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Speaker 1: The Podres and Cardinals meet for the first time this

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Speaker 1: year in a series that is very likely to have

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Speaker 1: implications for the nationally wild card race. We have you

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Speaker 1: covered here on a special Friar Territory Cardinal Territory Crossover edition.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Blazer, joined by the fabulous Katie Wu, Cardinals

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Speaker 1: beat writer for The Athletic and host of Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly fellow son Devil Katie forks up Always.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we were so in sync there. I

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Speaker 2: knew you were going to do that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have to got to always, Katie. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be an interesting series. The Potters are a team that

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Speaker 1: is fighting for a wild card spot. They've been kind

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Speaker 1: What are you going to be watching for this series

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Speaker 1: and how do you see this playing out?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: This is such a such a difficult series to kind

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Speaker 2: of predict. It's a four game series right ahead of

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Speaker 2: the trade deadline with the two teams where I think

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Speaker 2: the Padres are more inclined to buy this year. The

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Speaker 2: they should do. This was supposed to be a transitioneer

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Speaker 2: for Saint Louis. As I'm sure most baseball fans are aware.

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Speaker 2: They weren't necessarily supposed to compete this year, but they did,

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Speaker 2: for them, especially their rotations. So President Basball Operations John

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Speaker 2: Mozaeloc has said ahead of his this will be his

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Speaker 2: last season in this position for the Cardinals. Has said

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Speaker 2: he's willing to wait up to seventy two hours before

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Speaker 2: the trade deadline to fully decide if the Cardinals will

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Speaker 2: incrementally buy or soft sell. And the Padres very much

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Speaker 2: have the Cardinals' fate in their hands here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And on the Potter's side of things, A J.

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Speaker 1: that might even mean so the Potters have been playing

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Speaker 1: After that hot start, they were falling six seven, eight

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Speaker 2: Now, that's where I'm inclined to believe that they are.

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Speaker 2: And there are so many bubble teams this year, especially

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Speaker 2: The most likely path of this Cardinals team is that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why the series is going to be

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Speaker 1: And also the Potters will have to take a look

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Padres are an offense that does not

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Speaker 1: Just given the pitching style of the Cardinals, the hitting

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Speaker 1: Basically, the Cardinals took a page out of the Potter's book. Hey,

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Speaker 2: You know, the Cardinals in the early part of the

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals don't hit a lot of home runs. They

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. It just goes back to show

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Speaker 1: All right, Katie. Mike Scheltz, Potter's manager came up through

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's aggressive. I'm going to Starbucks Starbucks

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Speaker 2: drive through, and my phone will not stop bringing and

432
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 2: I was like, why is going on? And I pull

433
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 2: up my phone out of the console and I see

434
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,399
Speaker 2: a bunch of texts like did Mike Schult just get fired? Oh?

435
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 2: Pull out? I didn't get the Starbucks. I ordered, it

436
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 2: didn't get it pulled out of the drive through and

437
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 2: everyone and then by that point the news had been

438
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 2: public and it was just a shock all around. And

439
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 2: while the detail else behind that still are pretty murky

440
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,919
Speaker 2: and we don't know the full story, I will say

441
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,439
Speaker 2: the lack of clarity as to why Mike Shultz was fired,

442
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 2: especially because of the reasons you mentioned of him being

443
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 2: the you know, came up through the organization. He was

444
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: like a Cardinal's lifer. That has really led to I

445
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: think an unfair evaluation of Oliver marmal because Cardinals fans

446
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 2: had felt a certain way about Mike Shultz, who brought

447
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 2: them a ton of success, who came up and really

448
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,360
Speaker 2: oversaw the player development system before it started to crumble.

449
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: Because there have been a lack of clarity about why

450
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 2: exactly he was fired, it's given Oli Marble I think

451
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 2: not a very fair platform as well, because fans were

452
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 2: conditioned to be skeptical about fire. And then, of course

453
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: Ollie Marmel manages twenty twenty two, albur Pooles comes back

454
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: yondare Molina's last year, they make the playoffs, and then

455
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 2: it's just a complete fall from grace over the last

456
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: three years. So Cardinals fans are very much invested in

457
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: what Mike Schiltz is doing in San Diego because they

458
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 2: feel like they still haven't gotten the full story or

459
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 2: the full answer as to what went down here in

460
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 2: Saint Louis and his successor well, I person don't think

461
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 2: Alli marmal is done a bad job. I don't think

462
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: he's had very many rosters that would have led to success.

