1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it's confusing. I didn't mean to be an actor, 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: and I don't want to say that lightly because I'm 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: very happy to be one now. But it was never 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: the plan. I was always going to be a filmmaker 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: and a director, a writer, and I think as I 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: began getting roles, it took me like three films to 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: finally on a press junket be like, I guess, yeah, 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm an actor. Hi, my name is Leo Tipton and 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm after hello everybody, and it is Tuesday, which means 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: that's right. Another episode of Off the Beat is here. 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: As always, I'm your host, Brian baum Gartner. You just 12 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: heard from Leo Totin, an incredible person. I so enjoyed 13 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: my conversation with them. They got their start on America's 14 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Next Top Model being contacted on my Space, by the way, 15 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: before getting their big break on Crazy Stupid Love. You 16 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: also may know them from Manhattan Love Story, Warm Bodies, Vengeance. 17 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Are you starting to notice a trend here? Steve Carrell 18 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: in Crazy Stupid Love. Vengeance is BJ Novak's new film. Now, 19 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: what to Steve b J and I have in common? Well, 20 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: that my friends is a riddle even I could solve. 21 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: Leo also has another project, an exciting new show on Peacock. 22 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: It's coming out this week in fact, and if you've 23 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: watched Peacock at all lately, and I do mean at all, 24 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen the promos for it. It's called 25 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: Friend of the Family. Leo stars alongside my other old 26 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: friend Jake Lacey in what Leo calls a star making 27 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: performance and Anna pack when. I'm so excited to watch it, 28 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: and I'm also pretty excited for you to hear my 29 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: conversation with Leo today. Let's have at it. I had 30 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: so much fun with them. Leo tipton everyone, Bubble and Squeak. 31 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: I love it. Bubble and Squeak, Bubble and Squeaker cookie 32 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: every month left over from the nut before. Hi Leo, Hi, 33 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: how are you man? I am I'm pretty good. Little 34 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: jet lags, but me too. This is yet another thing 35 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: we have in common. I am jet lagged today as well. 36 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: Where did you come from Los Angeles? You're in New 37 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: York now, I am? Yeah? Okay? Are you what they 38 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: called bi coastal? Yeah? I wish um not so much 39 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: depends on what job I have at the time. Yes, 40 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: I hear you eight planes in six days for me? 41 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Eight planes? It's not a joke. How where? Why? What 42 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: are you? Are you what they called the know? How? Where? What? Why? 43 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I don't know. I just it 44 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: was just one of those crazy weeks, lots of two 45 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: plane trips and so forth. Um, but I'm so excited 46 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: to be talking to I just I found I found 47 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: energy like thirty minutes ago, knowing that I was going 48 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: to talk to you. I'm finding mine. Oh there you go. Nice. 49 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: I got pressed today. And press makes me so anxious 50 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: that oh god, yeah, why why? Why does to make 51 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: you anxious? Doesn't? I mean, I feel like I have 52 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: a difficult time socializing in general, and I think my 53 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: the way that my words come out is not always 54 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: in a sentence. Uh. They more just kind of like 55 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: fall out of my mouth and they roll around and 56 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm hopefully I can pick them up quick enough that 57 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: no one notices and gleaning together and like throw them back. Um, 58 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: but no, I just get really nervous, and uh, eye 59 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: contact is hard for me, and remembering what I'm saying 60 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: is hard for me, and so it's I got to 61 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: kind of put on a mask when I'm doing press, 62 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: but it's you much prefer this. I yeah, I hear you. 63 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: I definitely early on it was. It was a struggle 64 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: bus for me. I can't believe I just used the 65 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: phrase struggle bus, but yes, yeah it was. It was 66 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: also tough for me, and I think I eventually decided 67 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: I just don't care. So if I if that's a 68 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: help for you at all, I just was like, you 69 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: know what, it's all, it's all a game. Let's do 70 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: the best we can. We're all humans on this planet 71 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: and and that's it. Because I think I've got so 72 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: precious about it, but like I couldn't. I can't screw up. 73 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: I have to do this right. And I don't know. No, 74 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: I mean that is good advice. And I think the 75 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: older I get, the I am finally at the point 76 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: where I despise it so much that then I can 77 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: kind of not care about it in that way. So 78 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: it's it's less like it's less pressure going in, right, 79 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: and I can coast coming out a little bit. Ye, 80 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: Or it's just now when you when you start out 81 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: trying to be exactly what you think that they want 82 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: you to be was exhausted for me. Yes, no, I 83 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: know it is and and it's so it's so different, right, 84 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: and you you have an impression of who you are. 85 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know who you are, but everybody, 86 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: everybody is something different depending on what the circumstances is. 87 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: The circumstances are I think that would be English. Um, 88 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: and and you have like there's like such a decided 89 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: difference between like morning show and late and and you go, well, 90 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: that's not really me, but like what how do you 91 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: tap into that version? Now? I know, I hear you. 92 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: I hear you. I could tell you some stories. Yeah, 93 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: it's it's brutal. Um. Well, good luck with that. I 94 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: hope this is not so painful with me today again, 95 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: this is this is a good part of the day. 96 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: This is a good part of the day. Okay, good, 97 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: Well that makes me feel better. Um, I want to 98 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: go back. Um do they call it the mini Apple? 99 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's true. You were born 100 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis? I lived there? Did you know this about me? 101 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: The Minnie Apple? I lived there? No? Did you do 102 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: theater there? I did? Well? Were you did you do 103 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: theater with? Um? No, I'm forgetting his name. I can't 104 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: forget his name. He played my dad increased. Um, oh, 105 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: your dad in Crazy Stupid Love. John Carroll Lynch, John 106 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Carol Lynch, John Carroll Lynch and I have not surprisingly 107 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: been up for some of the same roles. So, yes, 108 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: I know John. I know John well, though to be fair, 109 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: he is significantly older than me. Let's be clear about 110 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: umificantly older than me, that we both looked timeless. Um, yes, 111 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: I know I know John. Um. You so you grew 112 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: up in Minneapolis, but you were not participating in the 113 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: theater scene at this point. My understanding is you were 114 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: a skater. I was a figure skater. Yeah, that is 115 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: incredible because in Minnesota you you learn how to tie 116 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: skates before you learn how to walk. That is true, 117 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: which may which is why I didn't get along so 118 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: well in Minneapolis. I was not. I was not a skater. 