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Someone 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: heard a loud Paul When did they say they saw 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: him talking to someone in a light colored collusually a 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: vehicle speeding away? But who would shoot a thirteen year 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: old boy who killed? Check him off? There is still 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: no suspect. There are people in this community that when 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: this community at that time, the mode what happens to 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: him all there was a knock at the door, and 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: then nothing was ever the same. There was a knock 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: at the door, and then nothing was ever the same. 26 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories, and I want 27 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us today. I am 28 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: trying again well with everything I know to use and 29 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: do to solve a cold case, A cold case that 30 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: means a great deal to me personally. Chucky Mark a 31 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: little boy, a beautiful little boy. I always think of 32 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Chucky and his little League, his little League outfit. And 33 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: when I say that, I think of him with the 34 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: hat on and the golden brown hair coming out from 35 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: under it, and the little jersey, so proud, so proud 36 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: in that picture. I mean you just a handsome little 37 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: boy too. And it always it gets blurred every time 38 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: I think about Chucky, blur in my son John David, 39 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: and I think about him and his soccer, you know, 40 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: for him when he stands there for the picture and 41 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: when he gets a trophy or those horrible little metals 42 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: they hand out instead of trophies now and I have 43 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: to think about the happiest years of my life because 44 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: of him and Lucy, and then Chucky comes back into 45 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: my mind's eye. You hear some money in the background. 46 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: That's Chucky's mom. It's Cathy Miller. Kathy, I almost stopped 47 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: the call calling you to join me today because you know, 48 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: sometimes for me, anyway, it's easier for me to get 49 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: through the day without thinking about violent crime, without thinking 50 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: about the moment Keith was murdered, not wondering what was 51 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: the last thing he saw? Did he think about me? 52 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Why wasn't I there? Did he saw? For it? Was 53 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: he knocked out immediately? Well? What happened? What did he 54 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: go through? Why did this happen? It's just easier to 55 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, have a cup of tea, 56 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: and get busy, because you know, I don't understand that, Nancy, 57 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: I understand that feeling. Why is that? I don't know, 58 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: but you know, you I wish I could go a day, 59 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: you know, pretending that it it didn't happen. But I 60 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: live with this empty hole in my heart every day, 61 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: and to not talk about it is just to not 62 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: to be who I am because I live with that 63 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: every day. I live with it every day that he's 64 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: gone that I don't. I think the same thing as you. 65 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: You know, why wasn't I there? Was he scared? Did 66 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: he need me? And I'm his mother and I couldn't 67 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 1: protect him? You know, you watch your children all their lives, 68 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, to try to keep them safe, and just 69 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: a moment in time he left me and I wasn't there. 70 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: I guess I don't pretend it didn't happen. I just um, 71 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to think about it because it's so painful. 72 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: It's just it's so painful. You just don't want that 73 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: pain to kind of enter your day or to start 74 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: your day. But it's there, you know, no matter what 75 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: we do to think that it wasn't it, it's there. 76 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: It's always underlining it. You know. It's that current, that 77 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: low current in our lives. You know. Another thing that 78 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: I really I don't hate it that much, but I 79 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: do hate is that people act like if you're connected 80 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: to a murder, if somebody in your family or your 81 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: friend was murdered, then you're somehow I don't know, let's see, 82 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: how can I put it? Look at you different, You're 83 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: kind of trashy person. You're like, I don't know that 84 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: people don't get happens to every everybody. I think they do. 85 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: You know, no one's ever understood that about that, that 86 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: people look at you different, they will treat you different. 87 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: A sin as say, you say your child was murdered. 88 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, I guess I can know what 89 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: he was doing. You know, if he becomes a victim 90 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: again and he didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, just let's 91 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: put it out there. At the very beginning, chuck him 92 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: off was a little boy. He asked his mom if 93 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: he could you know what, why am I telling it? 94 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: I've got his mother with me, Kathy, Kathy Miller is 95 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: joining me, who I now consider to be a friend, 96 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: and we're going to get into how I met Kathy, 97 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: which is the craziest thing. How we ever got connected 98 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: is fortuitous. It was meant to be. But I want 99 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: to go back to that day, the day eight pm, 100 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: to just start with that day, Kathy. Okay, it was 101 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: Memorial Day and um Chucky would always go to this 102 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: little market, a little grocery store just around the corner 103 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: from