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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Solid Verbal I'll that for me.
Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 1: be happy.
Speaker 4: You want to be happy?
Speaker 2: For day at the State?
Speaker 1: Is that? Whoom?
Speaker 4: Whoom?
Speaker 2: And now down and tie.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Solid Rebel boys and girls. My
Speaker 1: name is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there
Speaker 1: in beautiful New York City. My man Dan Rubinstein, sir,
Speaker 1: how are you tie?
Speaker 2: Like ed Orzron? I am tired. I feel disheartened at
Speaker 2: certain things. Yeah, but ultimately I'm resolute and inexplicably still
Speaker 2: covered in gatorade.
Speaker 1: We're a little bit tired, Dan, are we not. It
Speaker 1: was a late night, not just because of the in
Speaker 1: my case Notre Dame game, the Notre Dame win over USC,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into and winding down from that game,
Speaker 1: but then also I get back to the house because
Speaker 1: I watched with Mama aged and solid wife, and lay
Speaker 1: down in bed ready to turn in for the evening.
Speaker 1: Another successful day of college football week thirteen. By the way,
Speaker 1: we been a while since I played that sound, but yes,
Speaker 1: as we kind of get towards the end of November
Speaker 1: here and particularly on Thanksgiving weekend, need to play it. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm laying in bed, ready to turn in for the night.
Speaker 1: Another successful college football weekend. And then I look at
Speaker 1: my phone, and I look at Twitter coming alive at
Speaker 1: the prospect of septuple overtime. That's seven overtimes in the
Speaker 1: LSU Texas A and M game. A and M eventually
Speaker 1: did end up winning that football game seventy four to
Speaker 1: seventy two. We'll get into that as well. But a
Speaker 1: little bit of a later night for us old goats here.
Speaker 2: It was, indeed, ty, it was indeed. I think we
Speaker 2: are better for the wear. I don't think we're worse
Speaker 2: for the wear. But we've got a lot to run down.
Speaker 2: And luckily I was fortifying my brain with what was
Speaker 2: what four days, three and a half days of college
Speaker 2: football weirdness. So I am, I am strengthened, and I'm ready.
Speaker 1: You are correct. Why don't we start here where we
Speaker 1: always do on a Sunday. Let's get into your week thirteen,
Speaker 1: your rivalry week, your Thanksgiving Day week, reverbs.
Speaker 4: Have a listen, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim. I'm not mad, Jim,
Speaker 4: I'm just disappointed. He this is where calling from the
Speaker 4: horse roop.
Speaker 1: Hi, this is Adreams from New York City.
Speaker 4: Hey, everyone, Bourballer's world at Large. Alex from Shanghai calling Patty.
Speaker 4: This is Sarah from Houston.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 5: Jim Harbaugh is a dork and he will never ever
Speaker 5: be Ohio State.
Speaker 4: What was your favorite Michigan run up the middle for
Speaker 4: no game?
Speaker 3: Summarizing Ern Myers press conference, it takes a tough man
Speaker 3: to make a tender chicken fo Hi.
Speaker 5: I'm a Michigan State fan, Okay, I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Hang up now.
Speaker 3: As a Hawkeye fan living in Lincoln, Nebraska, I just
Speaker 3: want to take some time to reflect on this Nebraska
Speaker 3: finishes four and eight.
Speaker 4: God, that feels good to say that this.
Speaker 2: Is Michael and Madison.
Speaker 1: Let it be known that nobody beats Minnesota sixteen times.
Speaker 4: In a row, which it looks like for the second
Speaker 4: year in a row.
Speaker 2: I like Indiana is going to be able to save
Speaker 2: the day for a ball game.
Speaker 5: If you took the under in the OU West Virginia game,
Speaker 5: number one, what were you thinking? And number two, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: And then like to report the entire West Virginia offense
Speaker 4: today losing effort. Do you think that the long worn
Speaker 4: defense knows that there's four quarters in a football game?
Speaker 4: Do you do you think they know that they're wie
Speaker 4: up on the pollute? At any moment, the yetti will
Speaker 4: walk onto the field of the Washington Warston Safety game
Speaker 4: because it's beginning to look more and more like a
Speaker 4: natural habitat.
Speaker 3: It was a rough night for Washington State. Not only
Speaker 3: did they eliminate themselves from playoff contention this year, but
Speaker 3: they disqualified themselves from participation in the twenty twenty two
Speaker 3: Beijing Winter Olympic.
Speaker 4: Oh the weather outside is frightful and Miles Gaska looks
Speaker 4: so delightful four oh eight in the West.
Speaker 5: Coast, and the location of the Territorial Cup is still
Speaker 5: in Tempe, Arizona, Utah.
Speaker 4: Youth's offense is why I have trust issues.
Speaker 1: The Notre Dame fighting Iris have fulled off victory and
Speaker 1: the last possible second, as I was afraid this game
Speaker 1: would go.
Speaker 4: I congratulates this to the USC for playing an out.
Speaker 1: Of the ball game, and that game might have been garbage,
Speaker 1: But holy Notre Dame is going to the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with my head. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it.
Speaker 4: My hockey stole one from the law.
Speaker 1: Who's good Greek for a game.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what it's going to take to
Speaker 4: get the common wealth back in Charlotte'sville anymore. They're the
Speaker 4: better team, everything's in their favor, and they still find
Speaker 4: a way to lose. You guys are great, alburn Sun.
Speaker 4: The all time I'd like to afford a crime I'm
Speaker 4: here between the head is when someone just got murdered.
Speaker 4: You know it's rivalry week. You can throw out those
Speaker 4: records and throw out those players in the egg bowl, because.
Speaker 1: Wow, there was a fight, and my aggis are about
Speaker 1: to go into seventh over time, and then I really
Speaker 1: want to win and.
Speaker 4: Beat those Tigers. I really just want to go to bed.
Speaker 4: They're finally over seven overtimes. Thank god. After the seven
Speaker 4: overtime game in college station. I'm very grateful for college football.
Speaker 4: Just left Caylefield and I don't smoke, but I need
Speaker 4: me a cigarette after that. You're twenty eighteen l Street
Speaker 4: Tigers just played in the high school in the FBS history.
Speaker 4: So there's that. Just calling to find out how to
Speaker 4: mark myself safe on Facebook after surviving this Texas A
Speaker 4: and MLSU game.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, there you go, a lot of messages. Yes, came
Speaker 1: through last night. Hats off to our boy Tooler down
Speaker 1: there in DC doing yeomen's work cutting all those up,
Speaker 1: mashing them together into our fine segment that we'd like
Speaker 1: to call the Reverbs again. Thank you for calling in
Speaker 1: four we eight verbal one. The WNE will be open
Speaker 1: next weekend as well, and if you don't get through
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Speaker 2: This week with those reverbs that indescribable fifth flavor tie.
Speaker 1: That's right. So here is the state of affairs through
Speaker 1: thirteen weeks of the season. Number one, number two, and
Speaker 1: number three Alabama, Clemson and Notre Dame all one. Michigan
Speaker 1: number four lost in blowout fashion, which we'll start with here.
Speaker 1: Lsu I mentioned the overtime loss, and also Wazoo, who
Speaker 1: was eight. They lost in the Apple Cup UCF one.
Speaker 1: They were ninth, but they lost Mackenzie Milton to a
Speaker 1: really bad knee injury. Hopefully he recovers quickly from that.
Speaker 1: And then everyone else in the top ten one, which
Speaker 1: means Georgia probably moves up to fourth, Oklahoma probably to fifth,
Speaker 1: and I would assume Ohio State now to number six.
Speaker 1: So we can get into how all of that works
Speaker 1: together here as it relates to the playoff as we
Speaker 1: go through all of our recaps, but a couple teams
Speaker 1: three to be exact in the top ten all go
Speaker 1: down in rivalry week.
Speaker 2: Yes, and if nothing else, this week really did stamp
Speaker 2: the fact that there is no real upper middle class
Speaker 2: college football this year. We've got the top of the
Speaker 2: top and then we've got pretty good. But looking at
Speaker 2: Florida's going to be a top ten team. Texas is
Speaker 2: going to be borderline top ten, Kentucky's going to be
Speaker 2: borderline top ten. This is a it's just a there's
Speaker 2: a gap. This was the gap year tie.
Speaker 1: This was the gap year. Let's start though with the game.
Speaker 1: Who just got murdered? Ohio State sixty two, Michigan thirty nine.
Speaker 1: The only good news for Michigan.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm ready for this.
Speaker 1: Desmon Howard moved them up to second in his polls.
Speaker 2: What can you hear?
Speaker 1: Desmon Howard's argument on game day? Well, this was before
Speaker 1: the game, Before the game. Yeah, I was telling a joke, Dan, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He had nailed it. You got me. I thought he
Speaker 2: did it after the fact. Where it's Ohio State one,
Speaker 2: Michigan two.
Speaker 1: I mean he might. I heard his argument on game
Speaker 1: day yesterday. It's not beyond the realm of possible.
Speaker 2: I honestly didn't. What did he say.
Speaker 1: He made the same argument you did about Michigan potentially
Speaker 1: jumping Notre Dame, but he did a much poorer job
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I would like to recant upon for the review my
Speaker 2: stance that Michigan should be ahead of Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Here is the bad news for Michigan. In addition to
Speaker 1: the fact that they lost and gave up sixty two
Speaker 1: points and five one hundred and sixty seven yards, they're
Speaker 1: now zero to four in the Jim Harbaugh era against
Speaker 1: Ohio State. So, I know, we make a parody of
Speaker 1: the does X have a Y problem?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You probably could make a decent case at this point
Speaker 1: that Michigan does have a legit Ohio State problem.
Speaker 2: I mean, they have probably deeper problems than that, which
Speaker 2: is very strange to say. And we can talk about
Speaker 2: this game specifically within the context of that statement that
Speaker 2: I just made. But Michigan had a very good year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they did, had a very very good year. And if
Speaker 2: you haven't read the piece, and I speak to you,
Speaker 2: and I speak to anybody listening by, I think it's
Speaker 2: Mike Rosenberg at SI about you know, Michigan looking inward,
Speaker 2: that they have done plenty to have entirely successful years
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten. They finished the season going what
Speaker 2: ten and two, with a lot of dominating victories over
Speaker 2: conference opponents, But they have their season book ended against
Speaker 2: Notre Dame and Ohio State, which, to be clear, these
Speaker 2: are playoff caliber teams that Michigan is not on a
Speaker 2: level to hang generate points consistently and adjust defensively against
Speaker 2: the very best, and that appears to be the Michigan
Speaker 2: Wolverine bar historically competing against the very best, competing against
Speaker 2: Ohio State, who they have not beaten in now what
Speaker 2: seven years, and they've lost fourteen to fifteen. So Michigan
Speaker 2: is at this weird inflection point where they need to
Speaker 2: figure out how to go from very good to great.
