Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes, goodness, let's cultural. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at my girl. Whose roots they're they're not even coming in.
Speaker 1: Your hair is sitting thing. The roots are sort of
Speaker 1: like slow fade on the initial growth and then and
Speaker 1: just like that the roots will come in and just
Speaker 1: like that, so and then this is this is my
Speaker 1: impression of my roots in about a week. Hey, it's
Speaker 1: j Das a k A. Your roots a k A.
Speaker 1: They're going to be a national topic. Okay, we should
Speaker 1: we do a ch d As update now or I
Speaker 1: feel like we need to get get our guests in.
Speaker 1: I feel like our guests will have a lot to say.
Speaker 1: But I mean, look, our guest is truly like a
Speaker 1: contributor to the conversation. So I'm not going to guess
Speaker 1: the conversation without Yeah, absolutely, so should we just just
Speaker 1: housekeeping personal check in before we get the guests in here?
Speaker 1: So your roots are I think that when I can
Speaker 1: actually start to see them poking out now and in
Speaker 1: a tasteful way, in a tasteful way, and I have
Speaker 1: to say, you know, I actually think that they are
Speaker 1: going to enhance the look we'll see about that. I
Speaker 1: just think my hair is too short in order for
Speaker 1: the roots to be like, you know, to hit a
Speaker 1: nice golden ratio. Ever, like I think this is this
Speaker 1: is the one time it'll look good housekeeping, Speaking of which,
Speaker 1: I have owned my own ee lits. You have your
Speaker 1: own e lit My own is across the room from
Speaker 1: me right now, and it is the four wick Zen.
Speaker 1: When it's gigantic, it is the size of like a baby.
Speaker 1: It's a big baby. And can I tell you I
Speaker 1: ordered too, and the way I had to sort of
Speaker 1: like get my workout in carrying them down the hall
Speaker 1: because I ordered one for me personal and then one
Speaker 1: for Studie Green personal as well personal. You know, I
Speaker 1: had a moment today. I don't know why. I I
Speaker 1: don't know why this came over me, but I thought,
Speaker 1: I need to reconnect with n Len. I need to
Speaker 1: consume Wendy Cepo interviews. And I did, and you did.
Speaker 1: I just watched like her on you know, Wendy with
Speaker 1: um was it Michael Rapport? Oh yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: the iconic interview. But like I am, I a Nicky fan.
Speaker 1: Pull up on the Sri Lanka? What she really pulled
Speaker 1: up on this Reri Lanka for that, and I can't
Speaker 1: believe that happened and we didn't even bring it up. Well,
Speaker 1: we had so much to talk about with her, and
Speaker 1: I think she was she was still when we talked
Speaker 1: to her. I think she was still figuring out how
Speaker 1: she was going to respond and react to the memification
Speaker 1: of that moment, because when you get memified, that's really
Speaker 1: a moment we have to take stock. Well, it's personal
Speaker 1: and you and it's fully your decision as the subject.
Speaker 1: Ever mean to go, how do I want to show
Speaker 1: the world? How do I do this? I know? Cake parts? Um,
Speaker 1: so what about you? What about you? Queen girl? Whatever?
Speaker 1: I mean? What's going on? I I'm sort of like
Speaker 1: hashtag back in the gym, hashtag sleeping full nights, hashtag
Speaker 1: skincare trying to get it all together so I can
Speaker 1: go shoot a television program. This is very exciting. Think
Speaker 1: about that. That's really all that's going on. I'm sort
Speaker 1: of like I Actually, I have to say, sometimes being
Speaker 1: boring is my favorite thing to be. Okay, did Gogain?
Speaker 1: I went. I went out a couple of times, but
Speaker 1: called it relatively early. These days, I'm sort of just
Speaker 1: sleeping a lot, taking care of myself, working out, trying
Speaker 1: to bring it back to me. Okay, back to me,
Speaker 1: back to me, back to me, back to me. We're
Speaker 1: ferencing the icon Lindsay lohand song back to me. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of sounding like her. You absolutely, yes, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing because it is not easy to do to
Speaker 1: do a Lindsay impression when she's singing back to me,
Speaker 1: so good, so good. One of the great vocalists, I think,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson, Kelly Lohan, Jojo Jojo see sorry, the Mount
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Speaker 1: to implore the readers. Send in your drawings of the
Speaker 1: Mount rud Roaring singing, drawings of sings, Send in your
Speaker 1: drawings of the Mount Rushmore singing. It's Jennifer Hudson, Kelly Clarkson,
Speaker 1: Jojo Seawa, and Lindsay Lohan. That is the Mount Rushmore
Speaker 1: vocalists can't wait to see because some of the readers
Speaker 1: are such incredible artists. They really are. That's not that's
Speaker 1: no joke. That is no joke. I don't joke. I
Speaker 1: don't joke. Culture Number fourteen. I don't Jojo, I what nothing,
Speaker 1: Let's bring the guests then, I feel, let's bring the
Speaker 1: guests in. I feel this guest someone who you meet
Speaker 1: and you go, now, who is that? Who is that
Speaker 1: that I met? I think this person, I think this
Speaker 1: person is very powerful because I think about the striking,
Speaker 1: striking in intellect and wit, in warmth, in physicality and beauty.
Speaker 1: The first traps have been on another level as as
Speaker 1: of late. And if you think we're not going to
Speaker 1: talk about it, then you're dead wrong. What do you
Speaker 1: think this is? You're dead, You're deeply mistaken. This guest
Speaker 1: is an incredible writer, an incredible podcast host of Like
Speaker 1: a Virgin with the one and Only Rose, with the
Speaker 1: one only Rose, damn you, and a former guest of
Speaker 1: the show. For my guest of the show. Our guest
Speaker 1: has done and I don't think so, honey, before an
Speaker 1: iconic one. This is so, This is so, and I
Speaker 1: think you should really listen to Like a Virgin if
Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast. Let's say, if you'll listen
Speaker 1: to this podcast and you feel that you enjoy it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna enjoy Like a Virgin. Oh maybe even more,
Speaker 1: maybe even more. Hey, as the iconic, legendary drag. Queen
Speaker 1: Kennedy Davenport one said, fuck my drag. She didn't who
Speaker 1: who could forget? Who could forget? You know what? You know? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I've been saying okay, sorry really quickly. I've been
Speaker 1: saying it work. Say that in front of Miss Sarah Sherman,
Speaker 1: and she knows what it means, but she will append
Speaker 1: to it and go say that ten times fast. So
Speaker 1: anytime I say say that, she goes say that time
Speaker 1: times fast, which I think is the perfect addendum to that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're so excited. Please welcome friends, Welcome to the arena. Bit,
Speaker 1: welcome to the arena. Oh my god, thank you. You
Speaker 1: know they're really there must have been some mix up.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be introduced as Shade As my
Speaker 1: given name. Let me imagine being named Shade Das right now,
Speaker 1: Like that's gonna be so it's going to be such
Speaker 1: a panic, imagine daily panic on top of the panic
Speaker 1: of being like a Latin non binary stoner podcaster. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my lawyers will be in touch. I could not. It
Speaker 1: is representation that I did not ask for, right it
Speaker 1: is it? Is it fun house me? Or is it
Speaker 1: something that you reject as a reflection of yourself, Like
Speaker 1: what how do you process Jay? You know, Um, what's
Speaker 1: interesting is I I genuinely love the show, like the reboot,
Speaker 1: I am. It is appointment television. I am enjoying every second.
Speaker 1: It's very fun. It's maybe more fun to talk about
Speaker 1: than it is to watch. Sometimes, Um, given like I
Speaker 1: mean the double vomit we just last week. It's like
Speaker 1: one of those moments. But it was a roller coaster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a roller coaster, but I mean the shadeas
Speaker 1: of it all. You know, I was honestly I should
Speaker 1: have just like an enacted and been a version of
Speaker 1: shadeas this. If I had the improvisational skills, I should
Speaker 1: have just done this interview as Shade, which I think
Speaker 1: you would have. You would pull off with the plum. Well,
Speaker 1: you know it's hard because you know, Cha is just
Speaker 1: such a such a complex character. You know, all you
Speaker 1: need to do is mentioned weed every third sentence about
Speaker 1: how you've been smoking weed. So I don't know doing weed?
Speaker 1: We have we have to hear. It cannot be overstated.
Speaker 1: They don't smoke weed in this family. I mean just
Speaker 1: like that, they do weed a lot of it. In fact, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: we can possibly remember d m s. They've been doing
Speaker 1: a lot of weed. That's honestly, I since the show
Speaker 1: has started, I've been truly unable to think about like
Speaker 1: literally anything else other than Shadeas. It's like I think
Speaker 1: part of like this like kind of caricature is like
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I wasn't surprised to learn that
Speaker 1: there were like no Latin or non binary writers and
Speaker 1: the writers because she is so like a an amalgam
Speaker 1: of like our collective imagination of like what a non
Speaker 1: binary person might be, you know, because like she has
Speaker 1: like this like um shock jock personality, yes Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: slash Jennifer Aniston in Morning Show kind of vibe, but
Speaker 1: then like thank you. But then like this is a
Speaker 1: cinematic universe. But then they still have like the revelatory
Speaker 1: like gender speeches of like Nett and then like dated
Speaker 1: drag language like step your pussy up and like yes queen,
Speaker 1: and like it's like who is this person? Like I
Speaker 1: believe that insufferable non binary people exists, Like we we
Speaker 1: know those people, but like it's it's such a mishmash
Speaker 1: of like things. Well, Gawker did a whole piece about
Speaker 1: how to day j DS is perfect because it is
Speaker 1: depicting the way that all comedians are very annoying, and
Speaker 1: we can we agree. And I think that is and
Speaker 1: and and I think I think it was Olivia craig
Speaker 1: Head who said, like, you know, Sara Amirz is doing
Speaker 1: a perfect portrayal of this character. It's not that Sarah
Speaker 1: amirs is like butchering the acting. It's that they are
Speaker 1: actually accurately essentializing the way that all comedians or any
Speaker 1: comedian period, slash podcaster or slash whatever person in that
Speaker 1: space is obnoxious by default. I don't feel the need
Speaker 1: to be self effacing about this. Actually I'm not that annoying.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I consider myself to be pretty annoying, but
Speaker 1: you're not that annoying. Now, I'm nowhere near as annoying
Speaker 1: as j das And I'm actually gonna step out and
Speaker 1: bravely state that because I actually don't think we need
Speaker 1: to in any way knock ourselves in the conversation around
Speaker 1: j d S. J daz is. Here's another thing that
Speaker 1: strikes me. Any character that's like, well, I'm really it
Speaker 1: at sex. It's been a thing, how good they are
Speaker 1: at sex, and I'm just kind of like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is this. It's just I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: how to take it anymore. I'm with you, fran it
Speaker 1: is appointment television for me. And when I get on
Speaker 1: here week after week and explain the third graders and
Speaker 1: their endeavors and like how they keep heightening and how
Speaker 1: they keep deepening, and how they keep challenging not just
Speaker 1: themselves but also the status quo and the culture. I
Speaker 1: want to make it clear I'm not knocking the show necessarily,
Speaker 1: because I do think that a large part of entertainment is,
Speaker 1: especially in the year of Our Lord two, is watchability.
Speaker 1: How we provoked the conversation is the conversation. Unfortunately, Wow,
Speaker 1: can't believe they said doing weed. Yes, but it is
Speaker 1: a conversation nonetheless, and we are here and we are
Speaker 1: having it. And as we barrel towards the finale, and
Speaker 1: we are barreling towards a three weeks I think than
Speaker 1: three and I don't think I've been this excited for
Speaker 1: a finale since The Morning Show Season two. Well, I
Speaker 1: am deeply sad that it's about to end. I am
Speaker 1: actually very sad that it's about me too, I'm not ready.
Speaker 1: I think that, Like, I have enjoyed the show a ton.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the reason that people are
Speaker 1: like so hot and bothered about this specifically is because
Speaker 1: the show has so much else going on, Like it
Speaker 1: really is a part of this like very bizarre like
Speaker 1: kind of next issue of like next gen reboots, you know,
Speaker 1: like we had like you know, the Will and Grace
Speaker 1: and l Ward and like Tales of the City kind
Speaker 1: of like reboots that do this thing that we call
Speaker 1: on food for thought, woke whack a mole where they
Speaker 1: really try to hit every single corner of like justice culture.
Speaker 1: And I think if it was just Shay, like we
Speaker 1: could be like, oh, that's like an annoying character, like
Speaker 1: I too identify with a not that annoying community. I
Speaker 1: think it's really brave of you to to platform I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm here, and I'm stating it. I'm here. I'm not
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not that annoying, um, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that, like, because the show has all these
Speaker 1: other things that are also kind of just as annoying
Speaker 1: as say, it's like a part of the Amalgament's like
Speaker 1: we can't ignore it, like I can't not be mad
Speaker 1: about this, you know. Can I say something very um,
Speaker 1: very egocentric? Oh please? I watched this recent episode when
Speaker 1: Shake came on the screen, and I thought, oh my god,
Speaker 1: is that what someone thinks I am? Like some like
Speaker 1: they think I as just like let's just say, like queer,
Speaker 1: POC podcast or comedian? Do they think like I do?
Speaker 1: I read the same? Am I the same sort of
Speaker 1: legibility as Chay? Like am? I'm like like, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's what freaks me on as like like see
Speaker 1: like people like will grossly misinterpret me as being that
Speaker 1: when I too am not that I actually want to
Speaker 1: walk back my thing about being annoying, but all comedians
Speaker 1: being annoying. I also am proudly in the not that
Speaker 1: annoying community. Can I say that? Can we place ourselves there?
Speaker 1: And I think both of you are. I don't sure
Speaker 1: I would say, well, this is just to respond to
Speaker 1: what you're saying. What you're saying though, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that that character is supposed to represent now
Speaker 1: more than I'm wanting the more I'm watching it, I
Speaker 1: don't think that Cha is supposed to represent more than Cha.
Speaker 1: I think they do because they're all of these things.
