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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast has surprisingly strong hip hop knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of The Round the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosa. Thought, what up? Boys? Another show? Middle week show.

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Speaker 1: Always fun show. I always like the shows when Marks

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Speaker 1: been the one that came in at four in the morning,

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Speaker 1: because there's just a little extra edge to his facial

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Speaker 1: expressions at all times, you know, I am If anybody

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Speaker 1: just heard me sneeze, I apologize. What were you saying

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Speaker 1: about Mark? Oh he's exhausted. Yeah, you can see it. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I think we've all done that shift. And uh, it

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Speaker 1: is what it is. It is border but non human.

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Speaker 1: But also, even if you're not tired, you're you wear

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Speaker 1: your emotions on your face, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I'm on the sleeve emotions on the face. I've

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Speaker 1: got the perfect seat for it, so I just, you know,

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Speaker 1: sit back and enjoy the show. There is a positive

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Speaker 1: aspect is that yesterday I met one of the Earth's

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Speaker 1: newest heroes for the second time, Jack Hansas. I got

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Speaker 1: some legitimate I got to hold him about the only

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Speaker 1: one that's exhausted. By the way, I understand that entirely. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I came home not feeling well, and immediately my wife

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Speaker 1: says to me, not even hello, she says, take him,

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Speaker 1: I need to go take a shower. She was hit

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Speaker 1: gives her a little break. I'm sure she's thrilled that

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Speaker 1: late in the afternoon. Listen. I think she understands now

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get me in trouble. I total honesty from

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Speaker 1: but anyway, So Mark got to see my my son

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Speaker 1: crying for a couple of hours. I was good. He

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Speaker 1: was a delight. Yeah, big show, by the way, big

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Speaker 1: show because how often, and I think you could count

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Speaker 1: it on maybe one finger, how many Hall of famers

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Speaker 1: or potential future Hall of famers have we had. On

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast, Jim Brown was on the

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Speaker 1: Old A t L Debate Club. Interesting talk to Richard Sherman,

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Speaker 1: Once Marshall, Brandon Marshall potentially. I'm guessing Greg Hardy's probably

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Speaker 1: the coast point. We had him one that's less than

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Speaker 1: a handful. So you're here. Kurt Warner, one of the

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Speaker 1: great quarterbacks of his air, will be on via phone

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Speaker 1: I'll be fun. We'll talk to do some quarterback talk,

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Speaker 1: which makes sense. I was lobbying to do some guard

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Speaker 1: talk with Kurt Warner and Greg said, no, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make sense. A quotes. Yeah, it's just come on whatever

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Speaker 1: I think outside the box. Also that conversation, never speaking

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Speaker 1: also have the Thursday night preview Big NFC East Showdown

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night between the Giants and Redskins, two teams

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Speaker 1: But before any of that, to you date, how you

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Speaker 1: doing behind the glass? What's going on? Fellas aw you

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Speaker 1: guys doing doing well? Doing well? Cameras on in here

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Speaker 1: that people know this. This will be the first episode

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Speaker 1: The lighting system is getting more and more abrasive each

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Speaker 1: time we come in here, another giant mini square suns

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Speaker 1: this is why I was part here to make up.

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Speaker 1: this what the hell's going on out here? And of

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Speaker 1: course that's you guy response when I tell you guys

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Speaker 1: he's better now now exactly. Uh, here's some news and

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Speaker 1: coach Joe Filman, each of the last three days in

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Speaker 1: He did it again on Wednesday, and then minutes later,

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Speaker 1: really curious what you think. I think Joe Fieldman took

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Speaker 1: Your NFL head coach is gonna act like Hamlet. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: there is always competing agendas. There's always a new GM

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Speaker 1: had no idea if he could be the next Chip Kelly,

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Speaker 1: or if it was going to be a disaster. And

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Speaker 1: you hate to think it's gonna be because of a

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Speaker 1: health reason, but you wonder if he's even ever going

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Speaker 1: to coach in the NFL again. Moving for or, Levyan

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Speaker 1: Bell has been very impressive for the Pittsburgh Steelers this

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Speaker 1: season and had an amazing game on Sunday Night, including

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Speaker 1: a eighty one yard run in the win over the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Ladanian Tomlinson another friend of the show, not really, but

436
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Speaker 1: he works for NFL media, so sticks last week though,

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Speaker 1: saying sticks the enemy of the state. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Tomlinson was listening to our podcast and all our

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Speaker 1: talk about Levan Bellany that's incredible, all right, This was

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Speaker 1: the quote from Ladanian Tomlinson, an enemy of the show,

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Speaker 1: about Levyan Bell. Let me just say this right now.

