1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, here's Chuck this week on a Saturday with 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: a pretty relevant topic these days. Who knew that it 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: would be relevant again? And this is from June nineteenth, 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, How the Pill changed the world. I think 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: you know what pill we're talking about. Welcome to Stuff 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's the ghost of Jerry 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: Roland in the empty chair. Thanks again about this, Thanks 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: again to Ramsey. 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Ramsey. 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: How do I feel about this? I feel great? The 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: pill is it has everything? This might be I just 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: love this episode already. 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: I do too, But I kind of like when we 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: did the female puberty episode. I just feel nervous. This 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: can be fine explaining female reproduction. I just I don't know. 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: Hey, man, we're just we're just explaining stuff. 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: I know, I know. 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: It's not like we're We're just we're just explaining stuff. 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: Just be cool, all right. So let's talk the pill. 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the opposite of having kids. 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: The pharmaceutical so famous that it's called the pill. 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: It is there. I read this New Yorker article about 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: a book on the birth of the pill, and now 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: I'm talking about it, so everything comes full circle. And 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: they were saying, like, there's like, you don't call anything 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: else the pill, Like viagra is not the pill. Antibiotics 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: isn't the pill. You don't call it the vacuum or 30 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: the meat grinder, right, Like, there's there's really nothing like that. Yeah, 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: nothing compares to it. And it's it's for good reason. 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: I mean, the pill is monumentally huge as far as 33 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: pharmaceuticals and medicine goes. I mean on the scale of 34 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: antibiotics easily. 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's the very first medication that was 36 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: designed for a non therapeutic purpose too. Yes, very interesting. 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: And so it's really difficult to over to overstate how 38 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: much of an impact the pill had when they released 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: it in I think nineteen sixties, when. 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: It came history first. 41 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's right, let's do that. So let me set 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: the stage for you. 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Please, Oh, you're bringing a catch out. 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: Back in back in the day. I'm going to do 45 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: my Charles Nelson Riley one man Show impression. Back in 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: the day, if you were a woman and you didn't 47 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: want to get pregnant, you had to coordinate with your 48 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: husband that he wear a condom, okay, sure, or boyfriend, Well, 49 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: that's like a whole other kettle of fish at this time. Yeah, supposedly, 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: and socially that went on all the time. There's plenty 51 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: of premarital sex, but socially speaking, only single men were 52 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: allowed to have premarital sex, which is like, who are 53 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: they having premarital sex with? Then, right, if they're the 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: only ones allowed to have premarital sex, considering, considering everyone 55 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: refused to officially recognize homosexuality even existed. 56 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know where you get. 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a lot of double standards, a lot 58 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: of repression going on. But if you were if you 59 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: were a woman and you wanted to have sex, so 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: whether it was with the guy you were having sex 61 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: with or your husband, you you basically had to say 62 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: you got to wear a condom. And if you said no, 63 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: well you were sol one way or another, either you 64 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: weren't having sex or you're going to have sex without 65 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: a condom. And if that happened, there was a really 66 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: good chance that you were going to end up getting 67 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: pregnant just from having sex. 68 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the ball was entirely in the man's court, and 69 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: women did not have much say in the matter. 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: No, they didn't. There were a couple of things on 71 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: the market. So before the Industrial Revolution, there were like 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: folk remedies where you could use herbs and stuff like that. 73 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: Basically I think they're called herbal douches where you're just 74 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: like squeezing stuff in there and like hoping for the best. 75 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: Right. 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: And then by the depression there's something there's a whole 77 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: line of stuff called gynecological aids or feminine hygiene, I 78 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: think is what it's called. And some of them worked, 79 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: some of them kind of worked, some of them didn't work. 80 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: Some of them worked but would kill you or give 81 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: you chemical burns. There was a lot of problems, so 82 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: you didn't have a lot of options, right. And then 83 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: along with the fact that you actually didn't have that 84 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: many options socially, in nineteen fifty, thirty States and the 85 00:04:53,720 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: federal government said you can't have anything that can used 86 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: as a contraceptive and you can't even learn about it 87 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: from your doctor from school. Yeah, thirty states in the 88 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: federal government. This is nineteen fifty. Ten years later, the 89 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: pill comes out, and a couple of years after that, 90 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: five million American women are using it as a contraception, 91 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: and now it was in their hands. They had the 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: ability to decide for themselves whether sex late to pregnancy 93 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: or not. 94 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 1: Well, and sort of even then, because not all states 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: allowed it and not all doctors would give it out, 96 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: so it wasn't like, oh, the FDA said it's good 97 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: to go, so we can all get it. It was 98 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: still a fight. Yeah, for years and years of decades, 99 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: it really was. So I guess we should start with 100 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: a woman named Margaret Sanger. She is a very controversial figure, 101 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: founder of Planned parenthood. She's a nurse, and she wrote 102 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen twelve about a magic pill that could prevent conception. 