Speaker 1: And the problem me is you just can't be poor
Speaker 1: to live in that l anymore. That day is coming
Speaker 1: to a quick, quick, quick, quick end. And when you
Speaker 1: can't be poor there, gangs will no longer be available there.
Speaker 1: So normally you always be on my head, Pete, because
Speaker 1: I never tell you what we talked about ahead of time.
Speaker 1: Was this still ain't ahead of time. I usually just
Speaker 1: kind of let the conversation happen and then like you're
Speaker 1: just be like, Okay, well we're just talking, because that's
Speaker 1: really it. No, I'll tell you what it really is.
Speaker 1: What it really is is he turns all the lights
Speaker 1: off in the room and puts a bear trap in
Speaker 1: the middle of the room, and then I walk into
Speaker 1: a dark and get my foot caught, and then we
Speaker 1: start the podcast. That's really how we go. But because
Speaker 1: most of the time I realized I was telling Kingdom,
Speaker 1: I was telling king that a podcast ain't really an interview,
Speaker 1: it's just a conversation. The first time I did a podcast,
Speaker 1: as I did The Brilliant Idiots, and um, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what the fun was going on. Charlotte Magne was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: come through my podcast, and I'm like, what he's like?
Speaker 1: Just come through. It's like it's like radio and I'm like, okay, whatever.
Speaker 1: So I jump out on them somewhere else in New
Speaker 1: York and they were just talking ship and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: this is just weird. So they like introdug blasses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, you like just jump in and I'm
Speaker 1: so we're just talking ship and yeah. Yeah. It was
Speaker 1: just crazy as hell. And once we left, right I
Speaker 1: looked at the Breakfast Club interview and it had so
Speaker 1: many views. But then I looked at the Brilliant Idiots
Speaker 1: podcast views and it was like people was blowing my
Speaker 1: Twitter up talking about content. I'm like, what the funk
Speaker 1: is going on? And that was like my introduction of podcast. Um.
Speaker 1: I think Joe Budden's kind of was podcasting on tour,
Speaker 1: probably in like two thousand eleven and twelve, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know what the funk he was doing. But the
Speaker 1: first time I heard the title, it was with Brilliant Idiots, Um,
Speaker 1: so I thought that was crazy, But no sailors um
Speaker 1: glasses low my boy Peter as usual king on the
Speaker 1: Engineering Ship and um, my brother, my boy guilty man,
Speaker 1: guilty is my partner man, Guilty of cold player man,
Speaker 1: cold real smart, savvy businessman man. He's smart. But what
Speaker 1: I always liked about Guilty was he's still always with street,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think street has
Speaker 1: a negative connotation, but when you come from poverty, I
Speaker 1: think being street is so imperative. It's just like hip
Speaker 1: hop me. I mean, it's like jaywalking. It's it's how
Speaker 1: you get things done. So I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1: It's the deal thog gil oh Man out here trying
Speaker 1: to get back wiggling and open the world back up,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to pick out and uh see what's
Speaker 1: going on, See how we're gonna survive and thrive, and
Speaker 1: uh look for what's around that bend with with all
Speaker 1: the changes that are happening in music and in retail
Speaker 1: and the other areas that it affects me directly and financially. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I think like one of the one of
Speaker 1: the primary things that I'm hoping everybody was taking from
Speaker 1: the situation in this last world is that you you
Speaker 1: gotta have you gotta be standing on five feet, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that, because if they sweep one, two,
Speaker 1: three out from underneath you, you you can still stand for
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: haven't been uh investing or trying to develop different streams
Speaker 1: of income. And this year what they did is they
Speaker 1: knocked their feet out from under them, and then they
Speaker 1: gave him a chair to sit in, and they say, Okay,
Speaker 1: now here you go. You know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: don't need your legs because we got you. You can
Speaker 1: lean on us, you know, and we're gonna get you
Speaker 1: through this. And I think that's a I think that
Speaker 1: any time you you you allow somebody, you know, that's
Speaker 1: like you don't take you don't take something from somebody
Speaker 1: in the penitentiary. You know what I'm saying, All money
Speaker 1: and good money, you know what I'm saying, some things
Speaker 1: ain't for your benefit, you know, it's just to wrap
Speaker 1: you up in the debt, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so I think that that's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: that going on. And so with that being said me
Speaker 1: personally and just coming out of this whole situation, what
Speaker 1: I took from it is that I need to, you know,
Speaker 1: I need to make sure that the I got as
Speaker 1: many things going on, as many things cracking and bubbling
Speaker 1: and lucrative as possible teaching that to the young homies
Speaker 1: and anybody watching and listening or trying to learn from me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But man, that's that's that's
Speaker 1: that's the mode. That's that's what I'm on for a sure,
Speaker 1: night and day, day and night. I mean, you've never
Speaker 1: been a pimp? What's that? You ever been a pimp?
Speaker 1: I've done things, I've done all kinds. You talk like
Speaker 1: a pimp. I was ready to give you the money
Speaker 1: on my right now because I was like, just Nick
Speaker 1: trying to break me. What the funk? I'm not no
Speaker 1: motherfucking procecute. That was the tightest ever description of the
Speaker 1: flaw with the whole close you down and bail you out.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't even print I don't even want
Speaker 1: to ask you how COVID went because you just nigga.
Speaker 1: We don't even need to do the rest of the
Speaker 1: podcast this reader's digest. So in other words, you're not
Speaker 1: working with Delta. What's that Delta? Delta? You know? My
Speaker 1: my thing is that I believe that these variants are
Speaker 1: gonna keep coming, these strains are gonna keep coming, because
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to put our back to the wall
Speaker 1: on this virus. You know what I mean, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I don't really know the why because my heart don't
Speaker 1: work with that kind of evil. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That it takes to do the kind of things that
Speaker 1: that that are that are taking place in the world
Speaker 1: right now, you know what I mean. So I can't
Speaker 1: even really focus on the why so much as what
Speaker 1: and how and how does it affect me? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, um, I'll tell you this. I've
Speaker 1: been touching money this whole time, dog, and I've been
Speaker 1: I ain't been licking windows or you know, doing eating
Speaker 1: gum off the ground or anything. But but I but
Speaker 1: I ain't really been running around in a rubber suit neither,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I've been living my
Speaker 1: life and I've been doing my thing, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been just trusting. And you know, my girl is
Speaker 1: real good about smoothies and vitamins in the morning. She
Speaker 1: loves me. She treats me like it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We get because nice sleep, We go laying
Speaker 1: a rock or go lay on a rock, get some sunshine.
Speaker 1: We do all the things that I believe my body
Speaker 1: is needs in order for me to be the strongest
Speaker 1: that it needs to be for whatever is out there
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, whether it be COVID or Delta
Speaker 1: haters or hate or anything else that you up against.
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying, I get exactly what you I
Speaker 1: got in the first five seconds. But nigga, your detail
Speaker 1: is spectacular spectacular. Um. So Pete was tripping right, Um,
Speaker 1: it's all this crazy ship going on in the streets
Speaker 1: right now. Like right, it's a ton of gang wars
Speaker 1: and ship in the l a um, A lot of
Speaker 1: crazy shit happening, you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always crazy shit happening, but I guess
Speaker 1: it feels a little bit more crazier. But it's probably not. Um.
Speaker 1: But somebody asked me the other day, it was like, gee, like, man,
Speaker 1: what do you think it's wrong with gangs. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, gangs is a response to like oppression and poverty.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's just a typical response for people
Speaker 1: don't feel like you're giving them a fair shot to
Speaker 1: get ahead. Um, at least from from from our angle. Um.
Speaker 1: But he was like, you know, what's changed. Something's changed,
Speaker 1: And I realize most people are not growing up in
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods or in the area or the sections of
Speaker 1: which place they are claiming. It's like, motherfucker's is going
Speaker 1: on the college campus tour through different sets. What's because
Speaker 1: of black flight? In Los Angeles? People don't talk about
Speaker 1: black flight. Flight is a real thing that's happening, and
Speaker 1: so exactly right, So you have people you're laughing, well,
Speaker 1: that's the real thing. People get the funk out of here.
Speaker 1: But people is leaving right in. But people are like
Speaker 1: joining sections and they didn't grow up in that sector
Speaker 1: at all. So they come and they're like they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, which which sector do I want to be
Speaker 1: a part of? And that's just the weirdest thing to me,
Speaker 1: because like, how do you how are you willing to
Speaker 1: kill and die for something or somebody you don't really know?
Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of the fundamental
Speaker 1: core values as these generations is because when you haven't
Speaker 1: grown up, like you said, shoulder the shoulder with somebody
Speaker 1: and seen him through the best and the worst, it's
Speaker 1: real hard to go do that, do that dime, real
Speaker 1: just go hard. It's real hard to go ahead and
Speaker 1: risk this life, risk this time for this person when
Speaker 1: you don't even you haven't even really developed that kind
Speaker 1: of a relationship with him. But because it's a lot
Speaker 1: of its plastic and surface and social media and everything else,
Speaker 1: it's really just the image and you know, claiming the
Speaker 1: fame and fucking holes and looking good. Yeah. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I saw you on Live earlier this week talking about this,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to dive into your lives. It's
Speaker 1: all good. But and something I've father mentioned this a
Speaker 1: long time for there's not money on the block like
Speaker 1: that anymore, as you were saying, and that was turned
Speaker 1: into amateurish because it is amateurish. You're doing it for
Speaker 1: the love of the game, and you're not defending your
Speaker 1: block to get access to this park or this corner
Speaker 1: or whatever, because there's a purpose to be there. It's
Speaker 1: just to be there to be there, which is my
Speaker 1: part too, right. So what the young nigg is right,
Speaker 1: that's coming up in the culture. They're not actually a
Speaker 1: part of the culture of that sector. So you have
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot more foolishness within than you
Speaker 1: ever seen because it's really strangers and they're all trying
Speaker 1: to build a relationship behind a false identity of a
Speaker 1: street sign or a bandanna, when that never was really
Speaker 1: the identity. Initially, it was the family and friends you
Speaker 1: grew up around, and you know, somebody mom and daddy.
Speaker 1: It's like ordering the Thanksgiving turkey sandwich from Subway without
Speaker 1: the whole Thanksgiving. It's the whole Thanksgiving, the holiday and
Speaker 1: everything that was going on in the people surrounding it
Speaker 1: that made that sandwich what it was. Yeah, people trying
Speaker 1: to expedite that rapport like I don't have grown up
Speaker 1: with you for ten years rapport, so let me go
Speaker 1: do something to get a reputation so I can have,
Speaker 1: you know, like microwave reputation. And that's a say that again,
Speaker 1: Say that again. If I don't, if I didn't go
Speaker 1: to elementary school and I know you and we have
Speaker 1: that bond, I show up out of nowhere. You're trying
Speaker 1: to create like microwave reputation. So I gotta go do
Speaker 1: something extreme crazy. And I'm noticing that right with different
Speaker 1: people where you know, whether it's you know, marking on
Speaker 1: the mural, whether it's just these really extreme acts that
Speaker 1: don't really make sense per se. It's so much, it's
Speaker 1: so many easier things to do to build the same
Speaker 1: reputation and get the same respect. That's you know that
Speaker 1: that falls within the line of you know where people
Speaker 1: still gonna have a level a level of fear about
Speaker 1: how they interact with you, because that's all it is.
Speaker 1: It's about making sure people are gonna get you enough
Speaker 1: space to do your thing. Um don't know game and
Speaker 1: we want to kill everybody. I mean, if any gang
Speaker 1: sat around and try to plot the depth of every
Speaker 1: one of day, you know, the rivals, this is a
Speaker 1: whole different conversation. It's all for survival. You know, everybody
Speaker 1: is killing and shooting for the most part out of survival.
Speaker 1: And you know they said the goal of aving war
Speaker 1: is peace, and so people people for the most posts
Speaker 1: because for the most part of if you were left
Speaker 1: alone and motherfucker's weren't coming around here with that bullshit,
Speaker 1: and if you were just able to do and move
Speaker 1: how you need to be a lot less to that
Speaker 1: that bumping and grinding that that uh you know going on.
Speaker 1: But again, because it's rooted in poverty. Right to pick
Speaker 1: off what you're saying, we all sharing very limited limited
Speaker 1: resource wack video that I sent you, right, Did you
Speaker 1: heard the part where he says, if you win, if
Speaker 1: you overwin, you begin to lose. I like that, and
Speaker 1: and and that was one of those really scalable observations
Speaker 1: that I liked throughout that things like if you're engaged
Speaker 1: in but like you can look at Hitler, you can
Speaker 1: look in Na Poland throughout history, there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: examples where yeah, you can have a conflict here if
Speaker 1: you march too far, it's not that you over extend
Speaker 1: yourself and said, now you've you've over wonder the point
Speaker 1: where now you're you're pissing off everybody, be around them,
Speaker 1: not just around you. So you're you're gonna get this.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point of what's happening right
Speaker 1: now in in in the city. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean is somebody did something very extreme. It's like you
Speaker 1: over one with that. You did weigh entirely too much.
Speaker 1: So now you know you're watching ship happened around people,
Speaker 1: even one person particularly you're watching ship that he's watching
Speaker 1: it happened around himself, and he don't realize. No matter what,
Speaker 1: whether or not it's a direct response, you're still a
Speaker 1: catalyst to the energy. Like it's a catalyst to the energy.
Speaker 1: I mean, like ship's happening around you, and you don't
Speaker 1: know that You've awakened all kinds of different entities to
Speaker 1: be more mindful of people of you and people from
Speaker 1: your community, and emotions are invisible you A lot of
Speaker 1: times you don't know or understanding see what's being felt
Speaker 1: about you until that action takes place. And depending on
Speaker 1: the you know, the individual and the wisdom of the vindictiveness,
Speaker 1: of the level of extreme they're willing to go. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't meet their emotion until, you know, until it's
Speaker 1: a drastic situation. And I'm noticing situations that's happening, right,
Speaker 1: I noticed. You know, if if you started all out war,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I don't think you should publicly cry if
Speaker 1: something happens, if somebody becomes a victim of that war,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean if if if you start a
Speaker 1: situation right and you like going out your way to
Speaker 1: get out there and be the catalyst, and then as
Speaker 1: the actions execute, why are you sad at that point? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think even from a psychological warriors perspective, that's a
Speaker 1: weekend approach to war, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: should have never let them see the sweat regardless. So
Speaker 1: so I think that's what's wrong at the entry level.
Speaker 1: The entry level of of of of the street ship
Speaker 1: and gang banging always was bad because you know, the
Speaker 1: culture itself is very inviting. You know, it's about taking
Speaker 1: people who don't have a home or their home made
Speaker 1: structure correctly and bringing togetherness. So it already fragile at
Speaker 1: his earliest exception, but now it's even worse because you
Speaker 1: have strangers, you know, trying to pick up a culture
Speaker 1: that's already limited. I mean that that's that it was
Speaker 1: already fragile at the gate in the first place, walking
Speaker 1: through the gate, So now you're letting all kinds of
Speaker 1: other people in the front gate and there's no real bond.
Speaker 1: The other part, and this is what I was talking
Speaker 1: about on my life, was when I came up, my
Speaker 1: older homies made they living in the community. I mean,
Speaker 1: they was hustling whatever they You know, every grown man
Speaker 1: wants to feed his family. I don't care if he's
Speaker 1: a gang banger, I don't care whoever he is. He
Speaker 1: wants to, you know, make a living and feed his family.
Speaker 1: Don't nobody not want to do that? Um, And when
Speaker 1: I was coming up, you know, moon Plug, Shady Fats,
Speaker 1: Tone Man Boo. They earned the living right in the community.
Speaker 1: So they were a lot more hands on with me,
Speaker 1: with Jay Psycho, you know, uh fifty slow Ron Ron Russ.
Speaker 1: They was all more hands on with us. You I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like always around, you know. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was always somebody there to get you know, consultation on
Speaker 1: the correct do things or better advice versus my generation
Speaker 1: who would be in those positions. Now none of us
Speaker 1: make our living. There's no living to be made in
Speaker 1: the community as far as like um, the way they
Speaker 1: was with hustling and those opportunities, those opportunities and people
Speaker 1: ain't smoking rocks no more because they're getting their life together.
Speaker 1: How much of it do you also think, like to
Speaker 1: go back to your point of not being there, and
Speaker 1: you know, I always got to tie in the discipline
Speaker 1: consequence spectrum. If I live in some hundred unit complex
Speaker 1: and Bellflower, but I want to go Rep. Swans or
Speaker 1: something like that, if I had lived there and my
Speaker 1: mom lived there, every my family, if you know where
Speaker 1: to find me. If I gonna do something crazy, but
Speaker 1: I go shake three cities down and do some giant
Speaker 1: condors where the funk. I go, well, I have ananimity,
Speaker 1: I can go do something that I want to do.
Speaker 1: My people know I did it, but no one who
Speaker 1: wants to get back at me knows where the funk
Speaker 1: to go find me to get back at me. Yet, Well,
Speaker 1: the funniest part, so who would the consequence who were
Speaker 1: talking about? Are you saying? The person say the act
Speaker 1: of the perpetrator doesn't have to live with the same consequences.
