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Speaker 1: I I loved I love No Way Home though. It

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Speaker 1: was so loved. I love the honestly now leading competitor

425
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Speaker 1: for maybe most homo erotic Marvel film in the m CU.

426
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Speaker 1: Like maybe we were literally just talking about this with

427
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Speaker 1: Joel on the podcast booster Um, But yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: No Way Home is is up there. What do y'all

429
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,239
Speaker 1: think because you are m C U can't love MC

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Speaker 1: you the way that UM like they found that when

431
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: they go back and like, UM, Andrew Garfield and told

432
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: McGuire are just like hanging on each other. I was like,

433
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: first of all, and I want to say this, and

434
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: I want I know I'm with my sisters when I

435
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: say this. The sexual activities that I would like to

436
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: participate in with Andrew Garfield range from they're They're numerous.

437
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: I would like to have every I like to explore

438
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: parts of myself I never knew I I want to

439
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: stop short by saying specifically what it is, but because

440
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't want to sound on

441
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: couth on toward. But let's just say that. I when

442
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: he appeared on screen a spider Man and started talking

443
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: with his little mouth, I was like, he is so hot.

444
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: And I used to be on this big Sebastian stand

445
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: kick and I have to say, Andrew Garfield has taken

446
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: my number one spot. He's so hot, he's so good,

447
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: he's so good a tick boom, he was so good

448
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: in No Way Home. I'm obsessed with Andrew Garfield. I

449
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: love him. He's so good. I really like I loved

450
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Speaker 1: how to Me, Like, I love that all the Spider

451
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: Man's were kind of playing like a a very different

452
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: like Spider Man, but I love that like Andrew Garfields

453
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: was kind of this like like guys, like, what's like

454
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: this sensitive kind of like oh there were my feelings

455
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: kind of like it was so like nuance. It was

456
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: very like fan servicing, but like there was nothing about

457
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: it that I disliked. Like I just like loved every

458
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: second of the this like three Spider Man exchange Joel

459
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: Joel Kim Booster has said that it is not a movie,

460
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: that it is just like a theme park ride, and

461
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: I am totally okay with that. It is the first,

462
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, um Marvel movie to use only a meme

463
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: as its source material, like Spider Man's pointing at each other.

464
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: It really just went for it and that I knew,

465
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to rectifying source material, brave,

466
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: very well done. Can I just say this is what

467
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: No Way Home gets right, And this is what this

468
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: is what I tend to actually enjoy about reboots, And

469
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: this is why maybe sex maybe this this is wh

470
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just like that it's kind of like not

471
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: really being neither right way all the time. Even though

472
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: I also love it and I'm so excited for the finale,

473
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm very sad that it's ending. Final Fantasy seven is

474
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: one of the best games of all time, you consider

475
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: when the best games of all time they rebooted it.

476
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: It took like twenty plus years to reboot completely ground

477
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: up PS four remake. And the story changes have to

478
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: do with like, all of a sudden, there's there are

479
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: all these hooded ghosts that like swirl around you at

480
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: various points in the story, and you're like, who the

481
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: hell are these people? What are they supposed to do?

482
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: And they keep like writing the story, they keep like, um,

483
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: anytime the story deviates from the original, these hooded people

484
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: come into like set it back to what it was.

485
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: And then you find out in the end that like

486
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: they're supposed to represent the fans, they represent the fans

487
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: of the original game too, like to be like, oh no,

488
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: like this is a presence in the game, there's no

489
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: way you like right out the discourse around something that's

490
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: so beloved, and so you have to basically like incorporate

491
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: it somehow into the story. And I feel like no

492
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: way home does that, And way, and and just like

493
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: that maybe doesn't I don't know what I'm getting at,

494
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: but like, there's something very satisfying about acknowledging the fans.

495
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: There's something cool about fans service. A fan service is

496
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: not like bad on its face. I don't think, Yeah,

497
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it's like intrinsically cheap

498
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: at all. Like I thought that everything that was done

499
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: in No Way Home was like so earned, you know

500
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: what I mean? I agree, yeah, And I also think

501
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: we're at the point now with these films where they

502
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge the Like this movie I think actually

503
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: was acknowledging and commenting on the fandom. That's kind of

504
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: what the multiverse is. It's about how you do return

505
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: to these characters in different iterations all these times, and

506
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: how in a way, like our opinion on one is

507
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: affected by the other. And so this is that in practice,

508
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's these worlds actually colliding because you know,

509
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: we as fans of Spider Man or whatever, um, you know,

510
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: we do that all the time in our heads and

511
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: our heads and our discussions of them. Know, it is

512
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: just pure fun. But I also do think it does

513
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: serve as a useful installment of the m c U.

514
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: It just was it was just different. And also you

515
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: can you can remember this film in a way that

516
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: you're not going to remember a lot of the other ones,

517
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think that they do

518
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: have to get inventive in bold with these things. And

519
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: even if people think, well, that's just fans service on

520
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: face value, like I have to break it to you,

521
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: like these are superhero movies, Like they are made to

522
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: service the fans like that, that's that is why they

523
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: are made. And so people you know, coming in with

524
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: the criticism of this is one of my least favorite

525
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: m CU movies because it's just a theme park ride,

526
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Like what what would you consider the other ones? Like

527
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: what what was Black Widow if not a theme park ride?

528
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: What is The Avengers exactly if not a theme park ride?

529
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: Like I understand that people might place certain um films

530
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: that you know, have like a tour directors or like whatever,

531
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, someone might be a fucking Eternal Stint

532
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: because they love what Chloe Esau did with it, But

533
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: you know that was less of a theme park ride.

534
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: So so it's different strokes. I guess. Yeah, I think

535
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: that's my thing with reboots is like I think something

536
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: that I loved about No Way Home is that I

537
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: think if you're gonna do like a reboot of any

538
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: kind or like bring back things, it's like you need

539
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: to like kind of radically reimagine it. And a lot

540
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: of these like kind of reboots so to speak, are

541
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: just not doing that at all. And I don't know,

542
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: obviously it's like complicated if like the original thing was

543
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: like a little problematic in some way because trying to

544
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: like rectify that, you know, creates another the city I'm

545
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: talking about, I mean, I'm talking about sex in the city.

546
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like West Side Story. Honestly, I like that,

547
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: which I a movie that I loved but like walked

548
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: away with it being like what was revised? And like

549
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: for who? And like how like I It's like I

550
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: think I get really like interested in like I don't

551
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: know how um we verify authenticity versus like representation versus

552
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: like what will gets what won't get you canceled versus

553
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: like what is just you know, good TV but it's

554
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: just a good story. And I think that people don't

555
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: understand that there's no resolute point to any of those things,

556
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: and that's why we're always going to disagree on them.

557
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: And if it's like for a specifically marginalized community, like

558
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: lack of visibility and scarcity mentality gives us this like

559
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: lizard brain that compels us to tweet like the meanest

560
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: things about it, and like that's not the creator's fault,

561
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: but it is like a responsibility that you now have

562
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: if you're going to like make this thing, you know

563
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: what I mean? I agree? I agree. Wow, I'm getting

564
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: really excited now about Samantha, you know, And I don't

565
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: mean to I don't mean to throw that out there.

566
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: And then obviously because the odds of it happening are

567
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: so low and also that it wouldn't be leaked is crazy.

568
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking to myself, they've now batted her

569
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: around so many times, like the like if you know

570
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: Chekhov's gun babe, Like it just is what it is.

571
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, honestly, what's really going to happen is

572
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Samantha's going to enter the m c O and and

573
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: Kim Control is gonna be I don't know, like some

574
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: sex robot or something like that. Like I don't know,

575
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I will be there for it I am,

576
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I have something to report. Oh yeah, I took it

577
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: upon myself to directly text a new Is this rumor

578
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: true that SJB checked the vomit for the actual takes

579
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: we're discussing on Los culture is just at this very moment,

580
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: I said, incredible episode. She goes, she's currently the speech

581
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: bubble is in the ellipsis, but she goes, O MG, Bowen,

582
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: this is an actual, real, true thing. I will I

583
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: will tell you more as I information as I receive it.