Speaker 1: There are a podcast, or they're a comedian, they're non binary,
Speaker 1: e POC like and like they leave their stone and
Speaker 1: they lead with all of these you know everything about changing,
Speaker 1: you know, you know nothing about them, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what's so remarkable about Chay as
Speaker 1: a character. I don't think there is anything annoying about
Speaker 1: being a queer podcast. That's not what I think. There's
Speaker 1: everything annoying about CHA because Cha is constantly talking about
Speaker 1: how much they smoke, the pussy they they eat, like
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's getting to the point where it's
Speaker 1: just like, oh, okay, so we're actually we're what we're
Speaker 1: saying is not just straight male comedians. We're now saying, actually,
Speaker 1: you know who else is can be this annoying clears.
Speaker 1: Cleears are sometimes even worse because you have to figure
Speaker 1: out how to talk to him too. At least with
Speaker 1: this great male podcast for who Munch is rug and
Speaker 1: it is always talking about it, at least we know
Speaker 1: them in the culture. Now we have to say, you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, they're annoying. The I couldn't the
Speaker 1: pronounced joke was such a lot. I just feel I
Speaker 1: kind of I'm feeling like halves of what both of
Speaker 1: y'all are saying. Like I feel like, you know, this
Speaker 1: show is trying to create a conversation around women in
Speaker 1: their fifties, and any conversation, any show about a generation,
Speaker 1: if it's a sitcom, is going to make fun of
Speaker 1: the other generations, you know, a given And so you
Speaker 1: see the ways that it creeps in, like the way
Speaker 1: that it kind of critiques woke culture or whatever, but
Speaker 1: in it like kind of critiques itself. I think that
Speaker 1: there is a lot of like smart writing mixed in
Speaker 1: with like a lot of bad choices. You know, Like
Speaker 1: I personally am like really interested in like white people
Speaker 1: trying to write about whiteness, trying to like kind of
Speaker 1: implicate themselves in the problems or like funny things about whiteness.
Speaker 1: So I was actually like really jazz when the show started.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just one too many things where
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, like who smokes a ball in an elevator?
Speaker 1: You know what? I was that piece. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've never said anything like this before. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like vape grow up. And then when it when
Speaker 1: it fell apart in three pieces. At the funeral, I
Speaker 1: was like, what is this contraption anyway? Maybe maybe maybe
Speaker 1: just like get a one hitter or something. Bra it
Speaker 1: was so confusing. I mean, as I said earlier, I
Speaker 1: have been unable to think about everything else, and because
Speaker 1: I have worm brain, I listened to not one, but
Speaker 1: two companion podcasts about and just like that, I'm consuming
Speaker 1: everything about this and unfortunately learned that I mean not
Speaker 1: just that there are no latiner non binary writers, but
Speaker 1: that mp K did attend a panel of trans and
Speaker 1: gender non conforming people to learn more about the non
Speaker 1: binary experience, didn't hire them, but didn't hire them. Um yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like proud of you for you know, doing the
Speaker 1: work or whatever. We I actually, just before I forget
Speaker 1: the double vomit what was very well done, I thought,
Speaker 1: and that I thought it was great. We have to
Speaker 1: give kudos to a new Valia who directed that episode.
Speaker 1: Do you know the btst about that vomit scene? Have
Speaker 1: you heard of this? This is from that? Yes, this
Speaker 1: is the podcast knowledge So um, when when they were
Speaker 1: trying to pull off this fake vomit stunt in the
Speaker 1: magic of TV, you know it's a long plastic tube
Speaker 1: that is taped to s jps like neck, okay, and
Speaker 1: you know, the tube goes down the block and these
Speaker 1: like dudes are pumping fake vomit out the side of
Speaker 1: her face to create this illusion as if she's vomiting um.
Speaker 1: The people they hired apparently were not amazing at their jobs.
Speaker 1: MPK said that they were fired after and they couldn't
Speaker 1: get the vomit to actually work to like actually shoot
Speaker 1: out of the pipe. And after like trying to get
Speaker 1: this to trying to get this thing to work over
Speaker 1: and over again. S JP turns director and goes to
Speaker 1: take off the tape, take off the tubes, take off everything,
Speaker 1: give me the vomit. She takes a two leader bottle
Speaker 1: a fake vomit, chugs it and does the vomiting herself.
Speaker 1: And MPKA said that the second vomit that she does
Speaker 1: is all one take. She had a trap door a
Speaker 1: vomit to vomit a second time, and that is acting
Speaker 1: as JP is one of the grades. I cannot believe
Speaker 1: she did not. I was in my jaw, is on
Speaker 1: the floor. I have to walk this back a second.
Speaker 1: She usually vomited. No no, no, no no, no no. I
Speaker 1: refused to believe this is true. It is you're telling
Speaker 1: me that she chugged what? So can I say? This is?
Speaker 1: I just recently had to vomit profusely in a project, okay,
Speaker 1: and they give you a couple options of different things
Speaker 1: that you can pretend to vomit. I don't believe for
Speaker 1: a second that Sarah Jessica Parker, amazing actress as she is,
Speaker 1: actually consumed the stuff that they give you and then
Speaker 1: actually vomited. So what we're seeing is real vomit? Can
Speaker 1: I tell you? It looked real? When I said, I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, something about s JP throw up looks real?
Speaker 1: You know. Let me tell you, Matt, I too did
Speaker 1: not want to believe it. I listened to this exchange
Speaker 1: multiple times. It is straight from MPK mouth. She chugged
Speaker 1: the fake vomit, and I guess threw that up or
Speaker 1: something or maybe I don't know. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of vomit, he said. And you know, I I choose
Speaker 1: to believe it because I believe women there is there's
Speaker 1: such an easier way to do that though, which is
Speaker 1: just no. But she wanted to give it that velocity,
Speaker 1: that motion, that cannesthesia like velocity. She wanted it to
Speaker 1: look like vomit projectiling out of her mouth. What you
Speaker 1: cannot do, Matt, and you know this pulsive. I know
Speaker 1: I did it. And don't you say that I didn't
Speaker 1: do it because I didn't do it. But you understood happen,
Speaker 1: and don't be fresh with me, girl, listen, don't tell
Speaker 1: is a low ceiling. I'm saying, this is not your
Speaker 1: limit to your ability. Every human being can only hold
Speaker 1: so much fluid in their mouth to simulate vomit for
Speaker 1: an acting scene. S JP was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: transcend that limit and actually ingest this fake prop vomit
Speaker 1: so that I can control when it comes out. And
Speaker 1: with this speed at which it does, that feels like
Speaker 1: an unsafe working Atmosphere's That's what I'm saying. That business
Speaker 1: for thirty five plus years there was there was a
Speaker 1: toxic culture on set. There was a culture. I guess
Speaker 1: we'll find out. I guess that's finally revealed. This is
Speaker 1: going to be revealed. I wanted to ask you, as
Speaker 1: someone who just said you're interested in white people writing
Speaker 1: about whiteness, and you're sort of observing this happened on
Speaker 1: this show. What did you think of white lotus. I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it, really did I. I I
Speaker 1: thought that there was a lot of really salient criticism
Speaker 1: about it. Um that people were kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about how the music used in it and the
Speaker 1: way that the island was used to film and all
Speaker 1: the different stuff was like not you know, very kosher,
Speaker 1: and that there should have been a writer's room for
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. But I think that people were
Speaker 1: kind of putting too much on it to be an
Speaker 1: actual critique of whiteness. It was a mystery. It was
Speaker 1: like and you know, and Agatha Christie like, you know,
Speaker 1: white Mystery, and like I think that, like, on face value,
Speaker 1: that's like what it was, and like people thought it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be this brilliant critique of whiteness. I
Speaker 1: just think it had like really I thought accurate like
Speaker 1: jokes about woke culture, but those were just like a
Speaker 1: byproduct of what the show actually was. I don't know
Speaker 1: what do y'all think. I do want to say. I
Speaker 1: guess the Christie White Mystery is the front good to know,
Speaker 1: Good to Know? Um, I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: the woke commentary was placed on the teens, mostly or
Speaker 1: and I guess Connie Britain's Chared, I mean, like that
Speaker 1: was like the central sort of like locusts for it.
Speaker 1: I didn't, I guess. I guess my only thought was
Speaker 1: that it could have been like if if it might
Speaker 1: have been more satisfying for people like talking about it,
Speaker 1: if like that was more evenly distributed. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I think that people were trying to
Speaker 1: put like the show's intention into it, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that's like really what the show is trying to do.
Speaker 1: I think that was just a tool that the show,
Speaker 1: you was to tell a story that was, you know,
Speaker 1: a mystery. But I totally loved it, loved every second
Speaker 1: of it. I thought the ending was not amazing, but
Speaker 1: you know, I probably couldn't stick the landing better. It
Speaker 1: was like, really, there's a lot, I mean, endings are hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was again as I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: as we barrel towards the end, just like the finale.
Speaker 1: I actually I was watching Watch What Happens Live the
Speaker 1: other night and they had Nicole are Parker on the show,
Speaker 1: who plays the iconic Sesame Street character lt w Um
Speaker 1: and and they asked her. She get a question from
Speaker 1: the audience like what did you think of the finale
Speaker 1: and what can fans expect? And she got this, by
Speaker 1: the way, one of the most beautiful women's on the
Speaker 1: planet Earth. It is crazy, but she gets this glimmer
Speaker 1: in her eye and she said, well, um, let's just
Speaker 1: say that I think that the fans are going to
Speaker 1: be really, really excited. And I was like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: If Samantha comes back at the end of the finale
Speaker 1: of and just like that, this will go down in
Speaker 1: history as the best season of television. It would be unreal.
Speaker 1: It would be more satisfying emotional than you know, Toby
Speaker 1: and Andrew Garfield inspider me in the Way Home. For me,
Speaker 1: it would trespasses. Okay, I love Toby and in No
Speaker 1: Way Home though, but yeah, I agree it was that somehow, somehow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I loved I love No Way Home though. It
Speaker 1: was so loved. I love the honestly now leading competitor
Speaker 1: for maybe most homo erotic Marvel film in the m CU.
Speaker 1: Like maybe we were literally just talking about this with
Speaker 1: Joel on the podcast booster Um, But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: No Way Home is is up there. What do y'all
Speaker 1: think because you are m C U can't love MC
Speaker 1: you the way that UM like they found that when
Speaker 1: they go back and like, UM, Andrew Garfield and told
Speaker 1: McGuire are just like hanging on each other. I was like,
Speaker 1: first of all, and I want to say this, and
Speaker 1: I want I know I'm with my sisters when I
Speaker 1: say this. The sexual activities that I would like to
Speaker 1: participate in with Andrew Garfield range from they're They're numerous.
Speaker 1: I would like to have every I like to explore
Speaker 1: parts of myself I never knew I I want to
Speaker 1: stop short by saying specifically what it is, but because
Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't want to sound on
Speaker 1: couth on toward. But let's just say that. I when
Speaker 1: he appeared on screen a spider Man and started talking
Speaker 1: with his little mouth, I was like, he is so hot.
Speaker 1: And I used to be on this big Sebastian stand
Speaker 1: kick and I have to say, Andrew Garfield has taken
Speaker 1: my number one spot. He's so hot, he's so good,
Speaker 1: he's so good a tick boom, he was so good
Speaker 1: in No Way Home. I'm obsessed with Andrew Garfield. I
Speaker 1: love him. He's so good. I really like I loved
Speaker 1: how to Me, Like, I love that all the Spider
Speaker 1: Man's were kind of playing like a a very different
Speaker 1: like Spider Man, but I love that like Andrew Garfields
Speaker 1: was kind of this like like guys, like, what's like
Speaker 1: this sensitive kind of like oh there were my feelings
Speaker 1: kind of like it was so like nuance. It was
Speaker 1: very like fan servicing, but like there was nothing about
Speaker 1: it that I disliked. Like I just like loved every
Speaker 1: second of the this like three Spider Man exchange Joel
Speaker 1: Joel Kim Booster has said that it is not a movie,
Speaker 1: that it is just like a theme park ride, and
Speaker 1: I am totally okay with that. It is the first,
Speaker 1: you know, um Marvel movie to use only a meme
Speaker 1: as its source material, like Spider Man's pointing at each other.
Speaker 1: It really just went for it and that I knew,
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to rectifying source material, brave,
Speaker 1: very well done. Can I just say this is what
Speaker 1: No Way Home gets right, And this is what this
Speaker 1: is what I tend to actually enjoy about reboots, And
Speaker 1: this is why maybe sex maybe this this is wh
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just like that it's kind of like not
Speaker 1: really being neither right way all the time. Even though
Speaker 1: I also love it and I'm so excited for the finale,
Speaker 1: I'm very sad that it's ending. Final Fantasy seven is
Speaker 1: one of the best games of all time, you consider
Speaker 1: when the best games of all time they rebooted it.
Speaker 1: It took like twenty plus years to reboot completely ground
Speaker 1: up PS four remake. And the story changes have to
Speaker 1: do with like, all of a sudden, there's there are
Speaker 1: all these hooded ghosts that like swirl around you at
Speaker 1: various points in the story, and you're like, who the
Speaker 1: hell are these people? What are they supposed to do?
Speaker 1: And they keep like writing the story, they keep like, um,
Speaker 1: anytime the story deviates from the original, these hooded people
Speaker 1: come into like set it back to what it was.
Speaker 1: And then you find out in the end that like
Speaker 1: they're supposed to represent the fans, they represent the fans
Speaker 1: of the original game too, like to be like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like this is a presence in the game, there's no
Speaker 1: way you like right out the discourse around something that's
Speaker 1: so beloved, and so you have to basically like incorporate
Speaker 1: it somehow into the story. And I feel like no
Speaker 1: way home does that, And way, and and just like
Speaker 1: that maybe doesn't I don't know what I'm getting at,
Speaker 1: but like, there's something very satisfying about acknowledging the fans.