Speaker 1: So since the consequences and got pushed further away, Now
Speaker 1: do I think they consciously know that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point you figure it out. I
Speaker 1: think that that type of situation is a crash dummy situation.
Speaker 1: And you you I would never trust somebody fully that
Speaker 1: that came from that distance into into the close, small
Speaker 1: knit of activity that was going on in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And also I wouldn't expect to be trusted if I
Speaker 1: came from an outside perspective and and wasn't really tied
Speaker 1: in with what was going on, because they if I
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, it's kind of like you're you're
Speaker 1: able to gain clout for the gang by going out
Speaker 1: here and putting in work but you're able to operate
Speaker 1: under the radar because you're you're less likely to be
Speaker 1: suspected for doing the things that you're doing. So you're
Speaker 1: still gating. Even if they say everybody knows just me,
Speaker 1: you know, like like to really like say, you know,
Speaker 1: stones in the jungles and I go do some ship
Speaker 1: agree just to just to six os, and they know
Speaker 1: what's me, and everybody knows it's me, but I don't
Speaker 1: live there. Nobody knows I punched my gang bang card
Speaker 1: at eight pm and I'm out. It's because I'm right
Speaker 1: on Nicolette and what's weird is right, So it's two
Speaker 1: things that make that weird. Go ahead. I was water
Speaker 1: water right there right behind you. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: that being from Tacoma watching gangs come up there because
Speaker 1: l A gangs came up to Tacoma, and like you said,
Speaker 1: that happens. They'll come up to Cooma, kick up all
Speaker 1: kinds of ship do things, and go back to l
Speaker 1: A and we'll be stuck up there. Like I found,
Speaker 1: we got tired of it and decided to start Hilltop
Speaker 1: because that's what was happening. They'll come up from l
Speaker 1: A and start doing ship rather they'll give us a
Speaker 1: sack and then their home, but will come rob the sack,
Speaker 1: you know. And so we finally got tired of it, like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is our town, this is where
Speaker 1: Hilltop start. But that's what happened to us. They will
Speaker 1: come from other places like l A and do all
Speaker 1: that crazy ship like you said, and go back home
Speaker 1: because most people wasn't going from Tacoma to l A.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I want to say. It happens
Speaker 1: like that trip we talked about. We talked about fifteen miles,
Speaker 1: you talking about some real, real mom and I think
Speaker 1: that that is it's kind of just an extension of
Speaker 1: you know how you were saying, like the resources so
Speaker 1: limited with the coast is only so big too, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's nothing to really hit
Speaker 1: the freeway four, five, six, seven, eight, ten hours and
Speaker 1: that mother further than that, oh yeah, all the way
Speaker 1: up from here. Yeah yeah, right, you're right, I'm about
Speaker 1: ten hours from right. So, but that's actually the cause
Speaker 1: of the sixty A trade war. Like if you know
Speaker 1: the history of the war, they war is rooted in,
Speaker 1: you know, a simple misunderstanding the months two communities. That's been,
Speaker 1: you know, tighty ship forever at at certain at a
Speaker 1: certain point, and somebody who was a foreign you know,
Speaker 1: an implant into that culture. That's that's considered a tray thought.
Speaker 1: The fight that they have normally to settle differences was
Speaker 1: a little bit more than what it was, and they
Speaker 1: overreacted and killed somebody of importance to the sixties, somebody
Speaker 1: who meant a lot to everybody, that was something over there.
Speaker 1: And when they tried to come up with an amicable
Speaker 1: solution and they met up, they couldn't really figure out.
Speaker 1: They couldn't find the dude to turn him over because
Speaker 1: he wasn't a dude that grew up in their culture,
Speaker 1: that grew up in their section. They didn't even know
Speaker 1: his mother, They didn't really know nothing. Maybe one person
Speaker 1: possibly know him, who brought him over there, but they
Speaker 1: didn't know enough about him. So when they couldn't turn
Speaker 1: him over, you know, feelings got worse, worse and worse
Speaker 1: and worse. No justice felt like it had been served.
Speaker 1: So his now it becomes even in the streets, almost
Speaker 1: a vigilante. Since at a street level it's already vigilante.
Speaker 1: It's at the street level, but then even within the
Speaker 1: street level, there's an even more vigilante version, and at
Speaker 1: that point anybody will work because we can't get the
Speaker 1: person that causes as much pain and this injustice. But
Speaker 1: that's really the beginning, you know, of their war, and
Speaker 1: it's obviously been you know, and for years, and that
Speaker 1: makes sense, and that's that's just a situation where somebody
Speaker 1: was where they maybe shouldn't have been, you know, doing
Speaker 1: what they maybe shouldn't have done. That happened in my
Speaker 1: neighborhood with them. You know, some dudes was out barbecue
Speaker 1: with some people, you know, they had words and whatever happened,
Speaker 1: dude got whooped, came back to the park, told the homies,
Speaker 1: I got jumped. You know what I'm saying. They jumped me.
Speaker 1: They with me this and that the homies go back
Speaker 1: to see what time it is. Dudes were ready because
Speaker 1: when this loudmouth leaves the barbecue, he's telling all this,
Speaker 1: he's telling all this, he's putting laying all his cards out.
Speaker 1: So when the homies get back to this blind situation,
Speaker 1: thinking he got jumped, we're gonna go over there, monitor
Speaker 1: and make sure they get the fade, make sure everything
Speaker 1: goes well. None of that happened. Dude was waiting. It
Speaker 1: got down homies. It was some back and forth and
Speaker 1: we lost the homie, you know what I mean because
Speaker 1: of that, And it was really somebody he just he had.
Speaker 1: We got a whole hood full of home Why are
Speaker 1: you even over whatever you even are doing over there?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's the worst type of
Speaker 1: gang member, man, it is some of these gang members. Dog,
Speaker 1: I get mad where they over they over function in
Speaker 1: different people's sections. Like I've really I don't talk about
Speaker 1: it much to my homeboys, but I really don't like that.
Speaker 1: When you over you over accessible to everybody else. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because the point of creating your own section
Speaker 1: is to form a bond in the unit. So why
Speaker 1: are you partying this hard with these gangs? And it's
Speaker 1: always some bullshit. It's always gonna be some bullshit when
Speaker 1: that happened, because no matter who you are, you don't
Speaker 1: have a true bond in that community. You may have
Speaker 1: a bond with a person from that community, but then
Speaker 1: and it's all kinds of other people outside of it.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, it's people think,
Speaker 1: you know, racism is a thing like this, and this
Speaker 1: gang bang ship is a thing too. And like when
Speaker 1: you when you're standing with somebody even in the pin
Speaker 1: or even when you you're cool, or even with them
Speaker 1: tweakers out there smoking that piece pipe together. You know,
Speaker 1: all these situations, this dude thinks he's better than you.
Speaker 1: He has a word for you that he calls you
Speaker 1: when you're not around, that he calls all your people
Speaker 1: when you're not around. You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's like to really fully for me, it's just a
Speaker 1: I just for what. You know what I'm saying. For what,
Speaker 1: I'm good with everybody in my community. I'm good with
Speaker 1: everybody from other neighborhoods. I help anybody the same. My
Speaker 1: services are offered and available to everybody. But I don't
Speaker 1: have time. If I'm gonna focus my time on creating
Speaker 1: positive change, I gotta start with the people closest to me.
Speaker 1: So so I'm gonna be That's where you'll find me.
Speaker 1: That's where you let me ask you a question. And
Speaker 1: that particular situation with your with the homy that kind
Speaker 1: of did too much, and now he cost another HOMY life.
Speaker 1: What's the discipline proceeding he's out? He got smashed off
Speaker 1: the map and um, and he's gone saying this is
Speaker 1: another part they deleted him or literally he's just out
Speaker 1: of the game. He's out, he's gone. He left, he left,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he got he on the couple.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of people seen him early and
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, they did what they could
Speaker 1: do in the moment, and that was enough to let
Speaker 1: him know that he didn't want another money, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So he's in that's the only way
Speaker 1: to go about it. But now it's the other edge,
Speaker 1: and it's the other catching. It's another thing that happens
Speaker 1: far too often is when you got stand arounds and
Speaker 1: and hang around. You know what I'm saying that that
Speaker 1: are that they're creating problems that affect real, actual validated
Speaker 1: family members. You know what I'm saying. One of the
Speaker 1: main issues, and me and Pete talked about this before,
Speaker 1: is one of the issues with gangbanging is every citizen right,
Speaker 1: every citizen of sad nation is an equal representative by
Speaker 1: whatever actions they do. Yes, so like it don't take
Speaker 1: like in my neighborhood, pluck right who was a who
Speaker 1: was a very high ranking member per se right, at
Speaker 1: that level right where he's he's a lifelong guy. Um,
Speaker 1: some dude who just got put on, you know, three
Speaker 1: weeks ago can go do some violence in somebody and
Speaker 1: it be held in the same validity as him, where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we're gonna come back and shoot at them.
