WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Sheila E. 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:09.480 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. What's up, y'all? 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.400 This is QLs classic. My name is Questlove. One of 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:18.240 my favorite people ever, Sila Escabido. This is from twenty seventeen, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:25.240 December thirteenth. Yeah, man, Sheila is you know, has killed 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.840 the game for the last well, you know, four or 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.880 five decades. It's one of the greatest drummers. And this 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.239 is modern music. She's really really made a name for 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.800 herself from her humble beginnings playing with her family of course, 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.880 her time with Prince, and her time after Prince as 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.879 a percussionist and session musician and a solo artist in 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.120 her own right. It's definitely a fun time. She's a 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.199 great storyteller. Let's get into it. This is Chila e 0:00:53.960 --> 0:01:01.760 quest Loves Supreme PLS classic from twenty seventeen. All right, okay, 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.120 here you go. Who already? 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:06.400 Yeah? 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:08.840 What two? Three? 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:15.800 Supremo Suprema roll called Suprema Suprema. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:24.520 Roll called Suprema Supremo. Roll call Supreme Supremo roll? Some 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:29.039 call me eyeball? Yeah, w nineteen jobs? Yeah, everybody stop 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:29.559 on the one. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:38.640 Yeah, I knew I was going to mm hmmm find docs. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.080 How you doing, Sheila? 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:52.880 Good God see you still I didn't know, but that's 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:53.640 what we would do. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:06.080 Damn it, good God. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.639 My name is Sugar Yeah with Sheila E. Yeah, if 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.160 we got married, Yeah, I'd be sugary. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:24.280 Supreme roll so Supreme roll boss. Milla wanted to be 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:26.280 a percussionist. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.919 Yeah when at the age of six, sore Sheila bound 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:44.600 some sticks you supreme rolls. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.359 Yeah with Queen Sheila. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.519 Yeah, this ain't gonna be quick because I want to 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:46.639 talk about dookie sick. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:51.359 A roll call. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:54.200 Suppreme. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.679 My role called My name is Sheila. Yeah, I am 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.480 the queena. Yeah, a cushion. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:18.079 Yeah, no discussing supremo Supreme Supreme. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:25.240 Wow. I actually I wanted to say that I don't 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.320 think there's any word in the English language that rhymes 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:29.920 with Sheila. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:42.480 You gonna say dookie, Okay, No, Sarah, there's there's there's 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.840 no word that Sheila might be the most unique Namela. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.280 No, I'm serious, Like I literally for at least two 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.880 hours last night. Yeah, there's nothing a rhymesa it. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:56.640 Took you two hours? 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:06.680 Then I just said, I gentlemen, feel a sneakers Okay, 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:11.760 so next episode I'll rhyme it with Fila. Anyway, Ladies 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:17.400 and gentlemen, who I will say that, Yeah, I'm gonna 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:22.680 keep my composer. If you were probably to compile and 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:29.080 gather uh probably the modern rock top three list for 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.880 drummers or percussionists, I guarantee you that our next guest, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:38.599 uh well, no doubt always be placed on that list. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.880 Her name and her legacy, I believe is synonymous with 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:48.720 uh drumming excellence, band leader excellence and truth be told 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:53.400 as many times as I've ever name dropped as influences 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.200 either Tony Williams or Clyde Stubblefield or John Starks or whoever, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.960 uh truth be told pro Probably you know Sheila E 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.840 is my drumming hero. Like I've I've done many hours 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.440 practicing and studying and practicing and practicing, and you know 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.880 she never ever gets her props. I mean as a 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:19.000 as a session ah, as a session musician. The roster 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:23.120 is endless, from from George Duke to Marvin Gaye, the 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.000 Lionel Richie Dinah Ross to Kenny Loggins to Phil Collins 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:42.159 to Jennifer Love Hewitt, Quincy Jones. We know this homework. Yeah, 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:48.120 the list is endless, and you know even in the 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.040 art as an artist in her own right. I mean 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:54.720 she has an amazing uh diverse discography lasting over the 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:59.280 last four decades, from Alms with her father pescaveto of 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.240 course to the Grace of all Time with Prince and 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:08.159 again it's it's absolutely endless. Uh. Your new project, which 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.680 I believe is iconic, Yes, formally called Boy versus Girl 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.560 or that was I thought it was initially. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.000 Called No No, No, that was that was another record 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:20.279 that was after Prince pass. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.800 I see, so Girl, Me's Boy. I'm sorry, but your 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.560 new how iconic is in the stories now and everyone 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.440 from Freddie Stone to put Collins and everybody's on this record, 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:38.680 even Ringo star ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome she the 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:39.520 quest left Supreme. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:44.000 Thank you. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.800 Shout shout out to Fante, who's kicking himself right now. 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.000 He's like me when the shock episode happened. Sorry, everyone 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.360 has to and Bill Sherman and yes, I'm paid Bill. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.480 He's always kicking himself, kicking both. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.200 Of you guys. How are you today show? I appreciate 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:00.640 you doing this for me on know that you've been 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.239 up since zero clock in the morning. 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.400 That's true. Two hours. Hey, anything for you. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.080 You know. But I also I was telling them that, 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:14.280 you know, I'm not saying that the sleepless streak you pasted, 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.320 but you're you're the queen of this. You've done many me. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:23.040 I learned it from y'all, Like you know, who needs sleep. Yeah, 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.800 I know, I'm just saying, but I appreciate you for. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.920 Being no, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:29.040 That's awesome. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.640 Okay, I'm looking at the clock and realizing that my 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:32.880 intro took seven minutes. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.480 It's only right, though you talk, It's only right. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.200 Okay, Well I want let's let's start right into it. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.720 For those that don't know about your history. Could you 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.440 tell our audience where you were born? 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:53.480 Oakland, California, Oaktown, Califuna Area, born and raised. Uh, My 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:57.920 dad Pete Escavito, still playing, still alive. My mom Janita 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:04.679 Marie guard Deer Escavte, still crazy. They had their sixty 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.160 first anniversary yesterday, sixty one years being married. That's a 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:13.280 miracle right there. What sixty one years? Yeah, and Pops 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:17.680 are still playing percussion and playing with his band, and 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.360 so it's awesome. I have two brothers, warning Peter, Michael, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:25.920 and his sister Zena, and and about five billion family 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.560 members and I'm not exaggerating. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.720 Cousins and the's nephews forever. Every week you meet somebody, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.679 it's like, yeah, I'm your cousin from No, no, that 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.760 is true, and you just gotta believe him. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.840 No, it's mostly true. We find I'm not even joking. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.160 It's most right, Britt, It's mostly true every time. I mean, seriously, 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.840 I go somewhere. Okay, you got to prove it. Okay, Well, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.720 my mom da da da da da. So I'm your 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.880 third cousin. I'm like, wow, you do look like that 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.479 is okay, You're right, it's both sides. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.560 Have been so lucky. All my cousin situations have not 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.520 you know, worked out well. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.000 Plus I have all kinds of funky mixes in your family. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:10.680 Yeah, which is yeah, we have everything and everybody. Yeah, Mexican, Creole, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:15.920 Puerto Rican, Cuban, Filipino, Japanese, German, French. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.400 Related to y'all literally are the world. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.040 We are the world. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.080 Literally, yes, we is so okay. You'd said that you're 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:29.440 Oakland born and raised, so I gotta ask you, you know, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.560 because I go out to Oakland a lot. Well, I 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.120 guess fever missed if I didn't say that Pandora or 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.480 our parent company right right, is located in Oakland, which 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:45.079 which is why I'm out there often, and I'm often 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:49.240 told by people that, you know, the Oakland of twenty 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.520 seventeen is definitely not what Oakland was or the Bay 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.040 Area in general. So what are you what are your 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.319 feelings of the the current metamorphosis of what Oakland has 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.240 become from what it was to what it is now. 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:07.000 Well, I mean, right now, it's pretty pretty challenging because 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:11.760 all of the tech you know, and companies like Pandora 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.079 and different things like that, and Apple and everything else. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.160 A lot of the people who are building all of 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:22.280 these things have moved the people, some of the people 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.880 out of the way and places where they used to 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.280 live that they can't afford it anymore. So, I mean 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.680 there's some places in the hood I can't believe that 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.360 are a million dollars and they're not even worth thirty 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.640 five thousand dollars. So the money's gone up as far 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.960 as pricing housing, So a lot of people are having 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.319 to move out of the Bay, you know, further out 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:50.520 into like Valayo or even past Richmond, but Valayo, Sacramento, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.280 different places like that, Fremont, mial Pedis because they can't 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.679 afford it. And then at the same time, like my foundation, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.360 we're partnering. We partner with five in Oakland. We started 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.960 Elevate Oakland with Elevate Hope. So there's like three of 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.760 us together just trying to keep music and arts and 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.480 the schools in the Bay because we just don't have 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.640 enough help, especially in the hood in the community where 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:23.200 they really need us, and they're ending up dividing the schools. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.800 Instead of it being one school, they're dividing it to 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.600 two and sometimes three schools because there's too many kids 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.240 and not enough teachers. So a lot of the teachers, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.800 they're really good teachers, don't want to go in the community, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.800 and we get small pickings from choosing a great teacher 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.000 who would like to come and help our students. So 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.160 I've been you know, it's changed a lot even for us, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.200 like what we've been doing to help some of the 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.719 schools and stuff and try to keep the kids and 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.280 get them involved in music and arts because the music 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.080 and arts have been take you know, a lot of schools. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.680 We hire a lot of the Bayery musicians, you know, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.680 and if they're in town, we hire them to do 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.800 artists and residents. So they come, you know, to to 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.160 fod to six times in a month for like a 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.719 couple of months if they're available, and we pay them 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.400 to help assist the teacher and teaching classes and Afro 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.559 Cuban hip hop whatever it may be. So that changed 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:28.160 we were we didn't do that early on. There was 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.200 music in school when I was growing up, you know, 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.559 and now there's there's that need. There are a few 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.559 charter schools and stuff, but a lot of the kids 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.600 there there's nowhere for them to go, so we need 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.439 to fix what's happening. So to me, that's changed tremendously. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.680 So you're saying that during your time period in school, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:53.600 it was typical for music appreciation class and lessons like 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.640 you can't go to a performing art schools. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.320 No, well we couldn't afford it either. No, No, we 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.520 just learned in school. We have music in arts in school, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.520 but I mean most of my learning music was in 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:07.880 the house watching pop play. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:13.199 So okay, yeah, so I mean describe that because you know, 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.000 there's rarely arts that are here that come from that environment. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.679 What is it at least, why is it important for 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:21.040 music in the school systems? 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.559 Like how. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.200 When did they like remove that probe? Like the idea 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.320 of taking the arts away? Was it like the mid 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.000 eighties the. 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.760 Lad Wow, I don't even really know, because if it 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.840 seemed like it was about the eighties, I don't know 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.880 for sure. I just noticed that there was a whole 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.839 generation of kids that wanted to learn, and we found 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.360 out that they weren't learning, and they were asking where 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.160 could they go get classes or be taught? Can I 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.840 get a trumpet? And that's when we started raising money, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.600 like in the nineties, or let's just raise some money 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.080 so we can get the kids instruments. Well then we 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.320 got the instruments, Well, who's going to teach them? You know, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.560 Well there weren't. They're not enough teachers to teach. So 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.280 then again going back to well let's get some of 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.840 the local musicians, maybe we can have classes with them. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.960 We went beyond not We didn't go to the superintendent 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.520 of schools and things like that or the district. We 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.160 ended up at that point even in two thousand, we 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.480 ended up going to the schools personally and talking to 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.800 the principals. Hey, we just want to help. Can we 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.320 help you If you guys say yes, we'll just come in. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.080 You know, I don't we were going to go to 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.800 Sacramento and deal with the whole Supreme Court thing and all. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.720 It's like, well, no, if you just allow us to 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.600 come in, we'll help. So I think it was around 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.760 eighties or so, and then we started helping in the nineties. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.160 And again growing up with my parents, Pops always had 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.200 percussion around the house, and you know, and we'd go 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.520 to facilities since I was young and play the foster 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:02.400 care facilities, the jewy facilities, anything where there were kids 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.720 where they didn't have a lot of help, or they 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:09.400 would live somewhere you knowerod periodically at these facilities and 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.120 then go home on the weekends or whatever. Some of 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.200 the kids have been abused. So, you know, Pops, even 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.080 though we didn't have much, we would go there when 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.000 I was young, like eight nine years old, and we 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.880 were doing that most of our lives. That's how we 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.520 grew up giving back to the community back then. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.520 It sounds like the organization that you have is a 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.040 great model for a lot of other major cities because 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.440 I was thinking when you were speaking, the nineties was 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.600 a period when it's happened in most major cities, Like. 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:35.720 Music was let out of schools. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.280 That's why the Grammys started their organization and whatnot. But 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.640 do you ever think about like expanding that because there 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:42.840 are a lot of I just thought it. But that's 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.120 a great idea to have people who have already succeeded 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.120 from the area start an organization for you know, music 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:49.640 for children. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.000 Yeah, we're trying to build a curriculum now so that 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.960 it works wherever we go. And instead of saying we're 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.720 going to elevate Oakland, we want to elevate San Francisco, 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.960 elevate La elevate Copped, and elevate whatever is. Just elevate 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.800 whatever city. But we have to raise the money. So 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.480 we took a break and trying to raise the money 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.280 so that we can start all over again and and 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.360 get a good board of people and and begin at 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.280 the beginning. So this is the beginning. So and it's 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.880 funny because Phill I'm ready. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:21.720 I'm ready. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:23.480 I wasn't in the already. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.240 Thank you. Yeah, you didn't know. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.280 In a way, there's always more Philly, there's always more 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:29.600 you can do. 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.240 There's always more, yeah, because I'm coming down the pocket 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.880 with that, so it's kind of hard to do. It's 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:36.480 kind of hard to do without a sponsor. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.320 I'm just on the board. I'm just still adding to 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:40.200 the idea. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.200 She listened. You know a board, Yeah, a board. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.840 Yeah, absolutely, we start a board and. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:48.320 I will. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.080 Okay, you need to do more like you. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:50.520 I will. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.240 I just don't have the fund, but I definitely have 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.960 the energy. You got the energy and didn't mean to 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:59.560 cut you off, you did, so. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:05.040 What uh, what's your What was your first musical memory? 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:11.000 Five years old? Playing with my dad? Actually I don't 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.160 remember playing with them as much as I remember getting 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.760 dressed to go play. I was five years old at 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:22.840 my grandmother's house and my cousins were mad because they 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.800 couldn't go to the club. They're like, well, Sheila's five, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.359 how come she gets to go. My mom was explaining, well, 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.480 she's gonna play. So I'm getting dressed. I had on 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.960 this white dress with the little white uh socks and 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.200 then the black pant le pant and leather shoes, and 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.240 I remember my mom combed my hair. We got in 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.600 the car. We went to the gig, which is still 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.159 there at the places. It was called Sands Ballroom right. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.000 On gig you were five, Yeah, gig. 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.199 For real, Like my first gig was five, and I 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:59.000 remember it like it was yesterday. But anyway, yeah, Sands Ballroom. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.040 So we go there my mom. We get out of 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.520 the car, and I could hear my dad playing. There 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.080 were these windows up at the top, so you can 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.240 hear the music coming from the place. And as she 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.359 was walking me up the stairs, I can hear the 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.560 music getting louder and louder and louder. And then they 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.320 opened the door and we stood at the door and 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:20.280 my dad saw us, and they ended the song. And 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:21.719 then he said, ladies and gentlemen, I want to bring 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.080 up my daughter, Sheila Escavito. She's gonna come and play 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.000 with us. And then I just remember all the people partying, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.639 like the Red Sea. It was so weird. It's like wow, 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.120 and I'm just looking at everyone. Wow, this is amazing. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.280 And I remember him picking me up and I was 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.040 gonna play Congress. So the Congress were pretty big, and 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.480 so he stood me on a stool and then I 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.560 don't remember anything else, and he said I was killing it, 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:46.880 but I don't remember. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.920 Five year old hand on congress, like I'm just making 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.520 a loud sound. I remember my father's a drummer too, 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.960 and I remember trying but it didn't come out loud 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:57.760 as I wanted it too, because my hands were too small. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:18:59.760 That's crazy. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.639 Yeah, I was going to say as a drummer, I 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:08.640 mean I started off from bongos, but really it's well, yeah, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.800 I mean, it wasn't like there was a drum set 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.679 in the house, but there was like one bongo in 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.680 the house, and I mean I played it a lot. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:19.600 But the wear and tear on your hands. 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.919 Especially, no, bongos are horrible to play. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:24.320 Why did you choose that? 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.679 I chose congas, not bongos. They're different. 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.040 Still tell him that the difference boos, I don't know. 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:43.840 He was doing listeners shut up each other. No, but okay, 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.880 so why I didn't know that there is a wear 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.360 and tear difference on your hands. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:49.200 Between my god? 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.080 Yes, okay, so explain the difference. 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:51.240 Then. 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:57.680 The difference of the bongos are really small and because 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.879 of the drum heads, I'm gonna put this dumb the drumheads, 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.960 they're smaller playing bongos. You're gonna play with half of 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.080 your finger where your finger, uh, your knuckle, you know, 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.280 so that first part of that finger, that's how you 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.679 get that really high snapping sound on the bongles. So 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.960 you're playing everything just you're just playing this, and it 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.920 hurts after a while. Your finger is swollen. I mean, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.399 my brother's hands used to be so swollen from playing. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.760 So I would play them too, but they hurt, and congas, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.479 you end up using more of your hand. I mean, 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.240 you can do that on the bongos, but the sound 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.040 of what you want to get for bongos is really 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.560 the tips of your fingers, and that hurts. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.560 You have beautiful hands with somebody who does that, thank you. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.120 And I was looking at your palms, like, look at that, 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.560 no marks, no scars, that's let me suck. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.840 Is techno soft technok. 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.280 You get treatments on your hands, like to keep them 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.399 softer or anything along those lines. 0:20:51.840 --> 0:21:00.719 No, I do use lotion, but. 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.080 In every household and every. 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.960 Housele now uh no. You know, when I was playing 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:06.919 every single day, like with George Duke and with my 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.400 dad playing Congress, just mainly playing that as my instrument, 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.080 my hands were bleeding. I'd have to use rage of 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.480 blade to cut the calluses and it was painful. Yeah. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.600 I mean I remember like this wall right here, This 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.840 is like a concrete wall, and before this shows with 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.640 my dad and with George Duke, because we would play 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.320 every night, I'd have to bang on the wall before 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.239 we went on stage until my hands got numb so 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.720 I could get through the first like two songs, and 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:34.840 then he'd do a ballad and I have to start 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.160 all over again. It's like so painful, but I loved it, 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.399 not the pain, but the you know, the satisfaction of 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.440 being able to play percussion is. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.560 Just And when when did you hear of the existence 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.119 of these things called sticks that you can use instead 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:50.880 of your hands? 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:52.359 It's not any better. 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:58.440 Without without going to see the unspoken situation with the 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:05.240 roots right now? No no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:12.200 But what I'm saying is that you know, is it 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:17.640 is it? Is it taboo or unspoken or cheating? 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.800 I think it's taboo and cheating if I use those 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:23.480 things are meant to be played with your hands. 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:24.720 Why are you answering the question? 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:25.200 I want to know? 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:30.960 This is my favorite already. 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.480 No, No, I'm asking because I want to know. Do 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:34.200 you play. 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:37.720 We've all used bongos. 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.200 No, she doesn't know your background, like you're a superstar engineers, 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:41.200 that's what she's asking about. 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.560 I mean, I know the answer is no, but I've 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:45.800 seen and recorded. 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.160 I've seen and recorded both types. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.240 People use sticks and don't use sticks, And it's just 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.239 my I guess my opinion that bongos and congress are 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:58.159 supposed to be played with the hands, and sticks are 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:00.399 for other percussive things like drums. 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:04.679 But I well, my question was I always wanted sticks 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:10.440 because there's a certain loud dynamic that I like when 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.840 sticks hit bongles, just for it, for it. And I 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:20.160 think it's mostly because of whenever Prints programmed the rim 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:24.720 shot to be that conga sound, that's the sound I 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:26.840 always was going for in my head. So thus it 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:28.560 was like, well, I can't get that with the hand, 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.240 but you keep that with the stick. So that's always 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.320 been my default move. Of course, to the dismay of 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.719 every percussionist watching us, Oh why Y're cheating, Why your 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:39.280 man is cheating? 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:40.160 Not not? 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:42.879 You know that sort of thing. So is it really? 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:43.199 Is it? 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:43.600 Truly? 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.240 Because even when you're you're you're at your your setup 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.360 with Timbali's and whatnot, and you're in your your cow 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.880 thoughs it's not like you're gonna put them down. 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:56.040 And then yes I would. 0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.760 So you're saying that is absolutely cheating. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.280 Oh yes, but I agree with them as well. Let 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.960 me tell you why. Because in traditional music, like traditional 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:09.480 meaning Latin jazz, also things like you're gonna play bongos 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.840 with your hands, they would kill you if you so 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:18.399 playing there's no sensitivity to the instrument. Is just going 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.680 to be one tone. You can't get the different tones 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.480 and the feel with sticks. Now, however, when disco music 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.639 came out and more pop music, you would end up 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.240 using sticks, you know, for a different sound. I've done 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:35.160 it on recordings, but it depends on but I've done 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:37.280 it too, but it depends on you know what music 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.200 you're gonna play with it. But definitely they were made 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.520 to play with your hands and not sticks. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.439 Final answer, final answer. 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.000 That is my final answer. 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.480 The real answer to your question, which was why did 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:51.119 I chime in? 0:24:51.359 --> 0:25:03.760 It's because on this day right there, like talking is 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.480 the most talking, No I want to hear. 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.480 I already said it. I was right, as it turns out, 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:18.160 Thanks you for I'm a purist. You know you can 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.960 sticks on those things. But you're more famous actually in 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.160 my head for using sticks. 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.280 You know, you just do me. You've been engineer for 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.040 like twenty years. You're just telling me this now. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.080 But you're I mean, you're more of a drummer, you know, 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.400 than a percussion than a congo bongo player like I. 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:36.480 Was about to do. 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:38.280 You play the over thirty. 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.720 You know what, I have the ability to, but until 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:49.000 I master the sound of I cannot claim that and 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:50.480 I do not know how to. 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:52.440 What is that? 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:54.680 It's like when you rub your fingers. When you rub, 0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.480 this a vibration thing. Okay, I've never been able to 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.359 do anything. It's like learning the whistle or like when 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:01.520 you wolf whistle. 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:04.600 When on the actually on the drum, you can guess. 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:06.879 It's a vibration with your fingers. That was what was 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:07.240 the song? 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:13.280 Dun't dunt dunk dunk dude. Yeah, Scorpio Scorpio. You practice 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.200 YouTube of course, of course. 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.120 Okay, so how long did you? Because we're big on 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.600 just the one thing I want to convey to my 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.639 listeners is the amount of practice, yeah, that you have 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:30.080 to put into to master your craft. So in general, 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.239 were you just always jamming in the house or like, 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:37.760 how much time would you personally practice just isolated and 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.520 that sort of thing, or was it like you had 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:41.720 to go and practice. 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:46.119 Oh no, no, no, Actually, like when I played that beat, 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:48.600 it was if you know, my dad's congos were there. 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.760 The song came out, we got the forty five, and 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:52.399 I was like, oh, that's dope, let me try that. 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.119 You know, we would just do it, or we'd play it, 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:58.000 you know, jamming, jamming with bands, or out in the park, 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:02.000 you know when the street drummers, we'd all get together 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:06.120 and just play outside. I hate to say that I've 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.359 never practiced today in my life, and I'm sorry for 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:10.800 those who need. 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.520 I believe you. I believe that you've jammed a lot 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:16.280 of hours, like and that was your practice, yeah kind 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:20.280 of yeah, just like the Roots before Foullin. The Roots 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.439 never practice as a band like we just you do 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.920 three hour shows for three hundred and sixty five days 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:28.040 out the year. Then it's right. 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.119 So you just jam with your family and now. 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:32.920 Yeah, just jamming and stuff. Yeah, but to sit down 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:34.440 and say I'm going to learn a rhythm and a 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.119 part so I can get better, I'm sorry. 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:37.200 No. 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.120 See, my parents made me practice to keep me from 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:41.600 going out on the streets. 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:42.520 And they did the right thing. 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:44.679 Right, But I'm saying, like, but you grew up in 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.080 the household with other musicians, so I'm certain that it 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:48.400 was more like a jamming thing. 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.320 It was. Well, yes, that. 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:55.040 Weird though, I mean, is it also I I I'm 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.560 not not that I'm big on jamming, but there's something 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:03.040 very vulnerable about a jam session that makes it very 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:09.920 hard for me to do in front of people. I know. Okay, 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:15.119 so the first the first day of taking the Tonight 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:19.160 Show gig, and it's just the eight of us facing 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:20.920 each other, sort of like the circle we're in now. 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.439 It was the hardest thing in the world to do. Like, 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.119 I stopped the session after five minutes and called my 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.600 manager like, I don't know what to do, Like, what 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.960 do you just just start playing a song? Like, because 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:37.840 I think it's it's a it's a vulnerable, intimate thing almost. 0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.720 I hate to be creepy with the metaphorical thing, but 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.520 I mean it's like intimacy, and you know, the thing 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.160 is that you have to be on I mean, we're 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.400 on good terms with each other as a band, but 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.960 it's it's sort of like I think that you also 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:57.000 socially have to be in tune with the person that 0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.560 you are playing with in order to get that the 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.840 desired results. And so it's I think that's it's hard. 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:09.200 So it means that you were able to jam or 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.360 borderline envious, that you're able to like play with your family, like. 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.200 Yeah, and we grew up like that, So I mean, 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.240 anytime the opportunity, if they were sitting out, let's go play, 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:20.800 all right, We started getting into this whole thing and 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.280 then taking solos and going into different rhythms and like 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.200 just jamming the house. 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.600 In the backyard outside, absolutely in. 0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:32.239 The house in the backyard, at the parks, down at 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.880 Berkeley College and on telegraph all the time. We were 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.800 at down on the streets just jamming. And the mission 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:42.880 in San Francisco. Yeah, yeah, for real. 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.040 Where are you? Your brothers and sister like oldest, youngest, 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:47.440 how does. 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.360 Yeah, so I'm the oldest, My brother Wan, my brother Peter, Michael, 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:53.120 my sister Zina. 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.160 Because I was wondering why you got I was like, 0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:56.960 how does she get picked out of everybody to go 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:57.640 jam with dad? 0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.000 And do the direct They played too. 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:01.920 They played It seemed like you guys had a special 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.160 relationship or your dad. 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.600 Yeah, I was first answer question. 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:12.920 So how unusual in your childhood was it? For I 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:17.200 know that drums are normally associated as a more masculine music, 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:21.880 uh instrument to play, So how unusual was it? Like 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.200 did you get any ribbing whatsoever? Tease like you played 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.920 the drums? Yeah? No, or like why don't you play 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.280 piano or why don't you play guitar? 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.840 Like or people? 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.400 Well, I'm just saying, was there anyone to discourage you, like, well, 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.440 that's not a young lady shouldn't be playing, Like do 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:39.640 you have a grandmother that said, like, she shouldn't be 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:40.200 playing the drum. 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:41.680 Can't wear a dress and play the drums? 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.680 Oh no, my family. No one in the family ever 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:45.160 said anything. 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.520 So it was a supernatural to supernatural. 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.560 No one ever said my parents, my uncles, cousins, they 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.160 all play. No one ever said you can't play because 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.200 you're a girl, because everyone would pick up something and 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.800 just play. My mom plays guido, she plays a little 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.200 bit of congas, she tap dances. She's sayings. You know, 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:04.320 it's just an entertaining family. And every time we go 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.400 to a party, even with the family, we'd put on 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.200 Jackson five Temptations whatever, James Brown, and we just start 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:14.640 imitating people. So we grew up like let's let's who's 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.480 going first, and the and the the way to get 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:20.000 to the party. Well, in the party, as soon as 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:24.200 my mom would starts singing Da d everyone start running 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:28.120 to the living room, it's like time for that's the 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:35.120 INTROTI oh yeah, oh yeah. Then my mom would break 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.240 right into tap dance and then we'll see who's gonna 0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.520 play what record and start dancing. So I was never told. 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.080 Never ever until I left uh the house and started 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.600 performing with other artists did people say things. But even 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.280 in school, no one really said, oh, you know, you 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.840 can't play because you're a girl. I don't. I mean, 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:55.200 it was always cool. It's like, you know everyone was 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.120 in school was like stope. 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:58.880 Well, I mean on the other side of the corn, 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.120 like did they make a big deal of it because 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.440 you were dope or you know, it was like yeah, 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.920 every time you play, like like it's a novelty thing 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.080 that we're watching or whatever. Because yes, I think with 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:16.320 the exception with the exception of what's her name, I 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.400 think her name was Cookie. There was there was a 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:23.800 Jersey based group in the seventies called Ecstasy, Passion and 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:33.000 paindess uh, the mom deep sample, the realist do do 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.600 do Do Do Do Do Do Do? I'll play it later, 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.840 but yeah, there's they were. I mean, they had a 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:43.760 they had a run from like seventy three to seventy six, 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.080 but they did like three appearances on Soul Train. So 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.240 oh wow, that's the first time I saw like a 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:50.120 woman playing. 