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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver

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Speaker 1: All Right, it is a Monday, after a busy NFL weekend.

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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day.

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Speaker 3: Jamax.

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Speaker 1: We finally got some football, and the quarterbacks play Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow's plan. Over the course of the weekend, the tours

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Speaker 1: plan starters are playing. Matt Shafford didn't We knew that,

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Speaker 1: but Kamin Williams interestingly did not play.

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Speaker 3: And I want to get to that. Okay, justin Field

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Speaker 3: look good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So one hour from now, Colin Wright, Colin Ranck.

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Speaker 1: So what's interesting is Mike Sando. We'll have him on tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: His annual survey came out this morning. So Mike Sandal

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Speaker 1: has been doing this for a year it's kind of

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Speaker 1: the bible of what the league thinks that it's quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: He has fifty voters, so he has six GMS, six

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Speaker 1: assistant gms, six former gms, eight head coaches, five execs,

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Speaker 1: nineteen assistant coaches. So this is a wide array of

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Speaker 1: opinions upstairs below upstairs, people who have played against quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and so the tiers are pretty predictable.

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Speaker 3: I don't have any real squabbles.

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Speaker 1: Your Tier one is mahomes Borough, Allen, Lamar, Jackson, Stafford.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Tier two is Daniels, Herbert Gobb,

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Speaker 1: c J. Stroud, Jalen Hurts, Baker, Jack Jordan Love brock Perty.

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Speaker 1: I'd have tier three. They got bow knicks closer to

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Speaker 1: the middle than the top. I'd probably change that. But

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Speaker 1: here's what's interesting. Caleb Williams is bottom of Tier three,

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Speaker 1: but fifteen voters, about thirty percent of voters already knowing

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Speaker 1: what a mess the Bears were last year. That wasn't

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Speaker 1: Caleb's fault the coaching staff. Fifteen voters have Caleb in

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Speaker 1: tier four. Tier four, I'm not even putting on the screen.

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Speaker 1: It's old Russell Wilson, It's Daniel Jones, it's Spencer Rattler,

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Speaker 1: It's it's Joe Flacco. Thirty percent of the voters are yeah,

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Speaker 1: not gonna work that to alarm me. Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: There were a couple of quotes from coaches, and I've

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Speaker 1: said I'm rooting for Caleb. I'm now in Chicago a lot.

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Speaker 1: I want the football team to be good. Here's two

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Speaker 1: quote from coaches. One of them a defensive coordinator who said,

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Speaker 1: in terms of processing ability and getting the ball out

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Speaker 1: of his hands, he was the worst quarterback we played against.

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Speaker 1: He holds the ball forever. A head coach in the

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Speaker 1: NFL said his processing to me was alarming watching the

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Speaker 1: tape alarming. Also, before the game, a lot of quarterbacks played.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, played Mahomes, played Ben Johnson because they had

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Speaker 1: a scrimmage against Miami earlier in the week. Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: decided not to play them at all yesterday. And here

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Speaker 1: was Ben Johnson's reasoning.

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Speaker 4: There is no substitute for real life bullets. I get that.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, when you can accumulate seventy

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Speaker 4: plus reps in a day, that's pretty good. That goes

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Speaker 4: a long way in terms of were you want to

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Speaker 4: go with the connection with the quarterback and his pass catchers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of other quarterbacks in those inner

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Speaker 1: squad games, whatever you want to call him. They had

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Speaker 1: sixty seventy stamps too. Bryce Young played, Joe Burrow played,

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Speaker 1: Mahomes played, Spencer Ratler played, everybody but Tom Brady played

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Speaker 3: And he did not. Caleb didn't.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a fan, but there is a certain weight

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Speaker 1: to this quarterback situation. I said it when he got

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Speaker 1: drafted by Chicago, and it has now been reported by

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Speaker 1: me and Seth Wickersham. This was not their first choice.

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Speaker 1: This is a big, loud, aggressive media. It is a

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Speaker 1: poorly owned franchise with a GM that got an extension

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Speaker 1: based basically on one big tray that got him DJ

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I look at it and I think to myself, was

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson actually, could I suggest this sort of protecting

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Speaker 1: Caleb from the court of public opinion, that it's kind

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Speaker 3: Let Miami in two.