584
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: But she's currently texting me I think amissive about what

585
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: happened on that day. You are blowing my mind. I'm

586
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: so happy, but you you introduced I would not have

587
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: known about this if you didn't tell us. It's crazy,

588
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: it's amazing, it's she deserves and egot, she is one

589
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: of we. We have repeatedly said on this podcast, you

590
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: cannot deny what she is doing. And look for all

591
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: the big swings that are happening with the show, Carrie

592
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: Bradshaw is still she suffered and she is she is

593
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: still that girl. She remains that girl. And when every

594
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: episode ends and you're still on the journey with Carrie,

595
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm still like, Okay, great. I'm still here. I'm still

596
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: on board because it is Carrie bradst of Parker doing

597
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: what the other girls really said that they would do

598
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: and then didn't. But because so so all the sort

599
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: of craziness with the Miranda storyline, like the sort of

600
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: the betrayal, like that is happening with Steve, you know,

601
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: to see him flop around that farmer's market. I mean,

602
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: it was just it was just too much for me personally.

603
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just not this is not

604
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: what I signed up for here. But Steve is just

605
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: way too hot for that. It's just it's not it's

606
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: not believable that someone named Steve could be so like

607
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: Steck sexless and that he and that that's sexual energy

608
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: that he gives when you buck like that in the

609
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: year two one doesn't like like like he didn't forget

610
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: how to funk? I'm sorry, like, like it's it's not

611
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: it's not a world I want to live in. It's

612
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: not a place I'm willing to go with the show.

613
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to a place of Steve forgot

614
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: how to fuck. Miranda's over it. Let's just have Miranda

615
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: be over it. If Miranda is going to decide that

616
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: she is ready to move on to a new chapter

617
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: of her life. That's fine, but stop making Steve look

618
00:34:53,160 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: like this, like fucking clown. Yeah, poor Steve, Steve. I

619
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what. The something that the

620
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: reboot is doing is Charlotte has become my favorite character

621
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: wanting I'm not joking, I'm not joking. I mean, okay,

622
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: I think listen the episode where she is acquiring, if

623
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: not mere kidnapping black people to diversify her friend group

624
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: was kind of egregious. However, she has given I've laughed

625
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: the most, I've lulled the most at like Charlotte jokes.

626
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: I think that her fillers are adding to her character.

627
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: I think you riching, enriching the experience of her line delivery.

628
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: I was never a Charlotte fan, was never a Charlotte

629
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: stand and something about this reboot, I'm kind of into it. Okay,

630
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: So she's still your least favorite because because you you

631
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: see yourself in her or and you assenta, no, it's

632
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: not that, you bitch. What I would say is I

633
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: just you'll like Charlotte. She's always been the one that's like, well,

634
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm willing to learn, but it's just kind of like

635
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: you would know this, like like her stumbling into ltw's

636
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: party and immediately barreling over to the woman and being like,

637
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: hey girl, it's you, and then that's not me. And

638
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: then the the when when when he said, um so,

639
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: who who's read Zadie Smith? I'm like, this is like

640
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: this is this feels too much for me again dumbing

641
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: them down too far. It's not even dumbing them down.

642
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: I think, like, no, this is perfect. This is a

643
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: perfect example for Charlotte to know like z D. Smith

644
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: and to know, like be very familiar about the work

645
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: of like black artists, like the way that she sort

646
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: of like schools everybody like schools LTWS mother in law

647
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: about like that piece being like an investment, Like you

648
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: must have somewhat of a nuanced like view on race

649
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: to not then recruit black people to come your dinner party,

650
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: Like that's what like is dissonant to me. But but Charlotte,

651
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I can't. I haven't made up

652
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: my mind on her and about Yeah, I thought that

653
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: episode was like unforgivable. I had a really hard time

654
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: with it, not necessarily because it was like an unrealistic

655
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: thing for her to go through. I think that's like

656
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: a problem that white people deal with, Like sure like

657
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: about it, but like but like, um, it was just

658
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: at no point was it explained that her behavior was abhorrent.

659
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: And so when she told LTW like oh yeah, like

660
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm like this is what I did, she was like, yeah, sure,

661
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: go off, queen. It was like, what, like that was

662
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: my issue with it? It was I was just like

663
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: I really would have appreciated a moment where lt W

664
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: would have just been like really lame like these like

665
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: we're not just like props for you at a dinner party,

666
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: like even if you were trying to make it comfort

667
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: comfortable for me, Like what about her? And then what

668
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: did you end up disinviting her? Because I couldn't go,

669
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: like you lied to this woman, Like I just feel

670
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: like I I don't buy LTW because she was like

671
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: just the way she reacted, I was I just couldn't understand.

672
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, how are we in fact challenging

673
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: Charlotte as a character if she's not going to like

674
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: answer for her actions in this episode in any way?

675
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: How what in what way are we seeing the development

676
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: of this character If this white woman gets away with

677
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: doing this like stupid ship exactly. So that episode, Like,

678
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I think like Charlotte is

679
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: a character where she's like, I'm going to get an

680
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: A on my an a plus on my report card

681
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: and ask for extra credit, you know what I mean.

682
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: So of course when like this like cultural wave hits her,

683
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: she thinks that's something that she can win. So, you know,

684
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: even in this last episode where she like randomly dropped

685
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: a Demilovado quote, I was like, in my head, I

686
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: was like that was wild. But then I like went

687
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: back further and I was like, well, if Charlotte's trying

688
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: to like learn more about her on binary kid, Demi

689
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: Levado is going to be one of the first Google

690
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: might be there. You know, I'm honestly giving it a

691
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: lot of passes, but I think my real thing is

692
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: like it feels true to character, even if it is

693
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: hard to watch. First of all, we all know that

694
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: the most famous Demi Levado quote is not sorry, not sorry,

695
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: It's that Froyo Stan tried to kill me. If we're

696
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna quote no no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry,

697
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: this is the most famous quote. So I went up

698
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: to her and I beat the ship out of her

699
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: or whatever. From what was it? She like, it was

700
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna beat that bitch up. I'm gonna

701
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: beat that bitch up. It was from the documentary where

702
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: they heard about one of their backup dancers talking shit

703
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: or something. Anyway, so I said, I'm going to beat

704
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: that bit. I watched the first fifteen minutes of that

705
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: documentary because the YouTube algorithm is so cruel to me,

706
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean, simply complicated, simply complicated. I don't think I

707
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: made it that far, but I did learn a lot

708
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: about Demi Levado, So you know, Demo continues to be

709
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: one of the most thrilling presences, especially recently when they

710
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: like sang to an alien about their trauma or something

711
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: like there wasn't There wasn't. There was an article that

712
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: was that came out that was like Demi Levado has

713
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: sung to an alien and as a result discovered the aliens.

714
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: Um they're producing a show about extraterrestrial where everything good

715
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: is it's on Peacock, of course, on Peacock Peck. Peacock

716
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: is giving what the what everyone else wants to give.

717
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying this as uh An NBC employee.

718
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: I do love Peacock on Peacock every day, all day

719
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: for to watch Real Housewives of New Jersey. I'm on

720
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Peacock watching Stay by the Bell. I'm on Peacock watching

721
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: Real Houses of Miami. So goodt Wait, fran fran you'd

722
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: love you? What are you would legit? Love it? Well?

723
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: I have to now I have a Peacock subscription to

724
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: have to watch them. Ultimate Girls Trip Um The Ultimate

725
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: Girls Trip gave everything. Y'all watched it the first couple

726
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: episodes and okay, it's pretty enjoyable. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah,

727
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I thought it was like, honestly really frightening

728
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: how much they gave you a behind the scenes of

729
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: like filming the show, and asked about what the experience

730
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: of filming the show was like because they don't do that.

