Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is verdict was center Ted Cruz ben Ferguson with you.
Speaker 2: Senator Biden has got a lot to be smiling about.
Speaker 2: He gave a thumbs up when he was asked by
Speaker 2: the media, how is Hunter doing? With a little bit
Speaker 2: of a grin, like we got away with it. But
Speaker 2: there are new whistleblowers out that are saying that the
Speaker 2: corruption within our government is massive. The IRS were being
Speaker 2: told former whistleblower recommended felony tax charges against Hunter Biden,
Speaker 2: and the DOJY apparently bocked.
Speaker 1: That's a all.
Speaker 2: We're hearing that multiple times when there were big things
Speaker 2: that they wanted to investigate, they kept being shut down.
Speaker 3: Your reaction to this, well, the whistleblowers that we heard
Speaker 3: from yesterday, it's really quite stunning. So the House Ways
Speaker 3: and Means Committee released transcripts of interviews with two IRS
Speaker 3: whistleblowers who came forward and said that the Biden Justice
Speaker 3: Department actively aggressively interfered in the investigation of Hunter Biden,
Speaker 3: that they protected Hunter Biden, that they blocked felony charges
Speaker 3: against Hunter Biden, that they prevented the investigation from in
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form. Asking about Joe Biden. These transcripts,
Speaker 3: they're stunning. They are anyone who cares about the rule
Speaker 3: of law. Look, I get this is a partisan divide,
Speaker 3: so Republicans say, oh, this is really bad, and Democrats say,
Speaker 3: what nothing to see here. We hate Trump. But if
Speaker 3: you actually care about the rule of law, these allegations,
Speaker 3: they're not coming from partisan Republicans. They're coming from career
Speaker 3: senior IRS officials and investigators who are appalled, who are
Speaker 3: absolutely appalled at what happened. And they alleged that the
Speaker 3: Biden Justice Department blocked the serving of a search warrant
Speaker 3: on Joe Biden's guest house where Hunter was staying, because
Speaker 3: they said that would look bad. That would look bad.
Speaker 1: Wait, let's say that again, because this is not being covered.
Speaker 2: I want you to say that again so everybody understands
Speaker 2: how massive of a deal this is.
Speaker 3: The investigators wanted to execute a search warrant on Joe
Speaker 3: Biden's guest house, Wow, which is where Hunter Biden was staying,
Speaker 3: and dooj said, no, that would look bad. The optics,
Speaker 3: they said, would be bad, So you can't execute a
Speaker 3: search warrant. The investigators were told you are not allowed
Speaker 3: to ask about Hunter Biden's dad or the big guy.
Speaker 3: Those questions are not allowed. There are payments that went
Speaker 3: to hunter Biden's kids. They were told you were not
Speaker 3: allowed to interview the kids because it would look really
Speaker 3: bad if we interview the president's grandkids. The level of
Speaker 3: detail on this is stunning. We are told that the
Speaker 3: investigators recommended bringing felony charges. And let me give you
Speaker 3: some of the statistics. The whistleblowers testified that hunter Biden
Speaker 3: failed to pay more than two point two million dollars
Speaker 3: in taxes. Mind you, he's serving not a day in jail.
Speaker 3: Two point two million in taxes that he didn't pay,
Speaker 3: and that was from Do you know how much he
Speaker 3: made from foreign enemy and entities?
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: Well, the real question is what's the real number, right,
Speaker 2: because that number seems to be changing all the time.
Speaker 3: Well, it does. But here's what the whistleblower said that
Speaker 3: they had evidence that he had received eight point three
Speaker 3: million dollars from foreign entities in Ukraine, in China and
Speaker 3: in remaining and he received at least six million dollars
Speaker 3: from CEFC China Energy, which is an energy conglomerate linked
Speaker 3: to the Chinese military intelligence. So You've got Hunter Biden
Speaker 3: making six million from the Chinese Communist Party. You've got
Speaker 3: a Romanian businessman investigated for bribery who paid Hunter Biden
Speaker 3: another million dollars, and Bearisma paid Hunter Biden eighty three
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a month to serve on its board of directors.
Speaker 2: When you hear it that way, and you also see
Speaker 2: that we're going to get fourteen hours of transcribed interviews
Speaker 2: with these two irs, Wristi Blowers, and their story of
Speaker 2: really how the federal government mishandled, didn't handle they mishandled
Speaker 2: this investigation into this high profile individual, the President's son.
Speaker 1: The White House almost knew or acted.
Speaker 2: Like they could just get away with anything they wanted to,
Speaker 2: and they could take money from anywhere in the world,
Speaker 2: from the worst people in the world.
Speaker 1: They weren't even trying to hide it.
Speaker 2: Yes they had their Yes, they had their shell companies, right,
Speaker 2: we know that, Yes, there were bribes coming in, but
Speaker 2: this was normal business habits for them the entire time
Speaker 2: that he was the vice president, when he was part
Speaker 2: of the time when he was a senator, His brother
Speaker 2: James Biden was in on as well. And yet that
Speaker 2: when the government had a chance to look at this.
Speaker 2: When they saw the evidence that whistleblowers are saying, they said,
Speaker 2: shut it down, don't look at it, don't do it,
Speaker 2: don't touch it.
Speaker 3: It's even worse than that. So Gary Shapley, who is
Speaker 3: this irs whistleblower, testified that they had a WhatsApp message
Speaker 3: sent by Hunter Biden to a Chinese businessman named Henry Zoo.