103 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, just a theoretical hypothetical pill. 104 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: Right, And she's controversial for many reasons, not the leastes 105 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: which is her she was anti abortion. Kind of when 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: she was most famous, she was anti abortion and kind 107 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: of went all in on the pill and was like, 108 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: this is the way to do it, is to prevent 109 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: the pregnancy once you're pregnant. 110 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: Sorry, wow, gotcha. 111 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: And then you know there's the whole eugenics thing. We 112 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: should do a podcast on her, probably at some point 113 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: we should, because that's a rabbit hole right there. 114 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but she was the early champion of it. 115 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: She was she coined the term birth control, and I 116 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: think nineteen twelve as well. 117 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so in nineteen fourteen she started a newsletter called 118 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: The Woman Rebel. That's where birth control was first typed 119 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: out and distributed the words like you said. And then 120 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties some breakthroughs happen in science where 121 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: they were able to identify a progesterone an estrogen and 122 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: realized kind of how it all worked. 123 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so at first they were looking at this stuff 124 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: as our fertility drugs, and then they noticed that it 125 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: actually could suppress fertility. And as they were I think 126 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: this is in the forties when they were really starting 127 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: in earnest or is it the twenties. 128 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: Well, I mean they were synthesizing it from animals, and 129 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: it was in early nineteen forty one. 130 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: I don't think they were even synthesizing. I think they 131 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: were extracting it. And then that's what you got in 132 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: your pill, was animal hormones. 133 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: Well, it says synthesize for animals, so maybe it was 134 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: a process, gotcha. But eventually in nineteen forty one, doctor Marker, 135 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: doctor Russell Marker, I just said it. Like James Bond. 136 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: For some reason, he discovered how to synthesize the synthetic 137 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: form of progesterone, which is called progestin, and that really 138 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: this is from wild yams, believe it or not. So 139 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: he did that and that changed everything. It did. 140 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: It made it cheaper, it made it easier to obtain. 141 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: You could research all of a sudden, right, yeah. 142 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: But you still couldn't really research, right because there were 143 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: laws on even doing research on birth control. So the 144 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: people who were doing this, it started out as Margaret Sanger. 145 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: She hooked up with a doctor named Pinkus and Gregory Pinkis, 146 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 2: who was a biologist, and he was interested in coming 147 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: up with birth control as well. Mary McCormick was there 148 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: for Saint Mary Catherine Catherine McCormick. 149 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: Of the McCormick I guesses. 150 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: Okay, So she lent a tremendous amount of her wealth 151 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: to this research. And then a guy named John Rock 152 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: who was a doctor who was also working on a 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: birth control pill. They all joined forces in the nineteen 154 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: fifties and started working on this really hard. But they 155 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: had a lot of roadblocks up against them, and they 156 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: cut a lot of corn and getting this thing out 157 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: into market. 158 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, like going to Puerto Rico too, because they had 159 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: to for trials. 160 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: Right, and so this is not like Puerto Rico was like, 161 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: we don't want this, but you're forcing it on us. Anyway, 162 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Puerto Rico had the exact opposite attitudes toward birth control 163 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: that the United States did at the time. Yeah, so 164 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: it was a good place to do it. They just 165 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: didn't inform anybody what was going on with this, that 166 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: this was a clinical trial. They just gave them some 167 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: pills and said, do you take these, it'll keep you 168 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: from getting pregnant. 169 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, which they kind of came about by accident. Some 170 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: of the pills were contaminated with estrogen, and they used 171 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: that in scare quotes, I guess, just because what they 172 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: really mean is mixed by accident, and that reduced a 173 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: lot of the side effects, because that was one of 174 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: the big problems at first and continued to be for 175 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: a while, and eventually they landed on a drug company 176 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: called Cyril. There were two competing ones, and the other 177 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: one was Syntex and Cyril. So you pronounce it cerrel cerrel. 178 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: That's what I'm going with s E A R L E. Cyril, 179 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: I want to hear you say zerol. 180 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: They finally came up with they thought was the right formulation, 181 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: and in nineteen sixty two, Syntex came out with their 182 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: version and then pretty soon it was being marketed and 183 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: distributed after FDA approval in nineteen sixty one. 184 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, So Cyril was the one who hooked up 185 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: with Sangler and Rock. Yeah, and they were the ones 186 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: who provided the pills for the clinical trial in Puerto Rico. 187 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: There was also a clinical trial in at a women's 188 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: mental asylum in Massachusetts, and the patients there didn't have 189 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: any informed consent. And when they released this formula, first 190 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: it was for guid ecological disorders things like ovari insists. 