our house and buy candy for school the next day. 104 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: And he asked me if he could go. He was 105 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: just going to be gone a second, and he went 106 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: to the store to buy candy. Around the corner. It's 107 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: literally around the corner, around the corner. I mean, yes, 108 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: it's just like not even as a blot, baby, And 109 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: as the crow flies, it's probably not even a blot, 110 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: because this is how it is. Okay, there's the street, 111 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: there's a more of a main thoroughfare where the closer 112 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: to where the story is. Then you pull off and 113 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: you go into a residential suburb and it's tree line 114 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: and it's nice and there's no crime there. It's just 115 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: a regular American suburban neighborhood. You would. It's pretty. People 116 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: are right to a little ball and alley. Yeah, yeah, 117 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: around the corner. It's just like a little dream of 118 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: what America suburban life would be. And what he would 119 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: do is get on his bike and cut through the 120 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: neighborhood and go up to the main street, which was 121 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: not like some busy eight line. It just happened to 122 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: be where a little convenience store thing was. And I mean, 123 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: people don't get it in that part of the country. 124 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: I remember we were little. Oh my mother would have 125 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: had a heart attack because for us to go get 126 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: gum or candy. We would have to get on our 127 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: bikes and ride our bikes for like, I don't know, 128 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: five minutes through woods and dirt roads, and then we'd 129 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: come up behind what was called the Pep station and 130 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: all we could get in there was like gum or 131 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: a couple of and then we'll get on our bikes 132 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: and drive all the way back home. You know, really, 133 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's just a small little country, you know, 134 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: a little southern town, and that's just what the kids do. 135 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: So that night, where were you at home? Yeah, we 136 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: just finished supper and the knock came on the you know, 137 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: to my door. But when they left, when he left, 138 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: you were washing the dishes and you had your back turned. 139 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: What happened? I just, you know, I didn't even look 140 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: at him, because it wasn't unusual for Chucky was always 141 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: in and out the house, you know, with all the kids. 142 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: And he just said, Mom, gonna run to the store 143 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: and get some candy for school. And I said, you know, 144 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: come back, you know, don't be gone long. And he 145 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: said I won't, and you know, out the door in 146 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: two seconds. And I didn't look at him before he left. 147 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: He just was out the door. You know that you 148 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: remember that funny odd because I remember the last time 149 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: I saw Keith and he his family lived in Athens 150 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: and he was working over the summer and he would 151 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: come down to visit me and my family and make 152 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: him and he had come for the weekend and stayed 153 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: the weekend and set Sunday night. Oh, I didn't want 154 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: him to go back, and so he said, okay, I'll stay. 155 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: So he stayed Sunday night. And one got up super 156 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: early Monday morning to drive I guess like two hours back. 157 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: And I remember standing outside. It was chilly because it 158 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: was so early in the morning, and he went down 159 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the driveway, turned right and drove off to the horn 160 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: and stuck his hand up, his arm above the window 161 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: to wave over the And I remember that moment like 162 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: right now, like it just happened yesterday. It's funny how 163 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: that works that you remember this. It's just as clear. 164 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: It's just so clear. And you know how many times 165 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: do we play that in your mind? You know? And 166 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: I remember thinking as he went out, aside, um, there's 167 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: a superstition that says, don't watch the person until they're 168 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: out of sight because it's bad luck. And I remember 169 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: just before his car went out of side. I kept waving, 170 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: but I closed my eyes because I didn't want to 171 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: wash any bad luck. Okay, I remember that yesterday, So 172 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: you go, sure, go. Okay, then what happened? So you're 173 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: washing dishes. I'm washing dishes and then there's a knock 174 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: at the door and I go to answer it, and 175 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: it's one of his little friends that lives down the street, 176 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: and she said, I have see Chucky and I looks 177 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: like he's fallen off his bike and hurt himself, you know. 178 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, oh, no, he's you know, he's broke 179 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: his arm, he's broke his leg. So me and my 180 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: husband and we grabbed our other child, Greg, who's like 181 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: in the first second grade at that time, and we 182 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: just run down, you know, to see Chucky. And as 183 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: we're running, I see that it is so much more 184 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: than that, you know, and it's just then it's just 185 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: like slow motion. It's I don't like my feet are 186 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: made of let and I just can't get there, you know. 187 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm just it's just I can't hardly explain how I 188 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: was feeling. I just knew, I knew. And then that's 189 