Speaker 2: Because this is a conversation we had after Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: They looked better after Notre Dame, but after yesterday, and
Speaker 2: to me, the story is still very much Ohio State's
Speaker 2: dominance rather than Michigan's lack thereofed agreed, but Michigan wise,
Speaker 2: it's that conversation that needs to happen internally because they
Speaker 2: looked on both sides of the field stubborn in struggling
Speaker 2: to keep up with what we saw to be capital
Speaker 2: g great Ohio State, which we have not seen terribly
Speaker 2: often this year. We have not know but when Ohio
Speaker 2: State is playing on that level where they're getting the
Speaker 2: ball to speed, where they are trusting Dwayne Haskins and
Speaker 2: making him comfortable and defensively attacking and making plays in
Speaker 2: the open field. This is a team that once again
Speaker 2: looks to be playoff caliber and ready to be shut.
Speaker 1: Out in the playf.
Speaker 2: Dwayne has that was that was mean, But I do
Speaker 2: I do credit Ohio State because they looked excellent in
Speaker 2: every phase, including special teams. Chris o'lave yes was the
Speaker 2: one who has worked his way into the receiver rotation.
Speaker 2: Also had that that punt block that went for a
Speaker 2: touchdown early on that really opened the game up for
Speaker 2: the Black Eyes. You can't say enough good things about
Speaker 2: the degree to which Ohio State pulverized whatever setting you
Speaker 2: prefer on a blender tie right.
Speaker 1: Well, So Dwayne Haskins, by the way, three eighteen through
Speaker 1: the year, five touchdowns, he sets a Big Ten record
Speaker 1: for passing touchdowns in the season with forty one. So,
Speaker 1: by the way, Drew.
Speaker 2: Brees thirty nine in thirteen games. So Dwayne Haskins actually
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 1: Quicker, Yeah, I mean Dwayne Haskins. How quickly we forget
Speaker 1: that this was his first full season as a starting quarterback,
Speaker 1: So clearly they've caught some lightning in a bottle here
Speaker 1: with him. We saw flashes of it last year in
Speaker 1: spots when he would come in, but Haskins has had
Speaker 1: an incredible season. Ohio State's real liability at this point
Speaker 1: is their defense. But nonetheless, sixty two to thirty nine,
Speaker 1: they take it to Michigan. They are now headed to
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Championship game. Next week. They will square
Speaker 1: off against the Northwestern Wildcats, who won twenty four to
Speaker 1: sixteen over Illinois Yep. Isaiah Bowser had another good game
Speaker 1: on the ground eighteen carries one hundred and sixty six yards.
Speaker 1: I am very curious to see how that game plays out.
Speaker 1: With the way that Ohio State has looked on offense,
Speaker 1: I think the natural assumption is that they'd go out
Speaker 1: there and they blow the doors off Northwestern. But what
Speaker 1: we've seen from Northwestern time and time again is these
Speaker 1: games where it looks like they're overmatched, they just don't
Speaker 1: end up being overmatched. They find a way to keep
Speaker 1: the game close. And at least as of now, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen a spread or anything yet because it's early
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, My assumption would be that they'd find
Speaker 1: a way to keep that one close.
Speaker 2: Sure, no, that makes sense in a terrific season, from Northwestern,
Speaker 2: who clinched the West a couple weeks ago now, and
Speaker 2: I mean, we're not going to belabor anything with the
Speaker 2: Illinois game, but I think that's right. Northwestern has come
Speaker 2: to play against the best teams on their schedule and
Speaker 2: not necessarily acron but against playoff caliber teams in Notre
Speaker 2: Dame unless home Michigan, Northwestern has made plays consistently, especially
Speaker 2: on defense.
Speaker 1: So there you go. There's your Big Ten championship. The
Speaker 1: way it is setting up Ohio State against Northwestern, Michigan
Speaker 1: had a shot. They had a shot. They had to
Speaker 1: win two games. They could have made it to the playoff.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I'm disappointed that they didn't. I know, we
Speaker 1: make fun of Michigan here and there, but a good season.
Speaker 1: I really wish it would have worked out for them.
Speaker 2: It'll be a serious what it's Taylor Twelman who had
Speaker 2: the rants after US national team. What are we even doing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that will be the off season for Michigan, you know,
Speaker 2: depending on what happens with the bowl game. And they
Speaker 2: could still go to the Rose Bowl and win the
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl and go eleven and two. That's not the
Speaker 2: worst thing in the world. Great season, but these past
Speaker 2: twenty four forty eight hours whatever, and this week will
Speaker 2: be what are we even doing for Michigan fans.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma fifty nine, West Virginia fifty six West Virginia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on Friday, West Virginia had over seven hundred total yards
Speaker 1: and lost. As you can tell from the final score,
Speaker 1: as you could tell from just West Virginia's yard total.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma didn't bring a whole lot to the table in
Speaker 1: terms of defense, but they did score two defensive touchdowns,
Speaker 1: which were absolutely enormous in this game. I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this all weekend. You know, the one matchup, well,
Speaker 1: one playoff matchup outside of you know, my team, Notre
Speaker 1: Dame and whoever they have to play, But the one
Speaker 1: playoff matchup that hypothetically could happen that intrigues me to
Speaker 1: no end is Oklahoma against Alabama. Of course, I feel
Speaker 1: like I turned a corner with this Oklahoma defense. Now,
Speaker 1: they're not good, they're not good, They're aggressively not good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're under no illusions here that the Oklahoma defense is
Speaker 1: any good. But when you change the framing of that
Speaker 1: point a little bit, if we treat their lack of
Speaker 1: defense as more of a stylistic decision and less of
Speaker 1: a real deficiency. It's a lot easier to just manage
Speaker 1: that mentally. And all of a sudden it shifts from Wow,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's defense really stinks to oh, Oklahoma, they don't play defense.
Speaker 1: That's just how they win football games, right, that is
Speaker 1: how they won this football game fifty nine to fifty six.
Speaker 1: A ton of points, a lot of fun almost annoyingly
Speaker 1: offensive in this football game, like there was just no
Speaker 1: defense whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. And you know, I obviously,
Speaker 2: and I was tweeting about this come down on the
Speaker 2: side of I much prefer this, at least to the
Speaker 2: hopelessness that is nine to six football. That's my personal decision.
Speaker 3: To me.
Speaker 2: College football is largely a TV sport living in New York,
Speaker 2: so that's the lens through which I view it. And listen, Oklahoma, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Yes, Oklahoma plays a defense, not unlike
Speaker 2: what a lot of teams who are actually incredibly successful
Speaker 2: on offense are forced into doing because they score such
Speaker 2: a big problem to have too quickly, right, and that
Speaker 2: defense has to say on the field a long time.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma plays a wait for it, defense where they just
Speaker 2: have to fit figure out some spots where they have
Speaker 2: to take chances, go for turnovers, blitz all out, or
Speaker 2: you know, jump routes to try to force turnovers and
Speaker 2: flip the course of the game. It worked against West Virginia,
Speaker 2: it hasn't worked so well in past games, but they've
Speaker 2: still managed to pull out all but the Texas game,
Speaker 2: which they also almost pulled out against West Virginia. Specifically,
Speaker 2: you know, West Virginia didn't make those way for it
Speaker 2: plays and Oklahoma did. And I also would point to
Speaker 2: the huge I think it was fourth and five. I
Speaker 2: want to say Oklahoma decides to go for it, West
Speaker 2: Virginia rushes how many they rush?
Speaker 4: Three?
Speaker 2: They rush three? Kyler Murray buys himself enough time and
Speaker 2: basically ices the game in that moment. But to me
Speaker 2: an incredible watch for most of this I would have
Speaker 2: preferred forty five forty two instead of fifty nine fifty,
Speaker 2: so a little bit more just West Virginia coming up
Speaker 2: with a pick six something like that to really stem everything.
Speaker 2: But ultimately it's been a crazy pleasure watching Kyler Murray, Willgrier,
Speaker 2: their assortment of receivers and running backs all season long,
Speaker 2: and the game delivered what it sort of promised to do.
Speaker 1: Just getting back to my earlier point, Oklahoma might need
Speaker 1: to score eighty If they play Alabama, they wouldn't score eighty,
Speaker 1: but in order to win that game, they might have to.
Speaker 1: I just think it's such an interesting clash of styles
Speaker 1: and yeah, very clearly the best offense in college football
Speaker 1: Oklahoma up against an Alabama team, a defending national champion. Again,
Speaker 1: this is all hypothetical, but I think that's the matchup
Speaker 1: that I would be most interested in watching.
Speaker 2: But look at the defense as they're playing pop. Yes,
Speaker 2: that would be crazy interesting because of the mind of
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley against Nick Saban's defense. And I don't believe
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's receivers are all that big, which has been part
Speaker 2: of the formula to competing with Alabama. But I listen,
Speaker 2: this is what twenty eighteen has done to stop Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 2: Not much.
Speaker 1: Nope, not much much. Okay, Oklahoma is going to get
Speaker 1: a chance to avenge their earlier loss to Texas when
Speaker 1: they played next week in the Big Twelve Championship. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: West Virginia they finished eight and three. They had a
Speaker 1: game against NC State earlier in the year. You might
Speaker 1: Remember that was canceled due to weather, so they are
Speaker 1: effectively done at eight and three. A good year for
Speaker 1: the Mountaineers, but just couldn't get over the hump here
Speaker 1: ran into a buzz saw against Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Texas, by the way, did win their game against Kansas. Now,
Speaker 1: the final score was twenty four to seventeen. You look
Speaker 1: at that and at first blush, you're like, Wow, held on, whoa,
Speaker 1: what's that about. Kansas scored all seventeen of their points
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, so Texas had the Jayhawks at
Speaker 1: arms length for a good chunk of this football game.
Speaker 1: You look at the box score, nothing jumps out at youth. Statistically,
Speaker 1: not a whole lot to report here. I think we
Speaker 1: expected as much. But Texas does formally knock off the
Speaker 1: Jayhawks twenty four to seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the takeaways to me, sam Ellinger's shoulder does not
Speaker 2: look anywhere near one hundred percent and little sloppy and
Speaker 2: careless with the ball, which he has not been basically
Speaker 2: since the Maryland loss to open the season. I don't
Speaker 2: know how much of a concern that is against Oklahoma's defense,
Speaker 2: but when Texas is at its best, it's Sam Ellinger
Speaker 2: doing nothing but willing this team and making plays to
Speaker 2: get them in the win column. I'm concerned about Texas's
Speaker 2: ability to close, which has been the concern all season long,
Speaker 2: and they managed to barely hold on against Oklahoma. We'll
Speaker 2: see if that formula stays intact in I believe the
Speaker 2: games at Jerry World in Arlington.
Speaker 1: Texas, Oklahoma, Red River Shootout Port duh, we'll decide the
Speaker 1: Big twelve. Let's move over to the SEC. Alabama fifty
Speaker 1: two Auburn twenty one. This game, Dan, it was just
Speaker 1: seventeen to fourteen at half. Auburn looking a little frisky,
Speaker 1: I thought, in the first half, but then then Alabama
Speaker 1: outscored Auburn thirty five to seven in the second half.