191 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: They knew it could be used to treat that, and 192 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: Cyril at the time was like it. They had no 193 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: expectations for this whatsoever. Yeah, and then within a year 194 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: there were half a million women in America who were 195 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: suddenly using this for gynecological problems, and Cyrel figured out, well, no, 196 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 2: they're actually using it for contraception. And so when they 197 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: went and saw it FDA approval and got it, that 198 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: was when the floodgates opened, like there was now a 199 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: pill on the market that could prevent contraception that was 200 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: the woman's to take, and all of a sudden there 201 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: was the first year there was one point two million 202 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: American women on the pill, and Cyril at first thought, 203 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: they're not going to want this. Women aren't going to 204 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: want to take a pill every day to keep from 205 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: getting pregnant. But they couldn't even finish the name pregnant 206 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: for like the pills were being grabbed from their hands. Yes, 207 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, it was a huge deal. 208 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: It was. And then these pills were not very safe. 209 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: That's the upshot of this. The estrogen. There was way 210 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: too much estrogen. It was dangerous, it was causing cancer. 211 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: And in nineteen sixty nine very famous book came out 212 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: called The Doctor's Case Against the Pill, written by a 213 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: medical journalist named Barbara Seaman, and she got together with 214 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of doctors and researchers and women and made 215 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: a case against the pill that it wasn't safe. There 216 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: was a senator named Gaylord Nelson who read the book, 217 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: took on birth control in Senate hearings, and in January 218 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,359 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy in the Senate chamber. There was this testimony 219 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: about the pill going on, of course run only by men, 220 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: all the witnesses with only men testifying providing witness testimony. 221 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: But there was a woman there named Alice Wolfson and 222 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: her group, the DC Women's Liberation Group. They were sitting 223 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: there just getting more and more steamed. 224 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, in these hearings at this time, these series were 225 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: kind of under the radar right until Alice Wolfson, Like 226 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: the bluide. 227 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: Span wasn't a thing yet, So they were just getting 228 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: more and more steamed watching all these men get up 229 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: there and talking about women's reproductive health. 230 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: And but not only that, they were also these people 231 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: were talking about how how dangerous the side effects were 232 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: with the pill, sure hypertension, blood clots, heart attacks, high 233 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: blood pressure, stroke, all of these things. And these the 234 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: women in the DC Women's lib Movement and including Alice Wilson, 235 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: were like, We've never heard this before in our lives. 236 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: How did our doctors not tell us this? 237 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: Well, that was the backstory, is that that none of 238 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: the doctors were sharing this information because they were getting 239 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: and it's you know, I think there's always been a 240 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: problem not across the board, but with doctors and pharmaceutical 241 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: companies right, pushing certain drugs over others. 242 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: But even but at the time it was way worse 243 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: it is now, like there was an disclosure. Yeah, there was. 244 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: There was a mentality among doctors, male doctors who who 245 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: believed that if you a woman was better off not 246 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 2: knowing you didn't want to get her all upset giving 247 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: her all the information didn't have side effects listed, right, 248 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 2: and if you did tell her, you ran the risks. 249 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: Since women were so suggestible, she might develop a stroke 250 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: just by thinking about it so much, so it was 251 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: better off just not telling her about it. Yet that 252 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: was the entire medical establishment at the time, and so 253 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: the pill went from this feminist icon in the sixties 254 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: to buy nineteen seventy, becoming an icon for white male patriarchy. 255 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: Medical patriarchy and how patients informed consent was a paramount 256 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: issue now and it just took on this other. 257 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: Role well, and informed consent was literally born. That day. 258 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: At that hearing, they finally heard an expert say estrogen 259 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: is to cancer, what fertilizer is deweed? And Alice Wolfson 260 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: stood up and started screaming. She was screaming, why are 261 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: you using women as guinea pigs. Why are you letting 262 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: drug companies murderers for profit and convenience? And it got 263 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: a lot of media attention, and really the aftermath of 264 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: those hearings is when this consumer health movement started and 265 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: they started in formed consent, they started having to list 266 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: side effects on bottles, and you know, it wasn't an 267 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: overnight thing, but it really changed the pharmaceutical industry forever. 268 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: Right, So the pill managed to accept this I guess iconography, right, 269 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: It became a symbol for this other thing, but still 270 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: managed to keep on keeping on. Like I think, so 271 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: eighty seven percent of women between eighteen and forty nine 272 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: in the US followed those hearings. Once Alice Wolfson and 273 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: the DC Women's Lib Movement made it a national thing, 274 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: and I think eighteen percent of them stopped taking the 275 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: pill as a result. But the pill didn't fall out 276 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: of popularity. It stood in as the as the icon 277 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: for informed consent, and then just after that was established, 278 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: it just went back to being the pill. I think 279 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: that's amazing. It is because it was this huge thing 280 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty for one thing, huge thing in nineteen 281 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: seventy for another thing, and now it's it's it's part 282 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: of the cultural zeitgeist forever. 