119 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: Now were you one of the did you go? Did 120 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: you learn like skating on the lay? Um? We skated 121 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: in the backyard. We skated in the backyard and my 122 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: mom would freeze down the you know, put water and 123 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: freeze down there at the pavement and we'd ruin our skates. 124 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: But we have videos of of us skating in our yard, 125 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: which is just obscene to me. And I actually I 126 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: don't think I ever skated on a lake, which is 127 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: really sad. But I guess if you're serious, that might 128 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: be dangerous, Like if you're a serious skater, like bad 129 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: things could happen right on a lake, you would think, 130 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: although in your backyard you would think bad things could 131 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: happen too. This is true. Although you know have in 132 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: what is it in Norway where they the river freezes 133 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: over and then people just like commute to work on 134 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: ice skates and just go down the river. I have 135 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: this fantasy of doing that someday. That would be Yes, 136 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: that would be great, and I do you know, I 137 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: don't know if you know this, we'll talk about crazy 138 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: stupid love. But your favorite co star in mind, Steve Carroll. 139 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: You know he's a skater too, and his daughter was 140 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: taking lessons um at the time. That's what I remember. 141 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: He does hockey, right, he does hockey. He doesn't do 142 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: figure skating. To be clear, hockey is a lot easier. 143 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: That sounds like the gauntlet has been thrown. Are you 144 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: still skating? You know? I stopped probably around twenty two, 145 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: I think I did. I did a benefit show around 146 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: and I do skate sometimes. I don't know how I 147 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: did some of the things I did, like getting up 148 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: and down from a chair already is that's you know, 149 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: that's that's something getting like squatting with one leg sticking 150 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: out and then standing again. Forget about it. I for 151 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: the life of me, I don't know how I did it. 152 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: How anyone doesn't know. Well, I don't know how it's 153 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: done either, clearly. But he still like plays in the league, Steve. 154 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: He's still like skates around. Yeah, but again I guess 155 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: that's easier. Yeah. Actually I thought about going into going 156 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: into hockey because it's I've never really done a team sport, 157 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: and um, there's a lot of fun to be had 158 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: in leagues. I don't think that I could make that. 159 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: I'd have to do it in figure skates though, because 160 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: without a topic, I don't know, it's like skating on 161 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: butter knives. You couldn't do it. No, probably not, but 162 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, but it's easier. It's easier. Did you do 163 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: could you do the jumps, like the turns, the triple 164 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: sal cows, double sal cows? I'm saying that word right, 165 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: you are? Uh? Could I do them? Or did I 166 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: do them? He's a two different things. I could you them, 167 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: and I did. Um, I wasn't good at them. I 168 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: was really bad. And I was very tall. Um, I'm 169 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm just shive five ten and yeah, and I hit 170 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: that growth spurt in high school and I realized, like 171 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: everyone I was competing against is like gymnasts five two. 172 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: And I'd come on the ice and just look like 173 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: George the Jungle, swinging in divines and the walls and 174 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: just back and forth, and I'd fall and everyone we 175 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: like timber and I just slide across the ice and 176 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: take out children, and um, I got to be a hazard. 177 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: They made me wear an orange vest when I skated. 178 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, because you were so tall. Uh No, we 179 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: did actually have to wear vest sometimes, but not not 180 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: necessarily for that, not that they told me outright, Okay, 181 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: but you, let's be clear to anyone listening, you were 182 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: very serious about this. You moved to Sacramento, I'm told, 183 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: like an age a eat and you lived for a 184 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: time with your skating coach. Is that is that right, 185 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: so that you could train as much as possible. Yeah, 186 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: And I mean I went into home schooling, and for 187 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: various reasons. I bullies are a thing, and it was tricky, 188 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: and so I had skating where it's I mean, honestly, 189 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: figure skaters are very much performers. It's kind of like 190 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: a circus. Especially show skating. There's not a whole lot 191 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: of difference behind stage at a skating show and a theater. 192 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: It's just as chaotic, and I think that's probably where 193 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I fell in love with it. But um, because ice 194 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: drinks are so far and few between in um Sacramento, 195 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: I had to live with my coach or my my 196 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: mother would be driving for like hours, four hours a 197 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: day at some point she did to get me to 198 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: different rinks for different lessons and all the things that 199 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: go into it. Less my parents hearts for doing that. Um. Yeah, yeah, 200 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: it was intense. You you mentioned before you didn't you've 201 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: never done team sports. Did you feel like there was 202 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: a sense of community though there, even though it was 203 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: individualized like before the show or was it? Was it 204 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: very solo? I didn't do show skating really until later, 205 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: and I think that was my favorite part of it growing. 206 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: I mean, as I for the majority of my skating 207 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: career was solo, and it's it's really terrifying. I was 208 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: talking to someone today about it who their child wasn't skating, 209 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: And now that I recalled this conversation, I realized maybe 210 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said this um to them. I was like, yeah, no, 211 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: skating is great. I think I've been maybe scarred a 212 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: little bit by being like shoved on the ice in 213 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: a spotlight at you know, nine, and then just falling 214 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: all over of the ice and then being judged for 215 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: it over and over and over. You're alone and you 216 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: can't get off the ice, and it just and I 217 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: always felt I was not a performer when it came 218 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: to the athleticism of it. It was very artistic and 219 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: I had nice lines, but I mean my coach would 220 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: just like walk off, walk at, walk away from the boards, 221 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and I would sit there and end the program and 222 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: just be like, I'm gonna get a talking to. Yeah, 223 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: you just like failed over and over and over in 224 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: the public eye, and I think that's what acting is. Yeah, No, 225 