Speaker 3: And here's what he says. Quote, this is from Hunter Biden.
Speaker 3: I am sitting here with my father and we would
Speaker 3: like to understand why the commitment has not been fulfilled.
Speaker 3: I am very concerned that the Chairman has either changed
Speaker 3: his mind or broken our deal without telling me, and
Speaker 3: that he is unaware of the promises and assurances that
Speaker 3: have been made and not been kept. And he continues,
Speaker 3: He says, quote tell the director that I would like
Speaker 3: to resolve this now before it gets out of hand,
Speaker 3: and now means tonight, and z if I get a
Speaker 3: call or text from anyone involved in this other than you,
Speaker 3: Zang or the Chairman, I will make certain that the
Speaker 3: man sitting next to me that would be Joe Biden
Speaker 3: and every person he knows, and my ability to forever
Speaker 3: hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction.
Speaker 2: So to be clear, he's threatening the United States government
Speaker 2: will come down on them if they don't do what
Speaker 2: they said they were going to do with the Biden
Speaker 2: crime family.
Speaker 3: Look, that's exactly right. My understanding of the timing of
Speaker 3: this is this is immediately after Biden had finished serving
Speaker 3: as vice president, so he was the immediate former vice president,
Speaker 3: and he was preparing to be a candidate for president.
Speaker 3: And let's be clear, hunter Biden is demanding money from
Speaker 3: the Chinese communists, and he says the opening line of
Speaker 3: this WhatsApp is, I'm sitting here with my father, and
Speaker 3: we not me, we'sh Biden, the former vice president fixing
Speaker 3: to be the next president, wants to know why the
Speaker 3: commitment has not been fulfilled, and he makes very clear,
Speaker 3: you either resolve this tonight, not tomorrow, not the next day, tonight,
Speaker 3: or and let's go back to what it says, quote,
Speaker 3: I will make certain that between the man sitting next
Speaker 3: to me that would be Joe Biden and every person
Speaker 3: he knows. That would be every Democrat. That would be
Speaker 3: Barack Obama, that would be Michelle Obama, that would be
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton, that would be a Bill Clinton, that would
Speaker 3: be every Democrat cabinet member. He knows a lot of people.
Speaker 3: He's Joe Biden, and my ability to forever hold a
Speaker 3: grudge that you will regret not following my direction. Ben,
Speaker 3: This is as close to direct evidence a bribery and
Speaker 3: extortion that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the consequences for this and the
Speaker 2: fact that there has been clearly a hey, you can
Speaker 2: go there with the DOJ. Hey shut that down with
Speaker 2: the DOJ. What can Congress do? And the real question
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Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Look, we know in this investigation they're claiming, Hey, this
Speaker 2: is the end of it for Hunter.
Speaker 1: Right, it's not the end of it for the president.
Speaker 2: But at what point does this turn into a real
Speaker 2: issue center for the idea of impeachment?
Speaker 3: It is right now. Look, this WhatsApp is direct evidence
Speaker 3: of Joe Biden abusing his government power to enrich his
Speaker 3: son and assuming ten percent for the big guy to
Speaker 3: enrich himself. Remember this WhatsApp says, we want to know
Speaker 3: this is not me a hunter, just just sort of
Speaker 3: mooching off my dad. It says dad's sitting next to me.
Speaker 3: And the stunning thing, of course the House needs to
Speaker 3: investigate it. But the stunning thing is what the IRS
Speaker 3: whistleblower says is do o j Merrick Garland prevented even
Speaker 3: an investigation into this message said nope, you can't ask
Speaker 3: about it. We don't want to know about it. Nothing
Speaker 3: involving Joe Biden can be considered. This is all about
Speaker 3: poor Hunter Biden. He's got a drug problem. Let's make
Speaker 3: it all about him. Let's not worry. He doesn't have
Speaker 3: to pay his taxes. His name is Biden. Taxes are
Speaker 3: for little people. Like Amelda Marco said, taxes are for
Speaker 3: little people. That's true for Biden's too. It's true for
Speaker 3: in a different context, Hillary to laws or for little people.
Speaker 3: This what'sapp up directly ties Joe Biden to the millions
Speaker 3: of dollars coming from communist China. Now it is possible
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden was lying. It's possible Joe Biden wasn't next
Speaker 3: to him. It's possible Joe Biden was not going to
Speaker 3: inflict official damage on the Chinese if they didn't pay
Speaker 3: him and his son millions of dollars. That's possible. But
Speaker 3: you know what, we don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 3: Why because according to the whistleblower, they didn't investigate, and
Speaker 3: they were prohibited from investigating. They were prevented from even
Speaker 3: asking the question. Let me be clear, this on the
Speaker 3: face of it is obstruction of justice. And if Merrick
Speaker 3: Garland issued that order, he is the one blocking the investigation.
Speaker 3: And I think there's real evidence of Merrick Garland being
Speaker 3: guilty of obstruction of justice if now look these allegations
Speaker 3: at this point. But you know what, look I serve
Speaker 3: in the Senate Senate Judiciary Committee, if you had a
Speaker 3: single Democrat who gave a flying flip about the rule
Speaker 3: of law, we would have a hearing right now with
Speaker 3: Merrick Garland in front of us under oath, asking about
Speaker 3: this WhatsApp and we would ask to see every document.