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Speaker 1: I get all the speculation in the heat, We're we're

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Speaker 1: watch this thing. It's not like he couldn't use the snaps.

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Speaker 1: When tech companies delay the release, okay, it's usually because,

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Speaker 1: like you're still in the beta stage, right, you're just

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Speaker 1: We just we're just gonna not release our product yet,

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Speaker 1: just not quite there. I think there's some eggshells here.

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Speaker 1: I think Caleb's not quite where Ben Johnson wants him.

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Speaker 1: That is okay, and I don't blame him for all

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Speaker 1: of last year's sacks and the mess. But everybody played

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Speaker 1: this weekend. I mean Starter's played a lot. Let's talk, Shadeur.

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Speaker 1: I love that Nike's already got Nike's already.

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Speaker 3: Got an ad out.

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald was almost MVP last year. Could you get

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Speaker 1: an AD for Sam Darnald?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so only a matter of time, says the poster.

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Speaker 1: So I want to throw this at you. There is

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Speaker 1: a video and it's not hostile of Schadeur Sanders after

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Speaker 1: making a point after his first preseason game of finding

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Speaker 1: a local very popular local guy, Tony Gross. He's a

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Speaker 1: talk show. He's a very popular guy. I don't listen

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Speaker 1: to a lot of Cleveland radio, but I know who

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Speaker 1: he is, very, very popular. And again it's it's not

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Speaker 1: it's not ugly. And I do think Shadeur is a

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Speaker 1: good kid. I question his judgment and maturity, but they

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Speaker 3: It's fine. But this thing is like, Chadure, what are

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Speaker 3: you doing? Get out of there.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you watching Tony Grosy TikTok clips. And

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Speaker 1: here's the thing I've said about Shador and I've defended him.

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Speaker 1: His size, his arm, his mobility are all good enough

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Speaker 1: to be a franchise quarterback. And I think his accuracy

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Speaker 1: I think it's really good. I think it's really good,

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Speaker 1: moving stationary. I like his accuracy you're seeing there. These

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Speaker 1: he's very that's a very accurate throw. I think his

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Speaker 1: I do. I think he throws a better ball than Dak.

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Speaker 1: But he's not great at him. He's not Cam, he's

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Speaker 1: better in the other thirty to forty percent of quarterback play,

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Speaker 1: which is maturity focus EQ, film study, pre snap excellence.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Tom Brady's traits doesn't move at all,

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Speaker 1: the other stuff. Dak Prescott is a C plus in

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Speaker 1: Moulini's college coach, said that, but Dak is a plus

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Speaker 1: pre Snapdak's great. So if you're not outstanding in the

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Speaker 1: trait stuff and I like Schaduer and he's not, I

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Speaker 1: do think his accuracy is an excellent trait.

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Speaker 3: I'll argue.

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Speaker 1: I'll even argue with Greg Cosell. I think he throws

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Speaker 1: a really beautiful catchable ball. He's an easy thrower. But

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Speaker 1: I would like to say Herbert's this. Herbert just comes

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Speaker 1: out in the ball's accurate. C J. Stroud ball comes

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Speaker 1: out on platform, off left, right, up back. C J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud's accurate, Herbert's accurate. I think shaduer and I also

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Speaker 3: He's not d on.

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Speaker 1: Everybody says, why guys mom's at log ability. Well, his

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Speaker 1: And shandour had a good game. But my take is,

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Speaker 1: and I'm tired of Cleveland fan saying, Colin, you're making

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Speaker 1: a lot out of this little stuff. Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what you said about Johnny Manziel at Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson's court stuff in Houston. How about you

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Speaker 1: set this one out. Browns fan, you're all for three on.

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Speaker 1: It's no big deal. The speeding tickets. His own GM

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Speaker 1: called him dumb. This right here, Chad or you're a

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Speaker 1: good kid, get out of there. Don't look for sympathy

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Speaker 1: and support from local radio. Guy watch film and again,

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Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world. He is a

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Speaker 1: good kid. But the judgment thing for him is going

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Speaker 1: to have to be exceptional. He is not big Ben,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Cam Steve Young fart. That's not what he is.

