WEBVTT - Part One: All Hail King Ludd: How the Luddites Almost Saved Us

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>your host, Margaret Kildroy. Well with me today, as my

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<v Speaker 2>guest is see if I get this right, Robert Avon's

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<v Speaker 2>host of the podcast derrier les Salude. Yeah, podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>focuses on all the bad people in French history. I

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<v Speaker 2>get that right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all of that's perfect. I continue to be amazed

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<v Speaker 3>that the Apple people let that title into the into

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<v Speaker 3>iTunes or whatever tunes they use these days. But I

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<v Speaker 3>guess they knew brilliance when they saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, clearly because they didn't well or they were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just actually spoke French and didn't realize that derriere had

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<v Speaker 2>a different meaning in English.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, so that's probably what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>What are we hearing about today, magpie?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you ever had a piece of technology that you

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't stand, one that made you dare I say

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<v Speaker 2>it feel like a bit of a luddite.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, everything that is more recent than about twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>with the exception what I'll say, this shows you how

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<v Speaker 3>badly Star Trek the next generation hacked my brain. Anything

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<v Speaker 3>that's like a cool screen, like a folding screen or

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<v Speaker 3>a transparent screen, I'm still on board with. I love

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<v Speaker 3>a cool screen. I can't get past that part of

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<v Speaker 3>growing up on TNG. But yeah, self driving cars, no

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, AI anything, no fucking thank you. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>even really good on board with the tiktoks.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm like annoyed that I'm so actively annoyed

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<v Speaker 2>that they're trying to ban it. Yeah, I also don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to use it. But what I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>do is remember to do the rest of my introduction,

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<v Speaker 2>including introducing our producer Sophie Hi.

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<v Speaker 5>Sophie Hi Robert doesn't know how to use most technology,

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<v Speaker 5>but yet knows how to report on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really fun for me. Yeah, his business kin impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even tell you the amount of times of

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<v Speaker 1>explained things to him and went. But you started as

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<v Speaker 1>a tech turtalist.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>How could you not do basic human thing in Robert's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, let me tell you about something nobody

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<v Speaker 1>has ever heard of and explain it perfectly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean some of it is that like Abe Simpson

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<v Speaker 2>saying it'll happen to you, because like my dad was

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<v Speaker 2>an early adopter. He like didn't have a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>money and he spent all of it on computers.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah that was my dad as well. Actually yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>or more than more than he should have. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>and uh and no doesn't I mean, you know whatever

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. But I'm starting to hit that point myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like explaining computer things to my dad, and

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<v Speaker 3>now I'm like, you know, one of my friends like

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<v Speaker 3>takes the remote away from me while I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>navigate the YouTube menu, and it's like give it to me, Grandma.

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<v Speaker 3>Hya Garrison gives me no end of shit because I

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<v Speaker 3>love having motions smoothing on Christ the most boomer thing

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever said.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really upsetting.

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<v Speaker 5>None of us would be anywhere with technology without our

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<v Speaker 5>wonderful editor and who is he?

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<v Speaker 2>Danel? That was a really good transition.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like I'm a professional.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird. Yeah, someone should actually pay you at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should get on that. Daniel is our audio editor.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone say saying hi to Daniel.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>Danel Hi, Daniel Hy Daniel.

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<v Speaker 2>Our theme musical is written for us by unwoman. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>so follow up question. You have the technology that makes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like a bit of a ludite. What's your

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<v Speaker 2>take on industrial revolution and its consequences for humanity?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, consequences is such a big word, and to

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<v Speaker 3>be honest, I don't think you can really We're still

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<v Speaker 3>waiting to see are we going to pull out of

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<v Speaker 3>this climate tail spin that we are currently in before

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<v Speaker 3>it it kills everything of value on the planet. And uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think until we get the final answer

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<v Speaker 3>to that, we won't be able to say for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Because there's obviously there's a lot of horrible downsides, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fucking sweatshops and industrial war and shit. But there's also

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<v Speaker 3>like labor saving devices. There's god knows how many people

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<v Speaker 3>have had a chance to explore themselves art, creativity, just

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<v Speaker 3>spend more time, you know, with their family because of

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<v Speaker 3>labor saving devices. So I'm going to I'm going to say,

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<v Speaker 3>like the this is still a neck and neck fight

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<v Speaker 3>right now, Like we'll see, we'll see who hits the

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<v Speaker 3>finish line first.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I I feel like one team called climate change

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<v Speaker 2>is pulled out ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>It's yes, yes, look is that is that? Is that

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<v Speaker 3>the best odds you're gonna get right now? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would put words in your mouth and say that appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>technology is a beautiful thing and a worthwhile thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it certainly can be.

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<v Speaker 2>And so sometimes people assume that to be a luttite

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<v Speaker 2>is to be against all technology, and that the people

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<v Speaker 2>fighting against the Industrial Revolution were against the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>making life better. And today we're going to talk about them.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about the Luddites. Hell yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>know much about the Luddites. I know that they were

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<v Speaker 2>skilled workers, mainly in the garment industry, like weaving and

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<v Speaker 2>like that, which is just having done one part of that,

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<v Speaker 2>like shearing the animal part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the whole. Like, the amount of human labor before

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<v Speaker 3>we developed the machines we've developed was titanic. And my

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<v Speaker 3>understanding is a lot of them did not like that

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<v Speaker 3>these machines were coming in. At least certain types of

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<v Speaker 3>the machines that came in to automate this process because

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<v Speaker 3>they turned it from a skilled trade where people the

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<v Speaker 3>people doing it were valuable and had some leverage because

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<v Speaker 3>you needed it done and only a certain number of

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<v Speaker 3>people knew how to do it to something that where

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<v Speaker 3>they were all just kind of slotted in like little

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<v Speaker 3>machines themselves, right, And they viewed it as like reducing

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<v Speaker 3>the dignity of labor, among other problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say that that's a good overall look

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<v Speaker 2>at the Luddites and what they were doing, is that

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<v Speaker 2>they were opposed to what the machines were doing, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than like that thing has too many spinning wheels.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The issue isn't I don't like machines because they

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<v Speaker 3>do things better. It's I don't like the way these

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<v Speaker 3>machines are being used to turn us into machines. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, interestingly, a lot of people are really proud

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<v Speaker 2>of their work, and some of these machines, not all

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<v Speaker 2>of them, but some of these machines were absolutely turning

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<v Speaker 2>out junk. We're turning out inferior quality work.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, I wonder if that's going to ever happen again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I'm not sure. I actually don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>this has any reflection. This is very in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>No modern, Okay, well I'll just get into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In eighteen eleven, during the middle of the Industrial Revolution,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of textile workers in northern England came together

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<v Speaker 2>to fight against the mechanization of their industry. Labor organizing

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<v Speaker 2>had been outlawed, so this didn't stop them. They formed

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<v Speaker 2>a secret society and they went about smashing machines with hammers,

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<v Speaker 2>burning down factories, and occasionally shooting back at the owners

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<v Speaker 2>who were shooting and killing them on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of them were men wearing dresses.

