WEBVTT - Reality Bites with Bridget Todd 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.360 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.360 start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hey, Jamie, Hey, Caitlin, 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.840 my Sharona is playing Turn it Up and Let's dance. Caitlin, 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.040 did you know that My Sharona is a song about 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:32.520 an underage girl? I did not know that, like extremely underage, 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:38.000 like thirteen. Yikes. Well, well, welcome to the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.320 That was my That's one of my favorite bubbles to burst. 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.640 Not because but that was something I learned while I 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.839 was making Lolita podcast, because I was just making a 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.960 superlist of popular songs that are actually about exploiting young women. 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.720 And My Sharona is I mean, look, if you want 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.520 to pause the podcast and take a gander at the lyrics, 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.800 be my guest, but it is, uh, it is a 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.400 rough road. My my dad. That was one of my 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.440 dad's favorite songs. And I was like, Dad, you gotta 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.360 you gotta take a peep at these lyrics, and he 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:15.080 was like, oh my, oh my. Now look this is 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:19.440 just a sampling of one of the elements of culture 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.119 that maybe don't age very well. Welcome to the Bexel Cast. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:26.320 My name is Jamie Lofts and my name is Caitlin Durante. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.360 And this is a podcast where basically we take media 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.520 that you love and point out everything that's wrong with 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.960 it from an intersectional feminist lens. I think that's a 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.200 little harsh. We we take a look at it from 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.679 an intersexual fevtist lens. We're not a part of the 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.640 ruin everything culture. We take a look at things that 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.000 just happens sometimes as a byproduct of what we do, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.000 because a lot of things kind of just ruined themselves. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.840 I guess so is that fair to say anyway? Um So, 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.400 we used the Bechtel Test as a jumping off point 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.560 to initiate a larger conversation. And the Bechtel Test, of course, 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.800 is a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Becktel, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:11.560 sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test, originally conceived as a 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.040 just kind of one off joke in a comic by 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.600 Alison Becktel called Begs to Watch Out for Uh, and 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.160 has since been kind of repurposed as this media metric. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:25.520 There are many versions of it, the one that we 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.399 use requires that two people of a marginalized gender who 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.800 have names must speak to each other, and their conversation 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.880 has to be about something other than a man, and 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:41.280 ideally it's a narratively meaningful conversation. Oh yeah, oh yeah. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.280 And today we have a long time request with a 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:49.080 much beloved guest, so let's get to it. We're covering 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.280 reality bites directed by one bend Still are written by 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:57.959 one Helen child Dress Childress. Don't know, sure, don't know, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.680 and we'll never know. And that's on in hernalized misogynt 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:07.040 we know how to pronounce Ben Stiller's name makes you think, okay, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:12.520 uh so look at her wonderful returning guests in here. Indeed, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.600 she is the host of the podcast There Are No 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.880 Girls on the Internet. She's the host of the new 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.160 podcast Internet Hate Machine on cool Zone Media. Check it out. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.400 And do you remember her from our episode on Eve's 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:28.640 by You. It's Bridget Todd. I'm so excited to be here. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.079 Thank you for having me, Thank you for bringing us 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:36.000 reality bites. I'm very excited, too excited. Did did to 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.160 discuss us us us this movie? Um that you have 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.720 brought us? I feel like This movie is very often 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:48.120 held up as like this is the gen X movie, which, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.640 as many you know, and we can bitch all day 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.520 about jen X and we will, but I will say 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.280 it must suck as a generation to be told like 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.360 this is you when you like it or not. Like, 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.080 I don't think that millennials really have a movie that 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.080 is like made like this is your defining thing. I 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.800 think I would resent it on. I would just resent 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.200 it automatically. So to our gen X listeners, whether you 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.039 like this movie or or not, I think it's just 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.400 I feel like it's the only generation I know of 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.000 that is like, there's one movie about gen X and 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.560 it involves one of the most toxic relationships I've ever seen. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:34.960 Committed to film. Oh, brother, um that said, I'm excited 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.240 to discuss this movie. There were elements of it I 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:41.279 liked very much. So bridget to kick us off. What 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.000 is your history with reality bites? Oh, I have a 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.480 long history with this movie. That's why I suggested it. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.040 I loved it when I first saw it. I saw 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.240 it as a young person, maybe I saw it in 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.320 high school. I even had the soundtrack that I bought 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.440 from the Salvation Army, which the soundtracks, slaps sound it 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.719 really is. Yeah. I loved it, And I also think 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.400 it was a movie that when I was young in 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.400 the suburbs, I thought, when I'm an adult, this my 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.800 life is gonna be like this. It's gonna be cool, 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.680 creative young people hanging around in a group house, you know, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.960 smoking weed out of cans and quitting with each other. 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.360 It really presented a life that I found aspirational at 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:29.200 the time. And it's funny because watching it now, I'm like, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:34.200 thank God, that wasn't my eye. Yeah, not a great 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.480 fate as it turns out. Jamie. What is your relationship 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.480 in history with this movie? Um, I don't have much 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.520 of history with it. I had never seen it before. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.359 It never really never came across my desk as a youth. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.200 I have worked with one of the producers of this 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.400 movie before, Stacy Shure. She's really really awesome. So I'm 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.520 coming in a little bit biased here because I just 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:02.480 think that she's like championed so many movies that centerr 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.880 women and queer stories, and like she She's done a 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.560 lot of really really cool work. But I never actually 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.280 like sat with this movie before and watched it, and 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.560 honestly I was coming in thinking maybe I wouldn't like 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.640 it very much at all. They're definitely like I mean, 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.360 I think that this movie, like I didn't know much 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.240 about the history. I didn't know it was like written 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.559 by a young woman that is like very much pulling 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.919 from her own experience, which I think is really cool 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.680 and especially in would have been super rare. And then 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.240 just like I don't know. I mean, my main issue 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.320 with this movie, which I'm sure we'll be talking about, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:44.760 is it's like hyper focus on this shitty relationship that 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.560 I mean, and amongst other things. But it felt like 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.280 there were a lot of things that that this movie 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.920 was commenting on that even when characters sucked, they sucked 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.600 contextually in a way that felt like there's a lot 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.360 of satire and a lot of commentary on like why 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.800 people are making the choices they are, Like no characters 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:07.680 goats completely uncriticized by the movie except for like this 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:13.120 relationship that I just have Like oh um, But but 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:14.840 I'm very excited to talk about it. I feel like 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.720 there's a lot of it resonated more than I was 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.520 expecting it too. For me, Caitlin, what is your history 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.480 with reality bites? I Honestly, I am not sure if 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.080 I had seen it before, because there were parts that 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:35.120 were very familiar to me, the my Sharonas scene in particular. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.640 I that scene is really fun. It is. But what 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.400 I remember even more than them dancing to that song 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:47.960 was the line where they're like, Avian is naive spelled backwards. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:53.320 I don't know why Corny jed x line. Ever, why 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.640 did I remember that so much? I'm not sure. I 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.600 think there's a very real possibility that I had only 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.520 ever seen that seen probably from that movie Trivia Game. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.480 Seen it, Oh my god, And that's just why I 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.800 remember seeing it. That's the millennials true movie. Oh yeah, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.720 Oh you just a lot to memory for me of 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.240 how much I love seen it and I haven't played 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.720 it in years seen it kind of rules. Yeah, oh yeah, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.560 that's so much cultural osmosis. Um. Maybe that maybe I 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.000 had seen that scene that way too. Also, this is 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.960 like Janine Garofolo being I was like, that's the true 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.839 harbinger of of a gen x um classic. Is like 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:37.000 Jennine Garofolo in a supporting role. Yeah, we've done it. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.040 That's how you know. Um. But yeah, the rest of 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.120 the movie wasn't super familiar to me, so I think 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.960 I had actually seen the whole thing, and it was 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.760 just that scene in the gas station that I saw 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.959 and then thought I had seen the whole movie. I'm 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.640 not really sure. So, yeah, not super familiar with this movie. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.440 But but there's a lot to talk about there is 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.200 This is not the primary thing to talk about. But 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.640 I didn't know Steve Zon was in this movie, and 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.000 as a known Zon head, I was like, who, well, well, 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:12.439 look who we have here, Stevenson. I love Stevenson so much. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.760 The fact that anyone would say in a movie that 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.160 no one wants to have sex with Steve Zon, I'm like, 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.040 you're gonna want to check your notes on that one. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.560 I do love Steve Zon. Do you remember when he 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.560 played the cat Stewart a little? Of course. I remember 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.280 when he played Stewart Little. Yeah. He played Nathan Lane's 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.079 best friend and his only line was snow volume of 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:38.000 best friend. God, he's so delightful. It's such a delight 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.520 when he like, no one's ever sad to see Steve's on. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.240 He's what was your Is that your favorite Steve's on movie? 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:49.160 Stewart Little Yes. I'm trying to think of where I 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.920 first fell in love with steve 'son, it would have 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.640 been I remember this is I don't think where I 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.280 fell in love with him, But he was in a 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.560 Christen Early Christen Stewart movie called Speak, which is about 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:06.040 a very traumatic it's very traumatic, but Steve's On plays 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:12.240 the nice teacher of a middle schooler who experiences pretty 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.520 horrific abuse. And so Steve's On, You're like, oh, nice, 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.839 Mr He's just always Mr Nice. He's always Mr Nice? 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.760 Is Mr Nice? He cannot play a villain. Um, I've 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.520 accept in White Lotos, where he definitely does. Oh that's 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:31.040 I didn't finish that series. Um. I first saw him 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.079 in the movie joy Ride. What's that? It's basically a 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.000 remake of the movie Duel where a scary truck driver 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:46.080 terrorizes Steve's On, Paul Walker and Lely Sobieski And it's 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.959 pretty cool. What else is Stevenson is also and You've 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.560 Got Mail? I think maybe that's the last time I 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.640 got thrilled to see him on the show in a 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.400 movie I had. The Whites did not like. It's funny. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.880 I'm looking at his IMDb reality bites. Was only that 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.520 like the fourth movie he had ever been in he 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.959 was in an episode of All My Children, a movie, 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.000 a TV movie called First Love, Fatal Love, another movie 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.720 called Rain Without Thunder, an episode of a show called 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.120 South Beach, and then reality bites like that was his 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.760 This was like early Steve's On. This was his break, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.800 this big break. I read that because the casting process, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.040 for I mean, the production of this movie is just 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.920 like wild in general. But I read that Ethan Hawk 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.079 had just like done a play with Steve's on and 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.640 was like, he's cool for human and then Steve's on 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:35.160 being Mr nice Um was really enthusiastic about playing a 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.680 queer character who is like who comes out of the 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.400 closet and is loved and accepted for it because he's 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.000 Mr nice So the only movie I've ever seen him 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:48.760 being not nice in is um a perfect getaway. He's like, 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.120 I don't want to spoil it, but it's got I 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.360 think Mila Djovlovich maybe uh. And he's very much the villain, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.080 like not just like the villain like in White Lotus 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.400 where it's like, oh, he's rich and has a lot 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.720 of privilege, A villain villain like a bad guys. Good 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.440 for him. He's got range. I also remembering he's Mr 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.320 Nice And I don't know if anyone else was a 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.160 baby sitter and saw the Diary of a Wimpy Kid 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.280 movie series, but he's he's Mr Dad in that one, 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.120 and yeah, sure he makes some mistakes, but at the 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:26.520 end of the day, he's Mr Nice. Well, shall we 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:32.360 move on from Steve's on? The beginning of the ence 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.800 is in this movie this is a feminist movie podcast, 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.600 which you wouldn't have guessed from that conversation at Tirade 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.360 about Steve's on about how he's nice. Yeah, let's recap 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.080 the movie, shall we? Let's do it? Okay, So we 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:52.000 open on Lelna. That's Winona writer. She's giving a speech 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:56.600 at her college graduation, which effectively sets up the theme 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.000 of the movie, which is like, Hey, there are all 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.720 these problems in the world, but what do we do 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:07.000 about them? I don't know that. I like how every 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.280 generation will, especially now that like we're no longer the 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.640 youngest generation and we're growing crustier with each passing day. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.880 I do think it's like funny how that this is 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.800 the question of literally every generation. But everyone is like, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.280 but it was my idea. We're kind of the first 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.360 people to have this problem and it's like, wow, Dan 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.680 getting old is punishing. It was not our idea, and 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:35.400 we are also fumbling it. So amazing. Yeah, Okay, So 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.920 then we see video footage because Lelena is making a 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:43.400 documentary about her friends. Her friends are Troy Dyer. That's 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:48.760 Ethan hawk Hot mm hmmm. His character is despicable. His 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:54.280 character is horrible. Yeah, Vicky, that's Janine Garoffalo and Sammy 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:59.880 Steve's on of the Zones sence Hot. There's I just 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:05.120 I'm going to be annoying today. Um there was. I 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.480 was thinking of just like other very gen xy movies 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.040 and things in general, and I was thinking about Rent, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.400 which I feel like also goes in this category very much. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:21.560 Also features I think, a visibly terrible documentary about someone's friends. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.120 It was a very niceties thing to do to think 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.400 that you were. I mean, I guess it's like how 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.840 millennials and gen z use social media to be like 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.920 get ready with me, and it's like, God, everyone's so 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:36.280 fucking boring and you all have the same instincts exactly. Yeah, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.000 And I think that to document our lives and make 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:44.280 them public. I do think that Winona Writer's fake documentary 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:49.640 in Reality Bites seems more interesting than Anthony Rapp's fake 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:54.600 documentary in rent That's a professional opinion question. I mean 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:59.360 his documentary is just videoing his I mean, Lena is 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.520 like act them questions about like what's it like to 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.600 be worried about AIDS? What's it like to do this? 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.040 Like she's asking them their perspective the documentary. If I 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.440 haven't seen Rented a long time, so excuse me if 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.040 I'm misremembering, But if I recall correctly, he's just like 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.560 got a camera in his friend's faces and they're just 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.840 living their lives. Yeah, he's trying to do him more 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:24.640 Like I'm just like, is who's getting releases for these things? Logistically? 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.080 Like who's getting releases for this? Yeah? He was just 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.960 bringing his camera to like like support groups in a 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:36.040 way that you're like, this is illegal mark following this 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:41.280 person's anonymity or whatever. Yeah, she's anyway, Here's They both 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.680 probably would suck, But I think when known as this 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.680 is more interesting and it seems like at least everyone 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.640 is willingly participating. That's true time. Here's my hot and 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.920 potentially terrible take, is that the TV network in your 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:02.080 Face version of who are not think is like not 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.120 that bad? Totally agree, I'm so I would that. I 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.520 was going to totally say the same thing. I thank you, honestly, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.120 I truly so. I'm sure we'll get to this and 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:12.840 I maybe I'm jumping the gun. But the scene when 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.640 they show it, I was like, it just seems like 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.120 the bumper or the teaser, like you don't even what 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.520 was so bad about it they I truly don't get it, Okay, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.600 my As I was watching that, I was like, how 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.200 different is this from the trailer to reality bites? It's 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.680 pretty similar and very similar, but that's like I feel 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.760 like that's kind of like one of the bizarro like. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.440 I mean, I know the word irony is used really 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.040 heavily in this movie, but that's like kind of the 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.640 weird irony of this movie is like a movie about 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.680 selling out, but like you would have had to have 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.240 sold out in order for it to be made. It's 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.520 a studio movie, right. I don't know, Jamie, define irony. 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:55.120 You can't. It's undefinable. Literally, I was as she was 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.960 fumbling with that, I was like, oh, I would have 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.200 I would not have been able to do that, would 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.320 have sucked it up. I also think that what Ethan 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.520 hawks characters definition is like also not quite the right 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.000 definition of irony? Was this before or after the Atlantis 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:15.000 Morrissette song This exchangees I was like, could no one 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:21.120 in this generation correctly define that word? We don't know anyway. Okay, 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.359 So Lene is making this documentary about her friends. We 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:30.320 see footage of them talking. They're goofing around, they're speaking 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.320 on their lives and their future plans, and they all 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.800 seem kind of aimless and they they're not really sure 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.600 what to do or how to proceed. Then we cut 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.600 to Lelena having dinner with her parents. Her dad gives 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.639 her a gas card, which he says he'll pay the 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.760 bill on for a year. He also gives her his 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.520 old BMW. There's some debate about whether or not she 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.840 should take the BMW because she mentioned being more morally 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.359 opposed to BMW's in her graduation speech, but ultimately she 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:08.280 takes the car and loaded the privilege these kids have, 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.800 um I know. Yeah. So then Lena we see her 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.320 at her job as a I think production assistant on 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.640 a morning talk show for Frasier's dad. Oh my god, right, 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.280 second only the two times I gasped, No, three times 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:30.760 I gasped. First Steve's on reveal, second, Fraser's dad revel, 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:36.600 Third she chooses ethan Hawk reveal just just just. But 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:41.600 Frasier's dad absolutely killing in this movie. And his character 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.000 is a menal jerk he learned, just like in Frasier, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:51.879 except in Frasier it's complicated. I mean, he's he's like 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.199 a softie that we love, but he does run for 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.080 like an extreme like he doesn't even vote for like 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.439 an extremist candidate, and might have some and not so 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.360 great political positions. I would not because I think, isn't 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.879 he like a former cop? Like you? You're like, I 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:09.719 don't want to know how this guy votes, but I 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:14.560 do love the just the character setup of I love 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:19.840 my fancy sons, my fancy lad son, my I love 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.600 my weird fancy sons. You're like, well, someone's gotta a 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.000 little aside. I I only I watched Fraser for the 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.879 first time in The Pandemic and my partner loves the show, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.479 and I was like, oh, isn't it about a gruff 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.439 guy who has two sons who are British for some reason? 