Speaker 3: We'd ask to see every email, we'd ask to see
Speaker 3: every communication between DOJ and the investigators. We would put
Speaker 3: the irs whistleblowers on the stand. We'd put them on
Speaker 3: the witness stand under oath to testify about it, and
Speaker 3: we would confront Merrick Garland with that. Now, the chances
Speaker 3: of the Senate Judiciary Committee doing that are zero because
Speaker 3: Dick Durbin doesn't care, No Senate Democrat cares, but the
Speaker 3: House does. So that is the only hope for investigating this.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at just this issue, and even
Speaker 2: there is shocking news that broke earlier today that said
Speaker 2: that apparently the Navy detected that the submarine that's gone
Speaker 2: missing may have imploded on Sunday. Apparently the Biden administration
Speaker 2: slow played that news from the public, quite possibly because
Speaker 2: they wanted a disrection from Hunter Biden and the indictment.
Speaker 2: This broke tonight. I'm not surprised by that at all,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, Senator, if they in fact
Speaker 2: did do that, because everything else they do seems to
Speaker 2: be done in a way that's all about distractions, all
Speaker 2: about covering up, and all about making sure that you're
Speaker 2: looking one way when they're doing these shady deals.
Speaker 3: In the other hand, well, and let me ask you
Speaker 3: how cruel was it if the Biden administration knew that
Speaker 3: the sub had imploded several days ago and that the
Speaker 3: five individuals in that sub were dead. How cruel was
Speaker 3: it to the families of those individuals to let them
Speaker 3: go through the agony of the last several days. Now,
Speaker 3: maybe they conveyed privately to the families, but I doubt
Speaker 3: they did. There's no indication that they did. I think
Speaker 3: you're right. This is look for the Biden White House, everything, everything,
Speaker 3: everything is pr The Chinese spy balloon. We talked about
Speaker 3: this extensively on the podcast. The only reason anyone knows
Speaker 3: about the Chinese spy balloon is because a couple of
Speaker 3: guys in Montana looked up and said, holy crap, what's
Speaker 3: that way up in the sky, and they took pictures
Speaker 3: of the damn thing. If it hadn't been for a
Speaker 3: couple of guys in Montana, I promise you you and
Speaker 3: I would not know about the Chinese spy balloon. It
Speaker 3: would have conducted espionage over US military bases, and the
Speaker 3: Biden administration would have kept it utterly silent and secret.
Speaker 3: Everything they do is pr which is, by the way,
Speaker 3: why after they got embarrassed by letting the Chinese conduct
Speaker 3: espionage for a week over the continental United States, they
Speaker 3: shot down I think it was four damn balloons, including
Speaker 3: what appears to be a experimental balloon from a bunch
Speaker 3: of high school kids in Illinois because they wanted to
Speaker 3: prove they were really tough. It was all pr The
Speaker 3: same thing is true, like how do you not let
Speaker 3: the world know if you know what happened to the
Speaker 3: sub three days ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, on Sunday night, to be clear, and talk about
Speaker 2: torture for the family members. That's all of those and
Speaker 2: not only that, just the amount of money that we
Speaker 2: spent tax dollars trying to find this submarine when in
Speaker 2: fact they may have known it was all done on
Speaker 2: Sunday and they were all, you know, well the oxygen
Speaker 2: could be lasting till X, Y and Z and oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, we have hundreds got indicted. So this
Speaker 2: is a great distraction. And look, these stories. If you
Speaker 2: work in press and people at the White House that
Speaker 2: work in the White House Press office know this, they
Speaker 2: captivate and people stop.
Speaker 3: Course, how could you not this submarine story like that,
Speaker 3: like they're searching for the Titanic. You've got billionaires. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was every one of us watch it. And I
Speaker 3: have to admit when the news broke today that it
Speaker 3: appeared to have been an instantaneous implosion reaction. I was
Speaker 3: actually relieved. I mean, I mean, listen, God, it's a
Speaker 3: horrible tragedy. You wouldn't want that accident to happen to anyone.
Speaker 3: But I got to say, I'm grateful that if it
Speaker 3: was gonna happen, that it would happen the information I've
Speaker 3: seen that it would happen in less than a second,
Speaker 3: that it would be instantaneous, that you would be you're
Speaker 3: under two miles of water, that you'd basically just be
Speaker 3: be obliterated in the flash of an eye. I gotta say, Ben,
Speaker 3: that is a much better way to go than locked
Speaker 3: in a dark can at the bottom of the ocean
Speaker 3: for three days as your oxygen is going away and
Speaker 3: you're in utter terror. Yeah, I felt grateful. Look, and
Speaker 3: nobody wants any of that to happen, but you'd much
Speaker 3: rather it happened instantaneously than through a long, agonizing hell.
Speaker 3: And so I guess that's sort of good news that
Speaker 3: it was at least quick and painless rather than a torture.
Speaker 2: And yet the White House didn't tell the truth to
Speaker 2: the people involved, apparently knowing that this so it was
Speaker 2: torture to the found Sunday, the family torture like political reasons.