Speaker 1: They were led, of course by Tou a tongue of
Speaker 1: Ailoa tongue. I did listen to some of this game
Speaker 1: on the Auburn Radio Network, where he is still tagavaloa okay, well,
Speaker 1: another media outlet that didn't get the memo, but nonetheless,
Speaker 1: to throws for three twenty four or five touchdowns no interceptions,
Speaker 1: was responsible for six touchdowns in total, which was a
Speaker 1: school record. In the second half, in particular, Tua was
Speaker 1: eleven for twelve for two hundred and eight yards and
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. Alabama really turned on the jets when they
Speaker 1: had to. They gave Auburn a half, but then just
Speaker 1: in the second half, they pulled away InStyle, a bunch
Speaker 1: of big time throws from Tua, longer touchdown throws that
Speaker 1: asserted Alabama's dominance here as they complete their perfect regular season.
Speaker 1: And now we'll move on to the SEC title game.
Speaker 2: If there were if there was any one play that
Speaker 2: was that small microcosm for this game, it was when
Speaker 2: Auburn went for I believe a fake punt and Patrick
Speaker 2: Sirtan junior, the freshman corner for Alabama, stopped it just
Speaker 2: a yard short with no momentum on Auburn's side. It
Speaker 2: was impressive to watch Alabama open up this game. Toua
Speaker 2: was in no chakra at all, outstanding six total touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Auburn was sort of I don't want to say they
Speaker 2: were junk balling their way to a close game in
Speaker 2: the first half, but it was end rounds. It was
Speaker 2: trick plays and if that's what you need, it's just
Speaker 2: that's hard to sustain against Alabama for four quarters. I
Speaker 2: don't know who wins the Heisman. I just know there
Speaker 2: is no quarterback more excellent than what Tua looks like
Speaker 2: at his best. That's just sort of a reality. I
Speaker 2: thought Alabama did a marvelous job a sting in the
Speaker 2: second half.
Speaker 1: Alabama again, twelve and zero, Auburn seven and five. Kind
Speaker 1: of a disappointing year for Auburn. The way they started out,
Speaker 1: I thought, sure, gave us a little bit more promise
Speaker 1: about the direction of this season, but the offense never
Speaker 1: really came together the way they hoped. And you know,
Speaker 1: you run into a team like Alabama, it's tough to
Speaker 1: win the Iron Bowl. Here they finished again seven and five.
Speaker 1: Alabama will square off against Georgia in the SEC title game.
Speaker 1: Is going to be a rematch of last year's national
Speaker 1: title game, which went to overtime. Look, we talk a
Speaker 1: lot about Georgia and how they soveed their opponents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this game against Georgia Tech, the clean, old fashioned hate game,
Speaker 1: was like deep frying a turkey, but not like the
Speaker 1: correct way when you completely thaw the turkey out. They
Speaker 1: just dropped them in the oil. They were frozen, and
Speaker 1: you had the flame shooting out like the ones that
Speaker 1: start fires. And stuff. That was what happened in this game.
Speaker 1: Because it was over at halftime. I think Georgia led
Speaker 1: thirty five to seven something like that. They eventually go
Speaker 1: on to win forty five to twenty one. Just a
Speaker 1: thorough dressed down of Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2: Correct. The score is not indicative of the level of
Speaker 2: dominance that Georgia exhibited. They ran all over them. Jake
Speaker 2: fromm was outstanding throwing all over them. Justin Fields comes
Speaker 2: in and takes the lion's share of work in the
Speaker 2: second half, and Georgia wins in Athens for the first
Speaker 2: time since twenty twelve against Tech and look are looking
Speaker 2: out to defend their SEC title against Alabama. So rematch
Speaker 2: of the national championship game. And congratulations to Alabama for
Speaker 2: winning the SEC West for a record one straight years
Speaker 2: time one straight years. That's gonna be a great game.
Speaker 1: If you didn't watch the Georgia Georgia Tech game, the
Speaker 1: only stat that you need to know the stat that
Speaker 1: tells you everything about what happened in this game. Knowing
Speaker 1: that Texas option team Georgia Tech rushed forty six times
Speaker 1: for just one hundred and twenty eight yards, that is
Speaker 1: two point eight yards per carry. They had just two
Speaker 1: nineteen in total. When the ground game is that ineffective
Speaker 1: for the Yellow Jackets, you sort of know the end result.
Speaker 1: You know, you need to see the score. You know
Speaker 1: the way that things are going to go. So again,
Speaker 1: forty five to twenty one. Year final, it's going to
Speaker 1: be Georgia and Alabama in the SEC title game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at Georgia front that has struggled at times
Speaker 2: against the run this year, game plan very nicely against Tech.
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, let's move over if we could to
Speaker 1: the ACC. Let's we had the Palmeto Bowl. We had
Speaker 1: a contest between Clemson and South Carolina, fifty six to
Speaker 1: thirty five. Your final score here in favor of the Tigers.
Speaker 1: Ninety one total points, thirteen hundred and forty four total yards, Dan,
Speaker 1: Jake Bentley for South Carolina, get this, five hundred and
Speaker 1: ten passing yards, five touchdowns, but in a losing effort.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just want to give credit here to South
Speaker 1: Carolina because, as we mentioned on our Homer Show, the
Speaker 1: Homer Show I did anyway with Larry Williams from Tiger illustrated,
Speaker 1: so many South Carolina fans were just kind of hopeless
Speaker 1: head into this game. Yeah, nobody told the football team
Speaker 1: they actually played really, really hard in this one. Again,
Speaker 1: it's just an instance where they ran into an offensive
Speaker 1: buzzsaw in Clemson that was virtually unstoppable.
Speaker 2: I think that's right. And we pay a lot of
Speaker 2: attention collectively to Clemson's defensive line rightfully so, but offensively,
Speaker 2: this line is experienced, protected Trevor Lawrence all season long,
Speaker 2: opened up running lanes another big game for Travis DTN
Speaker 2: and Clemson's offense this season has pretty much been the
Speaker 2: mark of consistency. I mean, it's just been the example
Speaker 2: for this kind of offense and working in different types
Speaker 2: of players. They do it against South Carolina. The big
Speaker 2: difference is and we looked at that early on Kendrick
Speaker 2: Rodgers in Texas A and M succeeding against this Clemson
Speaker 2: secondary and maybe like, okay, it's early on, they're just
Speaker 2: they're getting their feet. It's a tough place to play.
Speaker 2: Clemson secondary is not looking wonderful. No against decent quarterbacks
Speaker 2: this year. There have been issues, and a lot of
Speaker 2: it can be covered up by a pretty ridiculous pass rush.
Speaker 2: But Jake Bentley had time Deebo Samuel got loose a bunch,
Speaker 2: there were lanes. There was confusion on Clemson's defense. This
Speaker 2: was to me uncharacteristic of a defense that coming into
Speaker 2: this game, there was a pretty decent argument to be
Speaker 2: made that they were the best in the country. I
Speaker 2: don't know that that argument can be made. But with
Speaker 2: a lot of time, I don't think they're gonna have
Speaker 2: trouble with Pitt. But with a lot of time before
Speaker 2: the playoff, I imagine that's a huge advantage for Brent
Speaker 2: Venables and his staff. I would get things sorted out,
Speaker 2: sorted out scheme and teaching wise.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to watch Clemson win this way though.
Speaker 1: You know, like in most of the games, their defense
Speaker 1: is suffocating you and then the offense just crock pots
Speaker 1: you very quietly. In this one, Clemson got that cast
Speaker 1: iron skillet, nice and hot, and they just steered the
Speaker 1: crap out of South Carolina the whole game on offense.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence three ninety three through the air, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Travis etn The only thing that I will point out
Speaker 1: here just for South Carolina on the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball, it does not help how banged up they
Speaker 1: are along the defensive line. I mean, that really works
Speaker 1: against you, especially against a good offense like Clemson. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would have changed the equation
Speaker 1: at all, because Clemson is so good with the football.
Speaker 1: They finished twelve to zero. They're going to face pit
Speaker 1: in the ACC Championship game next week. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: Pitt momentarily. South Carolina has one more game next week.
Speaker 1: If they win against Akron, that will get them to
Speaker 1: seven to five.
Speaker 2: And a good year, by the way for South Carolina
Speaker 2: in terms of and you mentioned this at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the game, playing hard, oh with fight. They haven't
Speaker 2: played they haven't been comfortably beaten since I think the
Speaker 2: Georgia game. Really, I mean they they've played every game
Speaker 2: close either way since late September early October. So playing
Speaker 2: hard for this staff and encouraging this set up to
Speaker 2: be a pretty ideal year to perhaps win more than
Speaker 2: seven if they're able to get by Akron. But all
Speaker 2: things considered, a really good showing. There's no such thing
Speaker 2: really as a moral victory. But if you're a South
Speaker 2: Carolina fan sort of resigned to the fact that they
Speaker 2: were going to lose to Clemson, you at least have
Speaker 2: to be encouraged.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Pitt, Clemson's opponent in next week's ACC Championship game,
Speaker 1: lost twenty four to three. Yes, they did to Miami.
Speaker 1: Miami gave up get this, just two hundred yards. They
Speaker 1: held Pit to one for fifteen on third downs. They
Speaker 1: forced twelve twelve punts, had six sacks and fourteen tackles
Speaker 1: for loss. So clearly a robust defensive showing for the
Speaker 1: Hurricanes here their final game of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've been really good all year long. They've
Speaker 2: just been let down by an offense. I think coming
Speaker 2: into this game they were a top fifteen or so
Speaker 2: S and P plus defense, and I would considering the
Speaker 2: degree of difficulty with how messed up that offense has looked,
Speaker 2: particularly in second halves of games, unable to adjust and
Speaker 2: able to get into the end zone. This defense has
Speaker 2: had more of an uphill battle than most and came
Speaker 2: through in a big way. Worked in concert with an offense,
Speaker 2: finally with their offense, finally against Pitt. Who who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're sort of shutting it down creatively ahead of
Speaker 2: the ACC Championship game. But good for Miami four not
Speaker 2: going into the offseason without at least partially riding the
Speaker 2: ship after the middle part of their schedule.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so again, Clemson the pit next week. I believe
Speaker 1: they played that one where Charlotte.
Speaker 2: They played in Charlotte. Should also point out Nikosy Perry
Speaker 2: was six of twenty four in obeying efforts. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: but DJ Dallas and Travis Homer were very, very good.
Speaker 1: Let's move over to the Apple Cup. They played it
Speaker 1: on Friday night, Washington twenty eight Washington State fifteen. With
Speaker 1: this victory now by Washington, I believe it's safe to
Speaker 1: say that the Pac twelve has officially cannibalized itself. The
Speaker 1: cannibalization was complete upon conclusion of this football game. A
Speaker 1: great quote from Jake Browning after it was over quote,
Speaker 1: I've heard it sucks to lose to the Koogs. I'm
Speaker 1: glad I didn't have to experience it. Burn Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is five in a row for chrispy Terson
Speaker 2: over Mike Leach. Is my math correct?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 2: I hope so tasting menu and I guess it ended
Speaker 2: in ice cream as as uh. Yeah, as the Koogs
Speaker 2: go down in the snow, and it is somewhat easy
Speaker 2: to say, well, it's snowing and that, you know, really
Speaker 2: slows down the passing game and the air raid for
Speaker 2: for Gardner Minshew and Washington State, Jick Browning threw the
Speaker 2: ball pretty well and that pretty good.