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<v Speaker 3>Love to see it. I mean it's efficient, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, Yeah, all that room to move, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>go hiking all the time in long skirts and people

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<v Speaker 2>are like, what are you doing? That's gonna catch on things?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just like, I've been doing this for a

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<v Speaker 2>very long time.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're doing a lot of hallucinogens, you learn the

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<v Speaker 3>best way to do certain things. And that's how I

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<v Speaker 3>realized that the most efficient kind of dress was like

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<v Speaker 3>a slightly longer than ankle link skirt. Yeah, like dress

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of clothing, Yeah, totally stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the maxi skirt, this is the finest thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pajamas you can wear all day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's easy to make too. I used to make my

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<v Speaker 3>own skirts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's actually the only thing I used to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to sew.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I'm not a great just that.

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<v Speaker 2>So these Luodites pushed England right to the brink of

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<v Speaker 2>outright revolution. The other thing that I didn't realize coming

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<v Speaker 2>into this was just how big of a deal the

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<v Speaker 2>Luodite rebellion was. The government decided to declare its loyalty

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<v Speaker 2>with the owners and not the people. Soldiers put down

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<v Speaker 2>the uprising quite violently. A bunch of people were hanged,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people were deported to Australia, and the

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<v Speaker 2>lud eight Rebellion was quelled. Its songs and its name

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<v Speaker 2>live on, though mostly sadly are quite horribly misrepresented. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a few mainstream of it narratives available about our friends,

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<v Speaker 2>the Luddites. The first, of course, is the simplistic version.

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<v Speaker 2>And some people didn't like technology, so they smashed up

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<v Speaker 2>machines because they hated change. Sure, and then if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going galaxy brain chart, next up is the more historically

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<v Speaker 2>informed one. The Luttites didn't hate technology, is a concept.

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<v Speaker 2>They hated the automation of their jobs that robbed them

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<v Speaker 2>of employment, like kind of like cashier's matt itself checkout

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<v Speaker 2>lines or something. Sure you can keep going higher up

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<v Speaker 2>you get to kind of you know, it's not that

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<v Speaker 2>the Luddites had one job in a factory and suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>had a different job in a factory. It's that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have a factory job at all. They had a

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<v Speaker 2>job as an artisan, right yeah. And the Luddite rebellion

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<v Speaker 2>is positioned in the midst of the Industrial Revolution, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a revolt by those used to artistsan skilled

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<v Speaker 2>labor and a life with some level of dignity and

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<v Speaker 2>as you pointed out, some level of bargaining power, right yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And from this point of view, it is a revolt

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<v Speaker 2>against the modern world. Is a revolt against what future

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<v Speaker 2>friend of the Pod Woiam Blake, only seven years earlier

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<v Speaker 2>had called the dark satanic mills of industry that were

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<v Speaker 2>cropping up.

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<v Speaker 3>M okay, but kind of makes them sound cool too.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of the problems when you hang out

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<v Speaker 2>mostly in history books from like the early eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people saying really cool radical stuff are

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<v Speaker 2>framing it theologically, and so they're like confusing my like

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<v Speaker 2>metal head conception of what makes something cool, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, yeah, because I if like somebody was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm opened up like an occult themed like wool clothes shop,

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<v Speaker 3>could I would you donate some of your wool to

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<v Speaker 3>the dark satanic loom or whatever? Kah, Absolutely, that sounds

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<v Speaker 3>based totally, Yeah, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so most of the time, people who see the

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<v Speaker 2>under these underlying issues still see the Luddites as like

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<v Speaker 2>at best hopeless romantics who couldn't handle the changing of industry,

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<v Speaker 2>like like the whalers who lost their job when lighting

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<v Speaker 2>moved away from whale oil and towards petroleum, or the

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<v Speaker 2>coal miners and Apalachia currently facing the decline of their

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<v Speaker 2>industry right, And so it's this narrative of progress and

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<v Speaker 2>these people who are like tragically left behind. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>buy that narrative. I will present the industrial revolution not

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<v Speaker 2>as a benign or neutral thing, but instead the birth

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<v Speaker 2>of capitalism and industrial production that are, again I'm guessing,

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<v Speaker 2>are going to have irrevocable danger to all of humanity

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. They were not a tiny group doing

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<v Speaker 2>an isolated rebellion. I want to position them as revolutionists

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a decentralized global uprising in defense

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<v Speaker 2>of the commons. And did you know that it started

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<v Speaker 2>with a comet in the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>A most good things do.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, Like I think that the well, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>there's the Bible star thing, but I think overall, if

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<v Speaker 2>you read like classic works of literature and there's like

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<v Speaker 2>the omen of the comet in the sky. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>Comet of eighteen eleven, I think is where that comes from?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>For two hundred and sixty days, from March eighteen eleven

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<v Speaker 2>to January eighteen twelve, a massive comment held court in

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<v Speaker 2>the heavens. Its tail was stretched out for everyone to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone in the northern hemisphere. Yeah, the Great Comet of

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eleven. It found its way into the writings of

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<v Speaker 2>Tolstoy and Victor Hugo and William Blake. Tolstoy I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>alive yet, but it ends up in his writings, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was seen as a portent all over the

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<v Speaker 2>world by all kinds of uprisings. Mostly people were like,

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<v Speaker 2>you think the world's ending, and everyone's like pretty sure, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure.