283 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: Should we take a break, Yes, all right, we're going 284 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: to take a break. We're all excited about history, and 285 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: now we're going to get into science. Hey, let's talk 286 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: minstrel cycles. All right, let's man, because that's all that's 287 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: going on here is the pill manipulates the menstrual cycle 288 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: by tricking the body with synthetic hormones. 289 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it tricks the body into thinking it's already released 290 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: an egg. 291 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: It's pretty brilliant, it is. 292 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: It is, But it's also kind of low fi if 293 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: you think about it. 294 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: It is very low it's neat. 295 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: So we should kind of give you an idea of 296 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: what the menstrual cycle is. Right, it's twenty eight days generally, Yes, 297 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: that's the rule of thumb. But yes, it's certainly different 298 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: for everyone, right, And I think it's also down to 299 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: like hours and stuff like that too. It's not just days. 300 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: It's a human construct, you know. But have you stopped 301 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: and ever thought about like how interesting it is that 302 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: the cycle of the moon is like twenty eight days 303 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, I think it's fascinating. 304 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: I know, I didn't say what fascinating. I never stopped it. 305 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: I just just in researching this, I was like, that's 306 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: the cycle of the moon as well. Oh that's interesting. 307 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: So anyway, over the say roughly twenty eight day period, 308 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: the whole thing starts with the petuitary gland getting a 309 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: little froggy and saying, hey, I'm going to release some 310 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: follicle stimulating hormone at that sh and that stuff floods 311 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: the body and it makes its way down to the 312 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: ovaries and it stimulates follicles, hence the name. 313 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: That's right. It makes these follicles and the ovaries grow, 314 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: and it just sets off a big series of events. Basically, 315 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: estrogen is triggers that peituitary gland again. 316 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the follicles then in turn release estrogen. 317 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And so the petutary gland is busy because 318 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: then it secretes what's called ganatotropin releasing hormone g little 319 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: N big R, big H. 320 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: One of the better abbreviations ever. 321 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it looks sort of like guns n'. 322 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: Roses a little bit. Yeah, Oh, that. 323 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: GnRH, and that triggers a rise in lutinizing hormone l H. 324 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: Right, and so hormone goes back down to the ovarian 325 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 2: follicles and it it gets one of the follicles. So 326 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: if you have a bunch of ovarian follicles growing, one 327 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: of them is going to clearly it's the lead horse, right, Yeah, 328 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: it's going to develop into an egg. And as the 329 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: lutinizing hormone stimulates it to develop into an egg, the 330 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: egg pops off. The rest of the other follicles wither 331 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: and die, and then the egg travels down the fallopian 332 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: tube where it may or may not be fertilized. 333 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is called the ovulation. And while this is 334 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: going on, in the background, the uterine lining the endometrium 335 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: is thickening up right, it's getting ready for business. 336 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 2: And the reason that is is because the estrogen and 337 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: the lutinizing hormone are causing that to happen. 338 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just rising and rising. 339 00:19:53,200 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: So the mucus in the vagina I'm saying, like even 340 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: more than usual right now. But the mucus in the 341 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: in the vagina also does it thicken? Yeah, So it 342 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: thickens is that after the egg has been fertilized, because 343 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: I think it would make it, it would become okay, 344 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: So it d thickens. The uterine lining thickens. I think 345 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: the vaginal mucus makes it makes it easier for sperm 346 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: to make its way. 347 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, correct, Okay, sorry about that. 348 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: So that's so, if all that goes according to the 349 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: genetic plan, then those sperm are going to make their 350 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: way to an egg. The egg is going to become fertilized, 351 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: it's going to come down the Filippian tube attached to 352 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: the uterus, and it's going to start to grow into 353 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: a child. 354 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: Correct. 355 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: It might also not happen either. The woman involved might 356 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: not have sex, so there might be no sperm. The 357 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: sperm might not make it. There might be some sort 358 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: of barrier method being made. 359 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, or being used. A dude may have bad sperm. 360 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: Sure. Regardless of how this happens. If the egg is 361 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: not fertilized, the egg eventually weather's up itself and dissolves 362 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: and that thickened endometrium is shed. 363 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, the uterine lining is shed. 364 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: Yes, So when that haves like kind of iron rich 365 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: blood tissue, right, Okay, that is menstruation, that's menstruation. So 366 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: when you think of but that's your period, Yeah, the 367 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: whole thing's menstruation. Well yeah, Okay, it's like a twenty 368 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: eight day cycle is menstruation because I always think of like, yeah, 369 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: the period's menstruation, right, No, that's actually the end of menstruation, right, 370 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: and then the whole cycle begins again. Right after that time, 371 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: the pituitary glands like, oh, all right, I'll release some 372 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: follicle stimulating hormone. The whole thing begins again. The pill 373 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: interrupts this by making the body think it's already released 374 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: an egg. Like when the egg comes off of the 375 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: follicle and makes its way down out of the Philippian tube. 376 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 2: The ovum makes his way down the Philippian tube, that's 377 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: when the estrogen and the progesterone levels are high. Okay, 378 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: So the pill introduces progesterone and estrogen levels and keeps 379 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: them high at all times, and therefore the body stops 380 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: releasing eggs because it thinks it's already released an egg. 381 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just hijacks that whole process right. Synthetically, Yep. 382 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: The woman's body is amazing. It is when you think 383 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: about all that's going on. 384 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, our body is not doing anything even remotely like that. 385 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: It's making like farts. 