Speaker 1: I though, snow, and it's hard to I want to
Speaker 1: undersell the snow. It was hard enough and covered enough
Speaker 1: out there that the production crew had to break out
Speaker 1: those computer generated yard markers, which I still love.
Speaker 2: That's so much.
Speaker 1: I still don't understand how they do it. But I
Speaker 1: watched it with the solid wife and she looked over
Speaker 1: at me and said, wait, the players can't see those,
Speaker 1: can they No, it's all white out there.
Speaker 2: So they they if you want to get nerdy with it,
Speaker 2: they do digitally map out the field before the games,
Speaker 2: and that's how they put the first down yellow marker
Speaker 2: out there. But they map out the entire field, so
Speaker 2: there is a digital field overlaid onto the actual field
Speaker 2: in the production truck. It's pretty neat stuff. Speaking of
Speaker 2: neat stuff, though, ooh that Washington State offense. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: were shut down. Washington State's defense was all over the place.
Speaker 2: It was nice to see. I think this is Miles
Speaker 2: Gaskin's fourth straight year going for a thousand yards something
Speaker 2: like pretty great.
Speaker 1: He had a really good game the combty and I
Speaker 1: said this on the preview, not to beat my own chest,
Speaker 1: but I think we knew we both knew it. Washington
Speaker 1: had an opportunity in this football game to take advantage
Speaker 1: on the ground, and that's.
Speaker 2: What they did.
Speaker 1: Miles Gaskin savon Ahmed they combined thirty eight carries two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty seven yards gasket at three touchdowns. He
Speaker 1: was the best player in the field in this game, sure,
Speaker 1: and I mean the return really, I mean he was
Speaker 1: hurt most of the year of Hunter Bryant. The Washington
Speaker 1: tight end I think opened things up for their offense.
Speaker 1: And the story to me ultimately is some squadered opportunities
Speaker 1: for Washington State. But Gardner Minshew just looked completely out
Speaker 1: of his element, and Washington was. They were sharp. The
Speaker 1: Huskies were sharp, which they most certainly have not been
Speaker 1: this year on the road. But I guess they saved
Speaker 1: the best for last and take on Utah in Santa
Speaker 1: Clara Santa Claire believe that's the suburb of San Francisco
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve championship game. Once again, Washington self
Speaker 1: finds itself there after not playing the game last year,
Speaker 1: So good for the Huskies to close it out strong.
Speaker 1: And did you see the Jimmy Lake quotes? If you're
Speaker 1: going to talk about quotes, Oh yeah, go ahead. The
Speaker 1: Washington defense of course fires ups. He was fired up,
Speaker 1: saying justya hey, Washington State never changes what they do.
Speaker 1: This is sort of routine for us.
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing here, and you know, I heard their head
Speaker 2: coach is sort of a different kind of guy, but
Speaker 2: he's not really doing anything different than we normally see
Speaker 2: from them every year. Hope he stays there for a
Speaker 2: long time. Nice, nice, wow, And listen, that's that's harsh.
Speaker 2: That is arrogant, and it is all deserved.
Speaker 1: It's all very deserved. Yeah again, Washingtons. They are now
Speaker 1: headed to the PAC twelve Championship game next week against Utah.
Speaker 1: Wazoo finishes I think with a pretty successful ten and
Speaker 1: two mark, but obviously didn't get to their final goal.
Speaker 1: One other point here before moving on to the Holy War.
Speaker 1: Just want to send our best to the Washington band.
Speaker 1: Did you see this story? Super duper scary? Oh so
Speaker 1: they didn't play at the Apple Cup. They didn't play
Speaker 1: because one of their buses rolled over on the way
Speaker 1: to the game. Forty seven people take it to the hospital.
Speaker 1: Looks like everyone's going to be okay, but scary stuff.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: We send them the best, hope everything, hope everyone recovers quickly.
Speaker 1: That is a scary state of affairs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no serious injuries. I saw the Washington State band
Speaker 2: learned the UDUB fight song. Cool, cool gesture and show
Speaker 2: of appreciation for a pretty I mean lucky event. Ultimately
Speaker 2: that nothing terrible happened, and I don't have much more
Speaker 2: to add. It was cool to see the outcry. If
Speaker 2: you've ever driven in the Pacific Northwest when the weather turns,
Speaker 2: there are some treacherous, treacherous roads and driving ahead of you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Utah wins thirty five to twenty seven. The Utes
Speaker 1: were down twenty to nothing at half and then came back.
Speaker 1: They outscored BYU by a thirty five to seven margin
Speaker 1: in the second half, including twenty eight unanswered points in
Speaker 1: the final sixteen minutes of the game. Utah looked like
Speaker 1: crap across the board here. They couldn't stop the run,
Speaker 1: they couldn't move the ball on offense. They basically handed
Speaker 1: BYU fourteen points on special teams, but yet Jason Shelley,
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback, didn't have a great statistical night, but
Speaker 1: he was pretty clutch when it counted, had some big
Speaker 1: plays in the second half. Utah ultimately goes on to
Speaker 1: come from behind and win thirty five to twenty seven
Speaker 1: here to win the Holy War and finished nine to three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and good for Utah. I mean, yes, they totally
Speaker 2: laid an egg. I didn't watch a ton of this game,
Speaker 2: but from the chunks I saw, I've seen Jason Shelley,
Speaker 2: you know, coming in in a difficult situation with Huntley
Speaker 2: going down, having to play a chunk of the season
Speaker 2: against good teams. He's come through Zach Mosco's down. Shelley
Speaker 2: was counted on with his feet as well against BYU,
Speaker 2: and cool to see Utah finally breaking through and going
Speaker 2: to their first Pac twelve championship game. And BYU, it's
Speaker 2: a long ways since that Wisconsin game, but ultimately listen,
Speaker 2: BYU's Bowl eligible after a pretty disastrous twenty seventeen not
Speaker 2: the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1: That is correct. BYU finishes six and six, So again,
Speaker 1: your Pack twelve championship game in Santa Clara will be
Speaker 1: the Washington Huskies against the utah Utes.
Speaker 2: That's Friday night. I believe Friday night.
Speaker 1: Correct. Okay, moving on the nightcap. Nice little backdoor cover.
Speaker 2: It wasn't very nice. I mean, USC scoring a second
Speaker 2: half touchdown was clean. They're all special, but I no,
Speaker 2: there's snowflakes there.
Speaker 1: The back door cover for USC was a nice little
Speaker 1: feather in my cap since I always take the points here. Okay,
Speaker 1: how much of this game did you watch?
Speaker 3: Dan?
Speaker 2: The entire thing, Tye?
Speaker 1: How did you feel emotionally about this game?
Speaker 2: For maybe even after the game tie, I came away thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame won a clunker, and that's what you know,
Speaker 2: really good teams do. Because I thought the play calling,
Speaker 2: especially in the first half, was sort of confusing. Ian
Speaker 2: Book made some pretty arrant looking throws, but they came
Speaker 2: back a lot stronger in the second half. They looked
Speaker 2: to be more patient, They looked to not get overly
Speaker 2: eager on defense. As USC was moving the ball, they
Speaker 2: forced turnovers. I wasn't sure if that. I think it
Speaker 2: was Saint Brown who fumbled it and then sort of
Speaker 2: recovered it with his knees and had his hands on it.
Speaker 2: But the video wasn't good enough to overturn the FuMB ruling.
Speaker 2: I thought Notre Dame did a pretty good job. I
Speaker 2: was worried watching Notre Dame in the first half. I
Speaker 2: was like, why did they schedule this Syracuse gaman Yankee
Speaker 2: Stadium and give themselves two straight far away road names?
Speaker 2: I know, and it almost looked like they were going
Speaker 2: to be the reason that USC was going to win
Speaker 2: this game something stupid seventeen fourteen. It worries me about
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, but not as much as it encouraged me
Speaker 2: about the Irish. To win a game like this, they
Speaker 2: relied on chunk plays. It was the long dexter Williams.
Speaker 2: I think it was a run and then they had
Speaker 2: a screen later to was it Tony Jones.
Speaker 1: Jones Tony Jones Jr.
Speaker 2: So, situationally, Notre Dame comes through. I'd be a little
Speaker 2: bit worried if I were a Notre Dame fan about
Speaker 2: how flat they looked for a good amount of this game.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: But let's that's nitpicking.
Speaker 1: Let me jump in so you're right. Everything you're saying
Speaker 1: is correct. It was not Ian Book's cleanest game by
Speaker 1: any stretch. He had that really bad interception in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, the airmand a couple longer throws where he
Speaker 1: had guys open. But he was big when he had
Speaker 1: to be. And I'm thinking in particular, you know, a
Speaker 1: big third down run earlier in the game where the
Speaker 1: team is flat, the offense feels like the only guy
Speaker 1: playing is Chris Fink, and Book just drives his helmet
Speaker 1: through a defender to get the first down. He does
Speaker 1: stuff like that. There was a run later in the
Speaker 1: game on third down and I want to say twelve
Speaker 1: where it was a ballsy quarterback draw. He goes, he
Speaker 1: sort of high steps a defender and races across the
Speaker 1: first down line. He has an equality to him that
Speaker 1: I think is going to bode well for Notre Dame
Speaker 1: if they should find themselves in a situation like this
Speaker 1: moving forward. So, you know, again, not the greatest or
Speaker 1: cleanest game for him, but he made big plays when
Speaker 1: he had to and he was aided by a defense
Speaker 1: that progressively figured things out over the course of the game.
Speaker 1: For sure, this is a defense that was on its heels.
Speaker 1: In the first half. JT. Daniels was making a lot
Speaker 1: of quick throws over the middle the wider screen, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Notre Dame could not generate any pressure until
Speaker 1: like the fourth quarter, but what they did do was
Speaker 1: create some turnovers. So you mentioned the one fumble, but
Speaker 1: there was another in the first half that stopped the
Speaker 1: USC offense from scoring more points. In the second half,
Speaker 1: USC was held mostly scoreless until their final drive punt
Speaker 1: punt turnover, on downs, punt punt touchdown. This has been
Speaker 1: the mo for the Notre Dame defense one team offense
Speaker 1: and the USC offense. Sure both teams entirely on brand.
Speaker 1: When an offense goes out there and seems to get
Speaker 1: the best of the Notre Dame defense, clark Lee is
Speaker 1: able to make the necessary adjustments to slow down that
Speaker 1: offense in short order and so the score. So the
Speaker 1: story has been for Notre Dame, if you want to score,
Speaker 1: you gotta score early because they're going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And that was the case here. They eventually did tighten
Speaker 1: their vice gripts a little bit on that USC offense,
Speaker 1: things a bit more in check while the offense got going.
Speaker 1: This I tweeted this out, but this game reminded me
Speaker 1: a lot of the Pit game when Pitt blitz the
Speaker 1: farm against Notre Dame in the first half and took
Speaker 1: them out of rhythm. And you know, obviously the US
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit more firepower and really a
Speaker 1: game plan in this one on offense compared to Pitt.
Speaker 1: But all in all it works out well. Notre Dame
Speaker 1: finishes twelve and oh I believe Can we play the
Speaker 1: playoff sound for them?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 1: They were being a bit coy on the broadcast, like
Speaker 1: do you think Notre Dame's good enough to make the playoffs?
