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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number two oh six,

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited because today we are joined by Joel

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Speaker 1: Turner to discuss the mental side of archery and have

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Speaker 1: proven science based methodology for controlling your archery shop process

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Speaker 1: and dealing with target panic. All right, folks, welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Sitki Gear. And today in the show, we

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Speaker 1: are tackling the topic of target panic and control process

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Speaker 1: shooting when it comes to your archery process. I guess,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if you might remember if you

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Speaker 1: were listening to the podcast last year. Last summer, I

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Speaker 1: started talking about how I was going to start changing

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Speaker 1: brand new system and process for how I go through

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Speaker 1: that because I was realizing that I do have some

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Speaker 1: of these tendencies, like maybe something like punching the trigger,

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Speaker 1: some of these different target panic things, um that lead

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Speaker 1: to you know, not always having as perfect of a

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Speaker 1: shot as I would like. So many of the philosophies

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Speaker 1: and ideas that I started implementing into my own new

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Speaker 1: process came from this guy named Joel Turner, and that

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Speaker 1: is our guest today. Joel is a police officer and

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Speaker 1: firearms instructor, and he's the founder of shot i q,

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Speaker 1: which is a website that hosts a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: different online courses all about this topic of tackling target panic,

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Speaker 1: tackling different ways of getting control of your shot, just

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Speaker 1: becoming a better archer and bow hunter, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of this can be applied as well to firearms um

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Speaker 1: as well. So this is an interview that I already recorded,

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Speaker 1: so I know what happens. It's very, very, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Joel has talked to a lot of people over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years. He's kind of made the podcasting rounds.

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Speaker 1: So if you've heard some of these past podcasts, he's

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Speaker 1: been on The Gritty Billman Show, he's been on Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan's podcast, a handful of others. So maybe you've already

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Speaker 1: heard this whole deal, And if so, maybe you can,

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Speaker 1: you know, skip part of this if you're not interested

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Speaker 1: in kind of getting my perspective on it. But if

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Speaker 1: you're not familiar with this idea and this kind of

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Speaker 1: perspective on on dealing with how you shoot. I highly,

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Speaker 1: highly highly recommend hearing this. It's kind of change completely

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Speaker 1: how I approach shooting my bow, and I just really

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Speaker 1: really wanted to make sure that our audience heard this.

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Speaker 1: So Dan, I'm excited for you to listen to this

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Speaker 1: one because I know you've dealt with some of these

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Speaker 1: same things that I did, and I think this will

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Speaker 1: give you homework and tell you listen to this after

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Speaker 1: we publish it, and um and otherwise that's that's the

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Speaker 1: game plan for chi Zeppe today's episode. But I did

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Speaker 1: want to get you on here, Dan, at least for

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Speaker 1: the intro, because we haven't got to catch up in

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Speaker 1: a few weeks now. Um So, how the hell are you?

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Speaker 1: How the kids? How's the family? How's life? Oh? Dude,

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Speaker 1: life is life. It's crazy like everybody else's. Man, I

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Speaker 1: got we're potty training the oldest boy. The youngest is

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Speaker 1: now starting to teeth. Uh So, nights are pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: You know, no sleep weathered. I feel weathered all the time.

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Speaker 1: if that intro went any longer today's podcast, I probably

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Speaker 1: would have fallen asleep. That might be applying to everyone

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Speaker 1: listening not to see that might have been more my

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Speaker 1: I tell you what. Um, this this March has been

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Speaker 1: weekend as well this past weekend as well, back up

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Speaker 1: I I ended up with sixteen. How does that? How

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Speaker 1: what's all about. So in last week's episode, Ben, myself, Peter,

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Speaker 1: don't care what anybody says. My wife and I were

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Speaker 1: sixteen sheds, man, I'm at fourteen sheds of the year. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I know that further further strongly considering doing a

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Speaker 1: with a total number of a license sold of sixty thousand.

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Speaker 1: because it's I mean, it's not good overall, but it's

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Speaker 1: born with this skill. You you may be born with

428
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Speaker 1: a skill to make decisions, and that's the true skill,

429
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: is your decision making, funneling your determination. But there are

430
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Speaker 1: a lot of folks out there that are just trying

431
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: to do good, right, and that's not a plan for

432
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: how to do good, you know. So that led me

433
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: to all the research and all of the experimentation, and

434
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: being the lead firms instructor, I was able to experiment

435
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: on lots of recruits to actually formulate this science. And

436
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: I took certain classes and um advanced concepts and motor

437
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: learning and performance and figured out, you know, the control

438
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: systems that are in your mind and how that relates

439
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: to shooting. So it's just fascinating stuff and I get

440
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: to watch the transformation in every one of my clinics.

441
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: It's so cool to see. Can you drill in a

442
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: little bit more into the detail on how this stuff

443
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: manifests itself. You give one example of you know, how

444
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: the mind finds to be more efficient to hold off

445
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: and then jump to the target. That being one way,

446
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: but I know there's a handful of other ways that

447
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: this can kind of come out this core problem with shooting.

448
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: Can you can you share some more examples, are some

449
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: more detail around what this looks like. You know, what's

450
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: what's the problem or the actual physical experience that we

451
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 1: might be dealing with that we can now wrap our

452
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: head around and say, okay, yes, this is that problem. Right.

453
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: So it's natural for you to to to link motor

454
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: programs right between your trigger and being on target, because

455
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: that's what makes sense to your mind. When you first

456
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: shot your bow, right or whoever is out there right,

457
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: when you first shot your bow, you drew the bow back.

458
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: Let's say you're shooting a compound sites and release. You

459
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: went down to the shop, you bought a new bow.

460
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: They showed you how to use it, and the instruction

461
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: that you got was to draw back put your pin

462
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: on the target and then squeeze the trigger. Right. Well,

463
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: the first time you shot your bow, no problem. You

464
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: drew back and you put your pin on target and

465
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: squeeze the trigger, and you're very cognitive about it, because

466
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: that's how the mind learns. It's very cognitive at the

467
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: start any movement do. You learn very cognitive at this

468
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: art and then you practice, and you practice with the

469
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: goal of becoming automatic. That's how we practice, or how

470
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 1: we figure out how to swing a baseball bat, how

471
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: to throw a baseball, how to do pretty much any movement.

472
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: Our goal is automaticity. Right, So the first time you

473
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: did it, very cognitive, which pin on, squeeze the trigger.

474
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: And then you practice and you get more and more efficient.

475
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: So now you put your pin on, then you squeeze

476
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: trigger a little faster and you still get the same result.

477
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: So your mind's like, yeah, perfect, that this is exactly

478
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: the way we want to go. And then you get

479
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: to the point where you squeeze the trigger the instant

480
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: your pin gets on there and then you are locked

481
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: off the target and your mind jumps your pin to

482
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: the target and presses the trigger all at the same time.

483
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: It's more efficient, but it's not more accurate. And you

484
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: know the core problem shooting your mind will not allow

485
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: you to cause your body impact as a surprise rise.

486
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: So it starts to link these things. Right, You being

487
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: on target equals and explosion. That's why it won't let

488
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: you sit there. That's why it won't let your pins

489
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: sit on the target because being on the target has

490
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: been linked to this explosion. So it jumps you there

491
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: and you yank the trigger with pre ignition movements, right,

492
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: all of these movements happen just prior to the ignition

493
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: of the bow or you yanking the trigger. And that's

494
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: how it goes with all these things. You know, people

495
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: are locked off target, below the target, above the target,

496
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: to the sides of the target or there, you know,

497
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: if they're on it, like let's say they switched to

498
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: a hinge release or something like that, right, a hinge

499
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: or attention activated. I mean, if you really look at it,

500
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: the entire archery industry is built around target panic. If

501
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't, why would we need other releases. And when

502
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: you look at these releases, everybody usually starts with an

503
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: indet finger and then when they start, when they become

504
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: efficient with that, where they start punching the trigger. They

505
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: go to a thumb trigger and that works while they're

506
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: cognitive with that for about ten minutes, right, and then

507
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: they instantly start the learning process. And when they get

508
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: more efficient at that and they become automatic at that,

509
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: they start punching that trigger. Well, then somebody comes along

510
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: and tells them that they need a hinge release. Well,

511
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: the difference in the hinge release as you progress down

512
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: the line of releases, and that that line is index finger,

513
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: thumb trigger, hinge and then tension activated. As you run

514
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: down that line, you are relying more and more on

515
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: the release to make decisions for you. Right, very easy

516
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: to punch a trigger on index finger, a little bit

517
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: harder because your thumb is a little bit more stupid,

518
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: right in your thumb trigger. But then you get to

519
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: a hinge and there's this kind of a breakthrough for

520
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people, I mean most pro shoot a

521
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: hinge release because the movement is a heck of a

522
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: lot easier to evaluate because it's a longer movement. Right,

523
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: So they are able to now put their concentration into

524
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: their shot activation movement. And somebody told them along the

525
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: line that you can't that don't worry about your aim,

526
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: just watch it, right, and so, but the release starts

527
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: making decisions for you, and sometimes you may start punching

528
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: that hinge and it's very common, right, if you allow it,

529
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: if you allow the learning process to happen, you'll start

530
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: punching a hinge as well. And then you go to

531
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: attention activator release where you push the safety in drawback

532
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: safety off and then you pull and it's set to

533
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: a specific draw weight holding weight. Right, Well, that one

534
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: if you don't make a decision to pull or expand,

535
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: it's not going to go off. So it basically makes

536
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: the decision for you. So you know, that's where people

537
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: are at in these things that you see it locked

538
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: off target, punch and triggers, and it's this big progression.