731
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: It's particularly like crazy for me because I don't know

732
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: if y'all I think I told both this, but like,

733
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: I had never seen a single episode of any Housewives

734
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: franchise before the pandemic, and when the pandemic started, I

735
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: watched all of New York, all of Beverly Hills, three

736
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: seasons of Atlanta, all of Salt Lake, and two seasons

737
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: of Potomac and like, like I just devoured it in

738
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: one like adult like stoned. Yeah, like kind of like

739
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: mind fuck um and so like I think finally watching

740
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: Ultimate Girl Trip, which you know, everyone always talks about Housewives,

741
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: All Stars whatever, it was so different and like tender,

742
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's not what you would it's

743
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: not what you would expect. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't cross.

744
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: It's not a bad but I loved it. What about

745
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: so y'all you liked you y'all liked Ultimate Girls Trip.

746
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed The Ultimate Girls Trip because sort of

747
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: like you like, during during the pandemic, I think I

748
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: really went into the Housewives of it all because just

749
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: because there's so much of it to watch, and I

750
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: think volume is important when you have a lot of time.

751
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, here's this big old thing

752
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: that I could never tackle outside of this. But I

753
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: think I watched, you know, thirty one seasons of Survivor

754
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of episodes of Housewives. And what

755
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: I liked about The Ultimate Girls Trip was yes, of

756
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: course that they broke the fourth wall, but also that

757
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: it seemed like they got very very very much a

758
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: diversity of experience, like you definitely have the people there

759
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: that have only ever been hero protagonists and then people

760
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: that there that have been villainized by the oh, and

761
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, certain dynamics like the Theresa Judas and Melissa

762
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: Gorga dynamic is I think a really interesting one. And

763
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: I'm very into Jersey now and I recommend everyone watched

764
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: Jersey because it's it's it's different. Like I always say,

765
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: every house size franchise is about something different, and I

766
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: deeply believe that Jersey is about like the patriarchy and

767
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: about the whole that that the patriarchy has on these

768
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: women especially, and that's sort of like Italian American culture,

769
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: where it is very much what the man says goes.

770
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: And you know, Theresa goes to prison because of the

771
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: actions of her husband, and I think that you see

772
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: her development over time, and then to see Ultimate Girls Trip,

773
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: you sort of get like a different perspective on her.

774
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: I like Theresa a lot in Ultimate Girals Trip because

775
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really watch Jersey and I was like, oh,

776
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: what's like, she seems perfectly great. I don't know, she

777
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: comes off like a clown when you don't know what

778
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: what New New Jersey Housewives is. Like I remember when

779
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: when I when the first image I ever saw of

780
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: Teresa Judais was prostitution and we're flipping the table. I

781
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's a show about a crazy person.

782
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: That's a television show, but a crazy individual who's off

783
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: her rocker, and I'm not watching Jersey. Then you do

784
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: watch it, and you actually you get surprised because you

785
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: actually fall in love with Theresa a little bit and

786
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: you understand, mind you like, this is something else there.

787
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: It's not like a no, like she's like monstrous, but

788
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: but but Teresa, Like it's interesting because all these women

789
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: start this show, they're very family first and they're very

790
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: much in service to their husbands and their children, and

791
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: it's like, you don't talk about our husbands, you don't

792
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: talk about our children, like I'm on my family stick

793
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: thieves all that stuff inside. And then like as these

794
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: women gain autonomy because they're on the show, and then

795
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: you see Teresa Judas in like Ultimate Girls Trip and

796
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: like a new relationship and it's like a businesswoman and

797
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: the best selling author and all these things. It's like, oh,

798
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: she definitely has had to evolve and transform from this

799
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: person who was just a Jersey housewive to now understanding

800
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: how big the world is, and like, you know, that

801
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: development is interesting to track. So that's what I liked

802
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: about The Ultimate Girls Trip. I haven't watched Jersey, but

803
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: like Matt, I love like your thematic readings of like

804
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: housewive franchises. It's like that was so my experience of

805
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: watching Beverly Hill season two, Like I remember just like

806
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: watching everything go down and being like I mean obviously

807
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: like I was like smoking, but like I was just like, well,

808
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: obviously this is like a microcosum and perhaps the greatest

809
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: argument as to why like wealth is a disease and

810
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: how classism effects like the human psyche, you know what

811
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's it really like you do watch

812
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: how like these women's lives are so like warped and

813
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: like so outside of an actual reality that their problems,

814
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, just like blow up in obviously they

815
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: have to do it for TV two, but like the

816
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,959
Speaker 1: way they blow up their problems is still very real,

817
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it just like speaks

818
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: to your like, oh my god, wow, like these women

819
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: are really actually going through this thing. Matt, what would

820
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: you say that thematic rate on Miami is now that

821
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: it's you know, Miami is interesting. Um, Miami is sort

822
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: of being carried by one cast member. Her name is Alexia,

823
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: and um she Um, she is dealing with well, her husband,

824
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: her ex husband who's now deceased. She's found out was gay,

825
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: and she's meeting his lover and like sort of finding

826
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: out about that and now she's in a new relationship.

827
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: And I don't think I've I don't think I've really

828
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: put my finger on what exactly it is in Miami.

829
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: But um, because I think that Miami hasn't really figured

830
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: itself out yet, and I'm not super familiar with the

831
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: old seasons. I have watched the reunions, but um, there's

832
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: something there. One thing I will say about Miami is

833
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: that they have their their complexes. Um about plastic surgery

834
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: and youth seemed to be different than the other, which

835
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: is saying something. I don't know what it is, but

836
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: it seems like, um, the the cosmetic enhancements there are

837
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: on another level. I don't and I'm not sure if

838
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: that's like a comment on Miami or like that type

839
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: of culture, but there's definitely that thing of like panic

840
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: about a husband moving on from you. Um, the founding

841
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: of the Fountain of youth chasing is very palpable, you

842
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: know what I mean, which is across all these franchises.

843
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, some sort of turn up the dials on

844
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: certain things more than others. I love that. I kind

845
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: of went up. Now should I watch Miami? I love

846
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: you this look. I also love this spice you put on.

847
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: I love because I thought and then if someone said

848
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: was like accents on the eye, this is this is

849
00:47:54,080 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: this is giving you guys doing the cafe boostello ads.

850
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Do you think they reach out? You can cut this

851
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: if you want. Do you think they reach out like

852
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: being like, oh this Latin podcast lost culture resta. This

853
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: is actually why for the sole reason of we're not

854
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: cutting a moment of accountability, a moment of accountability for

855
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: appropriation in the Latin community. That's actually why I'm here. Um,

856
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: And now we've said it. We take accountability in so

857
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: far as Spanish is a colonizer's language, and therefore we

858
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: are actually totally not accountable because it's not our language.

859
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: It's literally culture. Rea's like fashion, and we put the

860
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: we put loss because we thought, oh, that's just like

861
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: that's what you said, and then I don't know. Honestly,

862
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: this is very um. This is also giving uh, not

863
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: to excuse Aaron Sorkin's remarks, but like the people that

864
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: we're mad about Javier Burden being cast as because they

865
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: were like, he's not Latin, and I was like Desi

866
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: Arnaz was like white, like he he went through a

867
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: time where obviously like his Latina dad was the marginalization,

868
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: but he was still white and it's like, I don't

869
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: it's it's fine by me for like a white person

870
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: to play like a different kind of white person, you

871
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And also he was amazing. He

872
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: was really was. He was so good. I'm sorry, like

873
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: he transcended the race. It's honest, it's honestly kind of

874
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: how like I mean, I think it happens more with

875
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: like straight women or straight women actors and straight Maile actors.

876
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: But like when straight women nail a queer role, no

877
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: one says anything, like no one's that you're talking about, Carol,

878
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm not calling in.

