless.

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Speaker 16: It's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 11: If the Broncos figure out some form of a cheat

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Speaker 11: code and figure out how to make it close. I

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Speaker 11: don't see the Chiefs letting the Broncos ultimately win. I mean,

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Speaker 11: this is a division game, like.

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Speaker 16: This is never know for them.

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Speaker 11: I feel like the Broncos' best case scenario is this

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Speaker 11: they can keep their offense on the field longer than

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Speaker 11: the Chiefs so that hopefully, you know, they can keep

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Speaker 11: it within maybe one score. But I just don't see

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Speaker 11: the Chiefs going like having in Arrowhead a.

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Speaker 3: Division game, know where it was, I was checking where

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Speaker 3: it was, Like, I just like it's just.

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Speaker 11: One of those games where it's like they're gonna find

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Speaker 11: a way to win, and I don't know. A side note,

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Speaker 11: I feel like it's hilarious that like when Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 11: got injured in the playoffs, like how quickly he was

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Speaker 11: able to turn around Kelsey looks like he tears his achilles,

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Speaker 11: comes right back out the locker room, scores a touchdown

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Speaker 11: for brain.

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Speaker 3: An by the way, sprained ankle by the way, yeah

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Speaker 3: way better.

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Speaker 11: Of course, what do they do in Kansas City to

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Speaker 11: heal their players so fast? It's crazy to be they

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Speaker 11: turn around like nothing and they come out and make

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Speaker 11: big plays.

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Speaker 15: I mean, well, we'll see what happens. I mean, the

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Speaker 15: Broncos just got to air it out. I don't really

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Speaker 15: trust their run game, and I think you just gotta

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Speaker 15: take chances. That's the only way it sucks. You're not

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Speaker 15: supposed to get into a shootout with the Chiefs, but

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Speaker 15: you have to do it.

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Speaker 3: But faith, let's get did your did your podcast come

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Speaker 3: out already?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's get to keep the faith there. Okay, exactly, Sorry,

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Speaker 3: gotta have fa gotta have faith. What's what's the score?

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Speaker 11: So I'm when I was looking at this week, obviously

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Speaker 11: I saw the Broncos Chiefs.

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Speaker 16: I did not go with that.

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Speaker 11: I saw the Panthers Dolphins, did not go with that.

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Speaker 11: Love the Panthers, but no, So I ended up taking

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Speaker 11: the Jets over the Eagles. I I could see it

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Speaker 11: being like a twenty four to twenty one last minute

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Speaker 11: field goal kind of thing. Potentially, that just feels like

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Speaker 11: a game that the Eagles are traveling to the Jets.

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Speaker 11: Every undefeated team almost has tends to have their one

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Speaker 11: game at some point, and I could just see the Jets,

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Speaker 11: I don't know, pulling it out potentially. I'm mostly writing once.

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Speaker 3: For that one Okay, what about the Thursday night game, the.

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Speaker 16: Thursday night game like tonight.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, oh gosh, Well, if the Chiefs decide to actually

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Speaker 11: dominate and show up and Kelsey's healthy and everything works,

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Speaker 11: I mean, this could be like a thirty four to

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Speaker 11: twelve kind of game.

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Speaker 16: Like it could be like an ugly game I have.

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Speaker 3: I have twenty seven to thirteen. She like it?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, chiefs to say if Kelsey's inactive seventeen to thirteen.

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Speaker 11: Chiefs, Yeah, I think regardless, they're gonna pull it out.

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Speaker 11: But I mean, you can definitely account what Kelsey scored

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Speaker 11: in the last one touchdown, the last four games or

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Speaker 11: every game.

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Speaker 3: And your girl's going to be there. Apparently it's gone.

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Speaker 16: Speaking of my girl, she has her movie coming out Friday.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna go see that too.

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Speaker 16: Not on Friday.

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Speaker 11: I'm like an eighty five percent swifty. I let one

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Speaker 11: hundred percent Swifties go on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Maybe have more space than the theater.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't want to be packed now. I want

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Speaker 16: to be a nice.

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Speaker 15: Experienced all right, Well, Faith, thank you for joining guys.

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Speaker 15: Send those trivia answers in the web Radio Patriots dot com,

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Speaker 15: and let's get.

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Speaker 3: Back to the show.

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Speaker 17: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, replacements

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Speaker 17: were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery.

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Speaker 17: Everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where

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Speaker 17: now it's next for residential delivery.

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Speaker 5: Only and no great moments in.

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Speaker 1: History.

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Speaker 9: Come on, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Felger Still to this day, Felger is not the end

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Speaker 1: all be all of conversation. There's other people saying stuff

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people sing.

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Speaker 5: One guy was all Brady.

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Speaker 1: It was only when I said it while Brady.

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Speaker 5: Was here with Bill who said that.

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Speaker 1: Tons of people who on this show. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: do I have to go back and eat?

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Speaker 5: I've never said that.

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Speaker 9: You better. You're talking about emailers, callers call.

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Speaker 5: There's only one guy on who's always matters in the town,

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Speaker 5: and it's Michael. I mean, the only guy even moves

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Speaker 5: the need. That's not a hero worship. I think he's insane.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you had such a love.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't possibly disagree with them more. It's got nothing

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Speaker 5: to do with hero. He thinks he thinks that they

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Speaker 5: could win the division with Brian Hoyer. I couldn't possibly

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Speaker 5: disagree with them more. It's nothing to do with hero worship.

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Speaker 5: But don't tell me that Clean wood Way has a

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Speaker 5: pulse or anything that's going on. Yes, Bill, Yes, Bill?

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Speaker 5: What else do you want, Bills get together? Are we

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Speaker 5: going to do this weekend?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Okay Bill?

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from score Big with Bob's unbeatable

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Speaker 1: bebs and convenient USB ports. Paul will never have to

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Speaker 1: get up and miss a play, but only when you

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Speaker 1: shop at Bob's, the official furniture store of the New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots. We gave away what t shirts at time?

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Speaker 1: Only two winners? Wow? First trivia questions, you guys know

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Speaker 1: the answer. Nobody knows the answers.

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Speaker 5: I do, but I was not given the questions ahead

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Speaker 5: of time.

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Speaker 1: What year did the Patriots first debut their home color

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Speaker 1: Rush jersey? And what was the first game they wore them?

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Speaker 9: Twenty sixteen? Yeah against the Texans, which Kobe PRIs said

1308
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 9: at quarterback.

1309
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: That's correct. Wow, Nate ol of Us Olavis is the

1310
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: winner the second one. How many field goal attempts did

1311
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: Adam Vinteria complete and make in the Super Bowls he

1312
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: played in, and how many Pats did he attempt and make?

1313
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 8: Wows a lot of questions within that question.

1314
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: The answer is Adam was seven for ten on field

1315
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: goals in thirteen for thirteen on extra points for thirty

1316
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: four points in five games in Super Bowls and there

1317
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: was no winner. There was no winner. And finally, which

1318
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: player made a key pass breakup in Super Bowl fifty three?

1319
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 5: Jason mccordy.

1320
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that winner was Maurice Cerulo.

1321
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 8: That's a that's an easy one.

1322
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Eight five to five past five hundred

1323
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: is the A Sticket hotline. Web radio at Patriots dot

1324
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: com is the email address. Let's get back to the calls.

1325
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Speaker 1: We'll start with Ted in Charleston. What's up, Ted, Hi,

1326
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

1327
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,479
Speaker 13: Yeah, wanted to make two points here. Evan talk about

1328
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 13: the evolution of the game, and I think there's often

1329
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 13: a long delay between a significant being change and evolution.

1330
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 13: You know, the NBA adopted a three point shot in

1331
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 13: nineteen seventy nine and it took thirty years. Yes, Step

1332
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 13: Courier's Warriors, and I think it's footballs Polian and the

1333
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 13: Competition Committee re emphasized passing about twenty years ago or so?

1334
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 13: Is that right? And it was after cat If you

1335
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 13: don't change your personnel and strategy right away, but at

1336
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 13: some point you have to. And I wonder if it's

1337
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 13: the younger coaches that tend to see these changes, whether

1338
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 13: it's the quality of the athletes or the rule changes

1339
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 13: earlier than the older coaches. And just one other point,

1340
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 13: here's when people say that the Patriots on offense lacked

1341
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 13: field position, players, lack offensive line, and lack of good quarterback.

1342
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 13: What else is it there? And it doesn't that mean

1343
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 13: that there's a four year rebuilding process. And shouldn't the

1344
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 13: craft take away the personnelities right now from Belichick before

1345
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 13: he does Mohammed's new type trade?

1346
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: That's it? Take that, thanks, Ted. That's a good call

1347
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: to the first step where line three still stinks.

1348
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 9: To the first point, I feel like it's not necessarily

1349
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 9: that the young coaches see it first. And that's how

1350
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 9: they grew up like that. They're like guys like Shanahan

1351
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 9: and McVeigh and like those those coaches, just this is

1352
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 9: the type of foot this is the era that they've

1353
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 9: grown up in. You know, Bill grew up in football

1354
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 9: in the seventies and the eighties, and these guys are

1355
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 9: growing up now and I think for a lot of

1356
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 9: the the skill players, like you know, how are there's

1357
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 9: so many good receivers now. It was all like the

1358
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 9: seven on seven camps and stuff like that, that they're

1359
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 9: you know, these guys are catching passes all the time,

1360
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 9: like in the spring, the summer they're playing seven on seven.

1361
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 9: And I think the same things with the coaches, Like

1362
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 9: I think that those guys are just this is the era,

1363
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 9: like this is their time.

1364
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 5: I do like this point though, that sometimes you know,

1365
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 5: things get changed and innovated and it takes a while.

1366
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 5: And I think the basketball one is very valid. I mean,

1367
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 5: you would have never envisioned the three point line being

1368
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 5: this big a part of the NBA game now is

1369
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 5: if you watched during the eighties. But that's the way

1370
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 5: everybody plays now, and I think there's there's an element

1371
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 5: of truth to it. To the NFL. You know, toward

1372
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 5: the end of the first part of the Patriots dynasty

1373
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 5: is when the Panthers and the Colts put up a

1374
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 5: I mean not the Panthers, Eagles, and the Colts put

1375
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 5: up a big stink about their receivers getting roughed up

1376
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, and they were sort of more conscious

1377
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 5: of calling those those plays. And it took a while,

1378
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 5: but now the passing game is almost, you know, clockwork.

1379
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 5: It's so unstoppable, and you don't see teams playing the

1380
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 5: way the Patriots played at that time.

1381
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 8: It's kind of interesting to me that the excessive pace

1382
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 8: that they kind of used with O'Brien in like twenty eleven.

1383
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 8: I know that was partially due to the lockout, but

1384
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 8: that that didn't become more of a trend. It just

1385
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 8: seemed kind of like a one off. Doesn't seem like

1386
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 8: teams are as interested now as the one word play call.

1387
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 8: Remember that year it was like, oh my gosh, the

1388
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 8: one word play call.

1389
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 9: Their NASCAR package, And.

1390
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 5: You see it still in college, but you don't see

1391
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 5: as much of it in the pros.

1392
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 9: I think that was because of Chip Kelly, Like chip

1393
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 9: Kelly brought that, the Patriots went and worked with chip

1394
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 9: Kelly to learn it, and then I think chip Kelly

1395
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 9: came to the league and his teams and with the Eagles,

1396
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 9: like time of possession was so lopsided for them that

1397
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 9: the defense was just gassed playing that way. And I

1398
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 9: think that teams realized that it wasn't sustainable.

1399
01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: The last part those about taking the keys away before

1400
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: he makes Mohammed's the new type trade. I wonder if, uh,

1401
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: maybe they have been taken away a little bit. Well,

1402
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: anything major has to go through the crafts. I don't know, Yeah,

1403
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: I wondered.

1404
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 5: I would think that that would be smart right now,

1405
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 5: because they have to have some internal conversations about anything

1406
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 5: that they do, right, doesn't doesn't Robert have to sign

1407
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 5: off on a trade?

1408
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah he does, I mean I would think yeah.

1409
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 8: But I mean in free agency, I mean really it

1410
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 8: was it was just Juju that got the three year deal.

1411
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 8: I mean, everybody else was just one or two year deals.

1412
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 11: You know.

1413
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 8: That was the only real kind of significant deals unless

1414
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 8: you want to count Cardona's four years.

1415
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 5: Well I'm talking about right, like maybe, but yeah, just recently,

1416
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 5: like if they want to make the the Evan this

1417
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 5: might have been off air the Jerry Judy trade we

1418
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 5: were talking about, well, while Fred was eating his two

1419
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 5: subs liar. I would think Robert would need to sign

1420
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 5: off on something like that, whereas maybe he doesn't necessarily

1421
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 5: need to be bogged down with the minutia.

1422
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: On a normal level.

1423
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 5: But right now, I don't know how you can just

1424
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 5: do you think carte blanche for what's going to happen

1425
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 5: in twenty.

1426
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 8: Four to twenty that extension of Parker on June twenty eighth,

1427
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 8: right when right like it's happened.

1428
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 10: Post that, I guess could you guys ever see though,

1429
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 10: like in an off season Craft coming in and being

1430
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 10: like we have an actual GM now like you are literally.

1431
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't see there.

1432
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 10: I would see Bill like resigning or just I just

1433
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 10: plus I don't think it works to Bill him.

1434
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 5: I don't think. I think it's a dysfunctional. You know,

1435
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 5: it's one thing if you hire a GM and you

1436
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 5: hire it and that's established, and that's a stablished but

1437
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 5: the way that you can't have Bill do it for

1438
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 5: twenty five years and then say, Alex, now you no

1439
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 5: longer can make those moves at your whim. It's just

1440
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 5: a dysfunctional thing. So now Bill's going to be But if.

1441
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 10: That's happening now, but just set a less like a lesser.

1442
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 5: Degree, I think it's close to over.

1443
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 10: Let's like Butcher has to check your homework.

1444
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 5: Makes I would worry about like if you have Matt.

1445
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 5: Let's say it's Macro and you just say Macro is

1446
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 5: the GM. Now he's gonna make all the persons he

1447
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 5: has final say on the roster. I don't want Bill

1448
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 5: coaching that, not because I don't trust Bill to coach,

1449
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 5: but how is his relationship gonna work there?

1450
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 13: Like?

1451
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 5: Am I gonna go out of my way to spite

1452
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 5: the moves that Macro has made because I didn't get

1453
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 5: to make them? Like it's just human nature. The guy's

1454
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 5: been in charge of the kingdom for twenty five years

1455
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 5: and now you're telling them you can coach.

1456
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 8: But I just wondered towards you're gonna tell you who

1457
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 8: you coach? You know, I think the only potential moves

1458
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 8: I'd wonder is not necessarily trades, which I think, you

1459
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 8: know when you're one and four, like what's the point.

1460
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 8: But dugger extensions, you know, like anybody getting an extension?

1461
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 8: Is any of that stuff gonna get done?

1462
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: You know?

1463
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 8: Because I could still see a place where even the

1464
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 8: crafts would say, look, we love Kyle Duggar.

1465
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 5: I think the trade deadlines are opportunities still, it's just

1466
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 5: the other way, like I think like an ucha or

1467
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 5: a Kendrick Bourne, or maybe even a Hunter Henry could

1468
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 5: give you know, and I think I saw. I think

1469
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 5: someone tied a tight end to zach Ertz. I think

1470
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 5: Bill Barnwell tied to Dallas. And my immediate thought was,

1471
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 5: we got a decent tight end. Might not be here

1472
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 5: next year. Maybe Hunter Henry, you know, to doubt. Maybe

1473
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 5: you could get you know, a fifth round pick or something.

1474
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1475
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: Every little bit helps at this point, Kyle and Pembroke writes,

1476
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: and I may be stupid, but I still have hope.

1477
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: I believe that this is the week the team puts

1478
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: it together. I believe Thornton is the missing piece to

1479
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: open up the run game, in the passing game, I

1480
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: predict he will have seven catches for one hundred plus

1481
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown, leading the Patriots to his twenty

1482
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: seven to thirteen victory. I'm ready to be hurt again,

1483
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: but I still believe in this team.

1484
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 5: All right, Okay, I could see the Patriots winning this week.

1485
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything that's like unrealistic about the

1486
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 5: Patriots winning the game.

1487
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 8: But what fashion for what?

1488
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you think you're going to have just as much

1489
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 5: faith the next week against Buffalo and then the next

1490
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 5: week at Miami.

1491
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 8: And they're just those two games are staring right in

1492
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 8: the face. You know, this does tell you exactly where

1493
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 8: you are, where you are in the division, where you

1494
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 8: are in the conference, where you stack up over.

1495
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 5: I already know where they are division yep, oh I know.

1496
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 5: Look and as you as you've pointed out many times

1497
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 5: where they've been in the division since twenty twenty, it

1498
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 5: hasn't moved.

1499
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 8: Nope.

1500
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: Let's see Ryan Ron and Conway New Hampshire. What can

1501
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: we do to manufacturer win this week. I'm as lost

1502
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: as much as all of you. My concerns are still

1503
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: the same too. Regarding one thing, it seems that this

1504
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: team is in such a bad spiral, a bad play,

1505
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: and it's when one thing goes bad, everything they do

1506
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: goes bad too, including injuries. I agree with Evan from

1507
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: Yesterdays show about having a fullback in all honesty, I

1508
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: don't care if the other teams see that you might

1509
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: telegraph a run player or not. Question is can they

1510
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: stop it? Yes, I'm a fan of having a fullback,

1511
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: and every great running back needs one as it is

1512
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: an additional blocker. Lastly, I'm a huge fan of playing

1513
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: the kids at wide receiver, Thornton, Boute, Reager, and even Born.

1514
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 1: Schuster needs to get his mind right, because his mind.

1515
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 5: But these guys aren't kids, by the way, though, Thornton

1516
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 5: Born not a kid, Douglas, those are kids, booty kids.

1517
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 8: Am I a kid?

1518
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 5: Born? Not a kid? You're a kid.

1519
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 8: You're a kid. I think I'm Kendrick.

1520
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 5: But NFL wise, yeah, he wouldn't be a kid in

1521
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 5: the NFL puise, No, he's not. You know, this is

1522
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 5: difference between washed and washed.

1523
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 16: I'm saying not Kendrick, but you know Born.

1524
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 5: You know Rayger. These not kids anymore. Rager's been on

1525
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 5: like four teams.

1526
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: Just in Connecticut. Yesterday during my class, my professor was

1527
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: wearing an unauthentic PU shirt knockoffs.

1528
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 10: There's not really I told you guys this, someone has

1529
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 10: like a shot that they're dropping them. So the first

1530
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 10: time I noticed this was when Marcus Jones' parents came

1531
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 10: and we gave them a t shure. I tweeted out

1532
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 10: a picture and then in the comments someone dropped a

1533
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 10: link get your.

1534
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 16: Own, and it was like fraudulent.

1535
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 9: Obviously, Wow, someone just.

1536
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 10: Like copied the logo and put it on a white

1537
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,520
Speaker 10: T shirt on one of those like printified.

1538
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're qualities, Right Fred?

1539
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 5: That bad sleep job?

1540
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I don't like. Plus, we had

1541
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: a midterm test and we had three bonus questions, one

1542
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: of which was what is the world's original podcast?

1543
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 8: My God?

1544
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: I go to Eastern Connecticut State University and Doctor D

1545
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: is going to Vegas this weekend for the game. So

1546
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: I hope for his mental sanity, my mental sanity, and

1547
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: all of Patriots Nations sanity. We play like an actual

1548
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:44,919
Speaker 1: NFL team.

1549
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 9: Doctor D, Doctor, I love it.

1550
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 8: Eastern Connecticut? Is that Polis One?

1551
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it was Central Connecticut? Is there a

1552
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: West Northwestern?

1553
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 16: There is a Western.

1554
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 5: I don't believe there's a Northern, but there's an Eastern Western?

1555
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 1: And in Central Wow, in Southern Southern University?

1556
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 7: Right, brothers a freshman at Eastern Connecticut right now, watch

1557
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 7: out for that morrel stomping rounds.

1558
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 8: Okay, brother's a freshman. It's an old freshman. Is he

1559
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 8: like a Thornton melon?

1560
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. He's wearing a T shirt and he's

1561
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: putting questions on his test.

1562
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 8: He seems like it sounds like a pretty big fan.

1563
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 8: Get your teaching.

1564
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: My question, did anyone get the right answer besides you?

1565
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 16: Yeah, how do we know the professor is a fake shirt?

1566
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:31,879
Speaker 10: It could maybe he won the contest.

1567
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 8: Maybe it's maybe answered a question. Yeah, doctor, t do

1568
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 8: you mail anything to doctor?

1569
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: Do you need to have that little silver sticker?

1570
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 10: You know that the NFL we should make certificates?

1571
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, let's go to Todd in North Carolina on

1572
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: the A sticket outline was.

1573
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 4: Kind of telling to hear cousin Patty starting to say, hey,

1574
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 4: maybe last year there was something we could find and

1575
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 4: bring over for our offense or something, because it was

1576
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 4: you know, we need to get something going. So my

1577
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 4: question for you guys, since we're doing question time here

1578
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 4: we are, Yes, we are.

1579
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 6: You guys just went through it.

1580
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 4: Does mister Bellichick all know what is best for the

1581
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 4: team and is he able to do what's best for

1582
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 4: the team? Like those are two questions separate.

1583
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: You answer, does he know? And will he do it?

1584
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: I just notice I think he thinks he knows, yeah,

1585
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: and I think he thinks he's trying to do it. Yeah, yeah,

1586
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,759
Speaker 1: for sure. I Mean that's a simple answer, but it's.

1587
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 8: It's one of those things where you know, and I

1588
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 8: not to get back in the drama at all.

1589
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 5: But you know there's no answer to that. Who's to

1590
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 5: say what the best thing for the team?

1591
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 8: Right? The proof is only if they win games. They

1592
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 8: start winning games. But I just wonder if are people

1593
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 8: still listening to those things and trying to execute those

1594
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 8: things with all their might? Do they still believe that

1595
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 8: those things are going to win them football games?

1596
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: That's what questions are Roger and Saint Louis, You know

1597
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,560
Speaker 1: how you always say there's a listener with an expertise

1598
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: and a topic you're discussing, yes, without giving too much

1599
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: personal info. I have a master's degree in stats and

1600
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: work in a field where I do financial analysis, so

1601
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: when I heard Evans's thoughts, I had to weigh in.

1602
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating that football is trying to implement

1603
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: analytics and scouting and game management, but it's just always

1604
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: going to be limited, just by nature. Seventeen games is

1605
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: just not a good enough sample size for a lot

1606
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: of stats to be meaningful. You can argue about number

1607
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: of snaps and all that, but these stats are simply

1608
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: too susceptible to noise and outliers. I'm generally skeptical by nature,

1609
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: so without disclosing the raw data in actual tests slash

1610
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: formulas to the public, I have serious doubts in a

1611
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,919
Speaker 1: lot of these PFF next gen proclamations. I think potential

1612
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: for true statistical analysis is there in the NFL, but

1613
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: some more transparency would be appreciated. There are so many

1614
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: websites with amazing NBA and MLB raw data, why not

1615
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: for the NFL. PS win probability is a hoax and

1616
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: should be banned.

1617
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, so largely agree with his theory about the sample size,

1618
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 5: and I do think that's the number one thing for

1619
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 5: analytics is they talk about it in baseball all the time,

1620
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 5: and there's no sport that's more analytics driven than baseball.

1621
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 5: That's one hundred and sixty two games, and the reason

1622
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 5: why they say teams don't always translate into playoffs is

1623
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 5: because of that. It works over one hundred and sixty two,

1624
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 5: but it's a little bit different when you're in a

1625
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 5: three game series, you know, a three out of five series,

1626
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 5: and you've seen you know, like a lot of the

1627
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 5: favorites going down.

1628
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 10: But there's way fewer variables too, Like okay, there's a

1629
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 10: different pitcher on the mound or there's a different batter,

1630
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 10: but like other than that, maybe shifts other than that,

1631
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 10: like football is such a butterfly effects sport, like one

1632
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 10: tiny little thing.

1633
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: Can change so much. But in defense of the stats,

1634
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 1: and here I am playing the other side of the fence,

1635
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: I know there's only seventeen games in a season, but

1636
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: the stats go back.

1637
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 5: I mean, no, you know, but what they're talking about,

1638
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 5: Like I'll give you a couple of cook examples, like

1639
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 5: what the email is talking about is and I've said

1640
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 5: that many times, like the defense is ranked sixth in

1641
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 5: the league. Yeah, okay, because they shout out Detroit.

1642
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1643
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one out of your seventeen games, which is

1644
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 5: a huge part of that number. Now to me, it's

1645
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 5: not necessarily indicative of how good you are, you know,

1646
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 5: And that's just like one example to.

1647
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 10: Prove his especially for college kids too, like, okay, if

1648
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 10: you're looking at these advanced stats for each of their colleges,

1649
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 10: you have to weigh them up against player to player,

1650
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 10: their strength of schedule, their strengths of conference.

1651
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:33,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of variable.

1652
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 5: Now the other part, like Evan brought up something about

1653
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 5: the takeaways we were talking about they've only taken the

1654
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 5: ball away two times all year, and it's like, you know,

1655
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 5: that's seems like that, will you know, regress to the

1656
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 5: mean at some point, you know they've I think that

1657
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 5: what you've seen so far is a regression to the mean.

1658
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 5: Last year, they took the ball away a ridiculous amount.

1659
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 10: Of time on it every game, if not twenty.

1660
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,480
Speaker 5: It was every game. It was two and three takeaways

1661
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 5: every game.

1662
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: That was probably the outlier.

1663
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 5: This is what my point is. You can't say that

1664
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 5: you could. The best defense is don't do what the

1665
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 5: Patriots did last year every year in terms of takeaways,

1666
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 5: and then a lot of times taking those takeaways into

1667
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 5: points directly.

1668
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 8: I think you're seeing it with sacks too, right.

1669
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 5: I think it's a regression to the mean. Now, not

1670
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 5: like they're gonna all of you know, they're not gonna

1671
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 5: go the whole year without taking the ball away. They'll

1672
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 5: probably take it away on Sunday. Garoppolo's got seven picks,

1673
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 5: he leads the league. I wouldn't be surprised if the

1674
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 5: Patriots come up with a pick or two. But it's

1675
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 5: not something you rely on. It's a variable.

1676
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: Ramona Tampa I wasn't a big football fan then, but wasn't.

1677
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 1: Coughlin asked to give up his GM duties to focus

1678
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 1: on coaching, and did so easily because he recognized he

1679
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: wasn't doing good job.

1680
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 8: Kind of went with the Giants with the Jacks.

1681
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 5: Or maybe I don't know, I kind of remember something

1682
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 5: like that. He became a GM later in his career

1683
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 5: in Jackson. He ran the Jags. He didn't coach anymore.

1684
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not sure.

1685
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Jags were before the Giants.

1686
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 5: Maybe the Giants had a GM that came in.

1687
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 8: Jags first, Giants, then he went back to the Jacks

1688
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 8: and then he went back.

1689
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he originally ran the whole thing, but that

1690
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 5: that might be right. There might have been was that

1691
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 5: who's that guy? Sean something, Sean barn He can't think

1692
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 5: of the guy's name. There was a guy that came

1693
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 5: in for the Giants in that time and did a

1694
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 5: really good job, and he was under a lot of heat,

1695
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 5: and then they ended up winning a couple of titles.

1696
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: Let's go to Jason in London. What's up, Jason.

1697
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 5: I like y'all from London. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey god.

1698
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 18: I was in llet for my first time this weekend,

1699
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 18: and no matter the result, it was an amazing time,

1700
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 18: like it was my birthday. So I was like a

1701
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 18: buy flats on the ticket. Absolutely epic time. Like I

1702
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 18: had no bad bad experience. I really enjoyed as everyone

1703
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 18: was super friendly, taal getting was fun.

1704
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: It was just awesome, so good.

1705
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 9: That's great.

1706
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: I love it. Can you do a favor for me?

1707
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: Can you say the Allied forces have just reached Berlin the.

1708
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 5: I love it.

1709
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you. It was awesome, all right,

1710
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: all right, thanks Jason.

1711
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 8: Not somebody had fun, it was a nice day.

1712
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 1: Well. I was talking to somebody from Germany yesterday.

1713
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,799
Speaker 8: He's a big wig there generally in Germany.

1714
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was saying that the thing about what

1715
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: the people love in Germany about American football is the festival,

1716
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing around the game, like they're

1717
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 1: getting together and and they really liked that part of it.

1718
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 8: That's what I miss most about being a fan. Like

1719
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 8: sometimes when I would come back here from California for

1720
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 8: a game, I would think I would like get stuck

1721
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 8: in the tailgate too long because I was just and

1722
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 8: too much fun right partying with fans and friends and

1723
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 8: then we're like sprinting into the stadium, and of course

1724
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 8: the game is tense always as a fan, you know

1725
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 8: you're on edge. But I miss those. I missed those tailgates, and.

1726
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 9: Just if it could be like that all year, I

1727
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 9: would love to just be able to tailgate like one

1728
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 9: time again, you know, like just like just do it

1729
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 9: once right and content right and just out there, because

1730
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 9: that that is the best time. Like, that's that's the

1731
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 9: I feel like the memories that stick out more even

1732
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 9: than some of the games that I've been to or

1733
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 9: at the tailgate.

1734
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 8: One of the most fun I had was one you'rember.

1735
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 8: When I was a blogger, they would give me tickets

1736
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 8: to give away, and they gave me tickets to the

1737
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 8: rematch between the Patriots Jets. So I went to the

1738
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 8: Patriots Jets and I think twenty fifteen, and then I

1739
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 8: had tickets at the tailgate, and so you know, I

1740
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 8: found like a Jets fan who was amongst all the

1741
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 8: Patriots fans, and you know, gave him the tickets and

1742
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 8: you know they were all surprised out of nowhere. But

1743
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 8: it's just it's you know, even with opposing fans, it's

1744
01:20:59,200 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 8: it's fun.

1745
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 12: You get.

1746
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: Guess what.

1747
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 10: Has returned and has returned.

1748
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: Has returned from practice?

1749
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 9: All right, Evan repeated yesterday, Not not much to to glean.

1750
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 9: Stretching only, same attendance, no wide receiver, Juju Smith, Schuster

1751
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 9: tomorrow Douglas and then obviously Matthew Judon. So those two guys,

1752
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 9: I think we're a long shot to play on Sunday

1753
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 9: in concussion protocol anyways, But they have not been out

1754
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 9: there back in shells today, back in shells. Yeah, pads

1755
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 9: only on Wednesdays, it seems.

1756
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 1: Were they at least wearing pants?

1757
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, no shorts, a couple of some shorts. Yeah.

1758
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 9: It's nice out. Okay, it's nice out, all right, get

1759
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 9: ready for that desert heat.

1760
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 5: It is nice out.

1761
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: It's like sixty eight degrees.

1762
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was nice out there.

1763
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: So that means, you know, coaches were bundled up like

1764
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: it's the Arctic. Shut up.

1765
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 8: So, sirih, what was the stadium like last year when

1766
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 8: you guys went there?

1767
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 9: Was it?

1768
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 8: Was it nice and cool and air condition I.

1769
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was nice. And it's open air press box,

1770
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 9: which is a big fan of that makes you feel

1771
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 9: like you're you're really in it, you know, Minnesota too

1772
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 9: great atmosphere on Thanksgiving night open air press box like

1773
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 9: Dallas it's a big dome, Like why do we need

1774
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 9: the glass?

1775
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 8: Like just people like Paul It don't they don't.

1776
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 5: I don't like. I don't like the open air press box.

1777
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 9: I love it. I love it because it makes you

1778
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 9: feel like you like you understand the atmosphere and like

1779
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 9: you're you know, when you're pine the glass, you don't

1780
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 9: really know.

1781
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: But sometimes you don't hear the announcements. What that passed?

1782
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I just like the noise. I don't know,

1783
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 5: I don't know why. It just kind of bugs me.

1784
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:45,799
Speaker 1: Fans having fun.

1785
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 9: In Minnesota. I remember, like you know, Fred and I

1786
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 9: were were like, you can say whatever you want because

1787
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 9: the crowd's reacting to the play and you don't have

1788
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 9: to worry about like you know, you're you're saying something

1789
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 9: too loud, And both of us after they ruled Hunter

1790
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 9: Henry was incomplete pass where we're quite ridiculous.

1791
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 5: We still like the loudest press box in the league.

1792
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 5: It was a time where, without a question, no, I.

1793
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: Think it's calmed down. Yeah, I think it's it's.

1794
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 3: Not as there's a lot of there's a lot of groaning.

1795
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, a lot of the beat writers really have a

1796
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 10: big time just like keeping their emotions internal.

1797
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 5: They gets sad.

1798
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 8: It's the glass in the pest box soundproof they specifically use. Yeah,

1799
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 8: like you can't really hear the crowd. You can't really

1800
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 8: hear it a lot feel it.

1801
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: It must be pretty thick.

1802
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 5: There was some of those playoff games in the palt

1803
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 5: like you could feel the press box shaking, but it's hard.

1804
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 8: To hear like kind of the just the roar of

1805
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 8: the crowd consistently, you don't, you just get it a

1806
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 8: little bit.

1807
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 5: They're gonna get on a red level for that. That's

1808
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 5: what the cool folks.

1809
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 8: When I get the cookies and the cupcakes, right.

1810
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: Paul from the Colony in New York wants to know

1811
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: has Jimmy g Ever actually started against the Patriots? If so,

1812
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: what did it look like and what were the results The.

1813
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 9: Niners kicked their butts?

1814
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 8: Was that yeah twenty twenty?

1815
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 9: Yeah I think so, yeah, yeah, twenty twenty. And I

1816
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 9: think in that game is like average depth of target

1817
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 9: was like three yards, like it was all to remember.

1818
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 9: It was like the screens and the the like, you know,

1819
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 9: freaking them out. Jet sweeps and things. Yeah, I want

1820
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 9: to see.

1821
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: Somebody wrote an email the other day I can't find it,

1822
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: but they were wondering how much Bill really does miss

1823
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 1: Ernie Adams and Dante Scarnecki. You like, how much is

1824
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: that really affecting this team?

1825
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's my dad, say, my dad's a text text

1826
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 8: to me that out of the blue es you know, realized.

1827
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 5: I just realized.

1828
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 8: And when they asked them about it yesterday. I mean,

1829
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 8: it's you know, I think it's It certainly doesn't help.

1830
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 8: I mean, how many coaches do you know or have

1831
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 8: coaches that you've played for that just kind of have

1832
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 8: confidants that you know, maybe don't have a huge coaching

1833
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 8: role on the team, but are vital to the head

1834
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 8: coach for you know, bouncing ideas off of and giving

1835
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 8: them a little bits of insight and stuff. I mean,

1836
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 8: I think it's it's definitely. I mean, even if it's

1837
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 8: I mean it's Ernie, it's Ivan Fears, it's Dante Scarneki,

1838
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 8: it's I mean, there's just so many guys and you know,

1839
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 8: but at this point, though, you're starting to develop another

1840
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 8: little bit of a core. I mean, at least on

1841
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 8: the defensive side.

1842
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: Of the ball with guys like remember that wasn't he

1843
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: also assistant head coach.

1844
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 5: A little bit?

1845
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1846
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Dante Is is still more involved than yeah,

1847
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 9: than we know.

1848
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 10: Okay, that's all I feel like, Ivan, I see, might

1849
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 10: as well be taking.

1850
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: I've been coming here. It's like the guy that every

1851
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: walks to the park every day. It's on the park bench.

1852
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 1: It's what it's like.

1853
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 8: He just determined his own hours now.

1854
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: And watches lunch.

1855
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 9: I would I would like to think that that Ivan

1856
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 9: is getting paid. I mean, he's here all the time.

1857
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 9: Like I hope he's not doing it.

1858
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what he likes to do, you know. Like

1859
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: I said, he's the guy that goes to the park

1860
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: and feeds the pigeons every day.

1861
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 9: You know, I'm not holding it against him. I just

1862
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 9: hope that he work keeps you young. Some money should

1863
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:02,759
Speaker 9: get paid.

1864
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 1: Though, Anthony says, don't you think possibly the reason that

1865
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 1: they take long shots on third down in short is

1866
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: because the other team is probably playing the short routes

1867
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: and we have no choice but to try to trick

1868
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: teams to get the big plays downfield. Nobody on this

1869
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: team wins, uh the matchup something something one on one

1870
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: when it's first and ten, So let's fool them and

1871
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: go deep on third down and short.

1872
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 8: You just got to hit them. Though they don't hit them.

1873
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 8: I mean they take take those shots. But I mean

1874
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 8: you're probably right.

1875
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 5: I'm not an anti shot just like they have to

1876
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 5: be better at it, Tequila. I hate shots now.

1877
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 9: I just think like the notion to me that teams

1878
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,799
Speaker 9: are defending the Patriots on third and three at the sticks,

1879
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 9: but they're not defending Kansas City. I like, if it's

1880
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 9: third and three, like you're you're trying to not give

1881
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 9: up a first down. So yes, there's obviously like some

1882
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 9: nuance there, but I don't think it's like revolutionary to

1883
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 9: a because third and three, they're probably not going to

1884
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 9: give you the four yard route. Like that's that's football, right,

1885
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 9: Like that that seems obvious to me.