539
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: If you're shooting a stick bow. You see these people

540
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: when they first start with stick bows, very simple, They

541
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: draw back to their anchor point, they aim, and then

542
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: they release a string. Well, that becomes much much more

543
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: efficient very quickly. So then you start to see them

544
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: let the string go to three in front of their face.

545
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: It's not more accurate, but it is certainly more efficient, right,

546
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: And then you see the same locked off target issues

547
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: with stick bows as well, and people, I mean, that's

548
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: that's where I was. Gosh, when I was fifteen, sixteen

549
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: years old, I had had to hold five six ft

550
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: over a target and then I would just simply dump

551
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: my bow into the target and release the string all

552
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: the same time. It was a nightmare. I mean, everybody

553
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: around the globe is dealing with the same issue, and

554
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of people think they're alone in it. Yeah,

555
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: they say, man, you're never gonna believe what I have

556
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: to do when in my shot, you know, my pins

557
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: not even on the target and it just kind of

558
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: jumps up there. Yeah, you're right along with everybody else,

559
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: myself included. And I feel like a lot of people too.

560
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: Well I might be um taking my own situation and

561
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: putting this on other people maybe, but I guess for

562
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: me in particular, I always thought I didn't have target panic,

563
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: because when I hear target panic, I would think or

564
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: the way I was defining that within my own head

565
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: was just insane buck fever, Like you're shaking so bad

566
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: you can't hold the pen at all, like and you're

567
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: just you're just sending that air off into the Netherlands

568
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: without even having any form of control. I thought, oh no,

569
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm not like that. I'm pretty in control. Um. But

570
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: I did have a tendency to rush shots. And when

571
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: I look back on it, you know, I had some

572
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: I had some kills something that ended up okay, and

573
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: that I had some misses, or I had a wound

574
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: once where I almost hardly could remember the moment. It

575
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: was like, especially the early kills. The first couple of

576
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: year I ever killed with the boat was like you

577
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: blacked out. You hardly knew what happened. And then as

578
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: I as I've gotten older and had more success, now

579
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: I I know what's going on. But I'll I can

580
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: look back at that moment and I can see as

581
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: soon as that pin hit the vital the vitals, I mean,

582
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: it was, it was off it. I didn't have any

583
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: time to think about it. I had it was. There

584
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: was no control over the moment in any former functional way.

585
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: It was just as soon as that pin was in

586
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: that spot, without even thinking about that trigger had been

587
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: punched and the arrow was away and I was dealing

588
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: with the consequences good or bad after that. But but

589
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: I still I still didn't call that target panic. I

590
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: was still thinking to myself I'm okay, Um, I don't.

591
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't slap the trigger or anything. And it wasn't

592
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: until this past summer. Um, I had a friend come

593
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: out and I had gotten a new boat, and I

594
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: couldn't get the new boat. I could not shoot consistently

595
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: with a new boat no matter what I did. And

596
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: it ended up being some equipment issues. Actually, there had

597
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: been some timing that was off, the rest had been

598
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: messed up, so there's a few different things that were

599
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: actually leading to some inconsistencies. But because I was having

600
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: all of those issues with the equipment, it was messing

601
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: with my head even more because I was trying to say,

602
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: what am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong?

603
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: So I kept on, will change this thing, change this thing?

604
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: So is my grip wrong and my anchoring the wrong

605
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: place and my you know? So it just messed me

606
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: up mentally even more than ever before. So that's why

607
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: I had this friend come over and just look at

608
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: what I was doing. He identified the equipment issues, but

609
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: then he also identified this mental issue and what he

610
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: had me do. And this is when I finally had

611
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: to come to terms of the fact that yes, Mark,

612
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: you have a problem. Um. It was he told me

613
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: to draw back and just pull the pin on the

614
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: bull's eye and don't well I think he told me,

615
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: just drawback, put your pin on there, and and what

616
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: tell me what you want to do. And as soon

617
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: as I went on there, my my finger like jumped

618
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: towards the trickerly. As soon as that pin hit the target,

619
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: I wanted to punch that sugar. I wanted to hit it.

620
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: And I've had other times where I've drawn back and

621
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: I had like almost a body convulsion, like where my

622
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: body wanted to start that process, but I stopped it.

623
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: Um And I'm like, jeez, what was that? And then

624
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: you realize, well, yeah, that was your body trying to

625
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: start this automatic shop process that you had no control over.

626
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: And so when my friend said, yeah, that that's target.

627
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: Panic man, that's that's not some one off thing, then

628
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: it was all of a sudden, this, ah, how okay,

629
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: there's something bigger here. And then it gave me kind

630
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: of permission to dive into this whole um other world

631
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: of of of learning out there, as far as learning

632
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: how to deal with this stuff, which led me to you.

633
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: Um So, I feel like a big first step for

634
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people is just like coming to terms

635
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: with Okay, yes, this thing I've been doing that is

636
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: target panic might so I think you've covered most different

637
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: examples of that. Is there anything else that we need

638
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: to make sure we understand just to help us define

639
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: whether or not we have this issue or if we

640
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: touched on everything there. Well, it's not a disease you

641
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: are born with. If you want to call it target panic,

642
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: you're born with it. It is your mind making you.

643
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it is completely against human nature to cause

644
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: and ignore an explosion. And your bow going off is

645
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: an explosion. You know. It may not be very loud,

646
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: but it is a sudden, uh, you know, explosion of

647
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: muscle contraction and expansion and all these things happening right

648
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: Your mind wants to brace you for that impact, even

649
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: though it's a small amount of impact. It wants to

650
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: brace you for it. And if you allow it to

651
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: do that, if you allow your subconscious to tell itself

652
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: when to release the string, you will always be the

653
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: victim of your own mind. You know, it's about being

654
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: in the process of the shot instead of being in

655
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: the results of the shot. But people are out there

656
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: and if they don't come to terms with this, they

657
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: are practicing their own failure with every shot that they

658
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: shoot as just a slightly uncontrolled shot, right, Like asking

659
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: yourself the question, while I was in the trigger press,

660
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: could I have stopped it anywhere within it? Right? And

661
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: most people cannot answer that in the affirmative. Most people

662
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: are going nope. Once I sent that motor program, that

663
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: bad boy was going, right. I'm talking about being in

664
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: the process and knowing how to get into the process,

665
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: And I don't want people to be out there practicing

666
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: their own failure. There's no reason for it. Right. But

667
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: that's essentially what you're doing with when you just go

668
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: to the range and you practice your shooting. If you

669
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: don't know a lot of these things, you are absolutely

670
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: practicing your own buck fever, right, because your system that

671
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: you have built of automatic movements is going to become

672
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: exponentially more efficient under an adrenaline load. So your controlled

673
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: shot does not live in your midbrain, which is where

674
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: you go to under an adrenaline load. You know. That's

675
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: why people black out and they don't understand what even happened,

676
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, So that's because their heart rate got high

677
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: enough to where they went into mid brain, which has

678
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: only has fight or flight training an experience. So if

679
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: your experience is this uncontrolled shot every time and you're training,

680
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: you have trained this uncontrolled shot, there's nothing in there

681
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: that's going to help you. You're not just going to

682
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: automatically find yourself working through a trigger perfectly. You know,

683
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: it's never just going to automatically happen. You have to

684
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: how to get yourself into that zone. So you know,

685
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: if people are wondering whether they have target panic or not,

686
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that, if you're a

687
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: human being, yes, you're dealing with good anticipation. It just

688
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: depends on how you deal with it, how much how

689
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: much pre ignition movement you have in your shot, because

690
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: people say, well, I'm I'm pretty good, right, and they

691
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: may they may kill quitters. But here's a question for you,

692
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: and for every successful, very successful bow hunter oute there

693
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: there is a pattern of success that I have found

694
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: with very successful shooters, be it in the sniper world

695
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: or in bow hunting, or just in hunting in general

696
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: with a rifle, and that is what do you say

697
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: to yourself during your shot, not before the shot, not

698
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: after the shot, but during your shot. And what you

699
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: will find is that every very successful bow hunter says

700
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: something within their shot, and there is science to that,

701
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: and we'll explain that in a little bit. But that's

702
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: a question for all your listeners out there. You know,

703
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: if you, if you are that very successful person, what

704
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: is it that you say to yourself during your shot?

705
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: And if you're not that successful person, is that what

706
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: you're missing? If you're trying to do it blank minded,

707
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: you are allowing the subconscious to run its own program.

708
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: And it's not there for accuracy. It's there to keep

709
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: you alive. It's there for efficiency. So something to think

710
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: about there. Yeah, and and in a second, I want

711
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: to better understand why those words are important. But before

712
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: we get to that, I want to rewind just a

713
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: tiny bit here. And let's say let's say that Joe

714
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: John Doe is listening to this and he here's what

715
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: we've been talking about and says, Okay, yes, I can

716
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: identify with this issue. I have some shot anticipation anticipation

717
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: issues or some target panic issues. Okay, yeah, this is me.

718
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: I want to fix it. What's what's step number one?

719
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: Where where do you begin? Joel? With someone like that

720
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: who is having this kind of issue. Take us from

721
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: the very beginning, and I'd like to walk through each

722
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: one of these steps from the mental side of things,

723
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: and then also like what you might physically be doing

724
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: or what or this all goes into, um where do

725
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: we start? I guess step number one is to find determination.

726
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: And that may sound weird, right, but everybody is looking

727
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: for a cure for target panic, and I have that cure. However,

728
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: you have to be determined enough to say to yourself

729
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: and to truly believe on this next shot, I will

730
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: shoot this shot perfectly or I will not shoot it

731
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: at all. That is a huge step. That is a

732
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: realization that I had to come to in firearms and

733
00:40:54,520 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: in archery, because until I made that that determination depth,

734
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: it was all for not right. People. People ask me

735
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: all the time, you know I've got target panic. You're

736
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: my last hope. All this stuff is your system gonna

737
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: work for me? And I tell them, no, it's not

738
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna work for you. You have to work for it.

