WEBVTT - JUST IN: Multi State Manhunt Over, Triple Murder Suspect In Custody

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<v Speaker 1>That folks say. It is Thursday, March fifth, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are just getting a breaking update from authorities out in

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<v Speaker 1>Utah that the man who had a whole community really

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<v Speaker 1>in fear overnight and during the day today after a

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<v Speaker 1>triple homicide has been caught. Welcome to this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and TJ. Roadse. We did an episode earlier today

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<v Speaker 1>about the community being paralyzed out there. They say they

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<v Speaker 1>got their guy, but man, so many questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, so I know the

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<v Speaker 2>entire area, and we're talking about a huge portion of Utah,

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<v Speaker 2>these southern, eastern, and central areas of Utah. Is how

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<v Speaker 2>it was described to us that sheriff's departments were putting

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<v Speaker 2>people literally on lockdown, or at least asking them to

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<v Speaker 2>stay home and lock their doors, turn their lights on,

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<v Speaker 2>be aware that a man hunt was underway. Sure, we

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<v Speaker 2>can breathe a sigh of relief, but there are so

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<v Speaker 2>many unanswered questions right now. When you hear who this

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<v Speaker 2>guy is, who they caught, it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>head scratcher.

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<v Speaker 1>It absolutely is. The age is a head scratcher. Where

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<v Speaker 1>he's from is a head scratcher. While he's there as

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<v Speaker 1>a head scratcher. Did he know anybody there? It's all

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<v Speaker 1>a head scratcher. But after three women were found dead

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday in Wayne County in southern Utah, they have now

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<v Speaker 1>caught the suspect and he is twenty two year old

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan Miller. In Rome's Mystery Number one. There, you think, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a young guy. What's going on? And then

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<v Speaker 1>where he's from. He's not local, No.

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<v Speaker 2>He's from Blakesburg, Iowa, population two hundred and seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>It's somewhere in between Des Moines and Cedar Rapids. But

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<v Speaker 2>it really is this small town in Iowa. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you see this kid's picture, he's a kid. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a young kid from Iowa. You see when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at this picture and then you hear now what.

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<v Speaker 3>Police believe he did. It's confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then to try and even begin to understand why,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where you start.

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<v Speaker 1>And they haven't released the manner of death, but they

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<v Speaker 1>did tell us three women. Three women found dead. Two

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<v Speaker 1>of them were hiking together in the area and another

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<v Speaker 1>was found dead at a home that they say it

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<v Speaker 1>was about ten or fifteen miles away. That home is

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<v Speaker 1>where they found They say an elderly woman. An elderly woman,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman in her eighties. The other two there's still

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<v Speaker 1>some discrepancy about the ages, but one he believes in

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<v Speaker 1>the thirties, and then he said sixties before and today

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<v Speaker 1>this press conference said maybe forties. So not sure there.

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<v Speaker 1>But these two women were walking together, these three women

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<v Speaker 1>found in robes. It'd sent the area, not just the

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<v Speaker 1>immediate area, but we're talking about huge portions of that

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<v Speaker 1>state were on alert.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, because police from the get go, once they knew

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<v Speaker 2>that they had a suspect on a loose, they knew

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<v Speaker 2>they were looking for at least at one point a

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<v Speaker 2>particular vehicle. They knew their suspect had wheels, so they

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<v Speaker 2>knew their suspect could travel far. These are remote areas

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<v Speaker 2>in the Utah Desert, and yes, there isn't high populations

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<v Speaker 2>and there's expansive terrain, so they knew he could be

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of different places pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>And we should mention that in fact, yes, he was

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<v Speaker 1>found not in the area, actually was caught in southern

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado by way of Arizona. We'll explain that in just

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<v Speaker 1>a second. But we talked about what, Yes, he's off

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<v Speaker 1>the streets, they say, and there's no dangers to the community.