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: there is. There's a lot of similarities. And but let 226 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: me be clear. You were a two time regional champion 227 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: and you competed in four synchronized skating championships. This it 228 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: sounds like you may have been falling a lot, but 229 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: you also had a lot of success. You mentioned before 230 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: you hit a grossbert and my understanding is that's sixteen 231 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: you decided to retire. Is that is that? Why did 232 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: you just get too tall physically for it? Or well? 233 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: I knew that I would have loved to go into 234 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: show skating. Um, a lot of my friends have been 235 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: in Disney on ice and holiday holiday and ice in 236 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: Europe like and yes, and it's I mean, the life 237 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: is fascinating to me. But I didn't think I would 238 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: be able to cut it for that long. And so 239 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: I also kind of got obsessed with filmmaking at that 240 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: time and realized, Okay, I can continue to focus on skating, 241 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: but what am I gonna do. I'm not going to 242 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: make it to the Olympics. I'm not. I just am not, 243 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: and I don't think I want to figure out where 244 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: else I go in this sport. So I became obsessed 245 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: with filmmaking and I kind of slowly transitioned into into that. 246 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: You started a film club in high school, Yeah, so 247 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: you were really into it. What was it about film? 248 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: Why did you love it or what? What started your 249 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: obsession with it? I think I was always found with 250 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: a camera in my hands, like a video camera in 251 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: my hands. And I think I know it's because social 252 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: skills are not my strong point. Um too. You know, 253 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: I was in high school before social media, and um, 254 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't normal to be filmed exactly. So I would 255 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: walk around with my video camera and I was a 256 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: student body officer again, like I really kind of placed 257 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: myself outside. You know, students are interacting, um, but with 258 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: a camera, everyone wanted to be on camera. And I 259 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: was allowed in these circles that I never was allowed 260 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: in before, and people wanted wanted me to be around them. 261 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: They wanted to be filmed. Um. They liked the little 262 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: like movies that I put together for assemblies, and it 263 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: kind of it gave me. It gave me an inn 264 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: and it gave me a shield and I could. I mean, 265 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: I I love looking through lens. There's to me, there's 266 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: nothing like it. I feel like the world just takes 267 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: on a different color, in a different shape, and I 268 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: see things in slow motion and it's I love catching 269 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: someone laughing or just those little moments. And um, my 270 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: friends probably didn't know that that's what I was looking at, 271 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: mind you. Um, but it really really gave me a 272 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: sense of belonging and purpose where I think I really 273 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: struggled to have that outside of it. It's so interesting 274 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: to me. And just hearing you talk right there, it 275 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: occurs to me. You know, you're someone who has a 276 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: difficult time in social settings, and you know, if I 277 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: distill that down, it's like, why, well, it's it can 278 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: be very chaotic. There's lots going on, there's different people 279 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: who want different things from you, etcetera, etcetera. But it's 280 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: it occurs to me that with a lens you can 281 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: frame exactly what you want to frame, and you can 282 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: examine and look at exactly what you choose to look 283 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: at and interact with, which I think for someone who 284 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: has a difficult time in in chaotic social situations, that 285 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: must be very freeing, right Is that was that part 286 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: of it? Oh? Yes, yeah, absolutely. I mean even red 287 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: carpets today you can see me usually carrying a camera 288 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: and if I get really nervous, I'll take a picture 289 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: of you know, people taking pictures, and I use it 290 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: a lot. And yeah and and and no one, I 291 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: don't bug people like I don't. I'm not self conscious 292 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: behind a camera. I know I know my camera and 293 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: that's I'm confident where talking or walking or moving in general. 294 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm always trying to I'm very aware of 295 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: my movements in my face and things and behind a 296 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: camera just to do that and I'm sure of myself. 297 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: You wanted to go to film school? Yeah, is that right? 298 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: So the story I hear is you got into USC, 299 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: and you are having a party congratulating you for getting 300 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: into USC, and then what you found out that there 301 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: was like an issue with the acceptance. What what happened? Yeah? 302 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: And my sister was applying for law school at the time. 303 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: She had gotten into UC, the USC, the law school, 304 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: she got in everywhere. Um, And I had a letter 305 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: from the dean of the film school because I had 306 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: taken summer courses there and I was very excited and 307 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: I only applied to film schools. I was very sure 308 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: that's what I was doing. And I got a letter 309 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: about a week and a half letter I called. I 310 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: got a call a week and a half later because 311 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: we were waiting for, you know, the packet to arrive 312 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: and stuff. And there have been a mistake. It happens 313 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: sometimes they released because the schools roll out their acceptances 314 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: at different times sometimes. And I was an early applicant. 315 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: They hadn't gone. I mean something ires crossed and my 316 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: S A T scores in the math section. We're not 317 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: I hear they're they're not having S A T s 318 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: anymore or putting a lot less emphasis on it, which, um, 319 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: I'm very jealous of because out of all the schools 320 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: that I applied to, I didn't get into a single college. 321 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: And I had a very good d p A. And 322 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: it was traumatizing. And I remember hugging my dad and 323 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: be like, you know, I'm so sorry I didn't get 324 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: into college. My family is very, very academically driven, and 325 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: I remember my dad hugging me and just going to 326 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: prove them wrong. I don't know what that means. Uh really, 327 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: but you know it's not It's not the end all 328 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: be all, I'm telling myself still fifteen years later. Obviously 329 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: for you it wasn't. But you decided to move to 330 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: l A anyway, why you just want you wanted to 331 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: be there. Yeah. And I had friends that were in 332 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: film that we're going to USC and we're going to 333 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: other schools. Um, and I knew I still wanted to 334 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: be a filmmaker. There was no plan B. I mean, 335 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: this was my life and I moved down and I 336 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: was going to finish my g S at Santa Monica 337 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: Community College, and um, I went to Marymount College and 338 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: then I was going to transfer, but I was on 339 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: an academic scholarship and I didn't finish my classes. I 340 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: lost my scholarship. Um, and I needed money and I 341 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: never went back, and then I didn't have time to 342 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: go back. Right, You started getting approached by modeling recruiters. Yeah, 343 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: Now what does that mean? Are you putting your photo 344 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: out there or people are stopping you on the street. Now, 345 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: I heard the MySpace story. We're going to talk about 346 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: that in a second, but like, how how does that happen? 