879
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful performance. I think sometimes you just

880
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: stick the landing and it's fine. I don't like to

881
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: see Jared Leto planning a transgender woman obviously, like that's crazy,

882
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: Like that's deeply coming at the expense of of of

883
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: an actor in their opportunity, and like we see in

884
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: Disclosure in like that amazing documentary that Netflix put out,

885
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: like just how damaging that is over time. But like

886
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: when it's like, um, when it's Kate Blanchet or if

887
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: it's or if it's just like you know, I don't know,

888
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: like Harry Styles, I guess is playing a gay policeman

889
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: coming up this year, and yeah, a gay cop or something,

890
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, look, ultimately, like I do think

891
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: that there there should be a lot more representation across

892
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: the board, and like maybe we should, I don't know,

893
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: but never all these gay cops. Didn't Lena Wait to

894
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: play like a gay cop cops or whatever and she

895
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: was an animated gay police And also wait, wait, there's

896
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: a didn't doesn't Will Truman and Will and Grace fall

897
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: in love with a gay cop? Really yeah, when he's

898
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: a Bobby kind of Valet played gay cop and he's hot,

899
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: he's so hot Bobby kind of Alli and Eric McCormick

900
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: both straight. But the and the thing is like it

901
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: gets a little exhaust thing over time, but I don't

902
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I don't even know if

903
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: I have a backup for why. But every single time

904
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: it feels like it's announced that a straight actor is

905
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: playing a queer role, it feels like the response is

906
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: the same, which is like, funk that's funk funk this,

907
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, like we like we

908
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: don't know what exactly the role entails. Like I don't

909
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: even really know what I'm saying here. Obviously I want

910
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: to argue for more representation that's proper, but I just

911
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: don't believe that it should be a blanket condemnation of

912
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: every single casting decision. It feels weird to me. This

913
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: is this is maybe an unfair question to pose, map,

914
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: but like, if they cast a straight guy to play

915
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: your role in this TV show, you would be doing

916
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: and and let's just spoil that maybe this character that

917
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: you're playing is gay. I mean, like I would be annoying.

918
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, but like not that you would like know

919
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: that you were up for that part, or maybe you

920
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: do know that you're up for that part. I have

921
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: I have recently gone in for auditions that have been

922
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: listed as gay and then in the casting they change

923
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: it to straight, you know what I mean, Like like

924
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: so like I don't know, like it's it's weird, Like

925
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: I think the best person should play the part, and

926
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: I often feel that queer roles are just best going

927
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: to be played by queer people. But I'm not casting it,

928
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm not directing it like I do. I do like

929
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: hand it over to these people to make those decisions,

930
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: and you hope that you know they're making these decisions

931
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: based on talent and based on suitability for the part,

932
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: and it's not just some studio note of being like,

933
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: well can we get a fucking straight actor in here?

934
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: That's like a name. Sometimes sometimes it is that, which

935
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: which which is definitely I think the case. I don't know.

936
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: I just I'm talking about the blanket statement of it

937
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: all where it just feels like, yeah, it's not it's

938
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: not a global it's not a blanket applicated. Yeah, I

939
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: get what you're saying. I am also, like you, Matt,

940
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: like kind of concretizing my thoughts on this, Like I

941
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: think it's like a case by case kind of like nuancing,

942
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, I think it gets more contentious when like

943
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: the role center's queerness. It's like it's a experience that

944
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: I think with trans and general conforming people specifically, it's like,

945
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: because there's a much bigger lack of opportunities for transactors,

946
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: like that creates like a just an It's something that's

947
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: very frustrating to watch like happen. But like I totally agree,

948
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: it's like, what what do you do with heterosexual fagotry?

949
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, like I think that, Um, honestly, this is

950
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: a very good segue to the Matty morphosis of it all.

951
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: Have y'all watched drag Race. I have not finished this

952
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: this most recent episode I saw it. I mean, but

953
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: and you know, it's funny. It frustrates me what's going

954
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: on on drag Rass with Mattie morphosis because and but

955
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: this is what frustrates me about it. It's not necessarily

956
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: that Matty Morphosis is on the show. It's the other

957
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: contestants the way that I think they're being told to

958
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: discuss it. I just don't believe that there's gonna be

959
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: no one in that room that's going to confront Matty

960
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: morphosis about it. I don't believe for a second that

961
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: these ten other drag queens who are drag queens like

962
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: primarily as a result of their queer experience and as

963
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: a result of the way that they've had to like navigate,

964
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, becoming performers, and the lack of opportunity for

965
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: them that they've been you know, you know, led to

966
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: drag and fall in love with drag. For that reason,

967
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't believe that universally, every single one of them

968
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: is literally going to be like I say, work Maddie, like, yes,

969
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: drake guys in drag, like absolutely, it's time to knock

970
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: down the door. I don't believe for the second that

971
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: that's the reality of that workroom and the emotional temperature

972
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: of that workroom. So I resent that it's being portrayed

973
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: portrayed that way. To be honest with you, it's palpable,

974
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: especially if you watch Untucked, Like you can see what

975
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: those girls are thinking. Ye know what, I should say

976
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: it and they should be allowed to say it. And

977
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: that's I think. That's like, I just don't believe that

978
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: that we need to be like straight rights drag. I

979
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: just don't. I do love that RU came in and

980
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: basically like gay bullied Maddie morphrisis because like good she

981
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: came in and she was like, I mean, I don't

982
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: know how far you are bo. But she basically came

983
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: in and was like immediately immediately out's Maddie and the girls,

984
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: well that all these girls are gonna be like what

985
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: the funck? But she also said something to the effect

986
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: of like are you afraid you're gonna be a fag?

987
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: By the end of this, you know, it's like and

988
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: it's like that is actually like the thing I would

989
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: always want to have said to like Maddie Morpheus is

990
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, um, but I don't know. I mean I

991
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: think if you watch on Tuck, I think she she

992
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: says a lot of like the right things. But at

993
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: the end of this like spiel, she says something something

994
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: to the effect of like, um, like, well, I don't

995
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: actually think that straight people should do drag, Like I

996
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: actually don't think it's like a lot of straight people

997
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: should do drag or whatever. And I'm like, you can't

998
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: say that on the biggest platform in the world for drag,

999
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: like sitting right here, Like it's just it makes it

1000
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: just looks so crazy. But at that way, beyond that,

1001
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: like she really ate the runway. It was kind of sick.

1002
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: I I mean, there's nothing to knock about what Maddie presented.

1003
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Maddie presented very competitive drag on the show.

1004
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: It's it's like, not about that for me. It's for me,

1005
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: it's about the way that the show is framing the

1006
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: responses of the other queens. I just don't buy it.

1007
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: It's gaslighting. It's very but I mean love. I mean,

1008
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: I think the cast this so far, it's like really

1009
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: like I'm very excited for Aingeria to go up against

1010
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: like corn Bread. Maybe also, I don't know. I loved Bosco,

1011
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: I loved Carrie. Carrie seems nervous, but like I'm rooting

1012
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: for Carrie the show girl. Carrie stunning. I'm I'm obsessed

1013
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: with Willow and we love Willow Pill, truly obsessed. I

1014
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: love Willow Pill. I love Willow Pill. Maybe not it's

1015
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: like a Willow Pill Willow Pill. That joke will never

1016
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: get old. M I like Willow Pill. I think I

1017
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: don't like her as a winner of Drag Race. I

1018
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: like her like a Katya of drag Grace, you know

1019
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I I like her the way

1020
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: I like Brooklyn drag and that she looks like she

1021
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: dropped out of the New School. You know what I mean. Yes,

1022
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: we're saying, you know, her talent was something you would

1023
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: see at the like the Annoyance Theater, and like, oh yeah,

1024
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: that is like I don't know, Like I think they're

1025
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: hosting viewings. I think because Willow it's from Denver, but

1026
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: and now is in Chicago, and I think, Um, Dairy

1027
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: Queen shout out to Dairy Queen who who's listening. Um

1028
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: was was telling me that they're hosting um together like

1029
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: viewings at the Annoyance in Chicago, which I love, which

1030
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: we love that that little cute little intersection of like

1031
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: all comedy and drag. But um, before okay, we're already

1032
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: an hour and we have to ask the question, Oh

1033
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: my gosh, we really do? And I really I thought

1034
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: about that earlier and I was like, we'll get to

1035
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: we're getting carried away because basically third cultural STA did

1036
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: I no, no, you did it beautifully. I was standing shady,

1037
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming here and destroying the

1038
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: Cafe Bustello Advades because yes, no, no, I went in Boston.