Speaker 3: If you're the child, if you're the brother, if you're
Speaker 3: the sister, if you're the mom, if you're the dad,
Speaker 3: what's your reaction right now? Hey, wait, you guys knew
Speaker 3: about this days ago and just didn't bother to tell
Speaker 3: us and told us to hold out hope that that
Speaker 3: that they were still alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the same news cycle, And this goes back
Speaker 2: to do you trust Senator anything out of this administration
Speaker 2: and not just the White House directly. You talk about
Speaker 2: this quote new accounting error. We talked about this on
Speaker 2: Verdicts several weeks ago, where the Pentagon had an accounting error,
Speaker 2: for example, and we sent a bunch more equipment, military
Speaker 2: grade equipment, lethal equipment to Ukraine. Then they revised that
Speaker 2: number yet again and we sent billions and billions and
Speaker 2: billions of dollars. There's more of lethal equipment to Ukraine
Speaker 2: than anyone knew about. And they're saying, oh, it was
Speaker 2: an accounting error and that was coming from the Pentagon. Again,
Speaker 2: if they want to just do this war with Ukraine,
Speaker 2: they're basically saying, hey, we're gonna tell you it's a
Speaker 2: certain amount of money.
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna say we got it wrong. Then we're
Speaker 1: gonna say.
Speaker 2: We got it wrong again, which more than double the number,
Speaker 2: and now we're in this thing for hundreds of billions
Speaker 2: of dollars.
Speaker 3: Look at this point, my level of trust in what
Speaker 3: the Biden administration says is abysmally low because they've demonstrated
Speaker 3: over and over again they're willing to say things that
Speaker 3: are false. Listen, Kareem John Pierre stands up at the
Speaker 3: White House podium day after day after day and tells
Speaker 3: bald face lies. She doesn't even pretend, she lies on
Speaker 3: behalf of the president every day. And this is facilitated.
Speaker 3: It's the point we talk about a lot on the podcast.
Speaker 3: It's facilitated. I blame the media, I blame CNN, I
Speaker 3: blame MSNBC, I blame ABC, CBS, NBC because they don't
Speaker 3: hover their lies, they cover up for them, and so
Speaker 3: it facilitates. They are the enablers of this dishonesty.
Speaker 2: And how big of an issue is that when and
Speaker 2: we're talking about six point two billion here right, the
Speaker 2: Pentagon made is stunning six point two billion dollar accounting error,
Speaker 2: and it provides extra aid, lethal aid to Ukraine. Like,
Speaker 2: when as a senator and you hear this, does that
Speaker 2: make you roll your eyes? Does that make you angry?
Speaker 2: What are other people saying around you on Capol Hill
Speaker 2: when you see something like that, like or do they
Speaker 2: just know that? They basically said, Hey, we're gonna lie
Speaker 2: to you guys on Capitol Hill. We're gonna do what
Speaker 2: we want to do the Biden administration wants to do.
Speaker 2: We don't really give a crap if you approved it
Speaker 2: or not, because we're gonna call it an accounting error.
Speaker 3: I have no confidence in what the Biden administration says
Speaker 3: anymore because they've demonstrated that they are willing to cover up,
Speaker 3: that they are willing to lie. And let's go back
Speaker 3: to what these whistleblowers have testified. These whistleblowers have testified
Speaker 3: that the Department of Justice actively interfered in the investigation
Speaker 3: to prevent any investigation of Joe Biden's personal corruption. Look,
Speaker 3: as we talked about on the podcast last week, I
Speaker 3: had the Deputy director of the FBI. I asked him
Speaker 3: about the FD ten twenty three he's Stonewaald. I asked
Speaker 3: him about the seventeen voice recordings he's stonewalld the degree
Speaker 3: to which this administration has politicized the entirety of government,
Speaker 3: and they rationalize it. They rationalize it because they believe
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is evil, and so everything is justified in
Speaker 3: pursuit of fighting Donald Trump. But it is ripping to
Speaker 3: shreds the integrity of the institutions of our government. That
Speaker 3: is very, very dangerous.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you also about moving forward here. There's
Speaker 2: so many people that believe that the Hunter Biden issue
Speaker 2: is over, so therefore apparently all of this is over right.
Speaker 1: That's not true.
Speaker 2: The whistleblowers keep coming forward and they keep giving out
Speaker 2: more and more damning details, just like what you mentioned
Speaker 2: and what we're talking about here tonight.
Speaker 1: But moving forward.
Speaker 2: What is the best point of attack for Congress?
Speaker 1: And are there.
Speaker 2: Any investigations into the president since this with apparently has
Speaker 2: been wrapped up with Hunter Biden, is there any active
Speaker 2: investigations that we know of for him or is this
Speaker 2: just going to be Congress exposing it and that's gonna
Speaker 2: be it.
Speaker 3: Well, there is ostensibly a special counsel investigating Joe Biden's
Speaker 3: possession of classified documents. Remember Robert Hurr, he was announced
Speaker 3: we did a podcast about him, and then apparently they
Speaker 3: put the special counsel in witness protection because he's disappeared
Speaker 3: from site. I don't know what he's doing. We talked
Speaker 3: about when he was appointed. And remember this is someone
Speaker 3: who had worked for Rod Rosenstein in the Department of
Speaker 3: Justice when you had the deep state waging war against
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I said, listen. To tell as to whether
Speaker 3: mister Hurr will be a real prosecutor or not is
Speaker 3: whether he is willing to investigate the evidence of corruption
Speaker 3: of the family business of Hunter Biden selling access in
Speaker 3: Joe Biden profiting from it. Now we know that the
Speaker 3: rest of justice, at least according to these whistleblowers, And
Speaker 3: to be clear, I want to underscore this again, we
Speaker 3: don't know that what the whistleblowers are saying is accurate.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of reason to think it's accurate. I mean,
Speaker 3: these are senior IRS investigators who have no reason to lie,
Speaker 3: who are not, by any indication partisan Republicans. But there
Speaker 3: should be a real and public investigation. And the thing
Speaker 3: that is shocking is, at least to date, Joe Biden
Speaker 3: hasn't been made to answer questions on this. Hunter Biden
Speaker 3: hasn't been made to answer questions on this. Garland hasn't
Speaker 3: been made to answer questions on this. Chris Ray hadn't
Speaker 3: been made to answer questions on this. The this, this
Speaker 3: what's app communication is a smoking gun. This is if
Speaker 3: they're making a movie about all the presidents men, if
Speaker 3: they're making a movie about Watergate. This is what deep
Speaker 3: throat standing in the parking garage in a trench coat,
Speaker 3: hands over.
