1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Karen, the rise in futures follows yesterday's selloff on Wall Street. 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: All three major indexes fell at least one and a 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: quarter percent. Risk assets took a breather after this month's 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: rally saw global stocks climb to their highest level of 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: the year. Alan Zapfron is a founding partner in co 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: CEO at IEQ Capital. 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 3: The market's probably a little bit ahead of itself with 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: full anticipation rate hikes are over cuts are coming, but 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: there's probably a bit too much near term enthusiasm. Albeit 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 3: the long term constructive view on the American economy. Rates 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: the same equities are part of a well diversified portfolio, 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 3: and you can't deny that you still need to have 16 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: some equity exposure. 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: I EQ Capitals. Alan Zaffren says overbought conditions also contributed 18 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: to yesterday selling well. 19 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Nathan helping give a lift to equities this morning, as 20 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: Micron Technology shares are up about six percent after the 21 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: company gave a strong revenue forecast for the current period. 22 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: We get the story from Bloomberg's Charley Pellet. 23 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 4: Micron is the largest American maker of memory semiconductors, and 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: the quarter indicates that data center demand is helping make 25 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 4: up for a slowly recovering market for PCs and smartphones. 26 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 4: Micron said fiscal second quarter revenue will be five point 27 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: one to five point five billion dollars. Now that compares 28 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: with an average analysestimate of four point nine to nine billion. 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 4: The outlook signals that Micron is through the worst of 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: an industry wide slump, a moving back toward profitability in 31 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 4: New York, Charlie Pellett Bloomberg Radio. 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: All right, Charlie, thank you, and other high tech companies 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: in the spotlight. 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 5: Today is the day. 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Apple plans to pull Series nine and Ultra two models 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 1: of its flagship smart watch from its online store. Apple 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: will also pull the watches from its physical retail locations 38 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve. This is because of a patent dispute 39 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: over technology that measures the amount of oxygen in a 40 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: user's blood. 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: Nathan. The US is reportedly considering raising tariffs on Chinese 42 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: electric cars. Bloomberg's Amy Morris has the details from Washington. 43 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 6: The Biden administration has for the most part left the 44 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 6: trompera tariffs in place on about three hundred billion dollars 45 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 6: of Chinese goods. Now, the White House is considering more 46 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 6: levies on evs and solar products. The Wall Street Journal 47 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 6: reports the US wants to limit reliance on China, which 48 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 6: has become a global powerhouse in electric cars, while shielding 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 6: its own green industry. A bipartisan group of lawmakers earlier 50 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 6: this month recommended raising tariffs on goods from China and 51 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 6: restricting investment in the country. China says raising tariffs would 52 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 6: undermine the security of the global supply chain. In Washington, 53 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 6: Amy Morris Bloomberg Radio. 54 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: All right, Amy, thank you. Now let's get to the 55 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: latest from the Middle East. The US continues to urge 56 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: Israel to move its war with Hummas from a large 57 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: scale assault to a more targeted operation in Gaza, but 58 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Antony Blincoln says there's been too much 59 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: focus on calls for just Israel to end the war. 60 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 7: There seems to be silence on what Humas could do, 61 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 7: should do, must do if we want to, and the 62 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 7: suffering of innocent men, women and children. It would be 63 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 7: I think good if the world could unite around that 64 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 7: proposition as well. 65 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: The Secretary Blinken spoke as Israel's military says it's uncovered 66 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: a major Hamas command center in the heart of Gaza City. 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: The top Hamas leader is in Egypt for talks on 68 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: a new ceasefire and hostage prisoner exchanges with Israel. 69 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: Well Nathan Yemen's Houthi rebels say they will continue targeting 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: ships in the Red Sea, despite US moves to build 71 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: an international naval task force to protect trade in the region. 72 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: The Iran backed group also warrant it's willing to retaliate 73 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: at the US attack who the bases, signaling possible for 74 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: their escalation. Senior White House Advisor for Energy and Investment 75 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: Almos Hakstein says the BODI and administration is focused on 76 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: defensive action. 77 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 8: The United States has joined now in a coalition of 78 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 8: approximately ten countries already in making sure that there are patrols, surveillance, 79 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 8: patrols of aircraft and ships, and to take defensive measures 80 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 8: if needed. We continue to have other conversations with allies 81 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 8: to ensure that we have a coalition, and reason for 82 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 8: that is because this is not a US concern, this 83 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 8: is a global markets concern. 