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.880 Drums, but she was actually playing drums. Yeah, oh yeah, 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:53.720 I gotta check it out. 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.440 So yeah, I was going to say, did you have 0:32:55.880 --> 0:33:00.160 anyone that you looked up to that was yes, the 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.920 car and cooking? Yeah, did you have anyone that you 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:04.840 looked up to that was a woman that was playing 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.760 drums when you were coming up at all? 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:12.240 The only woman that I saw play ever, especially drums, 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.840 was Karen Carpenter when her and her brother had their 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:19.400 variety show. Yeah, and she was killing it, you know. 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.080 And as soon as I saw around television, I turned 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:24.479 to Pops and said, how come I don't have a 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:28.720 TV show like nine or something? What do you mean? 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.360 I said, I played drums. I played just like her. 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.320 How come can't we just get a TV show? He goes, sure, 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.480 you can. I mean it was never like no, you 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.400 can't play because you're a girl that no one else. 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:39.800 That was never said. 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.320 But in your formative years, did anyone think like, yo, 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.720 there's no one that we know of that can fill 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:49.000 in the slot and you'll be the first to like 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.800 ye at that time would have been revolutionary. So I'm saying, like, right, 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.200 anyone thinking like dollar signs. 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.120 Like no, we did. Actually, as a matter of fact, 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.680 when I first started playing and sitting in with other 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:01.960 bands and they wanted to pay me, I thought it 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.560 was disrespectful to pay me because I know it's kind 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:14.080 of weird. Yeah, I thought it was disrespectful because I 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.040 loved it so much. It's like, don't pay me for 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:17.920 something I really love. I'm just I just want to 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.520 do it, like this is my passion. I don't And 0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:21.879 then Pop was like, come here. 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:26.960 He took me in the kitchen. 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.480 Yeah, he took me in the kitchen, open the kitchen door, refrigerators, 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:34.480 like we need some food. You gotta it's okay to 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.760 get paid, It's okay. And I'm like, oh, okay, all right, cool? 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:38.800 Were you at that moment? 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:39.760 Fourteen? 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.839 So I was going to ask at what age were 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.600 you when you were like a total Jedi master, as 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.600 in like I could close my eyes and know. 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.279 I haven't got you. I haven't gotten there yet. 0:34:55.680 --> 0:35:00.680 Good answer, Good answer. Now I ask you again, this 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:01.560 time just dropped. 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.160 No, I'm so serious. I'm being honest. 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.000 I'll ask you, at what age were you when other 0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:12.560 musicians took you? Totally serious as in I want her 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:14.960 for At what age were you when you started? 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:21.080 You know, they still sometimes don't take me, sister, can't 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.719 get a call for a gig nowhere me. I'm telling you. 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:32.160 This because you're They're like, I can't afford I was like, oh. 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.200 I could have called you. 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:36.560 See that's what happened. 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.640 That's not nothing to do with that's that. 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:41.280 That's because we're afraid of you. 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.440 You're at a mountain top and now it's about of climbing. 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.680 Is like, yeah, no. 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.600 I mean, I know you're not owning the superhero thing, 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:54.319 and I know that artists hate the fan worship thing, 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:59.759 but your your existence is kind of a big deal. 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.719 So no, thank you. I mean I understand it now, 0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.920 But seriously, when when growing up, I mean, I didn't 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.560 get it, and I don't think we realized it even 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.760 Pops until later on it's like, okay, well wait a minute. 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:13.840 You know that wasn't ignoring you. 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:17.200 That was more like we're not worthy. There was one 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.000 time I think I was going to call you for 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:22.919 a things and it's only because I saw that you 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:28.400 did was it loving you? Right? And I saw your 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.880 credit and then I was like, oh, oh, she would, 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.200 she would come down to earth and mess. 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.239 At what point in your life were you thinking like this? 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.160 Because you said, you know now you understand now why 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:43.399 people weren't calling, But like at. 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.799 Because until I started speaking with people, it's like, you 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:50.680 know how you doing? Oh? You know? Like and then 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:52.480 I was like, wait a minute, you know, I'll come 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:56.320 and do a session. You would, I mean. 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:58.719 And Stevie wanted to play the piano and no. 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.600 Listen, this guy, this dude, this producer called me. I 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.840 could have slapped him through the phone. He called me 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.960 and he said, hey, Sheila, I just want to know something, 0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.480 all right, okay, yeah, what you need I'm doing. I'm 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.040 producing this record on this girl. I want to know 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:18.279 how to get the Sheila und do you know anybody. 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.560 But you're on the phone with her right now? 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.040 I did. I said, wait a minute, how can you 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.400 my sound you want to you want me to refer 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:31.720 you to somebody else? Dude. 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.600 Okay, here's another thing, and we're skipping we're skipping the 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:42.239 line here. But I believe that the the number one 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:49.480 weapon of the Purple Cloud period or just that period 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:56.600 with Prince, the number one weapon was mystery and anybody 0:37:56.719 --> 0:38:00.279 associated any at least in my eyes, Like you know, 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.440 when I was ten, eleven twelve, like seeing you guys, 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:08.400 it was like it was some untouchable. We're too I 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:10.440 don't mean arrogant, like we're too good for. 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:13.160 That, but you know, a different world. 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.000 Yeah, even though like that we are the world perception like, oh, 0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.520 we never do that, like in our minds, we're just 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.600 like you guys would only do your music and you're 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.680 laughing at us mere mortals like oner. 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:27.359 Brand kind of like that. 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:32.759 But we weren't gonna say no, no, no, no, no, 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:36.279 we you know what the it's weird. It's like it's 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.160 like being in this room, all of us sitting here, 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.759 we just start playing and jamming and next you know, 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.040 four days later you might have cut another record. I mean, 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:46.040 it was just like we love being in a studio 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.960 and after being with everyone, you know, all the time, 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.680 you kind of forget that there's a world happening, There's 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.680 something's going something is going on. At one point, Prince 0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:57.800 and I just we felt like we're in a bubble, 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.879 and until we woke up at the end of Purple Rain, 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.359 it's like, wait, what just happened? We didn't even we 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.160 didn't understand it at all. 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:10.120 Okay, so now I know that you're available for session work. 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:11.799 Was it the important thing? 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.000 Yes? I am. 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:24.560 So. What was your very first gig as a profession 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.120 professional percussions? 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:30.400 Pops playing his percussion player got sick. He had a 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.359 band called that Techas signed to Clive Davis. They were 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.600 touring out with Temptations, Stevie, Wonder, earth Wind and Fire. 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.200 Pops's percussion other percussion player got sick and I said, 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.080 I'm fifteen, Pops, I know all the music you know. 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:44.120 Let me play this show. 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:45.040 And it was like coach. 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:47.799 He was like, no, you can't do it. And I 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:51.040 was like, Pops, come on, why. He said, you're only fifteen. 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.080 You can't you know they're out on tour with all 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.440 these bands. No, you can't do it. You're only fifteen 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.360 years old. And I said, moms, Pops won't let me 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:03.560 play in the band. Well, thank you. So I got 0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:05.880 my way, and so I played that show in San 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:10.320 Francisco for I think it was then Mayor Moscone, I think, 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.960 and it was for three thousand people, and the band 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:16.440 was killing, like you know, fifteen years old. Like I've 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.920 been playing with these a couple of other bands and 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.959 they were like knockoffs of Santana music. So we knew 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.279 all that stuff. And my dad was in Santana right 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.439 before having the band ass Teca, and that band ass 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:32.120 Teca was formed with when Santana's band broke up, Carlos 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.719 broke up his band half the band with my dad, 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.399 Neil Sean, Lenny White on drums. All those people were 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:42.359 for a journey or huh okay yep. So they were 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:46.040 playing with my dad in Azteca, and so you got 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:50.359 this caliber of musicians in these people playing with an 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.040 eighteen piece, you know, five six horns, three singers, three 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.200 percussion players, to keyboard players to guitar players. I mean, 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:59.840 it was insane and all this music and it's like 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:02.919 I wanted to play in that band, So I got 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.279 to play in the band. And it just brings you 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.160 if you're set in a place where it's going to 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.040 force you to go somewhere you've never been before. You know, 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.799 I wanted to make sure that I was there representing, 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.440 and I mean I went for it. Well. You know, 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:18.040 my dad turned to me at one point and he said, 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.000 you know, I want you to take a solo, you know, 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.120 like he's gesturing to me, you know, play from your heart. 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.440 I'm like, I'm so scared. I closed my eyes and 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:31.040 I started playing a solo and I black. I felt 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.839 like a blackdown. I just left the planet. And next 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.759 thing I know, I remember looking up in the sky. 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.360 I was up in the sky like floating, looking at myself, 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.480 playing in the looking at the entire room with my 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.400 dad looking at me. I'm looking at him, and the 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.160 crowd is just starting to roar it and I saw 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:55.799 it like from above. It was so weird. And I 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.200 when I finally with my eyes, did I realize, like 0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:00.000 all of a sudden, you know, like in a movie 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.440 and you hear the music like coming back in out 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.440 of nowhere. That's how I felt. And then I started 0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.560 shaking because I got scared, like wait, did I just 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.719 find what happened? You know? And I felt like it 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.280 was an out of body experience and my hands were shaking, 0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.160 and at the end of my soul, I looked at 0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.480 Pops and I was I just started crying while I'm 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.319 still playing. And then I heard the roar of the 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:25.719 crowd and just like and it just got loud and 0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:28.360 there was a standing ovation and I was like, I 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.880 don't even know what's I was just looking. I was 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.640 just crying like crazy. When we ended the song, the 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:37.520 show stopped, went backstage, and I was like, Pop's daddy, Daddy, 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:39.239 I'm going out on tour with you. This is what 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:39.799 I want to do. 0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:40.839 That's what I want to do. 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:42.520 I know, and I know what I know this is 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:44.719 It was that the first thing, the last time you 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:46.320 had that feeling at that moment. 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:50.200 No, that was the beginning of my purpose. That was 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.040 the beginning. And Pops looked at me and then we 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.040 hugged and we just started crying. He's like, I don't 0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.279 even know, how do you know all this? I was like, 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.239 I don't know. I think I was watching you on 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.880 like a sponge. I don't know. We had no idea, 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:07.160 like all of a sudden, just kind of jamming with 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:09.960 a local band for six months and then I went 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:14.120 from that local band to professionalism. I don't know. 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:19.200 So, Okay, this is definitely the I. 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.680 Gotta get a nice Techa record, bro man. 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:25.600 There's two of them. You have to hear it. It's amazing. 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:34.000 Seventy six five something like that. Seventy five four. 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:38.880 Okay, So you as a drummer and as a musician. 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.920 I was going to say that the one thing that 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:50.319 I think that you won't ever able to be, that 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:56.280 you'll never be able to avoid is the solo. Now 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.879 that's the dividing line between you and I because think 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:04.240 I've made a life and a career on the most 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:07.880 minimalist kind of approach to drumming. 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.840 That's a huge gift to have. It's a it's a 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.239 dangerous gift and a big responsibility. 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.359 I know it's a dangerous gift. But the thing is 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:20.000 is that in my age and as I get older, 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.520 like okay, so when I was in my twenties and 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.600 my thirties or whatever, especially uh, the way that my 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:28.200 arms are now with uh. 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.440 When you carbletonnel and everything. 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.480 Yeah, yeah, it's so painful now to take solo. So 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:38.120 it's like I'm taking them less and less on youtubes. 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:44.319 How are you, especially when most of your solos have 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:49.680 to have this you know this this climatic uh uh, 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:55.759 climactic applause from the audience. How are you able? Like 0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:57.640 do you not? Do you have a fear of soloing 0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:02.640 or no? Just but it's always expected of you, Yesela, 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:04.839 and the music stops like go ahead, and. 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.319 Yours has to be extra acrobatic, like it's always. 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.359 Yeah, you have to be You're not even zero to ten. 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.600 You have to go from zero to utter bond. You 0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:16.000 gotta go to zero autobond in like five minutes. And 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:20.320 I'm just saying not even physicality or with with with 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.400 with age, whatever, but maybe there's just some nights you 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:27.479 don't feel like turning it on and like, but that's 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:31.839 pressure because you have to go from zero to a gazillion. 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:34.880 It's expected of you at least two minutes. 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:40.080 Yeah, it's interesting because I don't I don't think of 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.000 it as an I've got to be on on and 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.799 off or I don't feel like it. I've never put 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.640 myself in that position to feel like that. So I 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:50.239 love doing what I do and if people ask me, 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.439 I would love to do it, but I wouldn't walk 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.440 into a room to say I'm not gonna walk in 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.319 there because I don't feel like it. Then I should 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.360 have showed up. I never want to put myself in 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.640 that position say okay, I gotta turn it on. No, 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.720 I'm excited. If someone asked me to play, I would 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.799 love to. So there's no on and off switch you 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:10.200 asked me, It's always on. 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:11.760 Can I just I'm not fast forwarding? 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:13.160 But I just have a quick question on that note, 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.560 because I just watched you do the view and in 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.200 my mind I said, she would not do this performance 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.160 unless you have full hundred percent like comfortable. They would 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:22.920 say yes and you could do everything that you wanted 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.040 to do. Is that like an example of that moment 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.600 because it was kind of amazing and groundbreaking, so many 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:28.000 the things. 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:28.799 That you did within it. 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:33.359 Thank you. It was it was a it's interesting. It 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.040 was a fight. It was a fight. Yeah we had 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:40.720 it was a fight, and I'm grateful ended up turning 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:45.400 out good. But I always tell everyone, you know, no 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.960 doesn't mean you can't do it. No doesn't mean you 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:51.120 shouldn't a lot of time, no means opportunity, And I 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.920 was like, this has just been insane. The things that 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:56.319 we had to do and change. And I mean it was, 0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.440 you know, from one thing to another, and I just 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.120 kept saying, but no, this is the message. We have 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.839 to send a message. I have to stand for. This 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.640 is what we're trying to send this message, and we 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.920 need the flag and it needs to be upside down, 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.240 you know. And I need to put the the images 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.800 in the back where people can see what we're talking about. 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:20.120 I need doctor King's speech, I need Kennedy's speech, you know, 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:24.440 I need Obama's speech. You know. So it was a 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.160 definite fight. But you know, again how things turned around. 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:31.080 We were only supposed to just play the music, and 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:36.000 then it turned into two questions, and then there's then 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.200 once they understood what we were trying to do, then 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.600 they were behind us one hundred percent, and we're glad 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:44.480 that they understood what we wanted to do. And then 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.359 it turned into let's move you to segment five and six, 0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.720 and it's like, oh, now I get to explain what happened. 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:53.279 But never give up, you know, never give up. And 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.600 know me as opportunity man, I wasn't coming through that 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.200 front door, but I came through that side door, you know, 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.000 And I wasn't going to give up, but I still 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:01.960 got there and it was better than it was going 0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:02.719 to be initially. 