Speaker 1: If Notre Dame does not make the playoff, there will
Speaker 1: be wholly hell to pay and they're going to burn
Speaker 1: the system down. Notre Dame finishes twelve and zero. I
Speaker 1: believe with this w DAN, they are officially the first
Speaker 1: team to qualify for the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen college
Speaker 1: football Playoff.
Speaker 2: They absolutely will be in the playoff. There is no
Speaker 2: question in my mind. I don't know, you know that
Speaker 2: they will be a up two seed, but they will
Speaker 2: be in Clemson. Looks like if they're able to get
Speaker 2: by pit, which I imagine, they will be a little more
Speaker 2: vulnerable to somebody like Ian Book and the duo of
Speaker 2: its Claypool and Boycan are both big dudes who should
Speaker 2: be able to physically compete with anybody. Really good season
Speaker 2: for Notre Dame. It's an ideal season for Notre Dame
Speaker 2: with how that schedule shaped up, with USC and Virginia
Speaker 2: Tech and Florida State Stanford all having probably by their standards,
Speaker 2: pretty down years. But all Notre Dame can do is
Speaker 2: beat who's in front of them, and that's what they did.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a little more worried about Notre Dame than
Speaker 2: I was after the Syracuse game. But USC is Okay,
Speaker 2: they're feisty.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Notre Dame finishes the year though, and this is the
Speaker 2: credit you mentioned, Clarkle. I think they've only given up
Speaker 2: twenty points four times a couple of those with sort
Speaker 2: of garbage time. They don't give up thirty all season long.
Speaker 2: So defense, nothing else. Notre Dame should one thousand percent
Speaker 2: be able to compete on defense with anybody in the country.
Speaker 1: USC, for their part, finishes up at five and seven.
Speaker 1: They needed this one to get the Bowl eligibility. They
Speaker 1: were flying banners over the stadium. I need to ask
Speaker 1: you which of the banners that you tweeted out were
Speaker 1: real and which were fake.
Speaker 2: None of them were real, Okay.
Speaker 1: I legitimately didn't know. I'm looking at our Twitter feed,
Speaker 1: think it will yeah, hired Jeff Fisher. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I found like the you know, the internet
Speaker 2: is a you know, it's a good and terrible place.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go through the fake banners, I tweeted.
Speaker 2: So there's a website and I will it's photos something
Speaker 2: if you just google like custom plane banner. Okay, there's
Speaker 2: a website. You just put in text and they'll spit
Speaker 2: out a pretty realistic looking plane banner flying behind a
Speaker 2: plane mid air and then you can't tell where it is,
Speaker 2: just sky and clouds. So the first one was and
Speaker 2: this all happened because USC fans are a very small
Speaker 2: select group of sad USC fans flew a Lynn Swan,
Speaker 2: please fire Clay Hilton. Then I generated USC hire Jeff
Speaker 2: Fisher exclamation, and then I tweeted out, and I figured
Speaker 2: people were going to understand. I tweeted out because I
Speaker 2: was watching with Richard Johnson. He told me, he's like,
Speaker 2: you should probably it looks too realistic. Tell people that
Speaker 2: it's fake. So then I tweeted out a plane carrying
Speaker 2: a banner that said easy to make fake banners.
Speaker 1: Right, and nobody caught on. I didn't catch on.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the next one I tweeted out was fire Helton,
Speaker 2: hire Petros, shout out Petros, papadaccus, you know, really keeping
Speaker 2: it in the USC family, USC Norm Chow, question Mark, Yeah,
Speaker 2: question Mark. And then I don't even know if I
Speaker 2: posted that one. I posted USC Norm Chow's ready, and
Speaker 2: then I tweeted out USC herm would listen. And it
Speaker 2: was fun and people believed it. Even when I said
Speaker 2: it was easy to make fake banners. That's that's not
Speaker 2: on me anymore.
Speaker 1: I believed it, and I own half of that Twitter account.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's very true. Either way, Ty, we're recording this.
Speaker 2: It's currently ten twenty two am Eastern Time. Clay Helton's
Speaker 2: job security is not known to me at least.
Speaker 1: Nope.
Speaker 2: My feeling is, if you get rid of him, I
Speaker 2: don't know who you really. I mean, if you think
Speaker 2: you if you're positive, you can hire James Franklin. I
Speaker 2: get it. I'm not blown away, but I get it.
Speaker 1: I don't think that'd be a good move. We could
Speaker 1: talk about, like, we could do a whole other podcast
Speaker 1: on what's a hit? What Isn't a fit, but.
Speaker 2: I would lean towards the USC keeping Clay Helton. He
Speaker 2: won the Pac twelve last year. It was undeniably a
Speaker 2: down disappointing year. I imagine he should have the opportunity
Speaker 2: to overhaul some of his coaching staff because we know
Speaker 2: his ceiling as a coach, at least with whoever's recruits,
Speaker 2: some of them his, some of them. Others is winning
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve when he has a really good quarterback
Speaker 2: like he did last year. I think it's a tough
Speaker 2: message to send that one down year again, definitely down,
Speaker 2: You're god. I don't know who USC thinks they can
Speaker 2: get if it's you know, Jack del Rey or Jeff
Speaker 2: Fisher or whoever that is going to want to be
Speaker 2: in that situation.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, interesting five and seven a disappointing year for US,
Speaker 1: But they did lose Sam Darnold from a year ago.
Speaker 1: Like there was some turnover there.
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as if they entered the season as a
Speaker 1: top five caliber team. So it wasn't.
Speaker 2: But it was a mess of a Pac twelve. I
Speaker 2: say that as a fan sort of disappointed in his
Speaker 2: own Pac twelve team. It was a downpack twelve It
Speaker 2: was a year where UCLA was terrible for a good
Speaker 2: chunk of the year, Arizona and ASU had major issues
Speaker 2: for stretches, Utah's quarterback gets hurt, and Utah was good,
Speaker 2: but they were not world beating good. And Colorado with
Speaker 2: a disastrous here. This was a year that USC should
Speaker 2: have won at least nine games and they didn't.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move over to the s EC Texas
Speaker 1: A and M seventy four LS seventy two, seven overtimes.
Speaker 1: This game was nuts, as we talked about earlier in
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, LSU thought they won. They dumped the
Speaker 1: gatorade on ed orser On. It looked like they had
Speaker 1: a game clinching interception in the fourth quarter, but the
Speaker 1: play was reviewed, Kellen Mond's knee was down. We end
Speaker 1: up going to overtime. One hundred and forty six combined points.
Speaker 1: It's the most in FBS history.
Speaker 2: So you're talking FBS since the FBS was formed, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure Georgia Tech won a game like two hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty two to nothing, that is correct, nineteen twenty
Speaker 2: seven or something. Yes, incredible game, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Incredible, seventy four to seventy two your final here LSU
Speaker 1: goes nine to three on the year A and M
Speaker 1: eight and four. We both talked about watching this game
Speaker 1: late into the night. It's why you were sipping on coffee.
Speaker 1: I'm on high caffeine tea here.
Speaker 2: Look at you.
Speaker 1: But what's your takeaway from a game like this? I
Speaker 1: didn't know ls you had it in him.
Speaker 2: First off, just wanted the game to end. I was
Speaker 2: very tired. But in terms of the actual football, really
Speaker 2: well played at the end by Texas A and M.
Speaker 2: You know, Kellen Mond made the passes an incredible catch
Speaker 2: by god, I don't remember who caught the there were
Speaker 2: so many touchdowns. I think it was it Davis was
Speaker 2: a Kendrick Rodgers. Whoever caught the game tying touchdown to
Speaker 2: send it overtime, great play. I thought that Jay Sternberger
Speaker 2: ball in overtime was a fumble. I thought he caught
Speaker 2: it and it was a fumble. It was ruled incomplete
Speaker 2: and not reviewed, though when things could have benefited Texas
Speaker 2: A and M. At times plays were reviewed. I mean,
Speaker 2: like the clock spike at the end was definitely reviewed
Speaker 2: to see if they still had a second left. I
Speaker 2: think LSU had every opportunity to win this game. I
Speaker 2: thought the PI was at the very end pretty questionable
Speaker 2: and I don't know, but they had opportunities. It was
Speaker 2: by the end of the game I was looking for
Speaker 2: the gift of Remember the episode of The Simpsons where
Speaker 2: Homer fought Drederick Tatum and it was sort of just
Speaker 2: so exhausted that he could barely lift his arms to
Speaker 2: throw the weakest punch and then Drederick Tatum hits him
Speaker 2: on the top of his head. That weak, exhausted punch
Speaker 2: was basically the last four overtimes for these defenses. But
Speaker 2: just a spectacle, just a complete spectacle. And LSU, as
Speaker 2: a top ten team loses. Weird game textas a and
Speaker 2: m strong way to finish out the season, beating LSU
Speaker 2: for the first time since joining the conference, and certainly
Speaker 2: an up and down game everywhere. And my favorite thing
Speaker 2: about this game was, Wow, seven overtimes. The stats must
Speaker 2: be crazy, Like not really, Kellen Mond threw for another
Speaker 2: worldly two hundred and eighty seven yards and Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: through the air goes for two hundred and seventy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's kind of game of us.
Speaker 1: I look forward to the off season chatter about LSU's
Speaker 1: offense and this seventy two point loss skewing their points
Speaker 1: per game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely does. You have to take this regular
Speaker 2: season pointage for LSU in the offseason.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go around the SEC and talk about
Speaker 1: a few other games here. We had Florida winning the
Speaker 1: Sunshine showdown forty one to fourteen. Yes, had five hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty six yards. Felipe Franks had a pretty good game.
Speaker 1: Florida state three turnovers, one for fourteen on third downs
Speaker 1: at long last, the nightmare season concludes at five and seven.
Speaker 1: Florida finishes nine to three. So not a bad year
Speaker 1: for Dan Muhening, you're one, No.
Speaker 2: Felibe Franks had a very nice day. They ran the
Speaker 2: ball super well. They made plays all over the place,
Speaker 2: especially upfront on defense, forced a ton of mistake mistakes
Speaker 2: from the Knoles, and you know, nice first year for Fluria.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not much to take away from that.
Speaker 2: I don't love the Gators, but you know they maximize themselves.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go around the other four games in
Speaker 1: the SEC. Very quickly. Kentucky wins fifty six to ten.
Speaker 1: They finish out nine and three. We had Mississippi State
Speaker 1: winning the Egg Bowl thirty five to three. They finish
Speaker 1: up at eight and four Old miss five and seven,
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt thirty eight, Tennessee thirteen. Nice game for Kyle Shermer.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: Vandy wins their sixth game as well. They qualify for
Speaker 1: Bowl as Tennessee falls to five and seven, just missing
Speaker 1: Bowl eligibility, but I think a good second half for
Speaker 1: the balls. And finally Missouri wins thirty eight to nil
Speaker 1: over Arkansas. They finish up eight and four Arkansas two
Speaker 1: and ten.
Speaker 2: Dan, Yeah, pretty nice year for Miszoo all things considered.