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Speaker 1: And Brady knew it, and Peyton Manning knew it. Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning never threw a tight spiral. Peyton Manning didn't move well.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning had a good arm. It never rocket. So

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Speaker 1: when you're not, the trades aren't a Dak had so

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Speaker 1: much self awareness. I said this from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: Dak was one of those strangely mature guys, like twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Dak was twenty three going on thirty three. Jalen hurts,

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Speaker 1: he's not real big and not a great pockup guy.

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Speaker 3: He's like twenty seven going on forty seven.

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Speaker 1: So this is where Shador has got to get that

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Speaker 1: stuff tightened up. Don't worry about what local media says, like,

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Speaker 1: just stay away from that stuff and Cleveland fan sit

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Speaker 1: it out. You've been telling me for years that stuff

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I've been right three out of three times.

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Speaker 1: You got rid of Baker. I told you get off

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Speaker 1: television in the commercials. Baker, just get the quarterback thing right.

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Speaker 1: Forget the commercials. He was good in the commercials. Here's

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski on whether Chador's going to get number one

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Speaker 1: quarterback reps this week.

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Speaker 6: I'm really focused on all of our quarterbacks development and

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Speaker 6: every single one of these reps. We have a standard

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Speaker 6: for that position and really every position, but certainly the

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Speaker 6: quarterback position. There's a standard by which we play and

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Speaker 6: how we play and how we operate and how we

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Speaker 6: take care of the football and those type of things.

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Speaker 6: So there are things that Shadur can clean up. He

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Speaker 6: will clean up.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to hear your anti Shadur, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I thought he was underdrafted. I thought Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dart was overdrafted. He's more of a second round pick.

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Speaker 1: I think Shador was underdrafted. And when you watch him play,

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Speaker 1: he's very comfortable. He's a real six two to two eighteen.

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Speaker 1: He's not a weight room junkie, but he's he's if

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Speaker 1: you're six foot two, you're in the ninety six percentile

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Speaker 1: in this country. Anytime you see him standing around normal guys.

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Speaker 1: He's tall, he carries his weight well. He's not spindily

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Speaker 1: like Teddy Bridgewater or is Matt Ryan skinny or golf.

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Speaker 1: He's not top heavy like Will Levis. He looks like

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback six two eighteen, easily accurate, moves very well.

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Speaker 1: He's not great at that stuff, but he is absolutely

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Speaker 1: to me a franchise quarterback with all that stuff. He

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Speaker 1: didn't have a weird delivery. He's not slinging it side arm.

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Speaker 1: He's a franchise quarterback. But he better be buttoned up

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Speaker 1: on the other stuff because that's what's made Dac rich,

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Speaker 1: not the arm, not the traits.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This this quarterback tiers is is Sando's on the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Well they're young. Well they you know, they just got

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbecca's around the corner, quarterbacks, all of them, Joe

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Speaker 1: It was fun. I said, and watched the Bears and Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Jim Harball a couple of years ago when he drafted

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, arch Mannings family is saying he's staying at Texas

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Speaker 1: I thought he was better than quin Ewers, more athletic

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Speaker 1: Joe shed Dolphin's reporter reporting that culture, accountability, and physicality

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what we've been saying, and it got We've

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Speaker 1: are physical and they can be finesse. Finally, I at

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Fifty NFL executives and coaches came out in Mike Sando's

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's age. Okay, he's hurt again. Nobody cares about

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Speaker 2: Miss where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Even the NBA is acknowledging with their Christmas and Opening

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Speaker 3: For about fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Even their opening night games are one hundred percent Western

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Speaker 3: So we've said this before.

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Speaker 1: And with that, oh, I'm interesting interested, excuse me and

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Speaker 1: Matt hassel back eighteen years in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: I'm very interesting, and you are interesting, Colin.

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Speaker 2: You are.

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Speaker 3: It's supposed to be a little Okay.

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Speaker 1: First, I'm going to start with them jealous because you

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say right now, I'm not only jealous

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Speaker 5: I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 9: I mean, everything that Caleb Williams does because he was

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I said this sort of about Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 1: You and your generation got thrown to the Wolves. You

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Speaker 1: I maybe you give Russell the first start. This is

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Speaker 1: not Anthony Richardson forty one college starts in the SEC

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Speaker 1: with Lane Kiffin. Why would you not just figure out

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Speaker 1: if the kid can play?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I'm actually just

437
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Speaker 9: peeking at some of.

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Speaker 5: The ages of some of the rookie quarterbacks.

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Speaker 9: I mean, just because the guy's a rookie doesn't mean

440
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Speaker 9: he's the youngest guy.

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Speaker 5: Bo Nicks is twenty five years old as an example.

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Speaker 5: But no, I did. I grew up in the era

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Speaker 5: of you know, you sit on the.

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Speaker 9: Bench for a while. I mean Tom Brady did that,

445
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Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers did that. I know that was my experience

446
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Speaker 9: as well. I think the New York Giants have been

447
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Speaker 9: burned and so they are really sticking to the plan.

448
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Speaker 9: They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in leadership, in processed,

449
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Speaker 9: driven guys who've been there, done it, made mistakes, had

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Speaker 9: success in Jamis Winston and Russell Wilson. So I think

451
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Speaker 9: they're going to be slow and measured and patient with

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Speaker 9: Jackson Dart, who they do like a lot. But I do,

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Speaker 9: but I don't think he's ready. And I do think

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Speaker 9: the best plan is to start a guy like Russell

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Speaker 9: Wilson and let Jackson watch. But here's the danger. Don't

456
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Speaker 9: just have him sit there and watch, train him and

457
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Speaker 9: prepare him to play the way that Patrick Mahomes was

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Speaker 9: trained in preparing to play when he was sitting back

459
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Speaker 9: watching Alex Smith start during his rookie year at the

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Speaker 9: Kansas City Chiefs. There's activeness to the passivity of being

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Speaker 9: the backup if you do it right.

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Speaker 1: So I watched every snap Shador Sanders took, and I

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Speaker 1: know there's a lot I don't know, film study, galvanizing teammates,

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Speaker 1: coach ability, pre snap stuff. I've always understood that's thirty

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Speaker 1: thirty five forty percent of quarterback. I don't see that,

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Speaker 1: but I do see. How comfortable are you frenetic? Are

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Speaker 1: you comfortable? Are you confident? Do you move well? All

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Speaker 1: the stuff that I'm allowed to see, I think Chadur's

469
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Speaker 1: college trades transfer to the NFL. I think he was accurate.

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Speaker 1: I think he's more. I'm tired of hearing he's a

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Speaker 1: pocket guy. He moves I have highlights.

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Speaker 3: He moves fine. I don't know how he is off.

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Speaker 3: I don't know film, but I was impressed with him.

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Speaker 3: Why should I not be?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's a lot of encouraging things there.

476
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Speaker 9: I mean on the field, he's a guy that looks

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Speaker 9: like he belongs. I don't think he's going to be

478
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Speaker 9: their starting quarterback this year. I think Joe Flackle will

479
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Speaker 9: be their starting quarterback. And it's just a weird situation

480
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Speaker 9: because they've got four guys and someone's got to go.

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Speaker 9: You would think, well, Kenny Picketts missed so much time

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Speaker 9: in training camp, he really hasn't been around. And then

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Speaker 9: the young quarterback Gabriel, he's you know, he's been injured also,

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Speaker 9: So this is an opportunity for Shudor. My big question

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Speaker 9: is will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep

486
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Speaker 9: four quarterbacks? And courage is the word I'm using because

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Speaker 9: it's like no one else does that.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 9: But you know, Ray Rhodes, one of my old head

490
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Speaker 9: coaches used to say, Hey, we're going to kill a

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Speaker 9: mosquito with a sledgehammer at this position, and it's like,

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Speaker 9: you know, that's.

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Speaker 5: Not the best way to kill a mosquito, but I

494
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Speaker 5: get the point. We're going to overdo it.

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Speaker 9: And I think this is a quarterback that has this

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Speaker 9: is a team that has gone without a quarterback for

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Speaker 9: so long that they might just say, hey, listen, it's

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Speaker 9: that important of a position. We like what we have here,

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Speaker 9: the traits that he's showing. Let's hold on to him

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Speaker 9: and develop him on the field. He doesn't give me

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Speaker 9: pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all off

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Speaker 9: the field, and what he's like in the locker room.

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Speaker 5: That's the part that I just don't know.

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Speaker 9: There are some red flags, but it's hard for me

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Speaker 9: to sit here and judge that from where I'm sitting.

