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Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces. All that was nasty

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Speaker 2: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 2: break it on. Swim to the ground by Budda Baker

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Speaker 2: Like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: You know it's a big decision right here off the

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Speaker 2: top with this new enhanced touchback rule on the kickoff.

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Speaker 2: Do I start this podcast by just, you know, electing

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Speaker 2: for a fair catch and just take my field position

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Speaker 2: at the twenty five? Or maybe do I risk a

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Speaker 2: more creative intro to this podcast. Cardinals Underground brought to

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Speaker 2: breaker some sort, or maybe getting out near midfield. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's all part of the decision making process. I mean,

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Speaker 2: as we kind of hash things out in the off

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Speaker 2: season here, Danny, I mean, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much I really want to risk or gamble to

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Speaker 2: start off a podcast when it comes to a fair catch,

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Speaker 2: especially if you're gonna squibkick one in the corner and

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Speaker 2: These are all things that I'm trying to contemplate.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot going on off the top, Paul, I

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Speaker 3: was thinking of myself.

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Speaker 4: He went a long way for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I knew it. I knew somehow somehow they

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Speaker 2: throw a scud in there, somehow, you know, they sort

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Speaker 2: of skirt the rule. I know it can't be easy.

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Speaker 2: There's got to be something in there. But ultimately, you're right,

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Speaker 2: I'm guilty of overthinking things here to start off Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: Actually, it reminded me a little bit as I was

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Speaker 4: listening to the im Athlete podcast this week with DeAndre

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Speaker 4: Hopkins and DeAndrea was about ten minutes late when he

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Speaker 4: was supposed to be on, Okay, that's let's go, let's

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Speaker 4: let's let's move this along. And then when he finally

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Speaker 4: gets on, Brandon Marshall, the former All Pro wide receiver

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Speaker 4: who is the host of this podcast, went on what

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Speaker 4: felt like a fifteen minute intro to DeAndre Hopkins as

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Speaker 4: he was sitting right there. I'm sure it wasn't that long,

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Speaker 4: but oh my god, it was excruciating. I'm like, just

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't exactly conversationals what you're saying, not off.

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Speaker 4: The top, but got there right, yeah, but not off

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, Not.

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Speaker 4: That I was making any kind of comparison to you Ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was always kind of curious though, Like you know,

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Speaker 2: d Hop made a concerted point of saying that he's

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Speaker 4: The quest, I will be honest it it was kind

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Speaker 4: of funny to hear hop say he's got no ego.

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Speaker 4: They they've all got egos. That's why they're in the

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Speaker 2: How many times did Cliff Kingsbury say jokingly or otherwise

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean some of the funny part for me,

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Speaker 4: down to the what does DeAndre Hopkins want in his team? Well,

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Speaker 4: he wants statability in the front office. He wants a

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Speaker 3: He caught himself when talking about it.

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Speaker 4: He was struggling there. Yeah, he started, he trailed off.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's where you need a Brandon Marshall to

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Speaker 4: When you do these interviews, if you're DeAndre Hopkins, if

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Speaker 2: So was there anything definitive? Did we come to any conclusions?

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Speaker 2: I guess is what I'm saying, Danny.

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Speaker 5: No, it's the same back and forth that we've been

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Speaker 5: having for months on social media with him. I don't

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Speaker 5: have a problem if DeAndre Hopkins doesn't want to be

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Speaker 5: a Cardinal, I don't. I don't have a problem if

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Speaker 5: he's seeking a trade, which is without really saying those words,

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Speaker 5: verbatim is what he's been saying since the start of

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Speaker 5: the off season, posting a cryptic social media posts thanking

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Speaker 5: close to him on some sort of media tour, going

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Speaker 5: on different outlets, flat out naming teams and quarterbacks he

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Speaker 5: asking where do you want to see me play this year?

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Speaker 5: And then when he doesn't get traded and after the draft,

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Speaker 5: with the geotag on this post in Phoenix and says

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Speaker 5: necessarily the Cardinals, and I just can't keep up. And

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Speaker 5: now you find yourself like on this podcast, the I

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Speaker 5: essentially bad mouthing your quarterbacks. And he's not wrong that

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Speaker 5: he doesn't have Pro Bowl caliber quarterbacks in that room

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Speaker 5: behind Kyler Murray. That that's not wrong. But if there's

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Speaker 5: now finding yourself in some very muddy waters where you

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Speaker 5: where I start to have frustrations with all this. You're

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Speaker 2: And ultimately, if you don't want to be in Arizona,

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Speaker 2: are you compromising the leverage of the Arizona Cardinals front

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Speaker 2: get fair value, equitable value. But if other teams think

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Speaker 2: confounding to me. If your team hop and then why

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Speaker 2: out of sight, out of mind. Better make sure you

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Speaker 2: remember that you're still possibly out there and in play.

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Speaker 2: You know, Wolf and I had a discussion as radio

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Speaker 2: on salary or it's not a great fit considering where

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Speaker 2: and if he's not part of the OTAs and doesn't

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Speaker 4: The issue that's going to be with DeAndre Hopkins is

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Speaker 4: for him at his current contract. I think part of

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Speaker 2: Nineteen million base this year.

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Speaker 4: Which is not going to change if you do what

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Speaker 4: you're just talking about doing You're talking about taking on

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Speaker 4: I mean, the next step right now is mandatory Mini Camp.

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Speaker 4: We're three weeks out from that. June thirteenth is the

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Speaker 4: we've talked about before, you know, I mean, Chandler Jones

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Speaker 4: these things can be talked about.

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Speaker 4: We have gotten a sense from Jonathan Gannon that there

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Speaker 4: And would I be surprised if either or both of

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Speaker 4: I would not be shocked.

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Speaker 2: By the way the next podcast. That quote drills deep

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Speaker 2: wants and needs. That is seemingly the key here.

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Speaker 5: Didn't he point say he's not looking? He claims right

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Speaker 5: Am I making that up? Didn't he say that?

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Speaker 4: At one point? I feel like he didn't. He tweet

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Speaker 3: Maybe replied to someone on Twitter. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But the problem is is I think at this point

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Speaker 4: take a pay cut to bring him on, is he

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Speaker 5: I think that would probably depend on the team. I

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Speaker 5: also see this as either through training camp or the

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Speaker 5: Is unfortunately waiting for somebody to have an injury to

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Speaker 3: Danny, Oh, I didn't even do that on purpose. Fist

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Speaker 2: Because if you're talking about Buddha Baker, gemmen to see this.

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Speaker 4: That's what I don't blame him for not wanting to

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Speaker 2: I don't either. What I'm saying is is is this

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Speaker 5: So maybe explain this for me because the cap and

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Speaker 4: It's really you can do it.

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Speaker 5: Were to take a pay cut, right and you're couldn't

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Speaker 4: But see, that's the thing is that's not a pay cut.

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Speaker 4: That's a restructuring, and a restructuring is different than a

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: So here's the deal. If if a player is asked

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Speaker 4: asked this guy to restructure. No, no, No. Restructuring is essentially,

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Speaker 4: And that's that's essentially what we're doing it. If you're

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Speaker 4: Like Okay, you're saving I mean, I know there's dead

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Speaker 4: You're just straight moving on and he could be an

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Speaker 2: Him, including a compick. You cut a player, you're not

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Speaker 4: Right, But again comp picks. The only way you get

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Speaker 2: Got it? Okay?

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Speaker 4: All right, so you're talking with Buddha and DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 2: So those are the two guys who are not at OTAs.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about everyone else who was in attendance, including

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Speaker 5: I like seeing Kyler Murray out there. I thought that

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Speaker 5: that was great. He was out there and his you know,

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Speaker 5: so it was nice to see him out there. Colt

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Speaker 4: Especially since ESPN had just put out an article saying

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Speaker 2: I did not see that.

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing is, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 2: If that was David Blow or I was Jeff driscoll,

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Speaker 2: How is there any speculation if you talk to anyone,

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Speaker 5: Kyler Murray is a very smart player. He wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: Didn't Jonathan Ganna recently tell the little anecdote from the

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Speaker 4: That's the thing about some of this stuff, especially in

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Speaker 4: Like it was funny, Buddha Baker, like we said, hadn't

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Speaker 4: on the field would be more about like, Okay, what

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Speaker 4: are they going to do with him, let's say behind

438
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Speaker 4: center and that kind of stuff, stuff that we've talked

439
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Speaker 4: about a million times, and like, Okay, you would want

440
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Speaker 4: him to get more comfortable if he's going to do.

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Speaker 2: More of that.

442
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Speaker 4: Although it is interesting that every time Jonathan Gannon gets

443
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Speaker 4: brought up about any of the quarterbacks, we're going to

444
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Speaker 4: do what the quarterback is most comfortable with, and maybe

445
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Speaker 4: what is the quarterback is most comfortable with if you're

446
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Speaker 4: Colt McCoy is different than Clayton Tune is different than

447
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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray.

448
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Speaker 2: All right, So Danny, I'm going to run this past you.

449
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Speaker 4: Okay, does she have to better paycheck?

450
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Speaker 2: I'm going to run this past you, Danny, because you

451
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Speaker 2: know you had your question scrutinized by the head coach

452
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Speaker 2: at a press conference I'm wondering if I pose the

453
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Speaker 2: following question, if I asked Jonathan Gannon, Hey, it's a

454
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Speaker 2: paul A pencil neck over here, coach. My question, whatever

455
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Speaker 2: happened to VR? Virtual reality? Whatever happened to the virtual

456
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Speaker 2: reality goggles and the whole deal that twenty fourteen and fifteen,

457
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Speaker 2: Carson Palmer was fond of using like whatever happened to that?

458
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Speaker 2: And wouldn't that be great for any quarterback? He was

459
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Speaker 2: rehabbing a knee injury.

460
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Speaker 4: That ran away when Josh Rosen showed up. Wait what

461
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Speaker 4: Yeah that was gone by the time. Really, yeah, I

462
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Speaker 4: don't think Josh was using that stuff. I think once

463
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Speaker 4: I think Carson really liked it. Yeah, and then once

464
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Speaker 4: Carson left it.

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Speaker 2: But wouldn't that be great for like a quarterback who

466
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Speaker 2: could who was rehabbing knee injury could literally just sort

467
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Speaker 2: of sit there in the chair and VR takes you

468
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Speaker 2: into the pocket of an NFL game, behind an offensive

469
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Speaker 2: line with a pursuing defensive rush with all you're looking

470
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Speaker 2: at the passing lanes, Darren, and you're deciding and boom,

471
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Speaker 2: that's how you get your reps.

472
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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say out loud real quick. I think

473
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Speaker 4: we need to be very careful when we talk about

474
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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray any potential video games.

475
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Speaker 3: Are you asking car to play a video game?

476
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Speaker 2: I didn't think about that.

477
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Speaker 4: Oh boys, you got to you gotta think big picture here.

478
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Speaker 2: That's why I vet out these questions right here on

479
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Speaker 2: Cardinals Underground, brought you by Pacific Office automation, because then boom,

480
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're right, it ends up going

481
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Speaker 2: viral and some you know, idiotic Arizona reporter asked an

482
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Speaker 2: even worse question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe don't ask that one to the couch.

484
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Speaker 2: All right, that's good, Okay, that's good. It's you know,

485
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Speaker 2: I avoided potential disasters. So speaking of the rookie, we

486
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Speaker 2: got to stir it up over here. I told you

487
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Speaker 2: right now, I'm going to stir up the backup quarterback

488
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Speaker 2: controversy in August. So what do we know about Clayton Tune?

489
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Speaker 2: What did we see out there the fifth round? Rookie?

490
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Speaker 2: I was in here carrying Wolfe Keister over the course

491
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Speaker 2: of the media viewing for the OTA this week, Is

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Speaker 2: there anything you can tell me? Do tell about Clayton Tune?

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Speaker 2: Did you do anything that of note? Whatsoever? I shoul

494
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Speaker 2: all right, so I should have vetted out that question too.

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Speaker 2: I'm over to right now.

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Speaker 5: It was just it was limited in what we were

497
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Speaker 5: I feel like really able to see.

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Speaker 4: Allowed to report on the first twenty minutes after that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, But on the im Athlete podcast when Hop was

500
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Speaker 5: talking about the things he's looking for and a team

501
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Speaker 5: and talking about the quarterbacks, he did say he has

502
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Speaker 5: heard good things about the rookie that the Cardinals drafted

503
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Speaker 5: out of Houston, which is Clayton Tune.

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Speaker 2: I'll mark that down as a ding right over here, Okay, going,

505
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Speaker 2: I got that. I'm keeping my list, checking it twice.

506
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Speaker 2: So let's see things that we did see. Zave and

507
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Speaker 2: Collins still at outside linebacker SNEA. In fact, he told

508
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Speaker 2: Wolf on his radio show earlier today as of this recording,

509
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Speaker 2: that you know what he's all about the edge, if

510
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Speaker 2: that's where the Cardinals want him. He said, it feels

511
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Speaker 2: like it frees him up mentally that last year, you know,

512
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Speaker 2: when he's calling the defense. Obviously there's a lot to

513
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Speaker 2: think about. Talked about that this on the Red Sea

514
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Speaker 2: Report with Kyle Vannenbosch, that you know, maybe it frees

515
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Speaker 2: him up athletically, not unlike what it did for a

516
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Speaker 2: Hassan Reddick. You're sitting there an inside linebacker and there's

517
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Speaker 2: a lot to consider. There's a lot coming at you,

518
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Speaker 2: and there's a lot of stuff an offense does purposely

519
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Speaker 2: to confuse the inside linebackers and make them a step slow.

520
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Speaker 2: You go to the edge, there's a far less to process.

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Speaker 2: I said, you know, Kyle, I don't want to minimize

522
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Speaker 2: or you know, diminish your the position you played in

523
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Speaker 2: the metal capacity it takes as an edge rusher. And

524
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Speaker 2: and you know, because I gotta make sure, I mean,

525
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Speaker 2: Vannabosh still stage in shape, I'm not, you know, not

526
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Speaker 2: only not only would he kick my rear, but I

527
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Speaker 2: don't think I could outrun him either, despite like three

528
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Speaker 2: knee injuries. So that's how good a shape he keeps in.

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Speaker 2: Because usually I kind of in the fact that poly

530
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Speaker 2: pencil I can outrun some of these guys at this

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Speaker 2: point in their lives. And so I look, I think

532
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Speaker 2: there's something to that. That is Amon Collins, who has

533
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Speaker 2: all the size, all the explosive athletic ability. If you

534
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Speaker 2: stick him out there and you reduce his job description,

535
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Speaker 2: does that end up with a Hassan reddic type of result.

536
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Speaker 2: And guess what, this coaching staff just had Hassan Reddick

537
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Speaker 2: and Philadel coming off a stellar season. So you can't

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Speaker 2: tell me they don't see similarities.

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Speaker 4: It's very possible, And it's funny to bring that up

540
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Speaker 4: because I think when you talk about b J. O

541
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Speaker 4: Jalari the rookie, that's another guy who I think kind

542
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Speaker 4: of mimics in terms of play style and body type.

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Speaker 2: Has heard that. Several people have said that.

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Speaker 4: O Jelaria said it himself, So I think that's absolutely

545
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Speaker 4: something to point to as a possibility. I think it

546
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Speaker 4: is going to be fascinating if on defense, we line

547
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Speaker 4: up and we see these Cardinals in Week one and

548
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Speaker 4: Xavion Collins is playing edge slash outside linebacker and Isaiah

549
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Speaker 4: Simmons is playing strictly safety, and we're talking about these

550
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Speaker 4: two guys who you brought in as inside linebackers, and

551
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Speaker 4: you're still essentially playing a three to four defense and

552
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Speaker 4: neither one of them are playing the position for which

553
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Speaker 4: you drafted them, and.

554
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Speaker 2: You're starting inside linebackers are Kaiser White and Josh Woods,

555
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Speaker 2: which could be absolutely and look a Kaiser White, and

556
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Speaker 2: we've talked about this. I mean, he knows the Eagles

557
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Speaker 2: defense to Jonathan Gannaton defense cold and there's a reason

558
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Speaker 2: he's I think the only free agent you got serious money, right?

559
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Speaker 2: Is he not the only free agent you got a

560
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Speaker 2: significant contract?

561
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Speaker 4: And more or less, yeah, I wouldn't even necessarily say

562
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Speaker 4: it was significant.

563
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Speaker 2: But it was more than more of a commitment than

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Speaker 2: anyone else. And I'm guessing that's because they probably have

565
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Speaker 2: designs of making him the quarterback of the defense, right.

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Speaker 5: And at Monday's OTAs he was getting some one on

567
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Speaker 5: one reps with linebackers coach sam sefkiz So, I do

568
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Speaker 5: think that's what's going to happen, as Kayzier White will

569
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Speaker 5: probably call the defense. And when Gannon was asked about

570
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Speaker 5: that Monday, he didn't say that, but said that that

571
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Speaker 5: is a discussion that the coaching staff has every day.

572
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Speaker 5: And to me, if you're going to play Zavian not

573
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Speaker 5: even just on the edge, but if you're going to

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Speaker 5: have him be flexible and moving around, I don't think

575
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Speaker 5: i'd want him calling the defense if that were the case,

576
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Speaker 5: even if he's not just on the edge and he

577
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Speaker 5: is still playing a little bit inside. Because what you

578
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Speaker 5: were saying Paul. There's so much going on mentally that

579
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Speaker 5: to then have to assess the whole defense and have

580
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Speaker 5: to communicate all of that and with what you're getting

581
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Speaker 5: from your DC on the sideline, that's a lot going on.

582
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Speaker 5: I wonder if that's was the case when Isaiah Simmons

583
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Speaker 5: was originally had the green dot at the start of

584
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Speaker 5: last season and then it ended up going to Zaveon Collins.

585
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Speaker 5: So I do foresee that it'll probably be Kaiser White

586
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Speaker 5: calling the defense, which makes sense because you're right, he

587
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Speaker 5: has that knowledge, He has that understanding with Nick Rolis,

588
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Speaker 5: the defensive coordinator with Jonathan Gannon, and understands this defense.

589
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Speaker 2: Isaiah Simmons had the green dot for all of about

590
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Speaker 2: the first three quarters of the season opener, and then

591
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Speaker 2: they changed out the helmet in the fourth quarter and

592
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Speaker 2: it was Zavian Collins the rest of the way. And

593
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Speaker 2: by the way he shared with Wolter in that interview

594
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Speaker 2: that remembers Zamon Collins played quite a bit of edge

595
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Speaker 2: down the stretch in December and January, some out of

596
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Speaker 2: necessity because the injuries, but there were certain packages where

597
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Speaker 2: he went to the edge as well in pass rushing

598
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Speaker 2: situations and he said he was still calling the defense

599
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Speaker 2: from the edge and making adjustments like the offense would

600
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Speaker 2: go empty and that's a check. And so he's on

601
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Speaker 2: the edge and he's trying to bark it down the

602
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Speaker 2: line right at everyone what the adjustment is. And there's

603
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Speaker 2: certain code words you think Lucy was one and whatever else,

604
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Speaker 2: And because based on what the offense is doing and

605
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: checking into, you have to respond accordingly. So yeah, that

606
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Speaker 2: was a challenge. And so look which leads me to

607
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Speaker 2: my other simple conclusion about what I think this coaching

608
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Speaker 2: staff will do this year, and one big difference will

609
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Speaker 2: be I think they will effectively simplify things for a

610
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Speaker 2: lot of players on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 4: I think that definitely. Defensively, I think, and I think

612
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Speaker 4: there's a good chance offensively, yes, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure who was in fact could have been.

614
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Speaker 2: Michael bid One on the past podcast made mention that

615
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Speaker 2: there was a lot in Kyler's plate last year, especially

616
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Speaker 2: a lot, and maybe that was because minus Rodney Hudson,

617
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Speaker 2: that he had to take care of a lot. And

618
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Speaker 2: so I think there's going to be a concerted effort

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Speaker 2: to try and reduce maybe all the decision making by

620
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Speaker 2: the quarterback of the defense and your franchise quarterback on offense,

621
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Speaker 2: if you can effectively simplify that which leads me into

622
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Speaker 2: the next one. Center. I mean, if you're looking at

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Speaker 2: the way the Cardinals are currently constructed, you can't tell

624
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Speaker 2: me that you can't make a case to bring in

625
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Speaker 2: a veteran corner, a veteran d tackle, a veteran tight end,

626
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Speaker 2: and then at a top that power pole. Do you

627
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Speaker 2: not put center? At this point? What are you thinking

628
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Speaker 2: going into OTAs we saw John Gains a rookie mining camp,

629
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Speaker 2: I don't know. You guys were there, I was not.

630
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Speaker 2: Was there any sort of team that you saw, were

631
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Speaker 2: able to see who was playing centers? He yelled a

632
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Speaker 2: fro Holt still and John Gains.

633
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Speaker 4: The thing was was and this is where voluntary comes in.

634
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Speaker 4: Everybody wanted to talk about hop and Baker, but again

635
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Speaker 4: it's voluntary, so not everybody comes every day. And the

636
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Speaker 4: day we were out there yelled a fro Holt didn't

637
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Speaker 4: happen to be there.

638
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Speaker 2: So the Danish Army knife wasn't there.

639
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: Neither was James Connor, by the way, and again there's

640
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with that. It just everybody wants to harp on.

641
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Speaker 5: It's almost like you could have asked a question about

642
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Speaker 5: the offensive line lineups at Monday's OTA practice to the

643
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Speaker 5: head coach.

644
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Speaker 2: Dan Let's get into that. What was what was the question?

645
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Speaker 2: It's do a dramatic reenactment, Darren'll be Jonathan Gannon. You

646
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Speaker 2: you'd be your play yourself in this dramatic reenaction.

647
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Speaker 5: So at Monday's OTA's when we were watching practice, there's

648
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Speaker 5: a lot of versatility with the players that were out there,

649
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: and really along most of the offensive line is a

650
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 5: lot of these players have the ability and the experience

651
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Speaker 5: of playing multiple positions on the line. So my question

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Speaker 5: to Jonathan Gannon at the press conference was how much

653
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 5: of the decision behind where each player was practicing today

654
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 5: stems from the fact that that is where you want

655
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Speaker 5: to see them work, or because your starting veteran was

656
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 5: not here and you needed to fill a hole essentially,

657
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Speaker 5: is what I asked him.

658
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: And then Jonathan Gannon said, and I quote, wow, Danny,

659
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 4: that was an aggressive question.

660
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: But he said it with a laugh and a smile, which,

661
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: oh no.

662
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: There was no laugh. In fact, he had that relationship

663
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: was done.

664
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Speaker 3: He was having fun.

665
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 5: I also think he was trying to stall on the

666
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 5: question because my thought was really just about three people,

667
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 5: Josh Jones and the rookies, John Gaines and Paris Johnson Jr.

668
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: Why don't you just ask.

669
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: I did ask that, I don't. I don't know he

670
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: would have.

671
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: John Gaines sure at this point seems like he's taking

672
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: a lot of the snaps when for hold isn't. Lucida

673
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: Smith is out there taking snaps too, But like you said,

674
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: are we going to be surprised if they sign a

675
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: veteran center? I will not.

676
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: No, I won't either.

677
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: But there was a simple water in between them.

678
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 5: It was it was he was really trying to process

679
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: what his answer was.

680
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: It was while Danny that was an aggressive question.

681
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: I just wonder and maybe we'll have to wait, I

682
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 5: guess until mini camp. If assuming that everybody shows up,

683
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 5: is if DJ Humphreyes is able to go out there

684
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: and practice and he's out there as your left tackle,

685
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: where are you going to put Josh Jones? And if

686
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 5: Kelvin Beachum is out at mini camp and he's at

687
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 5: right tackle, where are you gonna put Paris Johnson? So

688
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 5: that was kind of my question, if for a hold

689
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: is that, you know, So just wondering of how much

690
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 5: of the reason we're seeing again mostly Josh Jones, John Gaines,

691
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 5: and Paris Johnson practice where they have been is because

692
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 5: that's where they really want to start seeing if these

693
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 5: players with depth and versatility can really shine or is

694
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: that just you'll likely be a backup for the starter

695
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 5: at that posician who isn't here.

696
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: It is interesting to see how much they sort that out.

697
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: I mean, Beach is another guy who hasn't been around now.

698
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 4: He's put out on social media lots of times his workouts.

699
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: He's clearly working out. He just you know, he's got

700
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 4: a family and he'd rather spend time around them. And

701
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: interestingly enough, i've actually seen him coming I don't know

702
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: if it's to pick up mail or whatever. I've seen

703
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: him Mark twice now since voluntary work has started, where

704
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: he's like come up the ramp with one of his

705
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: kids to pick something up here, So it's he's.

706
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: Around next time he comes up, ask him, you know

707
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: what appetite is for an interior O line position. We

708
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: want to know, all right, hit him up.

709
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: It's going to be very interesting to see how all

710
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: that sorts out. But until until, like Danny said, until

711
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 4: everybody's around, whether it's mandatory mini camp or even training camp,

712
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: where we might not get a good idea.

713
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: And when it comes to positional flexibility, look, the Arizona

714
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: Cardinals started ten different offensive line combinations last year. Correct.

715
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: I think the final number was ten.

716
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: That seems low.

717
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: Might have been a element. I don't know. Somebody get

718
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: in touch with AI otherwise known as Craig Grilo for

719
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: that stat But the positional flexibility has been a necessity

720
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, so I get it, and

721
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: there's definitely unknowns. Paris Johnson Junior be your starting right

722
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: tackle like I think he could be and should be.

723
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: Calvin Beachrim could be kicked inside and then could be

724
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: a swing guy. Will Hernandez could be left or right guard.

725
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: Yelled A Froholt could be your starting center, could contend

726
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: for one of the starting guard spots. Who knows. So

727
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: there is a lot to be determined. I will say

728
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: two things. Number one, DJ Humphreys was in studio with

729
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: us when I did Wolf Show to start off this week,

730
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: and he said he was very close to getting back

731
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: surgery but did not, and he's happy he elected to

732
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: rehabit because he says he's real close to one hundred

733
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: percent and feeling great. So that was good news because

734
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: this surgery would have been a lot more prolonged recovery process.

735
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: And he said his weight is right where he wants

736
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: it right now. He also, he shared with us in

737
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: a side note, that he has to work to keep

738
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 2: his weight up to three hundred pounds.

739
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 4: He looks like it. I actually I've seen Hump enough

740
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 4: times where I'm like, he doesn't look I hate to

741
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: say it, but he doesn't look like a tackle right now.

742
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: And I mean that in a good way. He looks great.

743
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: But he said he puts on by the time you

744
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: get to he's around three hundred right now. By the

745
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: time you get to week one, he'll be around three ten,

746
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: three twelve.

747
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: He's definitely one of those guys that I think is

748
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 4: gonna slim down when his playing career is on.

749
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: And he agreed with that. He called himself more of

750
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: a power forward or wing player, you know what I mean,

751
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: he said, like his dad was a wide receiver. He said,

752
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: so I don't like naturally have a big man's frame,

753
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: even though I'm six five sixty six, so I have

754
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: to work to keep this on and he credit as chef.

755
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: The other thing he said, Dj. Humphreys was about how

756
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: much he looks forward to this rushing attack. And then

757
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: we had Corey Clemen in and he said the same thing,

758
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: that this is going to be much more of a

759
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: straight ahead power run game and get ready because the

760
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: run game will be emphasized a lot more than it

761
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: had with the previous regime.

762
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: That makes sense to me.

763
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 5: I feel like with the running backs in that room,

764
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 5: it does maybe not so much as a power back

765
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: the way James Connor is, but similar styles of kind

766
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 5: of rushing the ball down your throat. And again, if

767
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 5: if you're expecting Kyler Murray to miss hover many games

768
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: to start the season, I would expect more of that

769
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 5: rushing game.

770
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: And then when I mentioned one of my initial takeaways

771
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: from the Cardinals schedule is wow, Cardinals old line is

772
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: going to be tested out of the gates the first

773
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: four games, and he cut me off. He said yeah.

774
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: He said, I actually wondered, have we chease somebody off

775
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: in the league office? You know? So that was DJ Humbery.

776
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: He's like, man, what is going on? He said, it's

777
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: a pretty formidable schedule just start the year if you're

778
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: the offensive line. So look, Cardinals need to get this

779
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: dialed in because whether you're going to get that commander's front,

780
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: which is one of the deepest in the leaguet the

781
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: Giants and Dexter Lawrence in week two and Kevon Thibodeau

782
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: their top pick from a year ago, and then of

783
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: course you get Dallas and they're stout in Micah Parsons

784
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: and then in week four helped me out. Oh the Niners,

785
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: Nick Bosa and Javon Hargrave. So yeah, it's it's gonna

786
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: be an absolute key coming out of camp in that regard.

787
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: So what else stood out from Ota? Is anything else

788
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: that about any of the rookies? Is Michael Wilson continue

789
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: to impress?

790
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: I like what Michael Wilson, I like what he brings

791
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: to the table. I'll be curious. I mean again, so

792
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: much to this is dependent on what happens with DeAndre Hopkins,

793
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: right Like, at this point we can't rule out that

794
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins is going to be part of this offense.

795
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: And if he is, I just think that changes so

796
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: many things. If he's not, you know, what direction do

797
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: you go with? What role does Rondelle Moore have or

798
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 4: Hollywood Brown in what they want to do? I mean,

799
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 4: I think these are all fair questions because again, the

800
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 4: idea that we have a really good idea of what

801
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: these coaches really think of all the holdover players is

802
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 4: just I mean, we don't. No, we don't.

803
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: So are you expecting semi expecting some shocking cuts either

804
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: before camp or by the end of camp?

805
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: Who would be considered shocking? I mean, that's well, I

806
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: mean this has right like a Calvin Beachum.

807
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm tempted to go hot take factory here and Colet McCoy.

808
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: Like, would I be stunned if Colt McCoy got released?

809
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 4: I would not, although I think he's got a decent

810
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: amount of guaranteed money for this year.

811
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: So I also think with the new league rule of

812
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 5: three quarterbacks, yeah, I don't know.

813
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: I think I think with where the roster is, it

814
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: makes it a lot more difficult to have shocking cuts.

815
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: But you don't have a lot of depth. That is true.

816
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 4: But as I said, when this all went down with

817
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: new coaching staff and the new GM like, you just

818
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: you don't know, and usually there are people that get

819
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 4: released You're like, oh, Wow.

820
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: I didn't.

821
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: I didn't think they'd release him. Now we might have

822
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: more of those in terms of instead of release, we

823
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 4: might have more of the Wow. He's on the roster,

824
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 4: but they're not playing them, you know, and you don't

825
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: know what's going to happen. You don't know. I mean,

826
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: Buddha Baker is going to start. But like we're dating,

827
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 4: I were talking about at the practice the other day,

828
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: Like you don't know who's going to be out there

829
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: at cornerback. You would, you would make an assumption like

830
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 4: Marco Wilson would be one of them. But do you

831
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: really know that.

832
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: You don't know that Antonio Hamilton. You have no idea

833
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: what sort of impression he's making. Key troll Clark one

834
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 2: nfl dot com article, he was one of the Day

835
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: three picks who top ten Day three picks that they

836
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: expect to get significant playing time. Okay, he was impressive

837
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: meeting the media. Refreshing to hear someone who was you

838
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: know that just just to be that gratified with getting

839
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: a degree and earning the degree in the educational process

840
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: of being a student athlete and valuing the student end

841
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 2: of it. So that was refreshing to see and and

842
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: you know those rookie corners. I will say this. You

843
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: know what Corey Clement said when I asked him, give

844
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: me a name of a guy who's impressed you out there,

845
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: either an unknown or maybe you know, a rookie or

846
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: I mean a veteran who's winning the off season. And

847
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: you know what he said, that heating. This is his words.

848
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: The TCU running back. And then I had to go,

849
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: here we go, Danny, get your bingo card out. I'm

850
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 2: like TCU running back. Oh, the Paully Pigskin undrafted free

851
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: agent rookie that we named in the powerpol just a

852
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. Amri de Mercado is his name.

853
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 2: Find a minute of American. They list him at five

854
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: nine two fifteen. Mari de Mercado from TCU and hearing

855
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: some good things, pretty good.

856
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: He was one of the fifteen players you're gonna keep

857
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: an eye out for.

858
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: No. No, I think there were six a dozen. I

859
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: think it was Paul. It was six of ten, give

860
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: me fifty percent. I think was five to ten.

861
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be five and then you said

862
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: boat tight ends.

863
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm alridy to de Mercado. According to Corey

864
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: Clements as impressed so far in that one. Now, as

865
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: for position groups other than center that you think they

866
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: a need to address or bolster. What do you think

867
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: between now and training camp? Come on, there's got to

868
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: be a veteran or two that is signed.

869
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 4: There's defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree.

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Speaker 5: I would it would be defensive line or cornerback. But

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Speaker 5: I think I would go with defensive line as well, Which.

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Speaker 4: Is funny because they've already signed a handful of veteran

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Speaker 4: defensive lineman. Now are they high profile?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Are they going to still sign a high profile defensive end?

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Speaker 4: I don't know about that, but I mean, Collier's a veteran,

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Speaker 4: Watkins is a veteran. I know, I'm forgetting somebody else.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just run this out this numerically. This

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Speaker 2: isn't only in order from low to high. Rishard, Lawrence, L. J. Collier,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Strong, Jonathan Ledbetter, Carlos Watkins, Lecky Foe two, Eric Banks,

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Speaker 2: and then of course you got Cam Thomas. You want

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Speaker 2: to stick him down as a five technique here and there,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, bodies, you have names, but there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of unproven guys. There are former high draft picks who

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Speaker 2: have flamed out in their first run with their first team.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, and I agree, corner you would

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Speaker 2: think needs to be addressed. But if you're gonna use

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Speaker 2: a similar role for Isaiah Simmons, he got his most

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Speaker 2: snaps last year at slot corner, So if he's your

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Speaker 2: slot corner and you go with the Marco Wilson Antonio

892
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Speaker 2: Hamilton as your outside corners and then the couple of

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Speaker 2: rookies maybe bolster that group on game day, I would

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Speaker 2: agree that defensive tackle is a likely position group where

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have a signing or two.