Speaker 2: I believe Vandy players in their fourth year with the doors,
Speaker 2: are now three and one against Tennessee. That's correct, bad
Speaker 2: not bad. Believe I had this as a lock bet
Speaker 2: against Louisville even though Bobby Petrino's not there hashtag Betrino.
Speaker 2: Louisville finishes one and eleven against the spread. Kentucky with
Speaker 2: a pretty inapt offense, wins by forty six.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move over to the Big ten quickly.
Speaker 1: Penn State thirty eight, Maryland three, Dan, There's something I
Speaker 1: need to address here as we talk about Maryland. I'm ready,
Speaker 1: I said on the last show erroneously that Maryland running
Speaker 1: back Anthony McFarland was the son of one Booker McFarland.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a read article. I was pointed
Speaker 1: in the direction of some conflicting information. Turns out I
Speaker 1: was wrong. But I want to read to you the
Speaker 1: way that this is phrased in this article.
Speaker 2: If I could, I read the same thing. I'm curious
Speaker 2: to see how you defend this.
Speaker 1: Anthony McFarland junior knows that Alabama has two running backs committed.
Speaker 1: This is, by the way, when he was being recruited, correct,
Speaker 1: including the top player in the country country Najie Harris,
Speaker 1: But the four star recruit from Hyattsville, Maryland and not
Speaker 1: the sun a former unless you line in Anthony Booger
Speaker 1: McFarland has the Crimson Tide as his top school and
Speaker 1: isn't shying away from competition. Now obviously he went to Maryland.
Speaker 1: The way that that's worded implies that everyone named Anthony
Speaker 1: McFarland may be related to Booger Dan.
Speaker 2: I could see interpreting that as you know this four
Speaker 2: star recruit and not the son of Booger McFarland. Like,
Speaker 2: let's not define him by who his father is. Let's
Speaker 2: define him by his own merits. I could see you
Speaker 2: interpreting it like that, but when you actually see it
Speaker 2: written in front of you, you're like, all right, he is.
Speaker 2: I can understand the confusion with a really good football
Speaker 2: player from the South, but unfortunately the same name they
Speaker 2: are not related, So snot rocket is no longer in
Speaker 2: play here for Anthony McFarland nickname wise and he also
Speaker 2: ran for twelve yards.
Speaker 1: He ran for twelve yards. But this article would imply
Speaker 1: that everyone with the last name McFarland, we need specify
Speaker 1: that they are not related to booger. Maybe they are,
Speaker 1: okay to what did you think of this game?
Speaker 2: I didn't watch much of it.
Speaker 1: Trace McSorley goes out with a win. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: nice to see a legend, absolute legend Penn State history.
Speaker 1: Nine to three season, though a bit disappointing, is not
Speaker 1: at all bad. Ricky Slade was out there getting some work,
Speaker 1: had yep, had some I guess two touchdowns. The front
Speaker 1: seven for Penn State has had an amazing year. They
Speaker 1: produced forty three sacks on the season. They're still very young.
Speaker 1: They're going to be incredible to watch in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and beyond, so I think that's the building block for
Speaker 1: the new Penn State post Trace McSorley. They're young across
Speaker 1: the board too. They bring a ton of skill position
Speaker 1: talent back, so I'm excited about where this team goes
Speaker 1: in the future. Although they're going to have to figure
Speaker 1: something out beyond Trace McSorley, whether it's Tommy Stevens or
Speaker 1: someone else. That will be the big question headed into
Speaker 1: next season. I thought, though thirty eight to three to
Speaker 1: close it out strong the way they did, they're going
Speaker 1: to get a good bowl game here, a really good
Speaker 1: way to cap off the season. Maryland finishes what five
Speaker 1: and seven. It's been an up and down year for
Speaker 1: the Terps. There's been a lot going on beyond the
Speaker 1: football field, so they're going to have to make a
Speaker 1: decision on Matt Canada and where they want to go
Speaker 1: with that program moving forward. I think I read Mike
Speaker 1: Loxley might be in the hunt for that job that
Speaker 1: keeps coming up. I saw ken Nia Matalolo again being
Speaker 1: mentioned by some as a potential for Maryland, but certainly
Speaker 1: they've they've got some decisions to make.
Speaker 2: Justin Shorter didn't really play this year? Did he from
Speaker 2: Penn State number one receiver in the country coming in
Speaker 2: so his red shirt should be intact? So future it
Speaker 2: looks to be pretty bright if everybody can hold onto
Speaker 2: balls more often than they did this season. Where does
Speaker 2: Trace McSorley to you as somebody, as a Penn State fan,
Speaker 2: somebody who's followed PSU throughout the years. Where does Trace
Speaker 2: McSorley rank to you among your favorite Penn State quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: Favorite Penn State quarterbacks?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I mean notable?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: So yeah, Michael Robinson, Carrie Collins, Matt McGloin, obviously, Christian
Speaker 2: Hackenberg at least his freshman year. Where does Trace mcsory
Speaker 2: rank as a a three year starter?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's tough to put him above Matt
Speaker 1: Seneca and Zach Mills, but have to. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: first off, they're running a much different system now than
Speaker 1: they did for the majority of my life.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying best, I'm saying your favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm My long winded point is he's probably
Speaker 1: my favorite, okay, because the style of offense that they run
Speaker 1: now in this new post paternal era, is a lot
Speaker 1: more fun than the three yards and a cloud of
Speaker 1: dust ish kind of offense that they ran more in
Speaker 1: the Paternal era, so the quarterbacks more active, more mobile.
Speaker 1: Trace mcsory was the perfect quarterback for that system and
Speaker 1: he's been a lot of fun to watch. So yeah,
Speaker 1: probably my favorite Penn State quarterback in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: Even more than your guy, Anthony Morelli.
Speaker 1: Even more than my Anthony, my guy Anthony Morelli.
Speaker 2: Former San Jose sabercat As I pull up Wikipedia and
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Iron.
Speaker 1: And he was he was a dud. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Iowa thirty one, Nebraska twenty eight. Miguel Resinos drew God
Speaker 1: Love Miguel a forty one yard field goal through the
Speaker 1: elements in the driving rain, also through the uprights as
Speaker 1: time expired, gives Iowa the Hero's Trophy. Iowa tried their best,
Speaker 1: They tried their level best to lose this game. They
Speaker 1: blew a fifteen point lead in the second half, but
Speaker 1: ultimately they get the w as time expires. Nice game
Speaker 1: for Makai Sargent one hundred and seventy three and a
Speaker 1: touchdown on the ground for Iowa. Also really nice game
Speaker 1: for Adrian Martinez two sixty through the air, seventy six
Speaker 1: on the ground. Three total touchdowns, a nice building block.
Speaker 1: Clearly the Nebraska offense moving forward is going to be
Speaker 1: built around him. They finish up at four and eight
Speaker 1: the corn Huskers, but I thought improved drastically after Amark
Speaker 1: came back from his injury. And on the flip side,
Speaker 1: you've got Iowa very quiet a course, are we going
Speaker 1: a mars trying do people do that? Or is this
Speaker 1: anou tie thing just rolled off the tongue. You tried
Speaker 1: to slip that in there, Like I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: respond to Amart. I'm mixed on it, ty if you want.
Speaker 2: To part speaking of a like wait for it defense
Speaker 2: with Oklahoma, a nice little wait for it rushing attack
Speaker 2: for Iowa, waiting until Illinois and Nebraska to finish out
Speaker 2: the air to do anything on the ground. But Makai Sarge, yes,
Speaker 2: definitely was a sort of out of nowhere, at least
Speaker 2: for me, revelation for the Hawkeyes and Miguel Rasinos. I
Speaker 2: looked this up because he came into the air, as
Speaker 2: you know, a known commodity as a very good kick,
Speaker 2: and he had a good year. You know, any kicks
Speaker 2: between forty and forty nine yards he missed this season
Speaker 2: zero point zero. Hell yeah, Iowa, Hell yeah, brand Iowa.
Speaker 2: They win, Perdue wins the Old Oaken Bucket twenty one.
Speaker 2: Ron Dale Moore is going to be a fun story
Speaker 2: to watch moving forward, whether or not they've got Jeff
Speaker 2: Brahm next year. He said, Perdue's the place he wants
Speaker 2: to be. Will see, actually see if that changes anytime soon.
Speaker 2: But ron Dale Moore in that offense could be a
Speaker 2: ton of fun. He scored twice. He tied a school record,
Speaker 2: by the way, with his seventh one hundred yard game
Speaker 2: of the season. He is a true freshman mind you
Speaker 2: so keep your eyes peeled for him. Perdue will go
Speaker 2: to a bowl. They won their sixth game yesterday and
Speaker 2: we'll qualify. Indiana also had a shot at it, and
Speaker 2: I thought showed some promise offensively this season, but ultimately
Speaker 2: five and seven is your final mark for Themiers Ty Hoosiers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: bit of a bummer not getting to bowl eligibility, but
Speaker 2: cool story for Purdue once again after a slow start
Speaker 2: including lost to EMU, getting to bowl eligibility, beating Ohio
Speaker 2: State down which looks more impressive, coming close to beating Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: and winning the Old Oaken Bucket is never a bad time.
Speaker 2: Cool stories off the field with Trent Tyler and he
Speaker 2: was holding the old Oaken Bucket trophy. And I believe
Speaker 2: they played in a super entertaining Bowl game last year
Speaker 2: against Arizona. They did because I saw them at Alcatraz.
Speaker 2: I forgot. I took a tour of Alcatraz, Arizona and Purdue.
Speaker 2: So hopefully they give us some more entertainment this postseason
Speaker 2: and David Blow finish his career, finishes his career pretty successfully.
Speaker 1: Minnesota thirty seven, Wisconsin fifteen. Minnesota take it back the
Speaker 1: Axe m HM. They break a fourteen game losing streak.
Speaker 1: They held the ball for twenty one minutes after halftime
Speaker 1: and forced two Wisconsin turnovers over the final five minutes.
Speaker 1: A big win here for PJ. Fleck as Minnesota gets
Speaker 1: bull eligible. Also of note on the Wisconsin side, Alex
Speaker 1: Hornybrook came back for a season finale and promptly threw
Speaker 1: three interceptions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't great. It was not a great day
Speaker 2: for this Wisconsin offense at all. Jonathan Taylor is going
Speaker 2: to be the forever bright spot, but a major step backwards.
Speaker 2: A lot of that has to do with injuries on
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball for the Badgers. But everybody
Speaker 2: deals with injuries, and some teams deal with a terrible
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator like Minnesota and make a change. After giving
Speaker 2: up fifty five to Illinois in a loss and their
Speaker 2: last three games, Minnesota gives up ten, twenty four, and fifteen.
Speaker 2: That's a good change. So cool to see the Gophers
Speaker 2: get to a bowl and improve. It's PJ Flex's first
Speaker 2: ball with Minnesota.
Speaker 1: And finally, Michigan State fourteen Rutgers ten. Hope you didn't
Speaker 1: watch this game, because right did watch the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Rocky Lombardi had to throw at forty three times for
Speaker 1: Michigan State, didn't complete a whole lot of them, but
Speaker 1: Michigan State ultimately wins. They finish up seven to five.
