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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Pro Bowl edition of

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy Flex on the Action Network podcast. I'm Matthew Freeman,

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Speaker 1: the editor in chief of Fantasy Lapse, part of the

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Speaker 1: Action Network. In this episode, we're breaking down I can't

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Speaker 1: believe I'm saying this. We're breaking out the Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: from a sports betting and DFS perspective with me two

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Speaker 1: good looking guys. I gotta say, I'm looking at you. Maybe, guys,

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Speaker 1: you're not as busy as you normally are, so maybe

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Speaker 1: you shower today. I'm joined by Sean Corner and Chris Raybond.

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Speaker 1: Shawn is our director of predictive Analytics and one of

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Speaker 1: the top end season fantasy football rankers for the past

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Speaker 1: half decade, and Chris is a senior editor and analyst

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Speaker 1: at the Action Network and a co host the Action

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Speaker 1: Network show on Serio, SAX and Fantasy Radio. Of course, Sean,

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Speaker 1: I have to say that Chris finished higher than you

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Speaker 1: in the Fantasy Pros ranking contest this year. He finished

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Speaker 1: top five. You were I think only in the top twenty,

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Speaker 1: which is super embarrassing. Of course, I was like outside

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Speaker 1: of the top forty. So I'll just get to the

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Speaker 1: rest of the show. Guys. Let's talk about the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And it's this weird situation where right now I'm coming

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Speaker 1: through the different sports books. I'm looking at DraftKings and

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Speaker 1: FanDuel and there's nothing. There's nothing posted on this game.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to have more of a high level

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Speaker 1: conversation about how we're approaching the Pro Bowl in terms

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Speaker 1: of sports betting, in terms of DFS. Guys, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing doing good?

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Speaker 4: It's almost like this probo game doesn't exist.

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Speaker 5: I resure that it's actually going to be played. It's

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Speaker 5: really weird to be saying here midweek and not have

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Speaker 3: Or betting lines. So I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Sean is like in here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, let's be clear, this is the degendaal. We're

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Speaker 4: the only people really worried about it right now, but

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you, like, by the end of the week,

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Speaker 4: Draftkingscandal will have contest posted. And you know, I think

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Speaker 4: sportsbooks they're just waiting for these rosters to be finalized.

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Speaker 4: We're still getting people being replaced even today. So once

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Speaker 4: the rosters are finalized, I think we'll see lines for

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing it'll be like a pick them with an

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Speaker 4: over runner of like fifty. I remember the days the

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Speaker 4: Freedman has some insights on you know, the rule changes

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Speaker 4: caused this shift? Why is it lower scoring these days?

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Speaker 4: But I'm guessing the totally closer to fifty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and I should say I I buried the lead.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're going to talk to him about the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, but this is really the Sean Versus his

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Speaker 1: Dad Bowl, at least, this is the podcast where we're

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Speaker 1: going to have on I don't know if it's too

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Speaker 1: much to say the King Maker, because this is the

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Speaker 1: guy who sort of from the time that Sean was

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Speaker 1: a Fantasy Force Kim Corner. We're going to have him

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. This format is so crazy. People think of

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Speaker 1: this as an all star game, as a normal football game,

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Speaker 1: Raymond is going to write up a breakdown for this

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Speaker 1: game later and he will probably hit on a lot

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Speaker 1: of the things that kind of differentiate the Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: defenses can't blit. The offense has to have at least

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Speaker 1: of the wild things that we see year in and

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Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen game. Full back, that's right, full back

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yuschek led all backs in fantasy scoring with fifty

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Speaker 1: This is the wild stuff that we see in the

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Speaker 4: randomss rings, I don't really think that constitutes a bet. Now,

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Speaker 4: I already made projections for every player in this game.

