1 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Why are group proposals and why are marriage proposals now 2 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: individual reality shows? So a friend of mine showed me 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: her friend's child who got engaged. But it's like it's 4 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: effectively you're coming with your own camera crew. So there's 5 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: there's hashtags for couples now they're hashtags like this is 6 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: their brand, so they're they're brand. It's literally now reality show. Well, yes, 7 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna promote our brand. We're gonna promote our brand 8 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: and integrated into this reality show. What reality show? Oh no, 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting engaged. But my fiance has talked to the 10 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: producers AK, my parents and the segment producers AK the 11 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: rest of the family and my siblings and friends, and 12 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: they're all to get together and they're gonna get a 13 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: location scout because there's gonna need to be a location 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: and we're producing our own reality show. It's called the Proposal. 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: What do you mean? Well, what it means is my 16 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: fiance is going to have a bunch of people ready 17 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: with a video camera and it's still photographer and then 18 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to come in when cued and maybe we're miked. 19 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but they might just get it on 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: the boom. And then I'm gonna walk in and then 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: my fiance is going to read his lines and get 22 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: me the ring that I chose and approved, get on 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: his knees with the right angle so the producer's ak, 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: the parents and family can get the shots. But then 25 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: we're going to create a hashtag and we're gonna build 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: our brand. What's your brand? Oh, Jeremy Allison. For God's sakes, 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: were the Jeremy Jeremy Allison Freedom Weekend? Oh? Because that's 28 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: coming up. We're gonna brand it because we're promoting it. 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: We're doing a press store. What's the press while we're 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: planning for the wedding? And so the press store is 31 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: going to be the next six months while we plan 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: the wedding. We're just gonna get the word out about 33 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: Jeremy and Allison's Freedom Weekend, and then it's gonna air 34 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: on the wedding day and then we're gonna do a 35 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: whole other reality show when we have the baby. So 36 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: it sounds like Bethany getting married and Bethany ever after, 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: only it doesn't feel like they're making as much money. So, 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: but what's going on now is group proposals and for 39 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: the record, I've never got it. I never got engaged 40 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: on camera, and I've been engaged enough that that's actually 41 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: a feat. I never got engaged on camera because that 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: just is so awkward for me and for the person 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm in a relationship with, Like Paul would. Paula 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: never doesn't want to ever be on camera, but like 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: to propose and share such a moment um. I peeted 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: on the stick and that was I will never forget that, 47 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: and I will always on some level regret It's the 48 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: only contrived thing I ever did on reality TVs is 49 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: Pete on the stick. But um, I feel like, if 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: you're not actually on a reality show with cameras following you, 51 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: you don't need to propose in front of a group 52 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: of people. Is on a what I'm saying, it just 53 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: seems a little odd and not that intimate and crazy 54 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: everybody's cheering. It's just but you know, I guess I'm 55 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: just a hater. What do you want? It just seems 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: just the group proposal thing is unusual to me. If 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: it didn't happen on camera, it didn't happen. It used 58 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: to be if a tree fell and no one heard it, 59 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: they should just change the expression now to if a 60 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: moment happened and it wasn't documented, then it didn't happen. 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: My guest today is Gabby Reese. She is a legendary 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: volleyball player, model, and TV host. She has also Nike's 63 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: very first female spokeswoman and shoe designer. In addition to 64 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: her past in sports, she along with her husband, is 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: co founder of Layered super Food, their plant based nutrition company. 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: She has trademarked her own workouts and has become a 67 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: major player in the health and fitness world, with her 68 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: advice being featured in magazines and television shows. I'm inspired 69 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: by her journey as not only a businesswoman and athlete, 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: but as a New York Times bestselling author. Their television 71 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: personality and fellow podcast host, Gabby Reese knows how to 72 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: do it all. Enjoy. I'm so excited to meet you. 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: I've been aware of you for a really, really long time. 74 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: I just have been aware of you. And then when 75 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm about to interview someone, I think about sort of 76 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: because you. It's hard for you. You're you're you. You 77 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: don't know how I perceive you. And I've been aware 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: of you forever, and as I think about it. You 79 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: really have been the face and name of volleyball, not 80 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: just women's volleyball, but the face and name of marketing 81 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: of volleyball since forever. I had Dorothy Hamilan recently and 82 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, she was the face of ice skating, 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: but so is um. You know, so were other people 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: for you. It's really the only if someone said a 85 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: professional volleyball player, you're the only person whose name I 86 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: would know. So that says a lot about messaging and 87 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: marketing and charisma and just who you are in the world, 88 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: and and and sort of the image that you have. Uh, 89 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: And I wanted to know what backs that up. So 90 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: where did you grow up? Well? I spent a few 91 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: years and my my mother took a tiny hiatus from 92 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: parenting for about five years, so I actually spent from 93 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: age two to seven in Long Island, and then I 94 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: was raised in the Caribbean, so my years were living 95 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: in St. Thomas, and then my junior year I was 96 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: moved out of there to Florida, I think with the 97 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: hopes of me sort of putting my teeth into something, 98 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: and then that's when I got really involved in sports 99 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: and other things and ended up going to college. Um 100 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: at Florida State for volleyball. But what did you mean 101 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: when you said put my teeth into some of you 102 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: were just in high school. You were thinking about actually 103 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: the meaning of what you were to do with your 104 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: life in high school. No, I think when you grew 105 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: up in an island, it's really great when you're very small, 106 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: but it also can be an idle place when you 107 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: get into these formative years. And so I think the 108 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: hope was that that was put into an environment meant 109 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: that maybe I would sort of find something that was 110 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: interesting for me, and I did so. Um. Yeah, I 111 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: mean I wasn't thinking about doing sports or going to 112 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: university for sports or anything like that. Were you very 113 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: athletic always as would be born this way? No, I 114 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: mean I think I was active, and obviously I'm very 115 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean I'm six ft three, I'm very and I 116 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: haven't you know, sort of there's an athletic nous to me. 117 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say I was like and I was 118 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of a tomboy, but nothing crazy. Um, 119 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: But I think for me it's always the framework of 120 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: the discipline around sports and the camaraderie. There was something 121 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: about that that really and volleyball is a very fun game. 122 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: But um, just something about that having a mission and 123 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: working hard and being with teammates, even though that you 124 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: know that has its own complexities. Um, that was very 125 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: appealing to me. Well, you know, we're all looking for 126 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: a tribe, so to speak, especially at the at that age, right, 127 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: And I was going to net The question I was 128 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: going to ask was about the discipline. So that's been 129 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: a huge part of your success as an athlete. That discipline, 130 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: the code, the sort of having that thing to grab 131 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: on when things get tough and keep going, which is 132 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: very parallel to business. In my opinion. It's gonna be 133 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: really hard and you just have to like suffer through 134 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: it and just figure it out and find your way in. Yeah. 135 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean listen, I we've taken up company public and 136 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: we've done a lot of businesses and I've had to 137 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: be an entrepreneur playing on a really small platform like 138 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: beach volleyball. And it is the the skill set that 139 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: you learn in sport or another people get in other places. 