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<v Speaker 4>The world's ending.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's another thing psychologically going on here too.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just say this because of like how I

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<v Speaker 3>tend to interpret some of the things that I've experienced

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<v Speaker 3>in my life that I could see as supernatural or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that most people who recognize that like something

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<v Speaker 3>is fucked up and they need to do something about

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<v Speaker 3>all the fucked up shit are also like, but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to like die or you know, sacrifice my

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<v Speaker 3>life or whatever, and you're kind of looking for an

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<v Speaker 3>excuse that like, Okay, it's the time to act, and

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<v Speaker 3>anything that happens that's weird is like, well, shit, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess it was that, right, Like that's as good as

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<v Speaker 3>I've been looking for an excuse to start, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the process of fighting back. And I guess this comments

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<v Speaker 3>as good as any.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, that makes a lot of sense to me because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like they knew it was a comet. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>they had astronomy and stuff. You know, it's still meant

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to them symbolically.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that makes sense to me. And there were a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of uprisings in eighteen eleven and eighteen twelve, and some

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<v Speaker 2>of them used very consciously the language of defending the Commons.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them didn't, but all of them, well, all

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that I'm going to talk about, were fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for a way of life that hadn't been defined by capitalism, colonialism,

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<v Speaker 2>or the great enclosures of the Commons. To talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the Commons, I talk about the comments reasonably often, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is like one of the more important

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<v Speaker 2>concepts to understand where we're at now is in short,

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<v Speaker 2>lot of cultures, but most notably medieval England. Because they

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<v Speaker 2>managed to export culture and language all over the world

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<v Speaker 2>through power process of domination. You had what was known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Commons, and the idea that most of the

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<v Speaker 2>land was just kind of publicly owned, like well, why

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<v Speaker 2>would you own that. It's not your house or yard.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, people can just go collect firewood, hunt gray's sheep,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe grow some potatoes. It's land. Use it like land,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone can use it. It's land, it's the commons. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you get the enclosure of the commons, which was

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<v Speaker 2>the privatization of it, which was literal and direct. And

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<v Speaker 2>England was carved up by stone fences, hedgerows and ditches,

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<v Speaker 2>dividing everything up. I like, whenever you see like an

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<v Speaker 2>old movie and it's like medieval England and someone like

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<v Speaker 2>runs through a hedge along the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me feel like that couldn't be real, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but that actually was, that was what was happening by

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<v Speaker 2>late medieval England. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess the last gasp of it is here

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<v Speaker 3>out on the West coast, you have a shitload more

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<v Speaker 3>BLM land, like out in Oregon and Washington and even

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<v Speaker 3>big chunks of California. You regularly find yourself in these

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<v Speaker 3>vast tracks of land that's just like, well, this is

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<v Speaker 3>all of ours, right, Like it's still kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>last gasp of that attitude, I guess because white people

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been here as long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, totally. The public lands in the US are

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<v Speaker 2>a really interesting and BLM is like more directly just

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<v Speaker 2>used as like, huh, do whatever you want, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this enclosure started in the medieval period and

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<v Speaker 2>just kept ramping up through the nineteenth century. We've talked

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch about the seventeenth century anti enclosure rebels. If

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<v Speaker 2>people want to hear more about it, go listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the episode with the about the diggers, the levelers and

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<v Speaker 2>the ranters and then the Industrial Revolution kicked off and

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<v Speaker 2>everything got more enclosurey by the end of the eighteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>By like the seventeen nineties or so, things are really

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<v Speaker 2>fucking heated in this way. In the seventeen nineties there

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<v Speaker 2>were twenty five parliamentary enclosure acts in England. By eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>eleven there were one hundred and thirty three. Geez, and

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<v Speaker 2>the enclosure wasn't just of land. Everything suddenly had to

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<v Speaker 2>be discreete like with the tea in between the two

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<v Speaker 2>e's and regimented rivers became canals. Language became more codified.

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<v Speaker 2>You started getting like dictionaries and lexicons published, which overall, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not inherently against that. Right alongside of that, press

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<v Speaker 2>censorship went up. Yeah, class divisions became even more pronounced,

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<v Speaker 2>which I totally don't entirely understand, because England's like one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most class divided places in the world. You know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they speak a different language from each other. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, during the enclosure of the commons, the

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<v Speaker 2>word common takes on its negative connotations. Soldiers start living

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<v Speaker 2>in they start living separate from everyone else, housed in barracks.

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<v Speaker 2>The prison industrial complex kicks in prisons are being built everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Prisoners are doing a lot of the labor for building

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<v Speaker 2>this infrastructure in England. England became famous and actually mocked

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<v Speaker 2>for building so many barracks and prisons, Like what the

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<v Speaker 2>was wrong with these people? The enclosure also came for gender.

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<v Speaker 2>To quote author Peter Liinbau quote, the household became part

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<v Speaker 2>of the system of enclosure. The genders were separated by

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<v Speaker 2>doctrine of the two spheres, the private sphere for women

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<v Speaker 2>and the public sphere for men. The wife ceased to

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<v Speaker 2>have a legal persona or existence. Yeah, And prior to

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<v Speaker 2>the Industrial Revolution, most manufacturing was done by artisans working

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<v Speaker 2>at home or in small workshops, which is now called

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<v Speaker 2>kind of disparagingly a cottage industry. Right, These cottages became factories.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was a way more efficient way to speed

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<v Speaker 2>up the process of destroying the Earth's atmosphere. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was also a substantial decreasing quality of life for the

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<v Speaker 2>individual producers. It also had like some positive knock on effects, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you ever read about how long it took

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<v Speaker 2>to make cloth back in the day, with yes and

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<v Speaker 2>spinning and weaving, like that was your life was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean that is there's a really good

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<v Speaker 3>a historian who does like a blog kind of analyzing

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<v Speaker 3>myths about classical civilizations. He's did a multipiece one on

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<v Speaker 3>the Spartans, trying to talk about like how oppressed the

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<v Speaker 3>helots were. And one of the things he goes into

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<v Speaker 3>is if you are a woman and a family, most

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<v Speaker 3>of your life is making and maintaining clothing for your family,

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<v Speaker 3>and not to have multiple outfits just to be able

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<v Speaker 3>because you're wearing them every day. They're getting warned by

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<v Speaker 3>outside work and when you're taxing you know half or what,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's like eighty hours a week for a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people for basically your whole life, like maintaining forty

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<v Speaker 3>to eighty hours a week, depending you know, on a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of things, maintaining and whatnot, clothing for your family,

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<v Speaker 3>like it is like a nightmare burden.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, I remember reading once that it was like

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<v Speaker 2>to make a square yard of linen was about a

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<v Speaker 2>week's worth of labor. Yeah, someone who knew what they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing.

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<v Speaker 3>There are very few people alive today who do anything

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<v Speaker 3>as hard as maintaining clothing for a family back in

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<v Speaker 3>like that period of time. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And that's what's so frustrating, right, He's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I love my dishwasher, right, yeah, yeah, it's great. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I don't, and I didn't have one until

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<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, in my late thirties, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, and I was like, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean one of those wash dishes. That's meditative. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just like rinse off my dishes, throw them in

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<v Speaker 2>the dishwasher, like yeah, no it is. It's and this

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<v Speaker 2>is what's so frustrating, because yeah, it's very natural to

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<v Speaker 2>look at this and be like, well, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to everyone having to hand weave everything, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course not, I would just freeze to death.