Speaker 1: There's something cool about fans service. A fan service is
Speaker 1: not like bad on its face. I don't think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it's like intrinsically cheap
Speaker 1: at all. Like I thought that everything that was done
Speaker 1: in No Way Home was like so earned, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I agree, yeah, And I also think
Speaker 1: we're at the point now with these films where they
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge the Like this movie I think actually
Speaker 1: was acknowledging and commenting on the fandom. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what the multiverse is. It's about how you do return
Speaker 1: to these characters in different iterations all these times, and
Speaker 1: how in a way, like our opinion on one is
Speaker 1: affected by the other. And so this is that in practice,
Speaker 1: you know, it's these worlds actually colliding because you know,
Speaker 1: we as fans of Spider Man or whatever, um, you know,
Speaker 1: we do that all the time in our heads and
Speaker 1: our heads and our discussions of them. Know, it is
Speaker 1: just pure fun. But I also do think it does
Speaker 1: serve as a useful installment of the m c U.
Speaker 1: It just was it was just different. And also you
Speaker 1: can you can remember this film in a way that
Speaker 1: you're not going to remember a lot of the other ones,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think that they do
Speaker 1: have to get inventive in bold with these things. And
Speaker 1: even if people think, well, that's just fans service on
Speaker 1: face value, like I have to break it to you,
Speaker 1: like these are superhero movies, Like they are made to
Speaker 1: service the fans like that, that's that is why they
Speaker 1: are made. And so people you know, coming in with
Speaker 1: the criticism of this is one of my least favorite
Speaker 1: m CU movies because it's just a theme park ride,
Speaker 1: Like what what would you consider the other ones? Like
Speaker 1: what what was Black Widow if not a theme park ride?
Speaker 1: What is The Avengers exactly if not a theme park ride?
Speaker 1: Like I understand that people might place certain um films
Speaker 1: that you know, have like a tour directors or like whatever,
Speaker 1: Like you know, someone might be a fucking Eternal Stint
Speaker 1: because they love what Chloe Esau did with it, But
Speaker 1: you know that was less of a theme park ride.
Speaker 1: So so it's different strokes. I guess. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's my thing with reboots is like I think something
Speaker 1: that I loved about No Way Home is that I
Speaker 1: think if you're gonna do like a reboot of any
Speaker 1: kind or like bring back things, it's like you need
Speaker 1: to like kind of radically reimagine it. And a lot
Speaker 1: of these like kind of reboots so to speak, are
Speaker 1: just not doing that at all. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: obviously it's like complicated if like the original thing was
Speaker 1: like a little problematic in some way because trying to
Speaker 1: like rectify that, you know, creates another the city I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, I mean, I'm talking about sex in the city.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like West Side Story. Honestly, I like that,
Speaker 1: which I a movie that I loved but like walked
Speaker 1: away with it being like what was revised? And like
Speaker 1: for who? And like how like I It's like I
Speaker 1: think I get really like interested in like I don't
Speaker 1: know how um we verify authenticity versus like representation versus
Speaker 1: like what will gets what won't get you canceled versus
Speaker 1: like what is just you know, good TV but it's
Speaker 1: just a good story. And I think that people don't
Speaker 1: understand that there's no resolute point to any of those things,
Speaker 1: and that's why we're always going to disagree on them.
Speaker 1: And if it's like for a specifically marginalized community, like
Speaker 1: lack of visibility and scarcity mentality gives us this like
Speaker 1: lizard brain that compels us to tweet like the meanest
Speaker 1: things about it, and like that's not the creator's fault,
Speaker 1: but it is like a responsibility that you now have
Speaker 1: if you're going to like make this thing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I agree? I agree. Wow, I'm getting
Speaker 1: really excited now about Samantha, you know, And I don't
Speaker 1: mean to I don't mean to throw that out there.
Speaker 1: And then obviously because the odds of it happening are
Speaker 1: so low and also that it wouldn't be leaked is crazy.
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking to myself, they've now batted her
Speaker 1: around so many times, like the like if you know
Speaker 1: Chekhov's gun babe, Like it just is what it is.
Speaker 1: And I mean, honestly, what's really going to happen is
Speaker 1: Samantha's going to enter the m c O and and
Speaker 1: Kim Control is gonna be I don't know, like some
Speaker 1: sex robot or something like that. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I will be there for it I am,
Speaker 1: I have something to report. Oh yeah, I took it
Speaker 1: upon myself to directly text a new Is this rumor
Speaker 1: true that SJB checked the vomit for the actual takes
Speaker 1: we're discussing on Los culture is just at this very moment,
Speaker 1: I said, incredible episode. She goes, she's currently the speech
Speaker 1: bubble is in the ellipsis, but she goes, O MG, Bowen,
Speaker 1: this is an actual, real, true thing. I will I
Speaker 1: will tell you more as I information as I receive it.
Speaker 1: But she's currently texting me I think amissive about what
Speaker 1: happened on that day. You are blowing my mind. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy, but you you introduced I would not have
Speaker 1: known about this if you didn't tell us. It's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, it's she deserves and egot, she is one
Speaker 1: of we. We have repeatedly said on this podcast, you
Speaker 1: cannot deny what she is doing. And look for all
Speaker 1: the big swings that are happening with the show, Carrie
Speaker 1: Bradshaw is still she suffered and she is she is
Speaker 1: still that girl. She remains that girl. And when every
Speaker 1: episode ends and you're still on the journey with Carrie,
Speaker 1: I'm still like, Okay, great. I'm still here. I'm still
Speaker 1: on board because it is Carrie bradst of Parker doing
Speaker 1: what the other girls really said that they would do
Speaker 1: and then didn't. But because so so all the sort
Speaker 1: of craziness with the Miranda storyline, like the sort of
Speaker 1: the betrayal, like that is happening with Steve, you know,
Speaker 1: to see him flop around that farmer's market. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just it was just too much for me personally.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just not this is not
Speaker 1: what I signed up for here. But Steve is just
Speaker 1: way too hot for that. It's just it's not it's
Speaker 1: not believable that someone named Steve could be so like
Speaker 1: Steck sexless and that he and that that's sexual energy
Speaker 1: that he gives when you buck like that in the
Speaker 1: year two one doesn't like like like he didn't forget
Speaker 1: how to funk? I'm sorry, like, like it's it's not
Speaker 1: it's not a world I want to live in. It's
Speaker 1: not a place I'm willing to go with the show.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to a place of Steve forgot
Speaker 1: how to fuck. Miranda's over it. Let's just have Miranda
Speaker 1: be over it. If Miranda is going to decide that
Speaker 1: she is ready to move on to a new chapter
Speaker 1: of her life. That's fine, but stop making Steve look
Speaker 1: like this, like fucking clown. Yeah, poor Steve, Steve. I
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what. The something that the
Speaker 1: reboot is doing is Charlotte has become my favorite character
Speaker 1: wanting I'm not joking, I'm not joking. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: I think listen the episode where she is acquiring, if
Speaker 1: not mere kidnapping black people to diversify her friend group
Speaker 1: was kind of egregious. However, she has given I've laughed
Speaker 1: the most, I've lulled the most at like Charlotte jokes.
Speaker 1: I think that her fillers are adding to her character.
Speaker 1: I think you riching, enriching the experience of her line delivery.
Speaker 1: I was never a Charlotte fan, was never a Charlotte
Speaker 1: stand and something about this reboot, I'm kind of into it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So she's still your least favorite because because you you
Speaker 1: see yourself in her or and you assenta, no, it's
Speaker 1: not that, you bitch. What I would say is I
Speaker 1: just you'll like Charlotte. She's always been the one that's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to learn, but it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: you would know this, like like her stumbling into ltw's
Speaker 1: party and immediately barreling over to the woman and being like,
Speaker 1: hey girl, it's you, and then that's not me. And
Speaker 1: then the the when when when he said, um so,
Speaker 1: who who's read Zadie Smith? I'm like, this is like
Speaker 1: this is this feels too much for me again dumbing
Speaker 1: them down too far. It's not even dumbing them down.
Speaker 1: I think, like, no, this is perfect. This is a
Speaker 1: perfect example for Charlotte to know like z D. Smith
Speaker 1: and to know, like be very familiar about the work
Speaker 1: of like black artists, like the way that she sort
Speaker 1: of like schools everybody like schools LTWS mother in law
Speaker 1: about like that piece being like an investment, Like you
Speaker 1: must have somewhat of a nuanced like view on race
Speaker 1: to not then recruit black people to come your dinner party,
Speaker 1: Like that's what like is dissonant to me. But but Charlotte,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I can't. I haven't made up
Speaker 1: my mind on her and about Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: episode was like unforgivable. I had a really hard time
Speaker 1: with it, not necessarily because it was like an unrealistic
Speaker 1: thing for her to go through. I think that's like
Speaker 1: a problem that white people deal with, Like sure like
Speaker 1: about it, but like but like, um, it was just
Speaker 1: at no point was it explained that her behavior was abhorrent.
Speaker 1: And so when she told LTW like oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm like this is what I did, she was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: go off, queen. It was like, what, like that was
Speaker 1: my issue with it? It was I was just like
Speaker 1: I really would have appreciated a moment where lt W
Speaker 1: would have just been like really lame like these like
Speaker 1: we're not just like props for you at a dinner party,
Speaker 1: like even if you were trying to make it comfort
Speaker 1: comfortable for me, Like what about her? And then what
Speaker 1: did you end up disinviting her? Because I couldn't go,
Speaker 1: like you lied to this woman, Like I just feel
Speaker 1: like I I don't buy LTW because she was like
Speaker 1: just the way she reacted, I was I just couldn't understand.
Speaker 1: And I was like, how are we in fact challenging
Speaker 1: Charlotte as a character if she's not going to like
Speaker 1: answer for her actions in this episode in any way?
Speaker 1: How what in what way are we seeing the development
Speaker 1: of this character If this white woman gets away with
Speaker 1: doing this like stupid ship exactly. So that episode, Like,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I think like Charlotte is
Speaker 1: a character where she's like, I'm going to get an
Speaker 1: A on my an a plus on my report card
Speaker 1: and ask for extra credit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So of course when like this like cultural wave hits her,
Speaker 1: she thinks that's something that she can win. So, you know,
Speaker 1: even in this last episode where she like randomly dropped
Speaker 1: a Demilovado quote, I was like, in my head, I
Speaker 1: was like that was wild. But then I like went
Speaker 1: back further and I was like, well, if Charlotte's trying
Speaker 1: to like learn more about her on binary kid, Demi
Speaker 1: Levado is going to be one of the first Google
Speaker 1: might be there. You know, I'm honestly giving it a
Speaker 1: lot of passes, but I think my real thing is
Speaker 1: like it feels true to character, even if it is
Speaker 1: hard to watch. First of all, we all know that
Speaker 1: the most famous Demi Levado quote is not sorry, not sorry,
Speaker 1: It's that Froyo Stan tried to kill me. If we're
Speaker 1: gonna quote no no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: this is the most famous quote. So I went up
Speaker 1: to her and I beat the ship out of her
Speaker 1: or whatever. From what was it? She like, it was
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna beat that bitch up. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: beat that bitch up. It was from the documentary where
Speaker 1: they heard about one of their backup dancers talking shit
Speaker 1: or something. Anyway, so I said, I'm going to beat
Speaker 1: that bit. I watched the first fifteen minutes of that
Speaker 1: documentary because the YouTube algorithm is so cruel to me,
Speaker 1: I mean, simply complicated, simply complicated. I don't think I
Speaker 1: made it that far, but I did learn a lot
Speaker 1: about Demi Levado, So you know, Demo continues to be
Speaker 1: one of the most thrilling presences, especially recently when they
Speaker 1: like sang to an alien about their trauma or something
Speaker 1: like there wasn't There wasn't. There was an article that
Speaker 1: was that came out that was like Demi Levado has
Speaker 1: sung to an alien and as a result discovered the aliens.
Speaker 1: Um they're producing a show about extraterrestrial where everything good
Speaker 1: is it's on Peacock, of course, on Peacock Peck. Peacock
Speaker 1: is giving what the what everyone else wants to give.
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying this as uh An NBC employee.
Speaker 1: I do love Peacock on Peacock every day, all day
Speaker 1: for to watch Real Housewives of New Jersey. I'm on
Speaker 1: Peacock watching Stay by the Bell. I'm on Peacock watching
Speaker 1: Real Houses of Miami. So goodt Wait, fran fran you'd
Speaker 1: love you? What are you would legit? Love it? Well?
Speaker 1: I have to now I have a Peacock subscription to
Speaker 1: have to watch them. Ultimate Girls Trip Um The Ultimate
Speaker 1: Girls Trip gave everything. Y'all watched it the first couple
Speaker 1: episodes and okay, it's pretty enjoyable. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I thought it was like, honestly really frightening
Speaker 1: how much they gave you a behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: like filming the show, and asked about what the experience
Speaker 1: of filming the show was like because they don't do that.
Speaker 1: It's particularly like crazy for me because I don't know
Speaker 1: if y'all I think I told both this, but like,
Speaker 1: I had never seen a single episode of any Housewives
Speaker 1: franchise before the pandemic, and when the pandemic started, I
Speaker 1: watched all of New York, all of Beverly Hills, three
Speaker 1: seasons of Atlanta, all of Salt Lake, and two seasons
Speaker 1: of Potomac and like, like I just devoured it in
Speaker 1: one like adult like stoned. Yeah, like kind of like
Speaker 1: mind fuck um and so like I think finally watching
Speaker 1: Ultimate Girl Trip, which you know, everyone always talks about Housewives,
Speaker 1: All Stars whatever, it was so different and like tender,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's not what you would it's
Speaker 1: not what you would expect. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't cross.
