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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema Rewind. This is Rob

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Speaker 1: Limb and this is Joe McCormick, and we're out this week,

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Speaker 1: so we're bringing you a vault episode or I guess

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Speaker 1: are they vault episodes if it's Weird House Cinema. Weird

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Speaker 1: House Cinema Rewind an older episode of the show. This

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Speaker 1: one originally aired February twenty fifth, twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 1: it's one of our few musicals. Have we done any

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Speaker 1: other full length musicals? I'm not sure. Play of Monsters

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Speaker 1: of Monsters, Yeah, both great movies. Actually, this is Billy

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Speaker 1: the Kid in the Green Bay's Vampire. Yeah. I picked

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Speaker 1: this one for rewind, not because it's certainly there are

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Speaker 1: more popular episodes and more popular movies that we've looked at.

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Speaker 1: But this, gosh, this is such a weird and wonderful film.

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Speaker 1: I just want to help signal boost it if it

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Speaker 1: all possible, you know, I'd love to see some sort

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Speaker 1: of proper release of this come out in the future.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see the soundtrack come out in some

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Speaker 1: form or some fashion, which, if memory serves it never has.

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Speaker 1: It's a tragedy and I never had no alligators living

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Speaker 1: in me bath. Yes, so it's a fun one. We

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy. Welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 1: This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And

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Speaker 1: the movie that we're going to be talking about today

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Speaker 1: is one called Billy the Kid and the Green Bays Vampire,

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Speaker 1: a film from English director Alan Clark that came out

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Speaker 1: in either nineteen eighty five, nineteen eighty seven, or nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine, depending on which source on the Internet you check.

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Speaker 1: I really was not able to figure out which one

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Speaker 1: was correct. I'm gonna guess eighty five is right, but

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Speaker 1: who knows. Ye five is what's on IMDb, so that's

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Speaker 1: what I take to go by, but sometimes that's that

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Speaker 1: can be misleading. Yeah, that's canonical. We can just accept it.

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Speaker 1: And this is, as far as I can tell, the

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Speaker 1: world's only supernatural, post apocalyptic billiard sports musical and folks,

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Speaker 1: this is such a fit for Weird House Cinema because

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Speaker 1: this is truly one of the strangest movies I have

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Speaker 1: ever laid eyes on. Yeah, this one I think initially

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Speaker 1: Split Second, the rugger Hower movie that also features one

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Speaker 1: of the actors in this film, Alan Armstrong, and I

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Speaker 1: was looking into Armstrong's work and I saw this curious

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Speaker 1: title and I had to And you know, every time

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Speaker 1: the week that I take a closer look at this picture?

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Speaker 1: And every time I learned a little bit more about it,

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Speaker 1: I was a little more convinced. Well, I know, months

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Speaker 1: from this movie, because again it is a musical, and

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Speaker 1: it was a song where Alan Armstrong is livid because

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Speaker 1: there has been slander h or I guess it would

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Speaker 1: uh oh, it was so good. I remember there's a

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Speaker 1: Oh man, there's so many lines in this movie where

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Speaker 1: of skippable to me. Yeah, and I would agree with

425
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: that very much. I'm not a huge musical guy, I'm

426
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: not even sure exactly what genre we're in. Is this

427
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: kind of like sort of rock musical but sort of

428
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: musical theater. Yeah, it's a mixture. I mean, some songs

429
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: feel like like rock musicals, like they could you know,

430
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: come from from Tommy or anything like that, and other

431
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: ones are just more traditional kind of Broadway musical style

432
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: or I don't know what you'd call it, even even operatic.

433
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: In fact, i'd say my favorite song in the movie,

434
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: I bite Back, is more opera style. Yes, yeah, so, yeah,

435
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: I would agree. When I first started watching this, I

436
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if I'm a huge fan

437
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: of the music, but I fell in love with the

438
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: picture the more I watched it, and afterwards I found

439
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: myself coming back to at least a few of the songs. Yeah. Yeah,

440
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: I also really like the supersonic Sam's Cosmic Cafe song.

441
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: That one's good. Yeah. And then in our final showdown,

442
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of music where we call have

443
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: callbacks to various previous numbers, which was nice. Yeah yeah, Okay,

444
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: So who actually directed this? This was directed by Alan Clark,

445
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: who lived nineteen thirty five through nineteen ninety English director

446
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: perhaps best known for his gritty and serious British dramas

447
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: from the seventies and eighties, including nineteen eighty two's Made

448
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: in Britain, in which Tim Roth plays a neo Nazi

449
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: skinhead youth, oh as well as nineteen seventy nine Scum,

450
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: starring Ray Winston as a juvenile offender. He also did

451
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: a film in nineteen eighty nine titled The Firm, which

452
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with lawyers. Instead, it's about Gary

453
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: Oldman as a soccer hooligan. Nothing okay, so this is

454
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: not the Tom Cruise John Grisham adaptation. Right. Um, he

455
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: did a lot of TV work. I feel like those

456
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: three films seem to sort of signify a lot of

457
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: what he was about. You know, like these are three

458
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: different films about like really you know, disturbed and or

459
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: violent members of sort of the the you know, the

460
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: British working class. Um. A lot of his work is

461
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 1: very political, and again, despite the weirdness and light hearted spirit,

462
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, more or less of this film, they're obvious

463
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: political overtones as well. It's about you know, who owns

464
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: this game, you know what's going on in society at

465
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: the time. Uh, you know, who has who has the power,

466
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: who has the balls? Uh that that comes into play

467
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: in the final the final showdown, Like there's this we'll

468
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: get to it in a bit, but yeah, there's this

469
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: idea of like the balls or the power of society

470
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: and who has access to it and who is who

471
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: is dominating the playing field to an unfair degree. Yeah

472
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: and yeah. So this is, i would say, pretty straightforwardly

473
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: a class war movie, and class in the British sense

474
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: of like more overtly acknowledged existence of class strata in society,

475
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: where there's like a self conscious upper class that they

476
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: think of themselves as the upper class, and they are

477
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: very mad about the idea that you know, that that

478
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: riff raff are invading their institutions. They don't want just

479
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: you know whatever, guy who just stumbled drunk out of

480
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: a video arcade to come lay snooker against them. This

481
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: is a gentleman's sport, don't you understand. Yeah, don't be

482
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: coming in here with your green hair, all right. The

483
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: writer on this was Trevor Preston, who lived nineteen thirty

484
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: eight through twenty eighteen, known for such films as two

485
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: thousand and threes, I'll Sleep when I'm Dead starting Clive

486
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: Owen and the nineteen seventy two psychological thriller What the

487
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: Peeper Saw. Have not seen any of those. Since this

488
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: is a musical, I'm going to go ahead mention the

489
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: music credit on this before we get into the cast.

490
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: So George Finton born nineteen forty nine has the music

491
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: of credit here. Five time Academy Award nominee, responsible for

492
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: numerous scores including Groundhog Day, Mary Riley, The Fisher King,

493
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: The Company of Wolves, and Cry Freedom. He also scored

494
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: The Wolves. Yeah, yeah, that's the if I'm remembering correctly,

495
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: that's the one where you had the wolf mouth coming

496
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: out of the human mouth transformation. Right, it's a Neil

497
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: Jordan film. I want to say, yes, yes, it's right.

498
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: That one is very weird. Also that we can possibly

499
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: talk about that in the future on the show. Finton

500
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: also scored numerous documentaries, including several David Attenborough documentaries, So

501
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: like The Big Banner, David Attenborough, It's like Blue Planet,

502
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: and so forth. If you've seen one of those, you've

503
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: probably listened to George Finton's music. He also did a

504
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of theater work as well well. Like I said

505
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: on this one, I would not say. The music doesn't

506
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: have me across the board, but the highlights are really good. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

507
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: One of the weird things about the score for this

508
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: film is, as far as I can tell, it was

509
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: never released in any format. I could find no evidence

510
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: of it ever coming out on vinyl or cassette, much

511
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: less on CD or as a digital album. It seems

512
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: like a real shame, especially now with all these like

513
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: special editions that come out of cult favorite scoors and soundtracks.