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<v Speaker 1>But robes you ask, first of all, motive, why you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to understand Is there a connection between the three women? Look,

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<v Speaker 1>the two women hiking together, Yes they're friends, but why

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<v Speaker 1>the third a motive for it all? They've got nothing

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<v Speaker 1>right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from what we understand, correct, he started at the

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<v Speaker 2>older woman's home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's always started there. But again, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why he was there in the first place. They have

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<v Speaker 1>no answers about any of that, and why he went

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<v Speaker 1>from her house over to the trailhead. Also, he said

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<v Speaker 1>he's from Iowa. Why was he in the state? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the press conference, they were asking why was he there?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know how did he get here? We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he stole a vehicle once he started on the move.

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<v Speaker 2>And certainly now that they have his name, you would

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<v Speaker 2>think they would try that would be the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>they would figure out. Where has he been staying, how

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<v Speaker 2>has he traveled to that small town in southern Utah,

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<v Speaker 2>and does he have any connection to the area, Does

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<v Speaker 2>he have family there? Did he go to school around

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<v Speaker 2>the area. It's a pretty big distance and not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of answers as to why a young man from

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<v Speaker 2>Iowa would be there in the first place and then

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<v Speaker 2>commit these horrific crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, they haven't told us the manner of death here,

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<v Speaker 1>but you could, I mean you just oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>They haven't said anything but a weapon or anything like

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<v Speaker 1>that either. But this was a detail that the the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff out there did given the press conference, that we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know about. Right, it's a trail, so you might

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<v Speaker 1>wonder maybe some other hikers were along, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty horrific to hear how the first two women were found.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all we were told is that someone found these

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<v Speaker 2>women on the hiking trail. Well, now we know it

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<v Speaker 2>was their husband. So these women apparently were on a

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<v Speaker 2>hike together. They were do back home at a certain time,

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<v Speaker 2>and once they missed that window, the husbands grew concerned

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<v Speaker 2>and they drove out to the trailhead. They knew where

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<v Speaker 2>their wives had been hiking. And so yes, it was

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<v Speaker 2>their own husbands who found them on that trail. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>because we don't know their manner of death, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what those poor men came upon, but that had

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<v Speaker 2>to be you know, you think about it, maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>got lost, maybe they're in trouble. Maybe would you would

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<v Speaker 2>your mind go to that place as you're on this

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<v Speaker 2>trail looking for your wife, to think that you could

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<v Speaker 2>possibly actually stumble upon or find worst case scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did, And the husbands were the one that

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<v Speaker 1>ones that first alerted police that any thing was going

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<v Speaker 1>on that started all of this. So the police get

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<v Speaker 1>there and they're investigating robes, and while they're there at

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<v Speaker 1>the trailhead, they see a vehicle that they found suspicious,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's that vehicle that ends up tracing back to

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<v Speaker 1>the home where authorities go and then find this elderly

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<v Speaker 1>woman dead as well. So this is how this all started.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they go back and they trade Even though

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<v Speaker 1>they found the two women first, that's not the order

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<v Speaker 1>of the crime according to police at least.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they believe that for whatever reason, this young man,

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<v Speaker 2>Ivan Miller, went to the old woman's house and killed

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<v Speaker 2>her first in her home, correct inside her home. Then

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<v Speaker 2>he took her car to the trailhead. So why, if

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're trying to figure out why he would

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<v Speaker 2>do this, why wouldn't he just get away or go

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else. No, he goes for a hike and then

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<v Speaker 2>on that trailhead he kills the two women, two women,

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<v Speaker 2>and then leaves.

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<v Speaker 3>The older woman's car at the trailhead.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how police connected that dot and then took another vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was police ability through technology to track him

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>D Where is he what exactly is he doing? Where

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<v Speaker 1>is he going? But yeah, he took one of the

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<v Speaker 1>women's vehicles that police say he had just murdered. So

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<v Speaker 1>that technology is amazing. But these cameras, these traffic cameras

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<v Speaker 1>tracked him, these license plate readers tracked him from southern

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<v Speaker 1>Utah said he drove into Arizona. They continued to track

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<v Speaker 1>that car until they got into southern Colorado, where they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to track it down. They said they found it.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't in it, but they searched a nearby area

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually took him into custody without incident. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is it? What sense does this make? The randomness of

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<v Speaker 1>this crime robes this alleged crime. He's the alleged criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>But the randomness of this you said, the husband's thinking

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the wives got lost, or maybe there was an

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<v Speaker 1>accident of some kind. Oh, it was your mind does

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<v Speaker 1>not go to something so random.