Speaker 1: I mean, one person represents everybody. And I always argue
Speaker 1: with my hommies that that's why we should be really
Speaker 1: careful on who we allowed to be a part of this,
Speaker 1: because at that point we're giving this person like we
Speaker 1: had a bad situation where stuff was happening and people
Speaker 1: not coming back and telling the hommies. But hommies is
Speaker 1: going places and now they're getting shot and don't have
Speaker 1: no idea why this's like get shot. So it's a
Speaker 1: very you know, for as fruit as free as it
Speaker 1: seems like it moves, it's a very important and and
Speaker 1: and and you know, it's a lot of responsibility. It's
Speaker 1: high stakes, very it's a lot of responsibility for each
Speaker 1: person involved. Yet it's not treated that way, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's and it's a it's so casual. It's so
Speaker 1: crazy how often I'll see like somebody come around and
Speaker 1: this dude to get whipped for the homies, or he'll
Speaker 1: like you know, he'll he'll go put in work, or
Speaker 1: he'll do he'll do all these things, but like he
Speaker 1: won't do you a solid one of them just friendship
Speaker 1: favors one of them, just one of them things that
Speaker 1: you just need them a homie. I need you to
Speaker 1: run me to sack some of these soldiers, bro. And yeah,
Speaker 1: especially especially the dudes that's not from your community. They
Speaker 1: always trying to overprove a point. They always do it
Speaker 1: too much. I look at certain sensuations going on in
Speaker 1: all kind of communities and you know, you you're watching
Speaker 1: people that come around and they super turned up, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, why are you not turned up for
Speaker 1: the place where you was at? What's really going on? Again?
Speaker 1: I've always thought that was the worst part. It's just
Speaker 1: way too inclusive that that was a question I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask to both of you, Like, I mean, you
Speaker 1: said in this a valid boys, that's the mature smart
Speaker 1: way to look at it. If you're from that far away,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna trust you and you shouldn't trust me,
Speaker 1: you know, to to an extent, but not just not
Speaker 1: the same as this dude that bled with me, and
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't threatened to take his kids away
Speaker 1: and he still didn't tell in CPS and childcare and
Speaker 1: you know, fire department and the police and everybody else
Speaker 1: put pressure on people. These are the kinds of things
Speaker 1: that you can only see in war. These are the
Speaker 1: kinds of things that you can only see under certain circumstances.
Speaker 1: For me, especially at my age, so this might not
Speaker 1: be a relevant stance for the average gang member, you know,
Speaker 1: but from you know, I'm forty two years strong and
Speaker 1: at my age, um, you know, it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense for me. It doesn't behoove me to go
Speaker 1: out and form new warrior relationships with young warriors. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That doesn't That doesn't that doesn't
Speaker 1: You know that that's not That's no good for me.
Speaker 1: I have other strengths and other other things that I
Speaker 1: can that I could benefit the neighborhood with. Other than that,
Speaker 1: any every any community has or any country. You know,
Speaker 1: they have military, you have citizens, you have financial have
Speaker 1: I used to argue with my homies in real time,
Speaker 1: right I was telling you this about trying to make
Speaker 1: everybody a part of the infantry. That's a mistake. Like
Speaker 1: like I was telling mob Jacks, I had the same
Speaker 1: conversation excuse me with James from UM from Gags the Chronicles.
Speaker 1: James used to do all the death row and that
Speaker 1: you know, one of the initial factors and death row
Speaker 1: and allowing it to be what it was for everybody
Speaker 1: to see as far as the muscle, And I was
Speaker 1: telling him, I think the mistakes that a lot of
Speaker 1: my older homies made and his generation made was they
Speaker 1: tried to turn everyone into the infantry. I said this
Speaker 1: to him on the podcast on the Gangster Chronicles. I'm like,
Speaker 1: with aiding them generation, they tried to make everybody the infantry.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what that became a big problem.
Speaker 1: It became a problem. That it's why you know, eventually
Speaker 1: all of this stuff is going to meet his demise
Speaker 1: because that with with that self destructive model of behavior,
Speaker 1: you can only expect one And now that we're forty
Speaker 1: seven years old, we've we've seen the repercussions of this model,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's why in order
Speaker 1: to survive and I don't mean as a criminal enterprise,
Speaker 1: but as just to surprise, as to survive as group. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as as an enterprise. Um, things have to change. Nobody, nobody, not,
Speaker 1: nobody does ship the way they did it from day one. Nobody,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, especially with growth and expansion.
Speaker 1: It just you just you have to allow for that
Speaker 1: and one thing that in my community and not in
Speaker 1: my gang, in my community because the things when we
Speaker 1: say because it's not when we say good over here,
Speaker 1: it's not good for none of y'all. Like they're not
Speaker 1: allowed to write on houses anymore, they're not allowed to
Speaker 1: write on cars anymore. These are your neighbors. How do
Speaker 1: you expect them to stand up for you in court
Speaker 1: or when when there's a misunderstanding and help get you
Speaker 1: out of trouble when you're writing on their walls all
Speaker 1: the time, you know what I mean. Like they're not
Speaker 1: allowed to skip school. You know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: got homies out there that Corona's been making things weird,
Speaker 1: but that as a general rule, they're not allowed to
Speaker 1: skip school. The homies are there. That's like yard call.
Speaker 1: You're laying down on the couch and the homies are
Speaker 1: over here. You know, either fighting or fighting for a
Speaker 1: better future. But either way you better getting the fight.
Speaker 1: You know what? I'm saying, whatever, whatever it is and uh,
Speaker 1: and they're not allowed to do heroin, dope, cocaine, none
Speaker 1: of that ship before they're eighteen years old. Now, I
Speaker 1: know that sounds kind of weird, but at least by
Speaker 1: the time they're eighteen, they will have their brain, will
Speaker 1: have been given a chance to make whatever decision they
Speaker 1: want to make to be whatever kind of super game
Speaker 1: member or super citizen they want to be. But at
Speaker 1: least we gave their brain a shot. You know what
Speaker 1: substances to course and they'll say they'll get sucked up
Speaker 1: for using them. And in my day with high school,
Speaker 1: we were a decision what you want to do next?
Speaker 1: We were using we were you not we in generation?
Speaker 1: It was our generation was using meth and drugs to
Speaker 1: influence that super gang banger, that super don't give a
Speaker 1: spooked you know. Yeah, yeah, so you can see you're
Speaker 1: capable of doing things. For my first three years, I
Speaker 1: didn't do drugs or drink because I wanted foods to
Speaker 1: know that what I do comes from my heart. Later
Speaker 1: on not getting the party in and I'll do what
Speaker 1: I do, But I understand what it means to to
Speaker 1: somebody seeing somebody you know on one or you know,
Speaker 1: and we just we got to carry ourselves with a
Speaker 1: higher class. So tweaking ain't ain't allowed, It ain't encouraged.
Speaker 1: Its frowned upon, that suicidal dead end. Bang your head
Speaker 1: against the wall game banging approaches outro. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I don't, Like I said when I
Speaker 1: talked to the community. I talked to the community, kids
Speaker 1: that are banging, kids that ain't. But you know, I
Speaker 1: tell them, like, man, look, do do what's right for you.
Speaker 1: Do it's right for your family. Do what's right for
Speaker 1: the people you could reach out and touch first. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But I think, but but that
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, But that makes me think
Speaker 1: a lot of times about the things, all of the
Speaker 1: toxic things we take in to alter our our our
Speaker 1: actual true motivation. Like I although I've always said that,
Speaker 1: like I used to teach certain homies, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: you don't really want to do it. That's why you
Speaker 1: gotta get high. I mean, and if you don't really
Speaker 1: want to do it, you need to find a better way.
Speaker 1: But you know that doesn't work because again, you know,
Speaker 1: me and Pete has had the same conversation about people
Speaker 1: being in survival mode. I call it like safe mode
Speaker 1: on the computer. There's no real access to the internet
Speaker 1: on safe mode. Doing survival mode, there's no real access
Speaker 1: to you know, choice or belief of options. That it's
Speaker 1: not a real thing, Like there's no it's no browser.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, ain't none of that. So
Speaker 1: everybody wants something for a discount, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You can you can get what you need out of
Speaker 1: having done the action without having to pay the full price,
Speaker 1: so to speak. Mentally, that's a great point. But but
Speaker 1: that's not just even in street coat well, I guess
Speaker 1: that's it still streetcarts or just fun a process where
Speaker 1: strict yeah, they're gonna get drunk at the club to
Speaker 1: go talk to those inhibitions. But see, but now there's
Speaker 1: a different thing, because I think that different people have
Speaker 1: have blocks in front of them. They're like some people,
Speaker 1: they don't they need that beer because they're scared, not
Speaker 1: because not because it doesn't morally sit well with them.