1039
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: Cafe was still right after that up not a shred

1040
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: of facetiousness in my voice, girl, nothing but respect. Fran,

1041
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: What was the culture? Now? Listen to hear me out

1042
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: that made you say culture was for you? I thought

1043
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: a lot about this. There were a lot of options,

1044
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: as all your guests in the race, hum. I think

1045
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one, it would be a

1046
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: Greek mythology. Yes, I I was, you know, a library

1047
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: kid um. I I like, hey, talking about it at

1048
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: this point because it's like so boring, and I talked

1049
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: about it so much in the podcast. Like I, you know,

1050
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: grew up very under very strict Baptist parents, under a

1051
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: very intense jurisdiction of cultural consumption um, which means like

1052
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: I was left out of like most things that kids

1053
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: grew up with culturally um, which is like you know

1054
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: what like a virgin is kind of predicated on. But

1055
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: like I was allowed. I had a free pass at

1056
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: the library, you know what I mean, Like my parents

1057
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: would take me there and I could explore any corner

1058
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: I want. And of course, like my gay ass like

1059
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: found Greek mythology and I was like, there's some fagship here.

1060
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: Let me take notes, you know, absolutely, And as a

1061
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: Greek myself, I can say firsthand like that they're the

1062
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: girls were certainly dipping it into interesting areas. It's not

1063
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: even that it's like Greek mythology overall has some of

1064
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: the darkest shit period. Oh yeah, it really it dealt

1065
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: It dealt with I mean it dealt with like so

1066
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 1: much like humanity, but using these avatars of like shredded demigods,

1067
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that ship is gay? Now?

1068
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: Who were your favorite girls on top of the hill

1069
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: called Acropolis? Um? I okay, So I have a very

1070
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: vivid memory of like, after consuming like every illustrated book

1071
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: about green mythology that I could get my hands on,

1072
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: I migrated bravely over to the adult section and found

1073
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: like books without pictures, which, like even even now is

1074
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: difficult for me to do, you know, books about pictures,

1075
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: and like I feel like I remember reading like a

1076
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: passage about different myths and then reading about how Apollo

1077
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: had a lover named Hyanson and he was and I

1078
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: remember reading it like I was probably like nine or ten,

1079
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: and I remembering like he he big question, he yeah,

1080
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: And it was like such an aha moment because like

1081
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it was so effortless and it

1082
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: was so like in passing, and I think that maybe

1083
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: not so much true now, but like at the time,

1084
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: like every gay narrative coming out, it's like when the

1085
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: gay character enters, the whole narrative has to like come

1086
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: to a screeching halt and we have to like stop

1087
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: and like acknowledge that this character is gay and then

1088
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: like move on. And like with this, it was like

1089
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: so seamless, and I think that like from there, I

1090
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: just like kept craving things that were that. And then

1091
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: also obviously like Greek mythologies, like the most homoerotic shit ever,

1092
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: it was the o G and he happened to Yeah exactly,

1093
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: he's gay, Yeah, but he's blind. Um. But yeah, I

1094
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: feel like there, I mean, Paula and Hind said this

1095
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: basically about I mean, it's basically kind of like what

1096
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: every Greek myth is about, which is like a god

1097
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: who loves his twinks so much that he accidentally kills

1098
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: him with toxic masculine Um. It's it's, you know, a

1099
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: story as old as time. Um. But like I you know,

1100
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: they just like had sex all the time, Like it

1101
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: was at a time that predated, like the shame around

1102
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: sex predated like homosexuality. They weren't fucking in the butt

1103
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: since well before Christ, Greek men used to walk around

1104
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: with little packets of lube, like so that they could

1105
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: fun at any time. Little oil sex. I can't remember

1106
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: what the name is, but they had these like little

1107
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: oil sex. They would just walk around and just funk whenever.

1108
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: This is actually that's like that actually is like ancient culture,

1109
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: like the there would be certain figures in a young

1110
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: boy's life. It was almost always a young boy like um,

1111
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: and that that these that these things I learned focused

1112
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: on as well, there was like a father figure, and

1113
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: there was like a mother figure, and then there was

1114
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: like another father figure who like exclusively fucked the kids. Yes, yeah,

1115
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean obviously I'm not trying to like, um, you know,

1116
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: glorify too much. There's a lot of consent issue is

1117
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: not an ideal time for like women are like you know,

1118
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: enslaved people. But like it's like like the fact that

1119
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: gods and demigods were faggots, like that's that's revelatory. And

1120
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: even like like even with like Zeus, like taking Ghanamy,

1121
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: I remember being obsessed with this Zeus and Ganymede and

1122
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: the Zeus like plucking this boy from Earth bring him

1123
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: to Olympus so he could be like the cup bearer.

1124
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, see, like this is even something that like

1125
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: like gay men of a certain age or wealth or

1126
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: or a game game and of a certain like class

1127
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: to do. Now, like they'll just like pick out a

1128
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: boy and then have them live in their house. This

1129
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: is this is a current phenomenon. It's crazy that you're

1130
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: saying this because, um, like over a year ago, I

1131
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: was commissioned to write an erotic by a big company

1132
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: that I won't name, and they ended up flaking on me.

1133
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: But I literally wrote an adaptation of Zeus and Genia

1134
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: Mede in the modern day, and it was about like

1135
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: a daddy that owns the club and like usurps like

1136
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: a bottle service boy. You know what I mean. It

1137
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: like it gives that like it's it's it is as

1138
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: I said, I know thatss Yeah, that's why they remake

1139
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: it every three years. Yeah, but that I mean from there,

1140
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: like I I grew to love Greek mythology. I think

1141
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: I really fell in love with like the the world

1142
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: building or the world built that is Greek myths. And

1143
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: I think a lot of stories that I love now

1144
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: have those like that intricate like architecture of all these

1145
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: different gods and goddesses that are entwined in some way,

1146
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: and like, I think that was something that I always

1147
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: responded to. And also I think the Disney's Hercules came

1148
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: out around the time that I was like seven or eight,

1149
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: and that was super formative and is also so gay,

1150
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, and Gladiata so good, what a good soundtrack? Yeah,

1151
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: And it's just like I don't know, I mean, obviously

1152
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: I was horny for Hercules, like who wasn't like that

1153
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: the quintessential like los feeless, like twank, but like I

1154
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: feel like there was like so I don't know, I

1155
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: just I loved that as like a I loved all

1156
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: of the mythology surrounding it, and therefore obviously fell in

1157
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: love with that movie. And I don't know, it's very

1158
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: formative to like the work I like. Now, Isn't it

1159
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: a shame that James Woods is one of the best

1160
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: Disney villains as Hades and yet is like full on cuckoo,

1161
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: crazy insane person, Like, oh god, He's Hades is so good.

1162
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: Love a queen, Love a queeny villain, Queen villain, Disney.

1163
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Um, but yeah, that's my answer. That was

1164
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: like maybe like peeling through those and like you know,

1165
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: horny young adult fiction in the library and all the

1166
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: different stuff checking out like exiting my cultural vacuum, and

1167
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: like checking out things that would have eventually corrupt me

1168
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: like um, hotel paper, um, Destiny Fulfilled, like these things

1169
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: that I wasn't allowed to like you know, consume, but

1170
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: could You don't think the Baptist Church would have approved

1171
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: of Destiny Fulfilled? Which track? Do you think we'll upset

1172
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: them the most? If you such, you will never found

1173
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: love like matter You're gonna miss me. I fucking love

1174
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: Destiny Fulfilled, And I believe Baptists should listen closer. You know.