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<v Speaker 2>The very first factories of the Industrial Revolution textile factories

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<v Speaker 2>producing the cloth that got sent out to the various cottages.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the first part to be industrialized. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>textile was big business in England. It was the largest

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<v Speaker 2>industry in England. A million people around ten percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the country was involved in the wool industry alone. Then

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<v Speaker 2>cotton started coming in from India and the US and

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<v Speaker 2>that was even easier to work. You get your first

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<v Speaker 2>textile machine, the stocking frame, invented in fifteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>People of all genders wore stockings and not pants, and

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<v Speaker 2>this was made of knitted wool, and so this was

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<v Speaker 2>a way of automating or at least rapid incredibly speeding

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<v Speaker 2>up that process. The queen was like, if you patent that,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll fuck over all the poor people know it'll trash

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<v Speaker 2>her economy, so she didn't let it be patented. And

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<v Speaker 2>during the chunks of the medieval period you have this

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<v Speaker 2>thing in England that you still see today where the

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<v Speaker 2>crown is seen as what protects the commoners from like

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<v Speaker 2>poverty and the rich you know what later becomes the

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<v Speaker 2>capitalist class. But slowly, surely knitting was automated.

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<v Speaker 3>And that makes sense to me, like the role of

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<v Speaker 3>the because if you're the queen or the king or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>you're on top of your social hierarchy. Everyone below them

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<v Speaker 3>is constantly jockeying and fighting for power and influence, and

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<v Speaker 3>the primary way to do that is by finding new

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<v Speaker 3>ways to fuck over the poor, Whereas if you're on top,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not jockeying for power over the others, but you

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<v Speaker 3>do always have to keep an eye on like, are

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<v Speaker 3>the poor pissed off enough that they might kill us.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so you're the only one that hit that

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<v Speaker 3>is really focused on that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're right, that is such a good point. That

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<v Speaker 2>is where you're h Yeah, that's that's uh. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>too far yet, Yeah, but you know what doesn't go

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<v Speaker 2>too far except some of the ads we've been getting lately.

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<v Speaker 3>Occasionally handled yes, yes, the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Ads that aren't in support of genocidal regimes or becoming

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<v Speaker 2>jailers don't do either of those two things.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But anything else that's being sold, you should buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel bad Margaret because you said jailor, and I

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<v Speaker 3>forgot to immediately respond jailor. I hardly know her. That's

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<v Speaker 3>my bit, a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good bit. It's pretty original, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, it's great. Sophie loves it. Sophie loves that. I

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<v Speaker 3>do it. Anytime someone says anything with an er at

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<v Speaker 3>the end, Yeah, that's Robert. I barely know air that

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<v Speaker 3>to see perfect. It always does.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't encourge this magfi.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>By the mid seventeen hundreds, you've got what's called a

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<v Speaker 2>spinning Jenny, which automates a lot of yarn spinning inventors

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>saw this machine smashed in front of him, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had the fleetown.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking back to when those local youths in Oakland

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<v Speaker 3>destroyed that self driving car the other week. Oh hell yeah,

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen this yet, lit it on fire. Yeah good.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not that the concept of a car that

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<v Speaker 2>drives itself is inherently bad. But within the system that

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 2>we live in, it's going to drive you to jail.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to drive you to jail. It's going to

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<v Speaker 3>take money from poor people and give all of it

0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 3>to the same four guys who were already taking money

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 3>from poor people. Like that is the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and that is what is happening here with industrialization.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not like a lot of people at this point

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<v Speaker 2>are using machines for their work, and they've found ways

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<v Speaker 2>to be skilled laborers using these machines.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I know a lot of people who get wool, either

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<v Speaker 3>from their own animals or from other people animals in

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<v Speaker 3>spin it and use it to make clothing. And they

0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 3>don't have to spend eighty hours a week to barely

0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 3>maintain one guard because they use modern tools to do

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 3>all that. They just are also artisans.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and so soon enough the spinning jenny

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.360
<v Speaker 2>is attached to a water wheel, and then you get

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>the steam engine. And suddenly, because you have a steam engine,

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 2>you have way more coal mines, and then you have

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 2>to build canals to connect them all with convict labor.

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.160
<v Speaker 2>And there's factories with smoke stacks all over the countryside.

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:33.239
<v Speaker 2>And who worked the factories. Well, it's fucking England, so

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 2>it's children as young as six years old. Two thirds

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:41.359
<v Speaker 2>of the workers in these early factories were children, especially

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 2>orphans hired out essentially slave labor, hired from orphanages and workhouses. Yeah,

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 2>and so people are like, oh, we don't like this,

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and later people are like, oh, they clearly just hate

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:55.719
<v Speaker 2>not working all the time. They're like, no, the smoke stacks,

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the child slavery anyway.

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we don't really know what the cancer is, but

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 3>we're pretty sure this is causing it.

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we shouldn't be breathing this, that's all I know.

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 2>So the comments are enclosed and people start seeing their

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.360
<v Speaker 2>way of life disappear and their quality of life drop dramatically,

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't accept it. They fought back. Sometimes they

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:18.679
<v Speaker 2>did it chaotically. Sometimes they did it in an organized fashion,

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and they did this all over the world. I hate

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:24.440
<v Speaker 2>to give the US Revolution much credit. If you've heard

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:26.359
<v Speaker 2>any other episode, it just me talking shit on the

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:31.439
<v Speaker 2>US Revolution. But it really did change the world, and

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 2>this wave of republicanism spread over Europe, inspiring the French

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Revolution soon after, and people started being like, hey, what

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.639
<v Speaker 2>if we had like rights?

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Like what if? Like what an idea?

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 2>You know? And by seventeen ninety two you have the

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 2>London Corresponding Society, which is one of the first working

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 2>class organizations. It is basically a proto trade union. It

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 2>was started by a shoemaker and some buds. It was

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.919
<v Speaker 2>open to everyone and it fought for democracy. So the

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 2>government passed the Combination Acts that made union organizing illegal.

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 2>And uh, one thing we've seen time and time again

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 2>is that if you make union organizing illegal, people don't

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>sit down and shut up. They start sabotaging things.

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you have, you have you have taken the

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 3>option of them to fight without destroying your property or

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 3>your body. So they're going to do one of those

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 3>two things right, and they usually even start with just property.

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 3>And the lights are an absolute example of this. Yeah,

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:40.239
<v Speaker 3>Thomas Hardy was the shoemaker that helped found that organization. Well,

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 3>I know the only cast for that guy if we're

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 3>making a movie about this. Oh, I don't know Tom Harwait.

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I don't know any Yep, Okay, that's an actor.

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 3>That's Mad Max and in Fury Road. Oh ship, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah,

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 3>he can do this job. Sure.

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes people would like, Oh, Margaret, don't any

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 2>pop culture references. I watch a ton of movies and TV.