Speaker 1: If they could get away with it, they would dig
Speaker 1: forks in them, mother, because nots. It's not because they're
Speaker 1: good people. It's because they're scary. They're scarier to repercussion
Speaker 1: the capital. But but there's the one that morally is
Speaker 1: kind of like, doesn't really feel it, So got to
Speaker 1: hide behind the alcohol in order to it, but to
Speaker 1: achieve the moral you know what I mean. But that's
Speaker 1: the same fear. It's all the same fear. What you
Speaker 1: might be scared of other people, are scary yourself, scared
Speaker 1: of your conscience, scary of all that ship. But I
Speaker 1: agree with you, scared of God, whatever, whatever, whatever. But
Speaker 1: it's a different it's there are different fears, and I
Speaker 1: think that I think that they would, they could or
Speaker 1: should be subdivided accordingly, because I could respect somebody that
Speaker 1: behaves in a way based on an emotion before behaving
Speaker 1: in a way based on a separate emotion, even though
Speaker 1: it might be the same action. So off the record, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not off the record when I say off
Speaker 1: the record, off the conversation. Rather, so at that point,
Speaker 1: should alcohol, Like, what do you feel about the prohibition?
Speaker 1: As much as people enjoy alcohol and this ability to
Speaker 1: lower your inhibition, is it really something that's necessary in society?
Speaker 1: Do you think the society would be a different place?
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think it's unnecessary. I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's completely unnecessary. And when it's gone,
Speaker 1: I don't miss it, Like I don't financially profit from it,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't it wouldn't for me. It would just
Speaker 1: I'll smoke a little more weed, maybe you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But but for somebody, you know, there's only
Speaker 1: a handful of people that have their money in it.
Speaker 1: So for me, funk those people that have their money
Speaker 1: in it, because they you know, fun them. It's only
Speaker 1: a handful of them, And it would be bringing a
Speaker 1: greater good to society to remove that source of wealth
Speaker 1: for just a few people that have already built a wealth.
Speaker 1: That should suffice. I think with the alcohol thing, there's
Speaker 1: two conversations. You can't address it unless you do it
Speaker 1: for like a hundred years, because you get this, oh, well,
Speaker 1: if people aren't gonna drink, they're gonna do something else.
Speaker 1: There's there's there's now this expectation that that's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: been dugging it from me, you can get it from somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, if you're if it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be alcohol and it's gonna be weird, it's not gonna weird.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be. It's something you need to get to
Speaker 1: a point where there's a generation that hasn't had the
Speaker 1: people above them turning to some sort of chemical void
Speaker 1: filler before you can really have that conversation. I mean,
Speaker 1: is it necessary? Is it better? No? But I don't
Speaker 1: I don't drink alcohol, So they could go, how do
Speaker 1: you think that societal affects even uh though, oh you
Speaker 1: guys said at all. I mean everything that you guys
Speaker 1: said is going to be a fact. But what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen if they do try? Because they're the prohibition happened before,
Speaker 1: and it was it was in it was deadly, it
Speaker 1: was bloody. So and that was really pre drugs, Like
Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of drugs in the US, and
Speaker 1: and and a lot of that push came from the
Speaker 1: medical from the medical field and the changing of the
Speaker 1: laws and the changing of the marketing of Big Farmer
Speaker 1: and things like that. A lot of that drug surge
Speaker 1: came as a result of the you know, but you
Speaker 1: know alcohol, they use alcohol for everything. So people I've
Speaker 1: seen people drink, rubbing alcohol, trying to get drunk, ye,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So when you say prohibition on alcohol,
Speaker 1: you gotta take every form of alcohol out. Well not
Speaker 1: just alcohol liquor. You can still help spray paint. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it ain't. It ain't appealing to everybody, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like that some time, once you
Speaker 1: pick some time between it, you know, like you said
Speaker 1: the hunted year thing, like once we if we could
Speaker 1: if that that first twenty years might be rocky, but
Speaker 1: once people lost it from their palate. It's not something
Speaker 1: that in its truest form is even very uh flavor,
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's not very savory, it's not very
Speaker 1: it's nothing new. It's nothing you would crave if you
Speaker 1: were if you didn't have an experience with it. Yeah's
Speaker 1: it would force people to problem solve the right way,
Speaker 1: but it's a slower path, you know. It's you know,
Speaker 1: we got a problem with the pipe. Well we'll fix
Speaker 1: that little piece of pipe. Look, the piping in the
Speaker 1: house is bad. You can pay the price to repipe
Speaker 1: the whole house and do it right, or you can
Speaker 1: fix the little leak in the focet from the focet
Speaker 1: and hope for the best whatever. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: drinking and some of that it's hard. I think it's
Speaker 1: almost more like replacing the foundation of a house sometimes
Speaker 1: and and that destroying rebuild is is ah, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even It's easy to say for me because I think
Speaker 1: the same thing about the government, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm like man, when you when you take something
Speaker 1: from here, it affects something over there, and you take
Speaker 1: something from order it to affects something over there. So
Speaker 1: to be able to lay out the strategic order of things,
Speaker 1: that ship's like Jenga, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: because you you pulled the wrong one and it comes
Speaker 1: it comes toppling down. But I think that the main thing,
Speaker 1: the most important part, those like conversations like this. And
Speaker 1: I own a store. We have a discount like a
Speaker 1: family discount store, and Reno and I work it about
Speaker 1: four days a week most weeks, three four days a
Speaker 1: week most weeks. So I talked to people. I'm constantly
Speaker 1: exposed to all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds.
Speaker 1: Everybody needs, you know, get where, everybody needs shoes, everybody.
Speaker 1: So I'm seeing all kinds of people from all different
Speaker 1: you know, walks of life. And you know, as I'm
Speaker 1: as I'm talking to them. You know, I like to ask.
Speaker 1: I like to ask a lot of questions. You know,
Speaker 1: I like to talk to Don't get me wrong, I
Speaker 1: let it talk. But is the best way to lie? Yeah, So, like,
Speaker 1: especially when I'm around somebody I might not normally be around,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, a different kind of a person.
Speaker 1: Um And uh, you know a lot of people, a
Speaker 1: lot of people have great ideas and a lot of
Speaker 1: people have have good things. But to say, but even
Speaker 1: just playing Devil's advocate, it's just it's always a way
Speaker 1: that that doesn't work. It's always a way that this
Speaker 1: doesn't work. It's always a way. But just having the conversations,
Speaker 1: I think, is where where the fight still stays alive
Speaker 1: for a solution somewhere somehow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, in term in terms of alcohol, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't. I couldn't. I really couldn't put
Speaker 1: my finger on like just because just tearing it because
Speaker 1: it's tweet, because you can make it yourself. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: If it was something that was like you eradicate fucking linoleum,
Speaker 1: like good luck y'all figuring out how to make that
Speaker 1: ship you know what I'm saying. By alcohol, you always
Speaker 1: have action because someone can always make it illegally, so
Speaker 1: you always have access. So to be able to prevent
Speaker 1: all that, I don't even know you know how you
Speaker 1: would go about that. I have a question, dude. Gangs
Speaker 1: demonstrate empathy, because I know what empathy. If you don't
Speaker 1: have an empathy, you don't have common ground. There's no
Speaker 1: common ground, but empathy, even that empathetic to other people. Listen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the average game member would like
Speaker 1: you to think they're just the baddest nigga breathing there
Speaker 1: and they want to kill everybody, and they want to
Speaker 1: put this K or that K or whack out this
Speaker 1: or whag out that. But it's entirely too easy to
Speaker 1: kill people from another community. It's easy. Like it's easy.
Speaker 1: It's so easy to kill us. We were so prevalent
Speaker 1: and available to die, you know what I mean, We're
Speaker 1: not far out of reach. And when you look at it,
Speaker 1: even the worst wars, it's not enough people dead. Like
Speaker 1: you look at this country when it goes to war.
Speaker 1: They want people to die. So there is empathy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that at the center of the culture, right
Speaker 1: the darker you get, you know, at the center of
Speaker 1: the culture, it's completely empathetic. I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: There's moments where it seems very uh, barbarican ship, but
Speaker 1: it's not enough killings for it to be that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. Yeah, if it was, if
Speaker 1: Mother's was really his turn as the average rap song,
Speaker 1: and a lot of good bodies will be just I'm
Speaker 1: all in all over the place. It will be too easy.
