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Speaker 2: All right, we do it every few weeks, every couple

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Speaker 2: for about an hour. We'll chop it up. First things first,

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Speaker 2: my friend, all that stuff, So I was going to

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Speaker 2: start with this. I'm not a traditionalist. I didn't go

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Speaker 2: to church as a kid. I'm agnostic. I grew up rurally.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't in your classic suburb. My mom was British

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Speaker 2: especially ones with strong accents. And I've always been a.

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Speaker 3: Bit of a loaner.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not a traditionalist. I don't cling to stuff, right, okay.

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Speaker 2: And so when the PAC twelve, my favorite college football conference,

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Speaker 2: or the Seattle Sonics left, I had people that are like,

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Speaker 2: how are you not furious? And I said, with the

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Speaker 2: PAC twelve, USC gets thirty million dollars annually from the

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Speaker 2: PAC twelve TV deal. They're gonna get eighty five million

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Speaker 2: annually from the Big Ten. If I could tell you

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Speaker 2: you're gonna triple your income, do the exact same thing,

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Speaker 2: you'd take the job. You wouldn't be loyal to the

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Speaker 2: calendar or your boss. You take the job. So I

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Speaker 2: am not a traditionalist. And so I can think two

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Speaker 2: things at once. I can love something but move off

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Speaker 2: it instantly. And I think about this with the people

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Speaker 2: who bang on the NBA. The NBA load management drives

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Speaker 2: me fricking nuts. I think it's terrible business. I literally

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Speaker 2: have made decisions in the regular season. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: watch a game and I'm like, oh, Giannis isn't playing,

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Speaker 3: I literally moved correct. I do it all the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh Kd's not playing while I'm not watching

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Speaker 2: the Sun's game, So I always think, what about a

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Speaker 2: is okay to criticize the NBA for that, but no

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Speaker 2: that Amazon's going to pay him a fortune. NBC and

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Speaker 2: TNT are in a bidding war and they're gonna double

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Speaker 2: the revenue the league brings in. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: the playoffs have been absolutely riveting. Can't turn it off

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Speaker 2: a place electric. And then, by the way, this is

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Speaker 2: the first round. This is the round you can look pat.

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Speaker 2: So my take on I never mind people who are

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Speaker 3: It's just not great.

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Speaker 1: In January, well, and things there are the everything has

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Speaker 3: Yes that it is. Everything is.

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Speaker 1: The way the way a die hard fan of a

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Speaker 3: I fucking love it.

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Speaker 1: So everything about it is correct, and anyone criticizing it

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Speaker 1: Anyone that acts as if the NBA folks have like

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Speaker 1: it's It's obviously not true. Anybody though, acting as if

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Speaker 1: being intellectually dishonest, in my opinion. I I also, I

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell I'm gonna do a Colin

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Speaker 1: a story. It'll get there. So a guy who you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Connorshell so you know, the he you know

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Speaker 1: helped start thirty for thirties. Now he runs a company

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Speaker 1: of his own. Oddly, his father and my mom worked

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Speaker 1: as a little kid, what it was described to me

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Speaker 1: like when Sprint came out with a new phone, his

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like long long term thinking. And I think the NBA

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Speaker 1: needed someone in that role eighteen months ago to say, guys,

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Speaker 1: here is all of NBA history and ages of guys

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Speaker 1: on their last playoff run. Are is it on the

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Speaker 1: take a short term regular season ratings hit by featuring

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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City Thunder, the Minnesota Timberwolves, these teams to

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Speaker 1: prime the audience that this is where our league's going.