Speaker 1: It's not a bad but I loved it. What about
Speaker 1: so y'all you liked you y'all liked Ultimate Girls Trip.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed The Ultimate Girls Trip because sort of
Speaker 1: like you like, during during the pandemic, I think I
Speaker 1: really went into the Housewives of it all because just
Speaker 1: because there's so much of it to watch, and I
Speaker 1: think volume is important when you have a lot of time.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, here's this big old thing
Speaker 1: that I could never tackle outside of this. But I
Speaker 1: think I watched, you know, thirty one seasons of Survivor
Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of episodes of Housewives. And what
Speaker 1: I liked about The Ultimate Girls Trip was yes, of
Speaker 1: course that they broke the fourth wall, but also that
Speaker 1: it seemed like they got very very very much a
Speaker 1: diversity of experience, like you definitely have the people there
Speaker 1: that have only ever been hero protagonists and then people
Speaker 1: that there that have been villainized by the oh, and
Speaker 1: you know, certain dynamics like the Theresa Judas and Melissa
Speaker 1: Gorga dynamic is I think a really interesting one. And
Speaker 1: I'm very into Jersey now and I recommend everyone watched
Speaker 1: Jersey because it's it's it's different. Like I always say,
Speaker 1: every house size franchise is about something different, and I
Speaker 1: deeply believe that Jersey is about like the patriarchy and
Speaker 1: about the whole that that the patriarchy has on these
Speaker 1: women especially, and that's sort of like Italian American culture,
Speaker 1: where it is very much what the man says goes.
Speaker 1: And you know, Theresa goes to prison because of the
Speaker 1: actions of her husband, and I think that you see
Speaker 1: her development over time, and then to see Ultimate Girls Trip,
Speaker 1: you sort of get like a different perspective on her.
Speaker 1: I like Theresa a lot in Ultimate Girals Trip because
Speaker 1: I didn't really watch Jersey and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's like, she seems perfectly great. I don't know, she
Speaker 1: comes off like a clown when you don't know what
Speaker 1: what New New Jersey Housewives is. Like I remember when
Speaker 1: when I when the first image I ever saw of
Speaker 1: Teresa Judais was prostitution and we're flipping the table. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's a show about a crazy person.
Speaker 1: That's a television show, but a crazy individual who's off
Speaker 1: her rocker, and I'm not watching Jersey. Then you do
Speaker 1: watch it, and you actually you get surprised because you
Speaker 1: actually fall in love with Theresa a little bit and
Speaker 1: you understand, mind you like, this is something else there.
Speaker 1: It's not like a no, like she's like monstrous, but
Speaker 1: but but Teresa, Like it's interesting because all these women
Speaker 1: start this show, they're very family first and they're very
Speaker 1: much in service to their husbands and their children, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you don't talk about our husbands, you don't
Speaker 1: talk about our children, like I'm on my family stick
Speaker 1: thieves all that stuff inside. And then like as these
Speaker 1: women gain autonomy because they're on the show, and then
Speaker 1: you see Teresa Judas in like Ultimate Girls Trip and
Speaker 1: like a new relationship and it's like a businesswoman and
Speaker 1: the best selling author and all these things. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she definitely has had to evolve and transform from this
Speaker 1: person who was just a Jersey housewive to now understanding
Speaker 1: how big the world is, and like, you know, that
Speaker 1: development is interesting to track. So that's what I liked
Speaker 1: about The Ultimate Girls Trip. I haven't watched Jersey, but
Speaker 1: like Matt, I love like your thematic readings of like
Speaker 1: housewive franchises. It's like that was so my experience of
Speaker 1: watching Beverly Hill season two, Like I remember just like
Speaker 1: watching everything go down and being like I mean obviously
Speaker 1: like I was like smoking, but like I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously this is like a microcosum and perhaps the greatest
Speaker 1: argument as to why like wealth is a disease and
Speaker 1: how classism effects like the human psyche, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's it really like you do watch
Speaker 1: how like these women's lives are so like warped and
Speaker 1: like so outside of an actual reality that their problems,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just like blow up in obviously they
Speaker 1: have to do it for TV two, but like the
Speaker 1: way they blow up their problems is still very real,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it just like speaks
Speaker 1: to your like, oh my god, wow, like these women
Speaker 1: are really actually going through this thing. Matt, what would
Speaker 1: you say that thematic rate on Miami is now that
Speaker 1: it's you know, Miami is interesting. Um, Miami is sort
Speaker 1: of being carried by one cast member. Her name is Alexia,
Speaker 1: and um she Um, she is dealing with well, her husband,
Speaker 1: her ex husband who's now deceased. She's found out was gay,
Speaker 1: and she's meeting his lover and like sort of finding
Speaker 1: out about that and now she's in a new relationship.
Speaker 1: And I don't think I've I don't think I've really
Speaker 1: put my finger on what exactly it is in Miami.
Speaker 1: But um, because I think that Miami hasn't really figured
Speaker 1: itself out yet, and I'm not super familiar with the
Speaker 1: old seasons. I have watched the reunions, but um, there's
Speaker 1: something there. One thing I will say about Miami is
Speaker 1: that they have their their complexes. Um about plastic surgery
Speaker 1: and youth seemed to be different than the other, which
Speaker 1: is saying something. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 1: it seems like, um, the the cosmetic enhancements there are
Speaker 1: on another level. I don't and I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: that's like a comment on Miami or like that type
Speaker 1: of culture, but there's definitely that thing of like panic
Speaker 1: about a husband moving on from you. Um, the founding
Speaker 1: of the Fountain of youth chasing is very palpable, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, which is across all these franchises.
Speaker 1: But anyway, some sort of turn up the dials on
Speaker 1: certain things more than others. I love that. I kind
Speaker 1: of went up. Now should I watch Miami? I love
Speaker 1: you this look. I also love this spice you put on.
Speaker 1: I love because I thought and then if someone said
Speaker 1: was like accents on the eye, this is this is
Speaker 1: this is giving you guys doing the cafe boostello ads.
Speaker 1: Do you think they reach out? You can cut this
Speaker 1: if you want. Do you think they reach out like
Speaker 1: being like, oh this Latin podcast lost culture resta. This
Speaker 1: is actually why for the sole reason of we're not
Speaker 1: cutting a moment of accountability, a moment of accountability for
Speaker 1: appropriation in the Latin community. That's actually why I'm here. Um,
Speaker 1: And now we've said it. We take accountability in so
Speaker 1: far as Spanish is a colonizer's language, and therefore we
Speaker 1: are actually totally not accountable because it's not our language.
Speaker 1: It's literally culture. Rea's like fashion, and we put the
Speaker 1: we put loss because we thought, oh, that's just like
Speaker 1: that's what you said, and then I don't know. Honestly,
Speaker 1: this is very um. This is also giving uh, not
Speaker 1: to excuse Aaron Sorkin's remarks, but like the people that
Speaker 1: we're mad about Javier Burden being cast as because they
Speaker 1: were like, he's not Latin, and I was like Desi
Speaker 1: Arnaz was like white, like he he went through a
Speaker 1: time where obviously like his Latina dad was the marginalization,
Speaker 1: but he was still white and it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: it's it's fine by me for like a white person
Speaker 1: to play like a different kind of white person, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And also he was amazing. He
Speaker 1: was really was. He was so good. I'm sorry, like
Speaker 1: he transcended the race. It's honest, it's honestly kind of
Speaker 1: how like I mean, I think it happens more with
Speaker 1: like straight women or straight women actors and straight Maile actors.
Speaker 1: But like when straight women nail a queer role, no
Speaker 1: one says anything, like no one's that you're talking about, Carol,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm not calling in.
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful performance. I think sometimes you just
Speaker 1: stick the landing and it's fine. I don't like to
Speaker 1: see Jared Leto planning a transgender woman obviously, like that's crazy,
Speaker 1: Like that's deeply coming at the expense of of of
Speaker 1: an actor in their opportunity, and like we see in
Speaker 1: Disclosure in like that amazing documentary that Netflix put out,
Speaker 1: like just how damaging that is over time. But like
Speaker 1: when it's like, um, when it's Kate Blanchet or if
Speaker 1: it's or if it's just like you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like Harry Styles, I guess is playing a gay policeman
Speaker 1: coming up this year, and yeah, a gay cop or something,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, look, ultimately, like I do think
Speaker 1: that there there should be a lot more representation across
Speaker 1: the board, and like maybe we should, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but never all these gay cops. Didn't Lena Wait to
Speaker 1: play like a gay cop cops or whatever and she
Speaker 1: was an animated gay police And also wait, wait, there's
Speaker 1: a didn't doesn't Will Truman and Will and Grace fall
Speaker 1: in love with a gay cop? Really yeah, when he's
Speaker 1: a Bobby kind of Valet played gay cop and he's hot,
Speaker 1: he's so hot Bobby kind of Alli and Eric McCormick
Speaker 1: both straight. But the and the thing is like it
Speaker 1: gets a little exhaust thing over time, but I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I have a backup for why. But every single time
Speaker 1: it feels like it's announced that a straight actor is
Speaker 1: playing a queer role, it feels like the response is
Speaker 1: the same, which is like, funk that's funk funk this,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, like we like we
Speaker 1: don't know what exactly the role entails. Like I don't
Speaker 1: even really know what I'm saying here. Obviously I want
Speaker 1: to argue for more representation that's proper, but I just
Speaker 1: don't believe that it should be a blanket condemnation of
Speaker 1: every single casting decision. It feels weird to me. This
Speaker 1: is this is maybe an unfair question to pose, map,
Speaker 1: but like, if they cast a straight guy to play
Speaker 1: your role in this TV show, you would be doing
Speaker 1: and and let's just spoil that maybe this character that
Speaker 1: you're playing is gay. I mean, like I would be annoying.
Speaker 1: I mean, but like not that you would like know
Speaker 1: that you were up for that part, or maybe you
Speaker 1: do know that you're up for that part. I have
Speaker 1: I have recently gone in for auditions that have been
Speaker 1: listed as gay and then in the casting they change
Speaker 1: it to straight, you know what I mean, Like like
Speaker 1: so like I don't know, like it's it's weird, Like
Speaker 1: I think the best person should play the part, and
Speaker 1: I often feel that queer roles are just best going
Speaker 1: to be played by queer people. But I'm not casting it,
Speaker 1: I'm not directing it like I do. I do like
Speaker 1: hand it over to these people to make those decisions,
Speaker 1: and you hope that you know they're making these decisions
Speaker 1: based on talent and based on suitability for the part,
Speaker 1: and it's not just some studio note of being like,
Speaker 1: well can we get a fucking straight actor in here?
Speaker 1: That's like a name. Sometimes sometimes it is that, which
Speaker 1: which which is definitely I think the case. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I'm talking about the blanket statement of it
Speaker 1: all where it just feels like, yeah, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not a global it's not a blanket applicated. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying. I am also, like you, Matt,
Speaker 1: like kind of concretizing my thoughts on this, Like I
Speaker 1: think it's like a case by case kind of like nuancing,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it gets more contentious when like
Speaker 1: the role center's queerness. It's like it's a experience that
Speaker 1: I think with trans and general conforming people specifically, it's like,
Speaker 1: because there's a much bigger lack of opportunities for transactors,
Speaker 1: like that creates like a just an It's something that's
Speaker 1: very frustrating to watch like happen. But like I totally agree,
Speaker 1: it's like, what what do you do with heterosexual fagotry?
Speaker 1: You know, like I think that, Um, honestly, this is
Speaker 1: a very good segue to the Matty morphosis of it all.
Speaker 1: Have y'all watched drag Race. I have not finished this
Speaker 1: this most recent episode I saw it. I mean, but
Speaker 1: and you know, it's funny. It frustrates me what's going
Speaker 1: on on drag Rass with Mattie morphosis because and but
Speaker 1: this is what frustrates me about it. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: that Matty Morphosis is on the show. It's the other
Speaker 1: contestants the way that I think they're being told to
Speaker 1: discuss it. I just don't believe that there's gonna be
Speaker 1: no one in that room that's going to confront Matty
Speaker 1: morphosis about it. I don't believe for a second that
Speaker 1: these ten other drag queens who are drag queens like
Speaker 1: primarily as a result of their queer experience and as
Speaker 1: a result of the way that they've had to like navigate,
Speaker 1: you know, becoming performers, and the lack of opportunity for
Speaker 1: them that they've been you know, you know, led to
Speaker 1: drag and fall in love with drag. For that reason,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that universally, every single one of them
Speaker 1: is literally going to be like I say, work Maddie, like, yes,
Speaker 1: drake guys in drag, like absolutely, it's time to knock
Speaker 1: down the door. I don't believe for the second that
Speaker 1: that's the reality of that workroom and the emotional temperature
Speaker 1: of that workroom. So I resent that it's being portrayed
Speaker 1: portrayed that way. To be honest with you, it's palpable,
Speaker 1: especially if you watch Untucked, Like you can see what
Speaker 1: those girls are thinking. Ye know what, I should say
Speaker 1: it and they should be allowed to say it. And
Speaker 1: that's I think. That's like, I just don't believe that
Speaker 1: that we need to be like straight rights drag. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I do love that RU came in and
Speaker 1: basically like gay bullied Maddie morphrisis because like good she
Speaker 1: came in and she was like, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how far you are bo. But she basically came
Speaker 1: in and was like immediately immediately out's Maddie and the girls,
Speaker 1: well that all these girls are gonna be like what
Speaker 1: the funck? But she also said something to the effect
Speaker 1: of like are you afraid you're gonna be a fag?
Speaker 1: By the end of this, you know, it's like and
Speaker 1: it's like that is actually like the thing I would
Speaker 1: always want to have said to like Maddie Morpheus is
Speaker 1: you know, um, but I don't know. I mean I
Speaker 1: think if you watch on Tuck, I think she she
Speaker 1: says a lot of like the right things. But at
Speaker 1: the end of this like spiel, she says something something
Speaker 1: to the effect of like, um, like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: actually think that straight people should do drag, Like I
Speaker 1: actually don't think it's like a lot of straight people
Speaker 1: should do drag or whatever. And I'm like, you can't
Speaker 1: say that on the biggest platform in the world for drag,
Speaker 1: like sitting right here, Like it's just it makes it
Speaker 1: just looks so crazy. But at that way, beyond that,
Speaker 1: like she really ate the runway. It was kind of sick.
Speaker 1: I I mean, there's nothing to knock about what Maddie presented.
Speaker 1: I mean, Maddie presented very competitive drag on the show.