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Speaker 4: like these full back types. Raybon has a really good

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Speaker 4: take on this. But these full back type players do

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Speaker 4: So hopefully we'll see some contests. There's no real salary cap,

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Speaker 4: is going to be an edge if you play GVP's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get into the I mean, let's just

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Speaker 1: more casual. Raybon, can you talk about the best ways

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Speaker 1: in which you think people should probably be approaching this slate,

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Speaker 1: because there are some clear trends from what we've seen

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Speaker 1: historically in how different positions get their points. I mean, hold, like,

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Speaker 5: but since it's the Pro Bowl podcast, I just swept

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Speaker 1: I don't spicy today, Raybon, Like, I mean, oh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm excited here. I'm just waiting for Ken

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Speaker 5: But if we must discuss the Pro Bowl, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Sean alluded to it. The tighten anyone the less you

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Speaker 5: the AFC. Of course, the Raven's fullback wholts to play

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Speaker 5: So that is how you play dfs. Just pick big

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Speaker 4: Actually, we had some breaking news. C J. Ham has

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Speaker 4: been added to the NFC roster. Yes, so I mean load.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not even lying when I say this. Like

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Speaker 1: half of the rushing touchdowns that have been scored in

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Speaker 1: Let's give him a touchdown. And the market when.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Recard plays defense too. I think they'll make a

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Speaker 4: Rogers was just replaced by Kirk Cousins even better, exactly

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Speaker 3: Luck, I would say five out of those six guys

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Speaker 5: A fair amount, yeah, with what being except and none

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Speaker 5: Honestly, the worst they were during the regular season probably

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Speaker 3: It's hard to really get a read.

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Speaker 1: to move away from him. Just something to keep in mind.

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Speaker 4: And also, just real quick, they announced that Kenny Galladay

437
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Speaker 4: replaced Chris Godwin.

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Speaker 5: Nice same type of receiver though, I think the first time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good for good for baby Tron. All right,

440
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the tight ends here. I don't even

441
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Speaker 1: know who's in this game besides Mark Andrews and zach Ertz.

442
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Speaker 1: But I don't I don't think it matters. Like tight

443
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Speaker 1: end is where you want to invest the most because

444
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Speaker 1: there are only two of them. At least one of

445
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Speaker 1: them has to be on the field at all times,

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Speaker 1: so you might have some some plays where you have

447
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Speaker 1: two tight ends on the field. These guys are going

448
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Speaker 1: to be matched up against either a linebacker or a safety,

449
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Speaker 1: you know, like, so they can't the defense can't put

450
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Speaker 1: an extra cornerback out there who can actually sort of

451
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Speaker 1: cover this guy the way that he maybe should be covered.

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Speaker 1: So it's a perfect scenario for these tight ends. And

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Speaker 1: so I think you want to be heavily invested at

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Speaker 1: this position. And historically they produced just as well, if

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Speaker 1: not better than the wide receivers. Sean, what do you

456
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Speaker 1: think here?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm kind of confused. How zach Ertz the

458
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 4: only tight end on the Ross Rain. I wasn't he

459
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Speaker 4: dealing with like a last ray kidney and broken ribs

460
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Speaker 4: two weeks ago?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

462
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Speaker 4: Like he's healthy enough to playing this game just.

463
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Speaker 1: The postseason man like that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was wrestling up for the Pro Bowl, got it?

465
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Speaker 4: But yeah, like they just they just added Jack Doyle,

466
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Speaker 4: so he's obviously gonna be on every one of my teams.

467
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Speaker 4: But yeah, Mark Andrews is gonna be a beast in

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Speaker 4: this game. I mean we always, you know, say, his

469
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 4: snap counts were pretty loadering there, but I think he'll see,

470
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Speaker 4: you know, enough snaps in this game make a big dent.

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Speaker 4: So I think I love Mark Andrews here. I just

472
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Speaker 4: I can't get behind Zach Ertz. I do, you know,

473
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Speaker 4: like playing tight ends. But they're gonna have to add

474
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Speaker 4: somebody else, whoever the NFC ads to play with her.

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Speaker 4: I think will be the guy to target for the NFC.

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Speaker 4: I just don't see them giving Ertz that many targets

477
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Speaker 4: just given as health right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Yeah, the second tight end for

479
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Speaker 1: the NFC. Yeah, I think that's great. Ray Bond, any

480
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: thoughts here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like Andrews too.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at the box score from last year. Kiddo

483
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 5: was the number two receiver for the NFC, Hooper was

484
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Speaker 5: the number three in terms of yardage. Hooper got the

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Speaker 5: only receiving touchdown for the NFC, and then for the AFC,

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Speaker 5: Eric Ebron got the only one by an offensive player.

487
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Speaker 5: Because Ramsey got the other one, and and then Jared

488
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Speaker 5: Cook was with third with seventy one yards.