1175
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: When I think about like the Destiny's Child of it all,

1176
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: I do think my you know, Christian upbringing would have

1177
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: loved nasty, which is a slut shaming anthem, and I

1178
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, must respect. I mean, we have to remember

1179
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: that Destiny's child famously. We're not going to compromise their Christianity. No, okay,

1180
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 1: because their mama the meta than that. No, their MoMA

1181
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: taught them better than that. Absolutely, But I'm pretty sure

1182
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: that was like one of the first pieces of like

1183
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: secular music I ever listened to, Like I'd only been

1184
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: listening to cater cater to. You really sort of talked

1185
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: to your formative culture because you're you're thinking of, you know,

1186
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: the voice servicing. But when I bonded over this because

1187
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: we both used to be switch foot heads and then yeah,

1188
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: oh my, I think all three of us were switch

1189
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: foot Heads were sad, I mean only during Dude to Move. Yeah,

1190
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: of course, come on now, Christian rock, Christian rock baby,

1191
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god, twenty four. We we've talked

1192
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: about twenty four, right, Johnny. I sent it to my

1193
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: I sent the lyrics of that song to my pastor,

1194
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: and he was like, let's break it down, Like what

1195
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: do you like do you know about, you know, wrestling

1196
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: the Angel? Like what this is what this lyric is

1197
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: in reference to? And like he really like it. Blew

1198
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: my mind genuinely to be like, wow, switch Foot is

1199
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: the most genie is music that's ever been written. I

1200
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: truly was like pastor pilled with Switchfoot. Did you have

1201
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: like weird I'm only I'm maybe I'm projecting, but did

1202
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: you have like weird relationships with your pastors? Pastor's youth pastors. No,

1203
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: I didn't. He his name was Pastor Paul. He was

1204
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: a lovely man. He was the white pastor at this

1205
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: like all Chinese church in Denver, and you know he

1206
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: was he was just everyone at my church was great,

1207
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 1: like no one was like no one was like like

1208
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: especially great. They really were. I will say something like

1209
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: there was this pipeline from you know, there was this

1210
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: pipeline from like the diaspora Asian pockets in Denver and

1211
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: in most parts of the country. I would say where

1212
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: you would sort of like as like a millennial growing

1213
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: up in these places, the only cool place to find

1214
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: cool Asians was at church, I will say, at youth group.

1215
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: At youth group, like you would like you would like

1216
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: go to Chinese school or Korean school, Japanese school on Sunday.

1217
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: But then like the real like everyone there was just

1218
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: like two square or whatever, and like the parents were

1219
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: always there watching over you. But like where it was

1220
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: at was that youth group Friday night at the church.

1221
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: It was just the teens playing guitar like doing like

1222
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: youth group ship and it was like kind of it

1223
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: was like the shiny shimmery thing for me growing up.

1224
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: I was such like a loser, loser in high school

1225
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: that I very relate to. Like church was like one

1226
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: of the first places that I was like I belong

1227
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: like people like people like me, Like this is like,

1228
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: am I even popular here? I wasn't, but like it's

1229
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, you get the kind of I don't know,

1230
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: you feel like you belong to something. Um yeah, which

1231
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: which God blessed like Minesota speak, like God blessed that

1232
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 1: we had that back then. It came in this like

1233
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: someone in City of Swarm. I don't know, Matty, do

1234
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: you laugh? But when you hang on this episode is

1235
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: the coolest people ever are at church? God bless God.

1236
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the coolest people in my life at that

1237
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: time we're at church. I'm teasing you. I know what

1238
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: you're saying. It was so true. I mean I literally

1239
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: did not learn how to play the acoustic guitar for

1240
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: any other reason than to be a youth pastor, which

1241
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,879
Speaker 1: was to me the coolest job you could have, period,

1242
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing else in my imagination's period. That's that's

1243
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: a rule. That's a rule of culture. Number ninet two.

1244
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: There is no no cooler job than you pastor. Period.

1245
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: Can you still play acoustic? No, but I will, I will.

1246
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: You know, say that the first song I did learn

1247
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: how to play was good Riddance by Green Day. Okay, Bowen,

1248
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: did you ever pick up a guitar in high school

1249
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: and like try to teach yourself how to play? Yeah?

1250
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: I was like, this ain't for me. I just yeah,

1251
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: and how far do you? My mom won one year

1252
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: for Christmas, my mom and dad had gotten me an

1253
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar, and my mom looked at me and she said,

1254
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: I just figured it was time, And I was like,

1255
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: you're right. I took my acoustic guitar up to my

1256
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: bedroom and I YouTube searched how to play Taylor Swift

1257
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 1: begin again. Wait what year was this? Two thousand? Because

1258
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: the beginning and came out right? So this was when

1259
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: I was in college then, or maybe just out of college.

1260
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean, learning how to play the acoustic guitar is

1261
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: something of like a rite of passage, you know, for

1262
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: young white man. Did you say it was high school?

1263
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: I think I asked, did you ever pick up an

1264
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar in high school? And mine? Mine was when

1265
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: I was like, because I think it was after I

1266
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: discovered like you know, the music in our comedy whatever.

1267
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 1: And then I was becoming more musical in my twenties

1268
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, well, I'm getting him an

1269
01:11:53,240 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar. I just never well, I mean, it's it's

1270
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: never too late to pick it back up. Matt. No,

1271
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Matt was certainly not um like picking acoustic guitar.

1272
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: Definitely not at church, We're doing cool stuff like football

1273
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 1: games and yeah stuff the little bit of you know,

1274
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: nose nose drugs and fresh off the slopes. You know.

1275
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: I was a feeder kid, but I wasn't. I was

1276
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: too scared to like partake and like drug or alcohol

1277
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 1: use that like cast parties, which were frequent. Oh yeah, No,

1278
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: people don't realize like the cast parties went in but

1279
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: I was. I wasn't at them. I was like, yeah,

1280
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: you were, you know, playing football. I was play football. No,

1281
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: I No, I went to like I did go to

1282
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: football parties where there was a lot of alcohol use,

1283
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: but I didn't meet anyone that like smoked weed or

1284
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: did any drugs until I got to college. Not me. Really.

1285
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: It was like I think my town was like midwestern

1286
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: enough where it was like just generally looked down upon

1287
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: to like part it was like part of I think

1288
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: it was in their culture. You know, lot of like

1289
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: anti drug propaganda at that time in high school. So

1290
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: remember dare Do you remember what is it? Drugs and

1291
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: alcohol resistance education which literally made drugs worse for kids apparently,

1292
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: didn't it or something like that. I think I've seen

1293
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: some sort of association. Yeah, I haven't verified this fact

1294
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: at all, but basically it was like, you know why

1295
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: euphoria happened. It's like kind of how I see it.

1296
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: I just remember we would get like, do you guys

1297
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: remember that. We would get like a sheet of paper

1298
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: and it would just be it would say three words.

1299
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: It would say marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and it would be

1300
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: a picture of a blunt, a picture of like cocaine,

1301
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: and then like an injectable. And basically what it made

1302
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: us think was like, these are the three drugs and

1303
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: they're all equally bad. Yeah, here's what happens to. If

1304
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: you smoke, your brain turns off forever. If you do

1305
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: cocaine you get addicted and you become crazy. And if

1306
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: you do heroin you're dead. And all three of these

1307
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: things are equal, equally bad. And then they were like

1308
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: an alcohol is also a drug. Yeah, they were right,

1309
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: it was just it was fear based education that did

1310
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: not work. In health class, every student had to give

1311
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: a presentation on a specific drug and they were group

1312
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: projects actually, but the drug I had to give a

1313
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: presentation on was ecstasy, and it made me want to

1314
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: I can't tell you mine, can't tell my mine, because

1315
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: we did we did something similar LSD and who is

1316
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: dropping acid once every two years? As like I haven't.