463
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: Every day, there's just kind of a general sense of

464
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: being turned off by him because whatever happened with Mike

465
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: schilt John Mosaelac and the Cardinals is not yet been

466
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: publicly made. It just kind of makes it all around

467
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: murky situation here.

468
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell you right now, Mike schilt still

469
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 1: bleeds Cardinal red to his core, still loves that franchise,

470
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: still loves that organization. Talks about all the great times

471
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Speaker 1: he had. I can't tell you how many times the

472
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: dugout after you know, official pregame availability he now us

473
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Speaker 1: talk about because I covered him when he was you know,

474
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: in the miners, you know, when he was coaching those

475
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: guys up through the miners, and it was talk about

476
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 1: all those guys he coached, his memories there and big

477
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: smile comes on his face. He really loved being a cardinal.

478
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 1: And there's no question that him being fired, you know,

479
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: it really hurt. He was very, very hurt by that.

480
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: I will say what he's done in San Diego, He's

481
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: done a fantastic job. And look, you know this, I

482
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: know this. Every fan base hates throne. Manager's inevitable, it's

483
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: going to happen. But when you take a step back,

484
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Speaker 1: Mike Shilt has done a lot of great things in

485
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Speaker 1: San Diego. He has completely changed the culture in a

486
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 1: positive way. And what I mean by that is before

487
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: he got there, the Padres had this bad habit of

488
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: sleepwalking through games, through seasons. You know, the twenty twenty

489
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: two season, they slept walked pretty much the whole season,

490
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: and then Bob Melvin yelled at them in September and

491
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: they woke up and went on a run. Fanal Cs

492
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: and the twenty twenty three team that had all this

493
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: star talent with Blake Snell and Josh Hater and Wonsto,

494
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: that was the most disinterested looking team you will ever

495
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: see on a baseball field. It was I mean, they

496
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: were sleepwalking through games. They got booed off the field,

497
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: after dropping series at home to teams like the Royals

498
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: and the Nationals. Since Mike shilt has come in, that

499
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: has all changed. He has changed the culture and the

500
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: identity of this team. This is an aggressive team that

501
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: plays hard, that applies relentless pressure. You never see this

502
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: team sleepwalking. It's little things. They are busting it down

503
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: the line. Guys like Manny Machado who are not known

504
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: for their hustle, they're hustling. There's a great attention to

505
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: detailed defensively situational awareness. They don't make mistakes, they don't

506
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: miss cut off men, they don't have ill advised throws.

507
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: Under Mike schilt they're a very fundamentally sound team, but

508
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 1: most importantly, just an aggressive, constantly engaged team. And I

509
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: do give him a lot of credit for that.

510
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: And that checks out because when you think about Mike

511
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: schultz background as someone who is so firmly rooted in

512
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: the Cardinals player development system, he lives and breathes fundamentals.

513
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 2: So one thing that we know about Mike Schiltz, two

514
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 2: things we know about Mike schild as a manager. He's

515
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 2: going to emphasize the heck on fundamentals and you're going

516
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: to see it on the field. He's also one hundred

517
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: percent a player's manager. He's going to do whatever he

518
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Speaker 2: can to make sure his players know that he has

519
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 2: their back, he's in their quarter, and he's going to

520
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: fight for him. That doesn't necessarily make him the most

521
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: popular guy outside of his own clubhouse, but that's not

522
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: his priority. His priority is his players. He's a player's

523
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 2: manager who stresses the fine details, the little things, and

524
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: that's what wins games. That's what made the Cardinals and

525
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 2: the Cardinals so impactful in the early twenty tens when

526
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: he was in their player development system, in the twenty eighteen,

527
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, even the weird twenty twenty COVID season, this

528
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: was a team that went out there and did not

529
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: make mistakes. Fundamentals, they were not missing a cutoff man.