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Speaker 9: But I just know that, you know, being the backup

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Speaker 9: quarterback to someone like Joe Flacco, you're probably not going

508
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Speaker 9: to have a guy walking with you on your entrance

509
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Speaker 9: getting off the bus. This year, it's going to be

510
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Speaker 9: a different feeling from being the star quarterback in college

511
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Speaker 9: to potentially, you know, the second third or maybe even

512
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Speaker 9: fourth string quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: So Burroll played.

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Speaker 1: I don't want Aaron Rodgers playing behind backup offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: at his age. I don't want Kirk Cousins playing. We'll

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Speaker 1: get a stafford in about three minutes. But I just

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Speaker 1: want to ask Burroll played Mahomes play. Did you want

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Speaker 1: to when you were not at your last year? But

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about maybe four years left to play, So

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get hit, and you know the

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Speaker 1: game and you know the reads, But did you want

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Speaker 1: to be out there in pre season?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely I wanted to play.

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Speaker 9: And like when Mike Hongrin was the head coach, like

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Speaker 9: we basically had this kind of agreement and he basically.

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Speaker 5: Was like, all right, you can play until.

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Speaker 9: You take a hit, like until you take an unnecessary hit,

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Speaker 9: until you take a hit.

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Speaker 5: You know. The tough thing for me.

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Speaker 9: As a starting quarterback, I would feel bad for my

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Speaker 9: offensive lineman because they had to stay in the game

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Speaker 9: as long as I was in the game. And so like,

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Speaker 9: you know, I'm putting them at risk. Maybe I'm not

534
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Speaker 9: at risk, but I'm putting them at risk, you know.

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Speaker 5: And so like.

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Speaker 9: Usually I think, like after about a quarter you're feeling like, okay,

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Speaker 9: it's time to go now. The one thing that I

538
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Speaker 9: did like and I thought was really good in terms

539
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Speaker 9: of process is I liked, you know, coming in at halftime,

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Speaker 9: getting used to that half time break, and then coming

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Speaker 9: back out and having a drive or right before the

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Speaker 9: end of the first half, getting a chance to work

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Speaker 9: on two minutes with all your new hand signals, with

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Speaker 9: any players that are new players on your team. Those

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Speaker 9: things are really valuable that you don't get to simulate

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Speaker 9: in practice, but sure you want to compete. You want

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Speaker 9: to be out there, and usually you need the coaches

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Speaker 9: to say no, no, no, time for you to sit down.

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Speaker 5: You don't get to play anymore today.

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Speaker 1: So Matt Stafford didn't. He's not even dressing for practice.

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Speaker 1: And as I've aged, I feel pretty good. My back

552
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Speaker 1: isn't great. I wake up, need to stretch. Matt Stafford's

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Speaker 1: got a back injury. He's taken a lot of hits,

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Speaker 1: most of them in Detroit. Is that worry you a little?

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Speaker 9: Well, you're back. It doesn't surprise me. First off, Okay,

556
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Speaker 9: sitting is the new smoking. You sit all day long,

557
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Speaker 9: so your back probably feels like trash. No, I am

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Speaker 9: concerned about Matt through Stafford's back. I had a bad

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Speaker 9: back injury in two thousand and eight. Usually you can

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Speaker 9: tell how bad a quarterback's back injury is by if

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Speaker 9: the team sends him to California to see doctor Bob Watkins.

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Speaker 9: If they do that, you know it's serious. Now it's

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Speaker 9: a little harder here because he's already in LA. But no,

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Speaker 9: I'm concerned. I'm definitely concerned if you take the factors

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Speaker 9: of his age and all those types of things. Listen,

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Speaker 9: in eight, I hurt my back in a preseason game

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Speaker 9: against Tarad Allen and the Minnesota Vikings. It was just

568
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Speaker 9: like this weird thing. It wasn't that bad, but it

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Speaker 9: never got better. It like never got better that entire year.

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Speaker 9: And you know, the closest thing I could equate it

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Speaker 9: to is like you burn your mouth, like on a hot.

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Speaker 5: Piece of pizza or something, and.