1317
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: I actually haven't done it in like three I'm not time.

1318
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: I love LSD. I actually have never done asseid you'd

1319
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: enjoy a deep fran and I, Frank, can we share

1320
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 1: that we've we've we've done rooms together. Yes, that was

1321
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: such a night. This was like a couple of years ago.

1322
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: This is me Justin and France Justin. We and we

1323
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: just justin made dinner. That's so beautiful dinner and we giggle.

1324
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: It was stupid at things. It was really wonderful. Yeah,

1325
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: but I haven't done asset because I'm kind of scared

1326
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: about what I might realize about it myself. Did you did?

1327
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: If you have like transcendent realizations, existential crisis? I think

1328
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: the first time that we did it. We had like

1329
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: a breakthrough, but but everything stuck. Nothing stuck on acid

1330
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: like I have not like I'm not a fundamentally different

1331
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: person for having done it. I don't know if that's

1332
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: helpful to hear, but like you won't realize something that's

1333
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: so deeply upsetting that you will be like a scarred

1334
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: version of yourself afterwards. It did shift things for me,

1335
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: like emotionally at the time when I needed it, Like

1336
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever did it, I

1337
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: really went in with the sho of like because that's

1338
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: what they tell you're like going with like a mission,

1339
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm going to figure out what

1340
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: it is I need emotionally from my ex that I'm

1341
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: that I'm not allowing myself to get, like I really

1342
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: want to leave this like being over my ex. And

1343
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 1: then I remember it was really weird, Like it was

1344
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: like a half hour into the trip literally right away,

1345
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 1: and I realized while I was drawing this like truly

1346
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: stupid picture of like a fish that was a bird,

1347
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, all I want is for him

1348
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: to always care about me. And I texted him and

1349
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I just want to I just want

1350
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 1: to know that You'll always still care and he's like,

1351
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 1: I will always care about you. And I was like, Okay,

1352
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: then I'm good, and I remember I moved on. And

1353
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: then Bowen and I had a moment that we needed

1354
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: to have and that was also important. And then every

1355
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: other time I've done LFC sinants has just been likes, giggle,

1356
01:16:55,080 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: I love it. I laugh harder than ever. I am

1357
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of looking for realizations. That sounds very good. Nice

1358
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: to meet, for sure. I really wish people weren't like

1359
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: weird and afraid of I've been thinking about doing ayahuasca,

1360
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: but I'm scared. You're like, yeah, but I have, like

1361
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: unfortunately and so much wu Wu culture that like all

1362
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,480
Speaker 1: my friends are like, oh my god, I do aawaska

1363
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: like once a month. It's so great. And I'm like,

1364
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I need to have like a

1365
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, can I ask does Channy do it? Oh

1366
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: my god? Um? Well, you know Channy talks about this

1367
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: in her book. She she grew up in an environment where,

1368
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, she was surrounded by a lot of drugs,

1369
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot of al you so right now she like

1370
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: is completely moved on from that. Like, but she told

1371
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: me specifically that if I'm gonna do ayahuasca. That it's

1372
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: you have to do it at the time that you're ready.

1373
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: You don't just do it to have a fun time.

1374
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: You're as you're saying, you know, you're going with something

1375
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: of a mission in Yeah, Like I feel like that's

1376
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: the thing with ayahuasca is it feels so intense that

1377
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: it can't be this just like cool, boutique liberal thing

1378
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: to do was like to go to ayahuasca, you know

1379
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like you really have to be

1380
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: sort of like needing it and I don't need it,

1381
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: and you also have to invest in doing it like

1382
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 1: somewhat ethically, otherwise you're gonna end up with like a

1383
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: white shaman, like on the last episode of Salt Lake City, Um,

1384
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: which was kind of wild, but like what was her name,

1385
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: Betunda Bettina's Yeah, Yeah, I went to her website. I

1386
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: looked up her her resort. I love when they were

1387
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: beating the drum and like Lisa like the white woman

1388
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: names like Whitney Heather narrative for them to do like

1389
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: a healing drum line in this season and then last

1390
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: season to happen yeah, and then like last season was

1391
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 1: basically like the penultimate episode was like a transformative justice circle.

1392
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: Like these women are like really want to, like, you know,

1393
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: have the moment they wanted to talk about it. Um,

1394
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: but Jen just doesn't possess like any of the anything

1395
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: to do it one of the scariest women on television. Yeah,

1396
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: maybe I don't really need like that kind of transcendent

1397
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: drug experience to me. Honestly, Like when I when I

1398
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: do too much weed. Um, honestly, I'm texting my ex

1399
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: to asking him to love me. So that's like enough

1400
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: for me. You know. That's the thing. Is I wonder

1401
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: sometimes like if I'm going to learn the wrong things

1402
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: from it or like you know that because it also

1403
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: is it is a lot to do with people you're

1404
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: surrounded by weed or yeah, yeah, I figured, Yeah, it's

1405
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: it's about the environment who you're doing with it. Do

1406
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 1: you did you need like a chaperone or like someone

1407
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: to kind of watch over you we are the first

1408
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: time I did it, I had one and he and

1409
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: it was very essential that he was there. Um when

1410
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: we when Matt and I did it, to get that

1411
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: we did not have it is I would say, the

1412
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: first time you do it, you should have someone who

1413
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: is there to just like guide it, but not in

1414
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: like a shamanic capacity, like someone who's just like either

1415
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: like being d d basically and just being like, I'm

1416
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: just making sure we're all alive at the end of

1417
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: this um which is scary than it sounds, or not

1418
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: as scary as it sounds. UM Like. I think it's

1419
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: just helpful to have someone who's done it before it

1420
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: at the very least. Everyone's always like, um like, I'm

1421
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: always whatever. Everyone's always like, oh no, this isn't this

1422
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: kind of drug where you get really horny. It's not.

1423
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: It's not, it's not. Every time I do it, I

1424
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: get so fucking horny, the kind of thing where it's

1425
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter who I'm around, like, and that's

1426
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: just so I have to sort of be careful, like

1427
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like I'm very sensitive to that stuff,

1428
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: and like it doesn't matter what it is now, I

1429
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: just get so fucking horny on it that I don't

1430
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: want to be like horned up, you know what I mean,

1431
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: Like and and then like be in that sort of

1432
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: state and be all fucked up in horny, you know

1433
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm just on a baseline horny, just

1434
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: like I don't even want to know what happens when

1435
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: it's escalated. That's kind of how I am to like,

1436
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happened to me the other day,

1437
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: you guys, the other day I jacked off six times.

1438
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: That is some seventh grade level. That was. I don't

1439
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: know what it was. I think I was like I

1440
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: had like sitting around. I was just like nothing was

1441
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: going on. I was just like, well, I'm not hooking

1442
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: up with anyone anytime. Sooner into town. I did that

1443
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: too when I had COVID. Yeah, there was one night

1444
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: where I just I literally masturbated six times. And I'm

1445
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: sorry to say readers, by the sixth nothing was sometimes

1446
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: coming out. I don't think, I don't think anything, not

1447
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: even air just at a dry heave a dry like

1448
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: I thought it truly was like it was like it

1449
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: was like when a baby dragon used to cough, like yeah,

1450
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: like a little guy. One day you'll get it when

1451
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: you grow into a big dragon. And it's like it's

1452
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: like it's like Figment, you know, Figment, the Disney Figment.

1453
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: By the way, did you hear this controversy about Figment?

1454
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: What's this controversy? Fran how versed in Disney, do you

1455
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: become um, I mean, I don't know what Figment is.

1456
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: Let's just say you're you're you don't know about the controversies.