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Speaker 1: So this is I mean, this is this is perfect.

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Speaker 4: Well I'm looking at the NFC. I think the replacement

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Speaker 4: would be Hooper, right.

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Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that'd be pretty cool.

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hooper would be the it would be the one

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Speaker 3: I would my.

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Speaker 1: I'm guys, this is good. We're gonna to bring on

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Speaker 1: the king Maker. And we are joined by Shawn's dad,

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Speaker 1: Ken Corner, a thirty five year veteran of fantasy football. Ken,

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Speaker 1: how's it going?

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Speaker 2: Very nice? Good morning, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have you on the show, especially for

502
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: an episode like this where it's the Pro Bowl and

503
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: we can kind of celebrate, and I mean it's an

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Speaker 1: all star occasion, and I think that Sean, of course

505
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: is an all star, So it's great to have you

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Speaker 1: on the show. Can you talk a little bit about

507
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Speaker 1: how you got into fantasy sports and then how you

508
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Speaker 1: got Sean into fantasy sports.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you exactly how I got into fantasy

510
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: sports with Sean. It was a fairly natural progression. In

511
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five spring training, my brother Mike Kerner came

512
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: to me and asked me to pick a fantasy baseball team,

513
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: which I had never heard of. I'm married to Sean's mom, Elaine,

514
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: I've got a six month son. We're both working full time,

515
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: and I'm watching MTV as my go to. I was

516
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: enjoying this new channel which would actually play music videos,

517
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: and I was much more interested in that. My brother said,

518
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: you're going to pick a fantasy baseball team and I said, no,

519
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 2: I'm not, and he said, yes you are, and I said, no,

520
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm not. Well I did, and the scorekeeping for that

521
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: was very sketchy. I didn't even know how I was

522
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: doing in the fantasy baseball The season hadn't ended yet,

523
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: and he came to me and said, okay, now we're

524
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: going to pick fantasy football team. And I said, no,

525
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: I'm not, and he said, yes you are, and I

526
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: said okay. So I went and picked a fantasy football

527
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: team for the first time with a group of his friends.

528
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Speaker 2: We were all first timers. I don't remember too much

529
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: about it other than the moment in which I became

530
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: fascinated with fantasy sports. Was the last pick of that

531
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Speaker 2: draft was Mike mcshaney's brother said flippantly, I'll take the

532
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: rookie receiver out of Mississippi Valley State, Jerry Rice. From

533
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Speaker 2: then on, I was fascinated. I thought, how does this

534
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: guy come up with that? So I watched Jerry Rice

535
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: that year and it really didn't go very well for

536
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: him his rookie season. I think he had three touchdowns

537
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 2: and forty nine catches. He was Hunter Renfro. No, seriously,

538
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Speaker 2: So if you could imagine somebody spending six months dreaming

539
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: about getting Hunter Renfrow, That's what it was like. But

540
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: for some reason, I was fascinated and I wanted to

541
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Speaker 2: take fantasy football to my group of friends, and I

542
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Speaker 2: was going to get Jerry Rice, and it was took

543
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Speaker 2: off from there.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Ken, you're an OG fantasy football player, guess and

545
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 5: kind of playing today?

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Speaker 3: You know, what do you think has changed the most?

547
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Speaker 5: Just you know, obviously we have the Internet now, but

548
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 5: what do you think has changed the most? So when

549
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 5: you started playing fantasy, you know, a few decades ago to.

550
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: Now, Well, it's it's the Internet. And I feel like

551
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: a grandfather watching the moon landing. What you guys are

552
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: up to now I never thought was possible. Definitely the Internet.

553
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: Number one quantum leap in fantasy sport. We played season long,

554
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: that's all we had, and Head to Head came in

555
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: not too long after the Season long came out. But

556
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Best Ball tournaments and Millie Makers and DraftKings and Fan

557
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: Duel and the Action Network. I would have never guessed

558
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: that this would have happened, or I would have gotten

559
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: in on it a lot sooner.

560
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Speaker 4: There wasn't live scoring or anything after the week was over.

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Speaker 4: My dad had to hand calculate all the score you know,

562
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 4: he had to get the newspaper drop ads. You know,

563
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: you can talk about that, like how did people drop

564
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 4: ad back in the day.