0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:05.520 Sorry for those of us who don't watch the view 0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:06.600 on a regular. 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.200 Basis, to move your neck like that when you say 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:11.120 the word okay, then watch the view. 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:16.759 I just I don't watch most of the time. So 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.279 what can you just tell us what the performance was? 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.480 Yeah, and you can go on Sheila YouTube channel to 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:27.600 watch it too, or my Facebook. Yeah, Shelia drummer, she 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:34.960 let's watch. No, the beginning of it is I did 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:38.080 the funky national anthem. I call it so the national 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:42.480 anthem with some things, and I had speeches in in 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:43.560 the song as well. 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:48.200 She kneeled while she played. 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:49.799 With the speeches samples of the actual speeches or was 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:50.319 somebody else? 0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:53.760 No, it was the actual Like I got the okay 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:57.440 from doctor King's estate and family to use his images 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.960 and his speeches on my record. That was huge because 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:03.839 they just don't do that for anybody, for anybody. 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:04.960 It was super political. 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.920 Yeah, it was funky national anthem. I got it, Dan, 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:09.560 you gotta have me a funky okay. 0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:11.319 When I reposted it, I was like, it was nice 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:12.920 that they allowed you to show your love and your 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:14.200 frustration for this country. 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:16.080 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:23.480 Okay, So in performing I know that today, especially with 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.160 it being the call to personality and based on celebrity 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:31.560 that gets people approval. I know that in the seventies 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:36.759 you actually had to be good and great and you 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.360 had to entertain, not just perform, but you had to entertain. 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:44.680 So what was this the level of preparation, especially with 0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:47.680 Azteca and then eventually you went to George Duke and stuff. 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.160 What was the level of preparation that you guys put 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.399 into doing shows? Like were you guys looking at other 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:55.880 acts that were on the bill and like, yo, we 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:58.600 gotta blow them off the stage? Or you know, were 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:02.040 their headline acts that were like okay, can you guys 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:08.040 not you know, I'll just you know, do something normal And. 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:13.880 Right now, I don't know that. I don't remember with me, 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:17.120 once I said I was going to become a professional musician, 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:21.040 did was there a competition? I think that there was 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.720 competition early on with the other bands, the local bands, 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:25.880 We're gonna be better than them kind of thing. But 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:30.480 once once I became a professional musician, it wasn't about 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.520 we have to be better. The preparation was like, as 0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:36.160 Pops told me all the time. In order for you 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:37.799 to feel good about what you're doing and what you're 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.839 playing and walk out there with confidence. The only way 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.640 to do that is know what you're supposed to do. 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:45.640 And if you prepare and listen to the music, learn 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.000 you know all the breaks, and you walk in, you 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:53.719 play the show. You're gonna enjoy yourself and you're gonna 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.360 play and not have to worry or be afraid. So 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:58.840 I was always prepared. I always listened to the music 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.080 whatever I needed to listen to to make sure, especially 0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.279 if I had it ahead of time, I would learn 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:06.560 the music so I'd walk in. And that was part 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.160 of the issues with some of the other male drummers 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:13.160 was I'd walk in prepared and they wouldn't know anything, 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:15.319 and they're just like pissed off of. 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.359 Me, really, because you're because she did the job. 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.240 I did the job with a smile. 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.360 I'm so glad we didn't come up and see it. 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:28.440 I would have heard, Okay, actual proof where the cuts 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:33.440 in the Huppy song. So how I know that Because 0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:37.840 George Duke came from the school of uh Frank Zappa. 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.040 But I also know that in the mid seventies he 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:44.400 was trying to get more into his funk thing at 0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:47.200 I mean, we're his shows. I've never seen like any 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:50.120 of the tapes of his seventies shows on YouTube. I 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:51.920 mean there will be like a clip or two, yeah, 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:54.760 but it'll just be you know again like dookie stick 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:57.480 or you know, just like one of his his groove 0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:00.840 based songs. But how much of his fusion stuff that 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:05.120 he incorporate in his seventy shows by the time that 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:06.240 you joined his band. 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:10.320 Oh a lot of it. The dope thing about George 0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:13.439 was he played so many different genres of music because 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.960 he played the fusion a lot. He did play jazz, 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.200 we played a lot of Brazilian music, we played the 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:23.759 funk music. I mean, he played everything in the show. 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:26.600 So he allowed me to He never told me what 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:28.840 I needed to play or even what he wanted me 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:32.000 to play. He just always said, Okay, you got your 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.799 house full of stuff, whatever you feel like fits in 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:36.840 that song, just play it. So he allowed me to 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:40.200 grow as a musician. That doesn't really happen with people. 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.640 You know, everyone's a lot of times you need to 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:44.520 play this and you need to play that, and be 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:47.520 specific on what you're playing. But he just allowed me 0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:52.080 to express myself freely like always and that was. 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:55.160 Huge for these early gigs. Were you also your own 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:57.320 tech and your own rodie Like I know that times 0:52:57.320 --> 0:53:00.560 have changed now it's like I have a writer those things, 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:03.400 but now those things exist Back then. 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:07.319 Uh, I had a tech later, but no, I was 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:09.680 when I was playing the clubs in the Bay Area 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:13.919 with the different bands, I put my drum set, Timbali's 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:18.920 and congas in a voval myself, load and unload and 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:22.080 set everything up and then do the same thing every night. 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:25.000 So you transport it in a car. 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.160 In a car, That's what I say. 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.080 Those are hills where you live, Like how did you 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:32.120 get those? Like how did you transport? 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:34.920 Yeah? They were here, they were hells. But no, I 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:39.640 I had a voval and so I put all my 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.839 gear in a voval, not unless I use At one 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.799 point moms got a van, but that was I never 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.160 hardly use a van. So I was my own tech. 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:51.800 Absolutely sometimes I get help. And then later on with George, 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:55.120 he did have a tech. Uh so he did do 0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:56.800 a lot of the workers as well. 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:02.520 Yeah, after George Suke, it was did you do a 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.000 stint that I don't know if you did a stint 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:05.640 with Algibo or not, or I don't know if he 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:06.719 was just opening. 0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:09.359 Or we well, we played on the same bill. Yeah, 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:11.959 so we all jammed together. Yeah, we did shows together. 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:14.240 I wasn't officially in this band. What we played together? 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.640 Damn? Okay, because I thought that you would have been 0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:20.120 on the live in Europe. Look at the Rainbow. It's 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:21.480 one of my favorite albums. 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.960 Of it and I someone else asked me that, and 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.120 I'm not sure. I have to listen to it because 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:28.640 it could be me. We were in Europe doing those 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:32.400 shows a lot together on the same bill, so I 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:36.239 don't know. It's it's it's all a blur. I'd have 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.680 to listen and see, or it could be No, I 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:41.320 don't know. I was gonna say it could be Paulino. 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:43.239 Okay, I don't know. 0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:45.600 Were you on a lot of George Duke albums or 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:47.520 just part of his work? 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:52.120 Yeah, Resilient, Love Affair and uh the Game Master of 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:58.000 the Game, Follow the Rainbow, and about four after that 0:54:58.080 --> 0:54:59.520 I just don't remember the names of. 0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:01.040 Yeah. 0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:04.239 Yeah, I'm on the verge of going headlong into him. 0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.000 He's amazing, incredible. 0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:09.800 Yeah, oh you love it because. 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:12.359 Yeah, I'm coming in through the jazz way. Actually yeah, like. 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.799 No, Havadilla's stuff is based on like George stuff, so 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:21.319 you will love it instantly. So uh, I know that 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.840 you did stints with Uh, you're Diana Ross? Period? Was 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.279 that in the seventies or in the. 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:30.560 Yes, it was in the early seventies. 0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:33.160 Do you know if that? Are you part of the 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:35.239 I know that she had two live albums out in 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:39.080 the seventies, one was uh, there was one in the 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:43.960 seventy seven, which I know there's multiple percussionists when you're 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.640 doing these shows. Are you the lone percussionist on a 0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:47.680 majority of these shows? 0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:48.520 Are you sharing with? 0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:49.759 Yeah? Mostly? 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:51.920 Were you and your brother in a package or no? 0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:56.440 Those shows? Well with Diana Ross, that's a different story. 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:59.839 I didn't even make the record because I quit after 0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:00.719 this second gig. 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:06.759 Okay, I was gonna say client wise, pre pre your 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:13.279 your solo career. Who who was a client that was 0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:15.040 easy to work with? I mean, I don't mean the 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:18.480 complexity of the music, but just a comfortable environment that 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:24.160 you enjoyed, that you like the music versus high end. Yeah, 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:30.359 versus high end? Uh, you know, politics of either a 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:34.560 band a band leader not being cordial or being hard 0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:37.520 on you or whatever, or just because a lot of times, 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:39.640 you know, I know that with the artists, like even 0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.200 if the artist is is wrong, they're right. 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:44.719 Yeah wait, that's throw me off. 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.160 That's not the one and and you know, blaming you 0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:48.319 easy to point you out. 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:51.239 Yeah, well that was Dyana Ross. That's why I quit. 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:55.399 She came to play Circle Star Theater, which is one 0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:59.239 of the the dopest places playing in San Francisco at 0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:03.960 the time, and everyone played there. Shaka Rufus played there. 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:07.000 I mean everyone, oh Jay's it didn't matter. So all 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.480 the artists would come and play that play. So they 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.839 hired me to play. And it's in the round, so 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:17.640 it turns in. The stage turns throughout the show, so 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:22.240 half of the stage was pit for the orchestra. And 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:26.520 then she's on top of the main floor and so 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:28.720 you know, I told everyone in the Bay area, shoot, 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:32.080 I'm playing with Diana Ross. And all my people came. Well, 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:35.760 she didn't like people screaming at me. 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:44.240 Oh no, oh, get a one off, like okay, I 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:45.240 won't do it the second time. 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:48.200 Yeah, it was you know, I mean, and they announced 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.680 the people in the band and everything, and then but 0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:54.120 you know, she was very angry, and so then she said, well, 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:56.440 I'm getting too much Well she didn't tell me that. 0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:58.880 She told the musical director she's getting too much attention. 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:01.120 She needs to cover up from her neck all the 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:01.600 way down. 0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:02.480 Wow. 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.400 But they told me to wear black. I mean I 0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:08.480 just I had like a sleeveless blouse on. It was black. 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:11.440 Everyone should wear black. And I was like, okay. He said, well, 0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:13.200 she wants you to cover up your arms. I said 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:16.080 I can't because I'm playing and you know, it's like 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:17.240 this is going to get in a way. 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:18.760 I wanted you to cover that pretty face. 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:29.040 I shouldn't say that. 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:29.800 That's okay. 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:34.240 Oh yeah, So only two shows. 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:40.280 Yeah, I played the one night and then he said, 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:45.640 missus Ross wants to talk to you and for tomorrow's show, 0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:48.280 but she wants you to cover up. And I was like, well, 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.880 you hired me for my musicianship, right, he said yeah. 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:52.680 I said, well I'm doing what you need to do, 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.640 right he said yeah. I said I can't play with 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.600 the sleep It's going to be too hard. He said, okay, 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:00.520 well she would like to speak with you. Okay, So 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:03.080 I stood out the side of stood at the door 0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.360 of her dressing room and she could see me in 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:06.920 the mirror. She was just staring at me, but she 0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:10.960 was talking to her friend. Yeah, uh huh. So I'm 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:14.040 standing and she's just talking. I'm standing there. She could 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:17.640 she could see me in five minutes, ten fifteen, then twenty, 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:22.320 then almost going on thirty, and I said, oh, I'm leaving. 0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:25.960 So I turned around and her friend saw her because 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:28.800 Diana kind of you know, looked to the side, and 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:31.480 her friend turned around. She said, oh my god, you 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:32.360 were amazing. 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:34.040 I loved you. 0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:39.120 You were so amazing, and diyie, oh, yeah, that's all 0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.360 our percussionist. Blah blah blah. So I walked out of 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:44.560 the room and the guy said, well, you know, I 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:46.320 just want to make sure when you come tomorrow that 0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:48.160 you're going to be covered. I said, no, that's not 0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:51.120 gonna happen because I quit. He's like, not, we in 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:53.560 the two shows that night. So there was the two shows, 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:55.920 but the next night I didn't even show. I said, no, 0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:58.640 I'm not coming. He goes, no, no, no, wait, what 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:02.560 you're quitting? I said that absolutely. I said that's just wrong. 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:05.120 I know what she's doing. And she and then I 1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:08.400 got really angry. She made me wait there in the 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:11.960 dressing room. Right, she looked at me purposely and like 1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:13.840 dogged me and like hit you. 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:17.400 So you weren't afraid of no, no, no, not comming you 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:20.600 for that, But at that time in your early career, 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:22.080 you weren't afraid of burning the bridge. 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:24.400 No, she was wrong. 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:31.640 He So that makes the we are the World sessions super. 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.560 Between. Wait, what's the time between we are the World? 1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:39.840 And that's a lot of different, and it was different. 1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:43.040 There was never a breakups after the makeups to break ups. 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:45.440 No, it was I was she left Corvino when I 1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:47.360 played with her, and then. 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:51.520 I was she did talk to her sessions. 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:55.560 You con't my favorite. 1:00:58.880 --> 1:01:01.760 But did she know it was? Yes, I don't worry. 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:04.080 And I bet you were playing with sleeves by then, 1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:05.760 so like, oh I can do. 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:09.960 I swear some of them suits? It was some sleeves. 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:10.920 It was some sleeves, Shila. 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:11.320 No. 1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:14.960 After that, I laughed, we kind of we didn't say nothing, 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:17.160 but we laughed, like you come sit over here, you 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:21.040 know it's all good. Okay, that's my girl. 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:21.760 Okay. 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:23.400 I love me some Diana Ross. 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:28.160 So I gotta know I know that you were on 1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:33.040 the Midlight Midnight Love Tour. Okay, just to make sure. Okay, 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:38.080 So the the nineteen eighty the documentary, No no, no, the 1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:44.400 the nineteen eighty Manto Jazz Festival. That is not Chila playing, 1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:51.240 but I thought it was he has a crowd. No, no, no, 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:55.440 this I'm talking to Marvin. Yay. Now, I'm sorry you 1:01:55.560 --> 1:01:58.720 never seen it. Okay, I thought this whole time, I 1:01:58.720 --> 1:01:59.920 thought it was you. When I looked this morning, I 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:03.680 was like, that's not Sheila. When did you? When did you? 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:06.200 You've only joined for the Midlight Night Love Tour. 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:12.080 Yeah, very and eighty two, the very his very last tour. 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:16.560 I saw. It's not much footage is online, but I 1:02:16.640 --> 1:02:21.840 know of a promoter that had a really good Uh 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:24.400 at least there was a radio City of Music Hall 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:29.080 show that he did and it's it's there. And I'll 1:02:29.080 --> 1:02:31.640 say that of all the Marvin shows that I saw, 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:35.280 it was a little weird. I don't know if it's 1:02:35.280 --> 1:02:39.360 based on the newer material or whatever, but I mean 1:02:39.400 --> 1:02:41.800 there's a point where like even when he does sexual healing, 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:44.800 like he does a strip tease thing down to his 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:50.160 underwear and he just for this particular performance, he didn't 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:52.959 look comfortable. And then when the promoter told me like, yeah, 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:56.560 this is like one of his, I think he's like, yeah, 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:58.960 this's like his his he would only have eleven more 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:03.080 performances left, and there's like his last ten performances of 1:03:03.120 --> 1:03:06.520 his life. What was it you did the whole duration 1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:07.040 of that tour? 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:09.320 Yeah, the whole tour and my brother and one of 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:11.520 our friends. So there was three of us playing percussion, 1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:17.640 three of you, and we had duplicates of each, three 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.000 pairs of Tenbali's, three pair of congress, three pair of 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:21.760 bongos chimes. 1:03:21.960 --> 1:03:27.120 Yeah, what what was it like to to do that tour? 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:30.840 Just knowing what you know of what happened to his 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:34.120 life and stuff, and I mean not skied to personal 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:38.080 in his life, but what what was it like? Because 1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:39.720 even when I watched it, it just. 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:44.120 It's weird because I thought we started at Radio City. 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:45.760 That was the first gig, wasn't it. 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:47.920 Well maybe I don't know when he does, but he 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:50.840 said like this this is the last eleven something. Maybe 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:52.960 it was eleven months or whatever, but I know that 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:55.000 because we were out that was his last tour. I 1:03:55.080 --> 1:03:56.240 definitely know that it was the. 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:58.600 Last tour, definitely because after we got home was when 1:03:58.600 --> 1:03:59.280 he passed away. 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:02.040 He started in New York. It starts in New York. 1:04:02.080 --> 1:04:03.760 I think we started at Radio City. 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:04.400 It's crazy. 1:04:04.600 --> 1:04:06.120 I could swear. 1:04:06.720 --> 1:04:07.800 No, no, I mean, I don't know. 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:11.280 He could, but I'm just saying that. Usually like agents 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:14.960 like to start you off in right Kansas or somewhere 1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:15.720 where you can. 1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:18.160 Yeah, I don't know, And maybe we did. I just 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:24.160 remember because some stuff went down at that gig. So yeah, 1:04:24.200 --> 1:04:28.880 it was pretty interesting. He was amazing. I mean it 1:04:29.000 --> 1:04:31.280 was weird. What I mean. Of course the women loved, 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:35.520 you know, him dropping his pants into some boxers with 1:04:35.560 --> 1:04:39.240 some designs on him. But man, there were times when 1:04:39.280 --> 1:04:41.840 he was singing. I almost missed my cue because I 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:45.560 was a fan of going, oh my god, look at him. 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:48.760 I mean, I was tripping. He's at the piano, like really, 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:51.439 when he got into it, he got his rhythm going. 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:54.160 As far as knowing what songs were coming up, it 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:56.240 was amazing. He just blew us away. 1:04:56.680 --> 1:04:58.120 How often did those moments happen? 1:04:58.160 --> 1:05:00.439 And that's that's interesting that you would get this because 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:02.000 you worked with like so many great people as though. 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:04.440 Exactly now this was at the kind of at the 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:06.880 very beginning because it you know, I mean, I grew 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:08.439 up listening to Marvin gay and all of a sudden, 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:11.160 I'm in the band. And that was one of the 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:14.880 dopest conga drum beats. Everyone wanted to play. Doom Doom 1:05:16.080 --> 1:05:23.400 got the mother right. So playing that conga beats, like 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:27.120 I'm playing it with Marvin Gaye like this story. I 1:05:27.120 --> 1:05:28.760 don't know if I told you this before, but the 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:32.000 story when we were in rehearsals, like my brother didn't 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:36.280 have the gig, Peter Michael. So I'm playing and I 1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:39.720 kept telling him, come to rehearsal, you know, I think 1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:41.560 I can get you the gig. So he kept showing up. 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:44.520 So Marvin thought he was in the band for real, 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:48.360 like during rehearsals, no one, he didn't even know. And 1:05:48.480 --> 1:05:50.800 so he's playing. He's thinking that there's three of us playing. 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:55.200 So I'm playing. Uh, we're all playing at rehearsal, and 1:05:55.680 --> 1:05:58.240 everyone's kind of just sitting down playing, you know, chilling. 1:05:58.560 --> 1:06:00.480 So the three of us we start doing like the 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:05.520 Michael Jackson dance, the Jackson five danced. We start, oh yeah, 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:08.320 the two step. We started doing that, and we started 1:06:08.320 --> 1:06:10.920 getting into it. So then the horn players look like, oh, 1:06:11.080 --> 1:06:13.240 we can dance too, so then they started throwing down. 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:15.280 Then the singers are like, well, we can do something. 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:18.200 So all of a sudden, that's how everyone just started dancing, 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:21.960 because we started dancing first, and especially playing what's going on? 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:25.320 I mean, you can't help but not dance. So I'm 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:28.040 playing that beat and it's really it only consists of 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:32.640 that boom boom back dun. Well it got good to me, 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:34.520 and I hit that low jump and went dun dun 1:06:34.640 --> 1:06:38.160 goad got dude, you know I hit that low jump. 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:38.439 Right. 1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:43.400 He's a very soft spoken man. How you doing? She 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:47.320 like he whispers when he talks. His back was to 1:06:47.440 --> 1:06:51.920 us he's singing that song. I hit that extra drum beat. 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:55.200 There were twenty four at least twenty four to twenty 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:58.120 six people in the band. He put his hand up 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:00.720 and yelled with his back to us. I'm like, hold 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:04.120 on stop. And it was a trip because I don't 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:07.280 think anyone had heard him yell like yeah, and all 1:07:07.320 --> 1:07:12.480 you hear is you know, stick's falling, and you know, like, 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:20.080 what the heck does happen? And it's like, you know, right, 1:07:20.560 --> 1:07:24.400 And then he turned around and he and he has 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:27.520 his mic in his hand. He said, somebody played an 1:07:27.600 --> 1:07:31.800 extra beat, and I'm like, oh my, you could hear 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:35.120 my heart pounding. I was so scared. I was like, 1:07:35.280 --> 1:07:38.720 my heart's gonna pop out of my chest. I'm frightened. 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:40.760 And all I could think it was to blame it 1:07:40.760 --> 1:07:46.720 on Peter Michael. So so I just went like this. 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:50.440 I was like, I better say something before no one's okay, sorry, 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:56.480 mister gay. That was my brother, Peter Michael. So that 1:07:56.680 --> 1:07:59.360 the hand raised, Yeah, I raised my hand. Excuse me, 1:07:59.440 --> 1:08:01.600 I'm sorry, but I'll make sure that he doesn't do 1:08:01.640 --> 1:08:03.920 that again. And then Peter Michael put his hand in 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:06.440 it and he goes, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:08.760 he took it and he's like okay. So at the 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:13.400 end of all of this, Peter Michaels rehearsing with us 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:15.640 for a couple of weeks or whatever. We get ready 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:18.120 to leave and Peter Michael's walking to go home and 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:20.200 he says, I'm gonna drive back to oak because we're 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:22.679 rehearsing here in La. I'm gona drive back to Oakland 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:25.320 and the road. Magic River says, hey, man, go get 1:08:25.320 --> 1:08:27.839 your suit, your tuxed will get fitted for your tuxedo, 1:08:27.840 --> 1:08:30.320 and he's like, for what, He goes, you're going on tour. 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:34.120 He goes, I'm not in the band, and then he said, 1:08:34.200 --> 1:08:39.760 yes you are. He said, yes you are, and Marvin said, yeah, 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:42.120 you go get your suit. And he didn't know that 1:08:42.160 --> 1:08:44.320 Peter Michael wasn't in the band. He's like, make sure 1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:46.040 you get your suit and you look nice. And so 1:08:46.400 --> 1:08:49.400 he got hired as he was leaving because Marvin thought 1:08:49.439 --> 1:08:50.559 he was in the band the whole time. 1:08:50.640 --> 1:08:53.519 Oh wait, who's do you know who the MD was 1:08:53.520 --> 1:08:54.080 at the time. 1:08:54.320 --> 1:09:00.680 It was his cousin, nephew. What was his name? If 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:03.840 you told me his name, might say, okay, yeah, he 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:06.680 wasn't Like well wait a minute, Nobody said what. 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:08.160 The hell was he doing it in the first place? 1:09:08.760 --> 1:09:11.479 That many musicians Yep, okay, you brought up. You brought 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:13.440 up a point. Even when you said with the Askteker, 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:18.760 you mentioned at least seventeen eighteen nineteen people, how did 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:19.599 y'all get paid? 1:09:21.400 --> 1:09:24.599 We did? Really, we got paid well. I mean as 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:27.439 Teka was opening for earth Wind and Fire and Stevie 1:09:27.479 --> 1:09:31.800 and Temptations, so they were making money and that back 1:09:31.840 --> 1:09:35.840 in that day, you know, they were getting paid so. 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:38.240 You could you could still make a good living. 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:40.960 Actually as a as a side person. 1:09:41.520 --> 1:09:44.280 Yeah, at no point during this part of your journey 1:09:44.320 --> 1:09:47.679 are you thinking, Hey, I gotta be out in the front. 1:09:47.720 --> 1:09:49.599 I got to be my own artist, and I gotta 1:09:50.240 --> 1:09:52.160 you were just fine with being a team member, and. 1:09:52.200 --> 1:09:55.040 Oh absolutely I love being a team member. And the 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:58.080 crazy thing about it, even being a team member with Marvin, 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:00.519 he would still say she I want you to go 1:10:00.560 --> 1:10:03.639 take a solo. I'm like, okay. So he'd go change 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:05.320 and then the three of us would do this drum 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:07.840 thing that we made up, and I'd take a Timbalish solo. 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:10.040 We throw the sticks up and do this whole thing 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:12.200 until he come back in a new outfit. 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:16.479 Okay. And I'm always going to refer to the solo 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:21.320 because it's very important. When you bounce the stick on 1:10:21.360 --> 1:10:23.280 the floor, you throw up in the air and you 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:25.120 turn around do the pure wet and you catch it 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:25.760 behind your back. 1:10:25.880 --> 1:10:26.640 Yeah. 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:28.559 Has it ever dropped? 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:34.800 And I still yes, it has dropped. But here's the 1:10:34.880 --> 1:10:35.800 thing is when I was. 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.200 You play it off well or something like what I've. 1:10:38.280 --> 1:10:41.360 No I see, here's the thing. I'm gonna give away 1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:44.960 some of my secrets, please, thank you the ball. Yeah. 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:48.200 So here's the thing. It's I when I realized every 1:10:48.200 --> 1:10:50.360 time I wanted to make sure it's like she you know, 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:52.360 you can't freak out. I don't want to drop the stick. 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:53.840 And I was like, you know, I don't want to 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:55.400 drop the stay every time I throw it up. So 1:10:57.360 --> 1:10:58.960 most of the time I caught it. Once in a 1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:01.880 while I miss it. You'd hear the audience go, ah, well, 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:04.360 you're playing in front of twenty thousand people. And I 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:06.880 threw the stick up one time and I missed. I'm like, shoot, 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:09.519 you know, and you hear ah. And then I threw 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:11.120 it up again. I said, I'm catching a second when 1:11:11.160 --> 1:11:13.400 I missed it, I was like, seriously, But the all 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:17.760 got louder. Oh. And then the third one they're like, oh, 1:11:18.400 --> 1:11:21.200 she looked, come on, and then I looked, oh, they 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:23.880 want me to win. So the fourth one, I picked 1:11:23.880 --> 1:11:25.680 it up, and I mean, I threw it up and 1:11:25.720 --> 1:11:28.559 I caught it, and they're like, the roar was louder 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:32.559 than the first roar because they they wanted to be 1:11:32.680 --> 1:11:35.439 with me and cheer me on. I was like, I 1:11:35.520 --> 1:11:36.720 get it. I get it. 1:11:36.840 --> 1:11:39.719 See you're making me feel bad. For not taking more risks. 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:45.720 I did that once once once all it took. I 1:11:45.720 --> 1:11:49.640 did so and I was watching you did the thing 1:11:49.680 --> 1:11:51.360 when you bounced the stick off the floor or whatever, 1:11:51.680 --> 1:11:56.400 and the shit hit me in the face and I 1:11:56.439 --> 1:11:58.720 was like, never again, you got that. 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:01.639 Yeah, that hurts, and it's happened before. 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:03.799 I used to try it, like in bank class in school, 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:05.120 and you just stay on the floor. 1:12:05.240 --> 1:12:06.720 Yeah, Like I never knew. 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:08.679 How youre a science to the balance. 1:12:08.760 --> 1:12:11.680 That's why I like between watching her and Jerome bent 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:14.200 and do it. Yeah, I wanted to know how to 1:12:14.200 --> 1:12:14.559 do it. 1:12:14.479 --> 1:12:17.280 Do it with ease and they bounce off the floor, 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:20.719 spin and they kept it like it was nothing. Uh yeah, 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:25.160 I practiced that thing for least thirty seven minutes back backstage. 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:30.559 I was then, because backstage is marble floors bouncing right 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:34.719 your drum sets on a run. Somebodyn't think about. 1:12:34.080 --> 1:12:42.080 To make up your own move. That's Sheila move, all right? 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:44.800 So I know that you moved to Linel Richie right 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:46.160 after Mark correct. 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:50.960 I was actually uh touring with Marvin playing Chills at 1:12:51.040 --> 1:12:52.840 night and flying back to la during the day to 1:12:52.920 --> 1:12:55.800 rehearse with Lionel for that next tour. 1:12:56.800 --> 1:12:57.120 Wow. 1:12:57.560 --> 1:13:01.479 You the linel the first line of album tour not. 1:13:02.040 --> 1:13:07.559 Uh technically, well it's or canceled. Yeah, cancel because you're 1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:10.639 I forgot. You're in Running with the video. 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:19.240 Yes, she's the leader video. 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:28.320 You're not here right now? I finally know something important. Wow, yes, 1:13:29.439 --> 1:13:31.800 is the lead and Running with the Night video. 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:34.200 And so you did the cancel down tour? 1:13:34.920 --> 1:13:35.240 Yes? 1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:36.320 Yes, cancel? 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:38.800 Yeah, yes she did. 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:41.240 That's okay. 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:44.880 Sorry, I'm just amazed that I knew something that wasn't 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:46.960 here to steal my shine on my own show. 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:47.639 Thank you. 1:13:47.640 --> 1:13:51.160 So you're on the album too, I don't remember. 1:13:51.160 --> 1:13:54.320 I don't know if I came in before. 1:13:53.760 --> 1:14:00.679 Yes, before I did. Speaking speaking of are you there 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:05.919 or were you not there? Can you settle the debate 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:08.920 of if you are or if you're not on? Don't 1:14:08.920 --> 1:14:09.840 stop till you get enough? 1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:11.000 Oh? 1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:11.679 Good question. 1:14:12.200 --> 1:14:16.040 I've heard that you confirmed that you were on. I 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:18.679 heard you. I heard it was a rumor. I don't 1:14:19.320 --> 1:14:20.040 Is that a rumor? 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:22.880 No? Uh, that's not a rumor. 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:27.559 No it is no, it's no, it's is it fake news? Okay? 1:14:27.640 --> 1:14:30.840 Look what happened was Quincy called me and said he 1:14:30.920 --> 1:14:34.080 wanted me to play something on this song that Michael 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:36.680 had written with some kind of he didn't know what 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:40.599 percussion thing it was going to be right, So I forget, 1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:42.160 I don't know. I want to say it's Westlake. I 1:14:42.200 --> 1:14:44.439 can't remember what's too he was in La Westlake. Yeah, 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:46.719 I think it was west Lake. So I go there 1:14:47.280 --> 1:14:51.800 and I'm one known for not using normal percussions. I 1:14:51.840 --> 1:14:57.360 makeup stuff. I use different things, bachelor's hair brushes, chopsticks, 1:14:57.479 --> 1:15:00.600 you know, just whatever bite of an apple put on 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:05.000 the snare. I'm telling my secrets. Yeah, uh huh, I 1:15:05.000 --> 1:15:20.680 know you're gonna rewind that one. But so I go 1:15:20.720 --> 1:15:22.880 into the studio and it is like trying to figure out, Okay, 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:26.040 what what works here? What he's what? They're trying to 1:15:26.640 --> 1:15:29.000 tell me he need he needs something. So I took 1:15:29.080 --> 1:15:33.680 water bottles and I want real bottles, not plastic. We 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:36.360 didn't happen, but water bottle and I tuned it to 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:39.360 the song, and I used my that metal piece for 1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:42.120 the triangle that I played the triangle with. I used 1:15:42.120 --> 1:15:46.320 that for the sides and went gan. So I tuned 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:50.559 it to the to the song. That's it. But what's 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:53.519 so So what happened was they kept changing Who's gonna 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:55.960 play on what you know? That thing went on forever 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:58.880 trying to get it done, and they forgot I played 1:15:58.920 --> 1:16:00.479 on it, and they're like, no, I think it was 1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:02.680 Paulino or maybe it was what. 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:07.120 Well, you're not the first person to get gagged on this, right, 1:16:07.400 --> 1:16:07.640 So I. 1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:13.320 Was just gonna say feeling games too. So I'm waiting 1:16:13.360 --> 1:16:15.479 for the record to come out, and the record comes off. 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:17.599 I was telling me what I played on Michael's first record, 1:16:17.640 --> 1:16:20.400 blah blah blah blah. So I go to Leopolds in 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:24.320 Berkeley and Michael's doing a signing. So he says, I'm 1:16:24.320 --> 1:16:26.160 going to be there at Leopold's. I want you guys, come. 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:26.439 Okay. 1:16:26.520 --> 1:16:29.760 We go to Leopolds, We meet him there and I 1:16:29.800 --> 1:16:32.040 get the record and I was like, my name's not 1:16:32.080 --> 1:16:36.240 on the record. He's like, huh, my name is not 1:16:36.280 --> 1:16:39.680 on the record, man. So I just have to tell 1:16:39.720 --> 1:16:40.160 the story. 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:42.720 Damn Michael, who did the credits for that? 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:48.080 I did because I always forget people. That's funny because 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:50.759 he did it in store at Leopold's. Because I believe 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:54.400 there's there's footage of him the same day that he 1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:58.320 did that in store at Leopold's. There's footage of him 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:03.719 visiting in Oakland club that very night and the DJ 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:06.280 plays don't stop tea good enough, and he gets on 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:08.479 and like he grabs the microphone and dances a little 1:17:08.479 --> 1:17:12.720 bit in front of it, like it's it's that night 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:15.960 in Oakland that that same that same period. Wait a minute, 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:18.080 he let you guys know, I know this is weird 1:17:18.120 --> 1:17:20.320 because you've played with everyone, but I'm kind of freaked 1:17:20.320 --> 1:17:26.720 out that, like you were even on speaking terms with 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:27.519 Michael Jackson. 1:17:27.600 --> 1:17:29.000 It was just me, But I thought it was like 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:32.920 something people, because that's kind of uncommon. Wait, so did 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:34.760 y'all talk about each other? And did he say? 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:35.080 Did he? 1:17:35.160 --> 1:17:35.880 And did he asked you? 1:17:35.960 --> 1:17:36.240 Were he? 1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:37.760 And why are you talking to him? 1:17:37.880 --> 1:17:41.040 But he wasn't. He wasn't Michael Jackson. I mean, was 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:42.839 Michael Jackson. He was still Michael Jackson. 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:46.080 But yeah, but I met them when they were I 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:49.839 met them with George Duke in the seventies, so I 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:52.440 met the whole family when they were playing in Europe. 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:53.320 So they were still approachable. 1:17:53.520 --> 1:17:55.120 Yes, okay, absolutely. 1:17:55.600 --> 1:17:57.920 They wanted me to teach Randy how to play percussion, 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:01.360 so I went to the house to try and and 1:18:01.400 --> 1:18:03.960 then the parents were like, we don't want to know Mexican. 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:05.080 I'm just kidding. 1:18:07.560 --> 1:18:12.880 Something, but I'll let it go. But I kidding. 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:18.880 No, No, they wanted me to come and, uh, you know, 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:19.880 teach him how to play? 1:18:19.920 --> 1:18:23.439 So, yeah, can you teach him how to play? Because 1:18:23.439 --> 1:18:26.080 people ask me all the time, No, yes, I say, 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:29.000 I say yes, man. I've seen every one of their 1:18:29.000 --> 1:18:30.960 mom asked me. And the most I'll do is I'll 1:18:30.960 --> 1:18:33.680 do a play. I do not know how to or 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:34.920 I don't know if I have the patients do. 1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:37.280 But there's another secret. 1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:40.000 When's the last time you gave a lesson? Can you 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:41.799 teach them how to play? Okay? 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:43.280 Yeah, I've done some. 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:45.719 I don't mean like when you're going to a school 1:18:45.720 --> 1:18:47.360 and whatever and you're like, okay, you hold the sticks 1:18:47.360 --> 1:18:50.040 and it's like, I mean, like a real Okay, I'll 1:18:50.080 --> 1:18:52.639 be there at four o'clock and then I sit down 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:56.839 and your jackson, you're paradiddling need to Deafinitely. 1:18:57.640 --> 1:19:04.160 I don't know any so I don't. Yeah, I don't 1:19:04.200 --> 1:19:06.800 know a lot of that stuff. Anyway, you know. I 1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:12.040 taught like people at some of the women conferences and stuff, 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:14.160 and we talk about my book or what everything I'll say, 1:19:14.200 --> 1:19:15.880 but I can also teach you how to play drums 1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:19.759 very simple. It's really simple. And everyone's going no, no, no, 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:21.519 I want to play, and I don't know how to play. 1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:23.720 So I have a drum set in the room for 1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:28.040 these conferences, and all I do is this is this 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:31.000 is the trick right here. And because it's mind over matter, 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:33.120 you can sit down. You're going my feet and my 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:35.120 hands are gonna How am I going to separate my 1:19:35.200 --> 1:19:39.320 brain to do well? If you're walking, you're walking opposite 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:42.040 like this, your your your hand and your feet are 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:44.880 walking opposite of each other. So if you walk like 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:49.000 that on the drums, high hat kick, high hat kick, 1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:51.479 I can do it like this and every if you 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:56.840 just walk on the drums, immediately everyone plays doom, got doom, 1:19:56.960 --> 1:20:00.759 got doom. Got It happens in three seconds. 