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Speaker 1: the family of Vanessa gam This beautiful young rising star

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Speaker 1: in the last hours a major bombshell in the case

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Speaker 1: of Vanessa Gean. Yes, her body ultimately found dismembered, burned, buried.

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Speaker 1: It was found because of the stench of decomposure. But

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Speaker 1: it ain't over yet. It is not over yet. First

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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this. Human remains were

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Speaker 1: later confirmed they were indeed human remains. But here today

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Speaker 1: Texas Equisearch. Human remains were found right this close to

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Speaker 1: ABC thirteen Katie r K Houston. Cecily Aguilar and her

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Speaker 1: Really she wants it over? Well, what about Vanessa's mother

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Speaker 1: of liars just in the course of being a cop,

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Speaker 1: But the best part about this is electronic evidence. And

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Speaker 1: All Star panel, Jasmine Caldwell news anchor and reporter Casey

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Speaker 1: Forensic Pathology dot com and assistant medical Examiner Robert Crispin.

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Speaker 1: That you just heard man. He's taught to plenty of

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Speaker 1: liars in his day. Doctor Angela Arnold, Rnown Psychiatrists joining

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Speaker 1: lot of times I got a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: talked about it, and this time I don't. It's still

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Speaker 1: trying to digest that scene and what happened and that

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Speaker 1: fire and that fire was so high, Nancy, it was

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Speaker 1: burning tree limbs fifteen feet above the damn fire. They

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Speaker 1: made that fire hot. There was a tire at that

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Speaker 1: fire too, and we know when you put a tire

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Speaker 1: and a fire burns even hotter. And you know what, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: there is still plastic out there that they did not

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Speaker 1: take in for evidence. And I'm not saying a little

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Speaker 1: bit of plastic. And it was trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: why in the hell didn't they take everything that was here.

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Speaker 1: All they took was that part of that lid there

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Speaker 1: was still stuff out there. Yeah, this investigation was botched terribly, terribly.

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Speaker 1: You know, Robert Crispin, former fed with a dam agent

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Speaker 1: down the Miami Fort Lauderdale area, now private investigator with

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Speaker 1: Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert, do you know how much

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Speaker 1: people lose faith, for instance, in the military in this case,

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Speaker 1: or police when they believe the authorities don't care or

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Speaker 1: do a bad job like leaving behind evidence. You had

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Speaker 1: to drag them out there by their toenails to come

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Speaker 1: look at what ultimately we learn hide Vanessa's dead body

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Speaker 1: in it. I mean, you just lose faith, especially in

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Speaker 1: today's world with law enforcement being such the black eye

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Speaker 1: of all the citizens out there trying to do their

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Speaker 1: job and just the public not supporting them. But the

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Speaker 1: problem is, and I don't know the experience of the investigators,

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Speaker 1: but I will tell you from being on just hundreds

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Speaker 1: of scenes in my time, the experience of the investigator

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Speaker 1: has a lot to do with that case. Just because

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Speaker 1: you got a detective bad doesn't mean you can be

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Speaker 1: a detective and not working these particular crimes or a

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Speaker 1: numerous commicides or numerous types of crimes where you have

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Speaker 1: experience and you do the little things like take all

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Speaker 1: the evidence, speak to all the witnesses, have an open

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Speaker 1: an open mind as to how this happened. You know

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Speaker 1: who your suspects are. And if you leave behind evidence,

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, that makes this confession that much more important

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Speaker 1: than it be kept in evidence. To doctor Prea Banerjee,

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Speaker 1: Assistant medical examiner, pathologist at anchor Forensic Pathology dot com,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Priya, her body was dismembered. We need that confession.

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Speaker 1: We got to have that confession evidence because with a

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Speaker 1: dismembered body, it may be more difficult to determine cod

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Speaker 1: cause of death. Why yeah, I mean anytime you bring

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Speaker 1: in more mutilation to the body, and I call it

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Speaker 1: mutilation even though it's post mortem. I mean it's horrible, right,

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Speaker 1: you're piecemealing the body. You don't know, like if injuries

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Speaker 1: are destroyed in that process. You know, being hit in

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Speaker 1: the head with the hammer, that does give you very

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Speaker 1: key injury, so that should be able to be identified.

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Speaker 1: But really it's it's a much more complicated puzzle that

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Speaker 1: you have to piece together. And I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about a separate issue, which is about the crime scene.