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm just face blind and don't remember names.

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 3>That's fine.

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 2>So Thomas Hardy from Mad Max is saved by the

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>work of a man who is often called the first

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>anarchist in Western society, William Godwin. He comes way or

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 2>before Prudin, and he's way less of a dick. Yeah,

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>because there's this click of aristocracy around this time, connected

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 2>with the Romantic poets who are going to fight hard

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and at personal expense and risk for the working class,

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 2>including fighting for the Luddites. One day, I'm going to

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.360
<v Speaker 2>do this whole episode where I talk about William Godwin

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and his wife Mary Wolstoncraft, who wrote one of the

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>foundational feminist books. And I had a kid named Mary Shelley,

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>who invented science fiction, who married Percy Shelley, the romantic poet,

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and upstart. But that'll be another episode, although most of

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 2>those characters are going to come in today because they're

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 2>all part of the lodge shit in some weird way.

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 2>So Godwin puts pressure on is like use of the fact.

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 4>That he's like a rich bastard or whatever.

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, to put pressure and be like, hey, maybe

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>don't hang a guy for starting to work in men's association.

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's gonna cause some trouble. And people are fighting

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>back because people are always fighting back. And one of

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the people who fought back was his kid who probably

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't exist. And his name's Ned lud Ah. Yeah, he's

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>a Robin Hood figure, partly in that he probably didn't exist.

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 2>But it's seventeen seventy nine. According to most versions of

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>this story. You've got this kid named Edward Ludd who

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>lives in the Midlands in England, and he's apprentice. He's

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>learning the knitting frame and he has a shitty boss

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's his dad, and he's not so sure that

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>doing the same repetitive motion his entire life is like

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 2>his best plan and so he's a bit of a slacker,

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>so he's whipped for slacking. So he gets a big

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>old hammer, he smashes up the machine, and he fucking

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 2>takes off to Sherwood Forest. Because this happens in fucking Noddingham.

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean this is very familiar, though, Sophie and

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 3>I have ot with a very similar labor problem here

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 3>at cools Out.

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmmm m.

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that Garrison's not allowed a hammer anymore.

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and is only allowed in the four is living

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 2>in the forest.

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that was happening before as well.

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>But oh, okay, so young Gearet disappears into legend or

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>is entirely made up and is sort of the paragon

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 2>of machine smashing. By eighteen oh two, you've got another

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>machine smashing that we can say isn't legend. There's been

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of machine smashings before this. Oh there's actually

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>this thing. It didn't make it in my script, but

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I had this conversation with a friend of mine who's

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>like a historian. He knows a lot about like the

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 2>revolutions of eighteen forty eight and the birth of socialism

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>and all this stuff. And he was telling me about

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 2>how the old heads the old Blood Heights when they're

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 2>like showing up to the eighteen forty eight revolution and

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>they're like, ah, it's time to throw it down, it's

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 2>time to smash machines. And everyone from the eighteen forty

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 2>eight revolution is like, seize the machines. We're gonna seize

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 2>the machinery. And everyone from eighteen forty eight is like,

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>that's what we said, smash it. And there's just a

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 2>culture difference, a generation.

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 4>Gap, if you will.

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen oh two, there's another machine smashing that is not legend.

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Some folks torched a whole less factory, doing nearly a

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>million dollars of damages in today's money. The owner claimed

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>that an apprentice had held him at gunpoint while his

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>friends burned the place. More power to that kid if

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 2>it was true, but it probably wasn't. Despite lack of evidence,

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the kid was arrested, he refused to talk or confess,

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and he was hanged on his nineteenth birthday Jesus Christ.

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Thousands of people came to his funeral. They loved hanging

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about it actually a little bit later. England

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 2>loved hanging people.

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And.

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 2>He died in early martyr of the war against capitalism. Yeah,

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 2>more sabotage abound, and sometimes workers successfully won things like

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>not taking a pay cut and not being replaced by machines.

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>And this fight for the commons was happening all over

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 2>the world. It ties into all kinds of struggles. The

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 2>real MVP toolbreakers are the slaved black people of North America,

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 2>and slave people in the South broke their tools so

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>much that Southern tools weighed three times what northern tools

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>did because they had to make them so that people

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>couldn't break them.

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, in eighteen eleven, with that comet in the sky,

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the US saw the largest slave uprising in its history,

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>at least by numbers of participants. The eighteen eleven German

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Coast Uprising said hundreds of folks, including a lot of Maroons,

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>people who are already living free, who are like leaving

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>their Maroon communities to come put their lives on the

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>line free more people. They marched on New Orleans. It

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't go well. Ninety five of them died.

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, most trips to New Orleans don't go well. Right,

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 3>We can all be honest about that great city.

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, a lot of people die, A.

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Lot of people die there.

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they only killed two white people and the slavers

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>put their heads on pikes and left them by the

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 2>side of the road and shape full.

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Oh wow, Like, well Roman, that's that's pre medieval.

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 2>That's okay.

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean it wasn't heads. But like when the Romans

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 3>defeated Spartacus's army, they crucified I mean presumably, I think

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 3>it was for miles and miles, like on the road

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 3>for miles leading to Rome. They just lighted it with

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 3>crucified bodies.

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 5>Now tell me how to open a PDF document.

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 2>See, I was just thinking. I was like, well, I

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>really like having Robert on because because Robert's deep dives

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>of history are slightly temporally and geographically different than mine.

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Mine lean a little bit more towards like Ireland and

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Norway or like Finland and you know, dark ages, and

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>yours are a little bit more Grecian and Roman.

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely am one of those people who thinks about

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 3>the ancient Roman Empire every single day of my life.

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but no neither of us know how to know

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>anything useful.

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you yell at Garrison until they fix it.

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>You can't. Garrison's living in the forest, so now I

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>yell at my roommates. Oh true, it's true.

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't work, he doesn't pay rent. He just fixes

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 3>my machines when they break every day.

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>That's not a bad deal. It's a solid deal, I think, yeah,

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>for everyone. So the same year, eighteen eleven, you've also

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>got the Red Sticks, who've covered a bit in the

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 2>episode about negro Fort in Florida, and they are indigenous

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 2>warriors fighting for their way of life, and it's it's

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>tied in with this indigenous man named Tokumsa who was

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to create a pan tribal alliance to drive out

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>all the white people and reclaim a way of life

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>best based on sharing things in common. He talked specifically

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 2>about this, saying that indigenous folks saw quote their lands

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>as common property of the whole. So one white kid

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>who is raised by the osage at this time, Salta,

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>comes to speak, and later he wrote about it, and

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>he also wrote about the economy of those age people

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>at the time. He wrote, quote, all their various products

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 2>are in general distributed in proportion to the members of

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 2>each family concerned in their vironment, though sometimes no distribution

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 2>takes place, but all draw as they want from the

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 2>supplying source as a common reservoir till it is exhausted.