1:20:00.880 --> 1:20:05.360 I'm going through some emotional things in the corner because 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:08.080 my dad is a drummer, and for all my first 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:09.560 ten years of my life, I wanted to be a 1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:12.040 drummer and he just never taught me. And I had 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:13.320 to look at you on TV, and then I had 1:20:13.360 --> 1:20:16.200 to look at our look at Terry, and now that 1:20:16.400 --> 1:20:18.200 was he could have at least just shown me that 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:20.960 you know the way to hold the sticks and it's 1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:27.920 still hard. Yes, you weren't teaching, what you say. 1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:30.599 Did you hear what he said? You don't teach. 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:33.040 You never asked. I mean, you wouldn't have done it, 1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:36.280 would have taught it. Can at least give me the 1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:37.480 honor to reject. 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:40.440 You teach me how to play the drums. 1:20:40.479 --> 1:20:43.800 But I just had an epiphany, and I'm dead serious. 1:20:45.280 --> 1:20:48.720 You are going to be my percussion teacher. Okay, I 1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:53.680 do not feel like I'm a complete drummer until. 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:57.040 All right, So you take your bottle water. We're here. 1:20:58.920 --> 1:21:03.880 You get your bottle of water. Bill Hannim water. 1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:14.799 You just wait. Not all you have bottles. I'm thirsty, 1:21:15.120 --> 1:21:17.400 heard me calling. I'm not thirsty, but I gotta get 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:19.200 rid of this. I don't want to destroy Electric Lady 1:21:19.240 --> 1:21:19.960 Studios right now. 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:22.679 But you have to drink some of it because it's 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:28.120 too full to to make a sound. There you go. 1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:31.559 You're not supposed to do that. 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:34.480 This is gonna be the next I watched watch. 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:38.439 You you holy For those that. 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:42.120 Are listening at home, there breathing earlier, we say breathing. 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:44.559 This is a boss water commercial, right, now is based 1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:46.360 using bottles of water. 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:54.360 But she didn't do that. But she didn't. You encourage me, woman, 1:21:55.880 --> 1:22:02.800 you're doing good. I just mean that this is a. 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:06.559 Mere failing wait away from the mic first of all, 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:09.599 just may. 1:22:09.680 --> 1:22:11.479 Do it away from the mica, because this is why 1:22:11.520 --> 1:22:13.400 I can't whistle in the mic when i'm. 1:22:13.360 --> 1:22:15.000 Yeah, because you're gonna hear nothing but error. 1:22:15.560 --> 1:22:16.200 Oh you're right. 1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:19.160 No, no, no, no, you do it like the shut up, 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:24.040 you get away from the mic. They're just mad at you. 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:25.160 You just this is pressure. 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:27.360 It's not we're not looking. Go ahead. You said you 1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:28.639 don't like it when other people looking. 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:31.200 No, don't make a sound first, just make a sound 1:22:31.200 --> 1:22:31.759 with the bottle. 1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:39.559 Yeah you did, Bill, Okay, you want there you. 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:47.400 Stop trying to do headhunters and just. 1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:49.920 Just a can we tell the prince heres now? Please? 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:56.960 No, you have to hit a different notes than the 1:22:57.000 --> 1:22:57.839 note in the bottle. 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:02.000 There you go, There you go like Bobby mcfern type. 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:04.920 Yes, there you go. Good job. 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:12.200 I am now that we've edited half of that out. 1:23:13.200 --> 1:23:14.560 I'm kidding. I'm kidding. 1:23:14.280 --> 1:23:16.360 It's okay, wow, thank you. 1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:18.639 Yeah, I do feel lightheaded. 1:23:21.240 --> 1:23:22.960 That's your first lesson how to get high? 1:23:24.080 --> 1:23:26.000 That's interesting, though, Sheila, because you talked like a mere 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:28.439 already talked about carporal tunnel and stuff, and you seem 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:30.600 to have very healthy hands and wrists. 1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:33.759 You talked me about the rice trick. I did that. 1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:37.280 You did what she told me to go to Traded 1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:39.920 Joe's or to a place that has like just one 1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:44.479 of the big ass industrial sized rice bags. Put it 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:48.040 in my freezer and then put my entire arm in it, 1:23:48.160 --> 1:23:53.439 and uh, exercise, exercise, mold. Do you warm them before 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:54.080 you go on stage? 1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:57.479 I do a little bit now, fifteen minutes, just just 1:23:58.640 --> 1:24:00.800 back and forth with the sticks on a pillow or 1:24:01.640 --> 1:24:05.639 couch or chair or something, and that helps. Yes, absolutely see. 1:24:05.680 --> 1:24:10.000 I thought, in in tune with with our James and 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:13.600 too many Miles Davis stories that that would kind of 1:24:13.600 --> 1:24:15.800 be like eating before you get to the restaurant or. 1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:18.320 WoT. 1:24:18.920 --> 1:24:21.360 Well, I learned the hard way, like maybe you have. 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:24.800 I mean I never warmed up before I played, so 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:27.439 I've got injury after injury and it's like, okay, you 1:24:27.479 --> 1:24:30.599 need to stop and you need to warm up. So yeah, 1:24:30.640 --> 1:24:33.400 I mean, my my wrist was messed up. I couldn't 1:24:33.520 --> 1:24:37.160 pick up a toothbrush to brush my teeth, my elbow. 1:24:37.600 --> 1:24:39.120 So I had a p r P done. 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:40.960 Which does that work? 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:41.160 Oh? 1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:41.519 My god? 1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:43.599 Look I'm doing a p r P in like a month. 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:45.320 Oh does it work? 1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:49.679 I'll tell you. Wait, who's well? We can talk after I'll. 1:24:49.560 --> 1:24:50.800 Give you my. 1:24:52.200 --> 1:24:52.400 Yeah. 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:54.479 But i'll tell you now. I have the dopest doctor here. 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:57.800 He moved here New York. Yes, he did mine and 1:24:57.880 --> 1:25:01.880 everybody I think, So, what's his name? 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:05.280 You know what? I think? We see this? We see okay, uh, 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:07.960 there there's a doctor in Brooklyn. I see your photos 1:25:08.040 --> 1:25:09.720 up in there, Stevie Wonder's photo. 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:11.439 Like then it would be him. 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:12.839 He's amazing. 1:25:12.840 --> 1:25:14.879 African? Is African? 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:15.200 No? 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:15.760 What is he? 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:17.719 He's not African. 1:25:17.960 --> 1:25:19.919 I think he's like the opposite the way she's looking. 1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:21.440 Like it's Caucasian. 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:24.280 Yeah no, I mean this is the doctor's office. So 1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:29.880 many doctors have done. But PRP is, I guess in 1:25:29.920 --> 1:25:32.760 a way to describe it is when they take your 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:35.880 blood out of you and then feed it back like 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:36.679 they have. 1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:41.080 To spin it first. Yeah no, no, they spin it 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:43.280 and clean it and then they get the good blood 1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:45.960 as it spits out in like three or four or 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:49.439 five different bags automatically. In this machine and then they 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:51.760 take the good blood and then they mix it and 1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:54.160 they shoot it back in the area and you end 1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:56.800 up growing new tissue. That's what it does. So I 1:25:56.840 --> 1:25:59.360 grew new tissue in my elbow and my wrist. I 1:25:59.400 --> 1:26:02.240 did have it twice, because sometimes you do. I just 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:07.000 want to tell you take a pain pill before you 1:26:07.080 --> 1:26:12.439 do this, because I'm no, I'm not scared, and I'm 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:17.960 not scared. That's fine. I am okay, that's the simple parte. 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:18.640 No. 1:26:18.800 --> 1:26:23.160 The pain is that your blood going back into that area. 1:26:23.320 --> 1:26:27.120 Is it hurts? Like I can't even explain. I filmed 1:26:27.160 --> 1:26:30.559 my whole thing. I haven't all on film yet. 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.320 The uh, well, I only know about it because at 1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:37.240 the tonight show, a lot of those camera guys there, 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:40.160 it's wearing terror for them to do that a lot. 1:26:40.280 --> 1:26:43.160 So at least four or five of them have gotten. 1:26:43.720 --> 1:26:45.760 But how are you going to do this when you 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:47.160 need at least three weeks off? 1:26:49.120 --> 1:26:53.840 That's I'm waiting for Christmas? Yeah, Christmas break to do. 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:56.080 It and you literally you can't do Where are you 1:26:56.160 --> 1:26:59.000 having it done in New York? No? No? No, I mean 1:26:59.200 --> 1:26:59.920 is it your wrisks? 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:01.160 I'm doing it on my knee. 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:03.439 Oh Yeah, that's good. My mom had it done on 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:05.240 her knee too, same for our same guy. 1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:06.120 So you want to get. 1:27:08.160 --> 1:27:09.519 Talking about blood and everything. 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:13.080 I never heard of it, but it's important because really, 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:16.360 in order to sustain what we do for real, we 1:27:16.520 --> 1:27:19.600 get I have. I had a torn uh in my 1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:23.200 shoulder all this stuff. My back went out in nineteen 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:24.639 ninety from wearing heels. 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:27.400 I wanted you to talk about that because wearing. 1:27:27.120 --> 1:27:30.160 Heels and it shortened my calf muscle wearing heels playing 1:27:30.200 --> 1:27:33.519 for years and years and years, my back gave out. Uh. 1:27:33.560 --> 1:27:35.559 And when it gave out, I was partially paralyzed for 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:38.320 like two months, sorry, two weeks, and then it took 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:41.080 four months and three doctors, three or four doctors to 1:27:41.680 --> 1:27:44.120 get me to walk an entire block like I had 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:47.040 to start learn how to walk all over. Had I 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:50.679 had a cane must have been determined. I was in pain, pain, pain. 1:27:51.040 --> 1:27:52.000 I didn't want to take. 1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:54.759 You are a trailblazer in pain because there was nobody 1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:56.880 else that you could probably vibe with because nobody else 1:27:56.960 --> 1:27:59.439 is wearing heels, playing kungaz bong, goes. 1:27:59.240 --> 1:28:01.000 And eggs exactly. 1:28:01.160 --> 1:28:04.200 Yeah, that's what I was freaking out on some women. 1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:06.120 Yeah, no, it messed me up. 1:28:06.200 --> 1:28:11.559 Yeahs right, but he didn't. His surgery was after yours, 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:13.120 right like you had George before he did. 1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:14.920 Well, I didn't have surgery. 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:16.320 You didn't know. 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:18.640 They wanted me to have surgery in my back and 1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:21.040 I said no, I think let me try to walk 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:26.679 on and do this health wise, you know, by myself 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:30.479 and with the doctors. And it worked. Yeah, so it 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:31.240 took a long time. 1:28:31.280 --> 1:28:34.640 Now what those I'm sorry. I started with line and 1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:35.240 then we got off. 1:28:35.479 --> 1:28:36.479 I don't know what happened. 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:45.280 Were those? Was that a good tour for you or 1:28:45.400 --> 1:28:50.519 did you? Marvin? No? No? After I mean after was 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.240 it night and day? Or I mean. 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:54.679 Was it a good tour with linel? 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:55.120 Oh? 1:28:55.240 --> 1:28:59.920 Amazing? For me? It was the first time, uh, realizing 1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:03.160 when someone makes that much money what that really means. 1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:06.360 And so then you start touring on a private plane. 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:13.759 Hot cookies when you get on the plane, blankets, dranks, chicken. 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:18.320 I was worried. I wasn't good. 1:29:18.360 --> 1:29:20.200 I was scared to eat fried chicken in front of you. 1:29:20.360 --> 1:29:24.960 First impressions. By the way, can I get adding this 1:29:24.960 --> 1:29:26.880 this this video with the line on Richie video just 1:29:26.880 --> 1:29:29.920 a quick quest quest left supreme one degree separation. Michael 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:34.320 Peters godfather Michael Peters. 1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:36.080 I was going to say, how long did it take 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:36.799 for you guys. 1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:39.280 Told the story about Disneyland taking the Disneyland? 1:29:39.400 --> 1:29:42.559 Yeah, okay, the rapper Prodigy from Mob Deep, that's his 1:29:42.600 --> 1:29:44.200 god this year. 1:29:44.320 --> 1:29:47.360 Yeah, And I was gonna say, how long did it 1:29:47.400 --> 1:29:50.799 take for you guys to I mean, were you throwing 1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:52.480 off about being the lead lady. 1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:56.120 Or I didn't want to do it because Blind was 1:29:56.200 --> 1:29:59.599 like my brother and he says okay, and Michael Peter's 1:29:59.600 --> 1:30:01.679 not there, like Okay, she have to learn this dance 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:04.360 step and I'm like, okay, what are we gonna do? 1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:06.400 And the dance steps that Michael Peter how, I'm like, 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:10.720 who does that? Like yeah, like how am I going 1:30:10.760 --> 1:30:13.240 to extend the arm with the leg? And then look 1:30:13.280 --> 1:30:15.559 at Line like we're in love? That's my brother. Like 1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:19.240 so we kept laughing and in between takes we couldn't 1:30:19.240 --> 1:30:21.360 even get it together, and Line was like, don't look 1:30:21.360 --> 1:30:23.439 at me like that, like it's your fault. 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:28.360 Don't look at me like that did direct that video? 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:29.200 Yes he did? 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:30.519 Wow, Yes he did. 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:31.440 It was dope. 1:30:32.040 --> 1:30:34.040 You must have been in the All Night Long video too. 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:35.080 There were like five thousand. 1:30:37.960 --> 1:30:43.520 We all look alike and I'm gonna mess with you. 1:30:43.520 --> 1:30:46.400 No, actually I thought initially I thought, who was the 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:48.439 lead in Hello video? She was all my children? 1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:50.360 Oh yeah, I forgot her name. 1:30:51.840 --> 1:30:53.840 It wasn't. That wasn't the same chick from Thriller. 1:30:53.840 --> 1:30:59.240 I thought, oh no, that was that was Oh no, no, no, okay, 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:01.559 why do I know this? Her name was Laura Carrington. 1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:03.599 Why do you know that? 1:31:04.240 --> 1:31:07.599 Because I stopped much in the eighties. Her and Old 1:31:07.720 --> 1:31:11.559 Ray like those names, they were the original video joints. 1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:13.960 You know what I'm saying. Uh No, But I thought 1:31:14.439 --> 1:31:16.840 when I saw the Running with the Night video, I 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:18.960 was like, yo, she grew hair out a lot like 1:31:19.080 --> 1:31:22.080 I thought it was continuation, like oh they were dating 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:24.120 now off the college campus and now she got her 1:31:24.160 --> 1:31:28.440 site back? What right? Exactly exactly? 1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:32.759 But that album, that album was very Latin leaning. 1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:37.080 Yeah, the can slowed down, cancelo down. 1:31:37.920 --> 1:31:40.719 There was there was a lot of percussion on the album. 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:43.120 Yeah, there was some. I played percussion on one or 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:45.559 two of Linel's records, and I don't remember if it 1:31:45.600 --> 1:31:48.120 was that one or not, but which I do have 1:31:48.200 --> 1:31:51.160 to look and see. But he did he loved having 1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:53.240 a percussion in the show. And the cool thing about 1:31:53.240 --> 1:31:56.360 line again that was so different from the Marvin Gaye tour, 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:59.800 but musically and then what they were doing, I mean 1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:04.479 they had, uh, all these people putting together the show. 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:07.760 It's like a big major thing, you know, and you know, 1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:15.240 private planes and cookies chicken chicken and uh, you know, 1:32:15.360 --> 1:32:17.960 you've got clothes made for you and everyone's you know, 1:32:18.479 --> 1:32:22.000 everything is coordinating, and you're going, wow, this is Yes, 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:24.880 it's the big times. My first time ever experienced in that, 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:27.120 and I was like, oh, this is what it is. Okay, 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:28.000 I think I want this. 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:30.240 Yeah, okay, Shela. 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:31.559 I think I may roll with you for a while. 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:38.880 And this guy okay, okay, let's throw me. 1:32:38.840 --> 1:32:49.799 Under your bus. So wasn't being positive. 1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:52.280 I love being. 1:32:54.200 --> 1:32:57.000 His name. His name is Sugar, all right, So Steve, Basically, 1:32:58.720 --> 1:33:00.280 we're here an Electric Ladies studio. 1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:02.479 Because a good story to tell. 1:33:02.640 --> 1:33:04.679 This is where no, I'm trying to make it sustinct 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:11.559 and fastest watch watch watch Okay. Uh I wasted twelve 1:33:11.560 --> 1:33:16.000 minutes right there. Okay, So we're in Electric Lady Studios 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:19.639 because for five years this is where we recorded D'angelo's Voodoo, 1:33:20.280 --> 1:33:23.240 which Steve was one of the Angel ten. Yeah, trust me, 1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:26.960 we spent a lifetime with d Angelo. So after the 1:33:27.040 --> 1:33:31.960 Voodoo record, and I guess you know, you started getting Yeah, 1:33:32.000 --> 1:33:34.760 you worked on Black Besides, which took fourteen years to make. 1:33:35.760 --> 1:33:38.719 But by that point, you know, everything fell off the rails. 1:33:38.720 --> 1:33:42.400 And he became my full time engineer. And I think 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:46.519 Steve is probably the first white person in history to 1:33:46.600 --> 1:33:50.759 have diabetes. He basically after. 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:51.479 The first white person. 1:33:54.600 --> 1:33:56.599 Got it. How he got how he got it? Yeah, 1:33:58.040 --> 1:33:59.960 because of my soul food diet. 1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:03.960 It Lord, I moved to Philly. He moved to Philly 1:34:04.040 --> 1:34:07.519 basically just eating every meal with him. Yeah, and and 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:08.520 I got diabetes. 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:10.200 Yeah. 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:14.479 And there was a church street that what was the 1:34:14.520 --> 1:34:15.920 name of the church house? 1:34:16.000 --> 1:34:20.439 Prayer house to prayer Stevie wonder l version of it. Yeah, 1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:22.400 it's the House of diabetes. Definitely. 1:34:22.520 --> 1:34:25.320 Oh my goodness, do not feed your white person too 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:27.720 much that what happened to you? 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:33.280 Glins food after Okay, so I know you're asked this 1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:35.759 a billion times, So I want to take a different approach. 1:34:38.000 --> 1:34:47.640 Can you tell me a random, normal print story, No, 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:51.880 like a very normal story, Like, but what is normal. 1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:57.080 Oh that time that our volkswagon broke down in the 1:34:57.120 --> 1:35:00.840 middle of the four oh five and we had to 1:35:01.200 --> 1:35:01.920 to the supermarket. 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:10.320 He ran out of toilet paper. 1:35:10.520 --> 1:35:15.040 Let me get this sorry. Wow, I'm pretty sure that 1:35:15.080 --> 1:35:17.840 the world half of your fans know how you met 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:22.200 Prince at backstage at his show in the seventies. 1:35:21.920 --> 1:35:23.599 Same place where I played with Diana Ross. 1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:28.880 Okay, the same theater, Yes, the same show. No, okay, wait, 1:35:28.920 --> 1:35:30.400 what was he doing going to see Algebra? 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:32.960 Well, we were both at the Algiro show, Great Theater 1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:34.919 in Oakland, Berkeley. 1:35:35.040 --> 1:35:35.639 I'm impressed. 1:35:35.640 --> 1:35:38.200 That's when we first saw put at each other and went. 1:35:40.640 --> 1:35:42.639 So you were there to see Algebra? You were there 1:35:42.640 --> 1:35:43.080 playing with. 1:35:43.160 --> 1:35:45.640 Both No, we were both there to see Algira. But 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:47.600 I think I was playing with George then. But but 1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:51.080 we were both there watching Algerrol on stage, see from 1:35:51.080 --> 1:35:54.000 each other, and we locked eyes and it was over. 1:35:54.360 --> 1:35:56.200 Princeton strike me as a cat. That was like, yo, 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:57.320 I gotta see Algebra. 1:35:58.080 --> 1:36:00.799 He loved and he loved all that music. 1:36:00.920 --> 1:36:03.400 It's weird to me because, at least from what I know, 1:36:03.640 --> 1:36:07.640 like I feel like if from people I know that 1:36:07.680 --> 1:36:11.040 you're either a total student or a total leader, and 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:18.320 oftentimes leaders aren't too they're more aloof or not aware. 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:23.759 I totally disagree. Let me tell you why no, because 1:36:23.800 --> 1:36:26.439 you can be both and that's what makes it awesome. 1:36:26.760 --> 1:36:28.960 I'm going to continue to be a student left life 1:36:29.200 --> 1:36:31.920 forever because I'm never going to learn everything, and if 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:34.639 every single day I learned something, so I'm always a student. 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:37.000 Prince was the same way, and I'm a leader. Prince 1:36:37.120 --> 1:36:39.200 was the same way. He was a student. He wouldn't 1:36:39.200 --> 1:36:41.040 say it, but he's a student because every time we 1:36:41.120 --> 1:36:43.640 came in with something different, he's learned the stuff he 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:46.800 had never even heard before, you know. So, I mean 1:36:46.840 --> 1:36:49.479 he was he became a student if he's in a 1:36:49.520 --> 1:36:52.040 situation with other people that he's not played with, or 1:36:52.600 --> 1:36:55.560 you know, we bring in music that he's never I 1:36:55.640 --> 1:36:57.760 mean when he first met my families, like what kind 1:36:57.760 --> 1:37:01.240 of music is this? Latin jazz? Dang, this is dope? 1:37:01.280 --> 1:37:02.760 You know that's the first time you heard it? 1:37:03.640 --> 1:37:06.680 Okay, Yeah, So he he was always a student in 1:37:06.680 --> 1:37:08.519 a way. Never had to really say it, but he 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:11.720 was always learning, which is why he every time you 1:37:11.840 --> 1:37:13.760 can tell if he was hanging with this group of 1:37:13.800 --> 1:37:16.800 people or that group of people, his music changed the 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:19.800 influence from being a student. I think he was always 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:22.000 a student and he was also a leader, And I 1:37:22.040 --> 1:37:25.439 think you can do both. That's my take on it. 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:28.639 No, I never thought of that can do both. 1:37:28.720 --> 1:37:30.280 It sounds like we all should be both. 1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:34.759 Yes, we we yes, all of people. 1:37:36.200 --> 1:37:39.959 Okay, I love ald. 1:37:42.520 --> 1:37:44.200 Steve after all? 1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:46.600 Really Okay? 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:49.120 In this Love Get Alive dead last. 1:37:57.479 --> 1:38:00.160 He locked eyes with Aldiau And then what happened. 