530
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: They were going to be exactly where their charts told

531
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 2: them to be, regardless of hitter. They were going to

532
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: know exactly what they were just not going to make

533
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,239
Speaker 2: dumb mistakes. So I tune into Padres games every now

534
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: and then I see that exact same style of baseball,

535
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: and I see how his players respond to his leadership.

536
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and none of that is surprising because that's

537
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: who Mike Schildt is as a manager. If there's one

538
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: thing you can say about him, it's that he knows

539
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: his clubhouse and he.

540
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: Knows how to run it, no question about it. And

541
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: you talk about protecting his players, We've seen that a

542
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: few times with Fanda Tatis in New York after a bad, bad,

543
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: bad strike two call, then Tatist seventually struck out and

544
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: saw him come out of the dugout in New York

545
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: through the glasses, through the pen, through the scorecard. It

546
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: is one of the more memorable and entertainment injection ejections

547
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: I've seen, you know, against the Dodgers again, Tatisk hit

548
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: for the third time in nine day span by the Dodgers.

549
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Shilt came out and right away, you know, him and

550
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: Dave Roberts were going at each other a little bit.

551
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: So there's no question you protects his players from a

552
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: media perspective. Sometimes, you know, when a guy's really struggling,

553
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned, hey, like this guy's struggling. Sometimes I almost

554
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: a little defensive about it. So in that sense, it's

555
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: you know, not always the most fun. It's like, no,

556
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: the guy's actually hitting. You know, one ninety eight. Like

557
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: we can talk about.

558
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: It, it's fair to ask about it. But this is

559
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: to him being such a player's manager. He's regardless of

560
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: how it looks to anyone like outside of that clubhouse,

561
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: He's going to protect his players. So I can you know,

562
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: I covered him too, I understand.

563
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: No, no, I remember your first year on the beat,

564
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: and you know it's interesting. So you know, my experience

565
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: with shil was was from a national writer perspective, you know,

566
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: with Baseball America, and same with Alie Marmal just coming

567
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: in doing some features, coming to so I wasn't there

568
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: watching them every day, but just you know, kind of

569
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: parachuting in. It always stood out to me how different

570
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: they were. Shilt very much, you know, I know it's cliche,

571
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: but old school players manager, you know fundamentals like you know,

572
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: kind of had some you know, that Southern grit to him,

573
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: if you will a little bit. Where Ali Marmal, you know,

574
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years younger, you know more, kind of come

575
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: up through the analytics style in some ways. And it

576
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: always just struck me that there's one thing to fire

577
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: Mike schelt. I felt like they hired in a lot

578
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: of ways. His opposite and Olie Marmon in a lot

579
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: of ways. Would you say that's a fair assessment, and

580
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: just how have you kind of seen the difference between

581
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: the two.

582
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: There are definitely differences between the two, but both are

583
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: very very similar in their passion for player development. I mean,

584
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: Mike Schultz scouted Oli marmal and brought Allie into the organization,

585
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: and Ollie rose up the ranks. I think he was

586
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: twenty three years old when he started managing down in

587
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: short season. Vallved back when that was still a thing, yep.

588
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: And he came up just like Schild did through the

589
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: cardinal system. And at one point John Mosella thought that

590
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: Oli Marmle would be actually a scouting or a player

591
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: development director or a farm director instead of a manager,

592
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: because he, like Shild, was so impassioned about doing things

593
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: the right way and promoting the game. And that's why

594
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: it's been so frustrating for Alli as a manager of

595
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: this big league club, because the organization had gotten away

596
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: from that, and now he's managing players who don't know

597
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: how to take secondary leads, who don't know how to

598
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: hit their cutoffs, who don't understand the importance of sinking

599
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: up a pitch or knowing when a picture is giving

600
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: a tell or things like that, things that he would

601
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: have made sure and Shilt would have made sure happened

602
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: in the Cardinals minor league system. So those are the similarities.