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Speaker 1: see a ratings dip. It won't affect the new TV

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Speaker 1: contract all of that, But because the audience doesn't know

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Speaker 1: this is their league now, Colin, if the Bucks lose

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Speaker 1: this series, they're down three to two. And if the

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Speaker 1: Clippers lose this series, yeah, the oldest star player left

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs Lucas No, not Luca, Kyrie is Kyrie

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Speaker 1: are all old guys. They're on the I think gonna lose.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers are already out, the Warriors didn't make it,

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Speaker 1: like this is a massive storming of the gates of

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Speaker 1: the twenty somethings. But everyone should have expected it. When

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant's last playoff game ever, he was thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was thirty five, Like the guys don't play

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Speaker 1: Durant and Kawhi and Paul George are gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: Nobody else is gonna do it. Stephan already exceeded age expectations.

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Speaker 1: So I think the NBA made a mistake there. I

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Speaker 1: also think my favorite two months of the year are

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Speaker 1: of the year of the NBA playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree. Last weekend, the draft of the

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Speaker 2: NBA playoffs is the best non NFL weekend of the

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Speaker 4: I thought it was.

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Speaker 2: I was just draft playoffs, drafts so good.

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Speaker 3: It was so good. No, you know.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is the one thing about the NBA.

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Speaker 2: I know leagues wish it was true, but it's not.

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Speaker 2: There's been this sense that, you know, market size doesn't

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Speaker 2: New Orleans, right, just like a guy in Boise can

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Speaker 2: a deal with McDonald's like to produce their French fries,

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Speaker 4: That's a guy.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I thought you were making that up.

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Speaker 1: That's actually a guy, a guy forget McDonald's contract or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Richest guy Boise was richer and the richest guy in

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Speaker 2: So but I'll push back on markets do matter. First,

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Speaker 2: the players do want to play in your Miami's, your LA's.

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Speaker 2: It's a winter league. There's a history. Players don't choose Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: The second thing, I'm going to go back to the

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Speaker 3: And posters on it.

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Speaker 2: And Elmore Smith was a six ' nine Lakers center

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Speaker 2: and I started putting sports stuff up. I remember Elmore

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Speaker 2: it was overtime, and he was a Lakers center back

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Speaker 2: when the Lakers like pre Wilt and pre all this.

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Speaker 1: been post Wilt, pre Yeah, go ahead, It was like

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Doctor J New Jersey in the ABA,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it was Jerry West, La Jerry, and Wilt.

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Speaker 2: It was old Wilt, and then it was Doctor J.

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Speaker 3: How awful are Brooklyn Nets fans? You had?

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Speaker 1: You had Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, James Harden, No One cared.

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Speaker 2: People don't need bad games. You can see it. So

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Speaker 3: It just makes the most sense.

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Speaker 2: And I think what you said is the NBA didn't

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Speaker 2: do this, the NFS doing it. Here's the next potential

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Speaker 2: star meet them.

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Speaker 3: Right over the next they did with the Lions last year.

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Speaker 1: They told America the Lions hadn't even made the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: They told America, you need to take this team seriously,

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Speaker 1: like this is a right, and they ended up winning.

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Speaker 1: It was an electric game and all of it so

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Speaker 1: one of.

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Speaker 2: My favorite things to do. I don't think I'm a contrarian,

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Speaker 2: but I think what I am, and this is probably

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Speaker 2: not a good quality. I'm a bit of a cynic.

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Speaker 2: I'm agnostic. I'm not real religious. Prove it to me.

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Speaker 2: I want data, but I don't go off into the weeds.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But one of the things

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Speaker 2: I hear all the time, and I just I really

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Speaker 2: led with it today and I just felt so strongly

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Speaker 2: about it. It probably shouldn't have been in my opening block,

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Speaker 2: but I felt strongly about it. Is there's this thing

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Speaker 2: out there. I'm a big believer. You have to take

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Speaker 2: big swings in life if you're confident in yourself, because

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Speaker 2: a if it lands, it changes your life. And if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't, yeah, your refinancier, mortgage. You figure out, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you if you make a big if you miss

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Speaker 2: on something, if you really have confidence in your intellect,

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Speaker 2: your stability, and your ascension as a human being.

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Speaker 3: You're fine.