347 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: No one's ever approached me. A modeling recruiter has never 348 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: reached out to me, So tell me how how does 349 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: this happen? Um at malls. At malls, they just come 350 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: up to you. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if 351 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: it's as common nowadays. Actually I'm sure it is. But 352 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: mostly through it was. It was a lot through like 353 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: my space and things when we were putting it, you know, 354 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: and everything was open to people, which is really terrifying 355 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: to think of now that now that we know so 356 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: much about it. But I would get Um, someone from 357 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: Top Model recruited me through that, But yet happen't malls 358 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: and um, and they're saying they're saying, like, you have 359 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: a good look, you should be a model, call me 360 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: or come here. Now? Were these sketchy people ever? Or 361 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: was this like legit? This is like what legit people did? Um? 362 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: People legit did this, and I think it was you 363 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: know I they were doing it in fuls of my 364 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: where I was living. Um, and I I'm not exactly 365 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: sure of how legit that was. But I did some 366 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: local things in Sacramento and it seemed fun and I 367 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: had such low confidence, had such low com I mean 368 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: that in a way, even though it did not give 369 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: me confidence at all. Um, I was really trying to 370 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: find some sort of acceptance or coolness. I mean, this 371 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: is someone again and who like lived behind the camera 372 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: because I couldn't say hi to people right now, I 373 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: was on my Space. I don't know if you've heard 374 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: this story. The office was well, we were almost canceled 375 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: very early on, and so as a way to try 376 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: to drive audience, several of us at the time, it 377 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: was my Space, right, So this is before Twitter or 378 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: Facebook or anything else. We were like, what do people 379 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: in offices do? Well, they're on this thing called my space. 380 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: And so as our characters, we got onto my space 381 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: and started communicating with people as though we were working 382 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: in off So that's my experience. Kevin Malone was on 383 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: my space. I was never on my spit. Brian was 384 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: never on my space, but Kevin Malone was and wrote 385 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: blogs in character about the people that were around me. 386 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: Again as a very early way to try to attract 387 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: interested in the show from early Gerrilla advertisement. That's amazing. 388 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: This was early. Yes, this was us or we thought 389 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: we were going to be canceled like we were. So 390 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: there were four or five of us. Bj Novak included, 391 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: he was one of the early adopters of that too, 392 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: And yes, so we so we did that. I you know, 393 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't even remember a lot of function Occasionally someone 394 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: will come up to me and say we used to 395 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: message on my space or something like this, and I'm like, Okay, 396 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: I don't even remember how that functionality worked. It's been 397 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: so long. But so you're on there, are you posting 398 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: pictures in terms of trying to get work, or you're 399 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: just on You're just on my space? You know, enjoying 400 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: because it was mostly music. I think that was like 401 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: it's core focus. And then people would see pictures and 402 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: start messaging you. Yeah, I mean I was that was 403 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: it was a pretty normal thing to be on in 404 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: uh in high school that was like, you know, my 405 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: Space was still just college only. Um okay, So I 406 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: think that was the That was the early days of 407 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of like an Instagram nowadays in a way a 408 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: lot less, a lot less. But yeah, so I think 409 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: I like all my friends were on my Space and 410 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: stuff and no, no, not not posting to find anything, right, 411 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: you were just there. And so someone from America's Next 412 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: Top Model approaches you about coming on the show. Now, 413 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: do you have modeling experience at this point through these 414 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: other recruiters and stuff, or are aware that you're a model? Uh? Yes? 415 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: And I mean that's such a broad term too. It's 416 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: but I did some like really little things around Sacramento, 417 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: and no, they they hadn't and taught more like reality 418 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: television hadn't fully become what it is, and it still 419 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: had this edge of oh cool, Like someone else from 420 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: my school was on Top Model and it seemed just 421 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: really really cool. And I went and I auditioned and 422 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: I didn't get in. And then like six months later, 423 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: seven months later, the same woman contacted again and asked, UM, 424 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: asked I would come back in and I yeah, and 425 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: then I got on the show. And so at that 426 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: point it was cool. It was it was cool. I 427 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: had some friends that were actually disappointed, Like some of 428 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: my film friends were not okay with it. They're just like, 429 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: that's not um. My parents were really scared. I was excited. 430 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: I was really excited. Was it a positive experience? Yes, yes, 431 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: I think it was. Um. So it's what's interesting is 432 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: you have to take a lot of tests, right, You 433 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: have to take a lot of personality tests. You have 434 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: to take a lot of like the intelligent tests that 435 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: like it just a bunch of tests, and you have 436 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: to sit down with a psychiatrist or therapist and they 437 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: go over your answers and try to get what kind 438 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: of person you are. And early on in the elimination process, 439 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: one of the producers came in and kind of they 440 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: were like thirty of us left and said, you know 441 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: this is this is television. We need you guys to 442 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: start talking about each other. You know that you guys 443 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: are all being polite and everything and too afraid, don't 444 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: want to say anything bad, but we need you guys 445 00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: to be more honest. We want people to watch, and 446 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: and they were very honest