84 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: And Almos Hakstein spoke to Bloomberg after the US and 85 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: UK Navy shot down fifteen drones launch from who decontrolled 86 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: areas of Yemen over the weekend. 87 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: Back home, on the political front, Caaren Donald Trump's legal 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: team is urging the Supreme Court to hold off on 89 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: intervening in his election obstruction case. We get that story 90 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg's Ed Baxter. 91 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 5: This is the case brought by Special counsel Jack Smith, 92 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 5: saying Trump conspire to overturn the twenty twenty election. Smith 93 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 5: requested the consideration of Trump's immunity claim, seeking to ensure 94 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 5: the trial can start on March fourth. Trump's lawyers are 95 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 5: arguing there has not been identification of a compelling reason 96 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 5: for the quote's extraordinary haste he proposes. Trump has long 97 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 5: said he wants the cases put off until after the 98 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four election. This is the first Trump criminal 99 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 5: case to hit the Supreme Court, and the court could 100 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: rule as early as this week whether it will hear it. 101 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 5: Ad Baxter Bloomberg Radio, All. 102 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: Right, Ed, thank you, Let's turn to some company news. 103 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: Toyota Motor is recalling about one million vehicles sold in 104 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: the US that are at risk of having passenger side 105 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: airbags failed to deploy properly due to a passenger seat 106 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: sensor issue. They affect some Toyota and Lexus brand Sedan's. 107 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: Toyota also said subsidiary Daihatsu Motors offices were rated over 108 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: a safety scandal, and Toyota shares dropped four percent in Asia. 109 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: And Karen, A mega media deal maybe in the works. 110 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News has learned Warner Brothers Discoveries held talks on 111 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: a possible merger with Paramount Global. A combination would unite 112 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: the Paramount and Warner Brothers film and TV studios and 113 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: put a number of PayTV and broadcast stations, including HBO 114 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: and CBS, under a single roof. This is Bloomberg, all. 115 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: Right, Nathan, Thanks time now for a look at some 116 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: of the other stories making news around the world, and 117 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 2: for that we're joined by Bloomberg's Amy Morris. 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 6: Amy, Good morning, Good morning, Karen. All ten Americans who 119 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 6: were detained in Venezuela and exchanged in a prisoner swap 120 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 6: are now back on US soil. Ambassador Roger Carstons flew 121 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 6: with some of the freed Americans from Venezuela to Texas. 122 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 8: There were so Obviously the rumors that things might be happening, 123 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 8: but I think it wasn't real until someone came to 124 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 8: their cell this morning and said, you follow me. 125 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 6: Six of the Americans landed at Joint Base San Antonio 126 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 6: last night. They'll be evaluated at the Brooke Army Medical Center. 127 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 6: If next year's presidential election comes down to President Biden 128 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 6: and former President Trump, a new poll indicates Americans are divided, Bloomberg. 129 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 6: Scott car explains. 130 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 9: Quinnipiac poll Wednesday showed in a head to head matchup, 131 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 9: forty seven percent of respondents supported President Biden, while forty 132 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 9: six percent supported Donald Trump. Polster for the College Tim 133 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 9: molloy says that's a statistical tie. But in a three 134 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 9: way race with third party candidate Robert F. Kennedy Junior, 135 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 9: Biden's support fell to thirty eight percent, Trump's to thirty 136 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 9: six percent, as Kennedy Junior drew twenty two percent, pulling 137 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 9: from the support base of both Biden and Trump. 138 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 7: Any of the pulling gun has shown that America is 139 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 7: like another alternative to Biden and Trump. 140 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 10: He maybe he may not be, but he's showing up 141 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 10: with a good number. 142 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 9: Scott Carr, Bloomberg radio. 143 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 6: In Boston, Mayor Michelle Wu has officially acknowledged and apologized 144 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 6: for the harm caused to the black community decades ago 145 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 6: when a man told police that his wife had been 146 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 6: shot by a black man, but it turned out he 147 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 6: had orchestrated the killing himself. Alan Swanson and Willie Bennett 148 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 6: were wrongfully arrested for that crime. 149 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 11: There was no evidence that a black man had committed 150 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 11: this crime, but that didn't matter because the story was 151 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 11: one that confirmed and exposed the beliefs that so many shared. 152 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 6: The families accepted the mayor's apology, calling it a personal triumph. 153 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 6: Several hundred families in Oklahoma City could lose their homes 154 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 6: over the holidays. They're given only five days notice and 155 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 6: then forty eight hours to get out amy cold try 156 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 6: and with housing authority. Shelter Well says women face the 157 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 6: brunt of those short term evictions. 