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Speaker 1: That folks say. It is Thursday, March fifth, and we

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Speaker 1: are just getting a breaking update from authorities out in

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Speaker 1: in fear overnight and during the day today after a

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Speaker 1: triple homicide has been caught. Welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. Roadse. We did an episode earlier today

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Speaker 1: about the community being paralyzed out there. They say they

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Speaker 1: got their guy, but man, so many questions.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, so I know the

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Speaker 2: entire area, and we're talking about a huge portion of Utah,

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Speaker 2: these southern, eastern, and central areas of Utah. Is how

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Speaker 2: it was described to us that sheriff's departments were putting

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Speaker 2: people literally on lockdown, or at least asking them to

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Speaker 2: be aware that a man hunt was underway. Sure, we

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Speaker 2: can breathe a sigh of relief, but there are so

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Speaker 2: many unanswered questions right now. When you hear who this

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Speaker 2: guy is, who they caught, it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: head scratcher.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely is. The age is a head scratcher. Where

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Speaker 1: he's from is a head scratcher. While he's there as

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Speaker 1: a head scratcher. Did he know anybody there? It's all

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Speaker 1: a head scratcher. But after three women were found dead

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Speaker 1: yesterday in Wayne County in southern Utah, they have now

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Speaker 1: caught the suspect and he is twenty two year old

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Speaker 1: Ivan Miller. In Rome's Mystery Number one. There, you think, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's such a young guy. What's going on? And then

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Speaker 1: where he's from. He's not local, No.

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Speaker 2: He's from Blakesburg, Iowa, population two hundred and seventy four.

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Speaker 2: It's somewhere in between Des Moines and Cedar Rapids. But

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Speaker 2: it really is this small town in Iowa. And when

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Speaker 2: you see this kid's picture, he's a kid. He is

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Speaker 2: a young kid from Iowa. You see when you look

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Speaker 2: at this picture and then you hear now what.

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Speaker 3: Police believe he did. It's confusing.

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Speaker 2: And then to try and even begin to understand why,

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you start.

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Speaker 1: And they haven't released the manner of death, but they

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Speaker 1: did tell us three women. Three women found dead. Two

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Speaker 1: of them were hiking together in the area and another

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Speaker 1: was found dead at a home that they say it

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Speaker 1: was about ten or fifteen miles away. That home is

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Speaker 1: where they found They say an elderly woman. An elderly woman,

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Speaker 1: a woman in her eighties. The other two there's still

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Speaker 1: some discrepancy about the ages, but one he believes in

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Speaker 1: the thirties, and then he said sixties before and today

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Speaker 1: this press conference said maybe forties. So not sure there.

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Speaker 1: But these two women were walking together, these three women

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Speaker 1: found in robes. It'd sent the area, not just the

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Speaker 1: state were on alert.

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Speaker 2: Correct, because police from the get go, once they knew

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Speaker 2: that they had a suspect on a loose, they knew

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Speaker 2: they were looking for at least at one point a

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Speaker 2: knew their suspect could travel far. These are remote areas

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Speaker 1: And we should mention that in fact, yes, he was

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Speaker 1: a second. But we talked about what, Yes, he's off

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Speaker 1: But robes you ask, first of all, motive, why you're

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Speaker 1: trying to understand Is there a connection between the three women? Look,

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Speaker 1: the two women hiking together, Yes they're friends, but why

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from what we understand, correct, he started at the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always started there. But again, I don't know

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Speaker 1: he's from Iowa. Why was he in the state? I

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Speaker 1: mean the press conference, they were asking why was he there?

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Speaker 1: We don't know how did he get here? We don't know.

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Speaker 2: Because he stole a vehicle once he started on the move.

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Speaker 2: And certainly now that they have his name, you would

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Speaker 1: And again, they haven't told us the manner of death here,

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Speaker 1: They haven't said anything but a weapon or anything like

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Speaker 1: pretty horrific to hear how the first two women were found.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all we were told is that someone found these

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Speaker 2: their own husbands who found them on that trail. And again,

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Speaker 2: know what those poor men came upon, but that had

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Speaker 1: And they did, And the husbands were the one that

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Speaker 1: But then they go back and they trade Even though

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Speaker 2: Yes, they believe that for whatever reason, this young man,

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Speaker 3: The older woman's car at the trailhead.

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Speaker 2: That's how police connected that dot and then took another vehicle.

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Speaker 2: And it was police ability through technology to track him

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Speaker 1: D Where is he what exactly is he doing? Where

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Speaker 1: that technology is amazing. But these cameras, these traffic cameras

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Speaker 1: tracked him, these license plate readers tracked him from southern

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Speaker 1: He wasn't in it, but they searched a nearby area

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Speaker 1: and eventually took him into custody without incident. And that

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Speaker 1: is it? What sense does this make? The randomness of

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Speaker 1: this crime robes this alleged crime. He's the alleged criminal.