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Whenever a scarcity prevails, they reciprocally lend, or rather share

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 2>with each other their respective stores till they are all exhausted.

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that seems like a good way to live.

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 2>No, I know, right, it's just realizing that like a

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of cultures all over the world, including a bunch

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 2>of European ones, were doing this until capitalism and enclosure.

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 3>It's this thing you obviously, you get a lot in

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 3>American culture and then European culture of like idolizing indigenous

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 3>peoples and like, no, they were not like angels, right, Like,

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 3>no one is. You know, they had their wars, they

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 3>had their war crimes. It's just that because for a

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 3>wide variety of reasons, they all tended to embrace the

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 3>idea that members of a community had responsibilities in common

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 3>to each other, which is like and nehema to large

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 3>aspects of Western civilisation, and particularly American Western civilization. Like no,

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 3>you will you have no responsibilities, only only to get

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 3>ahead personally.

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, which is wild because that is where the

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 2>tension is strongest, right, yeah, you have yeah, down in

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 2>South America. So the Napoleonic Wars are going on in Europe. Right,

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Napoleon invaded Portugal and Spain in eighteen oh eight. He

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>installs his brother as the king. This causes a crisis

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 2>in Latin American colonies, or rather opportunities for wars of independence.

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 2>And among the many factions involved in these struggles are

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 2>groups that were dismissed as hopelessly utopian for like not

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.720
<v Speaker 2>being moderates. Right, and these were groups of indigenous folks,

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>black folks, and European idealists fighting alongside one another to

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 2>maintain pastoralism and a culture of hunting to defend the

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 2>fucking commons. You have this first Republic of Venezuela that

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>only lasted from eighteen eleven to eighteen twelve. And Simon Boulevard,

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 2>who is the Great South America. In eighteen twelve he

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 2>wrote this manifesto where he blames the failure of this

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 2>republic on quote certain worthy visionaries who, conceiving in their

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>minds some ethereal republic, have sought to attain political perfection,

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>assuming the perfectibility of the human race. So I'm gonna

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>have to know mull on that. Okay, I don't know

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 2>much about Boulevard much. I only know, like, yeah, I

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 2>have all these like holes in my history research that

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm slowly filling.

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, from what I can tell, he was pretty rad.

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 3>He was also like a direct inspiration or at least

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 3>his image, and it was used by a lot of

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 3>people who sucked ass. Like that makes sense, Yeah, one

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 3>of those lots.

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure no right wing people have fought against

0:36:54.000 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>maternity like the lines. And I point out all these

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 2>people to because people tend to view the Luddite is

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>either these hopelessly isolated flash in the pan rebels, or

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 2>they tend to view them as like the smartest and

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 2>uniquely best rebels. The only people who could have saved us.

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 2>The English are the only people who could figure out

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>this whole rebellion thing. But their tactics and some of

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:26.240
<v Speaker 2>their ideals came from the colonies, and at least partly

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 2>they came from Ireland. Much like all of our sponsors,

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 2>we are sponsored only by Irish companies. Any of the

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 2>following accents, you should just assume that they use a

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 2>leprechaun as their.

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:45.399
<v Speaker 3>Logo, and you know, drink Guinness. If you have any

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 3>water in your house, throw it out block your taps

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 3>with concrete and pure Guinness diet. Yeah, breakfast to champions.

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Also Guinness water balloons. Okay, it's nice out now, you know,

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 3>with global warming and the way to keep cool is

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 3>to fill water balloons up with any alcohol. I'm just

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna go do a marathon with a camelback of Guinness. Okay.

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:11.800
<v Speaker 4>True story.

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Today.

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Today, I was, I was trying to look something up.

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I was, I was looking at something about preparedness, and

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I was I was thinking about how hard tack. Honey

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 2>and liquor are the things that like last forever, right, Yeah?

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 2>And I so I typed into Google can you live

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>off of only liquor? And the answer that popped up

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 2>was the suicide in Crisis health hotline.

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 3>That's fun. I was like, I don't know that that's good.

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 3>That's good stuff. You really you really don't?

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 2>I drink for ritual purposes, that's my current line. I do.

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 3>I just do a lot of rituals. Yeah, you're very spiritual.

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm a very spiritual kind of guy. One time I

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.279
<v Speaker 3>had this ritual in San Francisco where we just we

0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 3>poured two handles of tequila into a camelback and then

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 3>threw a bunch of lime popsicles in there, so it

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 3>just melted throughout the day and you can go into

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 3>stores with a camel back nobody notices.

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 5>Total, I saw this video on TikTok and I know

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 5>how to use it.

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Sorry.

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 5>Olds of this person who was going somewhere but didn't

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 5>want to spend money on expensive drinks, so she brought

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 5>a glass purse and filled it up with different layers

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 5>of jello, like alcoholic jello.

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 3>But you have to know, I'm sorry, you have to

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 3>stop first. Glass.

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 5>So it was like it was you know, I sorry,

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 5>this is you don't seem to know how to explain

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 5>this to us. It was a bat so it was

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 5>made out of glass in the shape of a purse.

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 5>I will send it to you so you can what

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm sayings. And then they didn't have to pay for

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:00.040
<v Speaker 5>drinks the whole night, and it was in the and

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 5>it was in a rainbow. It was a rainbow jel

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 5>alcoholic jello shots. See that's what I said. I was

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 5>with I was with them. But then they decided in

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:12.919
<v Speaker 5>order to blend in said beverage, said said beverage things

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.319
<v Speaker 5>so they don't get caught bringing in something like that.

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Usually opaque containers would be one's first go to.

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:20.800
<v Speaker 5>Well, a lot of a lot of like bigger places

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 5>make you bring clear bags.

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh so interesting, it was, so that was the part.

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 1>They like put regular objects in it to make it

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 1>look more real. And then they put like fingernail clippers

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>in there, and I was, I was like you.

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like you, I appreciate the work. I appreciate

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 2>people putting in the work. Yeah, I was. I appreciate too,

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 2>But you lost.

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Me with the fingernail clippers, respectfully.

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I just had the leather jacket where the pockets went

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 2>straight into the lining, so I could fit an entire

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.919
<v Speaker 2>six pack in the lining of my jacket. And I

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 2>was a wraith thin nineteen year old, so it didn't

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>affect Myselfette.

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 3>I bought from a place in Dublin, actually River Island.