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<v Speaker 2>Well especially, look, I know everyone always says things like

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<v Speaker 2>this never happen here. This is such a quiet town,

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<v Speaker 2>this is such a small town. But this actually is

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<v Speaker 2>the exact description of this area in Tory, Utah. I

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<v Speaker 2>looked it up earlier this morning when we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this, and it's again a town of.

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<v Speaker 3>What three hundred folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in what they call a desert high high area

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<v Speaker 2>where they're like elevation. It's gorgeous, there's hiking, there's fishing,

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<v Speaker 2>people are outdoors. This is an area where you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even lock your doors, where you might leave your car

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<v Speaker 2>keys in your vehicle, where sheriff's deputies were actually telling folks, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure you don't have your car keys in your car.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how safe this area is.

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<v Speaker 2>Typically so yes, I can't imagine anyone was even envisioning

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<v Speaker 2>walking upon and finding their wives murdered on a hiking

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<v Speaker 2>trail in literally the middle of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And the sheriff, we give them credit, he's been thrown

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<v Speaker 1>into a national spotlight to a certain degree. Was Look,

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<v Speaker 1>we see a lot of sheriffs, smaller town sheriffs have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot thrown at them, and I thought this guy

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<v Speaker 1>did a pretty good job of answering as much as

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<v Speaker 1>he could. But it became clear in listening to him.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know it's early in the investigation. They just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. And I believe and I think robes some

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<v Speaker 1>of the warnings they were given to the community were

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about this. We've done tons of manhunts, and

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<v Speaker 1>you always hear the end armed and dangerous, do not approach.

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<v Speaker 1>That's scary enough. Some of the stuff they were putting

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<v Speaker 1>out was urgent and scary as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, leave your lights on, don't be alone, try to

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<v Speaker 2>be with other people. Please stay in your home if

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<v Speaker 2>you can, lock your doors. They didn't close schools just

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<v Speaker 2>for today. They closed them for today and tomorrow. They

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<v Speaker 2>said they had counselors at the ready government offices, health clinics.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't just shut down these buildings unless there is

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<v Speaker 2>a serious threat of imminent danger. And that's certainly how

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<v Speaker 2>they made it seem. And you know, to that point,

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<v Speaker 2>investigators have said that these do not appear to be

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<v Speaker 2>target attacks. So if you can't put a motive behind someone,

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<v Speaker 2>if someone isn't going after a specific target or a

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<v Speaker 2>specific victim, that's scary as hell, as rare as it

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<v Speaker 2>is when it does happen. That inability to know who

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<v Speaker 2>and when someone will strike next is just cripple crippling.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's so scary.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, as rare as it is that this happens,

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<v Speaker 1>And as soon as you said it, I thought, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>we just covered another story where this happened. Stay here,

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<v Speaker 1>We're back here on NAMY and TJ on this Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>just getting an update on a breaking new story as

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<v Speaker 1>a story that started our day. It was our first

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<v Speaker 1>episode we put up today talking about a killer on

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<v Speaker 1>the loose in the southern Utah. We're authorities that put

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<v Speaker 1>their community on alert. Several communities, their schools closed, local

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<v Speaker 1>government buildings, told people to lock their doors, keep your

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<v Speaker 1>lights on because there was a killer on the loose.

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<v Speaker 1>After three women were found dead, they say they have

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<v Speaker 1>now found their suspect, a twenty two year old named

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<v Speaker 1>Ivan Miller from Blakesburg, Iowa. They don't know why he

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<v Speaker 1>was in the area, They don't know why he might

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<v Speaker 1>have done this, They don't know what his connections might

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<v Speaker 1>have been to the area. So a lot of questions

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<v Speaker 1>here now. Robes and the scary. One of the scariest

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<v Speaker 1>parts sometimes about crimes like this is just the randomness

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<v Speaker 1>of it. You can't how could you have put yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in a different position, a better position, or a safer position.