Speaker 1: Rutgers probably moving on from Chris Ash as they finished
Speaker 1: one and eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michigan State needs to move on from whoever was
Speaker 2: running this offense, Dan Warrener or whatever. This was a
Speaker 2: nightmare of an offensive season for Michigan State given what
Speaker 2: they were returning on offense. Rocky Lombardi was a bright
Speaker 2: spot at times, and it's you know, Michigan State just
Speaker 2: did its own defense a pretty large disservice this fall.
Speaker 1: All right, we got to move quick through the Big
Speaker 1: twelve PAC twelve and acc are you ready?
Speaker 2: I'm ready?
Speaker 1: Baylor thirty five, Texas Tech twenty four. Baylor very quietly
Speaker 1: gets the six and six. They were one and eleven
Speaker 1: last year. But Matt Ruhle getting stuff figured out as
Speaker 1: Baylor going back to a bowl game. Cliff Kingsbury, by
Speaker 1: the way, on the Texas Tech side, it's season in Lubbock.
Speaker 1: He's only had two winning seasons, once in the first year,
Speaker 1: the other in twenty fifteen. Now a tough season for
Speaker 1: him with that revolving door at quarterback. It seems as
Speaker 1: though there's a lot of speculation, a lot of smoke
Speaker 1: that they are going to move on from Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: and be looking for a new coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tough to fully blame him this year with the
Speaker 2: quarterback injuries, but even you can't lose like this game
Speaker 2: wasn't nearly as bad as the excuse me, the Kansas
Speaker 2: State game. And I saw a report out of I
Speaker 2: want to say news outlet from San Antonio, but as
Speaker 2: of this recording, and you know, he definitely is on
Speaker 2: that line of why haven't we seen consistent ball eligibility
Speaker 2: improvement kind of thing. So perhaps by the time you
Speaker 2: listen to this, you will no longer have a job
Speaker 2: in Lubbock. We shall see.
Speaker 1: Iowa State forty two, Kansas State thirty eight. Iowa State
Speaker 1: came from seventeen back, Yeah, I did in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter to win this one. Case State finishes up five
Speaker 1: and seven. It's their worst year since Bill Snyder came
Speaker 1: back in nine. Also a lot of speculation that he
Speaker 1: is going to retire after the season, that they'll be
Speaker 1: looking for a football coach as well. But Iowa State
Speaker 1: right now at seven and four, They've got a game
Speaker 1: against Drake next week, which should mean an eight and
Speaker 1: four season for the Cyclones. Another good one for Matt Campbell.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and yeah, the comeback was very nice, needing what
Speaker 2: three touchdowns to close this one out and a pretty
Speaker 2: nice day for brock pertyckem Butler just continues to astound
Speaker 2: the world, one of the better wide receivers in college football.
Speaker 2: And cool for Iowa State to get by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Drake thing. Such a bummer that we
Speaker 2: couldn't get an incarnate word bonus game after their FCS
Speaker 2: playoff loss.
Speaker 1: TCU thirty one, Oklahoma State twenty four. Somehow both teams
Speaker 1: finished six and six. I will never understand this, but
Speaker 1: six and six for both teams.
Speaker 2: Well, TCU finished the season with seven healthy players is
Speaker 2: what it felt like. But Jalen Rigor was at least
Speaker 2: close to one of them, and that's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2: He is an explosive player. He finished the season out
Speaker 2: in typical dude fashion for him. Oklahoma State just maddeningly
Speaker 2: inconsistent to go into the fourth court. I didn't watch
Speaker 2: much of this game. Just a very flat day on
Speaker 2: offense for the Cowboys, and with what they've accomplished lately,
Speaker 2: and with how I talked up Mike Gundy as one
Speaker 2: of the best Big twelve coaches, which I think is
Speaker 2: still true. Disappointing year for the Pokes.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna rifle through, keep rifling the other
Speaker 1: four pack twelve games and give me a little flavor here, Dan.
Speaker 2: I'll give you some play.
Speaker 1: Stanford forty nine, Ucla forty two. Stanford plays Cal next
Speaker 1: week to move to eight and four. Ucla finishes up
Speaker 1: three to nine, though they did improve a lot in
Speaker 1: second half. The season Cal thirty three Colorado twenty one
Speaker 1: Cal with an ultra quiet chain. It's at eight wins.
Speaker 1: If they were to knock off Stanford next week. Colorado
Speaker 1: obviously saw the news. We talked about the news. They
Speaker 1: fired Mike McIntyre. They finish up five and seven. Again,
Speaker 1: You're finally here thirty three, twenty one in favor of Cal.
Speaker 1: We had ASU winning the Territorial Cup forty one to
Speaker 1: forty over Arizona. Nice year, I guess for Arizona State,
Speaker 1: and year one of the Herm Edwards era. They left
Speaker 1: some on the table, but they finish at seven and five.
Speaker 1: Arizona meanwhile, and Kevin Someone's first year, they finish up
Speaker 1: at five and seven. And finally, your Oregon Ducks win
Speaker 1: fifty five to fifteen in the Civil War over the
Speaker 1: Oregon State Beavers. Oregon finishes up at eight and four,
Speaker 1: Oregon State two and ten. But they did show I thought,
Speaker 1: substantial improvement for the vast majority of this football season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing I'll give you about those games
Speaker 2: Arizona State a nice comeback win. They needed all of
Speaker 2: that fourth quarter and they held on against Arizona. So
Speaker 2: a nice year for Arizona State, particularly on offense with
Speaker 2: I guess you could point to the emergence of Eno
Speaker 2: Benjamin for the Sun Devil. So they're going bowling. Arizona
Speaker 2: started the year too slow to ultimately pull something out
Speaker 2: and get to a bowl. Cal outscores its own offense
Speaker 2: with its defense in the first two minutes touchdown wise,
Speaker 2: they score one offensive touchdown and they get two pick
Speaker 2: six's in the first two minutes of this game. That
Speaker 2: is the ultimate twenty eighteen Cal thing in a victory.
Speaker 2: But good for Cal. You were high on them early on,
Speaker 2: not because you were high on Chase Garver's, but they
Speaker 2: nonetheless justify your love. Ucla was in the game against
Speaker 2: Stanford late. Good to see a healthy Bryce love for Stanford.
Speaker 2: Ucla just ended up shooting itself in its own foot
Speaker 2: a couple of times, losing the shootout, fumbling late, and
Speaker 2: giving this game away. Oregon did what it needed to
Speaker 2: do against Oregon States. They did not over complicate things.
Speaker 2: They ran it, and ran it and ran it some more.
Speaker 2: The only real big take away from this game justin
Speaker 2: Herbert hurt his shoulder. I don't believe people feel it's
Speaker 2: a very serious sort of broken collarbone situation like he
Speaker 2: had last season. It looks like Oregon has a good
Speaker 2: chance to go to I think the Holiday Bowl, which
Speaker 2: again is the big win if you are a PAC
Speaker 2: twelve fan. Get to San Diego in late December. I
Speaker 2: believe that's when it's being played. But hope Justin Herbert
Speaker 2: is all right. I don't know if they're going to
Speaker 2: take chances with him in the Bowl game, with his
Speaker 2: future either with Oregon or with the NFL. But Oregon
Speaker 2: finishes eight and four, and they very very much could
Speaker 2: have finished nine and three or beyond, but ultimately to
Speaker 2: too many mistakes, too many errors, too much stubbornness on
Speaker 2: offense stood in the way.
Speaker 1: Let's move over to the ACC. Four games to get
Speaker 1: through here quickly. Syrahcuse forty two, Boston College twenty one.
Speaker 1: The QS caps off a nine to three season. A
Speaker 1: really nice game for grungey Eric Dungee, who accounted get
Speaker 1: this for six of Syracuse's seven touchdowns. He had three
Speaker 1: through the air, three on the ground. The Syracuse defense
Speaker 1: forcing for turnovers from Boston College. A nice year for
Speaker 1: Dino Baber's. Boston College also eligible. They finish up their
Speaker 1: year at seven and five.
Speaker 2: Syracuse is going to finish the season as a top
Speaker 2: twenty team.
Speaker 1: Yep, not bad.
Speaker 2: That is incredible. Eric Dungee is a Syracuse football legend period.
Speaker 2: That's it. He was incredible. He was our four year starter.
Speaker 2: Leads them to a top twenty finish. Unreal, love it.
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech thirty four Virginia thirty one in overtime. A
Speaker 1: wild game with hail Mary's and fumbles and Bryce Perkins
Speaker 1: had two point fifty through the air one hundred on
Speaker 1: the ground. Virginia Tech, though, keeps their winning streak alive
Speaker 1: over Virginia. They play Marshall next week. They need that
Speaker 1: win over Marshall to get to six and six. UVA
Speaker 1: will be going to a bowl game. Kind of going
Speaker 1: out in a sour note here, but they finish up
Speaker 1: seven to five, which is still a pretty good year
Speaker 1: for the Who's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Virginia consistently going to a bowl is a win.
Speaker 2: If that's if that's the world we live in, that's
Speaker 2: a win for the Who's. And crazy ending of the game,
Speaker 2: you left out one key element of the game, that,
Speaker 2: of course is Adam a mean Oh yeah, that's right, which,
Speaker 2: of course an Adam a mean game. Is going to
Speaker 2: get bonkers. So shout out trade Turner not the to
Speaker 2: play shortstop for the Nets. Yes, the position he plays. Yes,
Speaker 2: other trade Turner plays for the Nats. Because the trade
Speaker 2: Turner is playing for the Hokies has a huge game,
Speaker 2: both in special teams and through the air catching balls
Speaker 2: he is. He is a big bright spot for a
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech team that had some low lights this year.
Speaker 1: N C State thirty four U n C twenty eight,
Speaker 1: another game that went to overtime. Reggie Gilaspie for NC
Speaker 1: State had five rushing touchdowns. N C State actually could
Speaker 1: get to No. Three on the year. They play ECU
Speaker 1: next week. They're currently eight and three. Carolina meanwhile, finishes
Speaker 1: up two to nine. They're not even playing a game
Speaker 1: next week. They're just calling it quits. They're probably gonna
Speaker 1: move on from Larry Fedora. It's been a really bad
Speaker 1: year in Chapel Hill. So curious to see the new
Speaker 1: direction of UNC after we get through the coaching carousel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so North Carolina I thought did play with some
Speaker 2: fire this year. They just came up a little bit short.
Speaker 2: When I say play with fire, I don't mean treading dangerously.
Speaker 2: I mean they fought with some guts whatever. And if
Speaker 2: there's anything about these last couple of years of North
Speaker 2: Carolina football where they have dealt with a number of
Speaker 2: injury issues and quarterback issues, it's Hey, maybe Seth Latrell
Speaker 2: is really good at what he does. Hey, maybe if
Speaker 2: you're a team in the Big twelve and you're looking
Speaker 2: to win more games than you have lately, maybe figure
Speaker 2: out what Seth Latrell's phone number is and see what's
Speaker 2: going on with him. So, yeah, NC State a nice win,
Speaker 2: Reggie Laspi're right with a dominant game Wake Forest, Tye.