Speaker 1: It's it's like, not about that for me. It's for me,
Speaker 1: it's about the way that the show is framing the
Speaker 1: responses of the other queens. I just don't buy it.
Speaker 1: It's gaslighting. It's very but I mean love. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the cast this so far, it's like really
Speaker 1: like I'm very excited for Aingeria to go up against
Speaker 1: like corn Bread. Maybe also, I don't know. I loved Bosco,
Speaker 1: I loved Carrie. Carrie seems nervous, but like I'm rooting
Speaker 1: for Carrie the show girl. Carrie stunning. I'm I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with Willow and we love Willow Pill, truly obsessed. I
Speaker 1: love Willow Pill. I love Willow Pill. Maybe not it's
Speaker 1: like a Willow Pill Willow Pill. That joke will never
Speaker 1: get old. M I like Willow Pill. I think I
Speaker 1: don't like her as a winner of Drag Race. I
Speaker 1: like her like a Katya of drag Grace, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I I like her the way
Speaker 1: I like Brooklyn drag and that she looks like she
Speaker 1: dropped out of the New School. You know what I mean. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're saying, you know, her talent was something you would
Speaker 1: see at the like the Annoyance Theater, and like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that is like I don't know, Like I think they're
Speaker 1: hosting viewings. I think because Willow it's from Denver, but
Speaker 1: and now is in Chicago, and I think, Um, Dairy
Speaker 1: Queen shout out to Dairy Queen who who's listening. Um
Speaker 1: was was telling me that they're hosting um together like
Speaker 1: viewings at the Annoyance in Chicago, which I love, which
Speaker 1: we love that that little cute little intersection of like
Speaker 1: all comedy and drag. But um, before okay, we're already
Speaker 1: an hour and we have to ask the question, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, we really do? And I really I thought
Speaker 1: about that earlier and I was like, we'll get to
Speaker 1: we're getting carried away because basically third cultural STA did
Speaker 1: I no, no, you did it beautifully. I was standing shady,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming here and destroying the
Speaker 1: Cafe Bustello Advades because yes, no, no, I went in Boston.
Speaker 1: Cafe was still right after that up not a shred
Speaker 1: of facetiousness in my voice, girl, nothing but respect. Fran,
Speaker 1: What was the culture? Now? Listen to hear me out
Speaker 1: that made you say culture was for you? I thought
Speaker 1: a lot about this. There were a lot of options,
Speaker 1: as all your guests in the race, hum. I think
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one, it would be a
Speaker 1: Greek mythology. Yes, I I was, you know, a library
Speaker 1: kid um. I I like, hey, talking about it at
Speaker 1: this point because it's like so boring, and I talked
Speaker 1: about it so much in the podcast. Like I, you know,
Speaker 1: grew up very under very strict Baptist parents, under a
Speaker 1: very intense jurisdiction of cultural consumption um, which means like
Speaker 1: I was left out of like most things that kids
Speaker 1: grew up with culturally um, which is like you know
Speaker 1: what like a virgin is kind of predicated on. But
Speaker 1: like I was allowed. I had a free pass at
Speaker 1: the library, you know what I mean, Like my parents
Speaker 1: would take me there and I could explore any corner
Speaker 1: I want. And of course, like my gay ass like
Speaker 1: found Greek mythology and I was like, there's some fagship here.
Speaker 1: Let me take notes, you know, absolutely, And as a
Speaker 1: Greek myself, I can say firsthand like that they're the
Speaker 1: girls were certainly dipping it into interesting areas. It's not
Speaker 1: even that it's like Greek mythology overall has some of
Speaker 1: the darkest shit period. Oh yeah, it really it dealt
Speaker 1: It dealt with I mean it dealt with like so
Speaker 1: much like humanity, but using these avatars of like shredded demigods,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that ship is gay? Now?
Speaker 1: Who were your favorite girls on top of the hill
Speaker 1: called Acropolis? Um? I okay, So I have a very
Speaker 1: vivid memory of like, after consuming like every illustrated book
Speaker 1: about green mythology that I could get my hands on,
Speaker 1: I migrated bravely over to the adult section and found
Speaker 1: like books without pictures, which, like even even now is
Speaker 1: difficult for me to do, you know, books about pictures,
Speaker 1: and like I feel like I remember reading like a
Speaker 1: passage about different myths and then reading about how Apollo
Speaker 1: had a lover named Hyanson and he was and I
Speaker 1: remember reading it like I was probably like nine or ten,
Speaker 1: and I remembering like he he big question, he yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like such an aha moment because like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it was so effortless and it
Speaker 1: was so like in passing, and I think that maybe
Speaker 1: not so much true now, but like at the time,
Speaker 1: like every gay narrative coming out, it's like when the
Speaker 1: gay character enters, the whole narrative has to like come
Speaker 1: to a screeching halt and we have to like stop
Speaker 1: and like acknowledge that this character is gay and then
Speaker 1: like move on. And like with this, it was like
Speaker 1: so seamless, and I think that like from there, I
Speaker 1: just like kept craving things that were that. And then
Speaker 1: also obviously like Greek mythologies, like the most homoerotic shit ever,
Speaker 1: it was the o G and he happened to Yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: he's gay, Yeah, but he's blind. Um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like there, I mean, Paula and Hind said this
Speaker 1: basically about I mean, it's basically kind of like what
Speaker 1: every Greek myth is about, which is like a god
Speaker 1: who loves his twinks so much that he accidentally kills
Speaker 1: him with toxic masculine Um. It's it's, you know, a
Speaker 1: story as old as time. Um. But like I you know,
Speaker 1: they just like had sex all the time, Like it
Speaker 1: was at a time that predated, like the shame around
Speaker 1: sex predated like homosexuality. They weren't fucking in the butt
Speaker 1: since well before Christ, Greek men used to walk around
Speaker 1: with little packets of lube, like so that they could
Speaker 1: fun at any time. Little oil sex. I can't remember
Speaker 1: what the name is, but they had these like little
Speaker 1: oil sex. They would just walk around and just funk whenever.
Speaker 1: This is actually that's like that actually is like ancient culture,
Speaker 1: like the there would be certain figures in a young
Speaker 1: boy's life. It was almost always a young boy like um,
Speaker 1: and that that these that these things I learned focused
Speaker 1: on as well, there was like a father figure, and
Speaker 1: there was like a mother figure, and then there was
Speaker 1: like another father figure who like exclusively fucked the kids. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously I'm not trying to like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: glorify too much. There's a lot of consent issue is
Speaker 1: not an ideal time for like women are like you know,
Speaker 1: enslaved people. But like it's like like the fact that
Speaker 1: gods and demigods were faggots, like that's that's revelatory. And
Speaker 1: even like like even with like Zeus, like taking Ghanamy,
Speaker 1: I remember being obsessed with this Zeus and Ganymede and
Speaker 1: the Zeus like plucking this boy from Earth bring him
Speaker 1: to Olympus so he could be like the cup bearer.
Speaker 1: I'm like, see, like this is even something that like
Speaker 1: like gay men of a certain age or wealth or
Speaker 1: or a game game and of a certain like class
Speaker 1: to do. Now, like they'll just like pick out a
Speaker 1: boy and then have them live in their house. This
Speaker 1: is this is a current phenomenon. It's crazy that you're
Speaker 1: saying this because, um, like over a year ago, I
Speaker 1: was commissioned to write an erotic by a big company
Speaker 1: that I won't name, and they ended up flaking on me.
Speaker 1: But I literally wrote an adaptation of Zeus and Genia
Speaker 1: Mede in the modern day, and it was about like
Speaker 1: a daddy that owns the club and like usurps like
Speaker 1: a bottle service boy. You know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: like it gives that like it's it's it is as
Speaker 1: I said, I know thatss Yeah, that's why they remake
Speaker 1: it every three years. Yeah, but that I mean from there,
Speaker 1: like I I grew to love Greek mythology. I think
Speaker 1: I really fell in love with like the the world
Speaker 1: building or the world built that is Greek myths. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of stories that I love now
Speaker 1: have those like that intricate like architecture of all these
Speaker 1: different gods and goddesses that are entwined in some way,
Speaker 1: and like, I think that was something that I always
Speaker 1: responded to. And also I think the Disney's Hercules came
Speaker 1: out around the time that I was like seven or eight,
Speaker 1: and that was super formative and is also so gay,
Speaker 1: you know, and Gladiata so good, what a good soundtrack? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's just like I don't know, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: I was horny for Hercules, like who wasn't like that
Speaker 1: the quintessential like los feeless, like twank, but like I
Speaker 1: feel like there was like so I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just I loved that as like a I loved all
Speaker 1: of the mythology surrounding it, and therefore obviously fell in
Speaker 1: love with that movie. And I don't know, it's very
Speaker 1: formative to like the work I like. Now, Isn't it
Speaker 1: a shame that James Woods is one of the best
Speaker 1: Disney villains as Hades and yet is like full on cuckoo,
Speaker 1: crazy insane person, Like, oh god, He's Hades is so good.
Speaker 1: Love a queen, Love a queeny villain, Queen villain, Disney.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Um, but yeah, that's my answer. That was
Speaker 1: like maybe like peeling through those and like you know,
Speaker 1: horny young adult fiction in the library and all the
Speaker 1: different stuff checking out like exiting my cultural vacuum, and
Speaker 1: like checking out things that would have eventually corrupt me
Speaker 1: like um, hotel paper, um, Destiny Fulfilled, like these things
Speaker 1: that I wasn't allowed to like you know, consume, but
Speaker 1: could You don't think the Baptist Church would have approved
Speaker 1: of Destiny Fulfilled? Which track? Do you think we'll upset
Speaker 1: them the most? If you such, you will never found
Speaker 1: love like matter You're gonna miss me. I fucking love
Speaker 1: Destiny Fulfilled, And I believe Baptists should listen closer. You know.
Speaker 1: When I think about like the Destiny's Child of it all,
Speaker 1: I do think my you know, Christian upbringing would have
Speaker 1: loved nasty, which is a slut shaming anthem, and I
Speaker 1: you know, must respect. I mean, we have to remember
Speaker 1: that Destiny's child famously. We're not going to compromise their Christianity. No, okay,
Speaker 1: because their mama the meta than that. No, their MoMA
Speaker 1: taught them better than that. Absolutely, But I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that was like one of the first pieces of like
Speaker 1: secular music I ever listened to, Like I'd only been
Speaker 1: listening to cater cater to. You really sort of talked
Speaker 1: to your formative culture because you're you're thinking of, you know,
Speaker 1: the voice servicing. But when I bonded over this because
Speaker 1: we both used to be switch foot heads and then yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my, I think all three of us were switch
Speaker 1: foot Heads were sad, I mean only during Dude to Move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, come on now, Christian rock, Christian rock baby,
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god, twenty four. We we've talked
Speaker 1: about twenty four, right, Johnny. I sent it to my
Speaker 1: I sent the lyrics of that song to my pastor,
Speaker 1: and he was like, let's break it down, Like what
Speaker 1: do you like do you know about, you know, wrestling
Speaker 1: the Angel? Like what this is what this lyric is
Speaker 1: in reference to? And like he really like it. Blew
Speaker 1: my mind genuinely to be like, wow, switch Foot is
Speaker 1: the most genie is music that's ever been written. I
Speaker 1: truly was like pastor pilled with Switchfoot. Did you have
Speaker 1: like weird I'm only I'm maybe I'm projecting, but did
Speaker 1: you have like weird relationships with your pastors? Pastor's youth pastors. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. He his name was Pastor Paul. He was
Speaker 1: a lovely man. He was the white pastor at this
Speaker 1: like all Chinese church in Denver, and you know he
Speaker 1: was he was just everyone at my church was great,
Speaker 1: like no one was like no one was like like
Speaker 1: especially great. They really were. I will say something like
Speaker 1: there was this pipeline from you know, there was this
Speaker 1: pipeline from like the diaspora Asian pockets in Denver and
Speaker 1: in most parts of the country. I would say where
Speaker 1: you would sort of like as like a millennial growing
Speaker 1: up in these places, the only cool place to find
Speaker 1: cool Asians was at church, I will say, at youth group.
Speaker 1: At youth group, like you would like you would like
Speaker 1: go to Chinese school or Korean school, Japanese school on Sunday.
Speaker 1: But then like the real like everyone there was just
Speaker 1: like two square or whatever, and like the parents were
Speaker 1: always there watching over you. But like where it was
Speaker 1: at was that youth group Friday night at the church.
Speaker 1: It was just the teens playing guitar like doing like
Speaker 1: youth group ship and it was like kind of it
Speaker 1: was like the shiny shimmery thing for me growing up.
Speaker 1: I was such like a loser, loser in high school
Speaker 1: that I very relate to. Like church was like one
Speaker 1: of the first places that I was like I belong
Speaker 1: like people like people like me, Like this is like,
Speaker 1: am I even popular here? I wasn't, but like it's
Speaker 1: you know, you get the kind of I don't know,
Speaker 1: you feel like you belong to something. Um yeah, which
Speaker 1: which God blessed like Minesota speak, like God blessed that
Speaker 1: we had that back then. It came in this like
Speaker 1: someone in City of Swarm. I don't know, Matty, do
Speaker 1: you laugh? But when you hang on this episode is
Speaker 1: the coolest people ever are at church? God bless God.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the coolest people in my life at that
Speaker 1: time we're at church. I'm teasing you. I know what
Speaker 1: you're saying. It was so true. I mean I literally
Speaker 1: did not learn how to play the acoustic guitar for
Speaker 1: any other reason than to be a youth pastor, which
Speaker 1: was to me the coolest job you could have, period,
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing else in my imagination's period. That's that's
Speaker 1: a rule. That's a rule of culture. Number ninet two.
Speaker 1: There is no no cooler job than you pastor. Period.
Speaker 1: Can you still play acoustic? No, but I will, I will.