Speaker 2: Here's the evidence, to be clear, and I just want
Speaker 2: to make sure I quarify this. You believe it is
Speaker 2: time for the House side to look at impeachment because
Speaker 2: of what we're now seeing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yes, if this is true on the face of it,
Speaker 3: Joe Biden should be impeached. You can't corruptly take bribes
Speaker 3: from foreign nationals. You can't do it as vice president,
Speaker 3: you can't do it as president. And if you are
Speaker 3: profiting to the tunes of millions of dollars from foreign nationals,
Speaker 3: you should be impeached. You should be prosecuted, you should
Speaker 3: go to jail now. To develop that case, the House
Speaker 3: will have to continue developing the evidence that. I don't
Speaker 3: believe they have the votes tomorrow to impeach Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: I suspect the number of Democrats who would vote to
Speaker 3: impeach Biden is zero because they don't care about the facts,
Speaker 3: which means they've got to develop a factual predicate so
Speaker 3: compelling that they can actually get a majority in the House.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that they're there yet, but this
Speaker 3: investigation needs to be redoubled and the facts need to
Speaker 3: be laid out before the American people, because right now, listen,
Speaker 3: these whistleblowers have elevated the gravity of the charges against
Speaker 3: Joe Biden on order of magnitude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you hope the big backfire is that maybe
Speaker 2: it is that, yeah, hunter Biden got off, but the
Speaker 2: whistleblowers would be so angry over what they just witness
Speaker 2: that it may be even more damning for the presidency,
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Speaker 2: a massive debate in this country about protecting women's sports.
Speaker 2: I've been screaming for the feminists to get their act
Speaker 2: together and defend women's sports are being taken over by
Speaker 2: men acting like women. There are differences clearly between physical, biological.
Speaker 1: Men and women.
Speaker 2: We know that, and yet you had witnesses in front
Speaker 2: of you that refuse to answer basic questions about the
Speaker 2: difference between men and women. And one of those I
Speaker 2: want to play this real quick take a listen for
Speaker 2: everybody else.
Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you, someone who's competed at the
Speaker 3: elite level and your experience, is there a difference between
Speaker 3: women and men?
Speaker 4: Of course, I think we learned this at a very
Speaker 4: young age, watching even twelve and unders play. Going through
Speaker 4: puberty causes irreversible advantage that no matter the training, no
Speaker 4: matter the diet, no matter any alterable change you can make,
Speaker 4: will overcome that male advantage.
Speaker 2: I just want to stop there because that's such a
Speaker 2: basic thing that was accepted in society. Yet the left
Speaker 2: is refusing to accept this any longer and it's lunacy.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right. And by the way, the person
Speaker 3: I'm talking with at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing is
Speaker 3: Riley Gaines. Riley Gaines was an incredibly successful swimmer female
Speaker 3: swimmer at the University of Kentucky, and she ended up
Speaker 3: competing and tying with Lea Thomas. Lea Thomas is the
Speaker 3: biological male who decided that he was a she and
Speaker 3: competed as a woman and Leah Thomas. You know, we've
Speaker 3: all seen the picture where Leah Thomas is a six
Speaker 3: foot four has the arms and chest and body of
Speaker 3: a man. And when the two of them tied, the
Speaker 3: NCAA forced Lea Thomas to get the meta the trophy
Speaker 3: and not Riley Gaines because it wasn't complicated because of politics.
Speaker 3: The fact that she was a woman means, sorry, you
Speaker 3: don't get the trophy in women's sports, even though she
Speaker 3: tied someone who was a biological male, and she I
Speaker 3: gotta say Riley Gaines is she is a young woman
Speaker 3: in her early twenties. She has shown absolute heroism. She
Speaker 3: has been outspoken saying this isn't fair, this isn't right.
Speaker 3: I worked, I worked, I trained for hours and hours
Speaker 3: and hours. I got up early in the morning, I swam,
Speaker 3: and I swam and I swam. She also described how
Speaker 3: this insane woke rules that she was forced at the
Speaker 3: swim meets to share the same locker room with Leah
Speaker 3: Thomas to undress nude. And she said, Leah Thomas has
Speaker 3: full genitals of a man. So she's sitting there with
Speaker 3: a human being with male genitals right next door. And
Speaker 3: she was forced to undress next to her because next
Speaker 3: to Leah Thomas, and to be naked. And she said
Speaker 3: she was horrified, and many of the other women were too.
Speaker 3: But this is the bizarre insanity we live with that
Speaker 3: we're telling an eighteen nineteen year old girl. Sorry, you
Speaker 3: got to share a locker room with a man and
Speaker 3: and see see the full equipment right next to you,
Speaker 3: and get naked next to them, and just suck it
Speaker 3: up because our left wing politics demand that of.
Speaker 1: You, and who wants us for their daughter? Right? And
Speaker 1: one of the things about these hearings, and by.
Speaker 3: The way, they're doing that to thirteen year olds too,
Speaker 3: not even just college kids. I mean they're doing it
Speaker 3: to young kids too.
Speaker 1: Not only they're doing it to young kids.
Speaker 2: But at these hearings there's an interesting dynamic because usually
Speaker 2: there's witnesses that come. You guys have witnesses on the right,
Speaker 2: Republicans that you call Democrats call witnesses as well. And
Speaker 2: you asked a very simple question to an LGBTQ activist
Speaker 2: by the name of Kelly Robinson, and this was the
Speaker 2: question you asked, and it shows you just how psychotic
Speaker 2: the left has become over this issue. They can't even
Speaker 2: answer this basic question that you asked.
Speaker 3: Ms Robinson. Do you agree with Miss Gaines that there's
Speaker 3: a difference between women and men?
Speaker 5: If the question is about trans women.
Speaker 3: I'm just asking, is there a difference between women and men?
Speaker 5: What I can say is that the NCAA has rules
Speaker 5: in place.
Speaker 6: They've had rules in place for the last decade and
Speaker 6: when this competition.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try it rules very clear. Do you believe
Speaker 3: there's a difference between women and men. It's a yes no.
Speaker 3: Question is do you believe there's a difference?
Speaker 6: Oh, I think that we're talking about this case with.
Speaker 5: The answer no.
Speaker 3: I'm asking a question, do you believe there's a difference
Speaker 3: between women and men? Most people could answer this very simply.
Speaker 3: I'm curious if you're willing to do so. Oh.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I'm just putting into the context of theation that
Speaker 6: we're having.
Speaker 5: I think that there are definitions.
Speaker 3: Really it is, so I'm trying to get a yes
Speaker 3: or no. I'm not trying to get the speech. Is
Speaker 3: there a difference between women and men?
Speaker 6: I think that there are definitions for biological sex.
Speaker 3: So you're not answering. Let me ask you this question, then,
Speaker 3: why do women's sports exist? If you can't define a
Speaker 3: difference between women and men, why not abolish women's sports
Speaker 3: and just tell little girls to swim with little boys
Speaker 3: and see who wins.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm simply saying that that sex.
Speaker 3: My question, Why do women.
Speaker 5: It's a great value, I mean, Senator, I'll tell.
Speaker 3: You, please answer the question. I'm asking you absolutely, why
Speaker 3: do women's sports exist?
Speaker 6: I think that there are so many positive benefits to sports.
Speaker 3: But why have a Soccerate Guide category for women. If
Speaker 3: there's no difference between women and men, why to have
Speaker 3: women's sports.
Speaker 6: I'm saying that there's a difference between sex and gender,
Speaker 6: and that the NCAA has rules in place, which they
Speaker 6: have for the lost decade.
Speaker 3: I would like to enter the record an article from
Speaker 3: Duke Law called comparing athletic performances for the best elite
Speaker 3: women to boys and.
Speaker 1: By the way, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I was gonna cut it there, but I want you
Speaker 2: to explain this part about Duke Law that where you
Speaker 2: were going here, and also the fact that Kelly Robinson
Speaker 2: couldn't answer a basic damn question is there a difference
Speaker 2: between men and women? Because she knows that if she
Speaker 2: answers that question. Honestly, the entire joke, the ruse, this,
Speaker 2: this absurdity is done with well.
Speaker 3: The current delusion of the left is that the answer
Speaker 3: to that question is no. I suspect she believes the
Speaker 3: answer is no because they've embraced an ideology that says
Speaker 3: there's no difference between women and men, that you can
Speaker 3: be a man, a woman, a man, a woman, a
Speaker 3: man and woman three all on the same day. As
Speaker 3: you change your mind at that moment that there are
Speaker 3: absolutely no differences. And look, I got to assume somewhere
Speaker 3: in the back of her mind she's like, well, wait
Speaker 3: a second, Like if you grab a woman and grab
Speaker 3: a man and say let's arm wrestle, I know what
Speaker 3: the result is likely to be. Now, that doesn't mean
Speaker 3: is there's some giant woman who could beat some whimpy
Speaker 3: man at arm wrestling. Sure, but the question is are
Speaker 3: there basic differences between the genders? From literally the dawn
Speaker 3: of humanity? People could answer that question, but her ideology
Speaker 3: won't let her. And I think the reason that she
Speaker 3: refuses to answer the question is what she wants to say.
Speaker 3: What she wants to scream is no, no, no, there
Speaker 3: is no difference. But I think she realizes that that
Speaker 3: is so nutty that anyone who lives on planet Earth
Speaker 3: that is not a wild eyed leftist ideologue is like,
Speaker 3: what's wrong with you? What do you mean there's no
Speaker 3: difference between women and men? And the second question that
Speaker 3: I got to is why have women's sports? Why have
Speaker 3: a separate Why have girls' sports? What? Why have girls soccer?
Speaker 3: Why have girls softball? Why have girls basketball? Why does
Speaker 3: the WNBA exist? Look, Britney gutt Grinder. She was held
Speaker 3: in Russia, she came back, She's a WNBA star. Why
Speaker 3: have a WNBA? Why not just tell Britney got grinder,
Speaker 3: you want to play basketball, go out for the NBA.