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Speaker 1: I would take Lebian Bell over any running back in

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Speaker 1: the league. He can do it all people. He can

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Speaker 1: run inside, but he has a speed to turn the corner.

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Speaker 1: He could catch the football. He's versatile, he's athletic. I

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Speaker 1: love Levan Bell alright, so, Thomlinson. One of the great

447
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Speaker 1: running backs in the history of football is thanks Leavyan

448
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Speaker 1: Bell is now better than everyone else, including Leshawn McCoy

449
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Speaker 1: and not Forte and god forbid we bring his name up,

450
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Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson, no one else now. Jim Brown, Well, he

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Speaker 1: said in the NFL right now, I don't think that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy at all. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: talked about it last week that we thought he was

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Speaker 1: a top five running back. Right now, this is putting

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Speaker 1: him at the top of that. He's better than Leshawn

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Speaker 1: McCoy right now, he's playing better than him through three games.

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Speaker 1: That does that mean you want him for the next

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Speaker 1: I think you can just see running backs are easier.

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Speaker 1: You can just see. Yes, I think that's right there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's better than if you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about early season production, better than DeMarco Murray

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Speaker 1: right now, Murray has been amazing. Bell is a much

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Speaker 1: much better receiver than Murray. He has durability on his side,

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Speaker 1: and I think he can break long runs better than Murray,

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Speaker 1: better than Chris Johnson. Yes, Bell looks better than he

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Speaker 1: did last season two. He looks like a very different

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Speaker 1: player from where he was a year and he's about

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Speaker 1: fifteen pounds lighter. It looks like unhealthy. And he was

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Speaker 1: a guy who I thought looked a lot better than

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Speaker 1: his showed last year. I think there was partly the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. I don't know what I mean. We watched

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Speaker 1: him and he popped off the tape, and then this

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Speaker 1: year it's a whole another thing. No, I would take

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Speaker 1: Shady over him. But to your point, though, I think

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Speaker 1: NFL running backs are like Major League Baseball pitchers. You

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Speaker 1: kind of have to just take the one that's playing

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Speaker 1: well right now because arms are so wonky that you

478
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Speaker 1: never know who's gonna be playing well, and running backs

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Speaker 1: take too many hits to the point where if they're

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Speaker 1: a little gampy, they're not gonna be playing well. Everything

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Speaker 1: has to kind of go together with that offensive line

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Speaker 1: and play calling to well. Also, it helps too. Part

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Speaker 1: of it's the scheme. They're on a team where with

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and Ben Roethlisberger, you have to respect the

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Speaker 1: past big time with Marcus Sweeten too. It's not a

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Speaker 1: stack the box playoff to play and shut down Bell,

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Speaker 1: And that's what's happening the news in the NFL. That

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Speaker 1: was fun. How happy it's damaged? Like right now from

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Speaker 1: making that week one Levian Bell with Shawn McCoy comparison, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not really a good comparison. It's not. But especially

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Speaker 1: with Bell playing the way he has, it's not too

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Speaker 1: happy after he just heard West his reply to that,

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Speaker 1: come on, what's up? What's up with that? Look? I

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Speaker 1: love Dave Damnaschick, but that comparison is goofy. I agree,

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Speaker 1: and I'll make sure I tell Dave that you've made

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Speaker 1: a point to bring that up, to let him know

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Speaker 1: on the podcast as soon as you brought it up.

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Speaker 1: It's really the theme of this podcast taking out other

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Speaker 1: NFL employees. Who's starting up, Who's who's next? All right?

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Speaker 1: Moving forward? John you at Brian Billick Coaches Podcast, Any

501
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Speaker 1: break barely exists. That's Greg Rosenthal C twelve be the

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Speaker 1: first law. All Right, Thursday Night Football, gentlemen, This is

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Speaker 1: a If you like the NFC East, you should like

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Speaker 1: this game. That's the New York Giants against the Washington Redskins,

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Speaker 1: a battle of two one and two teams. Uh. This

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Speaker 1: game will be played in Washington, so I think the

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Speaker 1: Redskins will probably favored amongst the around the NFL group,

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Speaker 1: especially coming off a dynamic offensive performance against the Eagles

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Speaker 1: last week. But the Giants played a lot better against

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Speaker 1: the Texans and Elis looked pretty good the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: How do we see this one? I think the Redskins

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Speaker 1: should be favored. I think they're the better team. They

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Speaker 1: outplayed the Eagles last week. They lost because special teams,

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Speaker 1: which they've been losing for a couple of years now

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Speaker 1: through different coaching staffs, and they had over a hundred

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Speaker 1: yards and penalties by halftime. They really shot themselves into foot.

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Speaker 1: They moved the ball up and down the field whenever

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Speaker 1: they wanted, except for the last drive of the game.

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Speaker 1: With these Thursday night games, I really struggled to look

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Speaker 1: at it the way I would a match up on

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Speaker 1: Sunday or Monday night. Some of the weirdest stuff we've

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Speaker 1: seen has come on Thursday nights, and it heaviably, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, favors the home team. They've just got an

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Speaker 1: easier week to navigate. This game would be considered an

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Speaker 1: absolute stinker had the Giants not pulled out a recent win.

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Speaker 1: And Dan loves the NFC East with all his heart,

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Speaker 1: and he now has an interesting matchup to watch. I

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Speaker 1: hate to admit it, I usually I'm tired of the

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Speaker 1: NFC East and specifically these two teams on national TV.

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Speaker 1: And I think these two teams both have a chance

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Speaker 1: to be a little friskier and watch more watchable than

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Speaker 1: we expected. The Giants played very well last week. I

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Speaker 1: mean they stomped on the Texans. It was a complete performance,

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Speaker 1: and the Redskins have been a lot of fun to

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Speaker 1: watch since Kirk Cousins been there. Put up forty five

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Speaker 1: points and put up five eleven yards. Their defense has

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Speaker 1: been better. They're very banged up though for this game.

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Speaker 1: They lost a lot of people last week, including D'Angelo

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Speaker 1: halland potentially Jason Hatcher for this game. He's going to

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Speaker 1: be a game time decision. And I know Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: played tremendously well on Sunday, but maybe the hype train

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Speaker 1: we could pump the brakes a little bit. People are

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Speaker 1: basically almost assuming that Cousins is now the guy forever

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Speaker 1: in Washington. But now that I said that, let me

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Speaker 1: throw this. People in society, Greg, all around the world

546
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Speaker 1: are saying Kirk Cousins is the greatest quarterback ever. Let's

547
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Speaker 1: just throw something out to you just for fun. Let's

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Speaker 1: say Cousins is the real deal and the hype t

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Speaker 1: is justified. This is how about this? Get ready? Robert

550
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Speaker 1: Griffin the third St. Louis Rams for a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Who says, no, the Rams you want to put you

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Speaker 1: want to put Robert Griffin in the offensive Brian Schottenheimer. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: Shottenheimer will get fired after the season. In this scenario, Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Rams would never be able to swallow their pride

555
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Speaker 1: enough to do it because they passed on Griffin so

556
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Speaker 1: many times in the draft. It just would be like

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Speaker 1: admitting a mistake. And you never see teams do that.

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Speaker 1: Why would you go from one quarterback who can't stay

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Speaker 1: healthy to another quarterback who can't stay healthy? Well, I

560
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Speaker 1: thought I might have had you on this West because

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Speaker 1: you were all in on r G three. Are you

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Speaker 1: now saying after this ankle injury he's done. No, But

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. But the Rams would be the

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Speaker 1: last team I would trade him to how about the

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Speaker 1: Giants when Eli Manning's off the team next year. I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing Eli all of a sudden become watchable. What was

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Speaker 1: the actually he's had two weeks in a row. I

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Speaker 1: think statistically is on the upswing. He has a higher

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Speaker 1: completion percentage in Aaron Rodgers right now. He also has

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Speaker 1: the lowest passer rating of any quarterback on throws over

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Speaker 1: tenor that's because in that offense they rarely that's not

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Speaker 1: a bright part of their offense. To me, that's a

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Speaker 1: problem when you have a guy who's good at that,

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Speaker 1: who's a good vertical thrower, and last week he really

575
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Speaker 1: only tried one throw down the field the whole game

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Speaker 1: and it didn't really work. Are we all picking the Redskins.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the Redskins. I take home teams on Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: barring what looks like a total mismatch Redskins. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm always tempted to take the Giants for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: but I can't take him on the road at the stage,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the Skins. I don't know if I've ever

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Speaker 1: picked the Giants to win any game, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna start now. Two super Bowls in the last six years.