514
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: Can't you imagine that the Green Bay's vinyl It just

515
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: screams to be done. I don't know why it hasn't. Oh,

516
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: how would they do? Well? What like right in the

517
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: middle part that doesn't play, it's like the green felt

518
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: or yeah, or it's even it's made out of it's

519
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: made out of repurposed que balls or something. Yeah, there's

520
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: so many directions you could go, and I guess it

521
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: just hasn't happened yet for one reason or another. Noah, Well,

522
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: whoever owns the rights issue that thing? Yeah, all right,

523
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: let's get into the cast. Uh, it's Billy the Kid

524
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: in the Green Bay's Vampire. So let's start with Billy.

525
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid is played by Phil Daniels born nineteen

526
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: fifty eight. This is our Cockney Nukar hero actor of stage,

527
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: screen and TV who appeared in Quadrophenia, Zulu, Dawn, Scum,

528
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: The Bride. That's the Frankenstein film that has Staying in it,

529
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: among others. He was a voice in Chicken Run and

530
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: he's in the music video for Blur's Park Life, in

531
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: which he plays a singing salesman. So he was in

532
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I think he was the lead role in Quadrophenia, playing

533
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: playing So that's another sort of rock opera from the

534
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: who most people know Tommy but don't know Quadrophenia. Yeah,

535
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't think. I actually like Quadrophenia a good bit

536
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: better if at least I've never seen the movie, to

537
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: be honest, but I love the album and I think

538
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: he's the main kid in that who's also like a

539
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of like he is in this sort of a

540
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: board slightly threatening disaffected youth. Yeah, yeah, that is he

541
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: singing in quadr Fia, do you know. Yeah, I don't

542
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: know if the movie Quadraphenia is like Tommy the movie

543
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: where they have like, you know, different actors come in

544
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: and do the parts, or if it's just like you

545
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: know that they're playing the actual album with Roger Dultry

546
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: singing and so forth. Okay, Now, the character of Billy

547
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: the Kid here is allegedly based on real life snooker

548
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: player Jimmy White born nineteen sixty two, who's still active

549
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: today and professional snooker and is a three time world

550
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: champion nicknamed the Whirlwind. Highest ranking was I think number

551
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: two in the world. Now could you find anywhere or

552
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: the actual snooker players that these characters are based on

553
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: have commented on this movie. I did not. I couldn't

554
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: find anybody really commenting on this movie. I don't know

555
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: if it if it just like if it came out

556
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: at a bad time, or they didn't know how to

557
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: promote it, like I was. A lot of times you'll

558
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: find actors like say David Warner talking about just various

559
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: small films they did and having some something to say

560
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: about them. And I couldn't find anybody anybody commenting on

561
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: this film. I don't know of it if it doesn't

562
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: have quite strong enough of a cult following, or or

563
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: what the situation is. I mean, nobody's saying doesn't seem

564
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: to be Nobody seems to be saying anything negative about it,

565
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: but they don't seem to even be acknowledging that it happened.

566
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just missing a juicy interview here or there. Well, well,

567
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: I would also speaking of actors commenting on the roles,

568
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: like David Warner going back, I would love to hear

569
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: what Alan Armstrong thinks about this. So should we talk

570
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: about Alan Armstrong? He plays the titular vampire Maxwell Randall,

571
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: the the the Green Bay's villain of the night. Yes, yes,

572
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Alan Armstrong are scowling Prince of darkness and snooker. So

573
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: we talked about him on our Split Second episode a bit.

574
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, he has probably I think one of the

575
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: best sneers in all of cinema, the best scowls he can.

576
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: He can look with such disdain at the camera or

577
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: at other other characters on screen in a in a

578
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: way that I don't know other faces cannot. He has

579
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: a true gift. Yeah, he's excellent in this. I mean

580
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: he's great in everything I think I've seen him in. Well,

581
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was all that memorable and

582
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: Split Second, but that was not really an actor's workshop

583
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: kind of movie. He was still memorable, though, he played

584
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: Rudger Howerd's character's boss. He was just in a snarling

585
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: rage the whole time his character and that his name

586
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: was Thrasher. So they just get into argument very much

587
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: like every conversation is sort of like badge, I'm taking

588
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: your badge and your gun sort of a thing. You're

589
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: taking it too personal. You're off the force, you're a

590
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: loose cannon. Here's your new partner. Yeah. But but Armstrong's

591
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: been in tons of stuff. I think he was something

592
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: of of a workaholic for a long time. He's been

593
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: in TV movies, stage productions, often plays sort of scowling

594
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: authority figures and the like. His first screen credit was

595
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy ones Get Carter, and he's had other notable

596
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: roles in such pictures as The Duellists Krall Krall. Yeah,

597
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: he's kind of not as recognizable in Krall because he's

598
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: he's got like his beard's grown out and he I

599
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: don't know, he doesn't look as as as Alan Armstrong

600
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: as he often does, if that makes sense. I remember

601
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: from when I was younger, I have a very firm

602
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: stamp of his face from the movie Braveheart, which is

603
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: which is not a great movie, not just for its

604
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: historical inaccuracy, but I think is sort of egregious in

605
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: many ways, but has a fantastic cast. I love Patrick

606
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: Magoohan as the mustache twirling King in it. Yeah, yeah,

607
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: he was in some big name pictures for a spell there.

608
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: He was in Sleepy Hollow, The Mummy Returns Van Helsing

609
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Oliver Twist so and he's done very very well for himself,

610
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: it seems. But he's exactly the sort of actor that

611
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: has appeared on both Tales from the Crypt and Downton Abbey,

612
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: which I think that's all you need to know about

613
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: Alan Armstrong. It like that covers sort of the sort

614
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: of roles he can play and the sort of roles

615
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: he often does play. But so okay, Billy the Kid

616
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: was apparently at least loosely based on a real snooker player,

617
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: and The Green Bays Vampire is as well. Yes, that

618
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: is even more of a case with this character, The

619
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: Green Bays Vampire Maxwell. The Bays Vampire is based on

620
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: Welsh professional snooker player Ray Reardon born nineteen thirty two,

621
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: still alive as of this recording, now retired, but he

622
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: was a six time world champion at one time ranked

623
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: number one in the world. And I don't I've not

624
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: read anything to indicate that this guy was a meanie

625
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: or a villain in real life. But his nickname, and

626
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: it seems like all these major snooker players have nicknames.

627
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: His nickname was Dracula because he had a pronounced widow's

628
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: peak and kind of sharp looking teeth. Yeah, he looks

629
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: like somebody who would be a Bella Legosi copycat in

630
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: a parody film about Dracula. Yeah, you can see why

631
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the nickname stuck. Now, now as you're saying, though, I

632
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: want to be careful this movie casts I would say strong.