739
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: My system is simply going to teach you how to

740
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: do the work right. But it all starts with determination

741
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: to make that original decision, you know, gaining the knowledge

742
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: of control process shooting, and then going okay, I know

743
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: exactly how to do this. I'm gonna shoot this next

744
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: shot perfectly, or I'm not going to shoot it at all. Right,

745
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you don't take any instruction, making

746
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: that original decision will set you in the process and

747
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: allow you to come to the realization that there's nobody

748
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: with a gun to your head making you shoot this shot. Right.

749
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: So if you say to yourself, like, let's say you're

750
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: locked off target, right, you're locked low, Man, I get

751
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: that thing that pins six inches from where I want it,

752
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: and then I just can't quite get it there, and

753
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: then it just kind of goes there and a punch

754
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: a trigger and I kind of black out, right, I

755
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: mean it's this, it's this mini blackout. So you know,

756
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: when you get to full draw and you haven't taken

757
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: any instruction, but you've made this original decision, I will

758
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: shoot this shot perfectly or I will not shoot it

759
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: at all, and you find yourself locked off the target

760
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: six inches, the first thing you gotta do is not

761
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: shoot that shot. Follow your decision, because you being locked

762
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: off target is not part of your process. Right, So

763
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: that pins six inches off the target, and you know

764
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: exactly what's going to happen because You've practiced that thousands

765
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: of times. That first time of drawing back and that

766
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: pin gets locked off there and you don't shoot it.

767
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: You let it down, right, you buck up a little

768
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: bit more determination, you draw back, and then you fight

769
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: that pin and you get it on that target without

770
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: working that trigger, right, and then you make another decision, right,

771
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: because as you were explaining marking your shot, you kept

772
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: shooting these shots. And what I call the critical second, right,

773
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: it's the one second in time after you believe the

774
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: aim is complete. That's when most people shoot their shot.

775
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: And if you shoot your shot in that critical second,

776
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: it will be controlled by what's called an open loop

777
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: control system, meaning a movement that's too fast for you

778
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: to stop, too fast for you to gain feedback within it,

779
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: meaning your trigger press is not going to be a press,

780
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a yank, right, So, and then you

781
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: have to deal with the consequences. So simply being able

782
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: to draw back and put your pin on the target,

783
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: and once that pin is on the target, saying something

784
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: to yourself like here I go, that brings you into

785
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: the present, brings you into the process and allows you

786
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: to get your finger on the trigger. And I mean

787
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna take your entire might to work through that

788
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: trigger slow enough that you could stop it anywhere within it, right,

789
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: And it's much more easily done with back tension than

790
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: by moving your finger, which is another you know, it's

791
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: another issue. But just making decisions is the first step.

792
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: And you've I think you've called you mentioned I think

793
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: you you mentioned this a second ago. Open versus closed

794
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: loop control systems? Can you can you dive into that

795
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more, like what's the difference between the

796
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: two and why it's important to, like you just said,

797
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: to have these decisions throughout. An open loop control system

798
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: is the control system that is the goal of your mind,

799
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: meaning you get to a point of automatic movement. In

800
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: an open loop control system, very simply put, the executive,

801
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: which is the brain, sends the motor program to the

802
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: effect or. The effector is what receives the motor program. Right. So,

803
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: like let's say you're talking about a an index finger trigger. Okay,

804
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: So on an index finger trigger, you draw back and

805
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: you put your finger on the trigger. The executive, the

806
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: brain sends that motor program to move your finger. Right,

807
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: your finger does that, but because it's open loop, it's

808
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: too fast. It's got no reason to gain feedback in it, right,

809
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: There's no reason to do that. So it then does

810
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: it at a rate that you can't stop. Well, when

811
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: you punch the trigger, I mean it's such a minute movement,

812
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: but you can watch the bow hands of most people

813
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: when they punch their trigger, their bow hand also moves right. Otherwise,

814
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: if it was a surprise, their bow would fly out

815
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: of their hand. Right. So that is a pre ignition

816
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: movement that is linked to your open loop motor program.

817
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean, in an open loop movement, you can have

818
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: all kinds of different movements linked to it, like blinking

819
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: your eyes, collapsing. All kinds of bad things can be

820
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: linked to an open loop trigger press right. So open

821
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: loop is the goal of your subconscious. It wants to

822
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: be automatic because that's more that's most efficient. Right. Closed

823
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: loop is completely different. Closed loop is a conscious movement.

824
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: That first time that you moved your finger through that trigger,

825
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you were cognitive about it, and somebody told you to

826
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: squeeze the trigger, press the trigger. So you're working through

827
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: that thing super slow at a rate that you could

828
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: stop it or gain feedback within the movement. Right. So

829
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: when you first started, you had to decide to do that. Okay,

830
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: my instructor told me, I've got to work through this

831
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: trigger super slow. So that's what I'm doing. That's you

832
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: making a decision to do that, right, But then you

833
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: practiced and that whole decision making process went away and

834
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: you became very efficient. So what I'm talking about is

835
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: being able to make a decision to come back to

836
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: the cognitive stage of learning. That's why it's so unnatural

837
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: for you to do this. It does not follow the

838
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: human model of learning. So what I'm telling people to

839
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: do is to for their shot activation movement, whatever that is. Like,

840
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: let's just say it's a trigger movement on an index

841
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: finger trigger your closed loop control system. You make a

842
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: decision and you decide to choose a slower motor program.

843
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: The brain, the executive sends that lower motor program to

844
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: the effect or same system as an open loop, but

845
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: now you're moving slow enough that it gets sent back

846
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: through what's called the comparator, the comparitors kind of the

847
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: feedback station. And now you're moving your finger, you're increasing

848
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: pressure on that trigger slow enough that the comparator can

849
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: say too fast mark or too slow mark, or it's

850
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: not moving Mark right, So you're able to evaluate your

851
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: movement within the movement. And when you see people shooting

852
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: back tension, that you see them shooting a hinge correctly

853
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: or an index finger trigger correctly. Their concentration is on

854
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: nothing other than the movement, the shot activation movement. It's

855
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: not on oh my god, Mark Kenyans watching me shoot

856
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: this error right, It's not on anything else. You can

857
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: only be you know, people say the conscious mind can

858
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: only do one thing at a time. Well, it can

859
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: only be in one closed loop at a time, is

860
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: what they really mean. So your entire world becomes this

861
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: shot activation movement, and it's slow enough that you can

862
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: gain feedback within it, and therefore you just stay in

863
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: that movement until it breaks. You don't know when it's

864
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: going to break, you don't care when it breaks. That's

865
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: how you get a surprise break in your shot. But

866
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: it requires decisions for you to even get there. You'll

867
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: never just find yourself automatically going back to a cognitive

868
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: stage of learning. And that's why it's so that's why

869
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: shooting is so different than any other sport, because in

870
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: any other sport, you know, automatic movements are the goal.

871
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: Shooting a free throw. For example, the definition of a choke.

872
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: When people choke on the game winning shot, it's because

873
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: they've shot open loop the whole time, like they're supposed to,

874
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: but on the game winning shot, they think about it

875
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more and they try their mind tries

876
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: to go closed loop. Right, Okay, I'm gonna win the

877
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: game with this free throw. I got to make sure

878
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: that I tilt my wrist this way when I shoot

879
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: the ball. And on those movements that are supposed to

880
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: be open loop, if you try to go close loop,

881
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: you kill the totality of the movement and therefore they

882
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: miss because it's Oh, I thought about it too much, right,

883
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: But that's not shooting. Shooting is completely different shooting and

884
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: shooting the closed loop control system is the one that

885
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: gives you the surprise break. That is the one that

886
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: allows you to be successful in a precision environment. That's

887
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: a really interesting comparison there, the two different because you

888
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: you would think that choking in some kind of high

889
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: pressure situation would be the same core issue. Um, but

890
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting to the two different sides of this. I

891
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: guess this dichotomy here. There there are movements that are

892
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: supposed to be open loop, Like most movements in your

893
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: life are supposed to be open loop, right, But there's

894
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: one movement in your life that can never be allowed

895
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: to be open loop, and that is a shot activation movement,

896
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: be that with a pistol, a rifle, a bow, a

897
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: stick bow, whatever it is, because you are causing an

898
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: explosion with that movement. Think about this way. If a

899
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: picture was pitching a baseball and they knew that if

900
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: that ball was going to explode six inches in front

901
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: of their hand only if they pitched it perfectly, They'd

902
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: never be able to pitch it perfectly because that movement

903
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: of them throwing the ball, there are movement would now

904
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: become an anticipated movement and it would have pre ignition

905
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: movements linked to it. Right. So it's that's why shooting

906
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: is so much different than anything else. Yeah, it's interesting

907
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: because I feel like so much of the advice out

908
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: there um when it comes to shooting, especially archery, UM

909
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of talk about trying to make

910
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: things automatic and that they shoot so much that you

911
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: get this muscle memory and that you don't even need

912
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: to think about it. It's all get that muscle memories.

913
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: You don't want to think about it at the moment,

914
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: and so that as a kid growing up, that's what

915
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I learned. But you know, when you start to look

916
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: at things the way you're you're talking about them, it

917
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense why that leads to significant issues? Right?

918
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, why is it that people shoot for fifty

919
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: years and never get any better? They never get more accurate,

920
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: they only get more efficient, right, So it's uh, that's

921
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: why shooting, like I said before, is so much different

922
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: than anything else. Yeah. So so okay, so we need

923
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: to first make that determination that we're going to get

924
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: control of the shot. We're not going to go through

925
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: with a bad shot anymore. We're going to have a controlled,

926
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: closed loop system. And you said though, to achieve that,

927
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: we have to be in control of the decisions along

928
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: the way. And as I understand it, the way to

929
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: take control of those decisions is to attach words to

930
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: them so that you can then talk your way through it.