386 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: That's what I thought when I was researching this, I 387 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: was like, man, I've never felt less important. Yeah, and 388 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: like the insides of my body are just I got 389 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: some lungs doing some things. I got a heart, and 390 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: then like, I guess I'm still making sperm. I don't 391 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: even know. 392 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: I've got like a wheezy old donkey running the show 393 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 2: in there kind of dirty. 394 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: Oh goodness. So the endometrium still builds up in the 395 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: uterus and is released, but it's known as a withdrawal period. 396 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: So this is if you're on the pill. But that's 397 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: why your period while on the pill is going to 398 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: be generally lighter and shorter. 399 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so technically this the pill mimics the structure 400 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: called the corpus luteum, yes, which is the thing that 401 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: releases progesterone and estrogen once an egg is released. So 402 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 2: the bodies like, oh, the corpus luteum's got it going on. 403 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: I don't need to release another egg. I also am 404 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 2: not going to have a period because during this time 405 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: after the pill, those hormone levels start to become like 406 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: a normal baseline in the woman's body. There's no endometrium 407 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: that builds up, and therefore there's no endometrium to shed. 408 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: Right, and I don't think we mentioned this yet. Progestin, 409 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: which is the synthetic progesterone, it's going to make that 410 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: vaginal mucus thicker, so you're right earlier. It is thinner 411 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: to make this sperm, make it excess the eggs easy. 412 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: It will thicken it up that mucus to make it 413 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: harder for the sperm. So it's and I think it's 414 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: just sort of like a one two punch to make 415 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: it even harder to get pregnant, although you can still 416 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: get pregnant, usually due to misuse of the pill, because 417 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: what you do is you take the pill at the 418 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: same time every day. It's all very synchronous and depends 419 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: on that timing, and if you don't time it out right, 420 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: your chances are getting pregnant are a little bit more. 421 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: But apparently if you're taking it exactly right at the 422 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: same time, then your failure rate is going to be 423 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: point three percent, So it's still technically possible. 424 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: Yes, it is point three percent possible. 425 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: Which offers up the question like why, Like when they 426 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: were developing the pill, they had it completely in their 427 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: control as to what they wanted to do with the 428 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: menstrual cycle, and they decided and I never knew this 429 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: very interesting. They decided to keep it on that twenty 430 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: eight day cycle because for a lot of reasons, they 431 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: thought the Rock thought the Catholic Church, because he was 432 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: a Catholic, they might be more willing to approve it 433 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: if it seemed more natural. 434 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 2: I guess right. He was way off there. 435 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: They thought, way off. He thought that women would be 436 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: more apt to take it if it didn't seem like 437 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: it was disrupting things too much. Yeah, like, it's still 438 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: in my regular cycle, right. 439 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: Because you do have that withdrawal period. It's not an 440 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: actual real period, but it does come at that at 441 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 2: the end of that the pill cycle. 442 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they could have gotten rid of the period altogether. 443 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: Right, And a lot of people are like, well, go 444 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: do that. And there are pills on the market that 445 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: we'll talk about that do take away women's period. Yeah, 446 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: there's others that put them at different like spaces of 447 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: them out like like four times a year or something 448 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: like that. And people started looking into this and they're like, well, 449 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: wait a minute, like should shouldn't women be having periods? 450 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,120 Speaker 2: And the answer is not necessarily right. 451 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's controversial, like you're not. 452 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: If you're not ovulating, you technically don't have to have 453 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: a period. And this Molly Edmunds wrote this really interesting pill, 454 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: that old Molly article. Yeah, like is a period necessary? 455 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: I think is what it's called. 456 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: And because women today have many more periods than our ancestors. 457 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: Right, something on the order of like four hundred and 458 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: fifty periods over the average woman's lifetime. 459 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, about three times as many as our ancestors. Yeah. 460 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: So like back in like hunter gatherer, pre pre agricultural 461 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: women had about one hundred and sixty or something, right, 462 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: And that was because they had more kids, they breastfed longer, 463 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 2: they didn't live as long. Yeah, And so some people 464 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: make the point like, well, women are having more more 465 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: periods than ever before, and the body wasn't meant for this. 466 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: It's actually kind of rough on the body to have 467 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: a period. Like when the ovum pops off of the 468 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: fallopian tube, it leaves a scar on the ovary. Yeah, 469 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: and that scar has to be repaired, and to repair 470 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 2: the cells in the ovary have to divide, and as 471 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: long as they divide correctly, that damage will be repaired. 