about it, like, um, I 447 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: went back to my hotel room and a panic attack, 448 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: and I went and found the producer and they brought 449 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: me in and I was like, look, I know, I 450 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: know what you just said. I can't I don't think 451 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: like that. I can't say those things because they're not 452 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: in my head, Like I don't process information like that, 453 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: and they don't process in like individual interactions like that. 454 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: And she said, you know, I know, and you don't 455 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: have to because we've talked about it with the doctors 456 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: and you. That is clear and lines up with who 457 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: you are, so you shouldn't feel pressure to do so. 458 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: And I didn't, And in that way, I think I 459 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: one got too. I had the fortune of avoiding maybe 460 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: some strange editing moves or specific editing things, and and 461 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: I knew my my role. I was the peace loving hip. 462 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: I wore peace sign the entire time and that was 463 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: kind of don't you wish that your nineteen year old 464 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: self was recorded doing things for the world to see? Yeah, 465 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: do you think the show gave you any extra confidence? No, no, 466 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm a performance level. No you know actually someone um, 467 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: one of the judges, was like, you should be an actor, 468 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: and I had ahead, I had, I had the best 469 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: cover cover girl commercial. And then I was voted off 470 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: later for not being able to speak Dutch. Not not 471 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: that I've had like twenty years of bitterness almost but no, 472 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: not at all, Um, And that was that was that 473 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: was nice to hear kind of point in that direct? 474 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: Did you want to be an actress? At that point? 475 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: I did theater in high school and I loved performing 476 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: because it was similar in a way to being behind 477 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: the camera, at least when it came to not being 478 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: able to interact, but being so I could live as 479 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: someone else in a lot of a lot of my 480 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: own internal turmoil would calm down and quiet while I 481 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: was playing someone else. I played a sneezing tree, and Um, 482 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: I played crow. I played one of the Indians in 483 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: uh I say this Peter Pan the musical nowadays, I 484 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: don't even know how that would fly in high school, 485 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: but I you said, fly by the way in Peter Pan. Anyway, 486 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: keep going? That was that was nice? Um, So clearly 487 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: I mean I figured I'd have a great path in 488 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: front of me. Um, how can you not with sneezing 489 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: Tree number three. But in in college before Top Model, 490 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: I actually did. I was in theater and that theater 491 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: director loved my work like I did a model, like 492 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: I read a monologue of a book to audition. I mean, 493 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: we didn't really have a serious theater thing. It was 494 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: a two year college, so it was very small and 495 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: and he was really excited, and I was so baffled 496 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: because I had never gotten a lead at school. I'd 497 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: never gotten much of a speaking role. And I played 498 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: Billy Bibbett in the theater program. We went to a 499 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: theater called like a United States Theater competition, and then 500 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: I came back and I got the lead of the 501 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: of Picnic. And in the middle of that, about two 502 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: weeks before we opened, that's when I got the call 503 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: that I would be going to the show and I 504 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: had I had to. I had to train someone else 505 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: very quickly, and I think, thank God, she was amazing, 506 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: But I didn't realize I've devastated I would be, and 507 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: how much I loved it. So that was there, planted 508 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: from right before Top Model, and an experience that I 509 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: had not understood that I would love so much and 510 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: feel welcomed to right when you left Top Model, were 511 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: you on that path to try to begin auditioning and 512 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: get roles. I know you had a fairly big break 513 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: the role of hot Chick in The Green Hornet with 514 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: Seth Rogan. Yes. Yeah, although although my character got a name, 515 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: Oh what was the name, Anna Lee? It's but well honortly, 516 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 1: but Michelle Condrey couldn't say yes, which was my previous name. Um, 517 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: I never know how to say that, but it was 518 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: because Michelle uh Gonere, the director couldn't pronounce my name 519 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: on set, and he'd come up and go and uh 520 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: and and and Seth was like, it's Onnoly And they 521 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: thought that was funny. So in the movie they say 522 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: my name, they say, or I say, you know, it's 523 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: Anoly because Seth can't remember either, And they gave me 524 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: a title. And I felt so much better because my 525 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: family was not letting me live down. Hot Chick, Hot Chick, Okay, 526 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: all right, I apologize, No, no, it's it's a good 527 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: it turned out, really, I mean hot Chick. I can 528 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: think now you can thank yes. Did you feel like 529 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: that was was that your first break. So a break 530 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: in terms of film. Yeah. After Top Model, Um, I 531 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do and I lost my scholarship, 532 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: and I decided to put filmmaking on hold and see 533 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: what would happen. And my cousin was down here, down 534 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: in l who introduced me to an agent at Abrams 535 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: Agency and they decided to take me on commercially, not 536 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: theatrically at all. Um. Turns out I'm terrible at commercials. 537 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: My face just moves a lot, and the way that 538 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: I speak, I'm not a commercial individual. Turns out. Um. 539 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: But there was a show about models on the c W, 540 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: and because I had just gotten off the show, Abrams 541 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know you're a model, go ahead 542 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: and close. Before this Big Bang, Theory was doing a 543 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: episode where they broke into the Top Model house and 544 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: so I had auditioned for that with other girls from 545 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: Top Model and I got the speaking part um, and 546 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: so taffed hearted into SAG, which allowed me to then 547 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: audition for things. So I went up for this this 548 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: modeling show and I tested and I didn't know what 549 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: testing was, um. And it's a terrifying experience where you 550 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: do your scenes and new audition live in front of 551 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of people wearing suits, um, with grave expressions 552 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 1: on their face. Always it's terrifying. There's there's nobody, nobody. Yeah, 553 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: it's awful. It's awful. It is. But because of that 554 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: I was they were like, oh, well you act here, 555 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: we'll start sending you out on something. The first audition 556 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: that I went out for after was per Stephanie um 557 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: in uh Percy Jackson, and I wore I dressed up 558 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: as Persephone and I wore like this long black dress 559 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: and I had this makeup and everything, and I I 560 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: couldn't remember my lines and I was so nervous that 561 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: I started stuttering. And the casting woman was like, you 562 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: can you can hold the paper and I was like no, no, no, 563 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: I can't, No, I can't. And I got out of 564 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: that audition and just hysterically crying. It was so bad 565 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: and it was so bad. Um And so the Big 566 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: Bang theory came out and I got hot Chick on 567 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: Green Hornet. I think because I did some sort of 568 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: improv at the end and it came really fast and 569 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: it went really fast. And during that time I I 570 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: was in acting class and they gave me a scene 571 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: for crazy stupid love for Jessica. Yes, now I don't 572 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: understand this story, so help me out here. Why do 573 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: they have Why are they giving you scenes from something 574 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: that hasn't been shot, like I'm used to like either 575 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: a play or even a film that exists. Why are 576 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: you getting the sides for this movie that isn't out yet? 577 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: Can you explain this to I think I did. I 578 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: think I had a man like a brand new manager 579 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: at the time, not brand new. My first gave you side? Yeah, 580 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: who was? And I needed something for class and I 581 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: was like, is there anything I could work on? And 582 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: they sent and I really loved it. And my my 583 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: acting coach was like, you know, you shot audition for 584 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: this and they called and they didn't want me to audition. 585 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: They said I was too old. Um I was twenty um. 586 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: And it was really hard to get an audition for it. 587 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: But I had no pressure on me because I figured that, 588 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this is just a role that I really 589 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: love doing, and I don't have to try to be 590 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: what they're looking for since I'm not what they're looking for. 591 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: In general, I wish I could apply that to everything 592 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: I do. It's not always that easy to have that 593 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: kind of freedom going into a role. But yeah, and 594 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: so they eventually say yes and you go in and 595 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,959 Speaker 1: you you get the role of Jessica. Did you watch 596 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: The Office at that time? I hadn't, but my my 597 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: whole family had. Okay, so you don't know who's Steve 598 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: carrells or you know, peripherally, I didn't know who Steve 599 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: Carrell was or Julianne Moore or Ryan Gosling. I knew 600 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: who Kevin Bacon was, and that was My family was 601 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: just so excited that I was a few degrees from 602 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: the two degrees from Kevin Bacon. I remember when we 603 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: when my mom and I were googling these these these names, 604 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 1: being like, oh yeah, okay, I recognized them. Looking back, 605 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: it's just it's I can't believe that. Yeah, that was Yeah, 606 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: you were stored. That is crazy that you didn't know 607 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: any of those people. Did you think that took the 608 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: pressure off you? Do you think you would have felt 609 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: more pressure if you had known. I mean, at the time, 610 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: and I'm saying this, this is not like The Office 611 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: is the biggest show on television at this point, and 612 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: he has after forty year old virgin become like essentially 613 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: the biggest comedy star on the planet and and you 614 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: just don't you just don't know. I mean, that's got 615 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: to have helped you, right, I mean, I like, I 616 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: had no idea who Seth Rogan was, but I loved 617 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: Michelle Gondry's films, so like filmmakers, I could kind of 618 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, I was I was into and I think, yes, 619 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: I think it it was really everyone around me being 620 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: so anxious. That was the confusing factor. Honestly, at the 621 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: beginning of my career. I think I was very confused 622 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: as to what was happening most of the time, um, 623 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: and it just kept happening um, and I I was 624 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: just trying to take it all like it really wasn't. 625 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's confusing. I didn't mean to be an actor, 626 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,479 Speaker 1: and I don't want to say that lightly because I'm 627 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: very happy to be one now. But it was never 628 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: the plan. I was always going to be a filmmaker, 629 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: the director, writer, and I think as I began getting roles, 630 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: it took me like three films to finally on press 631 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: junket be like, I guess, yeah, I'm an actor, because 632 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: they'd say, like, your model turned actress was like one 633 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: I was not a model. That did not happen. You 634 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: can ask Ford about that for firing me instantly. And uh, 635 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: and no, I'm not an actor like you are in 636 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: a movie. Yeah, I don't know how, but now I'm 637 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: not an actor. That's fascinating you. You you once said 638 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: that Steve taught you more about how to be on 639 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: set than anybody you've ever worked with. What what do 640 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: you what do you mean by the Thames down? I 641 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: mean before that again, Like besides Big Bang Theory, which 642 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: was a very studio, very different grade, Hornet was the 643 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: only films that I'd ever been on student films, I 644 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: didn't know what a mark was. On the way to rehearsal. 645 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 1: I actually I remember asking a p A being like 646 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do in rehearsal? And they 647 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: looked at me and they were like, rehearse whatever that means. 648 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: And getting on set with on Crazy Stupid Love, I 649 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: learned everything. I mean one Steve would watch himself, so 650 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: we would do some takes and we'd go back and 651 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: I would watch our scenes, watch how he analyzed it, 652 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: how he would tweak things. And I think my skill 653 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: at that time, if you could call it, that was 654 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: observing someone else and working off of that because I 655 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: didn't have any ideas. Really, I again, I had no 656 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: idea what was happening, but I could react, and you know, 657 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: Steve was so giving and so kind I don't think, 658 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean, to this day, I think that's kind of 659 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: the gold standard for my experience in general. Looking back. 660 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: It was such an incredible set and group of people 661 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,720 Speaker 1: and so loving and warm that I really owe everything 662 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: going forward to that experience. It was very much acting 663 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: one on one. Well, I mean, as it said, as 664 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: it sounds like you know by now, I mean, how 665 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: incredibly lucky you were because and I say this with 666 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: all respect to most of the people that I've worked 667 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: with since it doesn't get any better than him. It 668 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: just doesn't. In terms of as a person to work with, 669 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,280 Speaker 1: as a professional on set, someone who's generous and giving 670 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: and always willing if you have something funny or better 671 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: to step back and allow that to go for I mean, 672 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: it just doesn't get any better. So, yeah, that's just 673 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: an incredible gift you were. And because I had never 674 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: i mean done comedy or or anything. Um, now I 675 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: realize what what a gift. Some of that experience was 676 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: learning for instance, to give and receive in comedy and 677 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: be open and listen to the other actor, I think 678 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: is something that is priceless to me, and I have 679 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: had other jobs where that has not been the case. 680 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that isn't the case for everyone. You know. 681 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: It made it a little It made it challenging to 682 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,919 Speaker 1: sometimes be like, there's a better there's a better way 683 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: to do this, there's a better way to interact. Like 684 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: if you listen to what I'm saying. I heard you 685 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: had you had a solo scene with Steve in a 686 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: car and you were you were having a rough time 687 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: right before that scene started shooting, and he told you 688 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,720 Speaker 1: a story or you guys started started talking about figure skating. 689 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,720 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, figure skating in space camp um. 690 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: And then I had a panic attack outside of the 691 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: car and the directors took me back into the trailer 692 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: and getting me a shot of whiskey. And because it 693 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: was the first it was like the first big scene 694 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: I was doing with Steve. I had never been on 695 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: a ride before, and it was just it was so purpouse. 696 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean, Steve was absolutely wonderful and 697 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:48,479 Speaker 1: kind and calming and Whiskey helped and we go through it. Yeah, 698 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: you moved to New York City or you were in 699 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: New York City a lot. You do a bunch of 700 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: other projects at this point, Hbos, hung Warm Bodies, Manhattan, 701 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: Love Story, Why Women Kill, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I do 702 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about and congratulate you on Vengeance, just out, 703 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: very very very popular, excellent movie with my other coworker 704 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: bj Novak. And now did you get an offer? Did you? 705 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: Did you audition for? I did audition? Um? I did 706 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: audition and I felt you know, you know when you 707 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: go into an audition and you're like, Okay, I feel 708 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: like I feel like this is gonna work out. Um. Yes, 709 00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: And it did and uh and it was quite a whirlwind. 710 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: It was around the pandemic I die, and it was 711 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: held to film I will have I have one story there. 712 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: We're filming out in the oil fields, uh, in New Mexico. 713 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,760 Speaker 1: And it was like it was really late and cold, 714 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 1: and I was in a dress with nothing like it 715 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: was like a sheet. It was like a thin dress. 716 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: And I'm on the ground in these oil fields which 717 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,800 Speaker 1: are fit. There's no ground. It's birds and thorns, all 718 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: it is is thorns and dry, itchy, painful stuff. And 719 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: they put the gurney down, um and line up the 720 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: shot and it would be fun because the gurney was there, 721 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: but then they've removed the gurney and it would happen 722 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: to be like on you know, hopefully. We tried to 723 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: kind of make a path. But one of the last 724 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: shots was a wide shot the camera. I couldn't even 725 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: see the camera right. It was like mile away. And 726 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: they put down the bourney and they brought up and 727 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean there, it's a tumbleweed. It is like a 728 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: three ft high bush of pointy, pointy sharp things. And 729 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: I sit there and I'm and I have to crawl 730 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: on my I'm dying, so I'm crawling. Um, not really 731 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: a spoiler. It's in the first like three minutes. I'm 732 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: crawling on my on my belly and my hands and knees, 733 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,240 Speaker 1: and I'm having a drug overdose. I'm like spitalling and everything, 734 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,879 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty bruised by this time. And BJ goes, 735 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,839 Speaker 1: what what what is it? Just right like there's a 736 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 1: lot of thorns right here. And he pauses and he goes, 737 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: there's thorns everywhere, like okay, my god, damn. And at 738 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: the end, and I mean I never, I never. I 739 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: think I might have told this to b J later, 740 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: But I got back to the hotel and I was 741 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: just bloody and I had an allergic reaction and I 742 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: just cut and laced all over and I put it 743 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 1: in a script that I was writing later, I put 744 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: a very similar scene. Good make him play storms everywhere, 745 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: storns everywhere and uh. And I worked with Jake Lacey. 746 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: I know when when is our turn a friend of 747 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: the family peacock. This is coming out eminently, yes here 748 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: right October six, It's coming out like almost immediately after 749 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: we finished talking. This is the true story of the 750 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: Broburg family. You played the wife of Jake Lacy. How 751 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: is Jake Um? Well, he plays a terrifying role in this, 752 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: which is a pit of children and people alike. Um. 753 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I mean, he's just he's so nice. 754 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: Jake is like one of the He's so nice and 755 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: he's just he's She was so great to work with 756 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 1: and so thoughtful. On set. I had a baby, which 757 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't think i'd have worked with before. Um, and 758 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 1: I every time the baby would just start hysterically crying 759 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,240 Speaker 1: like it was not. It started to not be funny 760 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: for me because the we had like twins one time 761 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: and they put the baby in my arm and it 762 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: would be fine. It would have been fine for like 763 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: forty five minutes setting up everything. People were passing around 764 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: the baby. The baby like barely touched my hands and 765 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: would break out into hysterics, and they bring the other 766 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: baby and the baby would be fine for about three 767 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,959 Speaker 1: minutes until it broke out into hysterics every single time. 768 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,720 Speaker 1: And Jake was just so kind during that and making 769 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: short like I was okay and that you know I 770 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,919 Speaker 1: could act and whatnot. Um, now he's he's wonderful. I'm 771 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 1: so excited for him for this show because man, what 772 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,360 Speaker 1: a performance. I'm so excited to see it. Obviously I 773 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: haven't yet it has it's not out, but this is 774 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: also produced by the real life mother and daughter who 775 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: who was kidnapped. Did you did you find yourself doing 776 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: a lot of research to the original stories or talking 777 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: to them about their experience going through it? How was that? 778 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean that was priceless. That was priceless to have 779 