633
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: You know, you could even say moral aspersions on all

634
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: of its characters, even the alleged hero, But I don't

635
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: think that's meant to apply to this, this real life guy,

636
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: this actual snooker player. As far as I can tell,

637
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: it's more of an esthetic inspiration, right, Yeah, sort of like, well,

638
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: you know that guy that they called Dracula, what have

639
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: he really was a vampire? Yeah, and you can imagine

640
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: sort of the conversation and the brainstorming session that carried

641
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: on from there. The other thing that's a parallel, which

642
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: is interesting, is that in the movie, Alan Armstrong, screen

643
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: based vampire does product endorsements. So he's like filming a

644
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: TV commercial where he gets up out of a coffin

645
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: and then sprays breath freshener in his mouth. But you

646
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: shared a video of this guy in a beer commercial,

647
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: and I gotta say, great beer commercial. Yeah, Like the

648
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: announcer is asking him, does does two bore gold help

649
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: you play better snooker? And he's excuse me, snooker and

650
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I just like to drink it. And

651
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: product endorsement. There you go. Anyway, Yeah, I think Armstrong

652
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: is great in this role. Um, it's uh, it's wonderful

653
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: because he's he gets to be kind of a very

654
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: much a vampire at times. He gets to be a

655
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: supernatural menace, but he also is like this human being,

656
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, So he's he's not completely unrelatable, even though

657
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: he is a bit nasty and egotistical and very much

658
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: out for blood against this young generation of snooker player. Um,

659
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: but but I don't know, it's it's it's a really

660
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: good performance if you if you like this guy, this

661
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: is definitely a movie to see. Yeah, he's he's a

662
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: little bit sympathetic because even though he's clearly a bad guy,

663
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: he's also having a hard time, like they are printing

664
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: slander about him or excuse me, libel in the newspapers,

665
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: and he's to some extent being manipulated, as we'll get

666
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: into as well. Yeah, all right. Another major character in

667
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: this is the character t O, which stands for the One.

668
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: That's another connection to Quadrophenia. Oh yeah, you know that song. No,

669
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not familiar with Quadrophenia at Oh well,

670
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: look at the song I'm the One. It's a song

671
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: in Quadrophine. I assume this is just a coincidence. But yes,

672
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: t O, the one played played by Bruce Payne. Yes,

673
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: born nineteen fifty eight. I'd say there's a very good

674
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: chance most of you out there are familiar with Bruce

675
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: Payne as a B movie villain, thanks to various roles

676
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: in such films as The Howling six, The Freaks, Necronomicon,

677
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: Book of the Dead, Passenger fifty seven, Warlock three The

678
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: End of Innocence. That's where he takes over the lead

679
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: role from Julian Sands, who played the Warlock in the

680
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: first two pictures. You know he looks a little bit

681
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: more like Julian Sands in this movie when he's got

682
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: the blonde hair. That's right. Yeah, I think most of

683
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: us picture if you think of Bruce Payne, if you

684
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: think of Bruce Payne at all, you picture like a bald,

685
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: scowling British villain. But in this picture he's younger, you know,

686
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: thinner Handsomer looks very very much came out of the

687
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: same clone that as Julian Sands. Oh, but he was

688
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: also he was in Highlander in games. That's the one

689
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: that had both Christopher Lambert and what's his name, Adrian Paul,

690
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: the guy from the TV series. Oh, I didn't know that.

691
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I haven't either. It's I don't

692
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: think it was extremely well received. But he's in that more.

693
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Is it one of the more swordfighting focused ones or

694
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: one of the more hand to hand martial arts ones?

695
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's one where they I think they

696
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: tried to bring the film franchise in the TV franchise

697
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: together into like one final showdown, while also of course

698
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: continuing to ignore Highlander too. The Quickney well there's your

699
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: problem right there, right exactly. Bruce Payne was also in

700
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: the year two thousands Dungeons and Dragons starting alongside Jeremy Irons. YEP.

701
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: I looked up because I've seen that movie and oh,

702
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I recall it being not good but

703
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: quite a fun viewing experience because it's it's in the

704
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: unintentionally hilarious category and it's got Jeremy Irons playing some

705
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of frothing Warlock. I remember him being it being

706
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: one of the most hyperactive performances I've ever seen, and

707
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: I think Bruce Payne plays like his main Warlock Henchman.

708
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: He's like bald with blue lips and he's got weird

709
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: snakes coming out of his head and stuff. Yeah, yeah,

710
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: I think I watched it once and it yeah, it was.

711
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: I was not taken by it. It did not reflect

712
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: well on Dungeons and Dragons for me. I recall it

713
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: being the kind of movie that, like, when they want

714
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: to show blood or some other kind of liquid, like

715
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: running down a set of stairs, they had it was

716
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: like CGI blood, but it was like year two thousand

717
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: CGI Blood, And I was like, how much would it

718
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: have cost to just like film actual liquid pouring down

719
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: these stairs. Maybe they were like, we gotta get that.

720
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: We gotta get a better rating. We gotta get the

721
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: kids in. So just make the blood as fake as possible.

722
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: All right. So that's Bruce Payne. He's these are you

723
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: good in this? Like? I say, well, this is not

724
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: the Bruce Payne that most of you are familiar with.

725
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: In this picture, he's singing. He's a lot more fun.

726
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: He's not just a scowling villain who gets punched in

727
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: the face by a hero, you know. Speaking of the singing,

728
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you agree with me on this, Rob,

729
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: but I will say that, while in general the cast

730
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: is great in this movie, most of the players do

731
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: not seem to have been cast on the basis of

732
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: singing ability. It's more like they were cast as actors

733
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: and then it was like you can sing too, right, Yeah,

734
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But I would say that the

735
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: next person we're going to talk about, Louise Gold, is

736
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: probably the best straightforward singer in the cast. She sings

737
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: the song where you hear the name of the movie,

738
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid in the Green Bays Vampire. It's during

739
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: like a practice montage, and she's great, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

740
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: Louise Gold playing Miss Sullivan the troublemaking journalist. Gold was

741
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: born nineteen fifty six, and she's had quite a career

742
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: as both a screen and a stage act. There she

743
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: was in the nineteen eighty two film adaptation of the

744
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Pirates of Penzance, but she's probably best known as a

745
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: puppeteer who worked on numerous Jim Hinson productions over the years.

746
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: I was quite surprised to read this. Yeah, and when

747
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying Jim Hinson productions, I'm talking the Original Muppet Show,

748
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: the original The Dark Crystal. She's credited as a performer

749
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: for the Gormon Skexi's character. She also worked on the

750
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Muppet Christmas Carol, she came back to work on The

751
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: Dark Crystal, The Age of Resistance, just to name a few.

752
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: She also appears as a ballroom dancer in Labyrinth. I

753
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: think she also did various live action dance bits on

754
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: The Muppet Show in addition to her puppeteer work. So

755
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: anytime they needed an actual human being moving along, maybe

756
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: dancing in the background, Louise Gold was one of the

757
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: people they turned to. So yeah, I would say she

758
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: is also great in this. I think she's the best

759
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: singer in the cast. But also has a very good

760
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: sort of cold closed affect. Is the utterly unscrupulous snooker journalist. Yep.

761
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: Now she's not the only female character. We also have

762
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: Miss Randall. That's Maxwell's wife, who's who's very supporting, a

763
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: very I think, a strong character. She has his back,

764
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: she has his side. She drives him to the Stoker

765
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: Championship match there in a motorcycle and he's in the

766
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: little sidecar. A brilliant, very good staging because they're driving

767
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: through green fog and the vampires wearing this helmet with

768
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: and she's not wearing a helmet. Oh god, these scenes

769
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: of driving, you might think, well, the driving scenes, those

770
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: are the ones that are shot outdoors. No, these are shot.

771
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: If you've ever watched Garth Marenghe's Dark Place, Yeah, they

772
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: do those driving sequences. This is the same technique, like

773
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: I can. I don't know if there are other films

774
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: or other TV shows that that prominently use this method

775
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: of creating the effect of driving at night, but that

776
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised to learn that this was

777
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: one of the reference points for Dark Place. Oh it's

778
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: so dark place. Everyone's about to be Why can't she

779
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: be mine? I wish I were more attractive like Daglas. Yeah. Anyway.