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Speaker 1: But the randomness of this you said, the husband's thinking

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Speaker 2: Well especially, look, I know everyone always says things like

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Speaker 2: the exact description of this area in Tory, Utah. I

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Speaker 3: What three hundred folks.

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Speaker 2: It's in what they call a desert high high area

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Speaker 2: where they're like elevation. It's gorgeous, there's hiking, there's fishing,

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Speaker 2: people are outdoors. This is an area where you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: That's how safe this area is.

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Speaker 2: Typically so yes, I can't imagine anyone was even envisioning

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Speaker 1: And the sheriff, we give them credit, he's been thrown

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Speaker 1: into a national spotlight to a certain degree. Was Look,

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Speaker 1: we see a lot of sheriffs, smaller town sheriffs have

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Speaker 1: And I know it's early in the investigation. They just

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Speaker 2: Yes, leave your lights on, don't be alone, try to

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Speaker 2: you can, lock your doors. They didn't close schools just

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Speaker 2: You don't just shut down these buildings unless there is

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Speaker 2: investigators have said that these do not appear to be

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's so scary.

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Speaker 1: You said, as rare as it is that this happens,

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Speaker 1: And as soon as you said it, I thought, my goodness,

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Speaker 1: we just covered another story where this happened. Stay here,

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Speaker 1: We're back here on NAMY and TJ on this Thursday,

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Speaker 1: just getting an update on a breaking new story as

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Speaker 1: a story that started our day. It was our first

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Speaker 1: episode we put up today talking about a killer on

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Speaker 1: the loose in the southern Utah. We're authorities that put

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Speaker 1: their community on alert. Several communities, their schools closed, local

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Speaker 1: government buildings, told people to lock their doors, keep your

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Speaker 1: lights on because there was a killer on the loose.

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Speaker 1: After three women were found dead, they say they have

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Speaker 1: now found their suspect, a twenty two year old named

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Speaker 1: Ivan Miller from Blakesburg, Iowa. They don't know why he

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Speaker 1: was in the area, They don't know why he might

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Speaker 1: have done this, They don't know what his connections might

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Speaker 1: here now. Robes and the scary. One of the scariest

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Speaker 1: parts sometimes about crimes like this is just the randomness

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Speaker 1: of it. You can't how could you have put yourself

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Speaker 1: He went out for a hike and somebody who doesn't

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Speaker 2: That's the scariest type of crime because you can't possibly

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Speaker 2: to become safer when someone is willing to attack and

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Speaker 2: kill someone they don't know for no reason. And right now,

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Speaker 2: that is what investigators are trying to figure out what

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Speaker 2: could possibly have been Ivan Miller's motive. They did say

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Speaker 3: To get him to talk. Why, why did you want

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Speaker 2: You're twenty two years old, you're from a completely different state,

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you just go on and move through?

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Speaker 3: Why go and find more victims? That is just frightening.

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Speaker 1: And Rose I didn't think about it until this moment,

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Speaker 1: but we cover it. Not it was the last year,

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Speaker 1: Is all get out? They found him later at a

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Speaker 1: barber shop. Was it not? And that was another one

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Speaker 3: Sense and it still doesn't. Clinton and Kristen Brink.

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Speaker 2: This happened at Devil's Den State Park right there in Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: And yes they had their two young daughters with them.

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Speaker 2: He left them alone. But yes, a random young white guy,

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Speaker 3: And there is still no known motive.

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Speaker 2: It looks like and police have said, this appears to

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Speaker 1: What do you do, robes? And what do they tell folks?

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Speaker 1: And no, excuse me, what do they tell? Women? Go

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Speaker 1: with somebody, somebody with you, I have a partner with you.

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Speaker 1: And in both of these cases, double death on a

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Speaker 2: And it's a reminder that, yes, there are evil people

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Speaker 2: But when you don't have the why, I feel like

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Speaker 2: that almost is never a satisfying answer. When people, when criminals,

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Speaker 2: when murderers, actually do explain it, it doesn't actually make

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Speaker 2: I think if anything else, to prevent or to look

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Speaker 3: Way to keep those we love safe.

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Speaker 2: And this kind of stuff is just scary, especially for

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Speaker 2: those of us who love to hike and just to

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Speaker 2: feel that peace with nature, and to know that some evil,

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Speaker 2: random act is lurking and you don't see it coming.

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Speaker 2: It's scary and we're just certainly glad that they have

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Speaker 2: in the massive manhunt in Utah. We will of course

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Speaker 2: keep our eye on the situation for those WHYSE if

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Speaker 2: they become available, but we thank you for listening to us.

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Speaker 3: As always, I made Roebuck alongside T. J. Holmes. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk to you soon.