931
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: Is that right? And then if so, can you talk

932
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: us through is there is there is there a right

933
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: number of steps we should be talking through? Is there

934
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: a better way to create a mantra like this? Are

935
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: there any specifics when it comes to how to talk

936
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: our way through it. That can help us. So talking

937
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: does two completely different While they're they're somewhat the same,

938
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: but it helps you in two different ways. Because in

939
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: the cognitive stage of learning, learning anything, first time you

940
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: learned it, you talked yourself through it. There was a

941
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: thing called self talk, right, So you talked your way

942
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: through it. And what the talking did you talk? You

943
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: spoke words right. Words are the route to concentration. Words

944
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: are nothing more than attentional cues. When you read a word,

945
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: your mind goes to the definition of that word, no

946
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: matter what it is. Right. So it's very easy for

947
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: an instructor to gain control of a student's mind simply

948
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: by talking to them. But are they giving you that

949
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: skill to be able to talk yourself through it. That's

950
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: a question of your instructor, right. So, uh, talking leads

951
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: to attention. So if I need to concentrate on this

952
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: movement that's going to cause an explosion, I am darn

953
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: sure going to have to talk myself through it, right,

954
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: So I have people say specific things, meaning I have

955
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: them say the word that defines the movement, if you will. So,

956
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: if it's if it's an expansion, right, or if it's

957
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: a pulling motion. Right, just a simple phrase, keep pulling,

958
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: keep pulling, keep pulling. It's said in a revolving rhythm. Right.

959
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: So this rhythm is basically your words are the verbal

960
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: representation of your closed loop. It's revolving, right, it's a loop.

961
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: So and some people say a specific word like go

962
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: as they're moving through the trigger. Your words tell what

963
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: muscle group to move and also the way the speed

964
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: of see your words that gives them the rate of movement. Right.

965
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: So words play a huge part in your movement. But

966
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: the verbalization of your decision is the start of the

967
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: entire process. Right, Because you can have this mantra and

968
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But remember that your subconscious doesn't want

969
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: you to do any of that. None of that is

970
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: stored in your memory, right You just you don't just

971
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: remember to say your mantra. You have to decide to

972
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: say it every single shot. Your shot actual improvement can

973
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: never be allowed to become automatic, But your decision to

974
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: shoot it perfectly or not at all must become automatic.

975
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: It must become a fundamental truth in your life. Meaning,

976
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: I don't care who's watching me shoot. I shoot in

977
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: front of hundreds of people A lot I don't care

978
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: who they are. I will shoot a controlled arrow. Why

979
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't I? Right, I have the blueprint for exactly how

980
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: to do it. So you know, once you gain control

981
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: of your shot, and you gain the blueprint for your

982
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: controlled shot, you know now you're using shooting to practice

983
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: your concentration. It's the great greatest form of concentration practice

984
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: that is known to mankind, that is shooting. So go ahead.

985
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask, is there certain number of

986
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: steps within excuse me, um, within the archery? If we're

987
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: talking a compound, a compound bull, let's say, is there

988
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: a certain number of steps within that process that we

989
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: should try to be appending a word to? So? So

990
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: for me right now, the way I've been putting this

991
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: into practice is I have a phrase that I say

992
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: as I'm drawing back. I have a phrase that I

993
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: say while I'm aiming, and then I have a phrase

994
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: that's like my activation phrase. So I say, here we go.

995
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: And as soon as I'm saying here we go, that

996
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: starts my movement into activating that shot. Is that is

997
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: three the right number? Or is there? It doesn't matter? Um?

998
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that? Yeah, Yeah, lots of thoughts on that,

999
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: so you know you're what you're talking about. You're talking

1000
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: about the verbalization of your decisions. Right. So I have

1001
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: two jobs in my shot, just two jobs, but there

1002
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: are some micro jobs within those big jobs. Right. Job

1003
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: number one is to draw back and aim, get it done,

1004
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: and watch it to keep it. Get it done. I mean,

1005
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: people creep up on these targets, and that's just you

1006
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: doing pre ignition movements. Your mind is readying you for

1007
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: this impact. That can't be the case. Your aim must

1008
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: mean nothing to you. It's just a job that you

1009
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: get done. Right. So job number one drawback and aim,

1010
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: get it done, and then simply watch it to keep it. Right.

1011
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: When I say that watch it to keep it, I

1012
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: mean you're watching the picture. You don't have to focus

1013
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: on either the pin or the target. You are watching

1014
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: the entire picture. And when you do that, you're using

1015
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: a system called visual appropriate reception, which is the same

1016
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: visual feedback system that you use when you drive. Right,

1017
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: when you're driving down the road, you've got a yellow

1018
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: line and a white line, and you get visual feedback

1019
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: that your vehicle's veering slightly to the left, and you

1020
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: auto correct with a movement of the steering wheel, and

1021
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: you move that steering wheel until you get visual feedback

1022
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: that now you're in the center of the lane, and

1023
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: then you stop that movement. That's an automatic movement. You

1024
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: don't have to think about it. When you first drove,

1025
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: first time you got behind the wheel, you had to

1026
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: think about it. But that's not the case anymore. You

1027
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: do automatic movements, automatic corrections. So when I say that

1028
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: drawback and aim, get it done, watch it to keep it.

1029
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I mean. You have no control over

1030
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: your aim other than through your eyes. So watch the picture.

1031
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: It will constantly return to center. Okay, that's job number one.

1032
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: Job number two is to put the concentration into the

1033
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: movement that gets you through your trigger right, whatever movement

1034
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: that is, whatever type of release you're shooting, or if

1035
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: you're shooting with your fingers or using them a counter

1036
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: receptive trigger or whatever. So those are the two jobs.

1037
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: But the jobs require decisions, especially in extreme stress. So

1038
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: there's two jobs, but there's three decisions. There are three

1039
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: decisions that must be made in every precision shot. Now,

1040
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: this is for me, and this was my big fail point.

1041
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: This is where I always failed growing up, and that

1042
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: was not making the decisions or making the decisions at

1043
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: the wrong time. So now my three decisions are this,

1044
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: when I believe the shot is imminent, meaning oh my god,

1045
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: this is happening, right, you start to put tension on

1046
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: that string. That is when you do the original decision,

1047
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: I will shoot this shot perfectly or I will not

1048
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: shoot it at all. That does two things for you.

1049
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: It gives you options like nobody's got a gun to

1050
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: my head making me shoot this shot. And it starts

1051
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: you into the process of the shot instead of the

1052
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: results of the shot. Because if that big bucks coming

1053
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: down the lane and you're thinking, oh my god, that

1054
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: is a hundred and six point right, that has nothing

1055
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: to do with you shooting a perfect arrow. Right. So

1056
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: the original decision I will shoot this shot perfectly or

1057
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: I will not shoot it at all. That is a

1058
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: decision that must become the fundamental truth in your life. Right.

1059
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: The next decision is made at half draw, as you

1060
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: are pulling the bow back. That is when I say

1061
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 1: to myself, I'm gonna do this. Right. You can say

1062
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, but that is the point

1063
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: at where you have to bring yourself into the present

1064
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: because your mind wants to go and oh my god,

1065
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: it's a hundred and six point I'm going to be

1066
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: a hero. Right, that's where it wants to go. It

1067
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: wants the results. But you've got to keep yourself in

1068
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: the process of the shot, and you do that by

1069
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: verbalizing decisions. Right. So as I'm drawing my bow back,

1070
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: that's when I say I'm gonna do this right. And

1071
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: then the final decision, the final knockout blow to autopilot,

1072
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: is at the critical second. And I asked people all

1073
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: the time, you know, what do you error jumped out

1074
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: of an airplane. I've not jumped off a cliff into water,

1075
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: not terribly high cliff, but I guess, okay, so a

1076
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: short cliff, right, how did you get yourself to jump? Yeah,

1077
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: you had to make a decision. Nobody is standing at

1078
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff and just automatically fine as

1079
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: myself fallen off. Right, there's that moment. There is that

1080
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: moment where they go, oh my god, right, here goes

1081
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: whatever they say. They all say something during that critical second, right,

1082
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: And that's the failed point of most people in their shot,

1083
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: is they fire the shot within the critical second, and

1084
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: that is the one second in time after you believe

1085
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: the aim is complete. So instead of firing the shot

1086
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: in that critical second, fill it with the decision to

1087
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: cause your body potential impact. Same thing when you're standing

1088
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: on that cliff, you're going to cause your body potential impact.

1089
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: That requires a decision to do that movement to start.

1090
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: That same thing in every archery shot or every shot

1091
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: with a firearm. So drawback and aim, get it done,

1092
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: watch it, to keep it. Job number two is to

1093
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 1: put the concentration into the movement that gets you through

1094
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: your trigger. That second job must be started with your decision.

1095
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: Here I go right, it's said in that critical second,

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01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: most people, like I said, are punching the trigger in

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01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: that critical second. I know I did. Man, I did

1098
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: that my whole life until I started to figure out

1099
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: these decisions and when to make them. So I was

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: gonna say, plain Devil's advocate here. Someone listening to this

1101
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: might say, well, if you're an experienced deer hunter, you

1102
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: know that sometimes your only opportunity will be a moment.

1103
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: You'll have this one brief moment, and those most experienced

1104
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: guys can take advantage of that and they can get

1105
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: that shot done quick in that one sliver of opportunity.

1106
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: So this this sounds like it's going to take a

1107
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: long time and it's going to result in missing those opportunities.