Speaker 1: It's easy. Like you, um, you go to a grocery
Speaker 1: store in any community, wait five minutes, you go to
Speaker 1: gas station and community, wait five minutes, you go to
Speaker 1: an experience anyway. I mean, you don't see nobody looking
Speaker 1: at the future generations of gangs. So they're going into
Speaker 1: the pool and poison in the water and over everybody
Speaker 1: go swimming, Ain't you know what I'm saying. So at
Speaker 1: that point it's empathetic and common respect for funeral you know,
Speaker 1: or canadile lights even even though sometimes to get tricky,
Speaker 1: but for the most place, even see strategic alliances designs
Speaker 1: to eliminate third party gangs Like you don't see A
Speaker 1: and B. We're gonna triangulate on them. Like days at
Speaker 1: this park. Hey, let's our crew and your crew go
Speaker 1: wipe them out there. And in theory they try to write.
Speaker 1: In theory they try to write, you have gangs that like,
Speaker 1: like I like to believe I grew up in the era,
Speaker 1: you know, when Compton was going through a superpower act,
Speaker 1: like like what do they call it? A super access
Speaker 1: or superpower access what they call that? When all the
Speaker 1: countries came like World War two? Yeah, and all the
Speaker 1: countries it was like three click countries. Well that happened
Speaker 1: in Compton, right, So at one time in the nineties,
Speaker 1: and competent was okay, Nutty South Atlantic, A Cajian town
Speaker 1: forms Front Palmer Tennis. You know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: was like these gangs came together, right. So if I
Speaker 1: say a Cajia town forms, that's the CAGI of Block
Speaker 1: compter cripts, the Spook Town comter crips, and the form
Speaker 1: Dog contrips borls offensive or defensive tactics. They were. Everybody
Speaker 1: within the culture would like you to believe that it's offensive.
Speaker 1: I'm it does I bet funk with niggas thinking I
Speaker 1: know it's defense. It's not no offense happening, And that
Speaker 1: and that narcissism in in the average game member. It's
Speaker 1: not if they ain't if we don't need you, we
Speaker 1: don't need you. You know what I'm saying. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no need to push somebody in to help you
Speaker 1: with something that you got covered. That leads me to
Speaker 1: a conversation we was having was in l A about
Speaker 1: the sixties and eight trades. That leads me to, like
Speaker 1: you said, it was different gangs at one time they
Speaker 1: came together to the sixties was multiple games, and then
Speaker 1: it came together because of the area to protect the
Speaker 1: area or why did they come together as a game?
Speaker 1: You know what you were saying. You have to ask them.
Speaker 1: I mean, they talked about it before, but I don't
Speaker 1: quite know why they all came together. I think they
Speaker 1: came together to become this large entity for the sake
Speaker 1: of um, you know, the look of power to to
Speaker 1: to be the deepest. I got a controversial question. Is
Speaker 1: there something culturally that's different between the East Side and
Speaker 1: the West Side gangs where you really don't see a
Speaker 1: lot of like superpower structures on the Greater east Side
Speaker 1: as far as gangs go, let you do on the
Speaker 1: West Side. So I don't think that's controversial. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I could get, I could get why I
Speaker 1: could seem that way, because right, you look at how
Speaker 1: huge Rolling Sixties is and there's no gang on the
Speaker 1: east side nearly that size, right as far as members
Speaker 1: or land mad and like neighborhood gangster crypt But even that,
Speaker 1: right is a bit deceptive, right, because it evolved to
Speaker 1: being deceptive. Maybe, well it was always deceptive because it
Speaker 1: was never one thing. It was never one thing. And
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, neighborhood came from the east side, so
Speaker 1: like when you ever say neighborhood blah blah blah, that's
Speaker 1: from the east side. This neighborhood ease coastes and then
Speaker 1: other people got a hold to it. I mean again,
Speaker 1: that's that was something. Well, no, it initially was the
Speaker 1: east coast, and then other people started using it. I
Speaker 1: think the one of Levins on the west side that
Speaker 1: Lord knows, you know, if I get this wrong, I'll
Speaker 1: never hit into these knicks mouse talking shift forever. But
Speaker 1: if I if I'm correct, the one of Levins where
Speaker 1: the first west Side original they call themselves the original
Speaker 1: neighborhoods on the west Side, No one of Levin's Dove
Speaker 1: c Q. Uh, you know all of those guys that
Speaker 1: neighborhood Dove c Q, who else popular from over there,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole Lynch mind. For the most part,
Speaker 1: I think, well J D and m me is uh
Speaker 1: a couple of people, but Ice Cuban Devic pretty much
Speaker 1: are the centerpieces of that community. Um. They're like the
Speaker 1: original neighborhoods on the West Side. UM. I think it
Speaker 1: was more listening to I listened to Keystone talk. Um.
Speaker 1: Keystone is a super o g legendary dude. I heard
Speaker 1: his name. My whole life from sixties and there's a
Speaker 1: YouTube kind of programming almost like documentation of culture when
Speaker 1: it comes to, you know, the life style we live
Speaker 1: in l a keV mac Um. He did a conversation
Speaker 1: and he believes that I don't. Again, I don't want
Speaker 1: to put him under the bus, But I think it
Speaker 1: was just more or less they were just like, I
Speaker 1: like how that sound. Let me be that. Okay, We're
Speaker 1: gonna make the neighborhood sixties what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it was about them being aligned with the
Speaker 1: one of Levin's or you know, the Rolling forties were started.
Speaker 1: You know again, I don't know if they they were
Speaker 1: all saying it to be aligned versus now the younger
Speaker 1: guys are finding more reasons to be aligned. I know
Speaker 1: that in in my city. You know, um, it's a
Speaker 1: lot smaller it's a lot of smaller scale, but it's
Speaker 1: a lot of the same basic mechanics of human nature
Speaker 1: that take place, and and and so what happens out there,
Speaker 1: what has happened out there in the past, is that
Speaker 1: you'd have groups that they didn't necessarily want to go
Speaker 1: for the game bank things. So they were living in
Speaker 1: the game bang neighborhood and they were clicking up and
Speaker 1: creating a group. They didn't start as a gang because
Speaker 1: that wasn't there. They had a gang to join, but
Speaker 1: they didn't want to join that game. They wanted to
Speaker 1: just be party crew, tagger crew, any kind of hustling group. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just give money boys, strutuation. And as soon as they
Speaker 1: click up, and as soon as they put a sign
Speaker 1: to it or put a color to it and put
Speaker 1: us something else to it, now they got Now they
Speaker 1: got something to answer to, and that pressure. Eventually they
Speaker 1: end up either folding under the pressure or dismembering you know,
Speaker 1: kind of disbarring. So and and again all of this
Speaker 1: is very you know, early humanly things. Um So, as
Speaker 1: far as the West side, I think, um so, when
Speaker 1: you say, like, when you talk about it like that, right,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, the car of the neighborhoods or
Speaker 1: the car of the gangsters right there, a trade gangster cars.
Speaker 1: I don't really this might be controversial, but I think
Speaker 1: when people start aligning themselves with either one of those,
Speaker 1: it's really about them aligning with the cities of the trades.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily they're worried about aligning with
Speaker 1: the nineties or the blocks or the Raymonds, you know,
Speaker 1: anybody else. I think it's all of what side do
Speaker 1: you fall on the sixties of the eight trades? But
Speaker 1: you know, again on the east side we have that,
Speaker 1: right so East Coast is that East Coast is like that.
Speaker 1: We don't have a ton of them. What large pieces
Speaker 1: of real estate other than like ones that are decided
Speaker 1: like by like projects like you know those are we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't what crazy is on the east side, the
Speaker 1: east side of the one Tent Freeway, we don't have
Speaker 1: a neighborhood the size you know, you don't have to
Speaker 1: SoC trades. Hell, No, forties is huge forties ago from
Speaker 1: roughly Figed to Crunshaw. Um, no, we don't have that
Speaker 1: kind of land mask. You know, this is what what
Speaker 1: kind of like all was getting at, Like what is
Speaker 1: it about the east side where if you took an
Speaker 1: area that was the size of forties, there'll be five
Speaker 1: gangs there. It's way more to five games. Well whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of even even aside from projects
Speaker 1: though geographically, um, you know you get concentrated apartment complexes
Speaker 1: and you know you get concent in some neighborhoods is
Speaker 1: not a lot of apartments, so it's just vast area
Speaker 1: of house. So so on the east side of the
Speaker 1: one tin right, Um who has a large land mass.
Speaker 1: As far as the community, the Nutties in Compton they
Speaker 1: have a really big one. There's just from Womenton to
Speaker 1: Central Um. That's one thing. Um, the south is huge
Speaker 1: and Compton and Watt's it's probably obviously project gags. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I think the east side is just overpopulated too, like
Speaker 1: you know, black blackness. You know, the culture itself is
Speaker 1: right there. It's the epicenter. So you know, the neighborhoods
Speaker 1: are are easily divided, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine, like I think Mona Park is huge. I
Speaker 1: think Carver Park has a reasonable amount. But none of
Speaker 1: them are like sixties forties or you know, those particular gangs.