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: when we find him and he's laying there and they 190 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: think at first that he is a hit and run 191 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: and um they roll him over and the bullet went 192 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: through the back of his neck and came out his face, 193 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: and he's dead. And that was the moment that I 194 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: kind of went away and everything changed my whole life. 195 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: And that's the last time I saw it. Dear you 196 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: say that moment when you thought he had fallen off 197 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: his bike, you know, I thought I would find him 198 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: sit there, you know, just with his arm or his 199 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: leg broke, you know, and I'm thinking, oh my god, 200 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: that's the worst thing. And it's so not even that 201 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: when you saw him, What did you see exactly? You know, 202 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: my mind sort of won't let me think about what 203 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: I saw. I know that sounds crazy, but it it 204 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: just I get there and it kind of flashes away. 205 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: I just saw so much blood because his blonde hair 206 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: was all read from from the blood, and everyone. My 207 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: husband grabbed me and kind of took me to dispense 208 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: or I wouldn't see anything. And the police were there 209 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: by that time, and they didn't want me near anything 210 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: to this um disturbed the scene. And by that then 211 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: there's just this huge crowd and I'm just like hysterical. 212 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm just hysterical, and they're trying to get people to 213 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: calm me down. And um, it's just something like you 214 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: see in the movies. It's just like you see in 215 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: the movies. I'm just hysterical and I can't get to 216 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: him and I can't help him. And you know, I 217 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: just when you said, you that moment, you rarely think 218 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: of it. M hm. I remember that when I went 219 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: to Keith's funeral, I just couldn't stay in the thought 220 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: of seeing him in the casket and I want to 221 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: and the overwhelming smell of carnations, which to this day 222 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: makes me sick. I can't stand it. I almost feeling 223 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: just talking about it. It's almost like when you smell 224 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: lot of gas fumes at the gas station. The thought 225 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: smelling those carnations. Oh oh, Flora, oh oh. I never 226 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: go with a florist. I can't stand that smell. I 227 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: can't either, But neither went in. And I remember I 228 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: just instinctively glanced into some kind of anti room. I 229 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: glanced off to the right, and I saw his casket 230 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: and I saw just above the edge the top of 231 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: his profile, and I passed out. I passed out and oh, 232 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: I just know, you can't really even remember past that, 233 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: he said, all of a sudden, it was we were 234 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: out at the we were at the funeral, that's you know. 235 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: And I can remember the pastor God help him, poor 236 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: thing kept calling me Mary and yeah, I don't I 237 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: don't really care. It's okay, I get it, but I 238 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: just remember that and it was so unreal. And I've 239 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: told you this before, off Mike, that for about a 240 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: year or two before kise murter, and I don't know 241 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: how long after his murder, I have huge chunks of 242 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: time I can't remember. People will come up and go, hey, 243 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: do you remember something. I'm like, no, I don't remember. 244 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me what happened. I've done the same 245 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: thing that's happened to me too. And when at Chucky's funeral, 246 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: my husband and um, they decided, you know, to have 247 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: a clothes casket because they didn't want me to. They just, 248 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, they just couldn't make Chucky look like Chucky 249 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: used to and um, so it was closed and we 250 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: just had his picture on the on the coffin and 251 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: that was it, you know what. Trying to not that 252 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: it matters, but trying to figure out what is the 253 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: worst thing. Is the worst thing when you find out 254 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: the person is gone, or that horrible time after where 255 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: you're practically disabled and there's nothing you can do, Like 256 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: those days and those nights and those hours that turn 257 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: into weeks that turn into months and you're just completely 258 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: disabled with pain and there's nothing nobody can help you. 259 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: You can't get away from it. You wake up in 260 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: the morning and for just about maybe two seconds you 261 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: it seems normal, and then you remember and there's no 262 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: way around it. No pill, no short no there's no shortcup, 263 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: no pit, no medicine, no shrink, no nothing. It's no person, 264 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: no words, no person, no nothing. You are engulfed and 265 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: wrapped around and cocoons and a pain that is indescribable, 266 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: and there's you wake up. You every breath is so hard. 267 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: I just wanted to die. I just wanted to die. 268 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining you in that heat and you've dragged 269 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: your a little child along behind you running and then 270 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: everybody is around chucky and you're kind of off to 271 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: the side by that fence. What in the world was 272 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: happening in your mind? But then there's the funeral, when 273 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: when did you realize Chucky was not hit by a car. 274 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: Chucky didn't fall off his bike, he didn't hit his head. 275 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: Somebody shot him. Somebody shot him and killed your child. 