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Speaker 2: Podcast Network. Hi everybody, and welcome to the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 2: New York Giants. A sweaty John schmel Get a sweaty

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Speaker 2: or Richie Sooibert coming off the practice field there during

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Speaker 2: training camp two thousand and seven Super Bowl champion rich Hawaii, Man,

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Speaker 2: it's good to see you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing awesome, you know. It was good to be back,

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Speaker 1: got to see some of the fans, and for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I get to watch the offensive line practice, right. I

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Speaker 1: always find my way down there to watch those guys

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Speaker 1: when everybody's watching the ball being tossed around. I like

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Speaker 1: watching the big guys work and it was fun. It's

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Speaker 1: fun to be back as hot. But the guys were

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Speaker 1: working hard.

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Speaker 2: So right before camp we saw Andrew Thomas get rewarded

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Speaker 2: for his excellent play and his improvement over the last

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Speaker 2: few years. Your reaction to seeing one of the new

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Speaker 2: age offensive linemen getting.

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Speaker 1: Rewarded for their heart good, right, The guys up front

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Speaker 1: should get paid. We all should get paid, right, everybody

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Speaker 1: that plays the game, she should make it their worth.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for him, happy for him. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: You know, we usually see rich give me your insight.

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Speaker 2: As a former lineman, it takes a couple of years

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Speaker 2: sometimes for guys to figure it out. And frankly we

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Speaker 2: guys to figure out what they're doing. What is it

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Speaker 2: about the offensive line that really going from college in

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Speaker 2: the NFL does need some seasoning before you can kind

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Speaker 1: I think it's just reps, right with the guy you're

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Speaker 1: I think it took me, you know, my third year

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Speaker 1: My first year, I didn't play it all. My second

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Speaker 1: year I started. In my third year, I broke my

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Speaker 1: that system again with coach Coffin and coach Flaherty, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know that offense. But you know, y're one years learning.

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Speaker 1: And it takes time, but you know that group, you

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Speaker 1: can see it working right. They're getting better and better,

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Speaker 1: and I think today they got better in practice. You know,

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Speaker 2: You brought it up rich and I think a lot

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Speaker 2: either aren't familiar with your story with the leg or

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Speaker 2: he got rewarded, got the contract. Unfortunately not here. He

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Speaker 2: great for him. Just talk about what that was like

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Speaker 1: I have the whole team here, right. So I broke

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Speaker 3: But how many total surgeries did you have to have

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned your teammates and playing with your group.

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Speaker 2: It's it's rare to have, you know, kind of a

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Speaker 2: did you know you Kareem, Dave, Chris Sean, what was

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Speaker 3: We generally liked each other, right, surprising giving.

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Speaker 1: We still do. I can show you our text chain'd

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Speaker 1: I can't. We can't show it, but like we we're

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Speaker 2: You talk about that group and how you work so

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Speaker 2: well together. When did it finally start clicking when you

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know when it actually clicked, right.

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Speaker 1: So when when did it happen? I don't know. Like

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Speaker 2: That describe what it's like when you have five guys

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Speaker 2: your prank wars with the quarterback Eli Manning. What was

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Speaker 1: It was fun, right. I think Eli probably got us

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Speaker 2: I shoot the games a lot on Sunday. How much

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Speaker 1: I enjoy going to the games with my family. Right.

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Speaker 2: Two more. It's funny. We were talking about this earlier.

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Speaker 1: That's it, right, find a way that the players will

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Speaker 1: The day a little. I love gap scheme plays. I

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, so TICKI, you should just tell us, right,

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Speaker 1: You just get out there in front of me. So

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Speaker 1: it's in our running backs. Got to set you up.

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Speaker 1: But yes, get back to the power game. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's great, right, little power, a little elves,

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Speaker 3: Sure, rich this was fun man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, catch up with you, Ridgie Cybern by the way,

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Speaker 2: finally for the fans, Sobert or.

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Speaker 3: Cyber Platbertbert said, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Knows me by Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But back in the day, I used to ask you, Charles.

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Speaker 1: Waite messed that up.

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Speaker 2: I don't care, and you would say, call me whatever

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Speaker 2: you want, just don't say my name.

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Speaker 1: So Seibert's correct, Yeah, it's just don't say my name right.

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Speaker 2: Well, that that's for an offensive. I mean, you don't

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Speaker 2: want people to say the name, right, Richie Seubert on

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Speaker 2: the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the

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Speaker 2: Official Bank of the Giants, we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody