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Speaker 2: ramble for about fifty five minutes to an hour. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about a variety of subjects today, no particular order.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Lebron James Son is an NBA athlete. I don't think

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Speaker 2: right now currently he's quite an NBA player. I think

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Speaker 2: they would draft him, send him to the G league,

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Speaker 2: give him a year and he Mick Cronin said the

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Speaker 2: other day, the UCLA coach, he's not as quick or

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Speaker 2: as fast as he was pre cardiac arrest. He's not

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Speaker 2: quite the player. But I watched him. But I've watched

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Speaker 2: him enough, seen his hops, seen his handles. Hes got

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Speaker 2: a beautiful jumper. He's got a beautiful looking jumper. I

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Speaker 2: like he's jumper, but better right.

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Speaker 3: It looks good he is.

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Speaker 1: For his shooting percentages not good, but it doesn't look

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Speaker 1: like there's a problem with no.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I like it better than his dad's. I

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Speaker 2: think his shooting is very natural. Bigger players don't yet generally,

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Speaker 2: you know Larry Bird, Katie the exception. A lot of

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Speaker 2: times the six or four guys got the perfect jumper,

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Speaker 2: the perfect look, the perfect hand size. But here here's

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Speaker 2: the thing, and I don't know how necessarily to explain

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Speaker 2: this is that this is the worst draft, maybe as

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Speaker 2: bad as the Anthony Bennett draft. So as more mothers

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Speaker 2: are telling their kids do not play football, more mothers,

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Speaker 2: this is in Los Angeles. I have a buddy that

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Speaker 2: lives in Brentwood. He's like, I'm like an outcast for

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Speaker 2: letting my kids play tackle football.

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Speaker 3: I was at the sidebar to it. I was at.

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Speaker 1: A card game with some Hollywood and finance folks, low

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Speaker 1: stakes for they by their standards for sure, or else

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to play in it. And

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Speaker 1: there was a very very smart guy there who had

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Speaker 1: enough money that he when I was like, how do

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Speaker 1: I know this name? I didn't know who he was

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Speaker 1: name's Drafter. I left the card game, I googled his

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Speaker 1: name and I was like, oh, you almost bet you

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Speaker 3: Bought this baseball team like six years ago.

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Speaker 1: I won't see the but he said that like he

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Speaker 1: and he was a very sharp guy, and he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think football should be legal.

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Speaker 3: Under eighteen years old. And I didn't agree with him.

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Speaker 1: But Mike, I'm just echoing your point that there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that are not letting their kids

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Speaker 1: even consider playing tackle football, particularly I bet it Skew's

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Speaker 1: higher income and things like that. But go ahead, as

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Speaker 1: you were saying about.

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Speaker 2: Brownie, Yet you can get brought pretty in the final pick.

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Speaker 2: Half the league is undrafted, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo and drafted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the NBA is.

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Speaker 2: A global game, and people are suggesting they're not three

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Speaker 2: surefire NBA starters in this draft. There's two rounds. There's

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Speaker 2: almost no players after the twelfth pick. It's a cheaper

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Speaker 2: sport to play. Hockey and football are expensive. It's a

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Speaker 2: global sport. Is that saying that the NBA is so

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Speaker 2: good it's impossible to make it? Is it saying our

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Speaker 2: domestic culture is broken and our players are distracted and

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Speaker 2: a global sport. We don't have a shortage of great

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Speaker 2: baseball players, great hockey players. We're having drafts like every

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Speaker 2: third draft is talentless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I so I think it's actually more the

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Speaker 1: now than at any point in my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: There, And so I think it is less that, oh

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Speaker 3: Ago, would be good starters, good like good.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at some teams that we thought

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Speaker 1: for expansion. It's an argument for adding teams to the

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Speaker 1: Like you look at the Western Conference in the NBA

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Speaker 1: And then I want to circle back to Brownie for

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Speaker 1: a moment. So Minnesota is not going to be worse.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna be the one seed,

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go down the standings.

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Speaker 1: Denver is here to stay, Oklahoma City's only getting better.

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Speaker 1: The Clippers maybe take a step back, but if they

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Speaker 1: bring everyone back, why with they not maintain about where

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Speaker 1: they are. Dallas seems to have figured out the Luca

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Speaker 3: They're even playing defense in Dallas. They're playing defense. Luca's

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Speaker 3: top three player in the league, hands down. They're fine. Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so Phoenix could go backwards because of the

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Speaker 1: then you have Memphis with John coming back, the Wimby

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Speaker 3: That's thirteen teams. It's fifteen teams in the conference.

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Speaker 1: So there's just the teams are so talented and so loaded.

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Speaker 3: I think that's about the draft.

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Speaker 1: I want to defend the brownni thing for a minute

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Speaker 3: So what if this is?

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Speaker 1: Can everyone, even the biggest Lebron James critics, acknowledge the

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Speaker 3: Okay, for folks arguing, oh my gosh, Lebron's putting his

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Speaker 1: Why would he do it. He's hurting his son long run,

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Speaker 1: he's undercutting it. I don't know that this is the

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Speaker 1: if Lebron's thought process is on this current trajectory in

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Speaker 1: today's college basketball climate, my kid is not going to

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Speaker 1: get the development and improvement that he needs over the

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Speaker 1: next three years to one day be an NBA player. However,

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Speaker 1: from how Seth Curry went undrafted and then bounced around

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Speaker 1: the G League for two years getting multiple chances. I

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Speaker 3: No, do I think that is fair? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Define fair.

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Speaker 1: Is it absolutely what I think I would do if

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Speaker 1: I were in Lebron's place, am I like? Of course,

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Speaker 1: if I can help my kid achieve his and he

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Speaker 1: I'm going to and uh and and folks whining about it,

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Speaker 1: like people in the NBA sell second round picks for

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Speaker 3: These are not like the hottest.

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Speaker 1: Come out of thees, like, oh my god, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: What's gonna hurt Brownie is he's six to two, and

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Speaker 1: I I know Mannis and Shams and other people have

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying he can't be, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Lebron is doing is being unfair to

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Speaker 2: I think my my example that makes me laugh the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I mean this is we can talk

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Speaker 1: forty seven presidents in this country. One were father and son,

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Speaker 1: We're used to it everywhere, and for some reason people

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Speaker 2: So I thought there was sort of an ugly moment

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Speaker 2: with Caitlin Clark when some former Yukon players you know,

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Speaker 2: Like she's dominant at college. And I've always had this

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Speaker 2: Now there are high school guys that are five to

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Speaker 2: nine average thirty a game. They get to college they're

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Speaker 2: not big enough. Or college guys, you know, the off

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Speaker 2: But if you're a regular normal height in the league

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Speaker 2: and you're going into no defense has ever stopped any

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Speaker 2: great score score. There was no Kobe Stopper, MJ. Topper,

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Speaker 2: Tony Allen was a great defender, and guys got there.

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Speaker 2: They got what they wanted to get. Is that and

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Speaker 2: I think that's transferable. I think there are certain things

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Speaker 3: He's looking up the court.

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Speaker 2: She reminds me of the mahomes where she's scrambling, never

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