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 3>They had this like pirate jacket, was like a peacoat

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 3>that was slightly pirate styled enough that like it looked neat,

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 3>but not enough that you looked like you were like

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 3>going to a rin fair while wearing it. And I

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 3>had a friend tear out the lining and replace it

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 3>with twenty different kinds of pockets. Made out of twenty

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 3>different kinds of fabric, including it had two pockets in

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 3>the back, each of which could fit a handle a liquor.

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 3>So when I was living in India, you can't take

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 3>liquor on the subway to get to like parties and stuff,

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 3>I would just throw a couple of handles in the

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 3>back of my pirate jacket and like, yeah, roll on

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 3>out exactly.

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.959
<v Speaker 2>And so I hope that all of the ads are

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 2>for things that will destroy you, like glass purses and liquor.

0:41:46.640 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Here they go and we're back. Yeah, if any one

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 3>makes bespoke coats, I missed my old pirate jacket and

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't know where to get a new one. Hit

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>me up.

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 2>So in seventeen ninety eight, Ireland had tried to do

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>a rising, and we've mentioned it basically every episode for

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>the past year.

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Is this the Fenians?

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 2>No, the Fenians are the eighteen fifty ish, Yes, I think, yeah, yeah,

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>although actually now I'm not actually sure. I think this

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 2>is God. They kept having so many uprisings. This is

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 2>the one that I mostly remember as the one where

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.120
<v Speaker 2>the Catholics and the Protestants were one hundred percent, were

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 2>very much together, and then after this. The way that

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 2>it was put down is that the Protestants were given.

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 4>Special treatment by the English.

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a ton of Irish people had to emigrate

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 2>as a result of this failed rising, and a fuck

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 2>ton of them ended up in these working class towns

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 2>in northern England. And the Irish had this traditional method

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 2>of solving certain problems, which is that you send a

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>threatening letter letter that says stop the shit or kill you,

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:03.800
<v Speaker 2>and then you swear an oath of secrecy and valor

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.240
<v Speaker 2>to your friends at the pub. You put on a dress,

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 2>you paint your face to disguise it, and you go

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>break things or burn things or kill people in the

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 2>name of these secret societies that have declared allegiance to

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>folkloric and mythic heroes. We covered this most extensively on

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 2>the Molly McGuire's episodes Ribbon Men or another one of these.

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 3>They really had it all figured out, I really did.

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's the Luddite style. And so they had King

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 2>lud And if you're going to have a king, it

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>should be a king who doesn't exist, just saying absolutely.

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Tolkien understood this more or less. I know, I know

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 3>this is sort of accidentally the yeah to anarchism.

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, so there's two more side characters. I want

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 2>to cover the poets you have William Blake. I love

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 2>William Blake. My dog Rentrew is named after a character

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 2>from William Blake. Blake is like Godwin in this proto

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a tradition. He is a printmaker who does engravings and

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.800
<v Speaker 2>on the side he writes weird fucking theological political tracks

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and illustrated strange limited edition zines. And read the Marriage

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 2>of Heaven and Hell. You can't go wrong. He wrote

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 2>a poem called Jerusalem in eighteen ten, the year before

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the Luddite Rising, and it's basically about the Luddite Rising,

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 2>just a year before it happened. It is a poem

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 2>that is a call to arms to destroy the dark

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Satanic mills and build heaven on earth in England, and

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:34.560
<v Speaker 2>it ends with I will not cease from mental fight,

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>nor shall my sword sleep in my hand till we

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>occupy the commons to green and chill our baked lands.

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Ju isn't like factories.

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 3>People used to be able to, used to be better

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.400
<v Speaker 3>at writing, like on a per cap at a basis,

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 3>good writers are are still good writers. But man, yeah,

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 3>on a bike.

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because even like we'll talk about a little bit later,

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>some of the like random working class Ludites also just

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>put out amazing and other ones wrote amazing prose that

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, we're gonna kill you, right.

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just cause you didn't have a lot else

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 3>to think about at night other than like, how can

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 3>I best describe my feelings? Yeah, totally.

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of fermented things and not a lot

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>of TV.

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 2>So the next year, the comic comes to the sky,

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 2>which the Luddites called a bright flaming sword, which and

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 2>everyone knew it was a comment because they're smart, but

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:32.880
<v Speaker 2>it was more than that to them. And let it

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 2>be Blake's sword that would not sleep in his hand

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:39.280
<v Speaker 2>until we occupy the Commons. Then you have Percy Shelley.

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Percy Shelley is in that family of nobility who are

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 2>like trying to do good. His father's William Godwin, who

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 2>helps save the life of Tom Hardy. Percy wrote ozy Mandaeis,

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 2>which is one of my favorite poems. His wife is

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:54.919
<v Speaker 2>way cooler and more interesting than overall, and she's way

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 2>better remembered. She's Mary Shelley, the author of Frankenstein and

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Frankenstein comes out in eighteen eighteen and is almost certainly

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:06.320
<v Speaker 2>inspired by the Luddite rebellion and the war against machinery

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.439
<v Speaker 2>in general. At the end of it, the Monster says

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>to Frankenstein, you are my creator, but I am your master.

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 2>And so my like red strings connecting history board that

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I keep in my mind at all times. It's basically like, well,

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 2>the genre of science fiction exists because of a working

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.839
<v Speaker 2>class people with hammers and matches who tried to stop

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the industrial revolution.

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:31.280
<v Speaker 3>That actually makes complete sense. Yeah, that makes total sense.

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:35.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Percy's all right, or at least

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 2>super interesting. They're all Polly, they're all a polycule and

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 2>like it just kind of and like, I do.

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Love how this this makes me appreciate the character of

0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Miles O'Brien even more, like a working class Irish union

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:52.720
<v Speaker 3>man in the future of space.

0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh totally totally. And so Percy's important part of the

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.760
<v Speaker 2>story comes after the Luodites, because it's stuff he writes

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 2>and publishes in eighteen twelve, so kind of in the

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 2>middle of it, and it's a good way to get

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 2>a sense of what's going on and what impact the

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Luddites had and some of the ideological framework of the time. Also,

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>he's a vegetarian and sober. If you need another XVX hero,

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 2>there's just way more of them in history than I expected.

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:23.799
<v Speaker 2>He is super young during all of this, but he

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>dies at twenty nine in a boting accident, so he

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 2>really crammed a lot of living into those three decades.

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 2>He's all about the rights of the people and he's

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 2>all about defending the commons. He wrote a manifesto called

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Declaration of Rights that starts off government has no rights.

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.760
<v Speaker 2>It is a delegation from several individuals for the purpose

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 2>of securing their own and he goes on to say

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 2>the rights of man are liberty and an equal participation

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 2>in the commonage of nature because again the commons.

0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Man. I love the economy of his word usage totally.