780
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Miss Randall, though, is played by Eve Farrett, who was

781
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: born in nineteen sixty three. British actress, comedian, singer, songwriter

782
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: came up in burlesque and then appeared in such films

783
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: as Haunted, Honeymoon, Absolute Beginners, which I believe also had

784
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: had pain in it. But then she also pops up

785
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: in the David Bowie short film music video Jazzin for

786
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: Blue Jean. Yeah, she's really good in this. She always

787
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: has a I think the whole movie has a toy

788
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: poodle in her arm in every scene. And there's a

789
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: great scene where Alan Armstrong is having fits because a

790
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: bunch of libel has been printed in the newspaper by

791
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: miss Sullivan and making all these allegations about him, and

792
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: he hands the paper to his wife and she's reading

793
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: it and he, you know, he's like screaming, and she

794
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: just says, what does it terrible turkey? Oh yeah, Yeah,

795
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: she's good. And then she's got some pipes. She's, oh yeah,

796
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: kind of opera soprano singing. All right, Now we have

797
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: another great character actor and this Don Henderson plays the

798
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Wednesday Man who's kind of a British underworld figure that

799
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: plays an important part in the plot. I thought I

800
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: recognized this guy from somewhere, and I was like, what

801
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 1: is that strange hair beard combination? Why have I seen

802
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: this before? And why do I pair it with this

803
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: gravelly voice? And then I saw your note and I

804
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my lord, he's in Star Wars. He's

805
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: in the scene on the Death Star. Yes, he plays

806
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: in seventy seven Star Wars. He plays that imperial general

807
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: who's choked out by Darth Vader for his disturbing lack

808
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: of faith. No, no, no, I think I think it's

809
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: the younger guy, the other guy who's like, he's all

810
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: about how good the Death Star is and how it's

811
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: better than Vader. Yes, you're right. They look very similar

812
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: except um, yeah, except for Don Henderson has has has

813
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: an evil er face so and kind of a more

814
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: of a you know, a rat like he has rat

815
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: like eyes. So yeah, this guy's never gonna get choked

816
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: out by Vader. He's gonna he's gonna fall in line.

817
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: He's only gonna be as as snotty as he needs

818
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: to be. He knows how to maintain his place within

819
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: the Imperial ranks. I think he's the guy who's saying,

820
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: if the rebels are able to obtain a technical readout, yes, Yeah, wonderful, wonderful,

821
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: little nasty role. And I think he made kind of

822
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: a career of such roles. But he pops up in

823
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: a number of pictures. He was in Brazil, and he

824
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: was also in the Adventures of Baron Munchausen. He was

825
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: in the Island opposite Michael Caine and David Warner. He

826
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: also played the Ghoul in nineteen seventy five's The Ghoul

827
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: opposite Peter Cushing and a very young John Hurt. I

828
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 1: actually looked that one up. That one looks I haven't

829
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: seen it. It looks like it may be rather culturally insensitive,

830
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: but also has a great hammer style cast. Yeah, yeah,

831
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it either, but but yeah, the cast

832
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: looks interesting and John Hurt looks I don't know how

833
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: old he was when that film was made, but he's

834
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: far younger than I'm used to seeing John Hurt, like

835
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: the the wrinkles had not really set in yet. Yeah,

836
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: that he is a spring chicken now another actor I

837
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: just want to mention, not because he really has any

838
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: connections to anything, but just because he's really on in

839
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: this picture is Neil McCall, who plays Big Jack Jay.

840
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: What is this guy supposed to be? I guess he's

841
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: like the the snooker hype man. He just comes out

842
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: when the snooker game is about to begin. He comes

843
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: out to sing a song about how snooker is awesome. Yes, uh,

844
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: snooker so much, so much more than just a game.

845
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: That's the that's the song, and it's just such a

846
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: performance and it's all about yes, we no matter what

847
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: our differences are, you know, snooker is the best. Snooker

848
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: brings us together. It's it's not just it's not just

849
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: a game, it's the world, you know. He talks about

850
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: how if you get to heaven it's going to be

851
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: green bays everywhere. Yes, so anyway, it's a tremendously flamboyant performance.

852
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: Neil McCall was born nineteen forty seven. Still active. He

853
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: also had a small part in nineteen eighty three's The

854
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: Pirates of Penzance, did a lot of TV work, and

855
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: has also done a fair amount of voiceover work in

856
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: animation in video games. He's wearing a great like sort

857
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: of green satin. Almost Paisley Blazer in this, and he's

858
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: got a pompadour. Rachel walked through the room and she

859
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh is Morrissey in this? It's not him,

860
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: but it's not. A hair is similar, but the hair

861
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: is great. One more person, just to mention, Clive Tickner

862
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: born nineteen forty three, with cinematographer on this picture. We

863
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: don't always highlight the cinematographer, but it's interesting because he

864
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: was also the cinematographer on nineteen ninety two Split Second,

865
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: which we refer to already, another movie without a sky.

866
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: Really that sort of takes place all within tunnels, even

867
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: when it's allegedly outdoors. Yeah, so you can see the

868
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: you can see the DNA in both of them. Okay, well,

869
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: should we talk a little bit about the plot and

870
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: some of our favorite scenes? Oh yes, let's do it

871
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: all right. Well, as I already mentioned, it starts off saying, hey,

872
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: this movie is called Billy in the Vampire. If anybody

873
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: tells you different, don't believe them. So the first scenes

874
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: we get of the characters are inner cutting between two

875
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: different scenes in different places. So we're watching Billy the

876
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Kid again. This is Phil Daniels are in the words

877
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: of I think, in the words of the Wednesday Man,

878
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: he's our cockroach, cockney cowboy. He's got a strong, curly mullet,

879
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: and he's doing like late night private snooker games for

880
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: big cash bets. He's making money. Yeah. And then meanwhile,

881
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: t O is that's Bruce Payne. He's somewhere else. He's

882
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: gambling at a card game. I think it's supposed to

883
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: be poker, and it's revealed that he is in some

884
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: kind of debt to a very scary loan shark. And

885
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 1: this is the Wednesday Man. And again, both scenes feel

886
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: like they are taking place inside a fallout shelter where

887
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: lightbulbs are as rare as gold, because both scenes are

888
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: illuminated only by scant little bits of light and there's

889
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: just flooding darkness all around. Yeah, so we're in the catacombs,

890
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: and the first thing we get is that already this

891
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: world is all cutthroat competition. Billy's playing snooker for high

892
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: sums of money. Ato is gambling for big pots. And

893
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: I will say that from the beginning both of these,

894
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: though I guess there are protagonists, sort of, they're not

895
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: traditional lovable sweetheart protagonists like you might get in some

896
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: other musical. Both of them already have a kind of

897
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: sort of nasty, nihilistic edge, like you could imagine Billy

898
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: the Kid killing somebody with a broken bottle outside a

899
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: pub over an argument that started on a like Missus

900
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: pac Man cabinet. Yeah. Yeah, these are not actors who

901
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: are involved with snooker because they just love the game.

902
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: It's because they want the money. In fact, though, I

903
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: think the first song, or one of the first songs

904
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: in the picture is about the money. It's called green tickets,

905
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: referring green stamps, green stamps, I'm sorry, referring to cold

906
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: hard cash. Is that what it is? I thought that's

907
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: what it was, but I didn't. This is one of

908
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: the many things I was like, I think there's some

909
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: cultural thing I'm missing here. Could this be about some

910
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: kind of coupons? No, I think it's just about cash.

911
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: I think it's cash, yes, and I could be wrong,

912
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: but that's that's certainly what I got from it. What

913
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: else would these these guys be singing about. I don't know. Well, actually,

914
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: let me clay. I think for I think t O's

915
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: into the money, and I think Billy. I wouldn't say

916
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: he's in it for the love of the game. I

917
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: would say Billy is in it for ego. He seems

918
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: to be like he wants to be the best in

919
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: the world. He wants everybody to recognize that he's number one. Right, Yeah,

920
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's he's taking the money, and he's

921
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: he seems to be blowing all the money. Yeah, and

922
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: he's but he's he's living life like there's no tomorrow. Yeah.