1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:10.360 That I got that Steve? So in meeting? How long 1:38:10.400 --> 1:38:13.400 did it take for him to really convince you that 1:38:13.439 --> 1:38:14.719 you should be your own artist? 1:38:16.240 --> 1:38:21.160 And for him to convince me yes, Oh, it. 1:38:21.120 --> 1:38:23.479 Was assuming that he was the one that told you 1:38:23.479 --> 1:38:24.639 you need to be your own artist. 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:30.160 Well he wasn't the only one. But I had been 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:34.600 writing a lot of my own music when I was 1:38:34.600 --> 1:38:37.920 a teenager, and whatever money that I made at clubs 1:38:38.000 --> 1:38:41.080 or whatever, I would take that money and go buy 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:43.120 a piece of gear. And I said, I'm going to 1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:46.120 learn how to record. I'm going to be an engineer. 1:38:46.200 --> 1:38:47.600 I'm going to learn how to produce. I'm going to 1:38:47.640 --> 1:38:49.840 learn how to write songs. So I started with a 1:38:49.840 --> 1:38:52.840 two track, then I started with a four track. You know, 1:38:52.880 --> 1:38:55.439 and you keep duplicating, like then you hear more hissing 1:38:55.520 --> 1:38:57.400 and more, you know, to get to that point, what 1:38:57.520 --> 1:39:00.599 is what am I listening to? So I kept buying gear, 1:39:00.880 --> 1:39:03.120 and so I had tons of tapes of songs that 1:39:03.120 --> 1:39:10.800 I'd written when I was with Marvin gay Prince Prince was. 1:39:11.160 --> 1:39:16.280 I forgot what record he was doing then nineteen ninety nine, right, yeah, 1:39:18.360 --> 1:39:22.080 So nineteen ninety nine, during the Marvin Gaye tour, he 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:25.600 was sending me flowers, and then you know, coming to 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:28.960 some of the shows Lionel, Ritchie and eighty three, then 1:39:29.000 --> 1:39:31.679 he started coming hanging out. He's like, man, you're always 1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:33.920 backing everyone else the same thing. You get a solo 1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:36.479 with everybody. Every time I see you're playing with you know, 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:38.479 don't you want to do something? I said, yeah, I do, 1:39:38.560 --> 1:39:41.760 but I'm you know, when the time is right. And 1:39:41.840 --> 1:39:45.599 so during me playing percussion with Line on eighty three, 1:39:46.360 --> 1:39:50.120 then towards the end of Lionel's tour, he said, you 1:39:50.120 --> 1:39:52.120 want to do a record? I said sure, He said, okay, 1:39:52.200 --> 1:39:55.920 let's do one. I said, okay. That was it, just 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:59.439 like that, and we went into the studio and a 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:02.560 week later we were finished with Glamours Life Record. 1:40:02.880 --> 1:40:06.559 Wow, you recorded it in that in less than two weeks. 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:08.679 You have it's only like six songs. 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:10.680 I get it. 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:13.400 Well, yeah, but you also have to be focused. 1:40:14.320 --> 1:40:16.639 We didn't sleep again. 1:40:16.880 --> 1:40:18.640 You remember Prince was doing the song to day, so 1:40:18.680 --> 1:40:20.000 you got six songs on the record. 1:40:20.040 --> 1:40:21.040 That's six days. 1:40:21.240 --> 1:40:23.280 We had two studios going at the same time, so 1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:24.360 we had senses sound. 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:32.120 Yeah. I admire his especially in hearing that the output 1:40:32.160 --> 1:40:37.879 between eighty two and eighty seven, his kind of bull's 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:42.719 eye like ability to I mean, you know, when you again, 1:40:42.760 --> 1:40:45.640 when I'm you're younger, you just think that, oh, this 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:51.400 magically happens. But it's like the rareness of someone to 1:40:51.439 --> 1:40:55.519 write something effective. I mean, I gotta go through thirty 1:40:55.600 --> 1:40:58.280 songs before I think like one's half decent to use. 1:40:59.120 --> 1:41:00.400 This is someone that's just. 1:41:00.360 --> 1:41:04.519 Like, well, he really believed that every single song, every 1:41:04.560 --> 1:41:06.519 single song that he wrote, he believed was a hit. 1:41:07.479 --> 1:41:10.120 Well it wasn't, but he believed that, so he just 1:41:10.200 --> 1:41:13.080 kept writing. So it didn't stop him to go, well, 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:16.160 this is not a great song. So you know, but 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:18.519 again you're you're writing songs and it just kept going. 1:41:18.560 --> 1:41:21.200 In the archives, I mean, I think even. 1:41:21.040 --> 1:41:22.679 If they weren't singles. I mean, they were still. 1:41:22.520 --> 1:41:25.479 Great, so yeah, just the ideas. And some of them 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:27.519 weren't all great. I know some people are not gonna 1:41:27.520 --> 1:41:29.519 be having me saying it, but it's the truth. They 1:41:29.560 --> 1:41:34.120 weren't all great. Uh uh Nope. Some of the ones 1:41:34.280 --> 1:41:37.400 him and I recorded, just him and I that are 1:41:37.400 --> 1:41:38.679 in the vault about two hundred. 1:41:38.720 --> 1:41:40.559 Oh yeah, I can think of one that I didn't 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:48.280 really like. I'm sorry one friend. No, no, I'm one record. 1:41:48.400 --> 1:41:50.400 I wanted to get to that later though. 1:41:50.400 --> 1:41:53.880 Okay, no, but I mean he but that was so 1:41:54.200 --> 1:41:57.760 this is the incredible This man was an incredible songwriter, 1:41:57.880 --> 1:42:01.920 and he he never wanted sometimes he would but like 1:42:01.960 --> 1:42:04.040 he never wanted to use the same sound all the time. 1:42:04.080 --> 1:42:06.720 He would just experiment. There were no rules. And that's 1:42:06.720 --> 1:42:09.840 the thing is musicians tend to we put ourselves in 1:42:09.840 --> 1:42:12.840 the box, you know, and say, well, we need to 1:42:12.880 --> 1:42:14.880 mic the drum set this way. No, we don't. We 1:42:14.960 --> 1:42:17.280 need to use this mic because I heard that this 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:19.840 is the snare mic. Well you really don't, you know, 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:22.680 Well let me I used to kick drum mike and 1:42:22.720 --> 1:42:24.600 I'm gonna sing a lead vocal on it because it 1:42:24.640 --> 1:42:25.360 sounds different. 1:42:25.840 --> 1:42:29.040 You know, go ahead, Can I ask uh for the 1:42:29.080 --> 1:42:33.960 Sunset sound sessions doing that tenure? Do you remember what 1:42:34.080 --> 1:42:38.680 brand the drums were there? If I could get the 1:42:38.720 --> 1:42:40.960 answer to that, my life would be super complete. 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:42.960 Drum machine. 1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:46.120 No, no, no, no, I don't mean the Lend drum. Oh, I'm 1:42:46.120 --> 1:42:50.559 talking about you know, the occasional songs that you did 1:42:50.600 --> 1:42:52.599 cut that had live drums on them. 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:56.840 Oh, everything I used there was Yamaha okay, all right, 1:42:56.880 --> 1:43:03.840 the maple custom maple okay, that's and pisty symbols battle 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:09.719 right there, and pin stripe hands drum heads really yeah. 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:13.280 Pin stripes ye, not coated white? 1:43:13.600 --> 1:43:13.880 Uh huh? 1:43:14.880 --> 1:43:16.680 Why did you put for pin stripes? I mean did 1:43:16.680 --> 1:43:18.240 it matter to you? Was it just like, oh, it's. 1:43:18.120 --> 1:43:20.680 There, or was it like I changed I changed them 1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:22.960 out sometimes, but most of the time it was because 1:43:23.040 --> 1:43:25.840 it had a funk thing, you know, with the pin 1:43:25.920 --> 1:43:28.200 stripe and then sometimes putting a pillow inside the kick 1:43:28.280 --> 1:43:30.560 drum and then putting a little bit of tape or 1:43:30.600 --> 1:43:32.200 something on the snare is just tight. 1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:35.920 Even on the snare. It never occurred to me once 1:43:35.960 --> 1:43:37.120 to use the pin stripes there. 1:43:37.439 --> 1:43:41.320 Do you remember how they mike the len drum. 1:43:43.080 --> 1:43:43.479 You are. 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:48.800 For those that are scratching their heads at home. You 1:43:48.800 --> 1:43:49.600 can't really mind that. 1:43:51.560 --> 1:43:54.560 Actually that's not even fair to because a lot of 1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:56.400 people put things like that through an amp. 1:43:56.520 --> 1:43:58.200 And then kay, I was. 1:43:58.520 --> 1:44:00.840 That's what I want to get to to get I 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:04.599 know that the dryness of the line drum, the dryness 1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:09.439 of the line drum naked sounds very dry. How many 1:44:09.880 --> 1:44:14.000 do you know? What was the effects process of getting reverb? Yeah? 1:44:14.280 --> 1:44:20.960 Just this the sound like those patches. M you gotta 1:44:21.120 --> 1:44:24.120 please tell me. This is the closest. This is the closest. 1:44:24.640 --> 1:44:29.080 Remember that is like what what? 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:31.720 What reverb stuff? Did Prince use? 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:34.439 That's what I want to know. 1:44:35.520 --> 1:44:39.200 Other engineers as well? Have they told you? I mean 1:44:38.840 --> 1:44:45.200 for me, yes, Look we're talking about Susan. You talk. 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:48.080 You have to talk to Susan. I'm certain that she'll 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:52.720 reveal it. But but you've got just for the sake 1:44:52.800 --> 1:44:55.960 of that sound being preserved. 1:44:56.720 --> 1:44:59.360 And here's the other thing with the drummers, the line 1:44:59.439 --> 1:45:01.439 drum machines, because we have both of them, the big 1:45:01.479 --> 1:45:03.760 mon I call it the mothership, the big one and 1:45:03.800 --> 1:45:09.200 then the smaller one. But we had are the line 1:45:09.280 --> 1:45:11.759 drum machines modified, so we had a m B switches 1:45:11.800 --> 1:45:14.120 to do different stuff on the lim machines, which I 1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:14.599 still have. 1:45:15.160 --> 1:45:17.560 What customized modified? 1:45:18.439 --> 1:45:23.800 Do those have effects on them? Yeah? We got her. 1:45:25.120 --> 1:45:29.520 Must be in the Okay, so those claps, it's. 1:45:29.120 --> 1:45:30.759 Those Those claps are dope. 1:45:31.040 --> 1:45:36.960 Yes, yeah, how did you build those claps? Slowly? Sip water? 1:45:42.800 --> 1:45:43.320 You know I'm a. 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:53.479 Student, man, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding for the bus. 1:45:55.160 --> 1:45:57.200 Let me off the hook. She'll tell you. 1:45:57.160 --> 1:45:59.200 Offline maybe, yeah, I'll tell you offline. 1:45:59.520 --> 1:45:59.960 Seriously. 1:46:00.360 --> 1:46:01.800 Yeah, that's cool. 1:46:01.880 --> 1:46:03.760 That's just the head claps. That's the only thing I'll 1:46:03.800 --> 1:46:04.799 ask about the drums. 1:46:05.160 --> 1:46:08.680 She's gonna tell you that is the key. 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:11.559 To Yes, it is you want to give the secret 1:46:11.560 --> 1:46:17.400 to tell you. She's gonna tell you. Have you heard music? Yes, 1:46:17.439 --> 1:46:18.760 So she's gonna tell you. 1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:21.920 I use those same claps right now on my show, 1:46:22.439 --> 1:46:23.120 I should hope. 1:46:23.120 --> 1:46:27.160 So, like, those are very iconic, they are, but louder 1:46:27.200 --> 1:46:33.479 than hell claps. They can be achieved. Okay, I'm gonna 1:46:33.520 --> 1:46:36.759 get this from another I'm gonna get this from another angle. 1:46:41.479 --> 1:46:46.120 So when you're doing this live, which I know this 1:46:46.360 --> 1:46:55.000 is a a a nightmare, at least two duplicate to duplicate. 1:46:57.200 --> 1:46:59.800 How many drum machines are you guys taking on the 1:46:59.880 --> 1:47:01.760 room with you in case one breaks down or in 1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:06.280 case a button is missed, or me right now or 1:47:06.320 --> 1:47:10.400 before now before I'm talking pre pro tools, pre oh, 1:47:10.800 --> 1:47:13.040 you guys invented pro tools in my mind. 1:47:13.040 --> 1:47:16.519 We did? For real, we did. So what I did 1:47:16.680 --> 1:47:20.160 was I had a Yamaha drum set. I had eight 1:47:20.200 --> 1:47:23.960 ten twelve fourteen sixteen eighteen tom and I had two 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:26.800 twenty inch kick drums. I had a Piccolotle snare of 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:29.559 fourteen inch, and then I had a eight ten twelve 1:47:29.600 --> 1:47:34.559 fourteen sixteen eighteen crashes with a couple of splashes, a 1:47:34.720 --> 1:47:37.840 sixteen in, a fourteen inch pang, and a twenty inch 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:41.360 ride and a sixty inch right that real big one. 1:47:41.360 --> 1:47:44.960 I don't even know what size that thing is. And 1:47:45.680 --> 1:47:49.200 with each which, each tom that I had, I put 1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:53.640 triggers in the in each tom, so which so that 1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:55.920 I could trigger any sound that I wanted, not just 1:47:55.960 --> 1:47:59.439 on the snare, but on all the toms. Then I 1:47:59.479 --> 1:48:02.599 had switched is put on each tom that had an 1:48:02.600 --> 1:48:04.840 a switch and a be switched, so in case a 1:48:04.920 --> 1:48:07.680 trigger went out, I just click it and I'm not 1:48:07.720 --> 1:48:09.560 gonna lose anything. So I got my B plan. I 1:48:09.600 --> 1:48:10.759 always got to have a B planned. 1:48:11.080 --> 1:48:16.800 So the way that triggers are sensitive and the way 1:48:16.800 --> 1:48:21.320 that monitors are, your monitors really can't be that loud 1:48:21.479 --> 1:48:25.719 or have that much vibration because it might offset the triggers. 1:48:26.000 --> 1:48:29.479 Correct, yes, and no that we didn't have that problem? 1:48:29.560 --> 1:48:30.960 Would they modified that for me? 1:48:31.120 --> 1:48:34.000 And how loud were your monitors we're using in ears or. 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:37.440 We didn't have in ears? Then we have monitors. 1:48:38.840 --> 1:48:43.000 I tried triggering once again, I do something once and then. 1:48:42.840 --> 1:48:45.480 That you give up too easy? 1:48:45.720 --> 1:48:48.479 Well, no, it's just a nightmare because you know I 1:48:48.840 --> 1:48:50.840 at the time when I was using monitors before in 1:48:50.920 --> 1:48:53.559 the ears, anytime I my kick drum, it would set 1:48:53.560 --> 1:48:57.720 off the entire right. It was just a nightmare. And 1:48:57.800 --> 1:49:01.360 I know, like even with the way that Rob had 1:49:01.400 --> 1:49:05.680 those those lights going, oh yeah, surely like if like 1:49:05.800 --> 1:49:09.040 you must be bullseye and no to press like what 1:49:09.120 --> 1:49:11.160 have you missed the nineteen ninety nine Q to press 1:49:12.120 --> 1:49:13.040 button number eight? 1:49:13.360 --> 1:49:13.519 Right? 1:49:13.600 --> 1:49:13.760 No? 1:49:13.760 --> 1:49:16.120 No, no, I have. I had triggers on each drum and 1:49:16.120 --> 1:49:20.120 then I had pads. Uh it might have been a rolling. 1:49:20.200 --> 1:49:22.800 I don't know, it might have been Yamaha, but I 1:49:22.840 --> 1:49:25.599 had modules in a rack. Then I had a different 1:49:26.479 --> 1:49:30.680 trigger on my snare. And with the trigger, there was 1:49:30.720 --> 1:49:33.240 an on and off switch for the handclaps that I 1:49:33.280 --> 1:49:35.639 triggered all my snare. Those claps are on my snare, 1:49:36.360 --> 1:49:38.360 so I triggered. There's an on and off switch for that. 1:49:38.640 --> 1:49:41.240 Then there's an on and off switch for the Lend 1:49:41.320 --> 1:49:44.400 machine and everything that I just told you that I built. 1:49:44.560 --> 1:49:47.960 That my text built, but this is what I needed 1:49:48.040 --> 1:49:51.280 to make this happen. We built a duplicate one just 1:49:51.320 --> 1:49:53.200 in case that one went down. So then I had 1:49:53.240 --> 1:49:55.800 another switch that would then switch all the programs. Every 1:49:55.800 --> 1:49:58.080 time I went to the next song. They weren't switching, 1:49:58.120 --> 1:49:59.960 I was switching it. So I had like ten petal 1:50:00.240 --> 1:50:03.120 on the floor. One was off and on switched just 1:50:03.160 --> 1:50:06.400 for the snare to have hand claps or not. One 1:50:06.439 --> 1:50:10.640 was a switch to change all the programs. One is 1:50:10.680 --> 1:50:13.680 to turn the entire drum Lend drum machine off. And 1:50:13.720 --> 1:50:15.800 then I've got two double pedals because they didn't make 1:50:16.080 --> 1:50:19.519 a double pedal then, so I had two separate pedals, 1:50:20.600 --> 1:50:23.000 and I had the high hat. Yeah, there were so 1:50:23.040 --> 1:50:24.920 many pedals down there, and I was it was like 1:50:24.960 --> 1:50:26.639 me playing in the base organ Yeah. 1:50:26.720 --> 1:50:30.120 Yeah, it was so on, assuming that everything wasn't one 1:50:30.200 --> 1:50:34.320 hundred percent perfect. I mean, what's your panic level if 1:50:34.320 --> 1:50:37.360 something gives out like okay, it's time to do hot 1:50:37.439 --> 1:50:41.520 thing and you press the button and it doesn't start, well, 1:50:41.560 --> 1:50:44.680 you would naturally play it on drums. I'm behind it rhetical. 1:50:44.360 --> 1:50:47.400 Right, Well, that was the that was why we had 1:50:47.400 --> 1:50:50.040 a B plan. So if that machine didn't work or 1:50:50.080 --> 1:50:55.120 didn't trigger, they just automatically switched to the secondary entire 1:50:55.600 --> 1:50:57.880 rack of everything dramatically. 1:50:58.080 --> 1:51:01.720 For those that are listening right now, this might be 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:04.720 is this going over your head right now? I had 1:51:04.760 --> 1:51:07.439 a question a followed question. I'm not even the subject. 1:51:07.479 --> 1:51:08.800 I've already forgotten it. I just got it. 1:51:09.080 --> 1:51:10.120 Some people might not understand. 1:51:10.120 --> 1:51:12.639 I'm just saying that what she's describing to me right now, 1:51:12.760 --> 1:51:16.479 like I'm not breathing right now, because just. 1:51:16.800 --> 1:51:19.240 Sound like a lot of pedals breathed dog breathing. 1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:23.559 Just the level of I don't know if I can 1:51:23.560 --> 1:51:24.000 handle that. 1:51:25.080 --> 1:51:27.439 No, it was. It definitely was a lot. But that 1:51:27.680 --> 1:51:30.960 was what I came up with to do because I 1:51:31.120 --> 1:51:33.840 was his MD, and it's like I was there most 1:51:33.880 --> 1:51:36.400 of the time, just him and I as he recorded 1:51:36.479 --> 1:51:39.080 a lot of stuff, and it's not like we have 1:51:39.200 --> 1:51:41.559 pro tools. We had one hundred and fifty tracks, so 1:51:41.600 --> 1:51:44.200 we had twenty four tracks, and if we slaved another one, 1:51:44.240 --> 1:51:47.200 we'd have forty eight maybe. But you know, so where 1:51:47.200 --> 1:51:51.080 it says bass and he's playing bass, he just put 1:51:51.080 --> 1:51:53.600 another sound in the middle of something, and I'd have 1:51:53.680 --> 1:51:56.519 to grab that little sound for one or two bars 1:51:56.600 --> 1:51:59.680 or a phrase and take it and sample that so 1:51:59.720 --> 1:52:02.120 I can play it on the drums because it was 1:52:02.160 --> 1:52:04.000 on the bass track. But no one would know that 1:52:04.040 --> 1:52:06.720 because they weren't sitting there with him. Oh so I 1:52:06.840 --> 1:52:09.160 was punching him in like stuff that he couldn't punch 1:52:09.200 --> 1:52:12.280 himself in as far as playing guitar solos or lines 1:52:12.360 --> 1:52:14.439 or whatever. If he couldn't do it. I was his 1:52:14.560 --> 1:52:16.200 engineer for a lot of the stuff. 1:52:17.640 --> 1:52:20.200 So you would sample stuff from tape that he had 1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:23.840 played and then and then assign it to a drum 1:52:23.960 --> 1:52:27.200 and then play some other Wait a. 1:52:27.200 --> 1:52:30.639 Minute, even in overdubbing, he would play it on top 1:52:30.680 --> 1:52:37.120 of pre existing tracks because we didn't have I'm spitting 1:52:37.120 --> 1:52:38.120 out what you just told me. 1:52:38.320 --> 1:52:42.240 Yeah, So even if like there's a keyboard part that says, 1:52:42.360 --> 1:52:45.400 keyboards left and right, but at the same time he 1:52:45.439 --> 1:52:48.680 would just punch in some other weird sound instead of 1:52:48.680 --> 1:52:51.120 going through another track. He just punched it in the middle. 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:55.360 And there were tons of that throughout a song. So 1:52:55.400 --> 1:52:57.519 when you hear stuff coming in and out, it's because 1:52:57.520 --> 1:53:00.439 he punched it in there, and it's only to happen 1:53:00.520 --> 1:53:03.760 at that place, at that sound, and you'll never hear 1:53:03.800 --> 1:53:04.200 it again. 1:53:04.439 --> 1:53:10.840 Because it's my life's dream just to sit and analyze 1:53:10.960 --> 1:53:13.080 one of those tracks in the vault, just to see 1:53:13.080 --> 1:53:16.680 how things are mixed or just the other world. I mean, 1:53:16.680 --> 1:53:20.840 that's like Rubik's cube level of confusion, because I mean again, 1:53:21.720 --> 1:53:24.760 now we have technology and our computers that you can 1:53:25.200 --> 1:53:26.280 have a gazillion tracks. 1:53:26.280 --> 1:53:28.720 But yeah, I think what what she's saying he was 1:53:28.760 --> 1:53:31.320 doing was like when you run out of tracks, you 1:53:31.400 --> 1:53:32.960 have to go to a track that already has something 1:53:32.960 --> 1:53:35.160 on it and find a space where that thing isn't playing, 1:53:35.240 --> 1:53:36.919 like the pianos the universe. 1:53:37.800 --> 1:53:42.040 That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. 1:53:42.479 --> 1:53:43.880 He didn't have to not even go with. 1:53:43.840 --> 1:53:46.200 The Sempty track. We didn't have, we didn't believe in 1:53:46.200 --> 1:53:46.680 Simpty back. 1:53:46.840 --> 1:53:50.000 All right, you got if you're locking. 1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:52.240 Up the machine and I'm sorry, if we're getting two 1:53:52.240 --> 1:53:53.160 technical on something. 1:53:53.680 --> 1:53:56.560 This is what this shows. For This shows for nerds. 1:53:56.760 --> 1:54:01.440 Me up becoming Oh my god. 1:54:02.680 --> 1:54:04.160 Okay, So I have a question. 1:54:04.600 --> 1:54:06.360 So you were talking about the all the pedals and 1:54:06.400 --> 1:54:09.000 stuff and the triggers and all that. How forgiving was 1:54:09.040 --> 1:54:13.519 prince of technical screw ups? You know, if something went wrong, 1:54:13.840 --> 1:54:16.920 like did he get mad at you? Or who did 1:54:16.960 --> 1:54:19.240 he get mad if something if a lyn drun didn't 1:54:19.240 --> 1:54:21.120 get were impatient or impatient? 1:54:21.320 --> 1:54:21.519 Yeah? 1:54:21.600 --> 1:54:22.200 Absolutely? 1:54:22.520 --> 1:54:26.120 Like but like did he see did he see that 1:54:26.120 --> 1:54:27.240 as your fault? 1:54:28.760 --> 1:54:29.240 Uh? 1:54:30.560 --> 1:54:33.040 Like if it was, if it was if there's a short. 1:54:33.080 --> 1:54:35.240 Yeah, like if it was a bona fide technical like 1:54:35.320 --> 1:54:36.640 if something was wrong with the mission. 1:54:36.760 --> 1:54:39.040 He sometimes he would just say, whatever is going on, 1:54:39.320 --> 1:54:41.680 somebody fix it, walk out of the room and come 1:54:41.720 --> 1:54:45.600 back and hopefully it was fixed. Yeah, I see that. 1:54:46.440 --> 1:54:47.400 We're still not breathing. 1:54:49.600 --> 1:54:51.440 Yeah it was. I'm telling you. It was a lot 1:54:51.480 --> 1:54:53.760 for me. And then at the same time, not just 1:54:54.440 --> 1:54:57.880 you know, some of the times I had to press 1:54:57.960 --> 1:55:01.200 either the limb machine to stop on the end of 1:55:01.320 --> 1:55:03.360 before the down so I could hit the down with 1:55:03.400 --> 1:55:06.120 the kicked I mean I was, I know, you got 1:55:06.160 --> 1:55:08.640 to hit in all of this, but at the same 1:55:08.680 --> 1:55:11.120 time taking this uh you know, the collaps off where 1:55:11.120 --> 1:55:12.800 they needed to be in the middle of a phrase 1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:15.040 sometimes and it was always on the up while I'm 1:55:15.080 --> 1:55:17.080 still playing and singing. 1:55:16.880 --> 1:55:21.960 And doing choreography, and you're like, it's okay, superwoman, that's 1:55:22.000 --> 1:55:26.000 what's up. Yeah, she is a superwoman, super genius. 1:55:26.800 --> 1:55:28.400 So this is where I don't know if you're aware 1:55:28.400 --> 1:55:32.080 of this. So so there's a term speaking of black 1:55:32.120 --> 1:55:38.000 Messiah that that D and I always used, and well 1:55:38.160 --> 1:55:43.280 the term was Michael Angelo. Oh okay, So I don't 1:55:43.280 --> 1:55:45.880 know if I ever told you the story. So basically 1:55:47.240 --> 1:55:50.040 there was there was a law period in our relationship 1:55:50.040 --> 1:55:53.440 where you know, we didn't rap with each other for 1:55:53.480 --> 1:55:54.920 like a couple of years, and he was still working 1:55:54.920 --> 1:56:00.200 on this record. So we mended our relationship and I 1:56:00.240 --> 1:56:02.000 came back to the studio and he's like playing me 1:56:02.040 --> 1:56:04.160 cuts of what he's been working on so far, like 1:56:04.680 --> 1:56:10.320 all three of them, and by this no I'm playing 1:56:11.200 --> 1:56:14.640 by this time, like he'd got James Gatson to uh 1:56:14.880 --> 1:56:19.120 to drum on these joints, and I was sitting you know, 1:56:19.200 --> 1:56:21.200 part of me was like trying to be like encouraging, like, 1:56:21.240 --> 1:56:23.640 oh man, it's really funky, you know, because again it 1:56:23.720 --> 1:56:27.080 was incredible ass funk I was listening to uh, But 1:56:27.160 --> 1:56:29.960 in my mind I was on this. Yeah, in my mind, 1:56:29.960 --> 1:56:33.400 I was seven with rage, like damn, I'm not on 1:56:33.880 --> 1:56:38.120 this ship. And for me, in my head, I was like, damn. 1:56:39.280 --> 1:56:43.240 The only songs i'll I'll be able to play on 1:56:43.480 --> 1:56:49.160 are the Michael Angelo songs, which in di'angelo speak, because 1:56:49.200 --> 1:56:52.560 the way that Roman sixteen hundred is is sequenced, that 1:56:52.560 --> 1:56:55.840 would be Sheila's second solo. Yeah, for those that are listening, 1:57:00.320 --> 1:57:03.040 A love Bazzar is such a monstrous song the way 1:57:03.080 --> 1:57:05.840 that it's positioned on the album that there's really no 1:57:05.960 --> 1:57:10.040 way for me to separate and make Dear Michael Angelo 1:57:10.400 --> 1:57:14.120 its own song without thinking that Dear Michael Angelo is 1:57:14.200 --> 1:57:17.080 just a three minute movie preview to what's about to 1:57:17.080 --> 1:57:20.160 come around the corner, kind of like the first half 1:57:20.200 --> 1:57:24.400 of slimin Family Stone Stand like, okay, this, we know 1:57:24.440 --> 1:57:26.080 this part of song, but we know the part we're 1:57:26.080 --> 1:57:27.920 really waiting for is the last minute of the song 1:57:27.920 --> 1:57:32.760 where they start like funking out. And but whenever I 1:57:32.800 --> 1:57:38.600 sequenced the record, I always used Michael Angelo the lovelzart, 1:57:38.640 --> 1:57:41.080 like it's almost like an alley setup shot to the 1:57:41.120 --> 1:57:44.480 slam Dunk. And I thought, well, damn, I can't get 1:57:44.840 --> 1:57:49.400 Jimmy Gatzon off this record, but at least I can 1:57:49.720 --> 1:57:53.880 try to work on all the Michael Angelo's the setup songs. 1:57:54.080 --> 1:58:00.360 And so that's where the charade song on on Uh 1:58:00.920 --> 1:58:04.440 Black Messiah comes into play, Like that was our tribute 1:58:04.720 --> 1:58:09.000 to dear Michael Angelow because you know I was not 1:58:09.040 --> 1:58:13.200 on Sugar Daddy and Salty about that. 1:58:13.840 --> 1:58:14.080 Wow. 1:58:14.640 --> 1:58:17.880 But yeah, so that no, that that song means a 1:58:17.920 --> 1:58:20.440 lot to us. I don't know if you hear that often. 1:58:20.800 --> 1:58:24.120 I never, no, thank you, that's awesome. Wow. 1:58:24.520 --> 1:58:26.680 It's also hard to figure out where the one is 1:58:31.200 --> 1:58:35.200 in that. I gotta ask for toy box because I 1:58:35.240 --> 1:58:40.440 know that humor is a big part of the presentation. 1:58:41.320 --> 1:58:47.200 But how how how easier heard is it to do 1:58:49.320 --> 1:58:54.480 skits or that sort of thing like in front of 1:58:54.640 --> 1:58:57.280 like as you're recording it. I mean, it's one thing 1:58:57.320 --> 1:59:00.160 to hear and like, oh okay, by that point you 1:59:00.240 --> 1:59:03.000 used to the comedy skit or the comedy section of 1:59:03.520 --> 1:59:06.080 a certain song. But how hard is it to do 1:59:06.960 --> 1:59:10.600 like and and map and plan, because it's like you 1:59:10.640 --> 1:59:15.680 have to take a sixty four bar break to to 1:59:15.920 --> 1:59:18.400 insert this in the song, Like are you guys mapping 1:59:18.440 --> 1:59:20.280 it out one by one? Like all the lines of 1:59:20.360 --> 1:59:20.760 you're just. 1:59:20.960 --> 1:59:25.160 No, we're just going for it. Okay, yeah, just going 1:59:25.240 --> 1:59:25.480 for it. 1:59:25.840 --> 1:59:26.360 I see. 1:59:26.800 --> 1:59:29.520 So a lot of times it wasn't planned. We're just 1:59:29.560 --> 1:59:32.320 playing in whatever ended up happening, is what it was, 1:59:32.800 --> 1:59:33.160 and then. 1:59:33.080 --> 1:59:36.080 You built it around there yeah I see, yeah, okay, 1:59:36.440 --> 1:59:41.240 all right. And fourth for songs like Mercy. 