WEBVTT - Ep 97: Matt Berninger from The National 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.280 My dad he thinks he's going to take a walk. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.040 If he's like, oh god, a stream, where a stream nearby, 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.119 Well let's go take a walk and see what's in 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.280 the stream. And now as no day. That's my record 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:10.920 for you. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.320 If your cross section of interests include fishing, the National 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.960 and embarrassing stories about meeting the president, not the current 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.680 one a good one, then you are in the perfect place. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:29.400 With tonight's Midnight Chats, thank you for streaming episode ninety seven. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.400 My name is Greg and this evening's guest is Matt Berninger. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.120 We dialed each other up on the final day of 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:41.040 August of this year Bank holiday in the UK. Matt 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.680 was in his garage studio in California. I was in 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.360 the corner of my living room in northeast London. And 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:50.920 the main reason we were chatting is that Matt has 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:55.240 a solo album, his first solo album coming out on Friday, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:59.880 the sixteenth of October. It's called Serpentine Prison and like 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:03.120 the rest of us in twenty twenty, hasn't exactly gone 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.440 the way that Matt was thinking. It was supposed to 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.360 be full of touring, including some shows where the National 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.520 were marking ten years of high Violet. A shame obviously 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.959 that that hasn't happened, but lockdown has provided him with 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.720 a chance to slow down, ride his bike, hang out 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.200 with his family, and go fishing. And as you'll hear, 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.240 I took great pleasure in introducing him to Mortimer and 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:33.120 white House Gone Fishing, one of my favorite TV discoveries 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.039 of recent times. I also ask about his bandmates Aaron 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:42.039 and Bryce Desner's covert work on Taylor Swift's folklore album, 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.920 Matt's own work with the legendary booker t and a 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.520 string of magnificent collaborators on this new album, and got 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:52.040 into some stories about meeting the Obamas, amongst other things, 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.200 exciting news on his plans for the second movie and 0:01:55.440 --> 0:02:00.960 TV versions of Mistaken for Strangers too, So just quickly, 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.920 I hope you'll indulge me. We talk a lot about 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.320 family in this episode. Matt's new album is dedicated to 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.000 his dad, and it sounds like we both have very 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.119 close families. A few minutes after I finished recording this 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.200 with Matt, I found out my own dad was taking 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.800 ill and he passed away a few days later. Didn't 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.360 really know what a podcast was, but he knew that 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.399 people enjoyed Midnight Chats and that was good enough for him. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.320 He was very proud. So this episode is for my 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.520 dad and for all the dads. I've just become one 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.360 myself this week. But yeah, let's get going. It was 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.000 as fun as you'd imagine hanging out with Matt. He's 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.400 excellent company. Enjoy the next forteen minutes or so. There 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.720 are some links to some of the stuff we mentioned 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.560 in the show notes. Do check those out there. You'll 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.320 also find our supporters button. That's how you can keep 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.720 this podcast going by making a contribution if you're in 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.560 a position to do so. Matt Berninger on Midnight Chats, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:00.440 You're not. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.040 I'm getting this weird. I think it's because of this 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.480 acoustic guitar is hold on? Did you hear that? Oh yeah, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:07.960 there it goes. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:09.640 I could hear it like a little yeah, yeah, that 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.480 was the accus I was like, what is that? 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.959 As the acoustic guitar which I can't play, it makes 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:14.920 that noise though. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.000 It looks good. Record That study is lovely. By the way, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:21.880 study my. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.320 Garage my man gave Slash Dojo Slash. This is actually 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.120 the garage behind my brother's house. Okay, tables have turned. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.080 I'm living in his garage now, not really, this is 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:32.640 my studio. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.440 Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, you want to look around. I 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.840 don't know what. I'm afraid what you might see, the. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:45.160 Like big leather bound books and atlas I have. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.880 Yeah, it's full of that cologne and petruli and art 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.120 books and and vinyl. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:52.920 Yeah, it's awesome. 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.920 I've been really enjoying the playlist that you've been putting 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.760 out the last few months, the Social Distancing Distortion playlists, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.800 where you've been adding loads of the music that you've 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:01.400 been enjoying. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:02.360 Can you tell me a little bit. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.920 About when you started that and how you've enjoyed putting 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:05.360 that together? 