140 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: Maybe somebody was a dancer, which is a sport, or 141 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: a musician or something where you get that metal I 142 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: call to sort of I think people don't realize that 143 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: anytime you pursue anything um simultaneously, all along the way, 144 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: you're getting your asking its by what's hard about it? 145 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: That is part of it. It isn't like, oh, I 146 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: do business and then it all happens. It's like, no, 147 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: that is all very hard, and you have to be 148 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: able to figure out how to weather that and and 149 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: continue to stay focused on what's the plan of action, 150 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: what are solutions and how am I going to weather these? 151 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: You know, these little mini storms, but also those storms, 152 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: surviving them and learning from them when the stakes get 153 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: higher are so valuable. Like it's not that you're just 154 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: getting beaten up and weathering it, it's that you're also learning. 155 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: It's a case law. So you got your ass kicked 156 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: on that deal or I guess in that game, but 157 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: you learned what to do differently next time, and the 158 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: stakes can be higher when you know it's the losses 159 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: seems so big when they're happening, but later on you realize, 160 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm glad that happened then not now. Yeah. 161 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a really important way to look at things, 162 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: is when it's happening, um is okay, what are the 163 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: lessons so that I have a little bit more you know, 164 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: knowledge or experience going forward, because I I mean I 165 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: went to school communications, and I even think if people 166 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: go to business school and they can build decks and 167 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: they can do all those right things, there is still oh, um, 168 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: nothing like experience and being in scenarios and also like 169 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: listening to your gut. Like you'll be in a situation 170 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: when you're younger and you'll feel something and you won't 171 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: really act upon it, or you about a person maybe 172 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: and you'll be like huh. And I think as you 173 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: get older, you're like, oh, yeah, no, I've learned that lesson, 174 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: Like this isn't the right scenario. We need to do this. 175 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: I think all these things, no matter how much schooling 176 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: you get, it's really going through it that you go 177 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: oh okay. And also sort of I think it is 178 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: different for women than men, where you learn to how 179 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: to communicate and be ready for people to be unhappy 180 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: or uncomfortable or balk and you just go, okay, that's cool. 181 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: But we are talking about business and um, in some 182 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: ways this isn't personal. Even though we're gonna be ethical, right, 183 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna be honest, We're gonna be ethical people. There's 184 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: sometimes things that are really uncomfortable and unfair in business, right, 185 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: and I feel that it's like case law. Literally you 186 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: remember that versus that and how that ended up, and 187 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: so now you remember that exact thing, and so you're 188 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: gonna do it differently. But you're right, it won't always 189 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: be popular. You know, it's not show friends, show business, 190 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: I say, And it will not always be I like 191 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: to say, I realize that's not very popular opinion or 192 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: that we're doing it that way, but that's what we're doing. 193 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: You have to have conviction because waffling. My my fiance 194 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: always says, the second worst answer is no, like that 195 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 1: maybe the worst being in the middle, you know, not 196 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: being able to speak your mind and say what you 197 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: need and what's going on because you're freed, you're gonna 198 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: hurt feelings, leaves you in the middle of nowhere. Then 199 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: you're really in the middle of uh, you know, trying 200 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: to swim to the island. Well, so, so you were 201 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: in a small you know, from a I guess media 202 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: or perception standpoint, a smaller sport, as you were just 203 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: saying before, a woman's volleyball. So that was a long 204 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: time ago before every single person had a personal brand 205 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: and was an entrepreneur and all that. So you did 206 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: you did you have any awareness of that that should 207 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: be monetized, or that that should be marketed, or that 208 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: you had something or to break out in to the world. 209 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: And even modeling seems like an outlier in that case. 210 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: But so I'm wondering what you were. You're building the 211 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: plane and flying it, So are you aware that you 212 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: need to this is fifteen minutes? Yeah? I think for me, 213 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: it was always like the order of importance, right, So 214 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: the of importance was work hard, be good at what 215 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: you're doing, because if you're if you jump ahead, um, 216 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: then you fifteen minutes turns to like four minutes. And 217 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: so I think it's important that you know. I always 218 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: focused on and I followed the things that felt right 219 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: for who I was. That the thing is sometimes in 220 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: sports or in fashion, for example. I mean my accountant 221 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: when I was nineteen was like, why are you playing volleyball? 222 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: I was in college. Why don't you model full time 223 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: and make as much money as you can while you can? 224 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, but that's not me, Like 225 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: I feel more connected to being an athlete. So For me, 226 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: it was first always hearing what do I want? What 227 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: do I want? Because it's easy to get distracted about well, 228 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: they're doing this and that's popular right now. So it 229 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: was that, and it was also understanding that people weren't 230 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: going to see me that often, and so when they did, 231 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: how is I going to represent myself as genuinely like 232 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: who I really am, but also with a little bit 233 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: of a high polish so that you know, you realize, like, hey, 234 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, people respond to the high polish. But 235 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: just make sure that everything's lined up as far as 236 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: like you do the work, you show up, you deliver, 237 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and how do I put a little bit of that 238 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: on top? Right, you're talking about the cupcake and the 239 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: frosting the cupcake, Yeah, I get it, Like the cup 240 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: hake has to be good, but you can put little 241 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: decorations on it. And I get that, and I find um, 242 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: I find that quote unquote fame. It's very challenge. I've 243 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: realized recently more than ever, when you're really seeing people 244 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: produce their own lives for social media, that it's very 245 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: difficult to be authentic and always just totally brutally honest 246 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: and unfiltered and and be relevant because you sort of 247 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: have to be a lot full of ship and fake 248 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: and filter yourself and make yourself something you're not, because 249 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: authenticity can be boring. It's unique and people love it, 250 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: but it can also it's not shiny. And then we're 251 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: living in a very shiny, superficial world now and I 252 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: don't resist. I don't succumb to that temptation because it 253 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: just feels weird, you know, posing and trying to be 254 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: the shiny, frosting version of ourselves. And I think that's 255 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: an interesting thing about fame and being relevant. That's happening 256 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: right now more than ever because people get caught filtering 257 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: their waists and their bodies, and you know what does 258 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: that mean? I think people have to ask themselves what's 259 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: their end goal? Yes? Right, Like, I mean I've been 260 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: doing this for thirty four years, and my end goal, 261 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: um wasn't. Actually I understood the intention. The attention was important, 262 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: so I could create the opportunity get him in the store, 263 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: but show him you have something real, right, But you're like, 264 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: I want to work with that person. I want to 265 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: do this project. That's what the attention is for. So 266 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: when people, um, I think they have to define for 267 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: themselves what do they want? Do they want like white 268 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: hot light and a lot of attention. But I think 269 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: it's a it's a backwards approach. I think when you 270 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: are saying, no, this is what I'd like to deliver, 271 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: how do I do that? Um? And and fight the 272 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: urge to pretend that you have anything figured out or 273 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: it's perfect, because um, in the end that will work 274 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: against you. But that means also that you have to 275 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: have something actual that you're delivering. Because if it's all 276 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: smoking mirrors are also the most steak, then you know what, 277 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: go for it, like make those smashing do that thing, bail. 278 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: But if you're like, hey, I have a long story 279 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: that I think I can try to deliver, then you 280 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: have to. And it's listen, it's it isn't as like 281 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: juicy and like wow, but it's sort of maybe stash 282 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: on your legs. I agree. I agree with everything you're saying. 283 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: You said that very very very well exactly. And but 284 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: by the way, you're right, if it's all smoking mirrors 285 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: and go do the smash and grab job, because you 286 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: should know that. And that's being smart too to know that, right, 287 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: You know what mean if there are certain people on 288 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: reality television or the Jersey Shore or wherever that were like, 289 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm taking every penny off the floor because I don't 290 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: know how long it's gonna last. And that's smart. That's 291 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: the sixteen minute people. Yeah. Um, and many of them 292 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: go on to have a major careers, like a Poli 293 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: D who was a legitimate DJ. That was smart. That's 294 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: an example of someone who used the sizzle of a 295 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: show where they were perceived as dopes and they aren't. 296 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: And he makes millions of dollars djaying. That's somebody. He's 297 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: got all the blaying and that's part of his persona. 298 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know why I've never brought up pol 299 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: D in my entire life, but I just thought of him. 300 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: Uh so, Um, that's how I am. I I'm always 301 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: looking at the chessboard. I'm always looking at the chessboard. 302 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm aware of the pieces, but I want to do 303 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: each thing that I'm doing in that moment. Well, like 304 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: it's not that hard. It's just like you're doing a 305 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: marathon and you just like one mile at a time. So, um, 306 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: you're you're playing volleyball and that those are the pieces 307 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: you're within this on the board but how are you 308 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: looking at the chessboard and what were your moves and 309 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: what was your plan and what was your luck? And 310 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: had it sort of shake down that you became this 311 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: known successful actress, model slat you know, volleyball player personality 312 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: really just a person in the media, you know. I 313 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: think it's it's two things. It's it's sort of looking 314 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: and taking care of where you are at the moment. 315 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: You know, in football they talk about like when the 316 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: guy is catching the ball, you a lot of times 317 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: they'll say something the temptation is to start to run 318 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: before you secure the ball. And that's a real problem, 319 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: right because you're done this before you finished taking care 320 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: of that, and and and so for me, it was 321 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: like when you're in sport or you're in work, right, 322 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: you're delivering, you have to deliver. But then there's an 323 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: important thing I believe is that you look up into 324 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: the future and you sort of say one year, three years, 325 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: five years, who am I now? But who am I 326 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: also thinking? I'm I'm becoming because so I don't get 327 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: stuck here because all that takes so much time, right, 328 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: Like to build any business takes years and years to 329 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: start new projects. They just take time. Um So, I 330 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: think for me, I always have the knack of not 331 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: being identified by the thing only that I was doing, 332 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: and not being afraid to not be that any longer, 333 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: but to say, well, who else do I think I 334 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: would like to be in this life? And and and 335 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: lean into the things that naturally we're appealing to me, 336 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: not forced, not like oh, why should do business now? 337 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: That's stupid? Um So I just always did that. And 338 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: you said an important word, which is luck. I think 339 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: it's always important to acknowledge that you can do great 340 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: jobs and be strategic and be you know, dialed in, 341 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: but you are also receiving a bit you know, the 342 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: fairy dust and the grace and and and that is 343 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: part of it. But it's it's being strategic, not getting 344 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: spit out of a situation like I'm retired now from volleyball, 345 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: looking up and going what do I want to do? 346 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: That's too late? You have to do it sooner and 347 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: sort of think, oh, well, what would be interesting? And 348 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: I always say to people, people want to help you 349 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: more when you're in something than when you're done with something. 350 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, whether it's dating or getting a job. 351 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: You'll if you're dating somebody, five people want to date you. 352 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: You have a job, you can get five jobs. You 353 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: have nothing, you're sitting home. It's energy that feels to 354 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: me like the energy you're putting out there. It's like 355 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: the waves. Zero husbands a surfer. I don't know if 356 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: you're a surfer too, but like when that set a 357 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: wave comes, you gotta ride every single one, get exhausted 358 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: because you might get caught in the impact zone and 359 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: you can't get out, you can't get in. You're just like, yeah, 360 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: so it's good to just yeah, that's so interesting. Um 361 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: what what about age now and being at a different 362 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: point than you were then and a woman and vanity 363 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: and what is that thing that you want to be now? 364 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: You know, like, what what are you saying? Now? Oh, 365 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: that's what I want to do or be or evolved 366 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: into I want to be. And I don't mean this 367 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: in the literal sense, but in yet in some ways 368 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: I do. It's like be a boss, you know, Like 369 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: I used to joke, Um, you know, we have two businesses. 