923
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: His relationship with the money is interesting. So it's like

924
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: he wants the money, but then he also he's not

925
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: trying to save up or anything, Like he gets out

926
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: of his first game and he seems to be just

927
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: wandering around, like handing out stacks of cash to people

928
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: living on the streets, which makes him seem like nice.

929
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: But he's also I think, living a life of shallow luxury,

930
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: Like he just he just wants fancy cars and cool

931
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: clothes and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's not really Robin

932
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: Hood so much. It's it's more like he disdains the

933
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: money as much as he disdains anything else. But again

934
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: to point out that, so he's wandering around outside in

935
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: the streets and it's clearly it's not outside. The outside

936
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: is inside. He's in some kind of pitch black tunnel

937
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: with just these little showers of sickly light coming out

938
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: of something overhead. And then after this we basically get

939
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: the set up to the plot. So t O he

940
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: has his gambling, he's playing cards, and after this he

941
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: goes to deliver a big pot of money to settle

942
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: outstanding debts with the Imperial Officer the Wednesday Man, and

943
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: again some set notes, he goes to meet him in

944
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: a place that looks like an underground construction site where

945
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: everything is draped in tarps. Oh, and here begins a

946
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: funny thread that goes throughout the movie. So he has

947
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: the money that he owes the Wednesday Man, but the

948
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: Wednesday Man won't accept it because it is a couple

949
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: of minutes past midnight, making it a Thursday. And the

950
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: Wednesday Man apparently just like only does things on Wednesdays,

951
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: and so if you don't get him his money before

952
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: midnight on Wednesday, then your twenty five thousand dollar debt

953
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: turns into one hundred thousand. Yeah. I love it, Like

954
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: they never explain it, so it's almost kind of like

955
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: like sea level batman villain kind of weirdness. So yeah,

956
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: I absolutely love this. The Wednesday Man is only going

957
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: to do crimes on Wednesday. On Thursdays, no, no, no longer.

958
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: Just see him next week if you're still trying to

959
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: do crimes on Thursday's. Yeah, it's like I'm the clock King.

960
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: I only accept payment in clock. The Wednesday Man only

961
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: accepts payment on Wednesdays. And the other thing I was

962
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: thinking of. He's kind of like a Dick Tracy villain,

963
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: and that's say, yes, you know you've got you've got

964
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: little face and you've got the Wednesday Man and the

965
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: Wednesday Man, you know, close for business six out of

966
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: seven days. Yeah, I love it. But anyway, so Tio's

967
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: in trouble now because he got there a little bit late.

968
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: So the Wednesday Man offers him a way out. It's like,

969
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: you owe me a hundred thousand dollars. But TiO is

970
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid's manager, and so the Wednesday Man tells him,

971
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you can arrange a snooker grudge match

972
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: between Billy the Kid and Maxwell Randall aka the Green

973
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: Bay's Vampire, you're going to be off the hook. I'll

974
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: let your debts go and I think the idea at

975
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: this point is that there might be some kind of

976
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: fixed to the match, though the it's not fully agreed

977
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: at this point. Oh and he finishes up by saying,

978
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: be sure to make it a Wednesday. Yeah. Well, the

979
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Wednesday Man does not seem like a character who plays fair,

980
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: so you just assume that he has some sort of

981
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: scheme in mind, and we of course find out more

982
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: about that as the plot rolls on. Right, So next

983
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: we go to meet the green based vampire himself, Maxwell

984
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: Randall O b E. And we meet him when he

985
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: is filming a TV commercial. So first we just see

986
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: him like pop up out of a coffin and approach

987
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: the camera and he's got these big fangs. But then

988
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: he shoots himself in the mouth with breath freshen or spray.

989
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: And this is the scene I mentioned earlier that has

990
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: the closest thing we ever get to seeing the sky

991
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: or outdoors, because there's a fake red sky behind the

992
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: windows in the set. But yeah, he comes up and

993
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: then they call cut and they're like, Okay, yeah, a

994
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: nice job or actually not a nice job. I think

995
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: they say average job, Maxwell, And he's going to come

996
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: back and shoot some more stuff later. But this is

997
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: when I first had the question, like, wait a minute,

998
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: is he actually a vampire or not? I have questions

999
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: about the reality of this movie, like what is taken

1000
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: to be literal really fact within the narrative, right, because

1001
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: at this point in the film, it's like, Oh, he's

1002
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: not really a vampire. This is just his persona and

1003
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: he plays it up professionally, and he's definitely playing it

1004
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: up for a TV commercial. But we also established early

1005
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: on that Maxwell Randall is a jerk and a creep,

1006
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: Like we see him trying to get handsy with a

1007
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: makeup artist. So Maxwell not cool, right, But then we

1008
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: follow him home and oh this is this is where

1009
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: we get to see that he's not just playing up

1010
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: the vampire persona in the outside world. It's also very

1011
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: much his his his home fashion choice as well. Oh yeah,

1012
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: so he in his house. This is one of my

1013
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: favorite sets in the movie, in a movie full of

1014
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: great sets, floor to ceiling black marble patterned wallpaper, I

1015
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: mean just awesome red velvet furniture it looks like and

1016
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: a giant framed portrait of Bella Legosi. I was wondering, wait,

1017
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: is this supposed to be Maxwell Randall, but when I

1018
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: got a good look, I'm like, no, that's Bella Legosia. Yeah,

1019
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: and no windows anywhere nowhere to be seen. Second question

1020
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: about the reality of the supernatural elements, is Missus Randall

1021
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: also supposed to be a vampire because we see that

1022
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: she has sharp teeth as well. I kind of get

1023
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: the impression that yet anyone in his circle could potentially

1024
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: be a vampire, though we rarely see any other signs

1025
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: except the fact that they never go out in the

1026
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: daylight because daylight doesn't exist in this None of the

1027
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: kid's go out in the daylight. Yea yeah. So in

1028
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 1: this scene we get sort of the setup of both

1029
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: the rivalry between the two snooker players and the class

1030
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: war themes. So this is where the snooker journalist, Miss

1031
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: Sullivan comes in, and so she arrives in Maxwell Randall's

1032
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: house to interview him about the possibility of this grudge

1033
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: match between him and Billy the Kid. Actually, I think

1034
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: she starts off just saying, like, tell me what you

1035
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: think about how snooker is going these days, And of

1036
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: course Maxwell hates the very idea of the younger generation

1037
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: of snooker players, and he hates Billy the Kid. There

1038
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: are a lot of great quotes here. He says, the

1039
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: twenty percent men have moved in with their smiles, like

1040
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: wet soap and their five hundred pounds suits. Ten years ago,

1041
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: it was still a gentleman's game. Now it's a circus.

1042
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: Permed hair, open collars. What does he does? He say,

1043
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: luminous waistcoats. I'm not sure what that means. But then

1044
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: the final straw where he starts to like lose it

1045
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: as he says, ques that unscrew in the middle. Yeah,

1046
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: I had no idea that that was that was considered uncool.

1047
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: I always thought that was kind of cool, right their mobile,

1048
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: you can unscrew him in the middle. But I think

1049
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: that means like a cheaper one. I don't know. Like

1050
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: he's he's really upset that the underclasses are gaining access

1051
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: to snooker. He says that one of the players has

1052
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: green hair. Billy the Kid is the worst of them,

1053
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: the worst of them all, and he starts screaming about him,

1054
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: and he gets so mad that he like literally becomes paralyzed,

1055
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: like he can't week anymore, until Sullivan just leaves. It's

1056
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: a great meltdown. Yeah, and so here we get our themes.