1886
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see Richard from New York City, big fan

1887
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: of the show. Assuming Craft fires Belichick or there's a

1888
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: mutual parting of the ways in Girrawd Mayo is the

1889
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: next in line to be the head coach. What are

1890
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts of him surrounding himself with the offensive coordinator

1891
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: and defensive coordinator that are aligned with the way the

1892
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 1: NFL game operates today, with an emphasis on offense and speed,

1893
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: while Mayo is more like the chief executive than running

1894
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: either side of the ball during the game. So in

1895
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: other words, he's the head coach, but he's not the

1896
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: coordinator of either side. He really rests, really leans on

1897
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: two experts. Assuming that there is an entire house cleaning

1898
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: of the Belichick staff and era except Mayo, does this

1899
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 1: count as a clean slate and break from the Belichick era?

1900
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 5: It might.

1901
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm just torn because I'm with everybody on

1902
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 8: the panel that says, like gott to try to find

1903
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 8: the next offensive whiz kid, and that would be the

1904
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,560
Speaker 8: ideal situation. But I also just feel like I know

1905
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 8: Gerard a little bit now, and I feel like it

1906
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 8: would be really good for us generally content wise, and

1907
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 8: I like him, and and you know, I think he

1908
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 8: would be a good coach. But it's just the it's hard.

1909
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 8: You know, like every coach, if you fire Parcels, you

1910
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 8: bring in Pete Carroll, you fire Peek Carey, you know,

1911
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 8: you're always kind of going the opposers, you know, right area, right,

1912
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 8: And it's probably also the same with offensive and defensive

1913
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 8: side of the ball a little bit, you.

1914
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Know, Speaking of that same topic, Girod writes in but

1915
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: it's from Vermont from the practice field now, he says,

1916
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley laugh out loud. The twenty twenty four staff.

1917
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Not that I want it, but I know what will happen,

1918
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: will be the head coach Mayo o c O'Brien in,

1919
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Covington garaf You don't want to guarantee.

1920
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 5: If you don't want it to happen, why would you

1921
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 5: even bring it up, laugh out loud and have anything.

1922
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 5: It's not trying to predict what's going to happen.

1923
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: That's what he's doing. He's predicted what's going.

1924
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 5: I mean, anybody could do that.

1925
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 8: And just reading new I wonder Evan if he was

1926
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 8: more elo welling. It's just the thought of them bringing

1927
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 8: in someone.

1928
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 9: Well, so I don't mean to add that's that's why

1929
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 9: I brought up Oh yeah, yeah, I mean to ad

1930
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 9: him on the radio. But Alex from pr usc Grad, yeah,

1931
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 9: a fight on. I asked him yesterday. He laughed in

1932
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 9: my face. He was like, have you seen Lincoln Riley's house?

1933
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1934
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 5: In la h.

1935
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 9: He was like, do you think do you think that

1936
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 9: that man is moving from Los Angeles and his like

1937
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 9: ten million dollar mansion on the beach till it depends if.

1938
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 5: He wants to be a coach in the NFL.

1939
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 9: Well, So the reason why I brought up Lincoln Riley

1940
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 9: is because he did an interview with the LA Times

1941
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,600
Speaker 9: and he's gotten really close with Sean McVay, you know,

1942
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,839
Speaker 9: being out there in in LA together. And he mentioned

1943
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 9: that the the you know, the schedule for a college

1944
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 9: coach is so much different than the schedule for an

1945
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 9: NFL coach. And he feels like it's easier to be

1946
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 9: an NFL coach because you're not recruiting in the off season,

1947
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 9: you know. He when you're in college coach, then you

1948
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 9: your season finishing and then you go on the recruiting

1949
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 9: trail to try to get the next class in and

1950
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 9: you have to do all that whole pomp and circumstance.

1951
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 9: And he was saying, you know, NFL coaches have a

1952
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 9: lot more you know, time off and downtime in the

1953
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 9: off season to just kind of chill. And so when

1954
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 9: I heard that, I was like, that kind of sounds

1955
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 9: like a guy that might be looking to go to

1956
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 9: the NFL.

1957
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 8: You know we've got mansions here.

1958
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 1: Come on, rush. Reports are coming out that Jerry Judy's

1959
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: on the trade block. Would you still trade for him

1960
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,560
Speaker 1: or would you start fresh in the off season. I

1961
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 1: would do the trade. Maybe that would boost Max confidence

1962
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: and bring some kind of life to the offense. Probably

1963
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: won't happen, but I'll get my hopes up anyway.

1964
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 5: Like you have to re sign, you have to do

1965
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 5: I'm not interested. I would definitely try, and it has

1966
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 5: nothing to do with Max confidence, Like I'm not I'm

1967
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 5: kind of over that. Not to sound like Tamara, I'm

1968
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 5: over that.

1969
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 9: I just feel like with Jerry Judy, uh well, first

1970
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,560
Speaker 9: of all, like f them picks, Like I just I

1971
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 9: feel like it's so ridiculous how much we value picks,

1972
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 9: especially like you know, not first round picks.

1973
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 5: Right, So if you want to that's what I'm saying,

1974
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 5: If you want to be signed him, I think he's

1975
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 5: better than a pick, yeah, and take it.

1976
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's twenty four, So if you're you're not giving

1977
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 9: up a first for him. No one's given up a

1978
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 9: first for him. So if he comes in this year

1979
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 9: and the rest of the year still looks the same,

1980
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 9: and Max still is not good and you're moving on, Like,

1981
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 9: what difference does it make if Jerry Judy is under

1982
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 9: contract to catch pass from Drake may or he's under

1983
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 9: contract to passes from Mac Jones.

1984
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 5: Nothing? Yeah, so that difference.

1985
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 9: He's a good player, that's much better than anything that

1986
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 9: you have. And whether it's this quarterback or it's the

1987
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 9: next quarterback, it's going to benefit that quarterback to have

1988
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 9: Jerry Judy on the team. So I don't understand what

1989
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 9: we're even talking about. I'm really frustrated by this. I

1990
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 9: did because people are like, how could they give up

1991
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 9: picks what they need good players? Like what difference does

1992
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 9: it make? So, like you know, Marty Mapu and Jake Andrews,

1993
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 9: like that's that's a better route of holding onto the

1994
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 9: picks than to trade for a receiver that you desperately need.

1995
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 9: It's just like all these draft picks. It's everybody thinks

1996
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 9: that they're going to turn every single draft pick into his.

1997
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: Point point to Paul's point, if you use the draft

1998
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: picks for quantity, that's fine, but you got to sign

1999
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: him long ter, right.

2000
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know that, right, Yeah, he's playing out

2001
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 5: the office now right. No, No, they picked up his

2002
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 5: picked up, so it's not his last year. Then he

2003
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 5: has another year.

2004
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 9: Says the Brandon Cooks year for him.

2005
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 5: Okay, So now I'm more interesting because now I have

2006
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 5: a whole year and a half to sign him.

2007
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and we have less than half an

2008
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: hour to get through all of these picks. So yeah,

2009
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: all what happened last week?

2010
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 5: It's a tough week. Yeah, tough week for most. Alex

2011
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:55,600
Speaker 5: and Paul eight and six, that's the best, Evan and

2012
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 5: Fred five and nine oh five, and in between was

2013
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 5: my gets six and eight. I read that.

2014
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 1: Awful. That is downright bad.

2015
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 5: I told you it was a tough for most. With

2016
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 5: the spread Paul eight five and one, followed by Fred

2017
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 5: at six seven and one, Mike and Alex at five

2018
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 5: eight and one, and and.

2019
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 9: Evan hasn't been a good year for me three above.

2020
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 8: Ten and one losing money.

2021
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 5: So as as most predicted, you know back in September,

2022
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 5: the gap is closed rather quickly. Fred fifty and twenty eight,

2023
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 5: Paul forty eight and thirty just two games behind now

2024
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 5: Mike and Alex forty seven and thirty one, Evan forty

2025
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 5: five and thirty three with the spread same Fred forty three,

2026
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 5: thirty three and two. Paul won thirty five and two

2027
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 5: again catching up made that nine game down to two

2028
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 5: in a hurry. Let's see Mike and Alex thirty eight,

2029
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 5: thirty eight and two and Evans the only one below

2030
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 5: water thirty six, forty and two.

2031
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: All right, I think it's gonna be tough week.

2032
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 8: I'm really gonna lock in today.

2033
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, your deuce is lock it in, ready

2034
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: to go. At his notes notes, I have.

2035
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 9: Not looked at a single game on this slater.

2036
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 5: Full disclosure. Paul has never looked at the game before

2037
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 5: the Thursday. That tool, that's how you do it. I

2038
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 5: don't all right tonight randomly, no crap, that's useless.

2039
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 1: Eight point fifteen on Prime Video. The one in four

2040
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 1: Broncos are at the four and one Chiefs.

2041
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 5: The Chiefs by eleven eleven.

2042
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 8: The Taylor Swift game, and it seems like Kelsey's okay,

2043
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 8: his ankle's okay.

2044
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 5: He came back in the game last week, and damn the.

2045
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: Game is in Kansas City.

2046
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 8: Believe it or not, it's not good. I gotta go

2047
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 8: Kansas City on this one. And yeah, I'm gonna I'm

2048
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 8: gonna lay those points, they're Denver's defense is wretched retweet who.