565
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: Scoring for fantasy football in my league, and I'm sure

566
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: all others was done by hand. And my league was

567
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: based on the Los Angeles Times sports page. We would

568
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: watch games on Sunday and there was two games each

569
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: day all day. It was a full slate on Sunday

570
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: and one Monday night game. Thursday night football was not available.

571
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: There were no bye weeks, and ESPN was up and running,

572
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: and they of course loved the NFL. And Chris Berman

573
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: and Tom Jackson would recap the day's games and I

574
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: could you could get the final scores for each game

575
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: and they might flip some stats up, but if somebody

576
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: kicked the field goal, you wouldn't know how far field

577
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: goal was. And so I would wait and I would

578
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: get up in the early morning Monday morning, and then

579
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Times would fly over. I'd pick up the

580
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Times and I would start going through the scorekeeping.

581
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: I would have everybody's team on a piece of paper

582
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Speaker 2: and I would have to start adding up scores. Now

583
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: I had to wait for Monday night game to finish.

584
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: Get up Tuesday morning. The newspaper would fly over, I'd

585
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: pick it up, I'd complete the scoring, and that day

586
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: I would start making xerox copies of everybody's teams and

587
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: I would stuff envelopes and I'd put a stamp on it,

588
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: and they would get their final scores for that week.

589
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: On Thursday evening, after they got home from work, they

590
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: would find out how we did.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing now, and you can.

592
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Speaker 2: Imagine drop ads. If something came up and you needed

593
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: to swamp out a player or pay make up a player,

594
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: they would have to call me and I would answer

595
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: live on a landline. And if I'm not available, we

596
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: had an answering machine. A guy could call in and

597
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: want to drop ad somebody, but he wouldn't know if

598
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: somebody else had made the same drop ad. And how

599
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: do you then plug in a player that you might

600
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Speaker 2: not even own. They'd have to leave their lineups on

601
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: my answering machine Sunday morning. So it was rough. And

602
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 2: at one point I figured out to get a one

603
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: eight hundred line. It was a phone service, and I

604
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: could get everybody's calls would be timestamped, and also I

605
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: could leave a message, and so only coaches would have

606
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: that number. So if my mother called, she didn't have

607
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: to listen to me explaining the coaches all the transactions

608
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: that had gone by for that week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, at her house, Like if somebody would call, the

610
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: voice recording would blow throughout the whole house. So I

611
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: would hear, you know, at a young age, I would

612
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: hear his buddy Rocky turning in his team and being like,

613
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: I'm playing even though he friggin sucks. Is here Dan

614
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: Feutz at quarterback? I have no other options, Like I

615
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: could just hear the guys kind of going through setting

616
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: their lineup. So that was my first exposure. And yeah,

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00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: this is this is pre internet when people could to

618
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: submit their team. So my Dad had this whole process

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Speaker 4: figured out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's legendary, back in the days when being a

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Speaker 1: commission actually meant something. Ken, can you remember like a

622
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Speaker 1: time in particular, maybe the first time when Sewan expressed

623
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Speaker 1: interest in playing fantasy football or being in your league.

624
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Speaker 2: Sean was very interested in baseball, and for Christmas, I'd

625
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: give him a fantasy baseball magazine or we would we

626
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: were doing the trading cards there in nineteen ninety one,

627
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, we'd get a box of baseball trading cards.

628
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: And he and I have videotape, so I had a

629
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: video camera. I would videotape Christmas morning and Easter morning

630
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: and his birthday morning, and I've got videotape of Sean

631
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: reading of Dad. I got a Raphael Paul Merrow card,

632
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: and it just goes on and on and on. I

633
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 2: was talking to a gentleman just the other night who

634
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: I don't see very often, and he was in my

635
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: brother's original fantasy league, and he told me that one

636
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: year he couldn't make a draft, and he asked, can

637
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: Sean pick my NFL fantasy team for me? And I

638
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: said no, I forbade it. For some reason. I didn't

639
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: want Sean doing that that year. He must have been

640
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: ten years old or so, and I didn't think that

641
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: was appropriate. Well, if you've ridden a motorcycle or a

642
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: mini bike, you'll know that sometimes you get wobbly. You've

643
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: got your right hand on the throttle and you pull

644
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: back on the throttle to speed up, and if you

645
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: start to fall off and you don't let go of

646
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 2: the throttle, you'll just the bike will just start speeding

647
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: up and speeding up. You fall off, the motorcycle will

648
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 2: ghost ride in a perfectly straight line down the street

649
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: off to Infinity. And with Sean and I I fell

650
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: off that motorcycle some years ago, and Sean is ghost

651
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: riding straight down the street the levels I never imagined.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 5: And like, speaking of ghost riding, you know, I know

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Speaker 5: you guys would do when Sean was young.

