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Speaker 1: is Tiffany.

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Speaker 2: What's up y'all? It's Mandy and this is Brown Ambition.

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Speaker 1: Ah, what's new with you? Boo? You see what I

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Speaker 1: did there?

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Speaker 3: I did you rhymed all all kinds of awesomeness. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it's only Tuesday. I don't know what's

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Speaker 2: You need to get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm excited for mine too.

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Speaker 3: This is probably the least planning I've ever done for

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, I where's the Pacific? Where is that? Like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, And that's like my kind of vacation. But

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Speaker 3: I remember graduating and being so naive about how deep

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Speaker 1: why do I have to ask somebody that I can

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Speaker 1: get a pasecton me right now if I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: She's like, exactly, And I think that a lot of

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Speaker 1: men don't realize like what it's like to have like

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Speaker 1: your body, your your story, and it's it's being just

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Speaker 1: like it's it's just not treated the same. And there's

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Speaker 1: so much happening. And I know it could be like

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Speaker 1: this flood, the Me Too movement, but I actually know

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Speaker 1: Torona Burke, she's awesome, by the way, and like, it

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Speaker 1: could just be a lot. And I've seen men be like,

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Speaker 1: oh boy, here we go again.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like you and again and again and again.

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Speaker 2: It used to the new normal.

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Speaker 1: Because it's like, well, I mean, it wouldn't be here

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Speaker 1: we go again if it wasn't here we go again.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's just a shame. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just very curious to see how this is going

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Speaker 1: on play out. I might not lie. I'm not all

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Speaker 1: super helpful help hopeful, but you never know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. But I definitely hope that with

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Speaker 1: all of these things coming to light and people really

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Speaker 1: getting punishment. I know, we said we haven't talk about

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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, we don't have to, but like, with like

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Speaker 1: things like that coming up, that more and more of

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Speaker 1: these men are gonna think once twice thrice before you know,

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Speaker 1: making a move that's unwarranted and unwanted wanted toward women.

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Speaker 3: They felt real safe, you know, they felt real secure

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Speaker 3: and making those kinds of moves, you know, because that

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Speaker 3: was the normal. That was the normal that existed. I

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Speaker 3: don't think a person I would like to think that

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Speaker 3: a predator like Bill Cosby couldn't have preyed on so

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Speaker 3: many women in today's age, you know. And it's a

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Speaker 3: damn shame that it took decades and I mean dozens

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Speaker 3: of women right for Bill Cosby, like dozens. It shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have to It shouldn't have to be dozens, you know.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like there is a shift in at

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Speaker 3: least for me. And it's like the one comfort I

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Speaker 3: have after the election, which I can't believe was almost

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Speaker 3: two years ago, is like more women are running for

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Speaker 3: office and the same thing you saw, the same thing

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Speaker 3: happen after Nita Hill. You know, there was Anita Hill

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Speaker 3: effect where all these women started running for office. A

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Speaker 3: lot of women in Congress now ran because of Anita Hill,

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Speaker 3: you know, or what was happening around that hearing. They

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Speaker 3: were motivated to, you know, get a place of power.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we made a little bit of progress,

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Speaker 3: but there's still so much work to do and I

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Speaker 3: guess the positive thing the brown boost here is that

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Speaker 3: so many people, I think both our generations, all generations

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Speaker 3: of women, are standing up and saying this is not

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Speaker 3: going to be our normal, and we are going to

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Speaker 3: do whatever we can to make sure it doesn't become

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Speaker 3: the normal