1057
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: The Green Bay's Vampire he wants snooker to remain a

1058
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: dignified game for the upper classes, and Billy the Kid

1059
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: represents everything he hates, un landed riff raff from the

1060
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: street coming in to turn his beloved snooker into an

1061
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: ashtray farce. But so we've had the journalist visit the

1062
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: Green Bay's Vampire at home, and now we apparently are

1063
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: going to visit Billy the Kid at more or less

1064
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: his home, which is Supersonic Sam's Cosmic Cafe. Another unbelievably

1065
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: weird set piece, this one. I really enjoyed this. I

1066
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: guess this is Billy the kids hang out and Rob

1067
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: how would you describe this place? It is another subterranean realm.

1068
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: It is like, um, it's like the Greek underworld if

1069
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: it were just for playing video games. But video games

1070
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: we never get to see. We just see the illumination

1071
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: of the video games on people's faces, ghastly illumination via

1072
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: like primitive Atari game. And it seems very dismal. But

1073
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, Billy and the others are singing

1074
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: so optimistically about this place that you feel like there's

1075
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: some weird sense of futuristic optimism about like who they

1076
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: are and what technology can do. And I don't know what,

1077
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, where games are taking them. It's it's it's

1078
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: a it's a weird juxtaposition. Yeah. They are in this

1079
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: this grizzly green tomb uh and they're singing like rapturously

1080
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: about how that they they have like claimed asteroids for

1081
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: themselves and yeah, yeah, so it's a very joyous song.

1082
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all it's like ecstasy almost.

1083
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: And and so you reach this place by navigating a

1084
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: maze of underground corridors illuminated only by horrible green light,

1085
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: and inside you see all these people. It's like a

1086
00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: military formation of Cockney youths playing arcade cabinets. And like

1087
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: you said, we never see the screens, just like the

1088
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: green glow from below. While the video soldiers are sort

1089
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: of jostling about as they operate the joysticks, they're all

1090
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: facing the camera again like a like a like a

1091
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: squad formation. And I just love this sequence. It's it's

1092
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: really imaginatively choreographed, even though nobody's really dancing. They're all

1093
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: just standing at the cabinets. And swaying and jostling, but

1094
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: it looks great and it goes great with the song.

1095
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: And the scene ends with the same snooker journalist, Miss Sullivan,

1096
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: getting some incendiary quotes from Billy the Kid to incite

1097
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: the Green Bay's vampire. So she's trying to she's trying

1098
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: to help to get a rivalry going between them so

1099
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: that they'll do this grudge match. And well, let's see,

1100
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 1: I wrote down some of the good things the Billy

1101
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: the Kid says. He says, anyone with a name like

1102
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: Maxwell's got to be a king sized prawn. And then

1103
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: he says, I'm going to give him a terrible turkey.

1104
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: But oh boy. From here onto the reaction to the

1105
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: article she prints in the newspaper. This is probably my

1106
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: favorite scene in the movie. This is the song I

1107
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: Bite Back, which is it starts off with Alan Armstrong

1108
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: getting the newspaper and you hear him screaming throughout his

1109
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: house slander Calumny character assassination, and he's screaming about what's

1110
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: in the article to his wife and she seems just

1111
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: mildly amused. This is where she asks what terrible turkey

1112
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: means and he starts singing this song called I Bite Back.

1113
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: This is one where it's hard to communicate what this

1114
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: scene is like and how great it is without actually

1115
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: singing the song, which we can really do. But you

1116
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: can find video of this on the internet, I think,

1117
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: so I would suggest looking it up. It's very weird

1118
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: and great. Well. While Maxwell and his wife sing, they

1119
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: are standing in what looks kind of like a combination

1120
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: of a stage, just like a you know, a stage

1121
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: with wooden floorboards, but it also kind of looks like

1122
01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: a windowless bank lobby in Gotham City. Yes, yeah, very gloomy.

1123
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: But he's filling the space with his rage and his voice. Yes,

1124
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: And the song is all about how he's furious all

1125
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: these things that were said about him in the article

1126
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: are not true. And he goes through like this song

1127
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: has wonderful insults. In the lyrics, he says, I may

1128
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: appear bizarre with my predatory features, but with little boys

1129
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: make noises of defamatory nature. I bite Back, And he

1130
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: goes through like the list of allegations as he refutes them.

1131
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: He says he loves the smell of garlic. He protests

1132
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: that he never bid a Bible salesman, or if he

1133
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: did it was just for a laugh, and he says,

1134
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: I never had no alligators living in me bath. Now

1135
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: I do what that means? Yeah, or the next one.

1136
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: The next one's also confusing. Oh, it's so good, he says.

1137
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: It says here when I die in my meals, glow

1138
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: in the dark. I don't quite know what that is,

1139
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: but that's really good, and he's clearly insulted by it.

1140
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: He also meant. There are also a few moments in

1141
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: the song where he seems to be like alluding to

1142
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: his own humble origins, you know, to say, like, you know,

1143
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: I like if he says something about how he when

1144
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: he first started out, he didn't even know how to

1145
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: spell Transylvania. Yeah, I think he's that He's ultimately pretty

1146
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: far from this vampire persona that he's. He's a He's

1147
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 1: a human being that's worked hard for what he has

1148
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: and now the upstarts are trying to drag him down. Yes,

1149
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: so he is taking the up eight. This match is

1150
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: on and in this song we also we learned that

1151
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: this is where we find out that t O and

1152
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: the the pot Stirring snooker journalist Miss Sullivan have conspired

1153
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: to get Billy and Maxwell so mad at each other

1154
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: that the match will definitely happen. Let's see now, after

1155
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: this in the movie, there's a long sequence that I

1156
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: guess we don't need to get into because it's mostly

1157
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: just like backstory between Billy the Kid and t O.

1158
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: They're talking about how they met each other and how

1159
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: to is going to take Billy the Kid to the top.

1160
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: But I suffice to say that this whole section is

1161
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: cowboy themed and it takes place in some kind of

1162
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: windowless subterranean lounge with gold bar lights and rifles on

1163
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: the wall. Yeah, they do a little target shooting. Um,

1164
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's interesting. Um And I was never sure

1165
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: if this was supposed to be Billy's flat or just

1166
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: a place they hang out, but it's it's it's it's

1167
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: their home turf at any rate, it's like the Cowboy hangout. Oh,

1168
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: now we should go to one of my favorite scenes

1169
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: in the whole movie. Actually, I don't know it's this

1170
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: might be my favorite scene in the whole movie. It's

1171
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: the one with Maxwell's father under the super table in

1172
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: his house. Yes, this, I must have rewatched this scene

1173
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: about five times. It is I think the strangest scene

1174
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: and what it's ultimately a very strange movie. Um so

1175
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: to goes to Maxwell's house, which we're already seen parts of,

1176
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: to meet with him and propose this match between Maxwell

1177
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: and Billy. Um. So, you know, we already know that

1178
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: Maxwell's house is gloriously dark and decorated with portraits of Dracula.

1179
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: But in this scene, it becomes apparent that Maxwell's father,

1180
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: who were told is the greatest snooker player to ever live,

1181
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: is himself an actual vampire, like a nos Faratu esque vampire,

1182
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: and he is perhaps it's hard to figure out exactly

1183
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: what this is supposed to be. He seems to be

1184
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: entombed within a glass casket that's topped with a black

1185
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: granite snooker table, which Randall Senior again, the entombed vampire

1186
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: uses to communicate from beyond the grave by like psychically

1187
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: sinking balls on the table. Yes, he's like from beyond

1188
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: He's like it's like an Owegia board, but in the

1189
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: form of a snooker table, except without any bayze on it.