472 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 2: If they divide incorrectly. That damage can turn into ovarian cancer, 473 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: so that's a problem with it. There's also scarring with 474 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: the shedding of the endometrium, like actually having your period 475 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: itself can leave scarring the same deal, right. 476 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think does an iron deficiency come into play. 477 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: So that's actually a benefit of having a period. You 478 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: get rid of excess iron, which can lead to cardiovascular disease. 479 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: Well, and there are a couple of weeks during the 480 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: menstrual cycle where women have a lot a significant reduction 481 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: in blood pressure. So during the years you know, their 482 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: reproductive years, at least they are at I guess a 483 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: slightly lower risk of stroke and heart attacked. 484 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: I think like ten percent lower. 485 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's not bad, no, not at all. 486 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: So there's pros and there's cons to having a period. 487 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: The thing is, this is what Molly ultimately points out, 488 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: is we actually don't know if a period is necessary. 489 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: Like the pill is still relatively new, and I think 490 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: she quoted a doctor in their Doctor Susan roth Coo, 491 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: I think or Roco And she called the pill that 492 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: does away with periods entirely the greatest unregulated medical experiment 493 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: of all time. Yeah, and she makes a chilling point, 494 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: like we don't really know what the side effects are yet, 495 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: because all of this is too new, especially the pill 496 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: that does away with the period altogether. 497 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and they haven't done there are no long 498 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: term studies of menstrual suppression from oral contraceptives. At least, 499 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: they don't know about what that means for a woman. 500 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: They don't know because most of this testing is done 501 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: for women over eighteen, so they don't know what it 502 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: meant for women under eighteen right at all, because they're 503 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: just not involved in the research, even though they do 504 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: have research that shows about two thirds of women would 505 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: get rid of their period if they could do so safely. 506 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: Because I mean, we haven't even mentioned PMS or PPMD, 507 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: which is just isn't that like a really really severe 508 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: yeah form of PMS? 509 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like much worse. Yeah yeah, But whereas like 510 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: PMS is is not a picnic to begin with, this 511 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 2: is this is like go to the hospital bad? 512 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, it can be at least yeah, so yeah, 513 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: that's really interesting to think about. 514 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: It also treats ovarian sists. There's other uses for birth 515 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: control pills too. Yeah, you want to take another break 516 00:29:47,320 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: and get back to it, I think. So Okay, okay, Chuck, 517 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: where are we? Oh we were talking. 518 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: About I'm over here hanging but on this cliff by 519 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: my fingernails. 520 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: I think you're doing great. Isn't they doing great? Everybody? 521 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: Yes? No? 522 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: So remember, so there are side effects both positive and 523 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: negative to taking the pill. There's some very common negative 524 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: side effects like nausea is a big one, weight gain 525 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: spotting which is called breakthrough menstruation, which is where you 526 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: have bleeding during the actual pill cycle, not the prescribed 527 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: period cycle of the pill. 528 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I don't think we mentioned yet either that 529 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: in the pill prescription, in that monthly dose there are 530 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: seven not always, but the way they designed it was 531 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: there are seven placebo pills, right, that are in there 532 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: because you only take the pill for twenty one days 533 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: a month. But they put those extra seven pills in 534 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: there to keep women on that. I guess the thinking was, 535 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: if they're used to taking this pill every day, they 536 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: need to. 537 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: Keep doing it, right, it is a habit. 538 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, if they don't for seven days, they might forget 539 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: on the eighth day, and that's bad news. 540 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the most common way to do it, 541 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: and those that's a very easy type of pill to take, 542 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: right because all of them are the same level of hormone, 543 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: and the seven inert ones are usually a different color 544 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: and they come at the end of the month. It's 545 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: supposed to be easy. There's actually a recall right now 546 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: of Tatula. Did you see that? No Tatula has made 547 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: it by Alergan I think, And they recalled a lot 548 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: of their pills because they put the inert ones at 549 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: the beginning of the cycle accidentally, just bad packaging. 550 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh. 551 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 2: And if you look, you can clearly see that the 552 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: first like seven or different color, but where they're supposed 553 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: to be at the end, at the beginning, and that 554 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: is bad news if you're taking that pill. So if 555 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: you have Tatula, go check it right now and go 556 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: get some more. 557 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think I interrupted you. On the side 558 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: effects nausea, headaches, breast soreness, acne, depression, moodiness, weight gain, 559 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: decreased libido, and sometimes these can be like if if 560 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: you start out on the pill can be worse. A 561 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: few cycles in it might get better, and if it doesn't, 562 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: you can There are different pills out. 563 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: There, there are, there's so the the when those pills 564 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: originally came out that first formula I think it was called. 565 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: Like a novid that was the first one on the market, first. 