603
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: The difference is is there? You know, I do think

604
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: Schiltz more of an old school guy and always much

605
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: more of a I mean, he's just turned thirty nine,

606
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: I believe was the youngest manager in baseball when he

607
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: was hired. He's had to learn a lot as he's

608
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: gone through it, where Shilt had kind of done all

609
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: that learning and growing under the radar in the minor leagues.

610
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: So I think there are obvious differences. I don't think

611
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: it's bad in either way. I've enjoyed working with both. Obviously,

612
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: only had Schilt for one year, but he was easy

613
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: to work with, professional as always Allie. It's been four

614
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 2: years now. They have a lot of ups, a lot

615
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: of downs. I can literally go into his office and

616
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: be like, what's that big dog? What do you got

617
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: to say? Where I would never do that with Mike

618
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: Schield obviously, So some similarities in terms of how they

619
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: were brought up through the Cardinals organization, different managerial styles,

620
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: but not totally vastly different.

621
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, again, it's just been interesting seeing

622
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: how everything has played out. Again, you know, Mike Schilt

623
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: is bleeding cardinal red, and you know there's definitely a

624
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: little extra when he goes back to face Saint Louis. Yeah,

625
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: you know he's going to say, hey, it's just another game.

626
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: You know, we're just trying to win ball games here.

627
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: But I promise you there's a little extra self for there.

628
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: It's not just a regular game. It means something. And

629
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: that's okay, give them the situation. I totally get it.

630
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: I totally understand absolutely.

631
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Speaker 1: All right, Katie, I want to dive into our DraftKings

632
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: player spotlight with you and look at some key players

633
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: for this series. All right, So, starting from the potter's perspective,

634
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: one player, I really want to highlight his Manny Machado.

635
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: As we all know, he's a veteran who has a

636
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: track record of always being a Hall of Fame talent,

637
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: but for a lot of his career he said and

638
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: did some things that did not endear himself to the

639
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: wider baseball world. And look, this isn't a narrative. These

640
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: are objective things that happen, you know, throwing the bat

641
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: at Fernando about at Baltimore, and people forget what preceded

642
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: that was Josh Donaldson had just tagged him on a

643
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: regular play and Manny flipped out, threw his helmet at

644
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: him and started a bench just clearing incident. You know,

645
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: you have the you know him clipping Hazus Aguilar in

646
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: the NLCS, which is one of the dirtiest plays you'll

647
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: ever see, his Johnny Hustle comments. And just frankly, the

648
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season with the Potters, his first year with

649
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: the Padres, he completely checked out the final month, just

650
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: completely and utterly checked out. We have seen him grow

651
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: into a more consistent leader recently twenty twenty and twenty

652
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: twenty two, he really became a leader. You know, twenty

653
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: twenty that wild Card series against the Cardinals, the COVID season,

654
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: I covered that when the Potters that series, he was

655
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: the first guy to the dugout, you know, holding up

656
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: a tenth fan banner, showing it to you the apartment

657
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: buildings out beyond peck O and center field. And he's

658
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: really grown as a leader, and I think this year

659
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: it's been really impressive. He is showing a level of

660
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: engagement and focus and yes, hustle and energy we have

661
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: never seen from him on a consistent basis. We would

662
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: see it in flashes. But I think what's been so

663
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: impressive is just he's grown into realizing, hey, leading by

664
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Speaker 1: example doesn't just mean posting. He always posted, he always played,

665
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: he always played hurt, but it's how you play day

666
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: in and day out over a long season, and he's

667
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Speaker 1: been the steadying force. I mentioned this Potters offense. They

668
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: were bottom five in baseball for about a two month stretch,

669
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Speaker 1: but he was the one guy consistently performing, keeping them afloat,

670
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: and now the rest of the team's starting to heat

671
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: back up. I think Manny Machada deserves a lot of

672
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Speaker 1: credit for what he's done for the Potters this entire season. Yes,

673
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Speaker 1: what he's done on the field, his production, but we

674
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Speaker 1: always knew he was capable of that. It's been more

675
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Speaker 1: about what he's done the example he's setting with that energy,

676
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Speaker 1: that focused, that hustle, which goes back to Mike schul

677
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Speaker 1: You know.