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:10.240 Right when it started? Gosh, that's a good question. I 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.880 think I just thought it was it was a funny title. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.040 For Social Distancing. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.680 I'm a big Social Distortion fan, and so I was like, oh, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.080 I should I should launch something, you know, thinking I'll 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.120 just do this for like a like a one week 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.720 or two weeks, and you know, and yeah, that was 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.520 six months ago. So yeah, and I kept doing it, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.320 and I actually I've got I got addicted to making playlists, 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.840 and so I've been I stopped that one a few 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.960 weeks ago, just it's it's holding steady at twenty four hours. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.960 But I've also done another trying to do a hundred 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.800 song playlist for another thing. I've been working on this 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.520 playlist for for weeks and weeks and weeks, and I 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:56.359 keep refining it. Yeah, I playlists are making playlists is 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.320 like is like making art to me. You know, it's 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.240 like it's every song is is very specific and. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:02.960 That the sequence has to be just right. 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:10.520 Yeah, my playlists usually implode on shuffle just although you know, 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.680 the sequence that only makes maybe makes sense to me, 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:13.920 but that doesn't really matter. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.360 But when I when I first came across the place 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.400 that you were making the first few tracks, I was like, wow, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.359 this is an introduction to Matt's taste. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.080 It was like Dizzy Rascal, fix Up, look. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.520 Sharp and even I even kind of copied Dizzy's uh 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.640 Boy in the Corner Boy in the Duck Corner cover 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.000 for my cover a little bit. I was inspired by it, 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.760 just like, well, you know, he's sitting there on the 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.960 floor in the corner, and he's just like a boy 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.039 in the corner. I'm sitting in a corner on like 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.160 the cover of my album Anyway just is a little nod. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.120 I love that Racket record he was on. He was 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.960 on the same label as us back well he's still 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.200 I mean with for a D and Beggars Banquet in 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.640 that group, so we used to see. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.800 Him around a little bit. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.640 I don't know if he knows who ever paid an 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.120 attention to us at all, but yeah, I was a 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:02.599 huge fan. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.080 Yeah, how do they come together? 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.400 Do you sort of like do you rummage through Spotify, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:12.960 like looking through different sort of playlists and algorithms. 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.520 Or no, I mean sometimes it's I mean there's a 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.120 lot of songs on the playlists that have that have 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.000 just popped up because once once you start a playlist 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.400 and then it suggests more things that you like, you know, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.960 and I would say, like one out of ten are 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.080 just sometimes our discoveries from my own playlist, right, my 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.960 own Yeah, yeah, so yes, the algorithm. 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.920 I guess. But but most every once in a while 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:32.880 there's there's something like that. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:37.400 For example, artists like Julia Jacqueline I didn't know anybody 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.039 think about, or Hailey Hendrix or there's a lot, there's 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.560 a lot, there's tons and tons of artists on there. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:45.760 That I'm like, who is this? 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.960 And also there's a ton of artists that like, I know, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.680 I'm like friends with that. I suddenly an old song 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.920 of there's like a Lucy Dacas. I don't know if 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:54.800 I didn't put this one on the Social Distortion one, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.479 but the Lucy Dacas song just came up in my 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.760 yesterday that I never heard it, and it's what is it? 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:01.760 It's it's an old one. 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:03.839 I just I just I've been listening to it for like, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.640 over and over and over again Forever half Mast, off 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.840 of her record Forever half Mast, And I'm like, how 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:10.920 have I never heard that song? 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.560 Even though she's open for us, she must have played it, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:15.679 but that's why. Yeah. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.480 So yeah, it's that kind of way. Sometimes I'm just like, oh, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.920 where's that one song by Archers of Low for Oh, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.200 where's that one song by. 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.440 You know, Rancid or Little Kim? 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:25.720 You know? 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.160 Yeah, I put there's is Little Kim and Biggie Smalls 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:29.480 on there. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:30.760 Yeah, I think it is somewhere. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.200 They're on the new one anyway. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.120 I love their romance. I used to live in the 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.680 same neighborhood, the Underhill up and off of Vanderbilt up 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.080 in uh sort of that neighborhood in Brooklyn where they 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:43.960 used to hang and stuff, and so I've always had 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.480 a Biggie small as Little Kim, sort of like feeling 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.560 their presence back when I was, you know, living in 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.040 Brooklyn and stuff. Yeah, and I love all that super 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.280 sex positive stuff. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.600 dirt this is These are definitely adult playlists. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.400 Was it almost like a therapy starting doing that at 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:00.160 the beginning. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.080 Yeah, totally. I mean I actually didn't think of it 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.360 as a therapy at the beginning. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.440 I started because I was just I was like, you know, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.520 that'd be a funny name for a playlist, social distancing distortion, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.680 and you know, I put tons of social distortion on there. Yeah, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.280 But then it became and since then music, throughout the 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.840 last six months months, music and books and art and 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.440 art books and stuff have definitely been have definitely been 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.560 I think for me, the thing that's kept me most 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.040 centered and grounded and kept me positive and optimistic. And 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.120 I really, really, really really get a lot out of 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.080 all kinds of art and just I mean I'm a 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.120 Catholic and I actually get a lot out of the Bible. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.720 You know, there's a lot in there I hate, but 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.400 but I kind of consider records and art, books and movies, 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.559 and you know, as there are. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.000 All works of art. The Bibles have a great work 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:50.400 of art that. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.280 Provided great guidance, you know, and then the industry ruined 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:59.720 it so that religion industry or whatever. So so now 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.920 music and painting and movies and that stuff is genuinely 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.720 where I find guidance. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:06.000 You know. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.440 It's like Nick Cave. I've gotten more from Nick Cave 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.960 than the Bible. And Nick Cave just has devoured the 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.920 Bible inside and out. You know, he knows every tool 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.679 of the Bible to tell stories. And yeah, so I 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.520 definitely art is where I find wisdom and expression and Catharsis. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.400 Yesterday I went into central London for the first time 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.640 in months. I'm speaking to you from home in northeast London, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.160 so it's not a not very far away it's short 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:36.160 tube journey and that's felt quite strange, although it's a 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:37.040 bank call today where I. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.720 Am, and I've been on a log long tube journey 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.000 in my mind lately. But anyway, that's a good name 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.640 for a song. Short anyway, Yeah, go ahead. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:47.400 What's it like where you are? 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.640 And like how does it compare, Like, just tell me 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.760 a little bit about the circumstance and how things are 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:52.360 where you are. 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:59.040 Well, I am very lucky, in privileged to have a backyard, 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.040 you know, to have a to have a home, to 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.680 be to be a housed person, and a lot of 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.960 Americans don't even have that. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.640 And so especially in my neighborhood in Venice, it's. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.480 A mixture of a lot of extreme wealth and a 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.319 lot of extreme poverty, and a lot of extreme mental illness. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.800 And it is a lot of people who have succeeded 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.480 and a lot of people who've fallen through the cracks. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.440 And it's a very stark portrait of America. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.560 I think Venice is. But I'm from Cincinnati. That's always 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.720 felt like a stark portrait. I feel like every place 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:32.000 I've ever lived Brooklyn has felt like a stark microcosm 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:36.080 of America. And I would assume almost everybody I don't know, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.920 you know, everybody. I mean, people in Mobile, Alabama probably 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:43.040 feel that way too, that their community is a microcosm 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.439 of America. So yeah, that's where I am, and I've 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.080 been I've been lucky to spend a lot of time 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:48.480 in the sun. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:49.640 I've been you know. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.760 I've also been sleeping at my own pace, which means 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.400 I go to bed really early, and I wake up 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.320 really early, and I usually take a pretty good nap 0:10:58.400 --> 0:10:59.800 during the day. And I'm kind of like a by 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:05.080 phasic sleeper. Apparently Jeff Tweety is also just like, I 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.920 can only sleep for four hours at a time then 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.760 and then I wake up and have to do something 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.160 for ten, you know, or eight, and then I go back. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:13.960 To sleep for four, work for eight. 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:18.040 That's how I, you know, And sometimes it's I'm not 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.400 on the schedule the rest of the world or my family. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.400 My for a family, My wife and daughter are night ours, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.840 so they're always up till like, especially during this they're 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.960 up to like midnight, both of them, just like watching 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.679 Gilmore Girls or whatever, you know, and doing their thing, 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.560 and I, you know, I wake up shortly after some 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.760 sometimes I wake up just a few hours after they 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:38.920 all fall they fall asleep. 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.680 It's but it's good. Everybody's kind of everybody's making it 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.640 work for themselves. My daughter's in online school, and that's tough. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.720 She misses friends. But we've been we've been doing okay. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.000 So at the moment, what does an average day look 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.240 like for you, you're obviously getting up early, but you 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.359 are you trying to use those early hours to be productive, 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:56.680 to create, or to just give yourself a. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.880 Bit of space? How are you using that time? 0:11:58.960 --> 0:11:59.120 Yeah? 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.640 I wake up usually around fourish, I mean around four 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:07.360 to twenty, and I will lay there and uh yeah, 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.120 and I sometimes I won't I won't even I won't 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.040 even move for forty five minutes. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.240 But you know, I just slowly. I don't use alarms anymore, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:17.760 you know, alarm waking you. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.800 Up out of your natural bi rhythm or pace is 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.920 like and when you're on tour, all it is is 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.800 a series of alarms, and all day long, it's just like, Okay, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.440 you have fifteen minutes to nap, then you have to 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.640 do an interview, then you have forty five minutes to 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.840 get back to the hotel. Then you have eight you know, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.360 you have an hour then at the hotel to eat 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.599 and nap. Then and another alarm goes off because you 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.600 got to get back for sound check. It's you're always 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:44.679 just chasing schedule. And now that there's no schedule, I'm 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.960 turned my alarms off, right, and so I'm I'm much Yeah, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:53.440 my brain is my brain's burned out, but still pretty 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.320 is more fluid, you know than usual, just because of 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.679 whatever my sleep and just also just being home. You know, 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.120 I'm I'm super super busy. I've been, I've been working 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.240 like crazy, yet I'm still much more relaxed than I've 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.520 been in fifteen years. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.760 I mean, this must be the longest stint that you've 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.880 actually spent at home for that. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.719 Amount of time. Ten probably a decade. Yeah, since my 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.840 daughter was born. I don't think. Yeah, I've never been 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.360 I've never been home this long of a stretch with 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.880 with my with my own kid. Yeah, and that's when 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.200 that's as that's dawned on me. It's made me realize 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.920 that maybe this is a time to rewire everything anyway. 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:36.960 Yeah, I think a lot of people have had that, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.120 like inself included. You just sort of stopping the pause 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.360 to think about like how much energy you exert doing 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.520 things that maybe you don't want. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.240 To do or we don't need to do so much 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:47.880 of what I'm. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.880 Trying not to argue, I'm also I mean, I'm yeah, 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.640 I'm trying to not to not to get into too 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:59.120 many unnecessary arguments over over unnecessary things, you know, I 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.320 mean like and trying to be more professional and less 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.920 emotional and all that kind of shit, you know, with everything, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.800 with everything, with my career, with my friends, with my family, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:10.160 with my. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.559 I'm not being more professional with my family. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.920 I'm being more personal with my family, but more professional 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:16.680 with everyone else. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.880 For the last decade, you probably spent I don't know, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.280 one hundred, one hundred and fifty days out of every 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.240 three hundred and sixty five on the road away from 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.400 home with the National. So how has it been. I mean, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.240 you had plans to tour this year that obviously have 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.080 not happening. Have you missed just I mean you spend 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.760 so much time with them so that you're you know, you're. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.960 I miss my friends. I miss the guys I miss. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.240 I think we all miss each other. I don't think 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.880 any of us miss airports or hotels. I think all 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.160 all five of us and or seven of us including 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.760 Kyle and Ben in the National, if you're talking about 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:58.120 the National specifically, everyone's so grateful to be home with 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.760 their families the same. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.120 Way I am. So, Yet we all do. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.680 I think we miss each other some and we definitely 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.080 miss we miss we miss playing, we missed the fans. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.000 I miss the faces. I missed the spit, I missed 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.040 the wine and the and the getting. You know, I 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.280 missed it jumping into that crowd. And I don't know 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.800 how what a national show would be like if it 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.080 was all spread out or socially distanced, and I just 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.800 it wouldn't feel like a national show. And that's got 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:31.200 everybody really depressed. And but I know no one misses, 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.640 you know, airports, I know that for sure. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.320 On the subject of live music, I mean, I've missed 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:37.840 it a hell of a lot, and I missed it 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.680 even more on Saturday night, my wife and I and 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:47.640 watched Mistaken for Strangers and just the visceral I mean 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.640 that we can till get in a second about that film. 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.480 There's the poster. There's the poster back there. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:58.520 Oh fantastic, it's right above my bald spot. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.520 It made me really viscerally miss live music, seeing like 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.040 the performance extracts in the movie. 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.080 But also, but conversely, it also made me it. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.240 Really cheered me up because it's just such a heartening, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:13.400 funny film. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:14.240 Human film. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:14.600 Thanks. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.040 Yeah, I mean, are you thinking about would you like 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.000 to do something like that again? That was the thing 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.320 that reminded me of of really just how much I 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:21.880 miss it. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.280 Tom is, well, he's still asleep, but he's when he's awake, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.680 he's usually working on Mistaken Changers too. Yeah, and he's 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.160 also doing He and he in his roommate Chris are 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.080 sort of this filmmaking duo Chris Croy and they're they're 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.840 doing all my videos and they did all of it there. 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.440 Tom did all my videos for ELVI. So Tom, Tom 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.560 and I have in careern my wife have continued to 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:48.120 develop the Mistake in for Strangers thing, and so yeah, 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:53.960 Mistake Change Too is coming out some some year. Yeah, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.480 who knows. Tom's pitched it as as if the first 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.000 one was, you know, on a year on tour with 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.919 my brother's band. This is you know, a year in 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.720 the studio with my brother, I guess, And a lot 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.440 of it is the making of Serpentine Prison with Booker 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.439 and all those guys. But then, as much as Mistaken 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:18.280 Strangers Won was actually was about the national or a tour, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:24.520 I think this one is goes off that narrative quickly 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.160 into other things, and this one the tables have sort 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.600 of turned where maybe whereas the first one, Tom was 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:36.280 you know, struggling with his direction and I was there 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.280 trying to whip him into some sort of direction, maybe 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.320 too aggressively. This one is the tables have turned where 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.359 Tom Moore is. Tom's more that providing support for me 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.720 and guidance for me through some rough stuff, you know, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.399 a little bit. I mean, that's kind of what's that's what. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.200 That's how he pitched it to me. And I don't 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.720 I haven't seen anything, but I was in the studio 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.760 and I was I know when he was around, so 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:05.280 I know what he's got. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.520 My favorite line in the first movie, I think actually 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:16.040 is delivered by your daughter, which is where. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:15.640 Yeah, like exactly so. 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.360 Where your brother Tom is having this kind of crushing 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.480 He's in the middle of the edit for the film 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.920 and he's having this period of real crushing self doubt 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.199 and he and he says to your daughter, you know, 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.760 am I going to be a big famous director one day? 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.720 And she just cuts him down and just says no. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.160 And she was. 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.080 Just mad because she wanted her she wanted her Grover 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.040 phone back, I think, and she's just that's all she wanted, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.600 and so he was, yeah, and he was. She was 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.800 also mad because Tom in that scene was moving into 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.000 her room and he was moving in with us, and 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.359 so that was her bedroom and we were here to 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.280 move her out so Tom could move into her house. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.280 So she was she was like, what the hell is she? 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:57.879 She was not a fan of Tom that day. Now 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.119 she loves Tom. They're the best. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:00.320 Yeah. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.040 Now she's now she's almost twelve, and yeah, uncle Tom 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:05.800 is like one of her best friends. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:06.359 Cool. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.119 Oh, I'm really pleased to hear that this work on 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:09.879 a follow updown, I'm really excited. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.639 We're trying to get a TV show made too. 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.439