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Speaker 1: I thought about it. You wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Speaker 1: If it was in New York, I would take the Giants.

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Speaker 1: But I think it would take a game. I think

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Speaker 1: we could all look bad. Here the Giant stay, of

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Speaker 1: which you said, yeah, with the Jet game when we

589
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Speaker 1: all took the Jets. We have the Hero pick. We

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Speaker 1: have the Superhero pick, which Patrick pulled off when he

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Speaker 1: had the what is it called the d Cell power pick?

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Speaker 1: You have your power pick of the week, and then

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Speaker 1: we have hero picks Hero picks, which you're the only

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Speaker 1: one that made that pick. Some people have been asking

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Speaker 1: about this, and this is logical. When all of us

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Speaker 1: picked the wrong thing together, it's a zero pick. I

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Speaker 1: know that I'm starting to pick games incorrectly as my

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Speaker 1: head is spinning. Serving so many corporate masters. Yeah, so

599
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Speaker 1: what was the last year? Then it could be arranged

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Speaker 1: for you not to have to serve those masters. I

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Speaker 1: would think it's the wrong person. Here's this mark. Yeah,

602
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Speaker 1: that twenty seconds it takes to pick your power pick

603
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Speaker 1: each week and write one sentence. I just want to

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Speaker 1: scare I don't need Why does das Cell need to

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Speaker 1: tell me what I need to hear? Right? Before we

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Speaker 1: get to Kurt Warner, let's do a little Team of

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Speaker 1: a t L talk a little update. The nominees are

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, the Chargers, the Steelers for the West, and

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Speaker 1: Mark you you went with the Jets. You used your

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Speaker 1: Matthew Mulligan picked up the Jets, and that's not looking

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Speaker 1: too good anymore. But I appreciate that you went for it. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's about consensus. I would still vote for them, but

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Speaker 1: that isn't happening in this room. Probably not, So let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about it. West. You must be

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Speaker 1: feeling better after Sunday night. Steelers were awfully fun to

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Speaker 1: watch Sunday night. I would like to bring the Lions

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Speaker 1: into it. Those would be my top two if I

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Speaker 1: was doing a power ranking. Should I explain what the

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Speaker 1: Team of a t L is or do we think

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Speaker 1: people know by now? Well, basically, it's the team that

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Speaker 1: we're putting our whole podcast support behind for the year

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Speaker 1: last year as the Panthers. This year, it's undetermined. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna decide it today because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like there's any team we all agree on. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs, Cardinals and Steelers are all in

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Speaker 1: the mix. Maybe a mystery Chiefs excuse me. I love

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs this year. I think they're gonna happening to

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Speaker 1: get it all the way he took down Miami West.

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Speaker 1: You've eve been a little stubborn about the Cardinals, saying

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Speaker 1: they're not really a team that excites you. But you

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Speaker 1: have something to say. I if they have a bye week,

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Speaker 1: don't they coming up and then the Broncos. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: they beat the Broncos' I'm on board in Denver. In Denver,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough I picked on their defensive beginning the year,

635
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Speaker 1: but they're doing something very interesting. You know how we

636
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Speaker 1: talked about in the summer that Rob Bryan was coming

637
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: up with a funky defense, multiple safe, three or four safeties.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what the Cardinals are doing. Todd Bowles, we

639
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: were worried about their middle linebackers, Well there were, well

640
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: I think most people were worried about voting for them

641
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: back in July. They have Tony Jefferson, who played an

642
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: awesome game last week, moving into linebacker. He's a safety

643
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: on nickel packages and that's why the forty Niners had

644
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: all those four and five wide sets Um but Tony Jefferson.