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.159 And he was like, no, they're not British, They're just fancy. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.400 I always, for whatever reason, I did assume they were British. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.480 I would say that Kelsey Grammar and David Hyde Piers 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.800 do sort of affect a like movie like Transatlantic accent 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.200 for their roles. It's not they don't sound like they're 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:58.680 from Seattle. They sound like Rose DeWitt Picater from Titanic. Yes, 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.480 they sound they sound like they're from a place that 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:08.440 never existed. But I mean, look, the Fraser reboot, goddamn 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.720 if I'm not going to watch it. They shut down 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.880 one of my favorite local bars to film, which is weird. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.760 That's a thing that's happening. A Fraser reboot. Oh yeah, 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:19.879 I don't know about this. There's going to be a 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.680 Fraser reboot. And they shut down this bar near me 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.399 called the Thirsty Crow, just like a fun but like 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.760 grimy little bar. I was like, what is Fraser going 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:33.280 to do there? Get killed? Like I don't know. Okay, 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:37.239 So so we see Lena at her job. Then she 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.760 gets into a minor car accident with this guy named 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.159 Michael played by Ben Stiller, and they meet via this 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.879 car accident and they kind of hit it off and 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.800 he asks her for a date. Meanwhile, Troy slash Ethan 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.399 Hawk has been fired from his newsstand job for eating 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.320 a Snickers bar, so he has to move into Lelena 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.240 and Vicki's apartment and he crashes on the couch for 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.320 a while. We also learn more about the dynamic between 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.280 Troy and Lelena, which is a bit contentious. It's a 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:13.720 bit will they or won't they? The friends are hanging out, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.680 we see more documentary footage Lelena and Vicky and Sammy 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:21.480 dance to my Sharona in the convenience store. Troy is like, 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.879 I'm too cool to dance. You're like, shut up. I 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:31.040 hate him. I can't stand Troy can't stand. He reminds 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.040 I'm discovering that a lot of nineties ethan Hot characters 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.440 are really deplorable. Because Before Sunrise is one of my 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:42.080 favorite movies. But I went back and rewatched that recently. 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.320 I was like, oh my god, his character is awful 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.679 in that movie. He gets a little more mature and 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.680 Before Sunset, but I still haven't seen it. I mean, 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.800 it's like there's I I'm it's it's so confusing. I 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:57.160 wish I could was anyone able to find like because 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.479 I read that this script was written like sevent dy times, 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.320 so it sounds like there was like studio notes on 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.439 notes on notes on notes. Um. So I'm just like 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.560 because it seems like the final script goes all the 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.960 way up to like, yeah, fuck this guy, but then 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.320 at the last second it's like, nah, he's great, he's great, 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.399 and you gotta marry him. And I was like, that 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.040 has to be a studio notes. Like I cannot conceive 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.200 of a world because it's like the movie goes all 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.200 the like she does the she does the right thing, 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:35.520 she bails. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah, So then Lelena goes on 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.399 her date with Michael Ak Ben Stiller. They make out, 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.600 which Troy sees and he gets upset about this and 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.920 he picks a fight with Lelena and she's like, if 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:46.800 you have a problem, just say it, and he's like, 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.200 I love you, and it seems like he's being sincere, 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.760 but it turns out he's just being an asshole, even 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.440 though it is clear that he is in love with her, 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:58.199 but he won't admit it. Anoying Can I Can I 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.000 ask a question there? Because that's something in rewatching this movie, 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.000 I was sort of like, what is this? And I 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:07.159 know people are complicated and I've certainly been there, what 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.080 is the vibe of like being in love with each other? 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:12.840 It's also in plan that they've hooked up drunkenly at 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.840 least once in the past, at least once. Like why 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:19.639 are they so against admitting it, talking about it, communicating 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.480 about it? Like I understand that in in the in 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.199 the universe of the film, it's supposed to be like 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.320 they can't admit it, you know, they don't want to 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.760 ruin the friendship. Why not, Like why it's communicating openly 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.800 about how you feel such a villain in the universe 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.840 of this film. I feel like my assumption was like 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:40.199 they're twenty two and extremely emotionally immature, Like that was 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.360 sort of mine. And like especially Troy, like I mean, 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.320 we can we'll talk about Lena and all the ways 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:50.000 where like she's very messy and a lot of regards, 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.679 especially with her own privilege, and like she's just like 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:58.280