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 3>He gets everything that matters in such so succinct.

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, totally. And he's a strange poet guy. So

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 2>the first thing he does when he writes his manifesto

0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>is he puts a copy into a bottle and throws

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.279
<v Speaker 2>it into the sea. And then he takes another one

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and he puts it in a hot air balloon and

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 2>like sets it up into the air, but he also

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>publishes it and distributes it based and the next the

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<v Speaker 2>next year he writes a poem that becomes, according to

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<v Speaker 2>author Peter Liinbow, the Bible of the working class for

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<v Speaker 2>the next two generations. It's called Queen Mave and it

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<v Speaker 2>gets its name from the female warrior deity from Ireland,

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<v Speaker 2>mave M. It's spelled ma Ab, but I believe it's

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<v Speaker 2>pronounced mave cool. All the rebels at the time, the

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:43.839
<v Speaker 2>smart ones, anyway, are tying everything into colonialism. Folks used

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<v Speaker 2>Queen Mave to represent indigenous resistance in North America and Ireland,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as English resistance the enclosure of the commons.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's interesting is every now and then I hear

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<v Speaker 2>people say, and I sometimes find myself saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, enclosure of the commons is the English rich

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<v Speaker 2>colonizing the English poor. But this isn't my interpretation. This

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<v Speaker 2>is how the English royalties saw their work at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>There is this asshole Johnsonclair, sorry, Sir John Sinclair, who

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<v Speaker 2>wrote in eighteen oh three, let us not be satisfied

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<v Speaker 2>with the liberation of Egypt or the subjugation of Malta,

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<v Speaker 2>but let us subdue Finkley commons. Let us conquer houndslow heath,

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<v Speaker 2>let us compel at being forest to submit to the

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<v Speaker 2>yoke of improvement. Great, And yeah it's just colonization. There's

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<v Speaker 2>doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeahs as they always do. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>looking at just read a story the other day about

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<v Speaker 3>how under Biden we're looking at like building this AI

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<v Speaker 3>powered like border monitoring thing to like monitor all movement

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<v Speaker 3>on the border, and like, yeah, they'll put those in

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<v Speaker 3>cities if they can, if we let them, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if we don't stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the people who claim to care about government

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<v Speaker 2>overreach are the people who really want them to exis Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so Queen May of this poem, it talks about and

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 2>has like prose sections, and I only read part of

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<v Speaker 2>it for this, I have to admit, Queen May have

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<v Speaker 2>talks about the labor theory of value, about atheism, about

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<v Speaker 2>free love, about vegetarianism and all the revolutionary shit. But

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<v Speaker 2>like two hundred years ago, and his atheism did not

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<v Speaker 2>stop him from giving a speech in favor of Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>emancipation as a matter of ending the oppression of the

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Irish people. He very much She had a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>say about ending the colonization of Ireland and Shelley. In

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 2>this poem, he gets at something that I think best

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<v Speaker 2>captures the spirit of the Luddites. And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>most Tolkien thing I'm going to read today. Power like

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<v Speaker 2>a desolating pestilence pollutes whatever it touches, and obedience bane

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<v Speaker 2>of all genius, virtue, freedom, truth makes slaves of men

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<v Speaker 2>and of the human frame a mechanize automaton.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:08.360
<v Speaker 3>there's a there's a line. I think back to a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of Charlie Chaplin line from The Great Dictator describing

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 3>he was describing the fascist of his day. But I

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.800
<v Speaker 3>think about it a lot in context of tech industry.

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<v Speaker 3>People in AI machine men with machine minds and machine hearts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you were not machines, you were not cattle.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That scene is so good. That is when you need

0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.000
<v Speaker 2>to pick me up. Watch that scene from the Great

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<v Speaker 2>Dictator and don't think too hard about his personal life.

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<v Speaker 3>No, or probably even a bad man can channel the

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<v Speaker 3>mystic from time to time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, total least a flawed one. Yeah yeah, I mean

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:48.359
<v Speaker 2>flawed people do it all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not that way. Ideally, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the working class didn't just get its theory from

0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.279
<v Speaker 2>the rich, educated folks on their side. They also were

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 2>generating it themselves. Among the Luddites were working scholars. They

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 2>were like studying ancient Greek when they're coming home from

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.360
<v Speaker 2>their shifts at the factory and all of that, and

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 2>they're studying the modern proto socialism and the proto anarchism

0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that's going on. Either of those words are really doing

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 2>anything at that point, and they're going to do a

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:22.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of threatening and fighting and oath swearing and being

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:25.799
<v Speaker 2>really cool. And we'll get to it all on Wednesday,

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 2>because that's the cool people did cool stuff. Promise is

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.120
<v Speaker 2>that the first half is context.

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 3>And that's my promise to everyone I know about everything

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<v Speaker 3>any day, but Wednesday, I'll get to it Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Wednesdays the day when I do No. Wait, Thursdays,

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the day I do all my work. Wait, no, I

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.319
<v Speaker 2>work all the time. Wait a second, am, I like

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 2>those people working in the factory.

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<v Speaker 3>Sophie, cut the feed, Cut the feed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking of all the things that I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for you to do, Robert.

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:02.520
<v Speaker 2>But speaking of things that Robert, Robert Evans, if you

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.319
<v Speaker 2>would like to is your podcast available in English now

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 2>as well?

0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:08.239
<v Speaker 3>It is? It is, it is. It's actually always been

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 3>available in English. It's just my very strong Bostonian accent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard for some people to understand. I see, I see.

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 3>But yeah. You can listen to Behind the Bastards every

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.640
<v Speaker 3>week Tuesday and Thursday. And you can find my novel

0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:24.720
<v Speaker 3>After the Revolution. Just type After the Revolution Evans into

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:26.719
<v Speaker 3>Google and it'll come up. Or you can go to

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<v Speaker 3>atrbook dot com and read it on the interwebs for free,

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:33.000
<v Speaker 3>but it's also sold all the places that sell books.

0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:36.759
<v Speaker 2>Or'll type it into Google and bring up the crisis hotline.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, it's not been necessary for my readers.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to read more of what I write,

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I write on substack every week. I write about preparedness,

0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I write about living in times of crisis, and some

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 2>of it is free and then the more personal stuff

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:54.960
<v Speaker 2>you have to pay me for.

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<v Speaker 4>But half of it's free.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are you complaining about, Sophie?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you got?

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<v Speaker 2>I get really sad when I like I listen to

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts while I do all the manual work that I

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 2>like to do and or have to do. And sometimes

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I run out of cool Zone Media podcasts for the week,

0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and I get sad, and I look at other shows,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of them are good.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I had told you there will be more,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh cool, Just as excited as you'll be on Wednesday

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