566 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: One by Cyril Cerel, and they had ten milligrams of 567 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: progesterone or progestin and zero point one five milligrams of estrogen, 568 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: and that is like a nuclear bomb pill. Women had 569 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: the side effects from it, like all these side effects, 570 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: like each of them a mac truck, and they were 571 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: still willing to go through it to have control of 572 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: their body as far as pregnancy went. But they very 573 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: quickly figured out through further research, you can do the same. 574 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: And the reason they selected that is like they knew 575 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 2: that there was not going to be any ovulation with 576 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: ten milligrams of progesterone, and so they figured out that 577 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: you could formulate with a much lower amount of both 578 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: progestin and estrogen and still get the job done. And 579 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: they still do that today. I think the estrogen gets 580 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: down into the micrograms and you can get like two 581 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 2: point five milligrams of progesterone in some forms of the pill. 582 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 2: And then if so, if the pill is mistreating you, 583 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: what you're saying is there are options, right, Well. 584 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are three main types of oral did I 585 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: say kypes? I think I did? 586 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: You also said zero? 587 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: There are three main types of the oral contraceptive pills 588 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: now combination pills, progestin only, and extended release, which are 589 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: the newest ones out there. The combination pill is the 590 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: most common pill that you will get. The Mini pill 591 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: is the progestin only and for some women that's better. 592 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: Like if you're breastfeeding and you can't have the estrogen 593 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: because it's going to affect your milk, you will probably 594 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: be on the mini pill and the mini piel peel. 595 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: It works in a couple of different ways. It makes 596 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: the endometrium too thin to accept that egg and it 597 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: won't allow it to attach. And again with the vaginal mucus, 598 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: it makes it too thick to allow the sperm to 599 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: reach the egg. But it is a little less effective, 600 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: but still effective, but a little less than the combination. 601 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 2: Pill because it's almost like a different they're different mechanisms. 602 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's twenty eight active pills for the mini pill. 603 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 2: Right, But rather than tricking the body into thinking it's 604 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: released an egg, this is just making it hard to 605 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: get pregnant, yes, right, exactly. It's almost like a different 606 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: kind of pill, and then there's what's the. 607 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: Other kind, well, the combination pill the most common. There's 608 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: a few subtypes of that pill as well. 609 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: Right, So there's monophasic, which is what I was talking about, 610 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 2: where you've got twenty one pills and all of them 611 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: are the same dose of progestin and estrogen. And then 612 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: you've got the seven inert pills. And some women say 613 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna have a period this month, and then 614 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 2: you just rather than taking those seven inert pills, you 615 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: just move on to the next month's twenty one pills. 616 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: Yes, and I believe with the monophasic, if you miss 617 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: a day, you can double up the next day. 618 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,959 Speaker 2: Because it's the same amount of pills or the same 619 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 2: level of hormones. Right, So yeah, and that's far and 620 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 2: away the most common. There's bi phasic, which has two 621 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: different levels of hormones, and then triphasic has three different levels. 622 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: And the point of by phasic and triphasic is it 623 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 2: they're designed to give you the absolute minimum amount of 624 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: synthetic hormones that your body requires to keep from ovulating. Yes, 625 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: because the point is is the lower the amount of 626 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: hormones you have in there probably the better off you are, 627 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: whether it's cancer risk, moodiness, who knows, you're you're just 628 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 2: better off with the least amount that does the trick. 629 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the kind of progestin in each of these 630 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: is going to vary. But the type of synthetic estrogen 631 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: is the same, right, It's called ethanyl estradiol eric estrata estradiol. 632 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: That's it ethanyl estradiole. 633 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the progestin is the thing that differs sometimes right, correct. 634 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 2: And depending if like you're on a pill that uses 635 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: woing type of progestine, you can say, oh, I want 636 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 2: to try a different type of progestine. Then they'll say 637 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 2: here you go. 638 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: And then the extended cycle, which we talked about, this 639 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: is the newest, the newest one on the market, and 640 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: I believe isn't this the one that is can reduce 641 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: your period to like a few four times a year. 642 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's there's a couple of different there's seasonal 643 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 2: and season eke and they're called that because that four 644 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 2: time a year period you'll just be like, op, it's 645 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: fall up, it's summer, right, not in that order, but 646 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And then there's libral and 647 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's other ones on the market too. We 648 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: don't mean to buzz market or anything like that. So 649 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: there's there's there's one that's like three hundred and sixty 650 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 2: five days, and then there's others that are eighty four days, 651 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 2: so that you have for either no periods at all 652 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 2: or four periods a year. Right, So there you go. 653 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: So there's a couple of other things I want to 654 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 2: hit on the pill is it's so much larger than 655 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 2: just birth control. Sure, I mean, just the fact that 656 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 2: it's birth control is an enormous thing. Like, like you said, 657 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 2: John Rock thought he was going to be able to 658 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 2: convince the Catholic Church that that this is okay thing. 