1190
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: It's like a stone toop snack table. It is a

1191
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: It is an alarmingly strange scene and it's played very serious,

1192
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: especially by Armstrong. He really brings a dramatic energy to

1193
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: this scene, where you like, he's very serious about about

1194
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: asking his father if this is a match that he

1195
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: should agree to, and then the balls move on their own,

1196
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's so shocking that TiO faints. Yes, it's oh,

1197
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: it's it's so good. Oh. Now what he proposes in

1198
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: this scene what the Vampire does? He says that whoever

1199
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: loses the match between Billy and Randall will agree to

1200
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: never play professional snooker again. Yes, yeah, And he's like,

1201
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: what do you think of that? Father? And then the

1202
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: ball just like shoots across the table and sinks. Oh,

1203
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: it's so good. This is such a weird scene. I

1204
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: loved it so much. Now, of course we get some

1205
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: more scenes with TiO and the Wednesday Man. The Wednesday

1206
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: Man loves this. TiO tries to resist because he's like,

1207
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, Billy's young. What if he loses, he won't

1208
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: be able to play snooker again. We can't do it,

1209
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: but I think the Wednesday Man kind of pressures him

1210
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: into it somehow. He's like, oh, the wily old sheriff

1211
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: versus the brash young gunslinger. It has poetic overtones, he says,

1212
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: and then it's implied that he's going to fix the

1213
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: match somehow by making sure that Maxwell the Green Bays

1214
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: Vampire will not be at his best. But he doesn't

1215
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: explain what he's going to do there, Right, it either

1216
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: comes out here or it comes out later that the

1217
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: Wednesday Man has money on the kid, so it seems that, okay, well,

1218
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna he's gonna show fix it. He's

1219
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that the kid is victorious against all

1220
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: the odds because that's how he's going to make so

1221
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: much bank. And here we get a lot of jungle. Yeah, yeah,

1222
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: that's right, Yes, a lot of green, a lot of jungle.

1223
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: But from here we go on to a practice montage

1224
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: that's like a song where they're going practice, practice, practice,

1225
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: and miss Sullivan sings Billy the Kid and the Green

1226
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: Bays Vampire. And I really enjoyed this because it's showing

1227
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: like Maxwell practicing again in the Gotham Bank lobby and

1228
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: Billy is in Supersonic Sam's Arcade from Hell and they're

1229
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: getting ready for the big match. Oh and then we

1230
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: see Maxwell and Missus Randall riding to the game again

1231
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: through a bank of green fog, motorcycle and sidecar. She's

1232
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: driving the motorcycle and he's like, you know, three feet

1233
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: down below from her, sitting with a scar fawn in

1234
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: the sidecar. Yeah, so many little touches like this, like

1235
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: they made the exactly the right choice, like if they

1236
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: if there was the other way around, it would not

1237
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: be as as memorable, so that this was wonderful. And

1238
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: from here, it just from here it turns into the game. Basically.

1239
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, every sports movie has to end with the

1240
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: big showdown, the big game for for the ultimate championship,

1241
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: and that is what happens here, though, of course, with

1242
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: plenty of musical interludes and supernatural accents. Yes, yeah, we

1243
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: have that big number um about about Snooker. Uh, this

1244
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: is the one where he's like ah ah ah ah Snooker,

1245
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: what's the world in a frame Like it's just uh,

1246
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: it's like the enthusiasm for and and of course we

1247
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: have people in the audience from both sides, representing both

1248
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: competing sides of society, and you know they're either you know,

1249
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: they're cheering on their man, but everyone is an agreeance

1250
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: that Snooker is great. Yes, and they each like you say,

1251
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 1: they each bring their own audiences, So they're rooting for

1252
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid is a is a gaggle of disaffected

1253
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: working class youth from Supersonic Sam's Cosmic Cafe. And then

1254
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: on the other side, rooting for the Green Bay's Vampire

1255
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: are a bunch of upper class blue bloods and their

1256
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: fur coats and things. Yeah, so they each have their entrances.

1257
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's very grandiose, a little bit professional wrestling perhaps,

1258
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: But once the theatrics are out of the way, once

1259
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: everybody's had their sort of pro wrestling esque introduction, is

1260
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: time to get down to those seventeen frames that will

1261
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: decide the fate of our hero and our villain. Well,

1262
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: now here, I guess we got to explain maximum break. Yes,

1263
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: so this is not something I knew about going in.

1264
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: But basically, somebody has to break in a que game.

1265
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: You know, they have to hit the que ball and

1266
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: sort of break up the mass of balls and get

1267
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: things moving. But here's something that can happen in snooker.

1268
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: If you start sinking balls right pretty much right away,

1269
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: and you keep sinking balls, the person who does who breaks,

1270
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: who begins the game, can finish the entire game, scoring

1271
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: all the points without the other player ever actually approaching

1272
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: the table, right, And I think the amount of points

1273
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: you can possibly get is variable depending on like what

1274
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: order you sink things in. Because again they were doing

1275
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: that thing where every time he sunk a red ball,

1276
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: they pulled the black ball back out and he could

1277
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: sink that again. I think, I think that's right. Snooker players,

1278
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: you right in the details here. It doesn't really matter,

1279
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. But yes, the Green Bay's Vampire

1280
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: just runs the entire game and Billy never gets to

1281
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: touch the touch the balls. Right. Yeah, this is what's

1282
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: called a maximum break. It's it's like the highest break possible.

1283
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: It's a flawless victory. And I was reading about this,

1284
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: it's pretty fascinating. During the nineteen eighties, these were apparently

1285
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: far less common, something like only eight maximum breaks occurred

1286
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 1: in professional play that entire decade. I don't think that

1287
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: the actual snooker Dracula ever scored a maximum break in

1288
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: professional play, but it's it's become more common, as you know,

1289
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: as often happened in recent years as in recent decades. Uh,

1290
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: and this happens with other games as well, Like the

1291
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: players just get better and better. And so nowadays, if

1292
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: you look at the scores and the rankings of of

1293
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: of professional snooker players, you'll find, you know, at least

1294
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: one maximum break in there often multiple maximum break sometimes

1295
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: a maximum break achieved at a very young age. Yeah.

1296
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: We were looking at who's actually like on top of

1297
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: the snooker leaderboards in recent years, and h's there's a

1298
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: guy named Neil Robertson who I think was the most

1299
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: recent winner in twenty nineteen of the Snooker China Open,

1300
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: and we were wondering, Okay, is he this generation's Billy

1301
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: the Kid? I don't know, but he rob I think

1302
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: you looked at this up and found that he's had

1303
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: at least for maximum breaks. Yeah yeah, and again during

1304
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:08,480
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties there were only eight maximum breaks overall.

1305
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: So the idea that Maxwell's coming into this game and

1306
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: scoring a maximum break on the first frame, I mean,

1307
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: it is indeed nothing short of supernatural vocation for the game.

1308
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: He is just completely destroying our hero. And I have

1309
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: to say it works so wonderfully cinematically because they just

1310
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: cut to each sinking of the ball, so you have

1311
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 1: this rhythm down of the que striking the ball, the ball,

1312
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: striking the ball and pocketing and they just wonderful, like

1313
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 1: just rhythm of relentless victory. But then something else also happens.

1314
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: So not only is Maxwell playing well, like he's just

1315
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: getting these flawless victories one after another, he also I

1316
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: think I understood a little bit less what was happening here.

1317
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: It's implied that he uses his vampire powers to hypnotize

1318
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid, so that when Billy the Kid actually

1319
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: does have a chance to play, he doesn't see any

1320
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: balls on the table. I was unsure about this as well,

1321
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: because we also have like a wake up in the

1322
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: back room where they're like, wake up, you know you're behind.