Speaker 1: But those gangs also are five games side. But also
Speaker 1: those all of those games are multiple games that came together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they found a bond that decided that we were
Speaker 1: going to unite the sixties. That's one of the oldest
Speaker 1: stories is five or six games that came together, four
Speaker 1: or five games, six games that came together the fans
Speaker 1: that happened on the other side, because we're entirely too arrogant.
Speaker 1: So that's the difference is arrogance on the east side.
Speaker 1: That's that's what you were saying earlier about every neighborhood
Speaker 1: has a different culture, even with your neighborhood, and a
Speaker 1: different attitude of different My young homies ain't we're clicking up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like they tried to start to click with my homies
Speaker 1: and some other gangs, and the niggas is like nah.
Speaker 1: You know, my older homies at one time tried to
Speaker 1: and it was like, nah, we're cool. I'm one of
Speaker 1: the people that's like, yeah, I'm cool. What was what
Speaker 1: what was your your gangs like role or response or whatever.
Speaker 1: And like the the truce after the riots, was that
Speaker 1: not involving you guys? What did you think of it?
Speaker 1: Was the kind of the take on that at that time? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta get plug in here to
Speaker 1: talk about that. I get him in here to talk
Speaker 1: about that. Um, but I know they were involved because
Speaker 1: it was right around the corner. It wasn't. Um, the
Speaker 1: truth was the East Side thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It really wasn't like the city. It was like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but again because the East Side is the epicenter of
Speaker 1: all the the the blackest of the blackest culture. I mean,
Speaker 1: like this is the heart and soul of of blackness
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Outside of you know, you gotta go
Speaker 1: to Crenshaw to get this black you know, I mean
Speaker 1: somewhere like that type of place, maybe Limerte, and then
Speaker 1: it start. You know, that's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: different kind of thing that this right here is ghetto America,
Speaker 1: right here, right where we at, and I think everything
Speaker 1: trickles out of there. You I mean, everything trickles out
Speaker 1: of there, I mean low riding the tracks and clothes,
Speaker 1: everything trends in criminal activity trends, and staying ahead of
Speaker 1: the step, one step ahead of the game, the law
Speaker 1: that everything. And so I think again, the way the
Speaker 1: east Side works is it's a very you know, arrogant.
Speaker 1: You know it, don't it don't It's not a lot
Speaker 1: of humility on the east side, I'm saying the west side.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's no more humility over there. But
Speaker 1: they're already locked in at this point. But you know, historically,
Speaker 1: you hear a lot of rumors about sixties going to
Speaker 1: war with sixties, the field is different. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I'm not from either location and spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time in both, in a lot of different scenarios. The
Speaker 1: field is very different in both places. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the point, right, I mean, that's how it is
Speaker 1: with the rest of peacet Rodgers, the Jungle Stones and
Speaker 1: the City Stones, right, the Peace Stones and the City Stones.
Speaker 1: They're different. Um, the sixties are one game. But even
Speaker 1: that concept of neighborhoods, like all being together, the forties
Speaker 1: and sixties was killing the ship out of each other,
Speaker 1: shooting ship out of each other, the one of elevens
Speaker 1: and the cities go at it. The you know, the
Speaker 1: thirties pretty much are the only guys is like, you look,
Speaker 1: we're not even really with killing crips. And then they
Speaker 1: spent the whole decade killing forties. So again the concept
Speaker 1: of I don't I don't actually agree with that, you know,
Speaker 1: if as if I have say on what's going on
Speaker 1: over there, But I think it's misleading because it looks
Speaker 1: like it's cool. But I guess it does kind of
Speaker 1: work to some degree because it probably could be a
Speaker 1: lot worse. It would be like the East Side if
Speaker 1: they didn't have it, it would be like always some ship,
Speaker 1: always some ship going on. You know, it's always over there.
Speaker 1: You know, it is kind of a different camaraderie amongst rollings.
Speaker 1: In all the changes that you've seen, like I'll ask
Speaker 1: you for from the l a standpoint of all the
Speaker 1: changes that you've seen in game, banging from apparel to
Speaker 1: to to this and to that, the way they represent
Speaker 1: or maybe talk or look, would you say, um that
Speaker 1: you've seen any positive changes that would you see that
Speaker 1: there's some things that have happened in the in the
Speaker 1: streets that they've some some any has anything gotten any better?
Speaker 1: You know, are the youngsters doing things this way or
Speaker 1: that way that they will present a little bit of
Speaker 1: hope or or a little bit of um, you know,
Speaker 1: you think they're getting it together. Our motherfucker's just still caveman,
Speaker 1: just savin out. You know. I don't think it's better
Speaker 1: for the yances at all. I mean, not my young mlies.
Speaker 1: I don't think they do anything better then it was done. Um.
Speaker 1: But again, I also think that's our fault. See now,
Speaker 1: And that's that's a good point that you mentioned because
Speaker 1: the youngsters, because I see now, in my day, we
Speaker 1: didn't have big positive homies to tell us, you know,
Speaker 1: to do something right. Like we didn't have We really didn't. Um.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of things that were new to
Speaker 1: us up where I was at, and we wouldn't. We
Speaker 1: would have been really we would have rejected that any
Speaker 1: kind of you know, come around here with that any
Speaker 1: of that cool like like trade D real positive gangster's reputable,
Speaker 1: but he's able to speak from a from a positive trade.
Speaker 1: When I tell you trade and some ship, I see
Speaker 1: the Instagram ship, I see all this ship trade and
Speaker 1: some ship, you know, I mean, but again, I think
Speaker 1: trade e right, I think my older homies. I think
Speaker 1: big you, I think Dale Dog. If you have a
Speaker 1: bright future, like if they see you're trying to be
Speaker 1: something great, don't nobody want to make you throw away
Speaker 1: your life right away. That exact conversation yesterday with about
Speaker 1: Malcolm and Tea. Yeah, like people people will be like, yo,
Speaker 1: watch out, Like that's how they did me until I
Speaker 1: decided to throw my life away. You watch out. Don't
Speaker 1: don't funk with him. Once you start participating, it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, uh, this is so, this is how you're
Speaker 1: doing right, So is it? It's kind of It's kind
Speaker 1: of like and I think in hip hop too, like
Speaker 1: I think like with the whole vote culture of things
Speaker 1: going on, I think that there's just a little more
Speaker 1: place for the wise big homie. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Our things, the one that's trying to teach financial structure
Speaker 1: and trying to teach things that as long as you
Speaker 1: wouldn't get in the term, as long as you're willing
Speaker 1: to get in the car, that's the one thing that
Speaker 1: every youngster respect, Like somebody willing to get in the car.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me to go shoot, I'm gonna show you
Speaker 1: how I was done. Um, I pride myself and being
Speaker 1: a leader. I never encouraged my homies to go out
Speaker 1: and shooting nothing. I think they entirely don't have enough
Speaker 1: money to even be talking about going to war. So
Speaker 1: until you get some money, we shouldn't be talking about war.
Speaker 1: And they want you get some money. Let's see if
Speaker 1: you want to go to war, right, but you can't
Speaker 1: go to war, bro you can't go to Roar with
Speaker 1: a hundred bullets. You can't over the war with no
Speaker 1: gas money. You can't go to war without enough guns.
Speaker 1: You don't got no money. When we was at our
Speaker 1: four fledge when I was you know, right when I
Speaker 1: was coming into my my whole ship, and we had money.
Speaker 1: We got money, so that means we have some ship.
Speaker 1: That means we have some ship. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of ship. But then once you get money, war is different.
Speaker 1: It becomes a distraction from earning a lottinghood. So people
Speaker 1: are a little bit more diplomatic, people are a little
Speaker 1: bit more. The blood is a big expense. Man does
Speaker 1: is expensive? Pet cut feel me and so I think, no,
Speaker 1: it's not getting better, you know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: unlike a lot of people. I do think it's being
Speaker 1: phased out. I do think it's being phased out in
Speaker 1: it's like how it is. I think it's only a
Speaker 1: matter of time. And that's and I think that the
Speaker 1: and that's because you know, a lot of them aren't
Speaker 1: letting go that that that that ancient, super prehistoric manner
Speaker 1: of you know, I don't even think it's that. I
Speaker 1: think that was actually better. You know, it's like McDonald's.