276 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: And the broad daylight at close range. I mean, you know, 277 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: people were saying, well, maybe a stray bullet. Will know 278 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't a stray bullet. Somebody put a gun to 279 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: the back of his head and shot him. And that 280 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: is the fact. That is the only thing that truly 281 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: I know. And I just, you know, as soon as 282 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: we went back to the house after we left the scene, 283 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, and all the police and the sheriff, and 284 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, everyone's just bombarding you with you know, questions, 285 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm I'm just trying to say he 286 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: he was shot, you know, I'm just I can't even 287 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: go there. It's just I can't go there. It was 288 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: just so overwhelming. I can't even hardly put into words 289 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: how overwhelmed all of this is at that moment in time. 290 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: And then I just like my hands starts shaking, and 291 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: then my legs starts shaking, and my whole body shaking, 292 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: and then I start going into shock, and so I 293 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: have to take me to the emergency room, and I'm 294 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just this nightmare of things 295 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: that are happening, and so much is happening in that 296 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: short period of time, like from eight to midnight with me. 297 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: It's just trying to know that he's not coming back, 298 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: and somebody killed him. 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They shot him while he's still on his 324 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: bike or standing beside his bike, and in his liege 325 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: and in his little hand was still a pack of 326 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: bubble gum, a pack of bubble gum. So he had 327 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: made it into the store, just like he told mommy. 328 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: He got his little bubble gum and somebody gunned this 329 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: little boy down. Now what do we know? What have 330 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: you been told, Cathy? What have you learned about a 331 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: potential suspect? What I know is he was seen talking 332 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: two someone in a light colored car, and that's all 333 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: I know. Had to be a man, okay, so it's 334 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: a man. Had to you had to be a man. 335 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: And there are ages I don't know. Um I thought there, 336 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was narrowed down to a white male. Well, yeah, 337 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: a white male both likely to the driver and a 338 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: passenger is from what I know, um kind of us 339 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: acne scarred space rough a rough looking you know, dark hair, 340 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: white hair, wasn't it dark hair, light hair? Okay, I 341 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: think right hair was the passenger. I'm not sure about 342 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: the driver. So the guy with light hair, a white 343 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: male with light colored hair, is he the one that 344 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: had the acne scars? Yes, yes, well somebody had to 345 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: get fairly close to him to know he had acne scars. Yeah, 346 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean it lead out at the moment. I'm not 347 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 1: sure how they got that and how they got that, 348 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. And any any remote idea on a 349 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: making model. No, just like color, you know, is all 350 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: I've Saint Kathy about a potential motive. I've always thought 351 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: somebody tried to lure him in the car and he 352 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't get in, and they shot him because he never 353 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: got in anybody's car. No, No, And he wasn't you know, 354 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: he didn't hang out with any bad kids, you know, 355 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: he was he was like into the sports, and you know, 356 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: he was very well liked, you know, so he never 357 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: had arguments with anyone that I know of. Kathy, you 358 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: know what you're doing about you, You know what you're 359 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: doing right now. You're defending him to me. You are 360 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: defending him to me like you're telling me he didn't 361 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: do anything wrong. This wasn't his fault. Hey, you don't 362 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: have to do that to me. But as long as 363 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: we're a subject, this boy, this little boy, had never 364 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: been in a day's trouble in his life. He made 365 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: good grades. He was the star of the little league game, 366 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: the little league team. He practiced all the time. He 367 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: never missed a game. That was his world, that was 368 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: as it should be, was mommy, his little brother coming home, 369 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: playing little bicycle, his bicycle. Oh, he loved the bicycle. 370 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: That was his world. And it's not today. What it's 371 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: funny that you say that about defending him and I 372 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: do that, Nancy. It's almost everyone I speak to, and I, 373 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: after all these years, I still do that, is it? 374 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't know why I do that, because you know what, 375 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: you know what, people I don't know why people wrote this. 376 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: And it was out there on the internet that Keith 377 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: was at a liquor store and got gunned down. And 378 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: then somebody else wrote that Keith was a cop, and 379 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: then somebody else wrote that I made the whole thing 380 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: up that I don't even know. Uh, I don't even 381 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: know what all they've written does horrible, horrible things. I 382 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: don't even know why. So, you know what, it's maybe 383 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: you're not so far off the mark by feeling like 384 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: you have to be defensive because people will say or think, Now, 385 