370 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: We have a food company, Learned super Food and we 371 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: have a training XPT. And so I joke because I've 372 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: got these young, very talented, very intelligent male. Um, sort 373 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: of program directors, really smart guys. Maybe they're mid thirties, 374 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what's interesting for me from my point 375 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: of view in my early fifties besides the fact that 376 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: I'm also in a relationship where I'm interested. If Laird 377 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: desires me and the rest it doesn't matter. But let's 378 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: just say it's like, oh, it doesn't matter if you 379 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: want to a procreate with me, um, because like I'm 380 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: your boss, right, So it's like, it's it's it's taking 381 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: I heard it in a quote. Um, there's a time 382 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: that you're sort of like a warrior, hands on the 383 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: boots on the ground, and that could be in anything 384 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: as a young woman, as a young male, and there's 385 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: a time to try to move into a leadership and 386 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: wizard like be the wizard, right, And so I think 387 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's sort of saying there's a lot 388 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: of ways to contribute. And when we're younger, we sort 389 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: of think we're supposed to show up and be perfect 390 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: and be pretty and do all these things. And that 391 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: might be part of it, but I feel like if 392 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: we develop skill sets that we bring our values and 393 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: experiences and other things. Um. So what what I look at. 394 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: It is obviously I'm taking care of my Emily, so 395 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: I have that role, which is critical, but it's also 396 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: going how am I going to continue to contribute as 397 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: who I am, not who I've been, and not be 398 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: afraid of that? And I feel like the women that 399 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: can do that, especially when we talk about vanity. Um, 400 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: it's not that it can be liberating, and it doesn't 401 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: mean I don't have mournings in the mirror where I'm like, 402 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: holy sh it, what's going on? But it's also about yes, 403 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: and I am a lot of things. I don't have 404 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: to just show up with my pretty you know, a 405 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: high butt and like perfect skin. Um. And having said that, 406 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: if I take really good care of myself, UM, I 407 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: feel okay, right, I think that, Um, it's liberating. Two. 408 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: I mean I've never I don't have a vein bone 409 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: in my body. I just never have. But I find 410 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: it liberating to get older and just really accept age. 411 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: And it takes a lot of pressure off. So many 412 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: people feel so much pressure about it. I feel so 413 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: much less pressure. Like here we are there's no competing 414 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: with anybody, and I'm not trying to be anybody. I'm 415 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: not like you said, want to be as healthy as 416 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: possible and look as good as possible. But um, I 417 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: don't know. There's just a piece to it. But what 418 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: you said before about being a boss and sort of 419 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: having a different skill set and different wisdom as you 420 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: get older. It's also you're probably better utilized coming from 421 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: a place of knowledge and wisdom and experience than being 422 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: in the weeds as a warrior. It has something to 423 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: do with hierarchy, and it just has to do with 424 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: where you're better. You've been, You've been through the other side. 425 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean you're not, You're not all the way. You 426 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: don't know everything, but you've been through it. So and 427 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: it happens to me every day that I'm in weeds 428 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: that I absolutely should not be in. I talked about it. 429 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: My whole book, Businesses Personal is about this. I mean, 430 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: weeds I should not be in every day, and getting 431 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: out of them is endless. It's like it's like killing 432 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: every roach of Manhattan. It just won't happen. But I'm 433 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: better served being delegating, organizing, executing, being the connector communicator. 434 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you are as well, having been through 435 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: so much. But there's always new things to learn. So 436 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: it's like, in a way, it's like the willingness to 437 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: be in the keep being in different weeds that feed 438 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: the purpose so that we can keep you know, then 439 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: we're sort of understanding. I love the quote, you know 440 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: we don't live in the world we were born into. 441 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: It's like, then at least we're not out of completely 442 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: out of that. So it's like this art of like, 443 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, where do I use my time best? But also, hey, 444 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: I'll stay a student and open minded and flexible so 445 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I can also live in the in the world. That's now. 446 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: So you're a business part You have two businesses you 447 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: just mentioned. They're both obviously very on brand because they're 448 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: about health and fitness. So you and your husband, who 449 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: I realize now that your partners with I have stayed 450 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: true to the core. So if someone says what do 451 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: you do, you you say, I guess you say it 452 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: was a model, professional volleyball player. And I have two 453 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: businesses and these businesses and partners of my husband. Yeah, 454 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if someone says what do you do, I 455 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: I think, Um, you know, I've learned this a long time. 456 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: When you talk about identity, even Laird talks about this 457 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: I'm laird and one of the things I do is 458 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: serf not I'm a surfer, right, Because I also think 459 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: that objectivity is very empowering. So I think when people say, hey, 460 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: what do you do, I say, hey, I used okay, 461 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: I used to be a professional athlete, and um, I 462 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: have you know, a few businesses. I'm an entrepreneur and 463 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: other jobs I have is I'm a parent, and I'm 464 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: my wife and other things. But I actually try to 465 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: create distance a little bit so that wherever I am 466 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: that just being like me Gabby is sort of feels 467 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: enough like a person and without having that all I 468 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: to be your identity. Yeah, because that's that's really a 469 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: that thing can kick. That can really I think kick 470 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: your butt, like being a child star. Yeah, and you're 471 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: like and you need to tell everybody like, oh I 472 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: do this. I do that. Sometimes I'm just sho up 473 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Hi, I'm Gabby, and like we and 474 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: have that discovery if it's natural, and that's great. Well, right, 475 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm a housewive. I was on the Real Housewives. So 476 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: it's my whole the rest of my life. That's all 477 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: I've ever done in my life. So your partners with 478 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: your husband in both businesses. So you're a business person 479 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: and what percentage? First of all, what's harder being a 480 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: professional athlete or being an entrepreneur. You know, it's interesting, 481 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: I think obviously for different reasons. There's something really straightforward 482 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: about athletics that is not the case. And like, if 483 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: I work a little harder usually in sport, I could 484 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: get a little better and make gains. And you know, 485 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: it's not personal. The person across the net is either 486 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: better than you that day or they're not. I think 487 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: in business there's so many nuances and personalities. And again 488 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: we talked about the good luck and good timing, so 489 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: I think business and and also it's a big learning curve. 