2049
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 16: Keeps both ways.

2050
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 9: I'll do the same, but I don't feel great about it.

2051
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 8: Eleven.

2052
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.

2053
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 9: Division gets too big a number.

2054
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't like laying that much in a Thursday

2055
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 5: night game, but I'm going to because of what Mike said.

2056
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 5: I think Denver's defense is really bad.

2057
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you think about I'm the same way.

2058
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 1: What did you think about Sala at the end of

2059
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,839
Speaker 1: the game saying stay humble to Peyton And did Peyton

2060
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 1: in the moment understand what he was saying.

2061
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 9: Some people say that he was saying stay healthy, So

2062
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 9: there's some conflict on whether.

2063
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 8: And what exactly the Liberators that's the perfect like postgame coach,

2064
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 8: nothing things stay healthy, but.

2065
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 5: That I was gonna say, that's a very common thing,

2066
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 5: you know, stay healthy man.

2067
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that makes more sense, right, because if you

2068
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: said stay humble, that's because you've just been humbled. Yeah,

2069
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: that's a shot, you know, like no more. Nathaniel Hackett comments,

2070
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 1: clack it, Yeah, Nate Dogg, that makes more sense if

2071
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: he says stay healthy. All right. Sunday morning, nine thirty

2072
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: am Eastern time, the three and two Ravens are at

2073
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: the two and three Titans in London, and I guess

2074
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 1: the Ravens stayed the whole week or are staying the

2075
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: whole week out in London. They didn't just go like

2076
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: today or tomorrow. They've been there like Jacksonville.

2077
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ravens by four and a half.

2078
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 8: Four and a half. Yeah, I hate to turn my

2079
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 8: back on Tennessee, but they've been killing me lately, and

2080
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with Baltimore. I'll lay the points me too.

2081
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 9: I like Baltimore. I like them to cover as well.

2082
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a little tired of losing with Mike Rabel,

2083
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna take Baltimore and I will take the points.

2084
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 5: I will take Tennessee to cover with field goal.

2085
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: I think the Titans will make it a close game

2086
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 1: and have a good showing in the UK, but Ravens

2087
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: win all right. One o'clock. The two and three Commanders

2088
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 1: are at the three and two Falcons.

2089
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 5: Falcons by two and a half.

2090
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 8: It's kind of a tough one here, but I think

2091
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with the Commanders here

2092
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 8: and uh yeah, I'll take those points on the road.

2093
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 9: Me too.

2094
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 1: I'll also pick that upset.

2095
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2096
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 16: Commanders have been good to me this year.

2097
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,679
Speaker 1: If you pick the Commanders, you're not taking the points, right.

2098
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 5: No, no, no, but yes, understand they're underdogs, right, you

2099
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 5: don't need to take points.

2100
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: If they win, you win.

2101
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 5: Took them out right, right, you took them out right.

2102
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 5: I was just you know, I got it. It's very

2103
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 5: clear when you said it. I get it.

2104
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 9: I gotta take some chances, take some some risks to

2105
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 9: get back. I'm going to take the Falcons because these

2106
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 9: two are taking everybody else.

2107
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 16: You should be mooching off what Mike and I are doing.

2108
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll take the falc them just because I think

2109
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 5: they're better at home.

2110
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: This is a tough one. I'm tempted to take the

2111
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Commanders in an upset, but the Falcons I was wrong

2112
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,759
Speaker 1: in them last week, so I'm not gonna I'm gonna

2113
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 1: say that they are a better team than I think

2114
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: they are. They're gonna win the game and cover all right.

2115
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 1: One o'clock, one in four, Vikings are at the one

2116
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: and four.

2117
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 5: Bears Minnesota, Minnesota by two and a half.

2118
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:36,560
Speaker 8: No, justin Jefferson, Jefferson, that makes me, That makes me

2119
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 8: really wonder man, I'm gonna take Chicago. I'm gonna take

2120
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 8: Chicago at home.

2121
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 16: Have the Bears won a game yet?

2122
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2123
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:43,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, they beat the Commander.

2124
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 1: They broke what a fourteen game losing streak or something like.

2125
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 8: That, they had one since they won here.

2126
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: Home?

2127
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 16: Dogs too?

2128
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: Why not?

2129
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 5: Eh?

2130
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 16: No, never mind Vikings really Yeah?

2131
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.

2132
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 9: I was about to dare you.

2133
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 8: I can guess.

2134
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go with the second guests.

2135
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 9: I'm going with the Bears. I wonder if Minnesota similar

2136
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:07,560
Speaker 9: to the Patriots, Like, are they letting go of the

2137
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 9: rope there in Mini?

2138
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 13: No?

2139
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 9: Justin Jefferson one and four, I'm taking the Bears.

2140
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't do it. I'll take the.

2141
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: Vikings Da Bears. I'm taking the Bears. One o'clock. Three

2142
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 1: and one. Seahawks are at the two and three.

2143
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 5: Bengals Cincinnati by three.

2144
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: Oh.

2145
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 8: I'm surprised at that, all right, as I am, Jamar Chase.

2146
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 5: But like which way? I didn't think itither be a

2147
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 5: bigger spread or smaller.

2148
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be like at one point either way.

2149
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 5: But three you thought to be a smaller.

2150
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, interesting game. I mean, I think Seattle has been

2151
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 8: stacking some good dbs in their backfield to deal with

2152
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 8: with Cincinnati's passing attack. But I'm gonna take Cincinnati at

2153
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 8: home as they continue to get hot after their horrific start.

2154
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 8: I will lay the points.

2155
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 10: Cincinnati and the points just.

2156
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: Like Joe Burrow.

2157
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 9: You're right, I do.

2158
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 8: Oh you mean her?

2159
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 16: Okay too, he's too young for me.

2160
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 8: It's okay.

2161
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 9: I like Cincinnati both ways, like them to cover in

2162
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 9: this game. Ten o'clock body clock game for the Seahawks,

2163
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 9: ten am, early morning for them.

2164
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 5: That's tough.

2165
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 8: I could play in the morning there, do you go?

2166
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 8: I think I'd be good my body clock.

2167
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 9: I was the total opposite.

2168
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 5: It was like a three in the afternoon game.

2169
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 8: My coach was like the.

2170
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 9: Before school practices. I was yacking six am.

2171
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. I will take the Bengals as well. I think

2172
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 5: they finally showed some signs of snapping out of it.

2173
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 1: As always f the Bengals Seahawks both ways, which is.

2174
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 5: Also the biggest reason why Paul is catching up.

2175
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 1: Sunday at one, the five and forty nine Ers are

2176
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 1: at the two and two.

2177
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 5: Browns winers by seven.

2178
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2179
01:40:55,840 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 8: I was gonna say that's that's gotta move right, I'm

2180
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 8: going to take San Francisco. Just really impressed with them

2181
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 8: as a team on both sides of the ball. And

2182
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 8: uh and I'm gonna lay the points to is it?

2183
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 5: Who is it? As anybody knowlf Watson is playing.

2184
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,560
Speaker 9: I don't think so, No, it doesn't sound like it.

2185
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 5: So I'll take San fran my own five fantasy team,

2186
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 5: continuing to take hits.

2187
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, San Francisco.

2188
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 10: San Francisco minus.

2189
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 9: Seven, forty nine ers win, forty nine ers cover. That

2190
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 9: team is a wagon.

2191
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Could they go seventeen and zero? It's possible, Like, who's

2192
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 1: gonna be?

2193
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 16: What do they have left to play?

2194
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 1: They need injuries.

2195
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:35,759
Speaker 5: Philadelphia is on the schedule.

2196
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: Okay, that could be a tough game Patriots.

2197
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean there's twelve games left. There's a

2198
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 5: lot of injuries. I will take the Niners both.

2199
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 8: Christian McCaffrey is not Yeah, take I'm going to take the.

2200
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: Niners as well. What's Deebo Samuel's contract situation. I don't know.

2201
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 8: We could probably kidnap him if you want.

2202
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 9: That's why he's not going anywhere.

2203
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 5: Sunday in two years when he's done.

2204
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 3: How many of us would it take to abduct him?

2205
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 1: Sunday at one and are at the two and three Texans.

2206
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 5: New Orleans by one by one.

2207
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 8: Nice win last week for New Orleans. They're back on

2208
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 8: the road again, though not that very far of a

2209
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 8: trip I'm gonna take. I'm gonna i gonna go with

2210
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 8: New Orleans. I thought they looked pretty good last week,

2211
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 8: and especially on defense. So I'll take New Orleans and

2212
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 8: lay the point.

2213
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 5: Wow dead the other. It's a killer on the round.

2214
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 10: I'll I'll go with New Orleans just to move it

2215
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 10: on to Evan.

2216
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 8: That's like a coin flip.

2217
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 9: I'll go at the Saints. I saw enough last week

2218
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 9: for them. I don't know. I like what the Texans

2219
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 9: are building down there, though they're scrappy.

2220
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a coin flip game. I'm just gonna

2221
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 5: go with the home team for that reason only. I'll

2222
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 5: take Houston.

2223
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Usually when a team beats the Patriots, to say, you know,

2224
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: they just won their Super Bowl, so they're gonna have

2225
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: a letdown. Now, you say, now, they say they won

2226
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 1: their preseason game game, so they're learning. Uh, That's why

2227
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: I think the Saints.

2228
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,679
Speaker 10: The Saints had a big night at Club dub.

2229
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: After the game.