Speaker 1: You know, say that the first song I did learn
Speaker 1: how to play was good Riddance by Green Day. Okay, Bowen,
Speaker 1: did you ever pick up a guitar in high school
Speaker 1: and like try to teach yourself how to play? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was like, this ain't for me. I just yeah,
Speaker 1: and how far do you? My mom won one year
Speaker 1: for Christmas, my mom and dad had gotten me an
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar, and my mom looked at me and she said,
Speaker 1: I just figured it was time, And I was like,
Speaker 1: you're right. I took my acoustic guitar up to my
Speaker 1: bedroom and I YouTube searched how to play Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: begin again. Wait what year was this? Two thousand? Because
Speaker 1: the beginning and came out right? So this was when
Speaker 1: I was in college then, or maybe just out of college.
Speaker 1: I mean, learning how to play the acoustic guitar is
Speaker 1: something of like a rite of passage, you know, for
Speaker 1: young white man. Did you say it was high school?
Speaker 1: I think I asked, did you ever pick up an
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar in high school? And mine? Mine was when
Speaker 1: I was like, because I think it was after I
Speaker 1: discovered like you know, the music in our comedy whatever.
Speaker 1: And then I was becoming more musical in my twenties
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, well, I'm getting him an
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar. I just never well, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: never too late to pick it back up. Matt. No,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Matt was certainly not um like picking acoustic guitar.
Speaker 1: Definitely not at church, We're doing cool stuff like football
Speaker 1: games and yeah stuff the little bit of you know,
Speaker 1: nose nose drugs and fresh off the slopes. You know.
Speaker 1: I was a feeder kid, but I wasn't. I was
Speaker 1: too scared to like partake and like drug or alcohol
Speaker 1: use that like cast parties, which were frequent. Oh yeah, No,
Speaker 1: people don't realize like the cast parties went in but
Speaker 1: I was. I wasn't at them. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were, you know, playing football. I was play football. No,
Speaker 1: I No, I went to like I did go to
Speaker 1: football parties where there was a lot of alcohol use,
Speaker 1: but I didn't meet anyone that like smoked weed or
Speaker 1: did any drugs until I got to college. Not me. Really.
Speaker 1: It was like I think my town was like midwestern
Speaker 1: enough where it was like just generally looked down upon
Speaker 1: to like part it was like part of I think
Speaker 1: it was in their culture. You know, lot of like
Speaker 1: anti drug propaganda at that time in high school. So
Speaker 1: remember dare Do you remember what is it? Drugs and
Speaker 1: alcohol resistance education which literally made drugs worse for kids apparently,
Speaker 1: didn't it or something like that. I think I've seen
Speaker 1: some sort of association. Yeah, I haven't verified this fact
Speaker 1: at all, but basically it was like, you know why
Speaker 1: euphoria happened. It's like kind of how I see it.
Speaker 1: I just remember we would get like, do you guys
Speaker 1: remember that. We would get like a sheet of paper
Speaker 1: and it would just be it would say three words.
Speaker 1: It would say marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and it would be
Speaker 1: a picture of a blunt, a picture of like cocaine,
Speaker 1: and then like an injectable. And basically what it made
Speaker 1: us think was like, these are the three drugs and
Speaker 1: they're all equally bad. Yeah, here's what happens to. If
Speaker 1: you smoke, your brain turns off forever. If you do
Speaker 1: cocaine you get addicted and you become crazy. And if
Speaker 1: you do heroin you're dead. And all three of these
Speaker 1: things are equal, equally bad. And then they were like
Speaker 1: an alcohol is also a drug. Yeah, they were right,
Speaker 1: it was just it was fear based education that did
Speaker 1: not work. In health class, every student had to give
Speaker 1: a presentation on a specific drug and they were group
Speaker 1: projects actually, but the drug I had to give a
Speaker 1: presentation on was ecstasy, and it made me want to
Speaker 1: I can't tell you mine, can't tell my mine, because
Speaker 1: we did we did something similar LSD and who is
Speaker 1: dropping acid once every two years? As like I haven't.
Speaker 1: I actually haven't done it in like three I'm not time.
Speaker 1: I love LSD. I actually have never done asseid you'd
Speaker 1: enjoy a deep fran and I, Frank, can we share
Speaker 1: that we've we've we've done rooms together. Yes, that was
Speaker 1: such a night. This was like a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: This is me Justin and France Justin. We and we
Speaker 1: just justin made dinner. That's so beautiful dinner and we giggle.
Speaker 1: It was stupid at things. It was really wonderful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I haven't done asset because I'm kind of scared
Speaker 1: about what I might realize about it myself. Did you did?
Speaker 1: If you have like transcendent realizations, existential crisis? I think
Speaker 1: the first time that we did it. We had like
Speaker 1: a breakthrough, but but everything stuck. Nothing stuck on acid
Speaker 1: like I have not like I'm not a fundamentally different
Speaker 1: person for having done it. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: helpful to hear, but like you won't realize something that's
Speaker 1: so deeply upsetting that you will be like a scarred
Speaker 1: version of yourself afterwards. It did shift things for me,
Speaker 1: like emotionally at the time when I needed it, Like
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever did it, I
Speaker 1: really went in with the sho of like because that's
Speaker 1: what they tell you're like going with like a mission,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm going to figure out what
Speaker 1: it is I need emotionally from my ex that I'm
Speaker 1: that I'm not allowing myself to get, like I really
Speaker 1: want to leave this like being over my ex. And
Speaker 1: then I remember it was really weird, Like it was
Speaker 1: like a half hour into the trip literally right away,
Speaker 1: and I realized while I was drawing this like truly
Speaker 1: stupid picture of like a fish that was a bird,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, all I want is for him
Speaker 1: to always care about me. And I texted him and
Speaker 1: I was like, I just want to I just want
Speaker 1: to know that You'll always still care and he's like,
Speaker 1: I will always care about you. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: then I'm good, and I remember I moved on. And
Speaker 1: then Bowen and I had a moment that we needed
Speaker 1: to have and that was also important. And then every
Speaker 1: other time I've done LFC sinants has just been likes, giggle,
Speaker 1: I love it. I laugh harder than ever. I am
Speaker 1: kind of looking for realizations. That sounds very good. Nice
Speaker 1: to meet, for sure. I really wish people weren't like
Speaker 1: weird and afraid of I've been thinking about doing ayahuasca,
Speaker 1: but I'm scared. You're like, yeah, but I have, like
Speaker 1: unfortunately and so much wu Wu culture that like all
Speaker 1: my friends are like, oh my god, I do aawaska
Speaker 1: like once a month. It's so great. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I need to have like a
Speaker 1: you know, can I ask does Channy do it? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? Um? Well, you know Channy talks about this
Speaker 1: in her book. She she grew up in an environment where,
Speaker 1: you know, she was surrounded by a lot of drugs,
Speaker 1: a lot of al you so right now she like
Speaker 1: is completely moved on from that. Like, but she told
Speaker 1: me specifically that if I'm gonna do ayahuasca. That it's
Speaker 1: you have to do it at the time that you're ready.
Speaker 1: You don't just do it to have a fun time.
Speaker 1: You're as you're saying, you know, you're going with something
Speaker 1: of a mission in Yeah, Like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: the thing with ayahuasca is it feels so intense that
Speaker 1: it can't be this just like cool, boutique liberal thing
Speaker 1: to do was like to go to ayahuasca, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like you really have to be
Speaker 1: sort of like needing it and I don't need it,
Speaker 1: and you also have to invest in doing it like
Speaker 1: somewhat ethically, otherwise you're gonna end up with like a
Speaker 1: white shaman, like on the last episode of Salt Lake City, Um,
Speaker 1: which was kind of wild, but like what was her name,
Speaker 1: Betunda Bettina's Yeah, Yeah, I went to her website. I
Speaker 1: looked up her her resort. I love when they were
Speaker 1: beating the drum and like Lisa like the white woman
Speaker 1: names like Whitney Heather narrative for them to do like
Speaker 1: a healing drum line in this season and then last
Speaker 1: season to happen yeah, and then like last season was
Speaker 1: basically like the penultimate episode was like a transformative justice circle.
Speaker 1: Like these women are like really want to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: have the moment they wanted to talk about it. Um,
Speaker 1: but Jen just doesn't possess like any of the anything
Speaker 1: to do it one of the scariest women on television. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't really need like that kind of transcendent
Speaker 1: drug experience to me. Honestly, Like when I when I
Speaker 1: do too much weed. Um, honestly, I'm texting my ex
Speaker 1: to asking him to love me. So that's like enough
Speaker 1: for me. You know. That's the thing. Is I wonder
Speaker 1: sometimes like if I'm going to learn the wrong things
Speaker 1: from it or like you know that because it also
Speaker 1: is it is a lot to do with people you're
Speaker 1: surrounded by weed or yeah, yeah, I figured, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's about the environment who you're doing with it. Do
Speaker 1: you did you need like a chaperone or like someone
Speaker 1: to kind of watch over you we are the first
Speaker 1: time I did it, I had one and he and
Speaker 1: it was very essential that he was there. Um when
Speaker 1: we when Matt and I did it, to get that
Speaker 1: we did not have it is I would say, the
Speaker 1: first time you do it, you should have someone who
Speaker 1: is there to just like guide it, but not in
Speaker 1: like a shamanic capacity, like someone who's just like either
Speaker 1: like being d d basically and just being like, I'm
Speaker 1: just making sure we're all alive at the end of
Speaker 1: this um which is scary than it sounds, or not
Speaker 1: as scary as it sounds. UM Like. I think it's
Speaker 1: just helpful to have someone who's done it before it
Speaker 1: at the very least. Everyone's always like, um like, I'm
Speaker 1: always whatever. Everyone's always like, oh no, this isn't this
Speaker 1: kind of drug where you get really horny. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not, it's not. Every time I do it, I
Speaker 1: get so fucking horny, the kind of thing where it's
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter who I'm around, like, and that's
Speaker 1: just so I have to sort of be careful, like
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like I'm very sensitive to that stuff,
Speaker 1: and like it doesn't matter what it is now, I
Speaker 1: just get so fucking horny on it that I don't
Speaker 1: want to be like horned up, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like and and then like be in that sort of
Speaker 1: state and be all fucked up in horny, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm just on a baseline horny, just
Speaker 1: like I don't even want to know what happens when
Speaker 1: it's escalated. That's kind of how I am to like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happened to me the other day,
Speaker 1: you guys, the other day I jacked off six times.
Speaker 1: That is some seventh grade level. That was. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was. I think I was like I
Speaker 1: had like sitting around. I was just like nothing was
Speaker 1: going on. I was just like, well, I'm not hooking
Speaker 1: up with anyone anytime. Sooner into town. I did that
Speaker 1: too when I had COVID. Yeah, there was one night
Speaker 1: where I just I literally masturbated six times. And I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to say readers, by the sixth nothing was sometimes
Speaker 1: coming out. I don't think, I don't think anything, not
Speaker 1: even air just at a dry heave a dry like
Speaker 1: I thought it truly was like it was like it
Speaker 1: was like when a baby dragon used to cough, like yeah,
Speaker 1: like a little guy. One day you'll get it when
Speaker 1: you grow into a big dragon. And it's like it's
Speaker 1: like it's like Figment, you know, Figment, the Disney Figment.
Speaker 1: By the way, did you hear this controversy about Figment?
Speaker 1: What's this controversy? Fran how versed in Disney, do you
Speaker 1: become um, I mean, I don't know what Figment is.
Speaker 1: Let's just say you're you're you don't know about the controversies.
Speaker 1: There was there was a seven hour wait at Epcot
Speaker 1: for a for a popcorn stand that was selling Figment popcorn.
Speaker 1: What And you don't even know who Figment is. Imagine
Speaker 1: seven hours worth of people who do know and they
Speaker 1: decided to spend their day because they want a Figment
Speaker 1: popcorn bucket? Why is Why did it sell out so quickly?
Speaker 1: I think that's just that's just the way Disney kind
Speaker 1: of is. I don't like that anymore. That might be
Speaker 1: I don't think so honeyworthy, but not not on this episode.
Speaker 1: But you know, I could pooh pooh it. But also
Speaker 1: like I went to Universal Studios for the same time,
Speaker 1: which I know is not you know, Disney, I p
Speaker 1: but like I was in the I didn't think I
Speaker 1: was going to drink the juice, and then I was
Speaker 1: in the world, you know, obsessed, which which particular land
Speaker 1: really struck you? Well, you know, we're Universal, Universal, We're peacock.
Speaker 1: We can say Hogwarts. I mean, Hogwarts was our face
Speaker 1: of Rose and I joked that we were going to go,
Speaker 1: and we we were gonna were you know, grou show
Speaker 1: marks like disguises so that no one would recognize us
Speaker 1: in this like kind of transphobic whatever anyway, but it
Speaker 1: was amazing. Um, I will say we got there um
Speaker 1: early on accident. Rose was very adamant about being there.
Speaker 1: You know, right when the park opened. I'm sucking obsessed
Speaker 1: with Rose. Rose is so like Rose spiritual cellular level
Speaker 1: to get there when the park opens is so my culture.
Speaker 1: Well I well, yes, a culture that honestly I'm learning
Speaker 1: in public about. You're calling me more than because when
Speaker 1: I arrived, I was like, you know, we arrived and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's the park isn't
Speaker 1: even open yet, and like Rose and Ashtrain to me,
Speaker 1: they were like, um, sometimes they opened the park fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes early. It's like a surprise to the guests. And
Speaker 1: I was like, how do you And sure enough they
Speaker 1: opened it like five or ten minutes early, and and
Speaker 1: they made this crowd of hundreds of people chant like
Speaker 1: count down to the opening of it was not even
Speaker 1: on a special day. It's nine, all right, let's go
Speaker 1: to just spickable me. It's like and I'm not and
Speaker 1: I'm not like awakened big girl, but like I waked
Speaker 1: and and so sober so when they were counting down,
Speaker 1: I was like having a euphoric experience. I'm a projectile
Speaker 1: from my body, like just like this is the greatest
Speaker 1: thing that could ever happen to me. See I want,
Speaker 1: I want to say, like, no one has ever really
Speaker 1: had a good experience if they hadn't gone with me.