Speaker 3: Let's see how you do against Lebron James. The answer
Speaker 3: obviously is, at least right now, I'm not aware of
Speaker 3: any woman on planet Earth who has the skills to
Speaker 3: compete in the NBA. Maybe that'll happen. But the reason
Speaker 3: we have a WNBA is the same reason we have
Speaker 3: girls sixth grade soccer, because it's really valuable for girls
Speaker 3: and women to be able to compete and have the
Speaker 3: benefits of sports. I say this is the father of daughters.
Speaker 3: You know, my girls would be thoroughly discouraged if they
Speaker 3: were having to play sports against boys that were larger
Speaker 3: and stronger and that had biological advantages. That's what Riley
Speaker 3: Gaines testified to. And go ahead and play the rest
Speaker 3: of it, because this Duke Law study illustrates just how
Speaker 3: compellingly the difference is between the physiology of men and women.
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Speaker 2: For everybody that's listening right now, this is you, uh,
Speaker 2: basically introducing Riley Gains to you know, not just a
Speaker 2: lot of people in the world, no, but certainly to Congress.
Speaker 1: And here's what you had to say about her at
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 3: James, I want to thank you for your courage. You
Speaker 3: are relatively young, but you have demonstrated incredible courage. And
Speaker 3: because you have dared to speak up, you have been demonized.
Speaker 3: You had been vilified. I saw when you were attacked
Speaker 3: by a leftist mob at San Francisco State University for
Speaker 3: daring to speak up. You had an incredible record as
Speaker 3: a swimmer at the University of Kentucky. You were a
Speaker 3: two time NCAA All American, you were a five time
Speaker 3: SEC champion, You're an SEC record holder and a two
Speaker 3: time Olympic trial qualifier. But yet on March twenty seventh,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, something changed. What happened on March twenty
Speaker 3: secon On March seventeenth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: That's when Thomas and I race in the two hundred
Speaker 4: freestyle and again resulted in a tie.
Speaker 3: And so you tied. What was the consequence of time?
Speaker 4: We went behind the awards podium more typically, you're handed
Speaker 4: your trophy, you're marched out, you're named an All American.
Speaker 4: And so we go back there and the official looks
Speaker 4: at both Thomas and myself and says, great job butt
Speaker 4: you guys tied and we only have one trophy. Therefore,
Speaker 4: we're giving.
Speaker 5: This trophy to Leah.
Speaker 4: And I questioned this, and I say why, And at
Speaker 4: first I shortened it in my testimony, but really he
Speaker 4: stumbled on his words. He didn't know how to answer this.
Speaker 4: And at first he's, uh, well, we're just doing this
Speaker 4: in chronological order, to which I further pressed and I said, okay, well,
Speaker 4: what are you being chronological about?
Speaker 5: Because we tied, and if we're doing this.
Speaker 4: Off alphabetical order, G comes before T, so what are
Speaker 4: you being chronological about?
Speaker 5: To which this wasn't a.
Speaker 4: Script they had prepared for him, and he actually appreciate
Speaker 4: his honesty. He did say, we have to give the
Speaker 4: trophy for Leah because we Leah has to have it
Speaker 4: for pictures. They've made that clear. Leah has to have
Speaker 4: the trophy for pictures. You can post with this trophy,
Speaker 4: but you have to give yours back. You have to
Speaker 4: go home empty handed. Leah Thomas takes the trophy home.
Speaker 5: End of story.
Speaker 3: Now let me ask you, someone who's competed at the
Speaker 3: elite level and your experience, is there a difference between
Speaker 3: women and men?
Speaker 4: Of course, I think we learned this at a very
Speaker 4: young age, watching even twelve and unders play. Going through
Speaker 4: puberty causes irreversible advantage that no matter the training, no
Speaker 4: matter the diet, no matter any alterable change you can make,
Speaker 4: will overcome that male advantage, especially in sports like swimming
Speaker 4: where lung capacity matters so much. Even something as silly
Speaker 4: as throat size, men have on average a forty percent
Speaker 4: larger throat, which sounds like it's nothing, but when you're
Speaker 4: grasping for air, that forty percent larger throat makes a
Speaker 4: huge difference in athletic success. Not to mention height, you
Speaker 4: guys know the differences.
Speaker 2: Not only did I think that part that that Riley
Speaker 2: was explaining, and just how unfairly she was treated behind
Speaker 2: that stage was just horrific. If you have children, you
Speaker 2: can't I can't imagine watching your daughter be treated this way.
Speaker 2: But then Centater, you also went to something else and
Speaker 2: you said you want to put into the record, and
Speaker 2: it's a study from Duke University, and I want people
Speaker 2: to hear what you said, and I.
Speaker 3: Would like to enter the record. An article from Duke
Speaker 3: Law called comparing athletic performances for the best elite women
Speaker 3: to boys and men, and it goes through examining in
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen the top records for women in the world
Speaker 3: in various track and field events. So, for example, in
Speaker 3: one hundred meter the top record for women in the
Speaker 3: world was ten point seventy one seconds. Now, that record
Speaker 3: for the number one woman in the world in twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen was in the year twenty seventeen broken by one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty four boys under eighteen. In that same year,
Speaker 3: the record for the number one compeding women in the
Speaker 3: hundred yard one hundred meter dash in the world was
Speaker 3: broken by a total of two four hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: four men. If the radical Democrat agenda to destroy girls
Speaker 3: sports and women's sports succeeds, little girls will not have
Speaker 3: a chance to compete. So I ask unanimous consent that
Speaker 3: this article be entered into.