490 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: So um, you know with our food company, I mean, 491 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: like I said, we, I mean that company went public 492 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: in September of um twenty, so we have real grown 493 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: ups in that business. Um, you know, you're still we're 494 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: highly involved. But also now you have like real support, 495 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: real CFOs, real CEOs versus When we started, it was 496 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: three of us and you're just kind of dancing around 497 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: doing hustling. Well wait, so it's like and I've seen 498 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: the distribution. You have good distribution, And I did not 499 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: even know that it was you. I thought it for 500 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: a second, but I said, oh, like I thought and 501 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: threw it away because it's Apple. The computer and the 502 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: fruit don't have to be I thought it. But it 503 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: is on brand now that I think of it. I 504 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: saw it in the Whole foods um and it's what 505 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: the like the super food creamers and things like that. Right, yeah, 506 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: it's a vegan creamer, um. And there's other products as well. 507 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: But you know, even that like having meetings with food 508 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: scientists and talking about ingredients and there's things like this 509 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: in food, which is fascinating. You can put so little 510 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: of something into something that you don't even have to 511 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: put it on label. It's literally having these conversations like no, 512 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: we don't do that, and it makes everything harder. Yes, 513 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: it's so it's it's been a learning on so many 514 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: love goals, um, you know, like what's it a call 515 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: for all? Okay? You know it's like really getting into 516 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: it and saying what hill will I die on? And 517 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: and then when you let and then parts of the 518 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: business that you go now you guys, do what you 519 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: want with that part of the business. The only thing 520 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: that we're the gatekeeper of is ingredients and also the 521 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: sort of attitude or marketing tone of the business culture. Well, 522 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: but the ingredients are very hard. I've been through that 523 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: because it's cute to make something in your kitchen, but 524 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: then to keep it shelf stable and get distribution and 525 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: you know, compete and people wonder why you have certain 526 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: things and things and you're just like, because you can't 527 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: hate the player, hate the game, and I can't sell 528 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: this on a farm stand and scale it. So that's challenging. 529 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: And for you, who is a real health person, that 530 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: must be challenging. You just don't make certain things. That's 531 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: the thing we do. We treat We're on a big 532 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: platform that we're acting like is a farm stand, and 533 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: that's that. Those are some of our guard rails. And 534 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. I like it. So 535 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: how much of it do you own? You will have 536 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: to say these things. It's probably I believe we are 537 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: top four or five, uh owner, you can say you 538 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: feel like it's a big success. You know what's interesting 539 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: is the sale year over year, sales increased. For we're 540 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: getting our ass handed to us right now. Um on 541 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: the stock market. I think, like a lot of companies, 542 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: you know these are challenging, but our sales are up. 543 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: We were vertically integrated at two and a half years 544 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: in before we went public. We have our own factory. 545 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: Our co founder M who is our CEO. M was 546 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: very smart, so we had a factory pretty early. So 547 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: there's certain things that because of the co founder with 548 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: us that we made good decisions being vertically integrated. But listen, 549 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: it's it's not easy. It's like you have six employees, 550 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: then you have a twenty employees and then you know 551 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: dealing with um we only co pack one type of problem. 552 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: We don't do liquid in our factory, so just even 553 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: that like getting delayed and you know cold chain and 554 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: all that. So it's again, um, the business is doing 555 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: very very well. UM six of our businesses online mine 556 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: and of that business is direct with us. So there's 557 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: subscription models, there's all that stuff. So there's a really 558 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: great things. But you know, it's uncomfortable to be a 559 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: small publicly traded businesses at times. Ah, And do you 560 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: regret doing that or not at all? Like, is that 561 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: I was a great decision? Was the only decision? Was 562 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: it a sophie's choice? Like what about that decision? That 563 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: business decision because I hear mixed about it all the 564 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: time and you have to let go and and some 565 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: of your too emotional about things. I'm just wondering about 566 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: that decision, you know. I think because we put the 567 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: guardrails in about the products themselves, the ingredients for real, 568 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: that it gives me great comfort because otherwise, you know, 569 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: now you have a board and everyone's talk about margins 570 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: and all these things. So I think that the fact 571 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 1: that that's very well protected. But there's the pros and 572 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: cons of both. For sure, I'm not gonna be asked 573 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: like sometimes you know, you do it and I show 574 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: some validity about your business and you know how you operate. 575 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: But then there's times you like I wish we were private, 576 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: that we could just pivot, you know, and it just 577 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, right, it doesn't work like that. 578 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: And it sounds like your knee deep in it though, 579 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: like you're full on in it. It takes a lot, right, 580 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: it seems insane, Like I don't think I could. I 581 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: have such a crazy business and it has like thirty 582 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: categories and I'm in it, but I don't know if 583 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: I if that would be for me per se, I'm 584 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: not sure, like dealing with so many voices in the 585 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: room and so many cooks in the kitchen and what 586 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: how do you so you're have so many questions. So 587 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: you and your husband are partners, and you've made the 588 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: choice in your life to be life partners and business partners. 589 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: So what like and all your businesses. It's not like 590 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: you're just in one cute thing that you did together, 591 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: one little real estate flip, like your knee deep invested 592 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: in this partnership, that relationship. That's different. But um, how 593 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: is that that I'm not being cliche about, Like I 594 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: really want to know what the hell that is. Well, 595 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: it's been twenty six years I've been with Laird, and 596 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: I think what it was is that we have different strengths, 597 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: and again, out of necessity because we were on these 598 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: small platforms, there were certain things like in the beginning 599 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: of his for example, it's like nobody knows what you're 600 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: doing out there, so we have to tell stories about 601 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: that so people can actually even see what you're doing. 602 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: So I think it's like a progression of well, let's 603 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: tell that story because people can't buy a ticket and 604 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: go watch it. So okay, and that was you you 605 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: were helping him with that. You were sort of the 606 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: producer while he was the talent. Yeah, because I had 607 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: to do that with my work. Like I'm younger than him, 608 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: but in that way, I was a little bit older. 609 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: By the way, is a hundred times better at his 610 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: sport than I ever was at my sport. But that's 611 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: a different story. He's an animal. I mean, I watched 612 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: writing Giants. It's I said, I think, I always say 613 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: which is crazy. I met him and I don't know 614 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: if you were there in mont talk one time at 615 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: the Surflege. I always say he has to be the 616 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: greatest athlete of all time. And my reasoning is, you're 617 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: in a race car, you're in a car, you're you know, 618 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: you're you're on the ski mountain. Yes, there could be 619 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: an avalanche, but the snow is standing still. The ocean 620 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: could just decide what it's doing. There could be a 621 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: shark or a thing or whatever, Like the ocean is 622 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: a wild beast of an of all. It's crazy. And 623 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: I know that that guy said he had garantestical but 624 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: that's just like trite and funny, but like, holy sh it, 625 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: that's crazy. So I guess maybe you're right. I mean, 626 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: you're an amazing athlete, but only because he's an animal 627 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: in the wild like that that's just crazy. It's not controlled. 