Speaker 1: But I think because you went, you probably killed it.
Speaker 1: I would love love to go to Universal Studios or
Speaker 1: does any Disney Park at literally any time I have
Speaker 1: a car now, I I love just I will say
Speaker 1: yes to That's honestly. Something about having expendable income as
Speaker 1: well as a car is I become the target demographic
Speaker 1: for literally any any product, anything, anything, any expert exactly
Speaker 1: when Bowen comes to l A next, we will go, Okay,
Speaker 1: sounds great, it's decreed. Should I do an Orlando birthday
Speaker 1: one year? You are so sick to dangle that in
Speaker 1: front of me, knowing that you're probably not going to
Speaker 1: do it. You're cruel, not really mean, streak, and you
Speaker 1: actually been messing with me from the beginning of the
Speaker 1: I didn't forget about when you said I wasn't as
Speaker 1: good at vomiting on camera, s s JP. I didn't
Speaker 1: forget about that. Can you at least just admit that
Speaker 1: you that like, she has more experience with that and
Speaker 1: so therefore she knows how to control her own trapdoor,
Speaker 1: as France says, fine, I'll admit it. Well. I think
Speaker 1: that we have sort of stumbled up on the part
Speaker 1: of the episode of Lost Culture, which is called I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Don't you think bo? I think so?
Speaker 1: I think so. This is where we take one minute
Speaker 1: to rail against something in culture. Um frant is very experienced,
Speaker 1: very very not a virgin, not a virgin like not
Speaker 1: a virgin. The last thing I did, I don't think
Speaker 1: the honey, I got in trouble. I got in trouble
Speaker 1: a little bit. Did you? Did you all see the
Speaker 1: ramifications of my I don't think so, honey? By any chance?
Speaker 1: Did you break it down for the readers? Did someone
Speaker 1: named and Tortorella? I mean, I don't have any problem. Basically,
Speaker 1: it was like, um, I mean, I don't think honey,
Speaker 1: I dragged the queer I fab five for a specific reason.
Speaker 1: It was like, right when the reboot was coming out
Speaker 1: speaking of reboots, and I did call Nico Tordarella the
Speaker 1: Rachel Dolishal of the queer community, which was then added
Speaker 1: to Nico's Wikipedia page. And yes, it was added to
Speaker 1: Nico's Wikipedia page. Here I'm here, I am thinking no
Speaker 1: as a podcaster, I was like, no one listens to
Speaker 1: the podcast I can say this, and there are so
Speaker 1: many I was like, it'll be fine. It was later
Speaker 1: taken off, which means like they you know, I just
Speaker 1: want to, you know, clarify that I don't want to
Speaker 1: be gate keepy with non binary people. I don't despise
Speaker 1: Nico Triterrello because they're non binary. I just spise Nico
Speaker 1: Taterrello because they are a legitimately bad person, and most
Speaker 1: people in the industry, as someone who worked in remedia
Speaker 1: for so long, find them, you know, bad and annoying.
Speaker 1: So now we said it, and now we said it
Speaker 1: to have Camille Grammar be dragged into this, I had
Speaker 1: to I just once you said, I don't think somebody
Speaker 1: added a trauma response and I actually, we we forget
Speaker 1: that people do fact listen to podcasts. Against all odds.
Speaker 1: We get on here assuming that not a soul is
Speaker 1: going to hear, not me, not Ross don't um, but
Speaker 1: I do. I do have a topic. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey, his time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey bussy. I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey bussy. I don't think so honey. Um. Usage of
Speaker 1: the word bussy during sex mostly for example, like when
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of the act and someone says, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like pound my bussy. This to me takes me out
Speaker 1: of it. Um so bussy. It's a boy pussy or
Speaker 1: a butt pussy either way for me. And when when
Speaker 1: people sort of say the word, you can't just be
Speaker 1: like pussy. It's always you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 1: always got like sort of a sort of an energy
Speaker 1: behind it. That's very I don't think. To me, I
Speaker 1: just think like maybe this maybe there's something else, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's maybe there's fun my assho you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, something a little bit more per bussy.
Speaker 1: I don't bussy. And that's one minute, okay, And being
Speaker 1: like have we considered as have we considered pound my ass?
Speaker 1: I there's I would rather say fuck my butt then bussy.
Speaker 1: I mean like, bussy to me is just like I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I feel like we're in a weird
Speaker 1: place with the word pussy. Why bussy? Bussy? Can I try?
Speaker 1: Can I present a theory as to why. It's because
Speaker 1: I agree with you, like I don't want it. It
Speaker 1: takes me out of it. Something about it doesn't sit right.
Speaker 1: So it's a bussy to me is like an internet word. Yea,
Speaker 1: And someone tweeted, do you do you do you remember
Speaker 1: this tweet? It was something to the effect of like
Speaker 1: some gay person tweeted I was I was getting fucked
Speaker 1: by this guy, and then he said, I'm about to
Speaker 1: come on period. I'm about to comment period, Like that's
Speaker 1: what That's what bussy during sex? I guess it reminds
Speaker 1: me of is that, Like it's so darring to hear like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm about to come to think to
Speaker 1: think of you at your most primal, when you're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah on period, Like this is like my coming
Speaker 1: from my movie right now. Honestly, it's reminding me of
Speaker 1: this one time. I um like, this is like a
Speaker 1: few months into quarantine. This is agent. This is right
Speaker 1: when we started to not be scared of having sex
Speaker 1: with people, and I topped this twink who like could
Speaker 1: like had told me luckily after we had sex that
Speaker 1: he bought like seven copies of Cromatica to support album sales.
Speaker 1: And it was it was it was the same where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm I'm like, this is kind
Speaker 1: of taking me out of the experience. The experience. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just a thing of you know
Speaker 1: what happened. It was during my marathon day of the
Speaker 1: other day, my six time extravaganza. I literally, I just
Speaker 1: I just I was watching a pornographic video on the
Speaker 1: site only Fans dot com. You were using a little
Speaker 1: sex ty and watching shaddeas Instagram stories like I was
Speaker 1: watching and just like that, and it was the scene
Speaker 1: where Shade he has just kissing Miranda's nipples saying I'm
Speaker 1: really good at sex. And I was like, I have
Speaker 1: to come on period. I basically had to come on
Speaker 1: period when I saw that. Um no, it was like
Speaker 1: I was watching, I was watching Only Fans like, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of getting my life and I found this one site.
Speaker 1: Um is it is it proper now in the in
Speaker 1: the days like in the in this currently time, like
Speaker 1: if you are a huge fans. Should I say who
Speaker 1: it was? Yeah? Who was? His name was? His name
Speaker 1: is Drew James. And he's unreal. I think he's incredible.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in like a very bottomy mood right now.
Speaker 1: And so he was like he's like definitely like sort
Speaker 1: of like one of those like quiet, intense tops, and
Speaker 1: he like makes direct eye contact with the camera when
Speaker 1: he's fucking and not his partner, which I think is
Speaker 1: the best. I think it's so funny that like his
Speaker 1: partner is like just looking dead in his partner in
Speaker 1: off screen because he is making direct eye contact with
Speaker 1: the camera like communicating with you the viewer. I loved it.
Speaker 1: So while I'm having this moment with him and sort
Speaker 1: of you know, sniffing my pop person like going to
Speaker 1: town on myself during during my covid um sorry coronavirus um,
Speaker 1: the bottom goes gonna make my bussy pop or something
Speaker 1: like bussy my bussy, and He's going bussy, bussy, bussy,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, well, you know when you sniff
Speaker 1: poppers and in the middle of it, something throws you
Speaker 1: off and like then you're just like feel weird and
Speaker 1: stupid and like like not horny anymore like distracted. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like pathetic, had my dick in hand,
Speaker 1: COVID positive, like stroking, coronavirus positive like and now I
Speaker 1: hear the word bussy and then I like, leave my body.
Speaker 1: I look at myself from above and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: pathetic and I just was the word The word busy
Speaker 1: threw me in the gutter emotionally and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And then I like, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: figment poof came and then rolled out of bed and
Speaker 1: much more Teresa Judas, I'm not a figment. I mean,
Speaker 1: I the this porn actor kind of looking directly at camera.
Speaker 1: You gotta give her props for cheating out. Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy is so fucking hot. And also, you know what's crazy,
Speaker 1: Like the other day, I saw one of my favorite
Speaker 1: only fans of people at the grove. Oh, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, do I go
Speaker 1: up and say I'm a fan? Like it was weird.
Speaker 1: You can't do that with only can you? I mean
Speaker 1: you could. I feel like I would not. I feel
Speaker 1: like it would destroy my experience because I don't think
Speaker 1: I need to know a lot of the porn actors
Speaker 1: that I might subscribe to it and only fans, but
Speaker 1: but I relate to like this like coming out Like
Speaker 1: I was watching something recent. I was trying to find
Speaker 1: porns from a specific porn actor and it came across
Speaker 1: the Fourth of July themed one where um, they were
Speaker 1: playing ping pong with their dicks, not as a joke
Speaker 1: in earnest, trying to hit ping pong balls with their
Speaker 1: erect penis. I think I've seen this, okay. And then
Speaker 1: there's another scene where there's like a platter of like
Speaker 1: hot dogs and buns because it's fourth of July, and
Speaker 1: you know that thing where it's like they're having sex
Speaker 1: and a third person enters and the third persons like
Speaker 1: you know, pretends not to notice that they're having sex somehow. Well,
Speaker 1: in this one, one of the guys had his erect
Speaker 1: dick in a hot dog bun on this platter of
Speaker 1: hot dogs, and the other guy was squirting ketchup onto
Speaker 1: his hot dog dick and about to eat it when
Speaker 1: the third person entered the room and pretended not to
Speaker 1: notice that this guy's dick was in a hot dog
Speaker 1: and then like left it was it was performance Hart
Speaker 1: I was going to My favorite two is like in
Speaker 1: an only fans, like when when you see like a
Speaker 1: clip of them just before they funk or just after
Speaker 1: and they forget to turn off the camera and you
Speaker 1: hear them like talk like fags and they're like, wait,
Speaker 1: you know who I think is underrated? Em A Robert.
Speaker 1: It's just like that. Literally, I mean I'm exaggerating, but
Speaker 1: like literally it's like they'll have stopped sucking and then
Speaker 1: they're like like, oh yeah, that was, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for Melanie Lynsky, like real deserved this,
Speaker 1: Melanie Lynskey deserves and then they turned the camera off
Speaker 1: after you just watched them like like truly like get
Speaker 1: so carnal with each other that you feel you're there,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, Melanie Lynski deserves, camera on, gaping holes,
Speaker 1: camera off, Jennifer Coolidge out at the Awards, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean literally literally the other the other day,
Speaker 1: I was watching one and I think it was like
Speaker 1: there were was they were watching like the Carrie Diaries
Speaker 1: in the background. I'm not even kidding you. It was
Speaker 1: like a setup you show that was like really and
Speaker 1: like you just see them fucking and It's like usually
Speaker 1: they have like no music on or like a fun
Speaker 1: playlist on, but this was like ambient ten and it
Speaker 1: was like, I forget what show it was, but it
Speaker 1: was truly like it was Rachel Bilson vibes. Actually, one time,
Speaker 1: and it's the only time I've ever tweeted from my
Speaker 1: porn altar, one time I saw I probably shouldn't even
Speaker 1: say this, but whatever. One time I saw a porn
Speaker 1: and they were fucking to Linda Ronstad's cover of Both
Speaker 1: Sides Now, and I literally I could not resist. I
Speaker 1: was like, how why are you having sex to Linda
Speaker 1: Ronstad's cover up Both Sides Now? I actually it might
Speaker 1: but it was a song like that. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it was that song. Anyways, what were you about? I?
Speaker 1: One of my favorite videos on o F dot com
Speaker 1: is of a massure who likes to put on music
Speaker 1: during his sessions, and he happens to have one of
Speaker 1: the most gorgeous men ever to live, and they end
Speaker 1: up sucking on this massage table. But the music that's
Speaker 1: playing off like a YouTube compilation in the background is
Speaker 1: Ed Sheeran's greatest heats and it is deeply It is
Speaker 1: an obstacle that you have just just you do you do?
Speaker 1: You just have to like transcend and be like I
Speaker 1: I will, I will tolerate this and embrace it. Actually
Speaker 1: you can. I have sucked a guy that loved E
Speaker 1: D M. And we had to have sex to that. Look,
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. You have to m one thing though,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like like it's it's weird. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: when when I'm having sex and like like my playlist
Speaker 1: will run out because that's so long, I can go um,
Speaker 1: like it will go to a song and I will
Speaker 1: have to stop sex if a song is weird, like
Speaker 1: I'll start laughing, like I can't. I I can't pretend
Speaker 1: I do not see slash hear it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'm I'm like, I can't possibly stay
Speaker 1: in this if fucking you know, the like Rainbow Connection
Speaker 1: comes on, I I mean, I I'm not doing it,
Speaker 1: but it's fair not that it would ruins the ambiance
Speaker 1: because of course when the fucking I listen to Kermit
Speaker 1: the Frog Rainbow Connection radio, yeah, and then after that
Speaker 1: at Charon Charon. But you know who's a really sexy
Speaker 1: Rainbow Connection cover? Oh? Unfortunately by con Jason Morass is
Speaker 1: Jason Morez a bi con. He's kind of like, kind
Speaker 1: of very lightly in a very classy way, the Fedora.
Speaker 1: That's biculture, and he's a vegan raw fudist. Actually there
Speaker 1: you go. Like I think a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: like without much like fan fair, he was just kind
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, like I've had I've had sex with
Speaker 1: men and before it was cool. Sure this to you,
Speaker 1: Jason Murrez. The remedy is the experience, Okay, And maybe
Speaker 1: you and I both Sure fuck, I'm horny. I'm for
Speaker 1: Jason Morass, Andrew Garfield, Jay Kay, the Holy Trinity. Yang,
Speaker 1: It is time for your I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Do you have something on today? I do. It's a
Speaker 1: little I feel very strong and I hope you guys agree.