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Speaker 4: You'd go to.

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Speaker 5: Vegas every year, and I think that's where you know

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Speaker 5: a lot of the guy we know today.

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Speaker 3: Sean the odds maker was kind of honing his craft.

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Speaker 5: So tell us a little about those four hour trips

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Speaker 5: to Vegas each year.

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Speaker 2: Well, I had one incident, well two incidents, and I

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Speaker 2: just repeated that here this just a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 2: I drove to Saint George, Utah. And when you're when

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Speaker 2: you leave Baker headed north towards Vegas, you come to

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Speaker 2: Hollering Summit and it's just a stretch of the fifteen

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Speaker 2: freeway and you come up over a peak, and when

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Speaker 2: you get up over that holler and Summit, you look

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Speaker 2: down and you see the road going down and back

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Speaker 2: up off in the distance. And Sean must have been

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Speaker 2: about ten then, and I said, hey, Sean, how far

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00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: away is that hill over there? Give me a mileage

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Speaker 2: of how far you think that is? In my mind,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was about five miles or so, and

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Speaker 2: he gave me a number that was much higher than that.

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Speaker 2: And I hit the odometer and I measured the distance

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Speaker 2: off into the horizon there, and when we got to

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Speaker 2: the top of that next peak, Sean had it to

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Speaker 2: the tenth of a mile. So if anybody drives north

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Speaker 2: on the fifteen, when you come over holler and Summit,

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Speaker 2: look off in the distance and you tell me how

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Speaker 2: far that is, and you it exactly to a tenth

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Speaker 2: of a mile. Try that it was also along those lines.

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Speaker 2: It's that thermometer in Baker Sean would start setting over underlines.

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Speaker 2: As we approached Baker, he'd come up with an over

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Speaker 2: under for what the temperature on the thermometer and Baker

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Speaker 2: would be. And to this day we do that every

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Speaker 2: time we go and every time we come back.

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Speaker 4: These days you have a weather app where you can

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Speaker 4: tell the temperature. Back then, we didn't have that luxury.

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Speaker 4: So that's right.

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Speaker 2: Sean was different and he was going to school. It's

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Speaker 2: my wife Kathy now told Sean, you need to follow

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Speaker 2: your passion, and when he graduated, he moved to Vegas.

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Speaker 4: It also goes back to a bit further. You know,

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Speaker 4: you'd always give me the fantasy football magazines, but then

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00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: you know there'd be times you thought I should be

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00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: doing homework and I was reading a fancy football magazine

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Speaker 4: and I'd get in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Believe me, you're still in trouble right.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, And not in a million years would be a career.

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Speaker 2: For a good twenty years. I really didn't have anybody

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00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: to talk fantasy sports with. Even the members of our

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00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: league when we get together throughout the year, they didn't

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00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: want to sit around and talk about fantasy football, and

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00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 2: fantasy football was considered you know, more of a geek

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Speaker 2: kind of a thing. And I just loved it. And

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00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: Sean was Sean would love to sit around and talk

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00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: about that stuff. And now I know you guys have

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00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: expanded on it and perfected it, and I'm curious to

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Speaker 2: see how far it will continue to ghost ride down

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Speaker 2: the street.

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Speaker 1: Was there ever a time where there was a conversation

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Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, Dad, I'm really thinking about doing

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Speaker 1: this thing and your mind explodes with like, what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about? This is a game, not a career choice.

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Speaker 2: It was very natural progression. He received a degree in

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00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: psychology and he told me, but I've taken probabilities and statistics.