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: them there, and I think that it wouldn't have the 780 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 1: show would not have happened had we not had that 781 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,080 Speaker 1: support from them, truly, because you can't tell a story 782 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: this harrowing and do it justice and not have the 783 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: victims involved. And I'm sure you could, but we really 784 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,759 Speaker 1: thought it was important because she wants to tell her 785 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: story jan Um, since this is a story of a 786 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:55,280 Speaker 1: predator and grooming. He didn't only groom the little girl 787 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: and and her family, but also his own family, Gail 788 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: and his children. Really and when you're doing something that deep. 789 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,880 Speaker 1: I know for Jake it was really important too, because 790 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,840 Speaker 1: jan got on and was like, look, I've I have healed, 791 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 1: I have gone through this, I've come out the other side. 792 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm good. I want you to then feel free to 793 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,839 Speaker 1: take this where you need to take it and how 794 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: it was. And I think the important thing is like 795 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: how not only is the storage sponkers and it it's 796 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,520 Speaker 1: it just gets more and more bonker. She was abducted twice, Um, 797 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,520 Speaker 1: twice the same girl by the same person. And I 798 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,799 Speaker 1: think jan looks and was like, people look at my 799 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: parents and say, how could that have happened? And she 800 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: wants people to know that it very much is not 801 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: her parents that this happens, that grooming happens right under 802 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,640 Speaker 1: your nose, and that children and adults are like are susceptible, 803 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 1: and trying to get that out her, I'd out, yeah, 804 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 1: so I don't. I don't want to. I'm not asking 805 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: for any spoilers here. But you play the abductor played 806 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 1: by Jake Lacy, you play his wife. Are you a 807 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,760 Speaker 1: victim or you a perpetrator? So that's a really good question. 808 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,240 Speaker 1: The real, the real Gail Um chose not to sign 809 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: off on, you know, with her rights, didn't want to 810 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: be involved. And I totally understand and respect that. Um. 811 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,280 Speaker 1: I didn't even see a photo of her. I listened 812 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: to tape, and I got to read a lot of 813 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: letters and obviously speak with Jane and kind of form 814 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: the fictionalized version that I brought since I didn't have 815 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:46,720 Speaker 1: that first interaction. And the way that Gails comes across 816 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,920 Speaker 1: is especially on paper, is you just I can't imagine 817 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,320 Speaker 1: anyone not asking themselves how did she let this happen? 818 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 1: How did she let her husband? How did she protect 819 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,479 Speaker 1: her husband when this was happening? She must have known 820 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: and instead of looking at each scene and going okay, 821 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,560 Speaker 1: this is where she knew, this is where she was ignorant. Um. 822 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 1: I tried to take that completely out of it and 823 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 1: do it through one simplify it and go through one 824 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: filter of I'm not a parent, yeah, but um, my 825 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,239 Speaker 1: mother is a is a fierce mother, mama, mama bear. 826 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 1: And I thought about what she would do for her 827 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 1: girls and for me, and realizing like the depths that 828 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:49,240 Speaker 1: I believe she would go to protect me, protect them. 829 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 1: I use that as as like a template for Gail, 830 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 1: and every decision, everything that she did to me was 831 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: through love protecting her family because it's the seventies and 832 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: there are in a Mormon community and there is no divorce, 833 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: and she doesn't have a job, and she has four children, 834 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: and something like this coming out would not only ruin 835 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 1: her and her family. I mean, I think to Gail, 836 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 1: there was no option, and I really wanted to take 837 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: kind of that. I wanted that to play out at least, 838 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,400 Speaker 1: and people are going to make their own judgment either way. 839 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: But for me, I it was what would I do 840 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 1: to protect my family even though this horrific thing is happening. Um. Obviously, 841 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't think Gail wanted any of it to happen, 842 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: and I think she was probably pretty traumatized by it 843 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: as well. And things aren't black and white. Things are 844 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,280 Speaker 1: not black and white when when it comes to this stuff. Yeah, 845 00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,399 Speaker 1: I'm super super interested in it. I love Jake. I've 846 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,279 Speaker 1: seen all the trailers, and congratulations on that as well. 847 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,239 Speaker 1: And yeah, you're just going through the office capt one 848 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: by one, you're just picking everybody off. Eventually it will 849 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,880 Speaker 1: be my turn, and it will be my absolute pleasure. 850 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,400 Speaker 1: I find your story amazing and so unique and rare, 851 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 1: and you to be such an interesting, special person. I 852 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: wish you truly nothing but the best moving forward. Um, 853 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 1: is there any other projects you have? I heard rumor 854 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 1: of one. I don't know if we can discuss it 855 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,960 Speaker 1: or not. An adaptation of a podcast. Yes, it is 856 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: actually hopefully going to be out. It's a very popular podcast. 857 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 1: We'll see if they're they're in the middle of trying 858 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 1: to sell it. But that was that's with New Regency. 859 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm letting in my fiance, which I get married. Um 860 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: the two days after the show comes out, Oh, congratulations, congratulations, 861 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,040 Speaker 1: thank you, that's that's awesome. A friend two days after 862 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: a friend of the family premier. Yes, so you you've 863 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,960 Speaker 1: been on flights. I came I got in yesterday. I 864 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: fly back to l A on Friday. Then on Sunday 865 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 1: or Sunday night at midnight, I fly to Wisconsin and 866 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,959 Speaker 1: then back. So it's I I am going to feel 867 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 1: you on the flights. Well, congratulations to you on your 868 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 1: upcoming nuptials. Congratulations on the show. Do out later this week. 869 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you, and I'm so thankful that 870 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 1: you took some time to talk to me. It truly 871 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,920 Speaker 1: has been my pleasure. Likewise, honestly, it's it's an honor. 872 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Let's let's find something to work on together. 873 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,280 Speaker 1: That would be amazing. I would love to do that. Leo. 874 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:17,440 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Leo, thank you for stopping by 875 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 1: the podcast. Uh such a pleasure getting to know you. 876 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see which of the office cast 877 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 1: you work with next, hopefully it will be me And 878 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 1: to everyone out there listening, I will see you again, 879 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 1: same time, same place, next week. But until then, I 880 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,000 Speaker 1: hope you get out there and enjoy yourself. What a 881 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,960 Speaker 1: beautiful time of year is fall and a new episode 882 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:56,360 Speaker 1: will be falling next Tuesday. We'll see you soon. 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