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute, wasn't there some incident you talk? Oh, 386 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: by the way, I recall um people witnesses were questioned 387 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: and it is believed the part was driving a white 388 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: Oldsmobile cutlass or buick. Right, Yes, I forgot that. You're right? Okay, 389 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: remember the mate. Now let me ask you this. What 390 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: could tell me about the incident where a woman walked 391 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: up to you? What you trying on clothes? Or weren't 392 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: you in a store and made comments to you about 393 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: Chucky's death? Oh it was I worked in? Yes, yes, yes, 394 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: you know? Okay, okay, I you know what? You know what? 395 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: I just can gotten crossed in my head. Someone who 396 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: came up to Sharon Roacha, who is Lacy Lacy Peterson's 397 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: mom at some she was trying to get an outfit, 398 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: and someone came up to her the store and started 399 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: asking her all these questions about Lacey's death. And you know, 400 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: people don't get it. I mean, when you can be 401 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: having a perfectly fine day and suddenly somebody asked you 402 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: about the murder, and it's like getting cold water thrown 403 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: on your face, and it can just throw me into 404 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: a depression. It takes me days to get out of it. 405 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: I can't afford to do that anymore. With having two children, 406 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: they don't need to depressed mommy. They need a mommy 407 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: who was upbeat and ready to roll with them, not somebody, 408 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, disabled with So that's what got in my head. 409 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: Now what happened? This was you weren't at a doctor's office. 410 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: What happened? And um, the doctor sent me a patient. 411 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: I would pre up patients for surgery, kind of go 412 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: over everything with them. And she saw Chucky's picture on 413 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: my desk, and you know, she said, oh, are you 414 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: check his mother? And I went yes, and you know, 415 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: she kind of looked at his picture and she knew 416 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: the history that he was murdered, and she told me, 417 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: she says, you know, sometimes when parents don't take care 418 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: of their children. God calls them home. Well, she hit 419 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: something so deep inside of me that I had felt, 420 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, like I wasn't a good mother. I let 421 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: him go, I gave him permission to go, you know, 422 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: and it just resignated to me. I just had a 423 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: step out of the room. I went to my doctor 424 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: and I was hysterical. It I was just there. I 425 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: was hysterical, hysterical. Okay, you are just making me tell 426 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: my story more than your story. But I have to 427 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: tell you what happened. Okay. So this is years after 428 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: Keith Smarter. Okay, I was living this what happened? Okay. 429 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: So I finished underground and went to law school, got 430 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: my law degree, started prosecuting um. After ten years, my 431 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: elected d A retired and I had originally turned down 432 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: an offered to go to court TV in New York. 433 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: I called him back and went, hey, I have a job. 434 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: Here I go. I'm on my way. And I had 435 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: come home for a weekend to Atlanta, and still at 436 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: this time, even after all these years, I would hardly 437 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: ever go out. I just the sight and the sounds 438 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: of everybody having a good time, I don't know, just 439 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: rubbed me the wrong way after case murder. It just 440 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: didn't seem right to me. I know that's abnormal, but 441 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: just the way it was is. And so my now husband, uh, 442 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: and my girlfriend, who was defense is a defense lawyer 443 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: in town um Renee. The three of us went out 444 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: after my show at night to go get dinner. It 445 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: was late. It's like nine thirty or ten o'clock at night, 446 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: exase that's what time I would get off work. And 447 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: we went to this hole in the wall that had 448 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: Cajun food and I'm sitting there and I the blue. 449 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: This has gotta be twenty fifteen years later, some guy 450 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: walked up to me and said, I was one of 451 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: case good friends, and I can't believe you're out with 452 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: a guy having a good time. I mean, right now, Cathy, 453 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: if you're in the studio with me, and my mouth 454 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: is fellow, but I'm like, I didn't even know what 455 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 1: to say. Did you feel like you've just been hit? 456 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: And yes, I feel it right now, I feel like 457 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: you and to my to save my neck. Well, of course, 458 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: it thrown me into a depression, which resignated like that's true. 459 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: He's right, and you know, lived alone in New York 460 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: and I would come home from work at night and 461 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: just sit there in this quiet apartment and just it 462 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: was like a palpable, tangible presence in the room, that 463 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: overwhelming grief. And I don't know the guy's name. If 464 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: he bit me in the neck right now, I wouldn't 465 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: know him. But I remember that moment, and it was awful, awful. 