628 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: So maybe you're right yes, And also he's you know, 629 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: this is a person whose skill set has met their 630 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: destiny right. And also there's other athletes like Laird that 631 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: take on these things and the elements that are are 632 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: very challenging. But I I always thought we could help 633 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: each other. I could help him because in a way, 634 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: when someone is on a mission and it's like so pure, 635 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: that part of me was like I can get behind that. 636 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: His mission was so pure you're saying, yeah, and he's dedicated. 637 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: Um that I was like I could totally get behind that. 638 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: And Leard is a very present person. So as a 639 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: husband and as a father, he's as intense as he 640 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: is about the ocean. He directs that energy and it 641 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: feels good, like you don't even have it. You're like okay, cool, 642 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: like one, we're good, you know. And so and it 643 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: just was a natural flow, like he's good at he's 644 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: very creative, like he's very good at certain things that 645 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: it's were different. So I think we just naturally fell 646 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: into really different roles and you know, sort of details 647 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: land on my side and sort of the bigger thing 648 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: and layered is the genuine motor of like I like this. 649 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: I've been drinking this for two years. It seems to 650 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: work good for me. And then all these very literal 651 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: and really creative So I think we're really fortunate. We 652 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: just have to be careful to not let everything bleed 653 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: over everything like laying in your bed with your pet. 654 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: You talking about bullshit. Well you know, yeah, that structure. 655 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: That's like discipline too. But you have that because you 656 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: know how to be disciplined. Both of you do, but 657 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: sometimes we don't know because it's well, when there's a crisis, 658 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: you gotta deal with it. It's great that you too 659 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: have the entirely different skill sets use each other. You 660 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 1: could be a great partnership and a team. And and 661 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: that's I guess. You have to find people around you. 662 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: They're really good at different things. So that makes and 663 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: values and values. I think the thing that is that 664 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: your values are always lined up, yes, even if you 665 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: arrive different. Yes, And how you want to treat people, 666 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: how you view money, how you view your health, whatever 667 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: it is. I think the success comes when you go hey, yes, 668 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: and you're totally different than me, and your strengths are different, 669 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: but our values are similar enough that in there we're 670 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: really we're really locked in. Well, I think people get 671 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: so enticed by hiring talented people, smart people, charismatic people, 672 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: charming people, or working with and it's impossible two you 673 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: can't there's no price on loyalty and hard work and 674 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: a person being a good person, you know, like that 675 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: you just know that they're man be as good coming in, 676 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, as if they decided to move on, and 677 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: that's a big deal. So I think that that's good 678 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: in partnership too, and reputation. I think people have to 679 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: be careful when you talk about, you know, corporate culture. 680 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: Everyone is representing you know, if it's your business, you 681 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: and so what who's out there interfacing with the world 682 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: on your behalf. So I think that that's where the 683 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: value this thing is important, sports versus business. It sounds 684 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: like the discipline and the ladder of sports is almost 685 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: like it's almost like a physical and emotional corporate ladder. 686 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: Like you know, the road for the most part, go 687 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: to or go to school, go to law school, go 688 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: to word. What you guys are doing with being entrepreneurs 689 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: you really have to navigate. It's more like surfing. I 690 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: really do think it's a lot like surfing, because you 691 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: have to hit it when it's hot, calm down and 692 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: sit back when it's not, and and just wait and 693 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: and that's and it's very interesting and vigorating. Um. What 694 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: about just UM having a successful relationship meaning I'm sure 695 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: it's not perfect, but it's last a decade, So that's 696 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: by my definition successful. It's a partnership at his last 697 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: a decades. So what are your greatest takeaways from that? 698 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: Things that you really grab onto when it's in a 699 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: way very simple? Um, in a way, Well, first of all, 700 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: I would like to say, I think it started with 701 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: a lot of chemistry. And I don't mean like, oh 702 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't mean just sexual chemistry. I mean 703 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: like as people. I think we have this with our friends. 704 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: There's just people you have a chemistry with. I would 705 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: say that we started with a lot of chemistry, which 706 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: I do think is important and it's that intangible, right, 707 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: So start there. Then you have UM. One thing both 708 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: Lard and I do UM, and we've done more as 709 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: we've gotten older, is I'm only in charge of myself 710 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: and how I want to come into this relationship, and 711 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: so like, for example, let's say Laird was in a 712 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: not be deciding to be nice, which isn't usually often, 713 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: but he's an intense person whatever. I always say that 714 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: if he's making that choice, I don't go, well, if 715 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: you're acting like that, I'm go down. It's like, I'm 716 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: living by my code, which is I'm here to be 717 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: nice and kind to you and make your life better. 718 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: And what I find is that when we stick to 719 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: that and Laird does that himself, um, that it's like 720 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: everybody gets forced to the high high bar. Right. Nobody's like, well, 721 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: don't talk to me like that. And the other thing 722 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: that is is the truth of it is is both 723 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: of us have enough kind We're both just sort of 724 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,479 Speaker 1: uh intense enough, heavy duty enough that there's this weird 725 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: checks and balance all the time where Laird's like, I'm 726 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: operating here and I'm gonna show up and that makes 727 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: me go, ship, I got to operate up here because 728 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I got a partner that's showing up every single day 729 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 1: doing their best. So I always encourage people like, listen, 730 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 1: it's on you. And if your partner after a while 731 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: decides that they don't want to step up. There's nothing 732 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: you can do about that. Right, you're playing tennis with 733 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: a better tennis player. And it's really funny that you 734 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: said that because I always tell Paul, my fiance, the 735 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: relationship advice if I like it that people have said, 736 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: and everybody says something totally different. One person said something 737 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: in a different way, and it was Paul. One of 738 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: Paul's favorite things, which was um, which is effectively what 739 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: you just said. It's just a different way. He said, 740 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: I don't work on you. I work on myself. I 741 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: don't work on her. And that's great. If there's no you, 742 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: you did this, it's me. And it's funny because I 743 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: was bickering with my daughter a little where you know, 744 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: they nag you three times, then you snapped, then you 745 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: feel bad you snapped. Then you're wrong even though they 746 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: were wrong, you know. And I was talking to a 747 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: therapist and he said basically the Michelle Obama quote, which 748 