659 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 2: That was not the case. In the late sixties, the 660 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: Black power movement really zeroed in on the pill, especially 661 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: the men of the Black Power movement, and said like 662 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: this is this is tantamount to black genocide. And they 663 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 2: definitely had like a case like there were plenty of 664 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,959 Speaker 2: cases of black women who went into hospitals and gave 665 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 2: birth and then came out unknowingly sterilized, like the doctor 666 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: had just taken it upon himself to sterilize her after 667 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: delivering her baby. So they're like they had this, they 668 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 2: had this evidence to back this up, and it was 669 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 2: never shown. Like, yes, there was a conspiracy to to 670 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: wipe out black power in America through the pill, but 671 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 2: you like, there were plenty of black women at the 672 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: time who said, like, yeah, I can get birth control 673 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: pills easier than anything that you know down on the 674 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: corner clinic or something like that. And even even with 675 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 2: the early trials from John Rock and Gregory Pinkus, Like 676 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: one of the things that they zeroed in on Puerto 677 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: Rico for was because they thought that if they could 678 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 2: show that backwards Puerto Ricans of color could could learn 679 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 2: how to take the pill regularly, it would demonstrate that 680 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 2: women in the inner cities could, or women in developing 681 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 2: countries could. So there was definitely like a mentality toward 682 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,439 Speaker 2: the white establishment being on board with the idea of 683 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 2: at least providing the tools for other for minorities to 684 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 2: control their rate of birth. That was just pure and simple. 685 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 2: That was a thought of it. Yeah, it was, and 686 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 2: it's had a tremendous amount of benefits too, But there 687 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: were some there was some darkness in the place that 688 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 2: it originally came from. As well. 689 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and of course anti abortion groups think that 690 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,720 Speaker 1: the pill still to this day is an abortion causing 691 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: agent what they call in. 692 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: Do you know how to pronounce that a border fashion? 693 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: A border fashion? I think so, yeah, I think that's right. 694 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 1: Which you know, that's that's long been their argument. 695 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 2: Well, they their argument is that it makes the the 696 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 2: uterus hostile to a fertilized egg, like prolonged use would 697 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 2: prevent a fertilized egg that would otherwise attach from attaching. 698 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 2: And so that's for all intents and purposes, abortion in 699 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 2: their position, right, And yeah, that is I don't think 700 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 2: that one's settled by any stretch of the imagination. 701 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: So you got anything else, I got nothing else. 702 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,439 Speaker 2: As I predicted belief, this is a good one. 703 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was good. 704 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 2: I think it was great. 705 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: I hope we did all right. 706 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're not like patronizing. We've never been patronizing. No, 707 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 2: that might be like white dudes, but we're very much 708 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 2: aware that we're white dudes. And let me leave you 709 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 2: with this, white dude. If you're a white dude, whether 710 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 2: it's in America or the West or anywhere, your one 711 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 2: job is to have some perspective. That's your first and 712 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 2: foremost job. Take yourself out of your own shoes once 713 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 2: in a while, look around, put yourself in other people's shoes. 714 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 2: Your eyes will open widely in agog. 715 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,240 Speaker 1: Some say walk a mile. 716 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 2: Sure, why not get a little weight off right. 717 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: At least go check the mail. 718 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 2: If you want to know more about the pill, just 719 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,720 Speaker 2: type in the pill. It'll bring up some cool stuff 720 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 2: on how stuff Works dot com. And there's also a 721 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 2: really great American Experience site on PBS that had a. 722 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: Bat Man that was good. Yeah, so good. 723 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,959 Speaker 2: And since I said American Experience and Chuck said, so good, 724 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 2: it's time for listener mail. 725 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not no listener mail today because we've 726 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: had some milestones here lately, and as we sit here 727 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: today in real time, we as a company are celebrating 728 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: the ten year anniversary of Stuff You Should Know again again, 729 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: but we're actually having the party today. And on the 730 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: same day, Apple announced at their. 731 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 2: WDCC, Yeah, their. 732 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: Developers conference, got up on stage and this one kind 733 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: of hit me, Like we had the thousand episodes that 734 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: was good. The ten years kind of hit me in 735 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: a big way. But they got up on stage today 736 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,919 Speaker 1: and they said that Stuff You Should Know is now 737 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: the first podcast in history, first and only to reach 738 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: five hundred million downloads and streams on their platform, which 739 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: is I didn't know, No, it hit me too somehow. 740 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: Adam Carolla is in againness book of world's records. But 741 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: here we are as the only one. And that's because 742 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: of you all out there. Yes you said a gazillion times, 743 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: but without you, there is no us. We would have 744 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: been long gone if not for your support, So we 745 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: canntinue to give thanks. 746 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 2: Thank you again. Yeah, we and will continue to give thanks. 747 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: And we will continue to podcast. 748 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 2: Yes we will chuck, Yes we will. 749 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 1: And that's all I got. 750 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 2: If you want to get in touch with us, you 751 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 2: can send us all an email the Stuff podcast at 752 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 2: houstuffworks dot com and as always, joined us at our 753 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 2: extraordinarily grateful home on the web, Stuff youshould Know dot com. 754 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. 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