2230
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 10: I was like walking by to get to our postgame pressers,

2231
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 10: and I could hear what was going on in there,

2232
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 10: and I was like, I am gonna linger because this

2233
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 10: sounds fun. And I hear what comes out of they

2234
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 10: have like they had a disco ball in there.

2235
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 8: It's fun.

2236
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 5: Someone should have made me aware of this.

2237
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. It's on the social media. I'm taking

2238
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: the Saints. Sorry, one o'clock, the three and two Colts.

2239
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is out. I are and against the three

2240
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:44,640
Speaker 1: and two Jaguars.

2241
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 5: Jacksonville by foe four.

2242
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 8: This is Jacksonville fashion game back on State Soil. I'm

2243
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 8: gonna go with Trevor Lawrence against the banged up.

2244
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 1: State side state side.

2245
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, to win, Jaguars to come to but kind of

2246
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:06,719
Speaker 8: rolled his eyes. Shut your mouth, stolen Valor.

2247
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:11,560
Speaker 9: I'm gonna take Jaguars and I'm gonna take the No,

2248
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 9: you know, I'm gonna take the Colts three point game.

2249
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 9: Jaguars win but Colts cover.

2250
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 5: Yes, I would agree with Evan. I'm gonna do the same.

2251
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 5: I don't think they lose much with quarterback with Minshew,

2252
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 5: so I think he'll keep it close. But Jacksonville wins.

2253
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna split the baby as well. Jaguars win,

2254
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 1: but they do not cover.

2255
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

2256
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Sunday at one, the ozero and five Panthers, we need

2257
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:39,759
Speaker 1: them to get a win against the four and one.

2258
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 5: Dolphinshi emybody thirteen and a halfesh.

2259
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 8: Wow, you know I'm developing a theory a little bit

2260
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 8: about Miami that that they got to get home field advanage.

2261
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 8: I think they were just really hard to beat at home.

2262
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,680
Speaker 8: But I just wonder on the road elements winner, like

2263
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 8: maybe that'll slow them down a little bit. But this

2264
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,759
Speaker 8: is a home game for them. I'm gonna take Miami

2265
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 8: and I'm gonna lay all them points.

2266
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: I'll take the Dolphins.

2267
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 16: I'm gonna give them the points too.

2268
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 9: I'm gonna take the Dolphins. I am tempted to say

2269
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 9: the Panthers can cover that spread though when you really

2270
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 9: think about it, Yeah, when you really think about it,

2271
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 9: be honest, all right, Yeah, Dolphins both ways.

2272
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm taking Miami both ways too. I just think

2273
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 5: it's tough for you know, a young quarterback to keep

2274
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 5: up in a situation like that.

2275
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go Dolphins both ways. I you know,

2276
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:39,480
Speaker 1: talk about tanking. I think the Panthers might be like Okay.

2277
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 8: Let's just get another one.

2278
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: Let's just go for another one. Let's just go for it.

2279
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 8: You get that receiver and that first pick.

2280
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 5: Team, Yes, you want to fill them in? What say

2281
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 5: that again? Fred?

2282
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 1: They I think they're gonna tank the Panthers for what

2283
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: for the first pick?

2284
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 9: They don't have their own pick.

2285
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 1: They don't have their own they don't have a first.

2286
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 5: Round Remember, don't remember when you did this to me yesterday.

2287
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 8: Who knew this was going to be your best piece

2288
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 8: of information?

2289
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:04,960
Speaker 3: I was.

2290
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 9: I was like, already the next game. I was looking

2291
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:10,560
Speaker 9: at the next game. And no, it's sad, but you

2292
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 9: know how much I know they don't have to order

2293
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 9: right now.

2294
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 1: But they don't have a pick in the first round.

2295
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 5: No oh No, I would also say they have no

2296
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 5: reason to tank. They just took the number one pick

2297
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 5: in the draft.

2298
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: But now they want to build around him. You know,

2299
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2300
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 5: I mean, they're going to be able to do that

2301
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 5: whether they tank or not, you know, if they had

2302
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 5: a first round right.

2303
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 1: But they don't. So, but I'm saying now it's all

2304
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: screwed up.

2305
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,719
Speaker 5: They're not taking a quarterback anyways.

2306
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 1: I didn't think they would, but I think you know,

2307
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: you go for Marvin Harrison June.

2308
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 5: So since then you'll be able to get that.

2309
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 9: Since some of our audience cares you had to pick,

2310
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 9: you don't have to.

2311
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 5: They don't have that.

2312
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 1: My point is you don't have to tank for that,

2313
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 1: right so then so then they're not tanking, so but

2314
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:53,559
Speaker 1: they're still not bad.

2315
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 9: Still some of our audience cares about this. All right,

2316
01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 9: So here's the draft order as of right now. Chicago,

2317
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 9: Chicago because they have Carolina's pick, So Chicago, Chicago, Denver, Minnesota,

2318
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,879
Speaker 9: and then Patriots at five.

2319
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 1: Right now, right now as it stands as okay, all right,

2320
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: now we move. We're moving over the four oh five game.

2321
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 1: There's only one four oh five game, and that is

2322
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: our Patriots, So we're gonna skip that. We're gonna go

2323
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: to four to twenty five Detroit Tampa. That's a four

2324
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:30,759
Speaker 1: to twenty.

2325
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:31,759
Speaker 8: Five oh sorry minus.

2326
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're gonna go to four twenty five where

2327
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: the four and one Lions are at the three and

2328
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: one Buccaneers.

2329
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 5: Then to defend Mike. I'm not positive, but I believe

2330
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 5: this was the first game that was flexed. That Detroit

2331
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 5: Tampa game was moved from one to four to twenty

2332
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,679
Speaker 5: five two weeks ago. I think I'm okay.

2333
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 8: I didn't. I didn't take it too hard.

2334
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:51,600
Speaker 5: I could be.

2335
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 1: But according to NFL dot com, this is a four

2336
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 1: to twenty five game. The four and one Lions are

2337
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: at the three and one Buccaneers.

2338
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 5: Dittois by three. That's really six.

2339
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 8: Detroit is hot, hot, hot, even though it's not. Yeah,

2340
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 8: I think Tampa Bay is is still has a pretty

2341
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 8: good defense. I think they'll be a pretty good test

2342
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 8: for Detroit. But I gotta take the road road faves

2343
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 8: and taking the Lions.

2344
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:19,920
Speaker 3: I like the Lions a lot.

2345
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 9: Do you like their offensive coordinator a lot? Yeah, yells

2346
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:29,200
Speaker 9: at kids at school, plays just asking for no reason whatsoever,

2347
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 9: Watch my kid.

2348
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 10: I need to do more research before I come to

2349
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 10: that conclusion, because that could either be funny to me

2350
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 10: or mean. But I think I'm going to pick the

2351
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:41,639
Speaker 10: Bucks to cover in taking the Lion. Oh wait, yeah,

2352
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 10: I'm going to pick the Lions to win and the

2353
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 10: Bucks cover.

2354
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 9: At home with Alex, I think that the Lions win,

2355
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:50,800
Speaker 9: but it's a three point game, the Bucks cover, and

2356
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,600
Speaker 9: maybe the future head coach of the Patriots on the

2357
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 9: offensive coordinator there for the Lions.

2358
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:58,799
Speaker 5: I will take Detroit and I will lay the points.

2359
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 5: I think this is a reality check for the Bucks.

2360
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2361
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 1: Usually I like to see Mayfield bake, but I'm gonna

2362
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,200
Speaker 1: have the Lions covering in this game. I think they

2363
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 1: got something going here. Four five, the one in four

2364
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals are at the two and three Rams Rams by seven.

2365
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 8: All right, I'm gonna take the Rams to win, but

2366
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 8: I'm gonna take the points for Arizona. I think it'll

2367
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 8: be they've been playing tough and divisional game. Take those

2368
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 8: seven points.

2369
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 9: The Rams own the Cardinals. Correct.

2370
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 5: Oh no, I believe he.

2371
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 8: Didn't tell me that before. I maybe think you picked

2372
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:37,560
Speaker 8: the Rams. Oh right, okay, good, then leave it.

2373
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 10: I'm gonna make pick the Rams and pick the Rams

2374
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 10: to take the points. I haven't seen much either of

2375
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 10: these teams, though, so this.

2376
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 9: Is just I'm going to do the same. I think

2377
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 9: the Rams are just a lot better than the Cardinals.

2378
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:53,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do too. I will take the Rams to win,

2379
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 5: but I I just have been impressed with how hard

2380
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 5: Arizona's played, so somehow maybe a backdoor cover. So I'll

2381
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 5: take the but I'll take the points as well.

2382
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 1: I could see that, but I think the Cardinals are

2383
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 1: tired now. They've been playing really hard, so I'm gonna

2384
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 1: take the Rams both ways, four to five. The five

2385
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 1: and zero Eagles are at the two and three Jets.

2386
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:18,520
Speaker 5: Iggles by seven.

2387
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:22,759
Speaker 1: At at New York. It's really New Jersey.

2388
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 10: So DraftKings right now has minus six and a.

2389
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 16: Half, so not much of a difference.

2390
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:31,640
Speaker 8: But I'm gonna take Philadelphia to win, and yeah, I'm

2391
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:33,560
Speaker 8: gonna I'm gonna lay those points. I do respect the

2392
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 8: Jets defense, but I think Philadelphia is gonna slowly start

2393
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 8: to pick up steam here Philly, Philly.

2394
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 9: I'm going to Philly Philly too. Statistically right now, the

2395
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 9: Jets defense not not doing so. I don't know if

2396
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 9: that's because they're pulling there all the weight by themselves.

2397
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 5: But smelling themselves they're upset about the way they've played.

2398
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 5: I am going to take Philadelphia to win the game,

2399
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 5: but I will take the points at home. The Jets,

2400
01:50:57,400 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 5: I think, came back from Denver feeling pretty good about them.

2401
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 5: I'd be surprised if they late a stinker.

2402
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 1: Yep, Philly Jets for me. Jets cover uh eight twenty

2403
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 1: and be sure. The one and four Giants are at

2404
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 1: the three and two Bills.

2405
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 5: Bills by fourteen. Oh boy good wow.

2406
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's I'm gonna take Buffalo to win. There

2407
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 8: is Brian Dable returns home with Daniel Jones. I'm gonna

2408
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 8: I'm you know what, I'm gonna take those points, too

2409
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 8: many points. I feel like maybe Brian Dable knows a

2410
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 8: little bit, maybe a little something at least keep it

2411
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 8: within ten. I'm gonna take take the points.

2412
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 16: I'm gonna take Buffalo both ways.

2413
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 9: I'm gonna take Buffalo, but I'm with Mike. I think

2414
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 9: Dabel might know a little thing or two about Josh Allen.

2415
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,720
Speaker 9: So I take the Giants to cover that fourteen and

2416
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 9: a half point.

2417
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 5: I I like the theory. I'm not gonna take it,

2418
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,760
Speaker 5: but I do like that theory about you're wrong. No,

2419
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 5: this is more because I think Buffalo is sort of

2420
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 5: established itself as they they slip up, they come back

2421
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 5: with a vengeance. They blow a team out, and that's

2422
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:09,200
Speaker 5: how they win because they don't generally win if it's close.

2423
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 5: So I'm going to take Buffalo to bounce back.

2424
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that I think the wise guys

2425
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 1: Sharps know something here. So Bills cover this game. They

2426
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 1: know something. Something's up here.

2427
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 8: A smell it, smell it.

2428
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2429
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 5: Sometimes you look at me.

2430
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want me to say, right,

2431
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: I just want to see if you're going to say something.

2432
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 5: Just no, one really knows what you're talking about. The

2433
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:42,720
Speaker 5: sharps know if you're a sharp, you know, trying to

2434
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,640
Speaker 5: insinuate that that's an odd spread for you. No, it's

2435
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:47,800
Speaker 5: it's it's one of the three worst teams in the

2436
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 5: league against one of the three best teams in the league.

2437
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:53,880
Speaker 1: And it's a big spread, biggest spread of the week, right.

2438
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like in Vegas, they usually have a big spread

2439
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:56,760
Speaker 9: in the press box.

2440
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was thinking about that spreads.

2441
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have a good, good spread, good spread. Eight

2442
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:09,679
Speaker 1: fifteen Monday Night on ABC, ESPN, ESPN Deportes and NFL Plus.

2443
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 1: Probably the three and two Cowboys are at the two

2444
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 1: and two Chargers.

2445
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 5: The Cowboys by two charges coming off a bye and

2446
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 5: what will feel like an incredible home game for Dallas.

2447
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 8: I'm sure, yeah, Dan, Dallas Scott shellacked last week. How

2448
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 8: do they rebound second straight game? California? Ah, this is

2449
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 8: a tough one. I'm gonna I'm gonna go I'm gonna

2450
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 8: go with the black. I'm gonna roll the dice with

2451
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:39,479
Speaker 8: the lack. Let's see if they can hold Serve at

2452
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,080
Speaker 8: home and keep Dallas down.

2453
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:44,880
Speaker 10: I'm gonna look for Dallas to bounce back.

2454
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 16: I'm gonna take Dallas with the points.

2455
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:50,680
Speaker 9: Dallas go home after this game or the San Francisco game,

2456
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:51,879
Speaker 9: or do they pull a Bill Belichick.

2457
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2458
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 8: Maybe they stayed in Santa Barbara feel they don't have

2459
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 8: that halfway.

2460
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 9: I don't know. Yeah, you're probably right, not that, not

2461
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,679
Speaker 9: as far as here. I'm gonna go Dallas, though.

2462
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 8: Well, they have the facility, they train in the Oxnar. Yeah,

2463
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 8: it's almost like convenient.

2464
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:08,639
Speaker 5: But sorry, I can't.

2465
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 9: I just can't trust the Chargers. I just can't trust

2466
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 9: that coaching Dallas.

2467
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 5: You're so right, I'm gonna take the lack. I know

2468
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 5: what's gonna happen. I know that they're gonna be in

2469
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 5: complete control of the game at some point, and I

2470
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 5: know he's gonna do something stupid late in the fourth quarter.

2471
01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 9: It's gonna go for it on fourth down and.

2472
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 5: Give Dallas a chance. And it's just a matter of

2473
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 5: whether or not Dallas takes advantage of the love the

2474
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:30,639
Speaker 5: last opportunity that they would gifted. But I'm gonna take

2475
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 5: the Chargers.

2476
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with what I want to happen here.

2477
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 1: It's the Chargers. I want the Charges to win.

2478
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 9: But fair enough, how sad is it that he can

2479
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 9: do that and like have better records, like you can

2480
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:44,839
Speaker 9: just be like if the Bengals, I'm taking the Seahawks.

2481
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,000
Speaker 5: And then, as you guys know, I tend to look

2482
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 5: at things from a negative perspective at times. It's sad

2483
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,919
Speaker 5: to me that he's no longer thinking about the Patriots.

2484
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 5: He's saying, what I want to happen is the AFC

2485
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 5: team to beat the RUE team.

2486
01:54:58,040 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: It's a good point.

2487
01:54:58,720 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 9: It's sad point.

2488
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 1: It's really sad reality though.

2489
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:03,879
Speaker 5: That should be a team that you're saying.

2490
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,320
Speaker 1: It's the Cowboys, though, I just I love it when

2491
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 1: they lose. The We go back now to four o

2492
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 1: five and they one and four Patriots visiting the two

2493
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 1: and three Raiders.

2494
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 8: Three Raiders by three. Ah These teams are very very

2495
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:28,960
Speaker 8: similar to me, and I'm gonna just go with the

2496
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 8: team with the better couple of players. At least, you know,

2497
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 8: it's enough for me after Adams and Crosby. Those two

2498
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 8: guys just tip the scales. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

2499
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 8: take Vegas and I'm gonna lay the points.

2500
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:47,360
Speaker 16: I want to be a company gal, but.

2501
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 10: Raiders twenty seven seventeen Wow, seventeen nice.

2502
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 9: So I also want to be a company man, be

2503
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 9: a company gal, company pal. But I think ultimately the

2504
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 9: Raiders have the weapons on offense that the Patriots don't,

2505
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 9: and I can't get over that that DeVante Adams and Jared,

2506
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:19,000
Speaker 9: Josh Jacobs and Jacoby and they just have too much.

2507
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 9: I think for the Patriots, I'm taking the Raiders twenty

2508
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 9: to fourteen. Both offenses have not really scored a whole

2509
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 9: lot of points, but I think that they make one

2510
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 9: or two more plays, one or two more plays than

2511
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:31,840
Speaker 9: you because of the talent.

2512
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:35,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I look at it very similar to everybody else.

2513
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:41,600
Speaker 5: Nineteen thirteen Raiders, just a little bit more offense for them.

2514
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 5: But I think it will be a lot of field

2515
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 5: goals because I don't see the either team being able

2516
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 5: to just sort of maintain their drives all the way through.

2517
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 5: So I think you'll see a lot of field goals.

2518
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 5: I like Daniel Carlson to bounce back after missing too

2519
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 5: last week.

2520
01:56:56,120 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 1: We started to show off trying to find glimmers of hope,

2521
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 1: this hope, where would it be? Didn't find any. You know,

2522
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 1: we talked about it, we tried to manufacture it.

2523
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 5: I don't even know who you are.

2524
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: Nothing we talked about, like, really, move the needle for me.

2525
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's the Raiders twenty four to eighteen and

2526
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 1: a half. Interesting somehow half there's a half point. It's

2527
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:19,320
Speaker 1: a weird game.

2528
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 5: If there's an offense that could generate a half a point, right,

2529
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 5: it's you a New England Patriot.

2530
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 1: Yes, somehow, somehow the Patriots become the first. There's a

2531
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 1: lot of historical things that they're doing this year, like

2532
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 1: losing eighty to nothing. So we've never seen an eight

2533
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 1: and a half a point game. I think we're going

2534
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 1: to see it this week. Winds because we are weird

2535
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:45,080
Speaker 1: rule that no one knew about. It took Yeah, I

2536
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 1: don't know. In other words, Raiders went sorry.

2537
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 5: That's what it has to story.

2538
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 1: So just remember it's better to have been at dynasty

2539
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 1: and fallen than never to have been a dynasty at all.

2540
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 8: You can put that up on the wall. Maybe that

2541
01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:58,240
Speaker 8: would that would help people.

2542
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 1: All Right, coming up, it is Catch twenty two with

2543
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 1: Evan and Alex. They're gonna dissect and analyze a lot

2544
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 1: more of this game coming up, and they'll probably get

2545
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 1: into college stuff and all that, you know, much to

2546
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:17,440
Speaker 1: Alex Evan's chagrin, but it's Alex, So all right, pregame show,

2547
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:23,440
Speaker 1: what time we're going one game, postgame show after that.

2548
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:28,040
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2549
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:32,960
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