Speaker 1: Wake for a good story here. So Wake wins fifty
Speaker 1: nine to seven over Duke. Wake has been decimated by
Speaker 1: injuries all year, but clearly we talk about de facto
Speaker 1: national championships. Yes Bowl eligibility here for Wake may have
Speaker 1: been their de facto national championship game against Duke. They
Speaker 1: win by fifty two to get win number six and
Speaker 1: go to a bawl good for.
Speaker 2: Them, led by possible EA Sports NCAA football name generated
Speaker 2: running back Cade Carney. He goes over two hundred, does
Speaker 2: a great job, a really nice win for Wake Forest.
Speaker 1: The only other game that I have here notably it's
Speaker 1: top ten game. UCF wins thirty eight to ten over USF.
Speaker 1: The War on I four goes again to UCF, but
Speaker 1: again it's all tempered by the fact that Mackenzie Milton
Speaker 1: is out for a significant period of time. Had the
Speaker 1: really bad knee injury. ESPN wouldn't even show the replay
Speaker 1: it was that bad. His father pointed out that he
Speaker 1: had surgery. He's recovering now, but I think this effectively
Speaker 1: kills UCF's playoff chances. It was always a bit of
Speaker 1: a long shot, mind you sure, but now that he's out,
Speaker 1: it really does force you to look at things in
Speaker 1: a different light. So a great year for UCF again undefeated. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: now it just comes at a very very high cost
Speaker 1: with Milton going down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they advanced to the American Championship game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just I have not watched the play. I read about
Speaker 2: what happens pretty bad, Like it is brutal to hear
Speaker 2: because of his career being as good as it's been
Speaker 2: thus far. And I guess good for UCF for playing through,
Speaker 2: you know, that kind of distraction and taking down a
Speaker 2: USF team that's been pretty down. But we'll see what
Speaker 2: UCF can do can still, it's not nothing to go
Speaker 2: twelve and zero as an FBS team, which they can
Speaker 2: winning the American I believe they take on Memphis, who
Speaker 2: took down Houston, who obviously dealt with their own quarterback
Speaker 2: injury a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1: So there you have it. That's all I have. Do
Speaker 1: you have any others?
Speaker 2: Do I have any others? Tie? James Madison comfortable win
Speaker 2: over Delaware, setting up a showdown against Colgate this coming week. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's significant, tie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying not to get to taken emotionally. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would also point out Boise State played really really
Speaker 2: well ultimately against a Utah State offense that has been
Speaker 2: exceptional this season. In Boise State clinches I believe the
Speaker 2: Mountain Division and moves on to take on Fresno State
Speaker 2: in the Mountain West Championship game. So Madison Avenue really
Speaker 2: comes through in a big way. Buffalo clinches their side
Speaker 2: of the MAC and they move on to the MAC
Speaker 2: Championship game. Ohio a nice win even without much of
Speaker 2: Nathan Rowe work through the air over Akron and they
Speaker 2: get to eight wins. Eastern Michigan is not a terrible program.
Speaker 2: I mean, they this is nothing new, but just that
Speaker 2: they are going to a bowl once again is pretty significant.
Speaker 2: By the way, the Buffalo coach is Lance Leopold, who
Speaker 2: is a I want to say D three was Wisconsin
Speaker 2: Whitewater three time national champion coach. So doing really impressive
Speaker 2: things at a place where it's pretty difficult to win
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. As we all, I pretty much should know
Speaker 2: by now. Elsewhere, I think San Diego State lost to Hawaii,
Speaker 2: which Hawaii goes eight and five, and this was looking
Speaker 2: like it could have been a disaster year for the Warriors,
Speaker 2: and they pull out a win over San Diego State
Speaker 2: in overtime and will advance to a Bowl game. So,
Speaker 2: you know, nig Rolovich has done a quietly pretty remarkable
Speaker 2: job way way out in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 2: North Texas goes to nine and three. You know, we
Speaker 2: mentioned Seth Latrelle. Taking this program from a one to
Speaker 2: eleven program to consecutive nine win seasons at least has
Speaker 2: been pretty pretty impressed, to say the least. Presno State
Speaker 2: easily gets by San Jose State. Charlotte, who fired their coach,
Speaker 2: gets by fau Lane Kiffen will not be going to
Speaker 2: a bowl game this year. Arkansas State bounces. I know,
Speaker 2: Arkansas State bouncing back from a pretty slow start. They
Speaker 2: finish eight and four. Temple slow start. They just I mean,
Speaker 2: it's Yukon. They put it on Yukon. I believe Randy
Speaker 2: Etzel get some sort of bonus. I am not making
Speaker 2: that up. Yukon goes one to eleven, he gets some bonus. Telsa.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a nice win over SMU. They have
Speaker 2: been bad this year. SMU showed some promise during the
Speaker 2: middle of the season and we're in it for the division.
Speaker 2: We get a rematch between UAB and Middle Tennessee. You
Speaker 2: have was very bad, but Spencer Brown has been beat
Speaker 2: up and he didn't really go and he has been
Speaker 2: their biggest offensive weapons. So it's a rematch back in
Speaker 2: back at Middle Tennessee. This coming. I want to say
Speaker 2: it's before Saturday, but maybe I'm wrong. I'll look it
Speaker 2: up otherwise. I mean, the app State went over Troy
Speaker 2: is significant. That was a playing game for the Sun
Speaker 2: Belt Conference championship. Georgia Southern figures out a way to
Speaker 2: finish the season pretty strongly. They go nine and three,
Speaker 2: a nice bounce back after a couple down years, and
Speaker 2: I think I think that's it. Maybe God, three and nine?
Speaker 2: What happened? They lose by one to Tulane and Western Cookie,
Speaker 2: your boy Mike Sandford has had opportunity, like they may
Speaker 2: be better than three and nine. Beating a pretty decent
Speaker 2: Louisiana Tech team is an accomplishment. They probably should have
Speaker 2: won a couple more. I think they lost to Maine
Speaker 2: early on. Marshall gets to eight wins, which is nice.
Speaker 2: They beat FIU, a pretty decent FIU team, and now
Speaker 2: I am officially done reviewing everything.
Speaker 1: Damn we need dudes. Who are our dudes for a week.
Speaker 2: I only have a few, but DJ Dallas Chris o'lave
Speaker 2: out of nowhere really significant for Ohio State. We're trying
Speaker 2: to name unobvious. You know Reggie Gilaspi. You mentioned Kendrick Rogers.
Speaker 2: He makes difficult catches. Trey Turner was impressive. Everything about
Speaker 2: West Virginia and Oklahoma's offense was amazing. But cool to
Speaker 2: see Hollywood Brown in front of his cousin Antonio Brown,
Speaker 2: which yes, Ty can confirm they are related, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I would say most of Notre Dame's defense, but Drew
Speaker 2: trankwill is just you know, he remains the dude each
Speaker 2: and every week. Alabama, It's Tua. It's just it's Tua.
Speaker 2: That's it. Nico Collins, I thought, you know, made some
Speaker 2: good catches for Michigan, but hard to give give out
Speaker 2: too many dudes there, Miles Gaskin for four years of
Speaker 2: a thousand yards you know, way to big send off
Speaker 2: for the running back dealt with some injury issues this year.
Speaker 2: Eric Dungee, how do you not dutify Eric Dungee Cad
Speaker 2: Carney for having what I believe to be a made
Speaker 2: up name for wake Forest and listen, it wasn't a
Speaker 2: this week's specific thing. But Mackenzie Milton is just a dude,
Speaker 2: and we hope he comes back stronger than ever whenever
Speaker 2: it is that happens.
Speaker 1: Dan, I want to close out by giving myself a
Speaker 1: dude alert if I could.
Speaker 2: Oh, hey me.
Speaker 1: So, we've got a gentleman by the name of Charles
Speaker 1: who listens to the show told us he spends a
Speaker 1: lot of time on airplanes traveling for business. He's also
Speaker 1: really into data and he has sent us. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've got it in front of you a
Speaker 1: Google doc with a rather robust chart of all of
Speaker 1: our picks by conference throughout the course of the year.
Speaker 1: First and foremost, I am up by four percent on you.
Speaker 1: Look at you overall fifty four point two percent on
Speaker 1: the year picking games versus your fifty point two percent,
Speaker 1: So we're both in the black here, which is good? Right?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Do you know or would you care to venture a
Speaker 1: guess on your most successful conference as it relates to
Speaker 1: picking against a point spread?
Speaker 2: So I would think PAC twelve the conference I'm most
Speaker 2: familiar with. But I think I did see this and
Speaker 2: that I am not a PAC twelve as as as
Speaker 2: much of an expert as i'd like to think I am.
Speaker 1: You're not. Well, No, in fairness, you're not as big
Speaker 1: of an expert as I am. I was seventy percent
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve this year. You were I'm going
Speaker 1: to say fifty six percent.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, am I strong? I'm gonna say ACC?
Speaker 1: You were worst in the ACC? No, no, excuse me,
Speaker 1: your own Yeah, yeah, no, I'm right, I'm right, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Forty four percent in the ACC. I was four percent
Speaker 1: in the ACC. Neither one of us did all that well.
Speaker 1: Your best in the Big twelve fifty seven percent. Okay,
Speaker 1: fifty seven percent. So I still got another week of
Speaker 1: games here. Things I suppose could go horribly south for me,
Speaker 1: but you pretty much have to run the table and
Speaker 1: hope for me to have a total wipeout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do double nothing for the Bulls Conference Championship.
Speaker 2: I feel good about this. Officially, Larry Fedora has been
Speaker 2: let go okay by North Carolina, something we talked about
Speaker 2: as a It looked to be a pretty strong possibility.
Speaker 2: But North Carolina I did see a story swirling that
Speaker 2: they might have Mac Brown interests Okay, which, okay, dude,
Speaker 2: why don't you just hire Scott Sader? Okay, listen and
Speaker 2: take your money. I think that makes the most sense.
Speaker 2: But you know how I feel about app state and
Speaker 2: you are you are anti boon, which listen, we all
Speaker 2: have that perspective. So North Carolina officially opens a tricky
Speaker 2: situation with where they've been with academic inquiries. But still
Speaker 2: I believe to be a pretty good job with the
Speaker 2: acc looking like there's room to grow.
Speaker 1: There is room, all right. Well that does it for
Speaker 1: week thirteen now in the books. When we next speak
Speaker 1: to you on Wednesday, we'll be previewing all these conference
Speaker 1: championship games as well as some of the final regular
Speaker 1: season matchups that we have for one reason or another,
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Speaker 1: This season kind of flew by sometimes, like around week
Speaker 1: nine or ten, I'm like, jeez, we still have I
Speaker 1: know me too, I go into like a deep dark depression.
Speaker 2: I didn't really have that this year. No, it flew
Speaker 2: by for me me too.
Speaker 1: Well, we've got more ahead, for sure. We'll have fun
Speaker 1: on Wednesday talking all things through in relation to games
Speaker 1: and firings and who knows, maybe hirings for that guy
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein over there in New York City for myself.
Speaker 1: Tie Hildebrandt over here in eastern Pennsylvania. Thanks again for
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