Speaker 5: The record without objection.
Speaker 3: Senator Padia.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the factsier, Senator. And you've got two
Speaker 2: daughters that play sports. If there is not a difference
Speaker 2: that we keep between women's sports and men's sports, women
Speaker 2: will not only cease to exist, they won't even be allowed,
Speaker 2: in essence, I would say, to even compete, and all
Speaker 2: of their records will disappear instantly when men acting like
Speaker 2: women decide to come in and take over, just like
Speaker 2: this one swimmer did, destroying people and records in women's sports.
Speaker 3: Well, and I want you to focus on what that
Speaker 3: study concluded. And by the way, if I had more time,
Speaker 3: I'd run out of time. Those numbers were consistently the
Speaker 3: same for the two hundred meter, for the four hundred meter,
Speaker 3: for sixteen hundred late like at every track and field event,
Speaker 3: that was true at all of them. I just started
Speaker 3: with one hundred meter, but the one hundred meter think
Speaker 3: about it. In twenty seventeen, which was the year the
Speaker 3: study was examining the fastest woman in the world. Grown women,
Speaker 3: more than one hundred teenage boys beat her time. Teenage boys,
Speaker 3: so teenage boys, not eighteen boys under eighteen. More than
Speaker 3: one hundred teenage boys beat the time of the fastest
Speaker 3: woman in the world, and more than two thousand men
Speaker 3: beat her time. If you want to eliminate women's sports,
Speaker 3: then you can embrace the radical democratic agenda of saying,
Speaker 3: let biological males compete against women, and you will see
Speaker 3: girls sports and women's sports disappear. And look, does do
Speaker 3: democrats want to kill girls sports and women's sports. Probably not.
Speaker 3: It's just they care more about this radical trans ideology
Speaker 3: that they do about preserving girls sports and women's sports,
Speaker 3: So they're like, well, yeah, that's an unfortunate consequence, but
Speaker 3: oh well, our ideology matters more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Pandora's box has been open. They don't want to
Speaker 1: shut it.
Speaker 2: They don't want to look like they're shutting it, so
Speaker 2: they're just going to go with its insanity for as
Speaker 2: long as they can. I really hope that when people
Speaker 2: here not only her testimony, but you're questioning that it
Speaker 2: inspires mothers and fathers to stand up for women's sports,
Speaker 2: for girls sports at every single level, and not to
Speaker 2: just stand by and think that this is going to
Speaker 2: somehow just kind of go away.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that it's just going to go away.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to have to make it very
Speaker 2: clear that women's sports must stand alone without men infiltrating
Speaker 2: them and destroying what has been set up to allow
Speaker 2: for women to compete at the highest levels with other
Speaker 2: women and for men to compete at the highest level
Speaker 2: with other men. It's important that we have both categories.
Speaker 1: And when you.
Speaker 2: Start allowing dudes who can't make it, and let's be clear,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened with the swimmer.
Speaker 1: He swam in college and didn't make it.
Speaker 2: So he said, I'm going to go act like a
Speaker 2: woman even though I'm clearly a man, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to win an NCAA title, and they let him, and
Speaker 2: the NCAA cheered him on, and the activist democratic community
Speaker 2: cheered him on as will. And it's destroying women who've
Speaker 2: worked so hard, just like this witness.
Speaker 1: It was amazing testimony.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: And Ben. Let me make a final point on this,
Speaker 3: which is this is not actually about sexual orientation, about
Speaker 3: gays or lesbians. This is not about any of that.
Speaker 3: It's about fairness. It's about basic fairness because, by the way,
Speaker 3: I think it's perfectly fine if a girl wants to
Speaker 3: compete against boys, if she's got the skills, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I mentioned the NBA, maybe one day there will be
Speaker 3: a woman that is skilled enough that she can compete
Speaker 3: in the NBA. That would be pretty cool if it
Speaker 3: could happen. It hasn't happened yet. But look Spudweb. Spudweb
Speaker 3: was what like five six, and you know, he's a
Speaker 3: little short guy who competed in the NBA. He was
Speaker 3: quick enough and he won the slam Dug competition. So
Speaker 3: maybe there will be a woman that has the skills
Speaker 3: to compete against the gigantic men in the NBA. It
Speaker 3: hasn't happened yet. We have seen so college football, there
Speaker 3: have been women that have been field goal kickers. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's fine. It's not unfair. If a woman has the
Speaker 3: skills to compete against boys or men who have a
Speaker 3: physical advantage, and she's able to compete, great. What's unfair
Speaker 3: is taking advantage of the physiological additional strength and advantages
Speaker 3: that boys and men's have to beat girls and women.
Speaker 3: That that's the part that's unfair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2: I remember when a woman for the first time competed
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour, Eric Consortstein. It was amazing. The
Speaker 2: ratings went through the roof right. People cheered it on,
Speaker 2: they wanted to watch it. But if you have one
Speaker 2: hundred men show up next weekend to play on the
Speaker 2: LPGA Tour and take away all of those paychecks from
Speaker 2: women and beat all of those women, that is, as
Speaker 2: you just described it, unfair. I hope moms and dads
Speaker 2: will be inspired by this. I hope they will fight
Speaker 2: for their kids at the local level. And we got
Speaker 2: to keep fighting to protect women's sports. And the sad
Speaker 2: part is the feminists still have not woken up and
Speaker 2: realized that they are not doing their job right now
Speaker 2: protecting women's sports, which they claim to be all about.
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