158 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 12: Sixty one percent of those facing eviction are women, and 159 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 12: seventy one percent of those are households with children. 160 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 6: State Senator Julia Kurt has introduced a bill giving families 161 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 6: ten extra days to resolve those issues so they can 162 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 6: avoid eviction. Global News twenty four hours a day and 163 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 6: whenever you want it. With Bloomberg News Now, I may 164 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 6: Nee Morrison. 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Time now for the Bloomberg Sport Update, 175 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: Here's John Stashauer John. 176 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 13: Karon was National Signing Day in college football. Though rich 177 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 13: get Richard, Georgia said to have had the best recruiting class, 178 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 13: Three of the top twelve players in the country head 179 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 13: into Athens. Twenty of Georgia's recruits a four star and 180 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 13: a defensive back who's considered a five star was going 181 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 13: to go to Florida State. Change his mind. We'll go 182 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 13: to Georgia, Florida State, and Georgia will play next week 183 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 13: and the Orange Bowl, Ohio State able to keep top 184 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 13: wide receiver Jeremiah Smith, who had said to be waivering. 185 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 13: College basketball, Yukon was ranked fifth. I FEDY national champs 186 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 13: were ten to one with four wins over top fifteen 187 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 13: teams and three over top ten teams, but the Huskies 188 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 13: upset lost at Seaton Hall seventy five to sixty. NBA 189 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 13: saw Philadelphia beat Minnesota one twenty seven to one thirteen. 190 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 13: The Timberwolves leave the West. It's just their second loss 191 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 13: in the last eleven games. For six Ers MVP Joe 192 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 13: lmbing fifty one points seventeen of twenty five from the field, 193 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 13: seventeen of eighteen from the free throw line. Lakers hoisted 194 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 13: that championship battle when they won that in season tournament. 195 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 13: Since they did that, they're one and four. They lost 196 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 13: at Chicago Lebron James in defeat twenty five points, just 197 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 13: an assist, shy of a triple double. The next beat 198 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 13: the Nets, they had lost their last six games in Brooklyn, 199 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 13: was one twenty one to oneh two. The Celtics won 200 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 13: at Sacramento one forty four till one nineteen. They did 201 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 13: it without Jason Tatum. Capitol scored in overtime beat the 202 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 13: Islanders three to two. The Mets have acquired pitcher Adrian 203 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 13: Helser from Milwaukee Johns Stashewer. Bloomberg Sports. 204 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 10: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 205 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 10: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syriasxam, the Bloomberg Business 206 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 10: Appen Bloomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 207 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 5: Good morning. 208 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm Nathan Hager, headed to the Thursday morning open. Futures 209 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: are on the rise, but global stocks have been taking 210 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: a bit of a breather from this month's rally that's 211 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: pushed equities to their highest levels of the year. Investors 212 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: maybe dialing back some optimism about the FED cutting in 213 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: interest rates early next year. For more, We're joined by 214 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Critty Gupta Critty, Good morning. It almost looks like 215 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: the Santa Claus rally got pulled forward just a bit. 216 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Is that how things look to you? 217 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 12: Yeah, it does actually kind of look like that, except 218 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 12: now you're staring need to see the consequences of that decision, 219 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 12: which is simply that you are going to see a 220 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 12: bit of a selloff going into perhaps the new year. 221 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 12: Remember January is seasonally a lower performing month right next 222 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 12: to September, after the summer rally that we tend to see. 223 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 12: So the natural pullback is already existing. But someone argue 224 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 12: that this isn't necessarily a market narrative that we're seeing. 225 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 12: This is really a positioning story, because not only do 226 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 12: the Santa rally get pulled forward, but some of the data, 227 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 12: some of the rate cut narrative, and of course the 228 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 12: market's anticipation of what Shairpow was going to say in 229 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 12: his last press conference actually did a lot of the 230 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 12: work for some of the bowls in the market. 