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Speaker 9: It just it doesn't get better quick And that's kind

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Speaker 9: of what the back injury typically is. There's all different

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Speaker 9: types of back injuries, but they just don't seem to

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Speaker 9: get better quick And then even if they do get better,

577
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Speaker 9: you've missed all this time of like heavy weight training

578
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Speaker 9: or physicality that goes into your off season and you're

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Speaker 9: just not the version of yourself that you normally are.

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Speaker 9: So I'd be very concerned if I was a Rams

581
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Speaker 9: fan right now, just because Stafford is valuable and it's

582
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Speaker 9: just not a great place to be.

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Speaker 5: I've been there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy made one really good throw, it was a heater,

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Speaker 1: and then in another throw he badly overthrew an open

587
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Speaker 1: receiver and it was a heater. And I've heard these

588
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Speaker 1: comments they're trying to get him to do some off

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Speaker 1: speed stuff.

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Speaker 3: Everything.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Kaepernick was in that was the knock

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Speaker 1: like everything's a fastball. And I think to myself, I

593
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Speaker 1: mean he's been playing since he was probably seven. Like

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Speaker 1: they're teaching them how to play quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I look at that and I think you don't hear

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Speaker 1: very often. We're a first round quarterback. You're trying to get,

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to the tempo of the speed of

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Speaker 1: the ball. I'm like, that's I mean, Kevin O'Connell is

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Speaker 1: probably a great teacher, but what do I what do

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Speaker 1: I watched him and I thought it's fine, but like

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Speaker 1: there is kind of one speed. What do I make

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Speaker 1: of those comments.

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Speaker 9: Well, he's got good coaches and Kevin O'Connell and Josh McCown.

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Speaker 5: We trust those guys.

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Speaker 9: But to me, I would say, you got to use

607
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Speaker 9: the other clubs in your bag. It can't be driver

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Speaker 9: three with two iron, four four iron. Sometimes there's a

609
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 9: there's a there's a nine iron in there, there's this,

610
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Speaker 9: there's a sand wedge. I mean, uh, there's there's phrases

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Speaker 9: in the quarterback room like KYP know your personnel. If

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Speaker 9: you're throwing to certain guys, has got to be a

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Speaker 9: different club. Sometimes you're throwing over defenders instead of through lanes,

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Speaker 9: and so those are all things that I think come

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Speaker 9: with experience. He played a lot at Michigan, didn't throw

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Speaker 9: the ball ton at Michigan. But I think what JJ

617
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Speaker 9: McCarthy has, he's got the intangibles that you cannot coach.

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Speaker 9: I think you can coach the what club in the

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Speaker 9: bag are you use it?

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Speaker 5: I think you can coach that.

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Speaker 9: I'm someone who would buy on the Minnesota Vikings right now.

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Speaker 9: I think this is a good team. I think this

623
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Speaker 9: quarterback will have a good year. But certainly the analogy

624
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Speaker 9: that you used with a young Colin Kaepernick. I think

625
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Speaker 9: that's a great example of a guy that you know

626
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Speaker 9: has a great arm, a very strong arm, can throw

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Speaker 9: a tight spiral, throw it far.

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Speaker 5: But the clubs in the bag certainly a thing.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck road weary, I mean just literally racing to

630
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Speaker 1: the in front of his screen to get on the

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Speaker 1: on the show, buddy, and I always appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: The effort awesome. See you Colin all right?

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Speaker 1: Uh, Matt Hasselbeck, Yeah, it's I I think his comment

634
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Speaker 1: on Shador his mind. Sixty percent of this quarterback position

635
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Speaker 1: we can all see. We don't see the forty percent,

636
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Speaker 1: and that is Should's got to be really good at that.

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Speaker 1: Dak Is, Jalen hurts Is Brock perty is because they're

638
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Speaker 1: not Their traits aren't exceptional. Shoulde's traits aren't exceptional. But

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Speaker 1: if I have to hear again, he's just a pocket guy.

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Speaker 3: No, he's not.

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Speaker 1: He can move, He moves better than a lot of

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this league. And he's also it matters he's

643
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Speaker 1: in his athletic prime. For the next seven years. He's

644
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Speaker 1: in his athletic prime.

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Speaker 3: So uh, I thought it was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I thought it looked like it did Colorado, accurate, mobile, enough, arms,

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Speaker 1: good enough.

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Speaker 5: It matters.