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00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: He said, I'm moving to Las Vegas and I'm going

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00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: to work at a casino. After a year of that,

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Speaker 2: Sean said, all right, I'm out of here. And he

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00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: came back to southern California and he got a job

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Speaker 2: with the website roto Hog and I thought it was great,

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Speaker 2: and he explained to me what they do. They had

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00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: a stock market kind of system where you would pick

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00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: your fantasy players, and if you bought Drew Brees at

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00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: some value and more people, just like the stock market,

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00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: you bought Drew Brees low and his price went up.

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00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: You had a great pick there, and you'd proceed through

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Speaker 2: the season using Drew Brees and knowing that you got

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Speaker 2: him at a low price, or your player would lose

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Speaker 2: value and you had made a mistake. And that was

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Speaker 2: going very good with him, and he started winning awards

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Speaker 2: at the FSTA. This little story ends when Roto Hog

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Speaker 2: closed their doors and Sean was unemployed. He said, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I think I'm going to win baseball and football season

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Speaker 2: long projections at the FSTA convention in Vegas. But Rodo

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Speaker 2: Hog is not here to send me. And I said, Sean,

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Speaker 2: I got you covered, and I bought him a ticket

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Speaker 2: to that convention and he went up to the podium

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Speaker 2: he was handed the season long Football and season long

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Speaker 2: Baseball Projection awards and the speaker said, and by the way, folks,

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Speaker 2: he's a free agent. And Sean returned to his seat

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Speaker 2: with a couple business cards, inquiring Sean if he'd be

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00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: interested in working there, and if I'm not mistaken, he

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00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: chose Bloomberg Sports out of New York City. By now,

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Speaker 2: I am off the bike and Sean is on his.

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Speaker 3: Way Ken Corner.

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Speaker 5: Of course, we're talking Ken Corner, father of the odds

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Speaker 5: maker Sean Corner, and Ken, I got to ask you,

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Speaker 5: are you in any Leaves show.

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00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: On right now?

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00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: Yes. The NFL derby, which I started in nineteen eighty six,

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: has gone unbroken for thirty four years. We've definitely morphed

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00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: over the years from rotisserie style league to a head

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00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: to head league. Just about ten years ago. I think

756
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: I went to head to head and we've been making

757
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: tweaks all along. And this year the finals in our

758
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: twelve team league, top six make the championship bracket and

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00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: I worked my way through was the number one seed.

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00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: I had the New England Patriot defense playing against Sean

761
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: in the final game, and I'm favored to win and

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00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: Sean beat me. This was the first time we've had

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Speaker 2: a three time champion, Sean Corner, and he had won

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Speaker 2: the trophy several times prior to this. But it's getting

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Speaker 2: pretty bad. I think I'm going to have to vote

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Speaker 2: him out of the league here next year, so we'll

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Speaker 2: see how that goes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not bitter, though, Ken, this was fantastic having you

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Speaker 1: on final question here. I know Sean has his fancy

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Speaker 1: models and all of his ideas for how things are

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Speaker 1: going to play out. But I want from you the

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Speaker 1: player that you are most excited about for fantasy football

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I don't like to give away these secrets, but I

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00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: like dev I like Devo Samuel, and I'm sorry everybody

776
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: likes Deevo Samuel. You know who I like. You know

777
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: who I'm looking at, and I'm going to think for

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00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: the next six months thinking about this guy, just like

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Speaker 2: I did Jerry Rice is DK Metcalf Yep.

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Speaker 1: Nice, both of those. I love, both of those. Those

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Speaker 1: are great.

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Speaker 2: Throw Hunter renfro In that yeah.

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Speaker 1: Exactly nice, good Yeah. Keeping it all out West West

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00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: Coast biers Well.

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Speaker 2: I will be tuning into you guys throughout the off

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00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: season and definitely during next draft season, and I will

787
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: be trying to gather your opinions. I'm also curious about

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00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: how we're going to work with Keenan Allen next year

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00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: and what we're gonna do with the Frozen Pond. So seriously,

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Speaker 2: you guys, congratulations on your FSGA win for Best Sports

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00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: Betting App along with your FSGA award win for Best

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00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: Betting Podcast. It's unbelievable. Chris number four finish, excellent job.

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00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: Wait to go man.

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00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Ken, I really appreciate.

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Speaker 1: It all right, Jed, this was fantastic. Thanks for the

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Speaker 1: time and you take care.

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00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this episode. You can

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Speaker 1: follow Sean, Chris and Me and the Action Network ap

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