678
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Speaker 2: As someone who follows the Padres and Manny Machado like,

679
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: from an outside perspective, I think you're spot on I've

680
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: always enjoyed watching Manny Machado play because of the pure talent,

681
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: and over the last couple of years, I would totally

682
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: agree with you, again from a bird's eye view, that

683
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: he has grown into being a leader. And I think

684
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: it is so important to reiterate your favorite baseball player

685
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: might not be the best leader. I've had to go

686
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: over this a lot with different veterans with the Cardinals.

687
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: Just because your favorite baseball player can play at Hall

688
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: of Fame level third base, can hit the ball four

689
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: hundred feet on a consistent basis, doesn't mean he knows

690
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: how to lead. And sometimes players have to learn that

691
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: as they grow through the game, and many Machada is

692
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: not the twenty four year old you know, very electric

693
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: patching a player for the Baltimore Orioles. He is an

694
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: established veteran face of the game for the San Diego

695
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: Padres with a different kind of mentality on who's supposed

696
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: to be in his career. And I do think Mike

697
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: shuld has played into that. And this goes back to

698
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: shelbying a clubhouse and a player's manager. But also I

699
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: think some credit goes to Manny for growing up and

700
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: acknowledging Okay, how I was younger in my career. That's

701
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 2: not going to fly. And I need to learn how

702
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: to be a better leader, and that might not be

703
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: easy for me to do. It's easy for me to

704
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: go out there and be one of the best their

705
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: basement in the game. I'm going to make it look easy.

706
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to post like you said, I'm going to

707
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: play every single day. I'm going to be one of

708
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: the baseball's best players. But I need to be a

709
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: better teammate too. And I think over the last couple

710
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: of years, especially I think about twenty twenty two, he

711
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: has really shown that. And as the Padres you know,

712
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: start to be in the playoffs more consistently and starts

713
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: to be viewed as more of a legitimate, contending, consistent threat,

714
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: Manny Machada is right there. And how he carries himself

715
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: that's important because he's very much a base of this team.

716
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: You know, the Padres have a lot of stars, whether

717
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: it's Tatis, whether it's Jackson Merrill, whether it's you know,

718
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: Jay Cronaworth, go down the list, you darbish, anyone, but

719
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: no one is going to carry as much weight as

720
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Speaker 2: Manny Machado, So for him to recognize that and for

721
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: him to grow into that leadership role and try his

722
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: best to be comfortable with it. Again, from the long

723
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: distance view, I think that's really encouraging to see.

724
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Speaker 1: No question about it real quick. For you, Katie, who's

725
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: someone that you want to spotlight for this series? For

726
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals?

727
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: Ooh, well, if I knew Michael McGreevey was going to

728
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: start against them, just because again he grew up a

729
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: Padres fan love San Diego.

730
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Speaker 1: When I wrote him up out of both high school

731
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: and college that wrote his draft reports for b Yeah,

732
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: now he's definitely a so cow kid through and through.

733
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: Yes, he's also hilarious, but we don't know. The Cardinals

734
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: are not say yet set their rotation. One guy I'm

735
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: looking to highlight it's going to be Evon Herrera, mainly

736
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: because I think he's the only one worth watching offensively

737
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: right now. Good, but it's it's rare right now for

738
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: the Cardinals to have someone who comes up at the

739
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: plate and all of a sudden you're looking and you're watching,

740
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: and you're like, something could happen here. Herrera is heading

741
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: over four hundred with runners and scoring position this year. Again,

742
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: he had a calf strain so he missed a month

743
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: in April and a hamstring strain where he missed three

744
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: and a half weeks in June to early July. So

745
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: he hasn't always been available, but one healthy, he's an

746
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: impact bat for Saint Louis and he can change the lineup.

747
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: Don't believe me. Look at the Cardinals offensively when he's

748
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: not available, when he is in Aisle, it's not great.

749
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: So that's the guy I'm watching in this transition here.

750
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: As the Cardinals are looking to build around I think

751
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: the baseball world is starting to learn more and more

752
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: about who Brennan Donovan is, and I think it's safe

753
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: to say the Cardinals canon should build around him in

754
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 2: the future. But looking at von Herrera, what his position

755
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: is going to be long term, we don't know, but

756
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: we do know that that is real, that that plays,

757
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: and right now the Cardinals could really use it as

758
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: they try to scuffle and maybe stay above five hundred

759
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: in contention for the wild Card. Maybe not a lot

760
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: more than just Evon Herrera will dictate that, but right now,

761
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: if we're looking for competitive bat to watch a Seria,

762
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: that's going to be.

763
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Speaker 1: Herrera for me. There you go, Manny Machado and Yvon

764
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: Herrera the two key players to watch. That'll do it

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Speaker 1: All right, Katie, just as we wrap up here, final

796
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: thoughts on this series and what you'll be watching for most.

797
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: I know for me it's probably gonna be I just

798
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: want to see Mike Sheld. You know, we see that

799
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: that extra something come out during the series.

800
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Speaker 2: I love the Padre series. I started my career as

801
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Speaker 2: old friends come to bush shadumkey. I still keep in

804
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: contact with all the writers there. Of course, Kelly, you're

805
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: familiar with all of them, just a great group. But yeah,

806
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, for me, it's a little different because I

807
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: very much believe this series could make or break my season.

808
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to go from maybe covering a contender to

809
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: I say contender loosely trust me, to maybe looking at

810
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: a selling team, and that completely alters how you cover

811
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: a team for the rest of the season. So for me,

812
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: it's not just about the series, it's about what this

813
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: means for the rest of the season. We said it,

814
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: the Padres could very much take their cardinals fate in

815
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: their own hands and kind of dictate what's going to

816
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 2: happen before the trade deadline, and then we'll know exactly

817
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: that because the Cardinals go to Petco Park the day

818
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: after the trade deadline birth three game series, so products

819
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: will get to see exactly what they did shortly after

820
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: the deadline. But for me, it hinges so much on

821
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: the next two months, more than I think I'm ready

822
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: to realize at the moment.

823
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 1: Now from the Potter's perspective, again, just continuing to build

824
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: the case to add not just a little bit at

825
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: the deadline, but add aggressively at the deadline. If they

826
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Speaker 1: have a good series against the Cardinals, and again they

827
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: have not been great on the road or against teams

828
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Speaker 1: that are above five hundred, and the Cardinals have obviously

829
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: been above five hundred most of the year. Potter's at

830
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: home are very different teams than on the road. So

831
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: if they sure they can go into a tough place

832
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: to play as Saint Louis is, especially in July when

833
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: it's humid as all heck, and actually pull out a

834
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: series win they're against a team that has been above

835
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: five hundred over the course of the year, it will

836
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: just build the case that yes, this is a team

837
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: worth and vesting in, or as if they go in

838
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: and drop three four, the calculus changes a little bit.

839
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Speaker 1: So I do think while maybe it's not as dire

840
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: of a series as it is for the Cardinals, I

841
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: do think directionally it will help establish which way the

842
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: Potters should go. So in a way for both teams,

843
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: this is going to be a very very important series,

844
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we will see that play out on

845
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: the field. With the quality of baseball we see.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. And look, it's going to be

847
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: exciting either way, right because it's not just the games

848
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: that we're looking at. It's what it means for the

849
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Speaker 2: rest of the season. So a lot at stake over

850
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Speaker 2: this four game set APTPO Stadium.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, Katie, I think that will do it for

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Speaker 1: this special crossover crossover episode of Friar Territory and Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me today. It's great

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Speaker 1: talking ball with you as.

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Speaker 2: Always, You too, Kyle, and hey go soon else.

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Speaker 1: Always all right, everyone to spin another edition of Friar

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Speaker 1: Territory and Cardinal Territory go ahead and gives a review

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Speaker 1: on Apple, YouTube, Spotify, whatever platform you're watching and listening on.

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Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter, Follow Katie on Twitter. We will

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Speaker 1: both be covering games together when the Cardinals come to

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Speaker 1: San Diego to face the Padre so you can follow

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Speaker 1: us together at the same games day. Once again, thank

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Speaker 1: you again for watching and listening. Have a good one.