466 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: What is wrong with people? I don't I don't know. 467 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, but it puts it takes 468 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: you back. I mean, what do you say to the 469 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: wary that you've done. I couldn't say. I just I 470 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: didn't either. I didn't say anything. Nobody believes it. I 471 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: just was so I know me too. They said, why 472 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: didn't you? I said I. I was punched in this. 473 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't speak because she hit something way deep down 474 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: inside of me that I believe too, you know. And 475 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: I was crushed. I was crushed in it. A little 476 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: bit of recovery I had made put me way back, 477 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, and like I was starting all over again. 478 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: And it was so hurtful. But people say hurtful things 479 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: to you. But you were a bad mother because you 480 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: get some bubble gum, you know, tonight time, and you 481 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: let him go, okay, so the other day, but see 482 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: what people don't get in the summertime in the south, 483 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: seven thirty eight o'clock it's just like noon outside. Yeah. 484 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: And it wasn't something new that he did, you know, 485 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't you know? The other day, Kathy, I was 486 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: and where was? I was? In cost Code okay, because 487 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: the children like a particular type a fish filet okay. 488 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: So I went in there trying not to get the 489 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: free samples because they're really anyway, So I go straight 490 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: and I left them in the car with my mother, okay, 491 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: And she is about eighties six, and she was nodding 492 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: off when I got out of the car, and they 493 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: were on their iPads looking up, playing candy crush or something. 494 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: And it hit me while I was in there in 495 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: the frozen food section, what if somebody grabs that car 496 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: and takes off. My mother couldn't fight them off. And 497 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: here I am in here in the fish division. I 498 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: almost ran out of Costco. I mean, there's no running 499 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: out because you have to show your car and this 500 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: and that blah blah. And I thought I would jump 501 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: out of my skin before I could get When I 502 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: got into that parking lot. I had put all. You know, 503 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: they don't give you a bag, so I have to 504 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: put everything in the box. I was trotting, if you 505 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: can see, with this big box in my arms, running 506 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: across the parking lot to get to the car. I mean, 507 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: it never goes away. This is just last week. This 508 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: was last week that I thought somebody would get the 509 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: twins and heart down. Yeah, because you know what can happen. 510 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we have experienced that. We know it can happen. 511 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: It's not a story someone tells us. And I believe 512 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: that's why we have this tangible fear with us that 513 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: it can happen again. You know it can happen again. 514 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put out the tip line again. Four seven 515 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: eight five four two two zero eight five four seven 516 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,959 Speaker 1: eight five four two to zero eight five or four 517 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: seven eight five four two two zero eight zero four 518 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: seven eight five four two zero eight zero. Chucky Mack 519 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: was murdered. This beautiful little boy on his bicycle was 520 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: murdered many many years ago. What was the year, Kathy Man? 521 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: Thirty one years ago? He would be forty five. He 522 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: just had his birthday that almost when he said he 523 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: just had his birthday that almost made my stomach did 524 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: a flip because the twins birthday is in November and 525 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: we were just talking about what are we going to 526 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: do for your birthday? What are we gonna do because 527 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 1: we talked about it all year after, you know, about 528 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: two weeks after their birthday, okay, maybe two days after 529 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: the birthday party, we start talking about what are we 530 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: gonna do next year? We're gonna have for your birthdays year? 531 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: And when you said, he just had his birthday, you know, 532 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, you know, what would he be now 533 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: and what would he be doing? And you know, I'd 534 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: probably have grandchildren and you know, but he's only thirteen 535 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: to me. And I know what I wanted to ask you, Nancy, 536 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: how do you what? I guess you know, after all 537 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: this time, and it's his murder is not solved, and 538 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 1: what if it isn't solved? I mean, do I what 539 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: do I do? Do I let it go? Or do 540 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: I keep trying to put his story out all the time? 541 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean, what do I do? Do I let it go? 542 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: Or you know what I did without trying to figure 543 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: out I'm supposed to be the expert and know the answer. 544 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh lord, what what what's the right answer 545 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: for what she just asked me. I mean, I don't 546 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't think think I know the answer. I think 547 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: I do have the answer because I vacillate, like for 548 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: to day. I almost didn't want to even call you 549 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: and bring the whole thing up again. But I want 550 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: the answer. I want the truth about Chucky. And I 551 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: think that everybody go ahead and mock me if you 552 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: want to. I really think that the Lord will provide 553 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: what you need and what we'll get you through the day. 554 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 1: For instance, I've been so excited about our serious radio show, 555 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: you know, and I thought, oh, I want to talk 556 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: about Chucky. Mark. I want to do this again. I 557 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,479 Speaker 1: want the story out there, I want the tip line 558 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: out there. I want Kathy with me. And I remember, 559 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: after talking about Chucky on Dr oz or Wendy Williams, 560 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: Fate has a funny way. It's not Fate, it's it's 561 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: it's the Lord has a funny way of working, right. 