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Speaker 1: I respond to a lot of crime scenes to guide

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Speaker 1: the police and the investigators about what's abnormal. And I

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Speaker 1: completely agree with mister Kristen that it's you don't you know,

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Speaker 1: overlook little things, you know, the plastic. My heart actually

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Speaker 1: breaks for mister Miller too, because they're an a major

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Speaker 1: is an agency, and for them to point out to

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Speaker 1: the police that this is important really goes to show

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Speaker 1: like you need experienced eyes to really tell you, you know,

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Speaker 1: see what the abnormalities are. And remember the bodies first

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Speaker 1: spread out in the field and then coming to the morgue.

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Speaker 1: So really it's so hard in the field to recognize

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Speaker 1: these things. And that's another reason we need this woman,

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Speaker 1: this married mistress of the murderer in evidence. We cannot

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Speaker 1: afford to lose this statement. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to Grace White. Khou eleven search teams

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Speaker 1: were back in the spot where they found human remains

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Speaker 1: in a shallow grave, roughly thirty miles from ford Hood. Today,

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Speaker 1: crews discovered more remains and this is where investigators found

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Speaker 1: the first piece of evidence that led them to believe

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Speaker 1: the search for Vanessa Gean was close to over. Immediately

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Speaker 1: that point in the right spot Texas equasearches. Tim Miller

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Speaker 1: says the evidence they found was the lid to a

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Speaker 1: Pelican storage case, a case a witness says they saw

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Speaker 1: being loaded into a car around eight thirty at night,

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Speaker 1: around the time Vanessa disappeared. Miller says the spot where

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Speaker 1: they found remains was well concealed honor concrete put over

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Speaker 1: at b overnight. Video shows the scene where Kaleen police

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Speaker 1: confronted the suspect. They say he ultimately took his own life,

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Speaker 1: but the army says there's another suspect in custody, a civilian,

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Speaker 1: the estranged wife of a different man, who they say

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Speaker 1: is a former Fordhood soldier. You know, I firmly believe

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Speaker 1: it had not been If it had not been from

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Speaker 1: Myra Gay and Vanessa's sister, Vanessa would never have been found.

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Speaker 1: We would still be wondering where is Vanessa. And now

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Speaker 1: this woman, Cecily Aguilar sits in a cell demanding this

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Speaker 1: quote shi t be over with man. She's got a nerve. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours we learn that as of right now,

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Speaker 1: that statement will be kept in evidence. A federal judge

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Speaker 1: has refused to bend to cave in to defense demands

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Speaker 1: the statement be thrown out, Jasmine Calwell joining us ksee

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Speaker 1: in what happens. Yeah, So basically, um, the most felt

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Speaker 1: that Cecily Aguilar knew that she well the judge felt

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Speaker 1: that she wasn't being held against her will. Um. Cecily

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Speaker 1: Aguilar had even made a statement that, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought that, you know, if I will help you guys,

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Speaker 1: I would be able to go home. So because she

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Speaker 1: said that on camera, which is the first time we

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Speaker 1: saw her tape confession, the judge said, well, you know

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Speaker 1: she knew that, you know, she was she wasn't being arrested,

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Speaker 1: so she that confession was volunteer voluntarily. So to the

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Speaker 1: sister of Anesage and Myra Ghee and with us right now, Myra,

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Speaker 1: what is your response your reaction to the judge's ruling? Um, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad that the judge took the correct decision.

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Speaker 1: And to um, you know, not even thinking about I mean,

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Speaker 1: the whole time I was there on the court, I

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Speaker 1: would see his reaction towards the defense, and let me

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Speaker 1: tell you, I'm glad that he has you know, like

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Speaker 1: it was just like why even file this, Like what

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Speaker 1: the motive of this? And I'm just glad that that

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Speaker 1: motion is stilling evidence because it plays such a big part,

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Speaker 1: such a huge part, now like why I'm with us,

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Speaker 1: thinky and family lawyer Myra Ghee and her sister Mayra

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Speaker 1: plays now that you stay in all of our thoughts

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Speaker 1: and prayers, and we are seeing this through till the

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Speaker 1: end of Cicily Aguilar's trial. We wait as justice unfals.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grays Crime story, signing off goodbye friend,