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: effectively is what you were just saying, like if someone 749 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: goes low, you go high. I mean, if you get 750 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: escalated escalated, I just stay here instead of taking it 751 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: to the next level. And I thought that was great, 752 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: and and my fiance always says wants and needs like 753 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: there are once there are things that I want that 754 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: I would desire and would love, but my needs these 755 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: are the deal. But these are the things that this 756 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: is the line. And that is kind of great because 757 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: you may have not be working on them, you're working 758 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: on yourself. But there are things and that's that's that's 759 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: that's the line, and it's a small that part is 760 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: a small list, right, can't be big and you there 761 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: that also gives you the power to let so many 762 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: things go just like okay, um, I'm sure for Larry, 763 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: like I'm in my head a lot, like I'm very 764 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: analytical and he's very heart centered, so he's like all 765 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: out there with his feelings and sometimes I'm like, oh 766 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: he talks louder and I'm sure he's like this chick 767 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: is always in her head like where she so I think, 768 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: but we can let those things go because the five 769 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: things that have to that are resent like whatever, honesty, 770 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: blah blah blah whatever whatever it is. Yes there, And 771 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: that's also part of being a grown up because if 772 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: you think someone's gonna show up, it's like my friend 773 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: was saying, oh, you know, my husband he's talking about 774 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: this stuff and I don't even care about it, And 775 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: I go, you care about You're interested in him, so 776 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 1: you're interested in what he's talking about. And by the way, 777 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: he's not interested in everything you're talking about either, and 778 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: she was used to her. I'm like, like, what you know? 779 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: This is? This is we just let it go, like, 780 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: don't worry, it's not a big deal. It's not. And 781 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: that's why it's important, though, to be productive and have 782 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: things you're interested in so that you don't focus on 783 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: your partner filling those needs. That's not us to do 784 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Um And and I think a certain 785 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: amount of uh delivery of boundaries right, like I'm not 786 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: a big Oh you better not do that and freak out. 787 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: I'll just put my hand on laird shoulder if he 788 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: I think he's kind of being not cool and just 789 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: be like try to remember, like I'm on your team 790 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: and I walk away, you're Paul in my relationship, I'm Laird, 791 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: You're Paul. Yeah, and it's just how do I set 792 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: the boundary? Yeah, here to make a big drama, but 793 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: I also will stand up for myself like, hey, you 794 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: know what, Like I don't know what's going on, But 795 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: you can figure it out. I'm here if you want 796 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: to talk about it. But oh my god, that's so fun. 797 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm literally you and I would be a great lesbian 798 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: couple because you're Paul in my relationship. Like that's exactly Paul. 799 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: He's like, I know that's not great, and I don't 800 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: love the way that feels and the way it makes 801 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: me feel. So like we're getting to a point now 802 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: and then I'll just get checked and like the collar 803 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: has been snapped, but nothing really happened. There's not an argument. 804 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: It's just like okay, no, and it's it's really I 805 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: think couples, if you can find that um, that language 806 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: with each other, UM, I think it really helps avoid 807 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: a lot. And by the way, I never I think 808 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: the other thing that's helpful is it's about let's resolve it. 809 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in getting into a hassle. It's like 810 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: I think sometimes people have extra energy, and so they're like, 811 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: I know that's great about getting older. Arguing seems like, 812 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: so do you do shrapnel? It literally does damage. So 813 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: like let's just not take the car that hot, like 814 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: we don't need to. That's so true. People energy find something, exercise, 815 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: do something. Put it because we all have it. It's natural. Total, 816 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: Just let's direct it to something that's going to actually 817 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: give us something positive back. Not very interesting, my therapist said, Um, 818 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: people when they get together, their expectations get together. But 819 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: as you get older, like your expectations get married or 820 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 1: get engaged or whatever it is. As you get older, 821 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: it's the realities that you have to deal with, Like, 822 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: this is the reality, not the We're gonna be together 823 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: and be best friends forever, and we're gonna wear the 824 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: same food and we like the same things, and you 825 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: like to go golf and I'm gonna watch him and 826 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: go and I care about sports on Sunday and weeks 827 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: and all the bullshit that shakes down after reality sets 828 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: in and then like the relate realities have to you know, 829 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 1: be partners as you are. But that's so inspiring. Wow, Okay, 830 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: so what else are you working on entertainment? Once it's 831 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: like do you have to do? How do you be 832 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: the talent and you're being the CEO and you have 833 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: to promote all these things that you're doing or you're 834 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: not feeling the pressure to do that. I'm always you know, 835 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm Jim Quick, the guy who helps you learn to 836 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: read quicker, and he's no pun intended. He said that 837 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: we all have like a question in our mind that 838 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: we're asking all the time, like when we're in situations, 839 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: and what my question? Because you know what your questions are. 840 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: I go, oh, I know what my question is. And 841 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: my question is always what's the point? And how do 842 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: what's the right thing like to do right? Those two 843 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: question in that order. So I generally, um, you know, 844 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: I always say sometimes you're the farmer and the flower. 845 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: It's like, sometimes you have to go out there. I 846 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: do have you know, I have a podcast because you know, 847 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: one of the things I did even when I was 848 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: playing volleyball, and that's actually how I'm at letters. I 849 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: interviewed people because I always liked the being on the 850 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: other side and learning and showcasing other people. Um, and 851 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: so I really enjoyed that aspect of it. But as 852 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: far as, like you know, going out there and promoting 853 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: myself and doing all of that, it's like, only when 854 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: it's necessary, I get it. I get it because you know, 855 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: this is very harsh, but there's a part of me 856 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: that when you learn when you're younger, it's like when 857 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: people say, oh, this will be good exposure. Okay, well 858 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: that means nothing and also cool, but if this is 859 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: your work, how do you monetize that exposure? So so 860 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, exposure for what? So people don't 861 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: know you, thank you for relevance. No, it's you're gonna monetize. 862 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna go and you're gonna implement and integrate layered 863 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: super food Dreamer, you're right there, you hold a volleyball 864 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: like it was yesterday, but just to sit down and 865 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: be more famous and relevant, ain't nobody got time for that? No, 866 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: So it's just it's still came that fire enough, so 867 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 1: those opportunities are there and then okay, we've got this project. 868 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna go a little more gas on that fire. 869 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: But for me, it's it's and it's also really an 870 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: important thing to have a healthy relationship with because it's unsustainable. 871 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 1: And so rather than being like, oh, I've always tried 872 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: to actually have distance from that um and it actually 873 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: helps to be with a person who when I met 874 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: Laird in the mainstream, I was more known, and certainly 875 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: Laird has become more known, and that's been really healthy 876 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: because it's like a total in house check and see 877 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: like what that game is. And right, you're still experiencing 878 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: it because whether it's him or you, you're that beast 879 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: is in your house. And I fully get it. You're 880 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: also getting like checked. It's like, oh yeah, no, you go, 881 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm here to support you, like rock on, you know. 882 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: So it's like a weird thing where you can sit 883 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: in and out of it. And that's why I like 884 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: making content it we're making things because I get satisfaction 885 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: by that even more than like, look at me. It's 886 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: like it's the cake and the frosting. You're back to 887 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: the cake and the frosting. Yeah. I want my friends 888 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: and family to love me and be excited about me. 889 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: And and it's not to say and you've experienced this 890 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: when you go someplace and people go, hey, I really 891 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: appreciated this or that. That feels good. Of course, of 892 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: course it does. But I just think it's about having 893 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: a healthy relationship with it. Um and and um you know, 894 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: I want to say one other thing too about relationships. 895 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: One thing that is also really helpful is when you 896 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: can find the ways to have distance from your partner, 897 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: to look at them and to to feel grateful or 898 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: sort of appreciate those traits about that person, because it's 899 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 1: so easy for it to all kind of land on 900 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: top of you and you don't know what's cool or 901 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: sexy about them anymore. But one thing is sometimes if 902 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 1: they can keep that space a little and be like, wow, 903 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: I feel really fortunate because that vibrates back to them 904 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: and then they feel like, Wow, this person is actually 905 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: excited or interested to be with me, And I think 906 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: that gets a really good positive feedback loop. So I 907 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: just wanted to say that too. I love that you 908 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: said that too. I feel like we have these like 909 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: weird colliding elements that I would never predicted because I'm 910 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: in a long distance relationship in the beginning. I'm used 911 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: to being the twenty five year old that just thought 912 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna be one person and have a right into 913 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: the sunset. And I've failed so many times. So to 914 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: be in a relationship at long distance, which was always challenging, 915 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: the hell are we talking about? And if you like 916 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: the way you were talking before about curating your own 917 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: version of relevance and fame, the way that it works 918 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: for you, if you really lean into the fact that 919 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: you're saying I get quality time with my daughter, I 920 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: get quality time with my partner, quality quality alone and 921 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: then all of us together, and then get to be 922 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 1: alone by myself, which is even making I've been making 923 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: a bigger priority because there was no myself. There was 924 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: my daughter, my work, my part there was no me. 925 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: But all of that makes you so excited to do 926 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: all those things. Meaning Paul will be here tomorrow after 927 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: I have a photo shoot, and I'm excited to go 928 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: on a date. And but if we were together every 929 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: single day, it be sick of each other's bullshit. Possibly 930 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 1: like so I'm I'm liking this new relationship with the 931 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: distance we both are. I took growth because you're used 932 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: to the images of what a relationship is supposed to 933 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: be versus not the expectations what it actually is. That's 934 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 1: why I've said that before. It's interesting, So I that's 935 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: another great No. You're very good at conversation, so you 936 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: must be very good at your podcast. What is it 937 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: called and where does it live? It's very original. It's 938 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: called the Gabby Reach Show. And you know everywhere that 939 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: that podcasts are and you know this is also being 940 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: very These are the things that I am. I'm not 941 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: a control freak. But the things I'm sticky on is 942 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: how am I depicting things? And so I do talk 943 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: about very high level scientific things, mental health things, all 944 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,719 Speaker 1: of these things in high performance, but I try to 945 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: do it at a third grade level because I do, like, 946 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, sort of sharp end of the stick information 947 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: and I try to live a high performance life. But 948 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: my thing is people who do that, they're already covered. 949 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 1: How do we get all that information? Yeah, for people 950 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 1: that they don't have time to figure this out and 951 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,800 Speaker 1: sort of you know, break it down for them. And 952 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: I really also enjoy the learning myself for sure. My 953 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: friend told me about this website that maybe you know, 954 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: I have to look it up and maybe I'll get 955 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: you after. But it's something online where you're basically doing 956 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 1: that Mayo clinic of it all online. Do you know 957 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Like you send in your blood 958 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: and everything and then you go on this journey and 959 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,760 Speaker 1: she's doing with her husband and she says it's amazing 960 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: and different supplements and they both have obviously totally maybe 961 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 1: inside tracker. Yes, they do an excellent They do an 962 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: excellent job because also you can go deeper, deeper, deeper, 963 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to go do that. Um, excellent, got it? Okay, 964 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 1: well this was incredible. There is anything you wanted to oh, 965 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: just your rose and thorn of your career, just your 966 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: rose and thorn. Oh jeez, that's interesting. I I don't know. 967 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,439 Speaker 1: I think the rose is the opportunity to keep doing 968 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: new things. Quite frankly, the fact that you can have 969 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: a job that you like, that you wanted to do 970 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: that for me, I'm never unclear as a real gift. 971 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: You know this, And then I think thorn is just um, 972 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: I thought, I just want people lie to me or 973 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: steal for me. That's never something that feels good. You know. 974 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: As far as wins and losses on courts, courts, that's 975 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: not really you know, that's just part of it, right, 976 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: got it? Yeah, Well you're very interesting and very deep. 977 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: It was an amazing conversation. I'm so grateful, so thank 978 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: you so much. I really appreciate it and continued success 979 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: and everything you're doing. Likewise, you two, I feel like 980 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: a broken record. I apologize if I am. Just when 981 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: you have someone come on, you have nothing, you don't 982 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 1: know anything about them. You know that she's tall, beautiful, 983 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: a volleyball player a model. You know, you just never 984 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: know what to expect. I can't tell you how amazing 985 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: that conversation was. It was enriching, it was educational, it 986 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: was inspiring. It was so great, so great. That was incredible. 987 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm just like really really excited. That was a great, 988 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: great discussion. What a cool woman, what a down to 989 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: earth person. Um wow. I didn't even get to talk 990 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: to her about her kids. I talked a little bit 991 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: about Laird. He's he's amazing too. Just god, I want 992 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: to get to know her more. That was fantastic. So 993 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: thank you for listening. I hope you loved it as 994 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: much as I did. Grate review and subscribe. We keep 995 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: rocking on. I'm so excited and have a wonderful day.