562 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: So it's in that vein, you know, As I always say, 563 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. 564 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 1: If you don't know what's going to happen, look at 565 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: what has happened. Because that's a blueprint. Please explain how 566 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: you and I got connected. Wow. Well, like I said, 567 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: I worked in this doctor's office and it was around 568 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and I was talking to some of my friends saying, 569 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, I need I have to I don't know 570 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: what to do anymore about Chucky. I need to get 571 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: his story out. If only I could get in touch 572 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: with Nancy Gray your name, I just had this always 573 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: I've got to get in touch with you, but I 574 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: don't know how to get in touch with her. And 575 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: we had um, a drug rep that came to see 576 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: us all the time. I loved him so much and he, 577 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: you know, he'd stopped and talk to me, and you know, 578 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: asked him what he was going to do for the 579 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: holidays and everything, and he says, well, I'm going to 580 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: go to New York to see my sister. And I said, 581 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: well is your sister and he said, Nancy Grace. I thought, 582 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: I can't, I can't breathe, and I said, do you 583 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: have a moment. I've got to tell you my story. 584 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: And I told him the story of Chucky. And he said, 585 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: you get me everything you have and I'm taking it 586 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 1: to Nancy. And I, you know, I thought God, you've 587 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: answered a prayer. I finally, you know, you have answered 588 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: one of my prayers. I'm gonna be able to talk 589 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: to her. She's going to help me. She is going 590 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: to help me. And sure enough if you called me 591 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: and Thanksgiving, you called me and you said you were 592 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: going to help me, and I got something. You have 593 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: my people no matter where I am, and I thank 594 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: God for it. Tell you the truth. People ask me, 595 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: does it ever bother you? People always coming up to 596 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: you asking for help and want this and that. I'm like, no, No, 597 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: I welcome in. I want to hear their stories. And 598 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: I remember, I remembered the moment my brother called me. 599 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: I was coming up. I had done Larry King that night. 600 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: I had worked all day, stayed at Court TV and 601 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: gone and done Larry Now how did it go? Then 602 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: I went and did h l N across town and 603 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: I had done Larry King, which was a real blessing 604 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: to me. And I was on the way home and Matt, 605 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,919 Speaker 1: my brother, Matt Mackie, as I call him, I saw 606 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: his number pop up and answered the phone and he 607 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: started talking and I'm like, Okay, here's the story and 608 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: here's another story. And so he wants a men to 609 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: do something? What is it? What can I do? And 610 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: I was listening and he kept talking and talking and 611 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: I never said a word, and all of a sudden, 612 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: I come all the way across town and was at 613 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: my stop and we were still talking about Chucky and you, 614 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, don't say another word. I'm on it, 615 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: and I hung the phone up and I immediately it 616 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: is late by then called my producer, executive producer Dean. 617 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, we gotta do this, We got to do this. 618 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: And that was it. Yeah, you did it, like right away. 619 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: I just knew in my soul that if I could 620 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: get if there's somehow I could get in touch with you, 621 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: you would know my story. You would listen, and of 622 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: all these years that no one has ever helped me, 623 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: you would. I always believe it. I know you're not 624 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: gonna believe this, Kathy, but I figured something out. And 625 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: you know what it took for me to figure it out. 626 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: Many many years I was writing my book Eleventh Victim 627 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: and the Heroine and Eleventh Victim as Haley Dean. She's 628 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: a much better person than me. Let me tell you 629 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: that right now. But she loves to solve crimes, and 630 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: she loves two when cases put the bag guy away 631 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 1: because Hally not me, of course. Somehow, you know, every 632 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: time she puts a band aid on somebody else, it's 633 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: like putting a band aid on her. I mean, I 634 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: get so much joy. I guess is the only word 635 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: I know. It's not really joy. But I'm getting to 636 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: talk to you and talk about Chucky and putting it 637 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: out there again. It just feels like somehow we're putting 638 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: it out in the universe, and it's somehow, some way 639 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 1: somebody knows something and somebody is going to come forward. Everybody, Please, 640 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 1: if you can hear our voices, please go to crime 641 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: online dot com. I wrote a story a while back 642 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: about Chucky. Alan is going to join me with the 643 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: story of his own own and you'll see his picture 644 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: and you will see and meet Kathy Miller. Kathy, my 645 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: brother told me a story that you told him, and 646 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: this is how it goes. You finally moved out of 647 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: that house, and you were in your new house and 648 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: you we're putting all the furniture in and you were 649 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: putting up pictures, that's what you were doing. And you 650 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: put up the pictures of Chucky and I am with you. 651 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:42,720 Speaker 1: I have um out, I have out all my letters 652 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: from Keith, I have his baseball, and I can walk 653 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: by and touch them whenever I want to. You were 654 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: putting up Chucky's pictures, so you got them all up. 655 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: You walk tither room. You hadn't been out of the 656 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: room ten minutes, and all of a sudden, crash, you 657 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: go back in. All the pictures, not one the pictures 658 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: of Chucky had all crashed to the floor. And your 659 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: son has said he saw Chuck you run through the house. Mhm. 660 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy, but that's so true. I 661 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: mean strange and unusual happenings. That is so true. I mean, 662 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 1: and he is with me. Tell me that part. Please 663 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: tell me that part. I want to hear that so much, 664 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: that he's he's with me. He every picture just fell, 665 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean all at the same time, not one at 666 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: a time, they were all all at the same time, 667 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: just fell. And Greg just said, Mama, Chuck just ran 668 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: through here. He just went down the hall, and he's 669 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: so he's with me here, he's with me, And that's 670 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:04,399 Speaker 1: just that really happened. You know. You asked me if 671 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: should we just let it go. I don't know. I 672 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: don't know how to let things go. I'm sure I 673 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 1: don't probably tell you to let it go, but I 674 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: don't know how to do that. And it's like if 675 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: I let it go, and what kind of mama am I? 676 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: You know? We know the answers our children. We were 677 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: there when we gave birth to them, we were there 678 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: when they're hurt, were there and they're good times. Well 679 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't there when he died. And if I leave him, 680 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: I leave him. Well there's your answer right there. You 681 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: can't let go of this any more than you can 682 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: forget it. You can't let go. People always say, you know, how, 683 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: why are you still doing this? You know you gotta 684 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,399 Speaker 1: let it go. Well, if they would tell me how 685 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: to let how do you let your child go? You know, 686 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: you pick a child and you let them go. You know, 687 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: you pick your child? Which one would you pick? And 688 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,240 Speaker 1: you let them go? And you're right, said, is my answer. 689 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: I'll never let it go. I'm his mother. I need 690 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: to know how much child died and why. I know 691 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,919 Speaker 1: everything else. I just gotta know why him and why 692 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: he died and if he was scared, you know, and 693 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: was the last thing he thought maybe I need my 694 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: mom because that little boys always need their mom. Today 695 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: Memorial Day, we remember those people, those heroes who have 696 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: made the ultimate sacrifice for us, those fallen in the 697 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: line of duty, Fallen soldiers. First Army Sergeant first Class 698 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: Stephen B. Cribbin, who served during Operation Freedom Sentinel. He 699 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: is from Semi Valley, California. He died far far away 700 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:55,320 Speaker 1: from home in the Logar Province, Afghanistan, because of wounds 701 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: sustained in combat. He had been assigned to the second 702 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: Italian tenth Special Forces Group, Army First Lieutenant Weston C. Lee, 703 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:16,359 Speaker 1: who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom. First Lieutenant Western Sea 704 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 1: Lee was just twenty from Bluffed And Georgia. He also 705 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: died far from home and Mosul, Iraq. He died of 706 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: injuries sustained conducting security. He had been assigned to the 707 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: first Battalion Infantry Regiment, second Brigade, Combat Team, eighty second 708 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: Airborne Division, Fort Bragg. Army Sergeant first Class Houghton OH. Brown. 709 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: He served during Operation Freedom Sentinel. He was from Brooklyn, 710 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:58,280 Speaker 1: New York. He died far away a can't bring Kuwait 711 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: after a non combat related incident. He was assigned to 712 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 1: the three hundred six Engineer Company, the four hundred eleven 713 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: Engineer Brigade, described as a role model and a mentor. 714 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: We remember Army Chief Warrant Officer Jacob M. Sims. He 715 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:30,280 Speaker 1: died serving Operation Freedom Sentinel, just thirty six from Juneau, Alaska. 716 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: He died far away from friends and family in the 717 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: Logar Province, Afghanistan. He was in a helicopter crash. He 718 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,280 Speaker 1: was assigned to the fourth Battalion, the hundred sixtieth Special 719 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: Operations Aviation Regiment in the Joint Base Lewis McCord, Washington. 720 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: He lived by a creed that few understand and fear 721 00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 1: or embody. He will never be forgotten. My dad lied 722 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: about his age, gave up a basketball scholarship to go 723 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:15,840 Speaker 1: and fight for our country. He made it home. These 724 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: fallen soldiers did not. Today we remember them. Thank God. 725 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: Bless America. 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