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Speaker 5: I would also think that if you do have Jalen

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Speaker 5: Thompson and Buddha Baker and Isaiah Simmons as your safeties,

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Speaker 5: and then you have Marco Wilson, maybe Antonio Hamilton or

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Speaker 5: a few other players, I think that secondary is strong

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Speaker 5: enough to where That's why I would say I think

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Speaker 5: I would prefer to have a veteran defensive lineman signed

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Speaker 5: over a cornerback.

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Speaker 4: I'd also I'd also stress that I think at this point,

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Speaker 4: given where this team is and where this roster is,

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Speaker 4: I don't see a whole lot of influx of a

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Speaker 4: bunch of extra signings. Honestly, I mean, I just don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if guys, if somebody gets hurt, maybe, but

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to be out there bolster.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're you're not looking for the old school

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Speaker 4: time time sign to like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree. I agree. If if it would

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Speaker 2: be a veteran who's still in the street, maybe the

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Speaker 2: first week of camp and they get something very similar

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Speaker 2: to what a Calvin Beecham got between one and two million.

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Speaker 2: You come in and you prove yourself. Maybe there's some

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Speaker 2: incentives in terms of playing time or starts, and yeah

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Speaker 2: it's a nominal deal. But a veteran who's looking to

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Speaker 2: prove themselves not unlike what a James Connor did two

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Speaker 2: years ago when he came in. That's true nominal money,

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Speaker 2: killed it, had a great year, and then sign on

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Speaker 2: the line that has died it for a nice two

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Speaker 2: year extension. So that'd be my expectation as well. By

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Speaker 2: the way, my final contribution to Cardinals Underground brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Pacific Office Automation. I'm thinking we debut something

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Speaker 2: new around here. Mandatory Texans. A couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: we had mandatory Streveler because the fans just loved Chris Streveler,

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Speaker 2: and I saw Chris Streveler.

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Speaker 4: Got a res Mandatory Streveler.

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Speaker 2: I think Streveler's still alive and well in Jets camp,

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Speaker 2: but he got a lot of reps because I'm talking

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Speaker 2: his football NFL career. He's not gone back to the

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Speaker 2: CFL where he was a god up there and he

933
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Speaker 2: won the Great Cup, right, and he had the fur

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Speaker 2: coat and no shirt on and the cowboy hat at

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Speaker 2: the victory parade. Uh, he was getting a lot of

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Speaker 2: reps and attention because Aaron Rodgers strainedest calf in the

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Speaker 2: first open practice for the media and he didn't actually

938
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Speaker 2: have any reps. So during stretching, somehow walking onto the field,

939
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers straining calf and so there were the backup

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks of the Jets. But no, we're looking at mandatory

941
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Speaker 2: Texans because when you own another team's first round pick,

942
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Speaker 2: now shout have the right to look over their block wall.

943
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Speaker 2: And it turns out in the first ota is that

944
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Speaker 2: the media was allowed to watch. C. J. Stroud was

945
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Speaker 2: working second team behind Davis Mills. Boom, there's your break.

946
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Speaker 2: Just to let you know c J.

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Speaker 4: Stroud does not have the neck to compete with the Darren.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't, Just saying, but Mike Lennon does.

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Speaker 4: Mike Glennon does? I think Mike Lennon's out of the

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Speaker 4: league now former Cardinal Great.

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Speaker 2: Yes. By the way, we're all about Davis Mills being

952
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Speaker 2: the Texans quarterback. If you want to ease c J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud in, do you realize that Davis Mills record is

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Speaker 2: Texans quarterback's five twenty two and one.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Davis Mills would give them a worse

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Speaker 4: chance to win than c J. Stroud.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. I'll have to think about.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 2: To think about that one, I mean, you're talking about

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Speaker 2: c J. Stroud broke Drew Brees Big Ten record for

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Speaker 2: touchdown throws over a two year span, just saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: god he did. OK. But yes, there's nothing like a

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Speaker 2: rookie quarterback to bolster your draft picks.

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Speaker 4: He also had, like some of the greatest receivers of

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Speaker 4: all time playing on one college team.

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Speaker 2: You're right, you're right, And one of those receivers is

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Speaker 2: already mocked the Cardinals in twenty four and that'll do

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Speaker 2: it for this addition to Cardinals Underground, brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Pacidic.

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Speaker 4: I did have one more. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to I came across this the other day.

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Speaker 4: I did want to bring this up. I'm sorry, did

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Speaker 4: mean to cut you off. Paul. I just had my

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Speaker 4: anniversary the other day. Oh congratulations, and I realized that

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Speaker 4: my marriage is as old as Danny.

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Speaker 3: That's not that long.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it feels long, your friendship with Danny or your marriage, right,

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Speaker 2: what rich one. We'll leave that hanging