Speaker 1: I think making a hamburger was better initially. I think
Speaker 1: the way they make burgers now it's horrible. The way
Speaker 1: they used to make the gonna make it like that,
Speaker 1: then it's better than just well, because you lose the
Speaker 1: quality of it. The reason is phasing out is because
Speaker 1: literally the prices of homes in the l A. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to be poor and be there
Speaker 1: the centerpiece still to gangman in his poverty. You ain't
Speaker 1: a ton of wealthy gang members for me. So if
Speaker 1: you can't be poor in this community right then you
Speaker 1: for sure everybody got it. You can't be thugging. Thugging
Speaker 1: is free for me. Everybody up in this house got
Speaker 1: to have a job because this mortgage right here is
Speaker 1: about three thousand a month to be in the ghetto.
Speaker 1: Everybody needs a job. Everybody needs a career for me,
Speaker 1: y'all all got to work. Ain't no hanging out for free.
Speaker 1: You know, it's different when your mom is not to
Speaker 1: pay the number four hundred dollars ranting she got a
Speaker 1: county check for a thousand. That's different. Now fear me
Speaker 1: a house and watching my old neighborhood that motherfucker three
Speaker 1: hundred seventy five thousand, four thousand of the month, and
Speaker 1: nobody's sitting on the count of getting that kind of money.
Speaker 1: And those people weren't taking Section Nate. They're getting motherfucker's
Speaker 1: the funk up out of there. So I do think
Speaker 1: we're you know, it's it's gonna come into a cuff
Speaker 1: of like it's going to be over probably during my lifetime. Um.
Speaker 1: And and that's at least how it's over. Because you
Speaker 1: could kill, you could kill like you can kill a
Speaker 1: person you kill, so you can't kill an ideal, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like even though the breeding grounds
Speaker 1: for actual active violent membership might dwindle, you think that
Speaker 1: what's what's already been done to pop culture and what's
Speaker 1: already the game banging has already been overexposed to the world.
Speaker 1: You think the remnants of that will just continue to
Speaker 1: linger around in some in some boards. Always you always
Speaker 1: have this. They're still discoes, right, I mean they're still discoes.
Speaker 1: They're still soulful restaurants. I mean there's no slabery but
Speaker 1: the soulful restaurants. So I think we've already seen like
Speaker 1: this is playing out of the highest you know, violent crime,
Speaker 1: right locations and northern southern California spectively are no longer
Speaker 1: Oakland and competent and San Bernardino with Stockton because cheap,
Speaker 1: because it's cheap, it's where it's cheap. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: poor people. So um again, like man losing it. So
Speaker 1: as much as everybody looks down at games, I don't
Speaker 1: I realize, you know, poverty is the problem to talk about.
Speaker 1: To talk about being shot and where the bullet did,
Speaker 1: what a bullet did, and to complain about something else
Speaker 1: that the bullet wound calls and not actually talk about
Speaker 1: being shot consistently is a waste of time. So to
Speaker 1: blame you know, the the issues and black communities on
Speaker 1: gangs is a waste of time, because they don't have
Speaker 1: them same things on the dere height, they don't have
Speaker 1: them same things. And wealthy back communities, well, and I
Speaker 1: think that that's that's because as a system and as
Speaker 1: a whole, right, you know how they had those Plato machines,
Speaker 1: the extruders where you you pull the lever in it
Speaker 1: and it shoots out a star on the other end,
Speaker 1: that perfect star. But now for a piece of sand
Speaker 1: or something gets inside there, you push that extruder, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a damaged piece. It's not gonna be perfect,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be imperfect. We're the only society that would
Speaker 1: try to take that damaged piece and reshape it, cut
Speaker 1: off the bad party without fixing the machine that's creating
Speaker 1: these damaged pieces, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then if you if you if you fix the machine,
Speaker 1: then you have to admit you did something wrong. You
Speaker 1: broke it all right. Not from being from l a
Speaker 1: and being from Washington, I used to hear that, like
Speaker 1: the sixties was the rich people of games. We always
Speaker 1: say that, and six is getting mad, But but so
Speaker 1: what how is that? Is that true? Or is that
Speaker 1: to me? Hell? Yeah? But but then again, So so
Speaker 1: is the median incoming over Hills different than the median
Speaker 1: income in Grape Street? Hell yeah, I just wanted that
Speaker 1: on the record ship the ass. Oh yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great man to live in the ass bro in the
Speaker 1: sixties or in the mert. I don't know how the
Speaker 1: funk they do it? Does part? Does forties creep into
Speaker 1: like view park? Or is it kind of really it
Speaker 1: stops Safeties creeps up there closer than the safeties? Does
Speaker 1: Safeties have a weird grasp? Who has the view? So
Speaker 1: sties has views? So hell yeah over here? You know,
Speaker 1: they go all the way up slost into over here.
Speaker 1: And then niggas is for real? So is that going
Speaker 1: back to what we should talk about culture? And before
Speaker 1: gangs it was culture and then gangs start, you know,
Speaker 1: gangs come by people putting labels on that culture. So
Speaker 1: was it the culture first in that area where was
Speaker 1: really nice living and they just came together and because
Speaker 1: gangs started becoming rampant, they just started coming together as
Speaker 1: a game. Well, I don't want to say again, it's
Speaker 1: a level of poverty. Again, it's like poor people talking
Speaker 1: about other poor people. Okay, so they were considered poor.
Speaker 1: They still wasn't They still didn't have no money. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: so when people say they're exaggerated by how much many
Speaker 1: sixties really had. What if you come from where I'm from,
Speaker 1: it looked like the motherfucking Beverly Hills. But it's all equity, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's it's still a house and a
Speaker 1: shoe string budget. The fact that that the house happens
Speaker 1: to be worth two dollars more. You ain't got it
Speaker 1: unless it's not and it's not created and it's not
Speaker 1: worth that much more. Like you know, you're talking about
Speaker 1: the house and when I'm coming up in wash right
Speaker 1: house for forty dollars that same house and sixties like
Speaker 1: in Boys in the Hood, them house is probably a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty again, you know it is, it's a
Speaker 1: quarter h Once you sag past Crisshaw, it is different.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying once you east of Chrisshaw, you know,
Speaker 1: certain sexes of eight trade can get you know, they
Speaker 1: were kind of closer to two hundred, but for the
Speaker 1: most part they were all south of two hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: It's just a port or low income in California in
Speaker 1: l A, I mean to pay a thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: the mortgage it was nowhere. Yeah, yeah, a thousand dollars
Speaker 1: like it's cheap, that's cheap. A thousand dollars and words
Speaker 1: in the nineties, it's cheap. You know, those houses in
Speaker 1: in in Lakewood were probably three hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: In the suburbs, you're spending more than three hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: and Carson, you're spending more to two fifty um any
Speaker 1: suburb it was gonna be way more so. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's a joke that the East Side and the
Speaker 1: West Side have amongths each other. You know, we always
Speaker 1: make jokes about, you know, how much better the living
Speaker 1: is because they're closer to success than we are on
Speaker 1: the east Side right there, closer to seeing what real
Speaker 1: money looked like. You know, ain't watching a far drive
Speaker 1: to see what money look like? Um? Them niggers, could
Speaker 1: you know cross Crenshawn going the overhill see them houses
Speaker 1: and see the life. Um. But yeah, we're still arguing
Speaker 1: over a hundred thousand dollars. Still a hundred forty two
Speaker 1: one forty for me there, ain't that The boys in
Speaker 1: the good houses at that time probably was one t
Speaker 1: one thirty. You know, that's a hundred dollars. My cousin
Speaker 1: have always lived out here, you know, together as a
Speaker 1: whole family, as three citsies. Was it was three sisters
Speaker 1: of my end ntil she passed, but they had never separated,
Speaker 1: and they were always working dentist, reception office, you know,
Speaker 1: doctor reception office. Decent jobs, decent office jobs. But to
Speaker 1: be anywhere they felt safe enough to be a house
Speaker 1: full of women. You know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 1: they couldn't live alone because it's it's really expensive. And again,
Speaker 1: all of this conversation is routed in profit. And the
Speaker 1: problem is you just can't be poor to live in
Speaker 1: that lane anymore. That day is coming to a quick, quick, quick,
Speaker 1: quick end. And when you can't be poor there, gangs
Speaker 1: will no longer be available there. It's just not going
Speaker 1: to be an option. Just not nobody's taking that in
Speaker 1: their community with somebody man you paid man for your mortgage,
Speaker 1: You calling the police and some bullshitever like the number
Speaker 1: one thing where I grew up, and everything comes down
Speaker 1: to two words. Everything comes out towards property value. If
Speaker 1: I bought in in a mill five, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let this jackass. Knock me down to a mill too.
Speaker 1: It ain't happening. Wasting your time drinking at fag, smoking
Speaker 1: at smoke, doing that coke, giving that dog, giving up,
Speaker 1: gang banging, gang banging, gang banging,