1108
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: What would you say to that person or that viewpoint.

1109
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: So there are times when it depends on where you

1110
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: are in your in your shooting. If you are out

1111
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: there and you are using these big white tailed bucks

1112
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: for concentration practice, right, if you are a person that

1113
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: is not yet in control of your shot, how is

1114
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: it going to make you better to punch the trigger

1115
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: on that buck? Right? Yeah, you might get them. You

1116
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: might get them, but you might not. But you damn

1117
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: sure didn't make yourself any better in concentration. Right, So

1118
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go to the next high stress moment. Right.

1119
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: It's about having your turning point, that point at which

1120
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: you know I always talk about the hog in South Texas.

1121
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: That was my turning point in the archery, where you know,

1122
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: the hog. I missed numerous shots, wasn't getting through my

1123
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: clicker on my long bow, and finally that hog came

1124
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: in there twenty yards I drew my bow back without

1125
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: making the decisions that I needed to. I drew that

1126
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: bow back, had the same feeling weakness, the same anxiety,

1127
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: all the same stuff. But that one time I got

1128
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: piste off enough to say, I am not doing this again,

1129
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: and that's when I figured out some decisions right. The

1130
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: next time I let my bow down on that shot,

1131
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: hog didn't see me. I picked my bow back up.

1132
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: I said to myself, I am going to shoot this

1133
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: shot perfectly, or I am not going to shoot it.

1134
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,479
Speaker 1: Because that's where I was in my shooting career. I

1135
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: needed to get control of my shot. So that's when

1136
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: I made that original decision. I drew my bow back.

1137
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: As I was drawing my bow back, I said, I'm

1138
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: gonna do this right. And then once I got the

1139
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: right site picture on that hog, I remembered I got

1140
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: a whole other job to do. I gotta work back

1141
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: tension to get through this clicker. Here I go. And

1142
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: I said that, here I go, after the realization that

1143
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: by god, I was actually aimed where I needed to

1144
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: be on this critter that I really wanted to get right.

1145
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, it might take some time. But again, you

1146
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: are using shooting to practice your concentration, so you're not

1147
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: trying to get more efficient at shooting. You're trying to

1148
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: get more efficient at concentration. You're getting more efficient at

1149
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: making decisions. You see how this is a different approach, right,

1150
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: So it doesn't take that long you're shooting. A controlled

1151
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: shot might take two seconds more, right, and are you

1152
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: may be going to have a critter walk out, but

1153
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: if that critter is moving through that lane, don't worry, folks,

1154
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: You're not going to forget how to punch the trigger.

1155
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: Right if you have to time a shot on a

1156
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: moving critter, that is not a closed loop control system.

1157
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: That is your old shot where you're aiming in front

1158
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: of it. You might have your pin in between those trees,

1159
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: and then when you see the right site picture, you're

1160
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna punch a trigger. Right. That was is the shot

1161
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: that was required for that environment, But that can't be

1162
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: your go to shot, right. Your go to shot has

1163
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: got to be the controlled shot. So being able to

1164
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: work both environments is the ultimate, right. Like on when

1165
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm training my swat guys, it's they have to shoot

1166
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: as many rounds as they can into a three yard

1167
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: target with their A R system, right, as many rounds

1168
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: as they can in three seconds, and that's a lot

1169
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: of rounds. Right. However, then they instantly have to switch

1170
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: to a two yard target right to where if they

1171
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 1: press the trigger like they did on the three yard target,

1172
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: there's no way they're going to hit the two hundred

1173
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: yard target right. So instantly having to switch between open

1174
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 1: and closed up control systems is what practice is all about.

1175
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: But you don't really have to practice your old shot.

1176
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: It's in there. Don't worry about it, right, you're trying

1177
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: to get control of yourself. Have I had creators walk

1178
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: out of my site picture? Yes? I have, and I

1179
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: was plenty happy about it. Yeah. Yeah, I would argue

1180
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: that this this in many cases, not only is it

1181
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: going to result in you not having as many of

1182
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: these rush shots, bad shots, misses, or wounding deer or

1183
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: animals or whatever it might be, but in general, it's

1184
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: just going to help you minimize bad situations. For no

1185
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: other reason that, like you said, it forces you to

1186
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: make decisions, and sometimes that decision might be even before

1187
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: you get into actually taking a shot. It's is this

1188
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: even a smart shot to try to take? Is this?

1189
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: Is this a a situation that can result in a clean, ethical,

1190
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: quick kill? Um? I think lots of times you get

1191
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: into this autopilot even before you start start the shot,

1192
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh my gosh, this is my

1193
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: only chance to shoot this stuff. Buck, I gotta shoot

1194
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: right now, and bam, it all happened so fast you

1195
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 1: didn't even really make a decision on is this a

1196
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: good idea to even try it? Right? You know, when

1197
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,879
Speaker 1: you when you go into this control process shooting program,

1198
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: you start to recognize your speed limits. Right, how long

1199
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: does it really take me to shoot an absolutely controlled shot?

1200
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: And then you're trying to match that with the critter.

1201
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: Is that critter going to stay there long enough for

1202
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: me to get a controlled shot? And if not, you're

1203
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: not going to hit it right if you open loop

1204
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: that fifty yard or you're not going to hit where

1205
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna hit right. But if that critter

1206
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: has plenty of relaxed and you go, yeah, I got

1207
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: time to do this. It is very very powerful to

1208
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: know exactly how to shoot a controlled shot, Like I

1209
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: know that every shot for the rest of my life

1210
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: will be controlled, no matter what the critter is, no

1211
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: matter what the situation is or who's watching. That is

1212
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 1: a very powerful confidence to have. It's something that you know,

1213
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: growing up I never had. I'd go on these hunts

1214
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: and go man if I get a shot. I help,

1215
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: I hope I do good right, not even knowing how

1216
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: it was going to go. If you don't know exactly

1217
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: how your shots gonna go, then you have already handed

1218
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: it to autopilot, some some outside being that you think

1219
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: is going to help you. It's not. Your subconscious has

1220
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,480
Speaker 1: a plan for you, and it is a very efficient,

1221
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: uncontrolled shot. That's the reality of it. That's not my opinion.

1222
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: That's just how it works. I've been there and done

1223
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 1: it so many times, and it took me thirteen years

1224
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: to kill a bull elk with my bow. I'm a

1225
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: two time world alcohol and champion. I can call elk

1226
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: in like a chicken on a string, right, But I

1227
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: could never hold myself together enough to hit that thing

1228
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: that's the size of a barn door. I mean, that's ridiculous.

1229
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: I would shoot shots like, what the hell just happened?

1230
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: What where that? You know? And a lot of people

1231
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: are experiencing the same thing. It's really interesting to see

1232
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the celebrity is on TV or you know,

1233
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: just because they're on TV doesn't mean they're not dealing

1234
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: with target panic. And they they talk about I'm in

1235
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: a slump. Well when I watched them shoot. I can

1236
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: see that they're locked completely off the target and they're

1237
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 1: jumping to the target and punching the trigger. You know,

1238
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way. And that's kind

1239
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: of a thing that I will say to people on TV.

1240
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: You owe it to your viewers to do it correctly, right, Yeah,

1241
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I mean, show some control.

1242
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: And then for people that aren't on TV, you owe

1243
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: it to the animal to get this under all. Owe

1244
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: it to the animal exactly. Leading by example is a

1245
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:47,879
Speaker 1: is a huge thing. So so we understand, we understand

1246
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: the issue, like, Okay, there's this problem. We likely are

1247
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: dealing with it in some way or another. Now we've

1248
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: talked about how we can control that through this controlled

1249
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: process of shooting a closed loop system, but I think

1250
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: that knowing how to do it and actually picking it

1251
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: up as a practice in a habit is another thing.

1252
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: So how do we go about practicing this? What's the

1253
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: right way to practice to make sure this becomes a

1254
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: part of our our essence. The practice starts with number one,

1255
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: getting control of your shot right like and actually blueprinting

1256
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,759
Speaker 1: it to where you have that shot. Because people sometimes

1257
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: shoot good, but if you don't know exactly how you

1258
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: did it, then how how can you possibly repeat it? Right?

1259
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 1: So what you're practicing when you shoot, When you finally

1260
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: make the decisions and you get the knowledge and you

1261
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: shoot a perfectly controlled shot, you're like, that was it?

1262
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 1: That was the ultimate shot. You've got to ask yourself

1263
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: four questions. Number one, what was I thinking about during

1264
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: that shot? And the answer should be I was thinking

1265
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: about nothing other than my shot activation movement? Question number two?

1266
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 1: What was I saying during that shot? Right? My I

1267
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: know my concentration was on that movement? What was I

1268
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: saying to get it there? Not only what words was

1269
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: I saying? But at what rate was I saying them?

1270
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: What was my mantra? Right? Question number three? Could I

1271
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: have stopped it? Was I so keenly concentrated on that movement,

1272
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: that one slight little movement that I could have stopped

1273
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: it anywhere within the movement. If you can say yes

1274
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: to that, then you truly were in a closed loop

1275
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: control system. And question number four most important question what

1276
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,480
Speaker 1: decisions did I make to get myself in the process

1277
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: for this one shot? And you have to realize that

1278
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: all these decisions and all these words that you're using

1279
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: and the jobs that you're performing, they only last for

1280
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: that one shot. There is no role to precision shooting.

1281
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: You know some people, Oh man, I'm on a roll. Well,

1282
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: the trains coming and you're standing on the tracks. Right.

1283
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: There is no role to precision shooting. It's one perfectly

1284
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: driven shot at a time. So when you can answer

1285
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: those questions, you now have the blueprint for your controlled shot. Now,

1286
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: when you want to practice, you take that blueprint into

1287
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: the most stressful situations that you can find. That might

1288
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: be just on the range with people you don't know.