1323
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: You got to get back out there. So I don't

1324
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: know if this is kind of like a mental dream

1325
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: sequence where he's just desparing that he's so far behind,

1326
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: and there's this idea, like there's this whole bit where

1327
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: he's like, where are the balls? I don't have any

1328
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: balls to play the game with, like they've all been sunk.

1329
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: And you know, this is probably one of the more

1330
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: heavy heavy handed moments of social commentary in the picture,

1331
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know that how are the kids

1332
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: supposed to achieve anything if if all the balls are

1333
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 1: being sunk by the upper class and by the older

1334
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: members of society, You know, is it any wonder that

1335
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: they're they're having to cower around the you know, the

1336
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: dismal light of their video games, because what else has

1337
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: have you supplied them in this world? Right? I don't

1338
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: even get a chance to play, like, I can't even Yeah,

1339
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: um and uh. And there's also some some of the

1340
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: class war stuff between the audiences, like the disaffected working

1341
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: class youth and and the blue bloods like sing at

1342
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: each other and this song where they keep going quack

1343
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: quack quack. I don't think I fully understood what all

1344
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: that was, but it was amusing. And then of course

1345
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: we get the standard sports movie arc right, because there's

1346
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: a dark Knight of the soul Billy. The kid is

1347
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: like as far down as he can possibly be. If

1348
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: he screws up one more time, the entire thing has gone.

1349
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 1: The green based Vampires won eight frames out of seventeen.

1350
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: But then he starts to mount a comeback and Russol

1351
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: builds up to a fantastic ending. Yes, I love everything

1352
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: about this ending. So yeah, Maxwell has already busted out

1353
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: some what seemed like mild psychic snooker powers during one

1354
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: of the musical numbers. So we're not sure if we're

1355
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: supposed to take those literally or not, you know, but basically, yeah,

1356
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: the kid has mounted a full comeback and finally we're

1357
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: down to the very last ball, and if the kid

1358
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: pockets this ball, then he actually wins, then he will

1359
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: be victorious. And so Maxwell's watching on. Billy hits the

1360
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,839
Speaker 1: ball and writes it's about to go into the pocket.

1361
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: Maxwell's eyes glow like this, this ghostly white color with

1362
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe a hint of purple, and he reaches out and

1363
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: he psychically freezes the ball above the hole, keeping it

1364
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: from being sunk. And I was like, is this is

1365
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: this in line with snooker rules or not? Is this addressed? No,

1366
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,799
Speaker 1: it's not addressed. But he's he's using his vampire powers

1367
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: to prevent it from happening, to prevent the victory from

1368
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: taking place. So what does Billy the Kid do? He

1369
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: pulls out his six shooter, aims at first at at Maxwell,

1370
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: at at our green Bay's vampire, but then points it

1371
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 1: at the ball. The psychically held ball shoots the ball,

1372
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: which pockets it. Pockets the ball and then he wins

1373
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: the whole thing and we get this one last shot

1374
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:01,480
Speaker 1: of Maxwell the Green Bay's Vampire eyes glowing, face scowling.

1375
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty great. I guess you did have alligators living

1376
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: in your bath after all. Yeah, I mean it again.

1377
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 1: You're left with a lot of questions about about this movie.

1378
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's a movie that is existing

1379
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 1: in its own reality, I guess, but but is trying

1380
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: to say some serious things about about the real world

1381
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 1: as well. Well, that's it, Billy the kidd in the

1382
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: Green Bay's Vampire Again, I will stress officially one of

1383
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: the weirdest movies we have ever watched for the show. Yeah,

1384
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: I think our second musical, our first sports movie, and

1385
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: I have to say, I think it's one of my

1386
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: favorite musical films. Now you know, I'm putting it on

1387
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: the list. It's okay, it doesn't take the place of

1388
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: Rocky Horror in my heart, but it's it's up there.

1389
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: It's got to be top five, huh. I've never tried

1390
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: to make a ranks list, so I don't know where

1391
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: it would go. But I did very much enjoy it.

1392
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: I've actually really liked both of the musical as we

1393
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: watched for this show. This and Ship of Monsters are

1394
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: are both absolutely delightful. I think one of the things

1395
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: is is that if you have characters singing on the screen,

1396
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: singing their lines and using music to to relate their

1397
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, their internal experience, then um, you know, you're

1398
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: already in kind of a weird place. You're already in

1399
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: a place of unreality. So you can do so many

1400
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: other things and get away with it. Yeah, you can

1401
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: have ridiculous monsters. You can have um, strange vampire powers

1402
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: that are not you know, fully explained or understood. What

1403
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: a coincidence? Do you recall now that Ship of Monsters

1404
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: also had late arc revelations of vampire powers. Yeah, we

1405
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: didn't know at the beginning what was going on. Vampire

1406
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: powers revealed after the halfway point. Man, I guess I

1407
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 1: mostly like vampire themed or vampire esque musicals. That's that's

1408
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: my area of interest. All right, Well we're going to

1409
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: go ahead and call this one again. The film is

1410
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid in the Green Bay's Vampire seems to

1411
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: be available anywhere you buy or rent digital movies. It's

1412
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: on two by so you can watch it there. If

1413
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: two Bees a thing. There's a DVD of the film,

1414
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: but I don't believe it's been released on Blu Ray

1415
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,440
Speaker 1: at least not yet, and again sadly no soundtrack releases.

1416
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: This is one where I would like to see some

1417
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: interviews about like how this happened and what the production

1418
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,879
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, because I mean they it's it's snooker,

1419
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: Like how many of these guys like were super snooker fans.

1420
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,440
Speaker 1: Did they have to train? They had snooker advisors on

1421
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: the on the set, on the you know, they were

1422
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: part of the crew. So I just wonder how all

1423
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: of this came together such a strange film. It doesn't

1424
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: look like they're using snooker stunt doubles. It looks like

1425
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: the actors are actually shooting the shots. Yeah, and so

1426
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: I would be This is again where I'd love to

1427
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: hear from actual snooker enthusiasts out there, like, uh, you know,

1428
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 1: how do how do the actors look in this? Do

1429
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: they look like they knew what they were doing? I

1430
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: always love to ask my wife about this regarding actors

1431
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 1: riding horses, because I'm kind of blind to it, and

1432
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: I'll ask this guy really know how to ride? A horse.

1433
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: Does she really know how to ride a horse? And

1434
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: my wife will be like, oh yeah, yeah this this

1435
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: person's ridden before, this person really took some lessons for this,

1436
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: or oh boy, they just stuck that person on a

1437
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: horse and hope for the best. But in this I mean,

1438
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: to my eye, like Alan Armstrong looks, you know, very

1439
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: intimidating when he is he's making his shots. That it's

1440
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,839
Speaker 1: I buy it completely. I don't know if the experts

1441
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: out there would feel the same. Maybe that took the

1442
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: place of the singing audition. Yeah, they just do a

1443
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: little snooker tryout. Oh that reminds me of one little

1444
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: bit that I read from an interview with Alan Armstrong

1445
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: where he said that author Miller, the playwright, cast him

1446
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: in a play once without seeing him act first, just

1447
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: having some drinks with him and telling him that no,

1448
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: he didn't need to see him act. He knew he

1449
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: would be good because he quote had a peasant's face.

1450
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: He was that he was sick of casting actors with

1451
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: like I guess like movie star good looks. Oh he's

1452
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: playing against type in this one. Yeah, anyway, good, great

1453
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: performances all around. Yeah, I loved this one. So I Yeah,

1454
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: I recommend it to anyone out there who's who's it all?

1455
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: Interested in snooker, vampires or musicals the subterranean life? Yes,

1456
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: all right as usual If you want to check out

1457
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: other episodes of Weird House, Cinema comes out every Friday

1458
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: in the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast feed. We're

1459
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: primarily a science podcast, but on Friday's we set aside,

1460
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: set aside most serious matters and just discuss a weird film.

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