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Speaker 2: So there's always this talk about oh, dead cap, that

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Speaker 2: dead cap money is a killer. The Rams were eighty

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Speaker 2: million over the cap last year and made the playoffs

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Speaker 2: and were a bad call on Puka Nakua from making

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Speaker 2: the NFC Championship. Why mcvay's great Stafford's Great Tom Brady

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Speaker 2: was a thirty five million dollar dead kip, dead cap

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Speaker 2: hit for the Bucks last year they made the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers was a forty million dollar dead cap hit

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Speaker 2: for the Packers. They routed the Cowboys and gave the

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Speaker 2: Niners a real battle on the way to the NFC Championship.

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Speaker 2: Heala twenty twenty one. The Carson Wentz contract, Ooh, how punitive. No,

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Speaker 2: Now they've drafted Jalen Hurts and they've been just fine.

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Speaker 2: Is that there's this myth? Oh the Kirk Cousins contract.

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Speaker 2: If Bo Knicks can play, Denver's fine, They're absolutely fine,

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Speaker 2: because they.

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson contract right now. So you look at it, you.

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Speaker 2: Go, oh my god, if Bo Knicks can play, he's

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Speaker 2: essentially free for four years, and I think he will work.

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Speaker 2: He completed seventy seven percent of his college passes against

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Speaker 2: like the best PAC twelve has been in my lifetime.

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Speaker 2: So my point is there are and I say this

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Speaker 2: at Landa. That's why I defended Atlanta. Atlanta said. What

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Speaker 2: you don't want to be is last year the Vikings

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Speaker 2: had to make a trade to get Josh Dobbs. Atlanta's

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Speaker 2: going listen Ritter was terrible. Cousins is the best on

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Speaker 2: the market. At eight, we think we can get a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: but we don't know. And by the time they got

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Speaker 2: to eight, they did get calls from other people and

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Speaker 2: they thought, screw it. What if What if Kirk comes

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Speaker 2: back and he's okay? And by Thanksgiving we're like, Pennix

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Speaker 2: is way better in practice. So my take was it

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Speaker 2: is viewed as terrible, but it's a heavily weighted contract early.

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Speaker 2: If you had to move off Kirk after a year

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Speaker 2: and Pennix is great, that's the That's like rich people

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Speaker 2: complaining about taxes. That is the best problem to have

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Speaker 2: in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Well, so, okay, so I understand what you're saying, but

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Speaker 1: I actually don't. I think that what you said at

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Speaker 1: the beginning is the opposite of what they did. I

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Speaker 1: don't look at this as a big swing. I look

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Speaker 1: at this as the ultimate hedge. I look at this

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Speaker 1: as a team that post Matt Ryan has been in

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Speaker 1: quarterback hell and said never again, never again. And instead of,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, giving yourself the best chance to be great,

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Speaker 1: you lowered your ceiling because you wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: the floor didn't bottom out. Because to use both you

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Speaker 1: had two massive assets, your cap space and the eighth pick.

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Speaker 3: They used them both on the same spot where only

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Speaker 3: one guy can play.

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Speaker 1: So if you really and I don't think, here's the

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Speaker 1: other thing, because I am a bit of a contract

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Speaker 1: nerd as far as the fact that they structured Kirk's

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Speaker 1: contract the way they did, where instead of guaranteeing the salary,

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Speaker 1: they put it in signing bonus. You could have given

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Speaker 1: him the same amount of guaranteed money but made it

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Speaker 1: easier to trade him in a year, and they gave

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Speaker 1: him a fucking no trade clause. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: when they signed him seven weeks ago they thought they

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Speaker 1: were drafting the quarterback. And if you really had the

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Speaker 1: courage of your convictions in Penix now maybe you're worried

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be there. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people thought Panis wasn't going to be

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Speaker 1: there at eight. Then use that money to make the

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Speaker 1: rest of your team better. I just I think Atlanta

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Speaker 1: was so scared by Desmond Ritter that they're like, we're

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Speaker 1: never going through that again the volume.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to part one of the conversations with Nick.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget the check back for part two.