1289
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: That might be with your kids hanging off your legs.

1290
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 1: That might be somebody scratching your head with an arrow.

1291
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: Who knows, right, you have to seek stress because you're

1292
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: no longer practicing your shooting. You are using shooting to

1293
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: practice your concentration. You see what I mean. So when

1294
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: you practice the stuff, you are doing nothing other than

1295
01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: strengthening your blueprints, strengthening the mold, strengthening the decisions, and

1296
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: the realization that nobody's got a gun to your head

1297
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: making you shoot an uncontrolled shot. That's how That's how

1298
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: you practice. Are there any specific drills um that might

1299
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: help us on any portion of this. I've heard of

1300
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: a couple of things. You know, a lot of people

1301
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: talk about blank bailing, um, A lot of people talk

1302
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: about the drill where you just draw back and just

1303
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: focus on aiming but never end up shooting. Are those

1304
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: things that will help us with this or are there

1305
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: any other drills like that that you'd recommend that become

1306
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: a part of our part of our practice. Those drills

1307
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: you have to it. Once you understand the science of

1308
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: control process shooting, you will understand the fallacy of those drills.

1309
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: Let's take blank bail shooting for an example. Right, people

1310
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: shoot in front of a blank bail and they are

1311
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: masters of their shot. They are able to concentrate on

1312
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: little aspects of their shot, and they use it for

1313
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: form practice, which is fantastic. But if you're using blank

1314
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 1: bill shooting for target panic issues, there is a fallacy

1315
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: that lies within. And here is that fallacy. What most

1316
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: people do in that shot in blank bail is they

1317
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: try to get the feel of a controlled shot right,

1318
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: except for they're missing the one thing that takes that

1319
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: control away, and it is their vision. Right. When you

1320
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: are not aiming at anything, you are then free to

1321
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: give the aim away and to put your conscious mind

1322
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: into certain movements within your shot. Now, that is a

1323
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: that is a good thing, except for there is no

1324
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: transfer of those skills between an aim shot and a

1325
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: blank bail shot. Because in a blank bail shot, you

1326
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: don't have your mind screaming at you, we're on shoot it,

1327
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So when you you're not

1328
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: necessarily practicing giving the aim away. So a blank bail

1329
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: shot can be used effectively. Right if you ask yourself

1330
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: the right questions, same questions, what was I thinking? What

1331
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: was I saying? Could I have stopped at? What decisions

1332
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: did I make? You take that blueprint into your aim shot?

1333
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: Job number one, drawback and aim, get it done, watch

1334
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: it to keep it very simple, right now, put my

1335
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: concentration into the movement that makes the bow go off essentially,

1336
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: so you can use it. But if you use it

1337
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: and you stop at just trying to get the feel,

1338
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: there will be no transfer between that and an actual shot.

1339
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 1: You know, when people do just do blank bail and

1340
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: then they go shoot, they are more cognitive for about

1341
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: a day. Right, they have a day of good shooting

1342
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: where they're actually somewhat in control, but they don't realize

1343
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: how they did it because they're allowing autopilot and they

1344
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: have allowed learning to happen. So after that day of

1345
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: controlled shooting, it starts to break, meaning they start to learn.

1346
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: Their subconci just starts to learn and make things more efficient.

1347
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: And then what do they do? They got to go

1348
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: back to the blank bail. So basically, what you're doing

1349
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: on a blank bails, you're you're constantly trying to return

1350
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: yourself to this cognitive stage of learning. I never want

1351
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: you to leave it right. And the drill of drawing

1352
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: back and aiming but not shooting, think about that. What's

1353
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: the core problem? Your mind will not allow you to

1354
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: cause your body impact as a surprise. Well, if it

1355
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: knows that no impact is coming, it's very simple to

1356
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: aim at whatever you want and to dance all over

1357
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: the trigger, but not shoot it right because your mind

1358
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: knows that the impact of the bow is not going

1359
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 1: to happen. That's why people with extreme target panic. When

1360
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: you say, okay, we're not going to shoot this shot.

1361
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: I just want you to draw back and put your

1362
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: pen on the target. It's very simple, happens in one try, right.

1363
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: But if it says okay, we're gonna shoot this arrow.

1364
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: It goes right back to holding off target, jump into target,

1365
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: punch and triggers and everything. So you know, there's no

1366
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: real drills other than getting the blueprint and then using

1367
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: shooting to strengthen the blueprint. So you know the drill

1368
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: is go find stress because you have to constantly pride

1369
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: you're you're going to become a backyard hero very quickly.

1370
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 1: People say how long does the program take? It takes

1371
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: as long as it takes you to make a decision.

1372
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: You have the opportunity to change your life in one

1373
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: shot and then understand how you shot that perfect shot,

1374
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,919
Speaker 1: get the blueprint, and now the rest of your life

1375
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: is spent strengthening your blueprint. You talked a little earlier

1376
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: about the different releases that sometimes people progress through them

1377
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: as they get more and more target pant they switched

1378
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: from a from an index finger to thumb, the thumb

1379
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: to the hinge, hinge to the back tension um. Is

1380
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: there any let's say, let's say John Doe listening. You

1381
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: know he's heard all this, he realizes that he's having

1382
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: this issue. Is there a different release you would recommend

1383
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: if we're assuming he was using a basic thirty dollar

1384
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: index finger that he started with as a kid. Um,

1385
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: Is there a change from a release standpoint that would

1386
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: help to begin this process? If if, if you want

1387
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: the very best chance to fix this or does that

1388
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: not matter? Well, it just depends on I. At the

1389
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: end of my program, you'll be able to shoot any

1390
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: release you want. But when you understand open and closed

1391
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: up control systems, there are releases that lend themselves to

1392
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: a closed loop control system much better. Like if you're

1393
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: shooting a type of release that has a very light

1394
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: trigger on it, well, very difficult to evaluate that movement.

1395
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: The movement's very light and it's very short, right, if

1396
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: you were to get a trigger, an index finger trigger, um, like,

1397
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: the best one I know right now is a carter

1398
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,759
Speaker 1: like Mike, And that's the one that you can really

1399
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: set the spring tension hard in it, so you understand

1400
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: that your initial pressure set, your initial setting the hook

1401
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: on that trigger is not going to make it go off.

1402
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: It's very calming right when you're trying to work through this,

1403
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: So you can set that bad boy really tight, I

1404
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: mean where it takes an act of congress to get

1405
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 1: the thing to go off, right, So you draw back

1406
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: and aim you get yourself through that. Okay, here I go,

1407
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: and you set your finger deep on that trigger and

1408
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,839
Speaker 1: you start that expansion with your back and your chest

1409
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: and all these proper movements. Right, you start that expansion

1410
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: and you're you're feeling it, but then you'll probably feel

1411
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: it stop and that's the point at which your mind's like,

1412
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: nowp wing going anymore because just more and this thing's

1413
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: gonna blow up on me. Right, So that's where you

1414
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: detect that as an error. But it allows you this

1415
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: more robust movement that you that's so much easier for

1416
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: you to evaluate because you're moving it with your back.

1417
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 1: I mean, you're only moving the thing like not even

1418
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 1: a sixteenth of an inch, but in your back and

1419
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,919
Speaker 1: in your chest and then expansion, you are feeling movement,

1420
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: and therefore you can evaluate it. So you know, as

1421
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: far as index finger trigger goes, that's about the best.

1422
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: But that's the one that I have people shoot with

1423
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: just to get them over that little hump. And once

1424
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: you get over that hump, you can shoot anyone on

1425
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: you want. Same thing. And there's a lot of really

1426
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: good thumb triggers out there. There's a lot of really

1427
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: good hinges out there. They're all basically the same concepts

1428
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 1: Hinge releases allow you to you know, have a longer

1429
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: movement that's easier to evaluate. That's why they're much easier

1430
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: to use. And intention activated releases. I like the Standardslavski

1431
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: element just because you can set that thing to where

1432
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: it's not even gonna go off right. And if I

1433
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: have somebody that's having trouble making the decision right, they're

1434
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: still punching the trigger and they're like, man, I just

1435
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. Well, that's only because you

1436
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: have not yet decided to do it properly or not

1437
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:20,839
Speaker 1: at all. So I can force the decision with attention

1438
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: activated release, meaning I set that bugger super tight. They

1439
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: draw safety in, drawback safety off, and they start pulling right,

1440
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: and they start expanding through this shot, and we show

1441
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: them all the biomechanically correct movements for that. But they

1442
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: start expanding through the shot and then all of a

1443
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: sudden they get this big yank right and their body

1444
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: collapses and it's a big hiccup. Right. That is the

1445
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 1: moment in time when they shifted everything to the subconscious.

1446
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: That's when they went, screw it, you do it for me.

1447
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: Autopilot right, and autopilot tried to do it, but the

1448
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: boat didn't go off, and they got to see all

1449
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: of the pre ignition movements that are in there, so

1450
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: they pushed the safety and they let it down and

1451
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: we talk about it. What were you thinking about? Well,

1452
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking about my movement, but then I just said,

1453
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 1: screw it. I started thinking when is this thing going

1454
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: to go off? And as soon as you get stuck

1455
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 1: in that question when is this thing going to go off,

1456
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: you are no longer in your closed loop. You're no

1457
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: longer thinking about the movement. Your movement just stopped because

1458
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: now your thought process is in when is this thing

1459
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: going to go off? And that's exactly a second here,

1460
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: Like people are calling me from the hospital for my appointment.

1461
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: But so you know, that's where you have to get

1462
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: good at detecting errors in your thought process, You see

1463
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: what I mean? So, uh, I have them do this

1464
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: tension to activating and as soon as they have that hiccup,

1465
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: we talk about it. What were you thinking? What were

1466
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 1: you saying? Well, I wasn't saying anything, right. Could you

1467
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: have stopped it? Well, I could have stopped it up

1468
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: to the point where I gave it away and what

1469
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: decisions did you make? Well, I really didn't make any decisions.

1470
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: I was just trying to do good right and that's

1471
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:13,799
Speaker 1: where you get the where they were actually at. Then

1472
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: I haven't do it again, and their yard and through

1473
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: that release, but they don't have the hiccup. They finally

1474
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: came to the realization that they need to stay in

1475
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: the movement both still doesn't go off, so they pushed

1476
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: the safety in and they let it down and then

1477
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: I'll start to lighten it to where they still have

1478
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: to work mentally, working hard through this trigger. It's not

1479
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: the most accurate setting obviously, but they're working hard and

1480
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: they're conditioning their mind and then finally that thing goes off,

1481
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: and then it goes off, and then we can move

1482
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: to a hinge and we moved to a thumb trigger,

1483
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: and we apply the same science to whatever trigger system

1484
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: you want to shoot. I've I've found kind of a

1485
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: similar a little bit of challenges. I've been making this

1486
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: shift mysel self. I stuck with an index finger release

1487
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: last year because I didn't want to change everything. Um

1488
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: as I was just kind of starting this midsummer, so

1489
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: I started using a better index finger release, So with

1490
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: a harder trigger um. And one thing though, I even

1491
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: though I've noticed significant improvement as I've been going through

1492
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: this process, as he was detailed to hear, sometimes I

1493
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: would find that I would be pulling through it. I'd

1494
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: be I'd be going through that shot that shot activation process,

1495
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: going through the poll and it just wouldn't go off,

1496
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't go off, and it wouldn't go off,

1497
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: and eventually I'd have that screw up moment where I'd

1498
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: start squeezing my finger then again because I'm like this,

1499
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: I've got to do something to get this thing off.

1500
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I've pulled as far back as my

1501
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: shoulders are go um. And so for me, it's been

1502
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, like, Okay, is it because I'm

1503
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: not loading the trigger consistently to just the right point

1504
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: when I'm starting that or different things like that, And

1505
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 1: maybe that's where a different release might help me with

1506
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But I can totally relate to

1507
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: what you mentioned there. You know, it's what you just it.

1508
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: It's not going off, it's not going off, it's not

1509
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: going off. That's where your mind is. It's not in

1510
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: the movement, it's in the this thing is not going off,

1511
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 1: and therefore you're not moving if that's where your thought

1512
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: process is, right, so then you switch your thought process too.

1513
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: I gotta make this thing go off, and you move

1514
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: your finger. Well, that didn't make you any better, right,

1515
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: It would be much better for you to get off

1516
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: the trigger and let it down right, and to go

1517
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: through what was I thinking about? What was I saying?

1518
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Could I have stopped it? What decisions did I make?

1519
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: You've got to get the blueprint for your controlled shot.

1520
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: And you know, if you shoot a bad arrow, you

1521
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: ask yourself the same questions so that when you make

1522
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: those errors again, and they're going to happen again in

1523
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: your thought process, they're much more easily recognized. So you know.

1524
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: And I talked about letting down a lot, but I

1525
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: don't expect people to let down on critters. I did

1526
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: that when I was trying to hit my turning point right,

1527
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 1: but I didn't understand the science at that point I

1528
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: was in two thousand eight. So now I want people

1529
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: to practice letting down right, drawback, and name get it done,

1530
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: watch to keep it. If you detect an error in

1531
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: your thought process, realize nobody's got a gun in your

1532
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: head and let that shot down. But you also have

1533
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: to practice the fight, and you have to know how

1534
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: to fight. When you get in that situation of man,

1535
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: this thing is not going off. You have options. You

1536
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: can let it down or you can fight. And the

1537
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: fight equals more aggressive speech in your mantra. Right, So

1538
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: you might be saying, keep pulling, keep pulling, keep pulling,

1539
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: catwen's this thing going to go off? Well, that's not

1540
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: the right thought process. Fulling, keep palling, keep palling. Right,

1541
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 1: where you add aggression to your speech, that adds strength

1542
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: to your movement. Right, So that's the fight. That's what

1543
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean. When I'm shooting at a big screaming bow

1544
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 1: up with my longbow, I am screaming to myself inside

1545
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: my head, right, I'm using the aggressive speech to get

1546
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 1: me through that shot activation movement, because by god, I

1547
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 1: am not going to shoot an uncontrolled arrow. Got no

1548
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 1: reason to. Now we're talking about this whole pulling through action,

1549
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: and we've been talking about the mental side of it.

1550
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: How do we talk ourselves through that? But I actually

1551
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: haven't gotten your perspective on the right way to physically

1552
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: do that. Um and and let's focus selfishly since I

1553
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: should a compound bow. Can you walk me through how

1554
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,759
Speaker 1: how you believe that the proper pull through motion should

1555
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: be the actual physical action that coincides with our our

1556
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 1: mental mantra that you just mentioned there, the activation. So

1557
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 1: I I work a lot with Tom Clem at Rocky Mountain,

1558
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: specially Gear, and he is just a phenomenal form coach.

1559
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: He's a Level four or NTS coach and he has

1560
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: helped me a lot. He's helped thousands of archers. But, um,

1561
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, I I was doing the right motion, but

1562
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to explain it, and so Tom

1563
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 1: sat me down and basically taught me exactly what's going

1564
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: on in my movement and how to explain it. So,

1565
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing to get yourself through that release, Like,

1566
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 1: let's say you're shooting with an index finger, right, So

1567
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: first of all is setting up your finger on the trigger.

1568
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: It can't be out towards the end. It should be

1569
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: in the wall that is between your first and second Um, well,

1570
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: from from the end of your finger there's decrease and

1571
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: then there's a wall and there's another crease, So it

1572
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: at least has to be on that wall, if not

1573
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: in the second crease. Okay, So that is what I

1574
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 1: consider setting the hook. And once you have at the hook,

1575
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 1: you are basically taking everything behind you, not farther back.

1576
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: You're taking it behind you. That is the proper direction.

1577
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: So when you do that, so you draw back and

1578
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: you've got you put your side on the target, you

1579
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: acquire your hook, and you may have to reaffirm your

1580
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 1: aim right because putting the your finger on the hook

1581
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: might move your aim slightly. So you've got the hook,

1582
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 1: and then everything from like let's say you're right handed,

1583
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Like if you've got a hinge in the center of

1584
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: your body, right and you're going to open that hinge

1585
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 1: and it opens at your peck muscle. So from everything

1586
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: from the right side, your peck, your shoulder, your elbow,

1587
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 1: everything rotates behind you. Right. That is the motion of

1588
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: the people called back tensions. You're using your lower traps

1589
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: muscle to do that, and you're just shifting all of

1590
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 1: that stuff behind you like you're trying to touch somebody

1591
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 1: behind you, Like if somebody had a their hand open

1592
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: palm an inch and a half behind your elbow, right

1593
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: directly behind you. When you shoot that shot, your elbow

1594
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: should never touch them. It should sweep inside their hand.

1595
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: You see what I mean. So you should be and

1596
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 1: if you're shooting an index finger, you have to shoot

1597
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: with a fairly relaxed hand. You can't be grabbing onto

1598
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 1: the release and taking the release with that rotation. You

1599
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: have to keep your hand open. Finger is on the

1600
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: trigger right deep on that tight hook on it. You've

1601
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: applied an initial pressure that you have to determine with

1602
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: whatever release you're shooting. So you set your initial pressure

1603
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 1: and then you start this expansion where your whole, your

1604
01:33:54,920 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 1: chest opens, your back contracts, and your chest expands, causing

1605
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 1: that rotation to go around behind you. And the feeling

1606
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: that you're gonna get, you're gonna have to uh two

1607
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: feedback points if you will. Number one, you're gonna feel

1608
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 1: attention increase on your finger. You're not moving your finger,

1609
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: but you're feeling attention increase on it. And the second

1610
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 1: place you're gonna feel attention increases on your wrist trap.

1611
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: So if you can imagine you are using this motion

1612
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,719
Speaker 1: that we talked about to pull your relaxed hand through

1613
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: the strap, that's what's going to create that sixteenth of

1614
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 1: an inch of movement to create that surprise break shot.

1615
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: So and then when you get into thumb triggers, you've

1616
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: got a couple of different ways to do it. You

1617
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 1: can use back tension right that same rotational movement, or

1618
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 1: you can use hand manipulation. So if you use hand manipulation,

1619
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: you have locked your thumb on the trigger and you

1620
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: are rotating your hands similar to how you would shoot

1621
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 1: a hinge. Right, you are increasing pressure on the top

1622
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: of the release with your ring and pinky finger. You're

1623
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 1: essentially rolling the release into your thumb. That's hand manipulation.

1624
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: But if you're going to do that, you have to

1625
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 1: have a very strong holding position, meaning your elbow is

1626
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: in alignment or inside the string. So these are some

1627
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 1: things that you need to look at in a mirror.

1628
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: Have somebody take a picture from behind and see if

1629
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: you're where your elbow is at, because if you're in alignment,

1630
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: it's a hell bot easier to hold your bow back.

1631
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 1: So you know, same thing with a hinge. You can

1632
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 1: do a hinge with rotation, but most people shoot a

1633
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 1: hinge with with hand manipulation where they're relaxing their index

1634
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: finger and an increasing pressure on their pinky and ring

1635
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 1: finger to get that thing to rotate. So uh and

1636
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: then of course attention activated is going to use that

1637
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: back tension movement that we talked about. That's that's definitely helpful. Yeah,

1638
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,719
Speaker 1: So I've got one final question for it, Jill. Everything

1639
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: you've talked about here today has been about taking control

1640
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: the mental side of things to help you with that shot.

1641
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 1: But is anything that you've learned in understanding this moment

1642
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: or this process. Is any of this applicable to handling

1643
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: the larger issue of what we might call buck fever,

1644
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: which might which some people maybe will lump target panic

1645
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: into buck fever. But if I'm just talking about this,

1646
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 1: maybe the moments ahead of the shot, even when you

1647
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 1: see a target animal coming in and you lose control

1648
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 1: of of everything. You're maybe you're shaking like crazy, you're

1649
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: hyper ventilating, you're just really really excited. And this is

1650
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: even before he's in range, maybe before you're going through

1651
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 1: that whole shot sequence. Um, is there anything you've learned

1652
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: about the mental side of things that can be applied

1653
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 1: to better handling those preceding moments. So all of the

1654
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: things that we've talked about are in the frontal cortex

1655
01:36:55,520 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 1: of your mind right there, their cognitive thoughts, those don't

1656
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 1: live in your midbrain. Like I said, midbrain is fight

1657
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: or flight training and experience. So if you're losing control,

1658
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: as that buck's coming in your your breathing rate increases,

1659
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: your blood pressure increases, everything increases, Right, you're getting adrenaline dump.

1660
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: All these things are happening in your body and it's

1661
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: affecting what portion of your brain you're going to be using.

1662
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Your controlled shot does not live in your midbrain, so

1663
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: you have to keep your heart rate down so that

1664
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 1: you can remember your decisions and your jobs in your shot.

1665
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: And to do that, you know this, This concept has

1666
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:46,520
Speaker 1: been around for eons since people have been in stressful situations,

1667
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: and that is combat breathing. Right, So as that buck

1668
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: is coming in, you're like, oh my god, that's a monster, right,

1669
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: you should then as soon as you start into this,

1670
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: start your combat breathing, which is in through the nose

1671
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: for a four hold for a four count, out through

1672
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 1: the mouth for a four count hold for a four count.

1673
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: It's used in you know, in combat and in any

1674
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: stressful situation because what that does is that lowers your

1675
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 1: heart rate and it allows you to remain cognitive because

1676
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: if you go into hyper drive, you know, autopilots coming

1677
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: like a freight train and you're gonna shoot this blacked

1678
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 1: out shot. But when you practice making decisions and you

1679
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: have this determination and your first decision is I'm going

1680
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: to shoot this shot perfectly or I'm not gonna shoot

1681
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 1: it at all, these are all very calming things because

1682
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 1: you have a very specific plan and you have knowledge

1683
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: that you are going to shoot a controlled shot no

1684
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: matter what. Like I said before, it's very powerful. So

1685
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: you start your combat breathing and that allows you to

1686
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: remain cognitive. Then that buck's coming in. He's getting closer though.

1687
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is gonna happen. But now you're you're

1688
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 1: thinking and you know the decisions that you must make

1689
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 1: in every precision shot. So Harry comes, Oh he's turn

1690
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: a broadside. Okay, I'm gonna shoot. Now. Now you have

1691
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,719
Speaker 1: that realization. Everybody knows what that feeling is. Oh my god,

1692
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Speaker 1: this is going to happen. Right you start to bring

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01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: that bow up. That's when you make the original decision,

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01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot the shot perfectly or I'm not going

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01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: to shoot it at all. Now you are within the

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01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 1: shot and you're bringing yourself in the present as you

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01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:37,759
Speaker 1: draw the bow back say something to remain in the present.

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01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Like I said, I say, I'm gonna do this right,

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01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: that's as I'm drawing my bow back. That doesn't change

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01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 1: the speed at which I draw my bow. I'm just

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01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: in the present of the shot process. And it's amazing

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01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: how present you are when you make those decisions. And

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01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 1: then you get the full draw and you get that

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01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: pin on there, that's not time to shoot, that's time

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01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: to make another decision. Here I go set my hook

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01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 1: and I'm working keep full and keep full, and keep

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01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 1: full and keep full, and pooh, that shot breaks and

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01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: it goes exactly where your pin was, or exactly where

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01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 1: your instinctive site picture told it to go. So that's

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01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: how to stay in control of these situations. And I've

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01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've used this in the tactical world.

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01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: I've used it in I've used it in bow hunting

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01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: a lot, right, And that's it's how we work. And

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01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: again it's not my opinion, this has been proven time

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01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: and time again. In combat. You've got to keep your

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01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: heart rate down so that you can think, because this

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01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:49,799
Speaker 1: whole thing is based on cognitive ability, not how smart

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01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: you are, but just your ability to remain cognitive in

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01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: the cognitive stage of learning and keep yourself from going

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01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: into automatic autopilot. Well, I I can't tell you how

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01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 1: much I appreciate you doing this kind of wortual sharing

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01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: this with with us and sharing with us with the world.

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01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 1: I really do think that the way that you communicate

1724
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 1: this stuff, the way that you're breaking things down here,

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01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 1: it is you know, I don't want to say it's

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01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: changing lives completely, but changing hunting lives at least. Um.

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01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: I think this is really, really, really going to help people.

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01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 1: It's I know, it's already helped me. I'm excited to

1729
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:32,719
Speaker 1: continue to improve using these practices of yours. And where

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01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 1: can people go to learn more? You've got a full

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01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: course that dives into these things and in much greater

1732
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,879
Speaker 1: detail with video, which I think can really help illustrate

1733
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: a lot of these concepts. I think that's gonna be

1734
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: really helpful for people. Where can folks find that stuff?

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01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 1: My website is shot i q dot com and on

1736
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: there you'll find my online course in Control Process Shooting,

1737
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 1: where we talk about all this stuff and it's really cool.

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01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 1: There's lots of drills in there that I have you

1739
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: actually learn your speed, limits of movement and what all

1740
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: the science is and when to make the decisions and

1741
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: you get to see it happen. And so that's the

1742
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 1: online course. I've also written a book about It's available

1743
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 1: on Amazon or on shot i Q. But you know,

1744
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 1: I just want people to not waste time. I mean,

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01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 1: it took me a lifetime to figure this stuff out,

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01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 1: and I don't want people to waste time in reaching

1747
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:29,440
Speaker 1: their turning point, right. I want you to have success.

1748
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: I want you to have control. It is. You know,

1749
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: when you say you're changing lives, that is a literal statement.

1750
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 1: I mean, we are really changing the lives of people

1751
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 1: because people that are in control of their shot and

1752
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 1: archery is everything in their life. That means a lot.

1753
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 1: That makes for much happier people. I can guarantee that,

1754
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: and much happier males makes for much happier females. For Yeah,

1755
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 1: I agree. I think this. I know of so many

1756
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,719
Speaker 1: people just personally that I think this could so positively impact.

1757
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: And I'm just so glad that you're able to come

1758
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,679
Speaker 1: on here and and share it with our with our audience.

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01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Joel. I'll make sure to have links

1760
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: back to the website and the book and the online

1761
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: course of people want to check that out and they

1762
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: don't remember that the U r L that will be

1763
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,640
Speaker 1: on our website too, and be sure to check that

1764
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: stuff out. Guys and Joel, thank you so much, thanks

1765
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: for having me, sir, absolutely, and that is it. Another

1766
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: episode wrapped up. And if you found this interesting, which

1767
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 1: I hope you did, if you are a bowl hunter,

1768
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 1: I gotta believe that you will have found this as

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01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,559
Speaker 1: interesting as I did. Probably if you want to go

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01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 1: on and see that online video course that Joel talked about,

1771
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: Joel is actually gonna offer all of us here at

1772
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt twenty five dollar off discount from that

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01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: online course. So if you go to shot i q

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01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: dot com and then when you purchase that online course,

1775
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:58,759
Speaker 1: if you use promo code W two H, you'll get

1776
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars off that shot i Q online shooting course.

1777
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: So again, the promo code is W two H. And

1778
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 1: my one other update I want to give you is

1779
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: just a reminder, like I mentioned in the introduction, over

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01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:15,600
Speaker 1: the next week or so, I'm gonna be out in

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01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: North Dakota scouting and shed hunting, putting together semi live

1782
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 1: video blog, so head on over to the Wired to

1783
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Hunt YouTube channel and make sure you subscribed and check

1784
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 1: out those videos. Assuming I can get decent internet service,

1785
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 1: I will be posting videos throughout the course of that trip,

1786
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 1: and if not, I'll just post a bunch of them

1787
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 1: when I get back. But it's gonna be a fun trip.

1788
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 1: It's gonna be absolutely beautiful out there, and if we're lucky,

1789
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 1: gonna find a bunch of bones too, so that should

1790
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 1: be fun. I hope you can follow along, of course

1791
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 1: I'll be. I'll be sharing the story on Instagram and

1792
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: Facebook in different places like that too. So that's it

1793
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 1: for me today. Thank you for listening. I also want

1794
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 1: to give a big thanks to our partners who helped

1795
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 1: make this all possible. So big thanks to sit a Gear, YETI, Cooler's,

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01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery May even Optics, the White Tail Institute of

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01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: North am Erica, Trophy Ridge and hunt Terra Maps. And finally, again,

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01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 1: thank you all for listening, Thanks for tuning in, Thanks

1799
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: for learning with me as we've gone through this, you know,

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01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 1: whether it be archery or hunting or any of the

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01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 1: different things that we've been going through kind of here together,

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01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: both myself and Dan and hopefully you too. Hopefully we

1803
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 1: are all growing as hunters and uh I think that's

1804
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: a pretty cool thing. So until next time, thanks again,

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01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.