231 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions still, though, isn't there about 232 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: whether we are going to get a soft landing next year. 233 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: A lot of analysts are thinking that a recession is 234 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: still in the forecast. I mean, what could that mean 235 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: for stock setting into twenty twenty four. 236 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 12: Well, that's part of actually the case for a rate cut. 237 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 12: So if you actually look at what people are saying, 238 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 12: the last time a rate cut had actually happened prior 239 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 12: to COVID, it was in twenty nineteen. It was during 240 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 12: the Trump era. We were talking about a trade war 241 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 12: really upending global trade, and that was one Chair Powell 242 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 12: of all people, by the way, said we're actually going 243 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 12: to cut rates, not because we need to, but because 244 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 12: we might need to in the future. The idea of 245 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 12: an insurance cut, and that's exactly what the market is 246 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 12: saying is going to happen again. That it's not going 247 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 12: to be a question of does the economy hit a recession, 248 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 12: but do we start to go in that direction? And 249 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 12: Chair Powell in this peers at the FMC actually say 250 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 12: we see it coming, We're going to act very quickly, 251 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 12: and we're going to basically ensure ourselves cut rates. That 252 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 12: postpone some sort of turn down. But a lot of 253 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 12: pushback against that narrative is that recessions don't happen gradually. 254 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 12: They happened very quickly and all at once, and the 255 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 12: data deteriorates very very quickly, and the Federal Reserve naturally 256 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 12: is data driven, so one data point may not be 257 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 12: enough of a canary of the coal mine for them 258 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 12: to catch it. 259 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: Well, we are going to get a pretty significant, well 260 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: a couple of pretty significant data points even before the 261 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: end of this year. We got GDP coming out and 262 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: the Feds for Ferred inflation gauge tomorrow. I mean, what 263 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of volatility could we be looking at depending on 264 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: how those indicators turn out. 265 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 12: Yeah, well, a lot of volatility. Because it's not just 266 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 12: about the economic data itself. It's also about the geopolitics. 267 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 12: And here's why this really matters. Of course, the war 268 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 12: in the Middle East is going to be a big 269 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 12: part of that equation. One of the big fears. I 270 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 12: imagine what Chair Powell's worst nightmare is going to be 271 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 12: is some sort of tick up in inflation. Where does 272 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 12: that tick up come from, Nathan, It comes from potentially commodities, 273 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 12: It comes from wages. It also comes from a sort 274 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 12: of geopolitical conflict that is long lasting. So if you 275 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 12: start to see more of a read through into commodity 276 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 12: prices or more of a read through into shipping costs, 277 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 12: all eventually, if it lasts long enough, translates into prices 278 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 12: for the American consumer. You're already seeing that with some 279 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 12: of the shipping companies actually rally leating, the stocks actually 280 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 12: higher because they can pass on those costs. That is 281 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 12: all inflationary, and that's going to really upend any of 282 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 12: this dubvish narrative that the Chair is really setting right now. 283 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: So the market participants that you're talking to as we 284 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: watch these ships you're around Africa to get around the 285 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: way of the Red Sea. I mean, how do you 286 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: play this well? 287 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 12: I mean the question of the day is how do 288 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 12: you hedge it? And for so long the only people 289 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 12: we are hedging it and using the US dollar. But Nathan, 290 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 12: going into an election year, that is especially a trade 291 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 12: that could go to hour very very quickly in terms 292 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 12: of what the hedge actually is. People are buying back 293 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 12: into commodities because at the end of the day, most 294 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 12: of the trade that happens in the Red Sea is 295 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 12: oil related. So if you start to see oil prices 296 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 12: get higher as a function of higher tanker rates, higher 297 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 12: insurance rates of the shipping equation, that is all going 298 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 12: to push oil prices higher as well. The reason you're 299 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 12: not seeing that in the market right now is because 300 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 12: most of it is actually kind of cushioned by the 301 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 12: OPEQ plus supply narrative. But then hey, take a look 302 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 12: at what you're seeing in the US benchmark, and that 303 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 12: move is actually more substantial. 304 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: What's the bull case for stocks next year given so 305 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: much of the uncertainty that we still have. 306 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 12: The ballcase is simply if the resilience lasts even longer, 307 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 12: and you'll remember that a good chunk of the stock 308 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 12: rally has really been what a lot might call a 309 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 12: magnificent seven, which has really been a function of the 310 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 12: AI frenzy. So now you have to see a lot 311 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 12: of people deliver on it. Nathan, there is historical precedent 312 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 12: for this when cloud was the buzzword a couple of 313 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 12: years ago, where Oracle, Alphabet, Microsoft, we're all kind of 314 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 12: competing for being the title of kind of the king 315 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 12: of the cloud. And I think what's really important here 316 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 12: is that Microsoft really came out and won out on 317 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 12: that business because they were able to deliver. 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