Speaker 1: But this is how I feel, okay about this subject.
Speaker 1: This is bone yangs. I don't think funny. This time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Putting miss Juju
Speaker 1: b into another different iteration of RuPaul's Drag Race, Jujubi
Speaker 1: is in Rupulse Drag Race UK versus the World, the
Speaker 1: sort of international as promised version of like an All
Speaker 1: Stars esque show and crossover that we're gonna have. It's
Speaker 1: a stellar lineup. You've got Monique cart You've got Jimbo,
Speaker 1: You've got um Lemon, You've got a bag of chips,
Speaker 1: You've got Blue Hydra and Nga Cheryl Hole. Juju b
Speaker 1: has been through this enough and she has been susting
Speaker 1: too many times. I cannot will not be able to
Speaker 1: stomach seeing her possibly leaving before top three, top four
Speaker 1: or whatever. And if she doesn't win, then that's even
Speaker 1: That's another like edging scenario where I'm like, just give
Speaker 1: her the fucking wins so that all of us can
Speaker 1: celebration on on the communities. Behalf the community wants to
Speaker 1: see Jujuby win, and the possibility that she might not
Speaker 1: is more than I can process at this point. She
Speaker 1: needs it needs to be a guarantee win or else
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll be able to watch her film.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Thoughts on jujubes participation in RuPaul's
Speaker 1: Drag Race UK versus the World World. Did y'all see
Speaker 1: Queen Queen of the Universe? No, I've I've heard a
Speaker 1: joke and Booster loves it, and I've heard great things.
Speaker 1: I heard. Trixie is hilarious on it trick. I think
Speaker 1: the judges panel is sublime. I think Leona Lewis, Vanessa Williams,
Speaker 1: Trixie and m and they give every pocket of what
Speaker 1: you want from a judges panel. None of this singing.
Speaker 1: It's good, I don't think. But that's not what the
Speaker 1: show is about, you know, it's about the judges panel.
Speaker 1: But Juju be is a contestant on She's she's put herself.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she probably enjoys it. She enjoys
Speaker 1: the beating in this scenarios. But I've got it, I
Speaker 1: can't watch her lose again if that's what we're getting.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's disappointed because she is a winner. She
Speaker 1: is she one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 1: Every time. She has everything it takes to win, and
Speaker 1: it's just like because of another slightly better winner that
Speaker 1: she whatever, and it's like, it's it's hard to watch,
Speaker 1: it's it's painful. I can watch her lose again because
Speaker 1: it means you're gonna watch her, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like if she's not on television, she's not on television,
Speaker 1: Like I think she knows the value of appearing and
Speaker 1: she does that so well every time, so I'm good
Speaker 1: with it. Also, she she signs up for it, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just I am too emotionally. Jujub was like my first,
Speaker 1: like season two was my first. I remember I was there.
Speaker 1: I think we used to watch it, like, well, Matt
Speaker 1: and I would be like, oh my god, you're Raven.
Speaker 1: I'm Jujub ha ha, like we're besties. But like I
Speaker 1: just All Starts five was very hard. I mean, Shakhole
Speaker 1: one of the best contestants ever, rightful winner, but there
Speaker 1: was something that I had to really mourn about dob losing,
Speaker 1: especially in that season when she was and I remember
Speaker 1: when when they announced she as the winner, was off
Speaker 1: social media for like weeks and you could tell that
Speaker 1: she did not take it, but she like had to
Speaker 1: like take some time away from socials and like really
Speaker 1: like and I was and I felt for her. Oh,
Speaker 1: I just there's there. There are a few people in
Speaker 1: like the media landscape I love more than I guess
Speaker 1: like for me, it's like if I'm juju by and
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of the drag race, you know, fandom,
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of how the seasons have gone. I'm
Speaker 1: going into All Stars knowing I'm not the anointed winner.
Speaker 1: Like Shakul was the anointed winner of that season. It
Speaker 1: felt like Trixie Mattel was the anointed winner of that season.
Speaker 1: In so many ways, Kylie Sonik felt like an annointed
Speaker 1: from the beginning. So it almost feels to me like
Speaker 1: I'm not watching All Stars and thinking, well, let me
Speaker 1: really invest in who wins this. It's more about the
Speaker 1: experience of watching it, because to me, All Stars and
Speaker 1: the winning of All Stars is not drag race and
Speaker 1: the winning of a regular like Juju B did not
Speaker 1: win like and and so, and she has not won
Speaker 1: so many times that's part of her legacy now, so
Speaker 1: she I don't know. I guess she shouldn't expect to win. God,
Speaker 1: if she did win, it would be very gratifying because
Speaker 1: it would have been so many times. She's definitely a
Speaker 1: fave of mine as well. But I love Juju B.
Speaker 1: But who out of this cast do you think is
Speaker 1: the annointed winner, because it doesn't it feel like it
Speaker 1: should be someone from the UK, either jujub or maybe
Speaker 1: like Bagga Chips. Yeah, I love bag Up. Bagga is
Speaker 1: so lost me in her like kind of final moments,
Speaker 1: she kind of did what Alaska did and All Stars
Speaker 1: and like she had like such a great kind of
Speaker 1: like record, and then all of a sudden she like
Speaker 1: spiraled about I think it was her mom or something,
Speaker 1: and it was she like exhibited such ugly behavior that
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want you to win anything.
Speaker 1: I did want Alaska to win that season. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: like a perfect season and she's a perfect winner, but
Speaker 1: she did like spin out and that's a reason why
Speaker 1: I didn't like that. Interesting. Interesting, But but we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, i'll watch it's premiering in like two weeks,
Speaker 1: like at the same time. I mean, there's we're we're
Speaker 1: reaching saturation once again. But oh it's oh, is it
Speaker 1: going to be on Fridays too? Are we about to
Speaker 1: have like a weekly state sanctioned four and a half
Speaker 1: hours of drag race this state? Again? It's um, there's
Speaker 1: two state sanction things in this country, violence and drag race. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's February one. It's Tuesdays. That's interesting. So February
Speaker 1: one is also when something else premiers. Oh, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: new season in New Jersey. Maybe I should so I
Speaker 1: know what I'll be watching. I had to other drag show,
Speaker 1: so I get into housewife seasons better when it's airing.
Speaker 1: That's how I did, Yes, so maybe I'll do that
Speaker 1: with Jersey. I'm a bind I'm a binger, babe. I
Speaker 1: love that. Love that for you. Fran Toronto, do you
Speaker 1: have and I don't think so? Honey? I do? I do.
Speaker 1: It's hot, hot off my mind, hot off a friend's mind.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear this. Yes I do. This
Speaker 1: is fran Toronto's I don't think so, honey. Time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Ryah. Okay, I cannot believe
Speaker 1: I've been duped yet again into downloading this insidious, elitist
Speaker 1: as pyramid scheme of Okay, we do not know Listen,
Speaker 1: no one used this this app to meet people, Okay,
Speaker 1: do not patronize me. We come here to validate ourselves
Speaker 1: for month I forget to grow Tieranny okay, and for
Speaker 1: what occasionally matching me with like in Lisbon Toronto. Okay.
Speaker 1: The fuck am I supposed to do with that? Okay?
Speaker 1: It has done nothing for my dating life. It has
Speaker 1: sent me the same fifteen instan famous people over and
Speaker 1: over again to have the audacity to say fifty don't
Speaker 1: have any profiles anymore because we're fostering at community. You
Speaker 1: should foster some fucking self respect because you don't even
Speaker 1: deserve to have the same name as Ryan the Dragon,
Speaker 1: who was a superior in every way. Okay, you are
Speaker 1: fucking tinder for class traders, and I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: You're so right. Honestly, I two things I forgot. It
Speaker 1: costs that much a month, and I have to delete it.
Speaker 1: I don't have to. And also when you scroll for
Speaker 1: even forty five seconds and then they're out of people,
Speaker 1: I lose my mind. And they have a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: people on the waitlist. Like so, I was just reading
Speaker 1: articles about this, like it's crazy Bowen Yang was on
Speaker 1: the wait list for a really long time and it
Speaker 1: was unacceptable. Well, I think, like this is my this
Speaker 1: is my thing with the figment popcorn bucket of it
Speaker 1: all at Disney, which is creating an artificial scarcity. Is
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey to that, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's that is the frustrating thing about Ryan, And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like why am I Why am I really gonna
Speaker 1: like hit hard on like someone from like Carunia Spain,
Speaker 1: like I don't, like, I don't know what I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to do with someone who who does live in Vancouver,
Speaker 1: Like it's like like what am I why? Why am
Speaker 1: I making all of this calculus in my head about
Speaker 1: like who I swipe right on? It's it's it's really
Speaker 1: it's so crazy, it's gross and it really it. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is my second time downloading it. I feel like
Speaker 1: totally gas lit. I feel like it's like it's just
Speaker 1: like it's so sexless. I don't know anybody who's met
Speaker 1: off of like right, it's LinkedIn with dua lipa songs.
Speaker 1: Look what I'm doing right now, we're moving up. She's
Speaker 1: doing well. You have to on subscribe, you have to me,
Speaker 1: and that's how they get you. That's how they get you.
Speaker 1: That's how they get you. It is. It is a pyramid.
Speaker 1: It is multi level marketing because you have to each
Speaker 1: other and then you create the scarce and even Telly,
Speaker 1: I have friends that are structurally hotter than me that
Speaker 1: have not been accepted to the app yet. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how it works or how like the
Speaker 1: moderation works. I feel like I've like swipe right on,
Speaker 1: like lil nas like so many times, and every time
Speaker 1: I feel like manic and pathetic, and it's like, why
Speaker 1: do you have you? I know I could be banned,
Speaker 1: probably for talking about celebrities on but I honestly hope
Speaker 1: I get banned because then I'll be free. Though they
Speaker 1: want you, they want us to have this conversation. It's exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean. I was just watching ContraPoints video on v
Speaker 1: per recommendation and really made me think about this specifically,
Speaker 1: which is, oh my god. And I've I've already talked
Speaker 1: about the Envy video, but like that is like all
Speaker 1: of her themes woven, all the things she's talked about
Speaker 1: over the last several years woven into the same video.
Speaker 1: And it's a mass a piece. It is her masterpiece.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for her to make more. But like that,
Speaker 1: she really hasn't been on well. She she she does
Speaker 1: like one. She'll do like one video every six months
Speaker 1: or one every year, but they're all like they're always
Speaker 1: like two hours long. Um, she's genius, Natalie okay, Um.
Speaker 1: This was a really beautiful episode. What can we say
Speaker 1: I mean other than it felt like it felt like
Speaker 1: if and honestly felt like an episode that we just
Speaker 1: do together. Like we almost forgot to ask you the question.
Speaker 1: We were just shooting the damn ship. We were shooting
Speaker 1: the damn ship. We talked about Chay, we talked about
Speaker 1: House five, Spider Man. There was Kathy with Stello accountability,
Speaker 1: which is I think I think that was the most
Speaker 1: necessary part of this whole. It's the most important conversation
Speaker 1: we should be having today, truly. Actually, and I will
Speaker 1: leave that conversation next to the conversation about Rya for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm this is this is, this is the thing. We
Speaker 1: there's something for everyone. Okay, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: It's been a long time coming. We tried to do
Speaker 1: this in l ages ago. Oh my god. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you got we all got to listen to Like a Virgin.
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling you probably already do. Everyone
Speaker 1: out there. Maybe if you don't, then you should. Okay,
Speaker 1: I heard siblings. I heard sister and sister's sister. You
Speaker 1: must listen to Like a Virgin? Is are what are
Speaker 1: the thoughts coming back? Yeah? We are back. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have, um, you know, a very undedicated cadence to
Speaker 1: this dream. But yeah, we we just recorded a bunch
Speaker 1: of episodes, so they're coming out on Sundays or Tuesdays
Speaker 1: to pay y'all, y'all are very unjust like that. Y'all
Speaker 1: know I was gonna say, y'all are very curb your enthusiasm.
Speaker 1: So true. Well, honestly, the reason we had to create
Speaker 1: Like a Virgin is because most of the thoughts don't
Speaker 1: consume contemporary culture. Because and I just needed someone to
Speaker 1: talk to you about the things. So but we had
Speaker 1: we did talk about Salt Lake City, um quite a bit. Oh,
Speaker 1: everyone's out the thoughts watch slowly. No, Den doesn't. We
Speaker 1: still have to break her into it. But like you know,
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was an experience, well dead
Speaker 1: was Dead was sort of, you know, the audience surrogate
Speaker 1: for anyone who hasn't want exactly exactly. I feel like
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City is sort of the housewives franchise that
Speaker 1: broke through with like Bushwick. Actually, yeah, actually you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think yes, but yes, you're right, you're right
Speaker 1: because the women well I don't know if this has
Speaker 1: much to do with but but the women are like
Speaker 1: so I would say it's maybe one of the more
Speaker 1: stable casts of housewives franchise because of Whitney and Heather. Somehow,
Speaker 1: I also think Meredith, even though she has so fallen
Speaker 1: from grace, is very stable. Yes, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: grounding components to it that I think make it easier
Speaker 1: to watch or less polarizing. But it's it's just it
Speaker 1: is just took a really good gateway until a lot
Speaker 1: of the other franchises, I believe, and one of the best, honestly,
Speaker 1: especially especially this season. Now, friend, before we go, um
Speaker 1: you know that we end every episode of the song
Speaker 1: we would like you to choose the song You would
Speaker 1: like me to choose the song to be any song,
Speaker 1: any song, Oh my God, and we'll know it. You
Speaker 1: will guarantee, guaranteed, um bone and I are amazing. There
Speaker 1: were a couple of songs that were mentioned on this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why don't will you? Will you? Will you pick? I?
Speaker 1: Honestly I could never. I could never. I would be
Speaker 1: it would be too presumptuous. Your fans would eat me.
Speaker 1: Alive responsibility actually yeah, very neat. I look to live
Speaker 1: this church, this churchy way, but this live Usians are
Speaker 1: oh really, no mist