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<v Speaker 1>He went out for a hike and somebody who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know you just decides to do what. That's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the scariest type of crime because you can't possibly

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<v Speaker 2>change your behavior or anticipate anything, or do anything differently

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<v Speaker 2>to become safer when someone is willing to attack and

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<v Speaker 2>kill someone they don't know for no reason. And right now,

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<v Speaker 2>that is what investigators are trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>could possibly have been Ivan Miller's motive. They did say

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<v Speaker 2>they don't believe that these women were targeted. So far,

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<v Speaker 2>he's only technically been charged with one count of carrying

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<v Speaker 2>a concealed weapon, but clearly they have identified him as

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<v Speaker 2>the suspect in the triple homicide, and so more charges

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<v Speaker 2>are certainly coming and this may be a part of

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<v Speaker 2>their investigation, just trying.

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<v Speaker 3>To get him to talk. Why, why did you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do this?

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<v Speaker 2>You're twenty two years old, you're from a completely different state,

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<v Speaker 2>and after you killed once and you've got someone's vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>Why wouldn't you just go on and move through?

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<v Speaker 3>Why go and find more victims? That is just frightening.

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<v Speaker 1>And Rose I didn't think about it until this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but we cover it. Not it was the last year,

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<v Speaker 1>was it not? To a couple stabbed on a hike

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<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas? Daughters with them, and some high school teacher

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<v Speaker 1>was the guy who did it?

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<v Speaker 2>Random?

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<v Speaker 1>Is all get out? They found him later at a

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<v Speaker 1>barber shop. Was it not? And that was another one

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<v Speaker 1>there was. It made no.

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<v Speaker 3>Sense and it still doesn't. Clinton and Kristen Brink.

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<v Speaker 2>This happened at Devil's Den State Park right there in Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes they had their two young daughters with them.

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<v Speaker 2>He left them alone. But yes, a random young white guy,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight year old teacher Andrew James McGann.

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<v Speaker 3>And there is still no known motive.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like and police have said, this appears to

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<v Speaker 2>be a random act of violence.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do, robes? And what do they tell folks?

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<v Speaker 1>And no, excuse me, what do they tell? Women? Go

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody, somebody with you, I have a partner with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And in both of these cases, double death on a

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<v Speaker 1>hike bro in this and we might never know is

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<v Speaker 1>just these some of these stories robes we will we

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<v Speaker 1>just will never know. It makes no sense sometimes, the

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<v Speaker 1>randomness of life.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a reminder that, yes, there are evil people

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. And I think, having covered crime for

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<v Speaker 2>so many years, the question people always want answered is why.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course they want to know who and know what

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<v Speaker 2>and when, but the why carries so much meaning because

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<v Speaker 2>by knowing the why, maybe you can make sense of

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<v Speaker 2>it or come to peace with it or prevent it.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you don't have the why, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that almost is never a satisfying answer. When people, when criminals,

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<v Speaker 2>when murderers, actually do explain it, it doesn't actually make

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<v Speaker 2>things better. But we have that curiosity always and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>I think if anything else, to prevent or to look

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<v Speaker 2>for or to see warning signs, or to just try

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<v Speaker 2>and find a.

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<v Speaker 3>Way to keep those we love safe.

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<v Speaker 2>And this kind of stuff is just scary, especially for

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<v Speaker 2>those of us who love to hike and just to

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<v Speaker 2>feel that peace with nature, and to know that some evil,

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<v Speaker 2>random act is lurking and you don't see it coming.

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<v Speaker 2>It's scary and we're just certainly glad that they have

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<v Speaker 2>their guy. So that is certainly a big update there

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<v Speaker 2>in the massive manhunt in Utah. We will of course

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<v Speaker 2>keep our eye on the situation for those WHYSE if

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<v Speaker 2>they become available, but we thank you for listening to us.

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<v Speaker 3>As always, I made Roebuck alongside T. J. Holmes. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>talk to you soon.