645
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: They've got three or four safeties playing like that, and

646
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: it's really made up for the loss of Washington and Dansby.

647
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of fun. Now, well, welcome to

648
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: the club. And yeah, now on the Cardinals. I know

649
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: this is guy's your thing, but I have a personal

650
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: relationship with my boy Patrick Peterson all the draft week together.

651
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: Tell us Patrick right now, hey, And all they have

652
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: to do is beat the best team in the a

653
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: f C at one of the hardest places. If the

654
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals pull that off, I would probably be swayed to

655
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: go away from the charges for sure. Can they ditch

656
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: their black uniforms? What was up with? I love? I

657
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: haven't seen any black Cardinals before. They can do that.

658
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: When the Steelers ditch their black jerseys, the Steelers are

659
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: that's their team. They're black. Have you ever seen a

660
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: Cardinal flying around and it was black? What's the Steeler anyways? People,

661
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: that's happening. It's the person who makes steel alright, So okay,

662
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: so let's get out of it. So good. That was

663
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: a nice little team of at L update. Up next,

664
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: we have a very special guest. I call him a colleague.

665
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: Because it's all under the NFL media tree. And I'm

666
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: sure Kurt feels the same way. He is a NFL

667
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: network analyst, a two time m v P, a Super

668
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: Bowl winner, recently inducted into the Cardinals Ring of Honor.

669
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: He has none other than Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner, Welcome

670
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: to the Around the NFL podcast. Thank you, guys, appreciate it.

671
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: Where does appearing on the show rank with those other accomplishments.

672
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I just listen, it's right there. I would probably date's

673
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: right underneath those other ones. Okay, but it is right there,

674
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, kind of pushing pushing those other ones for

675
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: for one of my favorites. Appreciate your honesty. You're you're

676
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: just joined the Ring of Honor in Arizona. Are you

677
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: having a hard time not thinking about your name coming

678
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: up for in trimont in Canton later this year? You

679
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: know obviously, Uh, with the list, the nomination list coming

680
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: out last week. Um, you know, with all the things

681
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: that have transpired, you know, there's a lot of talk

682
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: about it, obviously, and it's exciting. I mean, it's a

683
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: it's a fun time for me. Uh. You know, the

684
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor in Arizona was a special night to

685
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: be there with my family and enjoy that and UM,

686
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, see just kind of you know to some degree,

687
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: what you meant to the organization. Um, you know, the the

688
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Obviously, all of us that played would

689
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: love to go down as one of the best to

690
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: ever play the game. And you know that's what the

691
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame signifies. And so it's special for me.

692
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: It's exciting for me to be on that list, to

693
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: be even considered for that. Um. You know, if you

694
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: have told anybody that he's gonna be this guy that

695
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: starts his first game when he's twenty eight years old

696
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: and when it's all said and done, we'll be talking

697
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: about him as a possible Hall of Famer. UM. I

698
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: had taken that in a heartbeat. And so you know,

699
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: nobody knows how this thing plays out, but it's exciting

700
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: for me to to really enjoy the process and enjoy

701
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: the possibilities and um, and we'll just take it as

702
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: it comes, because for me, everything that happens from this

703
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: point continued to be icing on the cake. After the

704
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: career I was able to play out. I'm just curious

705
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: because you did retire after kind of the height of

706
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: your powers or after a real rejuvenation period of your career,

707
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: when you were deciding to leave the game, that across

708
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: your mind at all the Hall of Fame and and

709
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: how close you might be to it, and whether you

710
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: want to stick around to maybe enhance your chances of

711
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: getting into Canon. Now you know that that never really

712
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: played into it. You know, my decision to retire UM

713
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: was more mental fatigue and expectations and just how much

714
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: UM those last few years in Arizona took out of me.

715
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: And I felt like it was just taken more than

716
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to give. And you know, physically I felt great. Physically,

717
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: I felt like I could play as well as I

718
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: ever had. I mean, it was it was fun for

719
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: me and my last home game in Arizona to have

720
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: played one of the greatest games that I played in

721
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: my career, and so it was fun to leave on

722
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: a high note from a playing standpoint. But it was

723
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: just it was just taken too much from me. You

724
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: know that the last Super Bowl year, I weighed in

725
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl week at around two hundred pounds, whereas

726
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: normally I paid played at about two twenty, and so

727
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: that was just an indication of how much the game

728
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: and the pressure and the stress of the situation was

729
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: taken from me. And I just felt, you know, it

730
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: was time that I was, you know, so content and

731
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: happy with my career and to have um come to

732
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: Arizona and not only get back to the level and

733
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: play the level that I knew that I could, but

734
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: I think more importantly helping an organization to change their

735
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: perspective and change their goals and in the standard within

736
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: that building. And those two things were kind of crowning

737
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: moments on my career to say, hey, you know, I

738
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I didn't get to come in on my own terms,

739
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: but I get to leave on my own terms, and

740
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: I get to leave at the top of my game.

741
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: And that's how I always wanted it. And I never

742
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: knew how it was going to play out or how

743
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: I would know, but I knew, I knew it was

744
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: the right time, and you know, I was excited with

745
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: what I accomplished there, and I left. I fella left

746
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: the organization in a place they hadn't been before, and

747
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: they were in a great position to to move forward

748
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: and succeed. Kurt, you do your top five quarterbacks each

749
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: week on total access. But I want to ask you

750
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: what quarterback frustrates you the most when you turn on

751
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: the tape each week. Yeah, Kurt, Kurt's always so positive.

752
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: Everyone looks great. Let's get a little negative. That's a

753
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: good question, um, you know. I mean there's unfortunately, there's

754
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: a lot of them, um that you know, play good,

755
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: and then they have their moments. I mean, like a

756
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: guy like Genos Maans I just throw out of guys

757
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: is that he's a guy that's over the last two years,

758
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: I've seen so many good things from him, you know,

759
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: so many things that take me to the point where

760
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: I go and this guy, you know, he's got the

761
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: ability to make the big plays, you know when it

762
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: gets to be like third and long and he's got,

763
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, the moxie to make those kind of plays.

764
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden he makes kind of

765
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: a knucklehead play where you're going, what are you doing

766
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: and why are you trying to to force that? And so,

767
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's things like that that frustrated be. Tony

768
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: Romo is another guy that I think is a really

769
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: really good quarterback, but then he just has these moments

770
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: where you're just like Tony, you gotta you can't do

771
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: that like like he did in that uh first San

772
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: Francisco game that you know, he's just too good of

773
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: a quarterback and you have those moments. But you know,

774
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: the hard part is is that everybody has those moments.

775
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, outside of just a few guys. Um,

776
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: you know a lot of quarterbacks in this league because

777
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: it's hard to play consistent at that position. But I

778
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: think you just want to avoid that the really bad

779
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: player the play where you're you know, throwing into double

780
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: and triple coverage in the end zone when you know

781
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: you're are setting your team up for a chance to win,

782
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: and so um. You know, again, a lot of guys

783
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: will frustrate you. But the great ones are the ones

784
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: that stay more consistent throughout a sixteen game schedule than

785
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: the others. Hey, Kurt, we just put up our list

786
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: of the ten strongest arms, and the usual suspects are there,

787
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: with Flacco, a Stafford, and Cutler. Is there one or

788
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: two guys that aren't commonly seen as having cannons that

789
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: you kind of say, this guy's got a stronger arm

790
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: than you would think. Um wow, I mean there's a

791
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys that have I mean, I'm assuming Aaron

792
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: Rodgers is on that list somewhere because he's got he's

793
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: got a rocket. Um, like you said, Maggie Stafford, Joe Flacco,

794
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: He's come out to my charity event a couple of times.

795
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: If we play on a fifty yards field, when we

796
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: play at my charity event and the dude flips his

797
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: wrist and the vall goes sixty five yards without him,

798
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: E've been thinking about it. I mean, it's it's crazy,

799
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: but I mean, there are so many guys that are

800
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: extremely talented from an arm standpoint, you know, And I

801
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: think the guys you mentioned are the guys that, uh

802
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: that stands out to me. Um. You know, Andrew Luck

803
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: the guy that I think has a really strong arm

804
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: that we don't give him credit for. The coming out

805
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: he had the ability to kind of throw some more

806
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: touch passes, So I wasn't sure if he had that

807
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: kind of arm. The more I watched him, the more

808
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: I realized, you know, how talented his arm is when

809
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people look at him

810
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: that way. You know, you mentioned Geno Smith a few

811
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: minutes ago. What is your take on, you know, compared

812
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: to where you started your career maybe even ten fifteen

813
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: years before that. That today's quarterbacks they get thrown in

814
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: the fire right away and they don't succeed. New York

815
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: Talk Radio explodes. Everyone's going crazy. But where's the patience

816
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 1: with some of these young passers. You know, it's tough,

817
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: and you know the problem is is that no longer,

818
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, and we talked about quarterbacks, but no longer

819
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: is anybody really given the time to develop. You know,

820
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: back in the day, it was here being bringing a

821
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: young guy and we're gonna let hi sit for a

822
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: couple of years and not only learn how to play

823
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: the game on the field, but also learn how to

824
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: handle themselves off the field, because I think that's a

825
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: big part of you know, showing up and having the

826
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: confidence to play week in week out. And you know, unfortunately,

827
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: you know, coaches don't get that time anymore. Coaches have

828
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: to win right now, and so you know, you're seeing

829
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: these guys that are a little more of a project.

830
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think of Ryan Tannehill. You know, here's

831
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: a guy that only played a couple of years at

832
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: the quarterback position in college. And you know, you you

833
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: hear from rumblings last week that ay, maybe we're gonna

834
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: make a switch at quarterback. We you knew he was

835
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: going to be a project anyways. You knew guys like

836
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow we're going to be a project. But it's

837
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: just so hard in this day and age because you

838
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: see the parody. You see teams that aren't good one

839
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: year that can come back and have success the next year.

840
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: And you see coaches who if they don't win within

841
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: two or three years, they're out looking for a job.

842
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: And so you just don't have the patience anymore because

843
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: very few organizations are willing to, you know, to put

844
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: up with losing or average seasons year in and year out. Kurt,

845
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about your First

846
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: and Goal uh campaign? Yeah, you know, the First and

847
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: Goal campaign is really about encouraging people to take care

848
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: of their heart. Help to take control of of their heart. Held.

849
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: For me, I was diagnosed with high cholesterol in the

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Speaker 1: always thought cholesterol was about diet and exercise. I've done

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Speaker 1: all of that and I'm still in the same spot

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Speaker 1: I was a few years ago, you know. So that's

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Speaker 1: what our and pains all about. It's pushing anybody and everybody,

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Speaker 1: regardless of how you feel or look, to get things

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Speaker 1: checked out and make sure your hearts in the condition

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Speaker 1: you wanted to be in. Alright, very good, that's first

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Speaker 1: and goal Heart health dot Com. Kurt Warner, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, and we're glad we could share this career

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Speaker 1: highlight with you being on the Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it all, right, gentlemen. One thing that came up

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Speaker 1: in our conversation with a great Kurt Warner, a colleague

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Speaker 1: of us of ours, is was alluded to in the

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Speaker 1: interview um Matt was news to him that we got

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Speaker 1: colleague breaking news. I think you're right. Anyway, West every

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Speaker 1: week does his positional power rankings, and this week he's

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Speaker 1: very interesting. Well, you do this every week, there's some

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Speaker 1: type of power rankings. It's exciting. We used to do

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Speaker 1: ten cornerbacks got a little tedious and boring, so now

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Speaker 1: we try to do throw in some attributes. Last week

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Speaker 1: was top ten red zone threats. This week top ten

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Speaker 1: strongest all next week top ten readers. The ability to

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Speaker 1: read and we can rattle that off cognitively understand what

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Speaker 1: I already have a list in mind. Okay, good reading, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: novels and Jack Carol just read and can you take

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Speaker 1: that from the book? Ryan Tannehill definitely, just from the

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks. I think that's he's definitely the top arms

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Speaker 1: from West. Will do one through ten. Matthew Stafford, j Cutler,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton, big Ben, Andrew Luck

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Speaker 1: r G three and Blake Bortles. Blake Bartles at number ten.

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Speaker 1: So Wes tell us how you arrived at this well.

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Speaker 1: I think the first three is probably consensus around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You could throw Rodgers in there, you could, absolutely you could.

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Speaker 1: But I think those four, I guess, I would say

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Speaker 1: probably indisputable. Beyond that, I think Kaepernick and Newton obviously

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Speaker 1: Ben Luck kind of similar, and I think Bortles is

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Speaker 1: well right now, but Griffin's the man and Bortles. It's

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Speaker 1: weird because coming out of college he was supposedly didn't

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Speaker 1: and I totally agree with you. Yeah, Derek Carr was

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Speaker 1: rated by a lot of people is having the strongest

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah has written the Bortles actually has improved velocity

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Speaker 1: already just from working with NFL coaches. He gets his

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Speaker 1: lower body involved more now, and you can see that

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Speaker 1: he was led most categories in the preseason for most

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Speaker 1: throws down the field. Where is Colt McCoy on this list?

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Speaker 1: Was hold your son's namesake. How about do some homework

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Speaker 1: and watching the film your word, he would be there

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Speaker 1: for backyard quarterback. How about a little consternation as fun

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Speaker 1: and some heat between scientists downstairs, a little pop, a

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Speaker 1: little heat between West and Greg About Mr tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: He was fourth on the honorable mention list here, not

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Speaker 1: even like the top of the honorable mention list, behind

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Speaker 1: the likes of Derek Carr, Jake Lock, Derek Carr. Give

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Speaker 1: me a break, what have you seen that at Derek

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Speaker 1: tom Bradford, who has a knee only in theory at

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Speaker 1: this point, How did Tom Brady fall all the way

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Speaker 1: to Derek Carr. Sam Bradford hasn't actually thrown a pass

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Speaker 1: in the NFL in like four years. I haven't seen anything.

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Speaker 1: Got a Derek Carr. Well, that's funny because Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: hasn't thrown a pass over eight yards in four years.

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Speaker 1: He You're right that he hasn't been an effective vertical

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Speaker 1: passer for half a season or so. But when he

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Speaker 1: reaches back and throws those twenty five yard deep outs

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Speaker 1: I would put him ahead of Luck. I would put

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Speaker 1: him in the top. No way I would put him

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Speaker 1: ahead of Luck Wrestling, clearly playing to the boss on

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Speaker 1: some level, because I have an earlier draft that he

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Speaker 1: sent us over email. Tom Brady not mention in the

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Speaker 1: game curtain. I told Greg that I was gonna throw

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady on and I emailed our editor's desk throw

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady on the end of honorable Men, and Greg said,

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Speaker 1: don't do me any favors. Well, yes, I don't need

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Speaker 1: any sympathy when we can, when we can get NFL

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Speaker 1: legends like Derek Carr, Jake Locker and Sam Bradford today,

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Speaker 1: there's no this is this is how you know West

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Speaker 1: is trolling his boss that Tom Brady was not on

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Speaker 1: the original draft, but Tom Savage, who's not even a

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Speaker 1: real person, is He's on the list of backups with

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Speaker 1: strong arms. Your your argument falls apart when you have

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr there, because you have seen no proof that

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Speaker 1: that's true. Have you haven't seen where are the throws

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Speaker 1: in the last three weeks the preseason? Car Okay, come

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Speaker 1: on the Seahawks game in the preseason, big arm. I

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Speaker 1: don't I usually don't like when the science or but

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Speaker 1: this is this good rumbling and it's always because you're

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Speaker 1: sitting in the middle physically stirring the product. It's always

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Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable for you and I, but probably good

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Speaker 1: for the discussion. So continued for the audience at home.

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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, Okay, let's let's move on. No bad

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Speaker 1: blood between the group. That's it for today's edition to

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. You don't want to go

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Speaker 1: out with tension because here's the thing that people might

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Speaker 1: not understand about what we do. After we were up

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Speaker 1: here yelling at each other forty five minutes to an

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Speaker 1: hour straight, then we go back down stairs and sit

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Speaker 1: all together in a cube and continue to be around

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Speaker 1: each other. So we've gotta keep it, you know. Well,

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Speaker 1: we really we bunkle down and make fun of the

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Speaker 1: rest of the people in the newsroom. That's why it's

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Speaker 1: called Around the NFL. We're always around each other. Nailed

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Speaker 1: it on that note. Let's get out on that note,

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Speaker 1: kids at home, run uh signing off. This is Dan

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Speaker 1: hansis for the Sizzler, the Mailman, the Boss and Tod

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Speaker 1: eight behind the Glass Until Thursday Night,