1:59:41.280 --> 1:59:43.720 For the Mercy for the Speed of Mad Clown in 1:59:43.760 --> 1:59:44.360 the Summertime? 1:59:44.520 --> 1:59:48.600 Yes, how many? Is that a band effort? Like who's 1:59:48.600 --> 1:59:49.040 playing on? 1:59:49.120 --> 1:59:49.200 That? 1:59:49.320 --> 1:59:50.560 Is the whole band? 1:59:50.840 --> 1:59:51.240 Okay? 1:59:51.280 --> 1:59:55.320 That was recorded live like Love Bizarre was, And. 1:59:56.320 --> 1:59:59.480 Yeah, I'm trying to get everything else. So I want 1:59:59.480 --> 2:00:00.680 to get the crush groove right now. 2:00:01.840 --> 2:00:03.520 Tell you better hurry because I gotta go. 2:00:03.680 --> 2:00:06.360 I can you tell me where the pink jacket is though? 2:00:07.160 --> 2:00:07.800 In my closet? 2:00:07.840 --> 2:00:08.080 Okay? 2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:11.760 Thanks? 2:00:12.160 --> 2:00:15.200 Crush groove Bill? Do you oh? 2:00:15.320 --> 2:00:18.440 I thought, you know, helping you move along the crush groove? 2:00:18.560 --> 2:00:20.560 Oh okay, crush groove, Crush. 2:00:22.880 --> 2:00:28.000 So yeah, Michael, how did how did Michael Schultz choose you? At? 2:00:28.240 --> 2:00:28.840 Like were you. 2:00:29.280 --> 2:00:31.080 I was out on tour on Purple Rain. I have 2:00:31.240 --> 2:00:34.960 no idea. Management said at the end of Purple Rain, 2:00:35.280 --> 2:00:37.680 we had been out for a year or something, that's like, 2:00:37.720 --> 2:00:39.960 we want you to go to New York and audition 2:00:40.120 --> 2:00:45.000 for a part in the movie. And I'm like, what, okay. 2:00:45.600 --> 2:00:47.040 So they said, we just want to see if you 2:00:47.080 --> 2:00:52.839 have chemistry with this up and coming actor Blair. Okay. 2:00:53.640 --> 2:00:58.240 So of course I was exhausted. I had just cut 2:00:58.280 --> 2:01:00.480 my hair because we had been on tour. I was like, 2:01:00.680 --> 2:01:03.360 I'm so tired, but I'm going to come here and 2:01:03.400 --> 2:01:06.240 try it. I came here. I was stressed, and it's 2:01:06.320 --> 2:01:09.840 so dumb because I've seen it somewhere. I don't know. 2:01:10.560 --> 2:01:12.720 I think it was on YouTube or maybe it was 2:01:12.760 --> 2:01:15.160 in my archives of stuff that I have. But we 2:01:15.240 --> 2:01:24.160 did a what do you call it? Audition? I think 2:01:24.200 --> 2:01:26.800 I saw it there. If it's not, I have it. 2:01:27.200 --> 2:01:28.800 If not, I have it, But I thought it was 2:01:28.840 --> 2:01:31.680 on there. But if you see it in my profile 2:01:32.200 --> 2:01:36.600 because I was stressed out, this big pimples it was. 2:01:37.000 --> 2:01:39.600 It was a thumb growing out of my nose. It 2:01:39.640 --> 2:01:42.320 looked like and I was so nervous. That bothered me 2:01:42.400 --> 2:01:45.720 more trying to act like, please don't look at my 2:01:45.880 --> 2:01:49.839 nose while we're auditioning here. But anyway, we did the audition, 2:01:49.960 --> 2:01:52.360 it was fine, and they said we want you to 2:01:52.360 --> 2:01:55.040 come back, and so we kind of worked it out. 2:01:55.080 --> 2:01:59.080 And it was interesting still because in the middle of 2:01:59.120 --> 2:02:04.120 the filming of this, I quit, uh, And I usually 2:02:04.120 --> 2:02:05.360 don't quit, but I quit. 2:02:05.520 --> 2:02:06.240 You quit the movie. 2:02:06.360 --> 2:02:08.600 I quit the movie in the middle of filming. 2:02:08.720 --> 2:02:19.800 Yes, sir, wait sleeves, sleeves too much, too little, sleeves 2:02:20.240 --> 2:02:20.760 have haunted. 2:02:20.800 --> 2:02:23.280 How long did it take the film? 2:02:23.800 --> 2:02:27.320 I don't. I don't know. Four months, three months, I don't. 2:02:27.400 --> 2:02:28.760 It didn't seem like it was that long. 2:02:30.920 --> 2:02:33.720 Was it a is it fine? Memories of it like, 2:02:33.760 --> 2:02:36.720 oh the good old or was it just like whatever? Oh? 2:02:36.760 --> 2:02:40.880 No, it was messed up. It was totally messed up. Now. 2:02:41.480 --> 2:02:45.800 What happened was while we were filming it, Uh, I 2:02:45.840 --> 2:02:48.320 guess there was an East coast West coast thing happening. 2:02:48.400 --> 2:02:51.000 I didn't know anything about it, you know, because early Wow, 2:02:51.080 --> 2:02:53.880 I had been on I had been on tour, and 2:02:53.920 --> 2:02:56.800 I came in and it's just like, who's this West 2:02:56.840 --> 2:03:00.040 coast wanna be rapper coming in as what I was. 2:03:00.040 --> 2:03:01.320 Because the Bronx. 2:03:01.480 --> 2:03:03.120 Okay, yeah, because. 2:03:03.000 --> 2:03:05.360 I'm just saying that's how it went down. It's like, wait, 2:03:05.440 --> 2:03:07.840 what do you And I'm saying, what are you talking about? 2:03:07.840 --> 2:03:09.760 I don't even know what you're talking about. Well, we're 2:03:09.760 --> 2:03:12.400 here in New York and you're just wanna be rapper 2:03:12.400 --> 2:03:14.800 and I'm like, no, I'm a musician, you know. So 2:03:14.840 --> 2:03:17.600 a lot of them hadn't heard kind of is like. 2:03:17.720 --> 2:03:20.360 And then plus being out on tour, I came in 2:03:20.840 --> 2:03:23.440 with and again you would call it ontourage now, but 2:03:23.520 --> 2:03:26.360 I mean I had road manager and the wardrobe people 2:03:26.400 --> 2:03:29.040 and we were just on tours. So everyone came with 2:03:29.120 --> 2:03:31.640 me making sure everything was cool. And you know, I 2:03:31.800 --> 2:03:33.560 used to being on tour and wherever we go it's 2:03:33.600 --> 2:03:36.000 like wherever I laid my head is my home. So 2:03:36.120 --> 2:03:38.320 you know, like we're sitting in this room, you gotta 2:03:38.360 --> 2:03:42.440 have vibe, you know, lamps and you know, pictures. 2:03:42.640 --> 2:03:44.880 My family they'd never seen that before. 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:46.320 It seemed high end. 2:03:46.400 --> 2:03:49.400 The very I mean, you know, the fat boys were 2:03:49.400 --> 2:03:53.720 in the other room with some cafeteria chairs and a table, 2:03:54.240 --> 2:03:58.360 and I came in with the rug. I mean again, 2:03:58.400 --> 2:04:00.200 you talk about the writer. I mean it's like and 2:04:00.240 --> 2:04:02.680 I want a popcorn machine and I want to for 2:04:02.800 --> 2:04:05.680 real and they're like wait, and they peaked in my room, 2:04:05.800 --> 2:04:08.640 like what's the They were cool, but some of the 2:04:08.760 --> 2:04:13.040 other rappers were so mean to me. And and then 2:04:13.080 --> 2:04:16.120 not only that, the fans, not even the fans because 2:04:16.160 --> 2:04:19.680 they weren't my fans. The peep the extras in the movie. 2:04:19.760 --> 2:04:22.400 While we were shooting Love Bizarre. 2:04:23.000 --> 2:04:26.440 At the at the club, at the Funhouse or. 2:04:28.000 --> 2:04:32.000 Yes, at the Fever, Yeah, we're we're we're we're filming 2:04:32.000 --> 2:04:34.640 that part, and everyone's like, you know, yeah, kind of 2:04:34.640 --> 2:04:36.960 halfway moving and was like whatever, and I'm singing love 2:04:36.960 --> 2:04:40.640 Bazarre and then at the end they're supposed to go, yeah, yeah, 2:04:41.000 --> 2:04:44.280 you know she's they just stood there like there's nobody clap, 2:04:44.480 --> 2:04:47.160 and the extras nobody clap. 2:04:47.240 --> 2:04:50.880 You got new York New York is they were It 2:04:50.920 --> 2:04:51.360 was so many. 2:04:51.520 --> 2:04:54.840 They're protective and they're very caddy. 2:04:54.560 --> 2:04:57.560 And and yeah, so they just they had the directors 2:04:57.560 --> 2:04:59.440 had to say, wait, cut, hold on, do you guys 2:04:59.520 --> 2:05:02.440 know where shoot in the movie, Like for real, you 2:05:02.520 --> 2:05:05.640 guys got a clap We're shooting the movie. So anyway, 2:05:05.680 --> 2:05:06.600 it just got crazy. 2:05:07.080 --> 2:05:09.720 For the Holly Rock scene too, that was a. 2:05:09.640 --> 2:05:14.160 Little bit weird too, because actually I had prints come 2:05:14.200 --> 2:05:16.560 for that and so he was there. Yeah, he was 2:05:16.560 --> 2:05:18.040 there for that for a second. Yeah. 2:05:18.920 --> 2:05:22.440 Yeah, wow, I didn't know that it was. 2:05:23.520 --> 2:05:25.080 And then and then at the end when we were 2:05:25.080 --> 2:05:28.040 shooting the part where we were all dancing at the 2:05:28.120 --> 2:05:31.000 end of the movie. Yeah, at the end of the movie. Uh, 2:05:31.040 --> 2:05:33.640 it was kind of crazy because some of the other 2:05:33.720 --> 2:05:37.080 rappers were pushing us off the stage and everything and 2:05:37.160 --> 2:05:39.200 moving us out the way and it was just dumb. 2:05:39.760 --> 2:05:41.120 I'm like, they were just hating on us. 2:05:41.160 --> 2:05:44.280 And I was like, but that boys were nice, right, cool? 2:05:44.360 --> 2:05:45.080 What was on their ride? 2:05:45.200 --> 2:05:48.200 Damn? I feel bad for wearing this ll sweater? Now? 2:05:49.040 --> 2:05:51.400 Was cool? Was cool, I'm. 2:05:53.680 --> 2:05:53.720 In. 2:05:54.800 --> 2:05:57.080 But you know, in retrospect, now, I'm sure the next 2:05:57.120 --> 2:05:59.920 project they did, they upgraded their rider because they was like, oh, 2:06:00.120 --> 2:06:00.920 we can get this. 2:06:01.440 --> 2:06:05.520 I had no idea. Yeah, we go disorderly kill you. 2:06:05.600 --> 2:06:05.960 Yeah. 2:06:06.000 --> 2:06:06.200 Wow. 2:06:06.400 --> 2:06:10.120 Damn. I'm kind of disappointed that that wasn't a good 2:06:10.160 --> 2:06:13.000 filming experience because that film meant everything to us. 2:06:13.160 --> 2:06:15.880 Yeah. No, I mean I came back and you know, 2:06:16.160 --> 2:06:19.560 it was cool, but it was weird. I mean, and 2:06:19.600 --> 2:06:21.920 the other ones that were really mean to me who 2:06:21.960 --> 2:06:24.760 are well known people now and what they do and 2:06:24.800 --> 2:06:26.320 it's like, wow is their name? 2:06:26.400 --> 2:06:28.320 Ryan would fun p RB. 2:06:30.520 --> 2:06:33.120 No, I got that one. 2:06:33.440 --> 2:06:33.760 Us go. 2:06:36.480 --> 2:06:39.120 Cold. Curtis is cool now? He was? He was. He 2:06:39.280 --> 2:06:42.200 was really cool and he turned around to address everybody's like, 2:06:42.440 --> 2:06:44.520 come on, y'all, you know we're supposed to be shooting 2:06:44.520 --> 2:06:47.240 a movie. Come on, what you're doing? He was really cool. 2:06:47.760 --> 2:06:51.720 Well, yeah, for the greater good, I appreciate you doing 2:06:51.760 --> 2:06:52.200 that movie. 2:06:52.480 --> 2:06:54.800 I had. I had a good time. I mean, all 2:06:54.840 --> 2:06:55.640 in all, I had a good time. 2:06:55.760 --> 2:06:57.480 Was that your first East Coast West Coast situation? 2:06:57.520 --> 2:06:59.440 Because I not for nothing that I was always curious 2:06:59.440 --> 2:07:02.080 about the West Coast Latin jazz scene versus the East 2:07:02.120 --> 2:07:03.360 Coast Latin. 2:07:03.240 --> 2:07:05.200 Right, and then that was a whole other issue. Yeah, 2:07:05.240 --> 2:07:09.400 the Latin jazz and jazz and then salsa right the 2:07:09.440 --> 2:07:12.360 East Coast against the West Coast, big huge thing happening. 2:07:12.480 --> 2:07:15.480 Absolutely that was also a rival with the East Coast, 2:07:15.560 --> 2:07:19.600 said the West Coast US Latin jazz artists and musicians 2:07:19.600 --> 2:07:21.000 don't play as well as the East Coast. 2:07:21.040 --> 2:07:23.600 Plus it's different countries we're talking about too in situations 2:07:23.680 --> 2:07:24.160 and all. 2:07:24.080 --> 2:07:26.160 Kind of But I mean it's really it all goes 2:07:26.200 --> 2:07:29.160 back to this rhythm called the clave, and and in 2:07:29.440 --> 2:07:31.360 Layman's term is really like the two and the four 2:07:31.400 --> 2:07:34.560 where we clapping on the funk, but this is called 2:07:34.880 --> 2:07:38.120 the clave and that's their their their clock, and so 2:07:38.200 --> 2:07:41.280 it's how you play it. So yeah, so interesting. 2:07:41.400 --> 2:07:43.760 Okay, I'm trying to move past the purple period to 2:07:45.040 --> 2:07:51.360 your sex symbol post sex symbol period of your career 2:07:51.360 --> 2:07:54.480 where you're totally out of the folder left, Like what 2:07:54.560 --> 2:07:56.800 was what was it like to make the decision to 2:07:56.880 --> 2:08:02.480 really leave and explore music that you wanted to do 2:08:03.160 --> 2:08:07.080 without the tutelage of what you what you came to 2:08:07.160 --> 2:08:09.360 the world as, at least in our eyes, Like, what 2:08:09.440 --> 2:08:11.800 was that like for going to do Prince's Bid? Yeah? 2:08:12.240 --> 2:08:14.240 Well, I mean I after a while, it's like I 2:08:14.240 --> 2:08:16.120 didn't like the direction he was going in and I 2:08:16.120 --> 2:08:18.680 didn't like all the cursing, and I just the music 2:08:18.800 --> 2:08:21.160 was getting crazy, and I'm like, no, it does I'm 2:08:21.200 --> 2:08:23.600 not having fun. If I'm not having fun, you know, 2:08:23.840 --> 2:08:24.480 I need to leave. 2:08:24.720 --> 2:08:28.760 After we forget to ask, well, we did, but actually 2:08:28.800 --> 2:08:30.360 I just wanted to ask, did you have any problems 2:08:30.400 --> 2:08:31.760 with singing Scarlett Pussy? 2:08:32.400 --> 2:08:32.560 No? 2:08:32.840 --> 2:08:34.960 Okay, because I was wondering if that was if that 2:08:35.040 --> 2:08:36.200 might have been something that you. 2:08:36.200 --> 2:08:39.600 Know, kind of no, no, no, when I did that 2:08:39.600 --> 2:08:41.480 that was supposed to be on my record and it 2:08:41.520 --> 2:08:42.480 turned out so good. 2:08:42.640 --> 2:08:43.120 That's right. 2:08:43.200 --> 2:08:46.920 That's actually segue. I wanted to ask about the record 2:08:46.960 --> 2:08:49.640 that didn't come out. Yeah, can you tell me anything 2:08:49.680 --> 2:08:52.400 about the song three Nigs watching a Kung Fu Movie? 2:08:52.920 --> 2:08:54.760 Because that title has just been stuck in my head 2:08:54.800 --> 2:08:55.280 for forever. 2:08:55.680 --> 2:08:59.120 Prince called me when I was in Oakland and three 2:08:59.200 --> 2:09:02.280 Nigs United in West Yeah. 2:09:01.880 --> 2:09:03.320 That was on the Black album, but there was I 2:09:03.360 --> 2:09:04.640 guess a sequel that was coming on. 2:09:04.920 --> 2:09:06.680 Yeah, that was me. He called me, goes, I don't 2:09:06.720 --> 2:09:09.320 have a title for a song. I said, okay, Three 2:09:09.400 --> 2:09:12.960 Niggs United in Wiscompton or whatever it was, it goes, Okay, 2:09:12.960 --> 2:09:13.600 that sound good? 2:09:15.560 --> 2:09:18.640 Okay? It was so he literally made the Black Album 2:09:18.800 --> 2:09:21.919 just to have party music at your birthday celebration. 2:09:22.320 --> 2:09:25.520 That was yes and no. I mean we were we 2:09:25.560 --> 2:09:29.120 were recording you know, that music mostly at his house, 2:09:29.520 --> 2:09:32.360 in the studio at his house, and then one day 2:09:32.400 --> 2:09:35.320 he's just like, we can't let this go, we can't 2:09:35.440 --> 2:09:38.560 release him like it's the dopest record you are you 2:09:38.640 --> 2:09:41.120 kidding me? He just stopped the truck. No, we can't. 2:09:41.320 --> 2:09:44.120 And of course you know one of them trucks got 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:46.560 through or I don't know how many truck Yeah, a 2:09:46.640 --> 2:09:49.520 lot of people got the record anyway, Sure it did. Yes, 2:09:51.920 --> 2:09:54.080 how many you have? But yeah? Okay? 2:09:55.640 --> 2:09:58.640 But yeah, leaving it, I mean you felt more of 2:09:58.680 --> 2:10:00.240 a sense of independ. 2:10:00.960 --> 2:10:03.880 Well again, no, it's not that. It was more of 2:10:04.040 --> 2:10:08.160 I felt something was missing musically, and so something missing 2:10:08.200 --> 2:10:10.520 musically for me means well why am I doing it? 2:10:10.840 --> 2:10:14.680 That passion was dwindling away because I wasn't excited about 2:10:14.720 --> 2:10:17.280 showing up, you know and playing. It's like I don't 2:10:17.320 --> 2:10:21.320 like the direction. I don't like what's happening, So I 2:10:21.360 --> 2:10:22.160 said I got to leave. 2:10:22.600 --> 2:10:28.000 Well, this led her to something that we do really 2:10:28.000 --> 2:10:31.280 have in common. You were a late night band leader 2:10:31.320 --> 2:10:37.720 for the Magic Hour? How how how was that experience 2:10:37.840 --> 2:10:40.680 at least as a late night band leader? 2:10:40.760 --> 2:10:44.280 Like, it was actually pretty dope. I mean I was 2:10:44.360 --> 2:10:48.640 ready to do it. To me again, you're going to 2:10:48.640 --> 2:10:52.520 be a musical director for television. It's all about timing. 2:10:52.560 --> 2:10:55.120 So it's like it's to me, I thought it was 2:10:55.120 --> 2:10:57.320 a no brainer, and I just visualized what I needed 2:10:57.360 --> 2:11:00.320 to do. It's like, okay, what's common sense. It has 2:11:00.360 --> 2:11:04.920 to happen. And I was cool with it. So your 2:11:04.960 --> 2:11:07.280 brother too, I enjoyed it. Yeah. I brought my brother 2:11:07.320 --> 2:11:09.240 and my band and. 2:11:08.680 --> 2:11:10.800 Now he's because right, your brother was a music director 2:11:10.840 --> 2:11:11.800 for a TV show. 2:11:11.640 --> 2:11:16.040 As well, Martin Short and Wayne Brady. Yeah. 2:11:16.760 --> 2:11:21.800 Wait a minute, Peter, Mike Martin Short show. 2:11:22.000 --> 2:11:23.480 No no, no, not that one. 2:11:24.440 --> 2:11:29.280 You scared me. Peter Michael was under my no, my floor, 2:11:29.320 --> 2:11:30.680 and I didn't know about it. What the hell? 2:11:31.160 --> 2:11:31.240 No? 2:11:31.800 --> 2:11:36.520 Okay, but but I'm just gonna say the Magic Hour thing, 2:11:36.600 --> 2:11:39.920 I mean it was. It's interesting. It didn't last as long. 2:11:40.080 --> 2:11:43.480 I mean Magic have problems trying to, you know, figure 2:11:43.480 --> 2:11:46.240 out how to be a host. That's a hard gig. 2:11:46.640 --> 2:11:48.080 That's not easy at all. 2:11:49.720 --> 2:11:54.040 Have some troubles with that. This show. The first few 2:11:54.040 --> 2:11:57.160 episodes of kind of yeah, the first few, this is 2:11:57.160 --> 2:11:59.960 probably our first fifty episodes. This is probably are rough 2:12:00.040 --> 2:12:06.760 this episode right now, it is not okay, So I 2:12:06.840 --> 2:12:09.280 have I have two more questions. I'll let it go. 2:12:10.560 --> 2:12:15.720 The co Ed prop project, Well, that happened in the future. 2:12:16.440 --> 2:12:19.360 You want to explain what Coed is? Oh, chronicles of 2:12:19.400 --> 2:12:22.000 every dealer, Well, explain it to us. But what's the 2:12:22.000 --> 2:12:24.720 co ed prop co ed project? Well, let's let Sheila explain. 2:12:24.800 --> 2:12:26.480 Could you tell us what the co ed project is? 2:12:26.480 --> 2:12:35.360 Well, we got there, okay, Chronicles of every Dudy. Yeah, 2:12:35.480 --> 2:12:40.160 we were h me kat Dat Dyson who plays guitar, 2:12:40.280 --> 2:12:43.800 Ronda Smith who plays bass, and Cassandra who plays keyboards 2:12:43.880 --> 2:12:49.360 and uh Cassandra Neil and we would have different guest 2:12:49.480 --> 2:12:53.560 artists playing and performing with us. That was the idea. 2:12:53.560 --> 2:12:55.040 And let's just go out and play and put an 2:12:55.080 --> 2:12:57.520 all girls band together, which is something I always wanted 2:12:57.560 --> 2:13:00.840 to do anyway, So I don't know if we're going 2:13:00.880 --> 2:13:04.280 to do anything. I had to disband it because all 2:13:04.320 --> 2:13:07.680 the things that I didn't want it to be and 2:13:07.720 --> 2:13:10.960 how women should be supportive of each other and we 2:13:11.040 --> 2:13:13.240 get along and you know, write some good music. It 2:13:13.400 --> 2:13:15.720 just kind of got funky. It's like, this is what 2:13:15.760 --> 2:13:29.800 we said we weren't going to be so not that 2:13:30.040 --> 2:13:35.680 is so raw. No, it's no, it wasn't a devi thing. 2:13:35.720 --> 2:13:39.720 It's just really uh just not all on the same 2:13:39.760 --> 2:13:42.440 page of what we wanted to do musically. You know, 2:13:42.520 --> 2:13:44.360 we all we have to be on the same page. 2:13:44.760 --> 2:13:49.200 Okay, I lied, So there's two point five questions. No, 2:13:49.320 --> 2:13:54.800 because you are a band leader. How and I've heard 2:13:55.360 --> 2:13:59.360 maybe a rehearsal too, where you and LEVI maybe had 2:13:59.360 --> 2:14:02.560 some words. That's how nerdy we are here. 2:14:03.000 --> 2:14:04.960 Oh my god, rehearsal tape. 2:14:06.920 --> 2:14:12.600 We believe that. Yes, so you heard it too. No, 2:14:13.000 --> 2:14:15.400 But the thing is is that I was I was 2:14:15.560 --> 2:14:20.760 impressed that you won the kind of the debate or whatever. 2:14:20.840 --> 2:14:23.480 But how hard is it for you to put your 2:14:23.480 --> 2:14:28.560 foot down, plant your flag and really make people respect 2:14:28.600 --> 2:14:33.000 your gangster as far as you know, this is our plan. 2:14:33.960 --> 2:14:38.160 Because this leads to what you organized for the for 2:14:38.560 --> 2:14:42.120 the BT tribute, I know that must have been the 2:14:42.160 --> 2:14:43.960 hardest thing in the world for you to do. 2:14:44.200 --> 2:14:46.760 I just mostly, but just. 2:14:46.720 --> 2:14:50.640 From a technical aspect, for you to really take it there. 2:14:50.800 --> 2:14:53.040 I know that you had to draw the map, draw 2:14:53.040 --> 2:14:58.360 the blueprint, and execute it. How hard is it to 2:14:58.520 --> 2:15:01.360 band lead into to be the bad guy? To be 2:15:01.400 --> 2:15:03.160 a bandleader, You've got to be the bad guy, and 2:15:03.200 --> 2:15:06.800 I hate being the bad guy. I wouldn't be everyone's friend, right, So, 2:15:07.000 --> 2:15:09.240 how how hard is it to do it? 2:15:10.840 --> 2:15:13.000 Right now? It's not that hard. It wasn't that hard 2:15:13.000 --> 2:15:16.640 when we did the bet to put that together. I 2:15:16.720 --> 2:15:20.040 have such an amazing group of musicians and people around 2:15:20.080 --> 2:15:24.080 me that we love what we get to do. There's 2:15:24.160 --> 2:15:27.240 no drama anymore, and man, what a great place to be. 2:15:27.280 --> 2:15:30.280 I have to say, there's no drama. There's no arguments 2:15:30.320 --> 2:15:33.000 and stuff like that. It just doesn't really happen anymore. 2:15:33.120 --> 2:15:36.320 If it does, it's once in a great while, but 2:15:36.400 --> 2:15:40.840 hardly at all. And putting together the BET thing, you know, 2:15:42.920 --> 2:15:45.960 first trying to understand how I was going to do 2:15:46.000 --> 2:15:48.760 it and figure it out and then say, okay, then 2:15:48.800 --> 2:15:50.520 who can do this with me? I knew my band 2:15:50.600 --> 2:15:52.200 was going to do it, but who else was I 2:15:52.240 --> 2:15:54.440 going to bring into play? Well, some of the people 2:15:54.480 --> 2:15:57.320 I did ask were already booked for other things because 2:15:57.320 --> 2:16:00.000 it was the last minute. You know, this was unexpected 2:16:00.160 --> 2:16:03.600 first of all. And then you know, some people just 2:16:03.640 --> 2:16:06.880 said no, left me hanging like they didn't even call 2:16:06.920 --> 2:16:07.400 me back. 2:16:08.600 --> 2:16:12.480 But you got it's because it was the timing. It 2:16:12.520 --> 2:16:15.520 was no one knew you know what I mean, It 2:16:15.600 --> 2:16:17.680 was no, but it was a brave thing for you 2:16:17.760 --> 2:16:21.120 to to do. And I have to I don't know 2:16:21.120 --> 2:16:26.800 if I even texted you or after, but yeah, that was. 2:16:26.880 --> 2:16:28.320 That was a great job. 2:16:28.520 --> 2:16:29.760 Thank you, thank you. 2:16:30.600 --> 2:16:33.760 Okay, we're about to let it go. Do you have 2:16:33.760 --> 2:16:36.640 one last question? This is our last question. I swear 2:16:36.640 --> 2:16:37.160 you're gonna go. 2:16:37.840 --> 2:16:41.560 You've accomplished quite a bit as a musician, and I've 2:16:41.560 --> 2:16:43.480 been reading your book, The Beat of My Own Drum, 2:16:43.480 --> 2:16:46.600 which is in stores now, and you talk about how 2:16:46.640 --> 2:16:48.920 when you were a child you actually had some aspirations 2:16:48.959 --> 2:16:52.560 of being an astronaut and you were quite an athlete too. 2:16:54.480 --> 2:16:56.160 Which of those two do you think you would have gone, 2:16:56.480 --> 2:16:59.680 like gone into had music not worked out for you? 2:16:59.800 --> 2:17:02.520 Or oh definitely athlete? Yeah were you? 2:17:02.560 --> 2:17:04.800 I saw the Olympics and you had Olympic hopes? 2:17:05.280 --> 2:17:09.000 Oh yeah, absolutely. Mom's my mom is a tomboy, and 2:17:09.480 --> 2:17:11.920 all her brothers and their sisters, they would, you know, 2:17:12.000 --> 2:17:14.360 compete all the time. So all of them doing that, 2:17:14.480 --> 2:17:17.160 they just you know, I learned all of that from 2:17:17.520 --> 2:17:21.720 from my mom competing and being an athlete. She wanted 2:17:21.879 --> 2:17:24.280 to start her and her sisters wanted to start their 2:17:24.320 --> 2:17:28.520 own women's basketball team and baseball team. And so she's 2:17:28.680 --> 2:17:30.760 my mom's always like, you know, you can do whatever 2:17:30.760 --> 2:17:33.480 you want to do. And she's that person's like, don't 2:17:33.480 --> 2:17:36.160 tell me, I can't do something kind of person. So 2:17:37.040 --> 2:17:40.680 I wanted to be. I was in track and field, 2:17:41.120 --> 2:17:43.199 and I was breaking a lot of records in junior 2:17:43.280 --> 2:17:46.920 high and high school running track, and then also played 2:17:46.920 --> 2:17:51.840 on a women's soccer league team for five years undefeated. 2:17:51.879 --> 2:17:55.080 We were undefeated, and I h trophies for the most 2:17:55.120 --> 2:17:57.720 goals and stuff like. So you couldn't even catch me. 2:17:59.200 --> 2:18:01.400 I just couldn't catch to me. Just that was just 2:18:01.440 --> 2:18:01.960 how it was. 2:18:02.200 --> 2:18:03.000 Running with the night. 2:18:03.120 --> 2:18:12.560 Huh wow, I love it. Yeah, that's what I would have. 2:18:12.640 --> 2:18:14.640 I would have. I always tell you when it was 2:18:14.640 --> 2:18:18.279 like I wanted. I wanted to be the first girl 2:18:18.440 --> 2:18:21.600 on the moon and then astronaut, and the second thing 2:18:21.680 --> 2:18:24.240 was to win a gold medal in track and field 2:18:24.280 --> 2:18:26.640 and Olympics. But I got a gold record. I'm like, 2:18:26.680 --> 2:18:30.600 I'm cool with that, you know, I got something. Yeah, 2:18:30.680 --> 2:18:32.880 and been around the world. Yeah. 2:18:32.959 --> 2:18:35.600 You know, like when you're talking to someone and you're 2:18:35.600 --> 2:18:38.879 trying to keep the conversation going on, like you you 2:18:38.920 --> 2:18:42.120 hang up, you hang up, Okay, it's time to hang up. 2:18:42.959 --> 2:18:44.039 It's so funny because. 2:18:46.040 --> 2:18:49.520 Yeah, trust me, there's like nine more hours of technical 2:18:49.600 --> 2:18:51.879 questions I have about drumming and me but I. 2:18:51.800 --> 2:18:53.480 Know we can come I can come back, you can 2:18:53.480 --> 2:18:53.680 get to. 2:18:53.640 --> 2:18:54.600 Talk about gone country. 2:18:54.760 --> 2:18:57.320 What are y'all doing? And then we got like a 2:18:57.520 --> 2:18:59.520 para drum behind us. I don't know what we're doing tonight? 2:18:59.560 --> 2:19:04.800 Is you just you have no finess? Whatsoever? Do you 2:19:04.800 --> 2:19:05.320 you have. 2:19:05.520 --> 2:19:08.000 To get there before? She was like sleeping, you have 2:19:08.160 --> 2:19:10.440 zero to get this? 2:19:10.760 --> 2:19:13.760 Okay, no, no. 2:19:14.160 --> 2:19:16.280 I'm not passing the messages, see sending me over to. 2:19:16.480 --> 2:19:18.800 Okay, my bad, I'm sorry. We are communicators. 2:19:18.920 --> 2:19:23.760 Yes, you're right exactly. Anyway, I like probably say goodbye, Chilia, 2:19:23.840 --> 2:19:24.879 I thank you. 2:19:24.840 --> 2:19:29.120 Thank you for coming on left, don't forget to go 2:19:29.200 --> 2:19:30.400 buy Iconic. 2:19:30.400 --> 2:19:34.840 Yes, please by now. Yes it is available now okay, uh, 2:19:35.920 --> 2:19:37.800 sort of go off script with the show instead of 2:19:37.800 --> 2:19:41.200 playing our theme, Can we just have a thirty second 2:19:43.560 --> 2:19:46.560 dance on drama off? That's all went, thirty seconds? Dance 2:19:47.120 --> 2:19:48.400 thirty just the song. 2:19:49.920 --> 2:19:50.560 I'm shutting up? 2:19:50.600 --> 2:19:54.280 Can we shut our micaelf please chield for thirty seconds? 2:19:54.440 --> 2:19:59.039 Can we do this? Please do what? Yes? Can we 2:19:59.080 --> 2:20:01.600 have a dance on drum off for thirty seconds? 2:20:01.600 --> 2:20:03.120 What's a dance on drum off? 2:20:03.520 --> 2:20:06.960 You know? I love that you have such an illustrious 2:20:06.959 --> 2:20:09.879 history with drumming that you don't even remember your classic 2:20:10.240 --> 2:20:17.879 the dance on. Yes, it doesn't even have to be that. 2:20:18.280 --> 2:20:23.360 Just do that because the triggers it's the sound. Yes, 2:20:23.400 --> 2:20:26.040 I do. It's not going to sound the same. 2:20:26.600 --> 2:20:28.600 We don't need the glass breaking and all that stuff. 2:20:28.879 --> 2:20:33.320 Just for thirty seconds. All right, can we do this? 2:20:34.560 --> 2:20:35.600 Can you play it first? 2:20:35.800 --> 2:20:36.560 Sexual suicide? 2:20:36.600 --> 2:20:38.480 Can we do Can you play it first? Can you 2:20:38.520 --> 2:20:39.240 play it first? 2:20:39.440 --> 2:20:40.280 Yes, all right, let's go. 2:20:40.400 --> 2:20:42.600 Let's go, so everybody a mirror is going to go 2:20:42.720 --> 2:21:28.720 behind it right now. Thank you, good night, thank you. 2:21:29.360 --> 2:21:32.000 This has been an amazing episode of Quest Love Supreme 2:21:32.400 --> 2:21:36.320 on behalf of the entire Supreme team. I'll see you 2:21:36.320 --> 2:21:38.720 guys later and I'm gonna go die now. Thank you 2:21:38.800 --> 2:21:42.480 until next time. Good night. Quest Love Supreme is a 2:21:42.480 --> 2:21:46.480 production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the 2:21:46.520 --> 2:21:51.680 team at Pandora. 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