1457
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: There was there was a seven hour wait at Epcot

1458
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 1: for a for a popcorn stand that was selling Figment popcorn.

1459
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,520
Speaker 1: What And you don't even know who Figment is. Imagine

1460
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: seven hours worth of people who do know and they

1461
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: decided to spend their day because they want a Figment

1462
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: popcorn bucket? Why is Why did it sell out so quickly?

1463
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: I think that's just that's just the way Disney kind

1464
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: of is. I don't like that anymore. That might be

1465
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 1: I don't think so honeyworthy, but not not on this episode.

1466
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: But you know, I could pooh pooh it. But also

1467
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: like I went to Universal Studios for the same time,

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01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: which I know is not you know, Disney, I p

1469
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: but like I was in the I didn't think I

1470
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: was going to drink the juice, and then I was

1471
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: in the world, you know, obsessed, which which particular land

1472
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: really struck you? Well, you know, we're Universal, Universal, We're peacock.

1473
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: We can say Hogwarts. I mean, Hogwarts was our face

1474
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: of Rose and I joked that we were going to go,

1475
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: and we we were gonna were you know, grou show

1476
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: marks like disguises so that no one would recognize us

1477
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: in this like kind of transphobic whatever anyway, but it

1478
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: was amazing. Um, I will say we got there um

1479
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: early on accident. Rose was very adamant about being there.

1480
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: You know, right when the park opened. I'm sucking obsessed

1481
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: with Rose. Rose is so like Rose spiritual cellular level

1482
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 1: to get there when the park opens is so my culture.

1483
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: Well I well, yes, a culture that honestly I'm learning

1484
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: in public about. You're calling me more than because when

1485
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: I arrived, I was like, you know, we arrived and

1486
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's the park isn't

1487
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: even open yet, and like Rose and Ashtrain to me,

1488
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: they were like, um, sometimes they opened the park fifteen

1489
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: minutes early. It's like a surprise to the guests. And

1490
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: I was like, how do you And sure enough they

1491
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: opened it like five or ten minutes early, and and

1492
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: they made this crowd of hundreds of people chant like

1493
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 1: count down to the opening of it was not even

1494
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: on a special day. It's nine, all right, let's go

1495
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 1: to just spickable me. It's like and I'm not and

1496
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm not like awakened big girl, but like I waked

1497
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: and and so sober so when they were counting down,

1498
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: I was like having a euphoric experience. I'm a projectile

1499
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: from my body, like just like this is the greatest

1500
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: thing that could ever happen to me. See I want,

1501
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: I want to say, like, no one has ever really

1502
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: had a good experience if they hadn't gone with me.

1503
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: But I think because you went, you probably killed it.

1504
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: I would love love to go to Universal Studios or

1505
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 1: does any Disney Park at literally any time I have

1506
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: a car now, I I love just I will say

1507
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: yes to That's honestly. Something about having expendable income as

1508
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: well as a car is I become the target demographic

1509
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 1: for literally any any product, anything, anything, any expert exactly

1510
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: when Bowen comes to l A next, we will go, Okay,

1511
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: sounds great, it's decreed. Should I do an Orlando birthday

1512
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: one year? You are so sick to dangle that in

1513
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: front of me, knowing that you're probably not going to

1514
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: do it. You're cruel, not really mean, streak, and you

1515
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: actually been messing with me from the beginning of the

1516
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: I didn't forget about when you said I wasn't as

1517
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: good at vomiting on camera, s s JP. I didn't

1518
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 1: forget about that. Can you at least just admit that

1519
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: you that like, she has more experience with that and

1520
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 1: so therefore she knows how to control her own trapdoor,

1521
01:25:55,080 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: as France says, fine, I'll admit it. Well. I think

1522
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: that we have sort of stumbled up on the part

1523
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 1: of the episode of Lost Culture, which is called I

1524
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Don't you think bo? I think so?

1525
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: I think so. This is where we take one minute

1526
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: to rail against something in culture. Um frant is very experienced,

1527
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: very very not a virgin, not a virgin like not

1528
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: a virgin. The last thing I did, I don't think

1529
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: the honey, I got in trouble. I got in trouble

1530
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. Did you? Did you all see the

1531
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 1: ramifications of my I don't think so, honey? By any chance?

1532
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: Did you break it down for the readers? Did someone

1533
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 1: named and Tortorella? I mean, I don't have any problem. Basically,

1534
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: it was like, um, I mean, I don't think honey,

1535
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: I dragged the queer I fab five for a specific reason.

1536
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: It was like, right when the reboot was coming out

1537
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: speaking of reboots, and I did call Nico Tordarella the

1538
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: Rachel Dolishal of the queer community, which was then added

1539
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: to Nico's Wikipedia page. And yes, it was added to

1540
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Nico's Wikipedia page. Here I'm here, I am thinking no

1541
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: as a podcaster, I was like, no one listens to

1542
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 1: the podcast I can say this, and there are so

1543
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: many I was like, it'll be fine. It was later

1544
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: taken off, which means like they you know, I just

1545
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 1: want to, you know, clarify that I don't want to

1546
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: be gate keepy with non binary people. I don't despise

1547
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: Nico Triterrello because they're non binary. I just spise Nico

1548
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: Taterrello because they are a legitimately bad person, and most

1549
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: people in the industry, as someone who worked in remedia

1550
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: for so long, find them, you know, bad and annoying.

1551
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: So now we said it, and now we said it

1552
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: to have Camille Grammar be dragged into this, I had

1553
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: to I just once you said, I don't think somebody

1554
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: added a trauma response and I actually, we we forget

1555
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: that people do fact listen to podcasts. Against all odds.

1556
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: We get on here assuming that not a soul is

1557
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:11,560
Speaker 1: going to hear, not me, not Ross don't um, but

1558
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,600
Speaker 1: I do. I do have a topic. Okay, this is

1559
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey, his time starts now.

1560
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey bussy. I don't think so

1561
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: honey bussy. I don't think so honey. Um. Usage of

1562
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: the word bussy during sex mostly for example, like when

1563
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of the act and someone says, yeah, yeah,

1564
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: like pound my bussy. This to me takes me out

1565
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 1: of it. Um so bussy. It's a boy pussy or

1566
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: a butt pussy either way for me. And when when

1567
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: people sort of say the word, you can't just be

1568
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: like pussy. It's always you know what I mean, It's

1569
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: always got like sort of a sort of an energy

1570
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: behind it. That's very I don't think. To me, I

1571
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: just think like maybe this maybe there's something else, you know,

1572
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's maybe there's fun my assho you know

1573
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,839
Speaker 1: what I mean, something a little bit more per bussy.

1574
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: I don't bussy. And that's one minute, okay, And being

1575
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: like have we considered as have we considered pound my ass?

1576
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: I there's I would rather say fuck my butt then bussy.

1577
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 1: I mean like, bussy to me is just like I

1578
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I feel like we're in a weird

1579
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: place with the word pussy. Why bussy? Bussy? Can I try?

1580
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: Can I present a theory as to why. It's because

1581
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: I agree with you, like I don't want it. It

1582
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: takes me out of it. Something about it doesn't sit right.

1583
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: So it's a bussy to me is like an internet word. Yea,

1584
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: And someone tweeted, do you do you do you remember

1585
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: this tweet? It was something to the effect of like

1586
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: some gay person tweeted I was I was getting fucked

1587
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 1: by this guy, and then he said, I'm about to

1588
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: come on period. I'm about to comment period, Like that's

1589
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: what That's what bussy during sex? I guess it reminds

1590
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: me of is that, Like it's so darring to hear like,

1591
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm about to come to think to

1592
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: think of you at your most primal, when you're like,

1593
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah on period, Like this is like my coming

1594
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: from my movie right now. Honestly, it's reminding me of

1595
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: this one time. I um like, this is like a

1596
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: few months into quarantine. This is agent. This is right

1597
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: when we started to not be scared of having sex

1598
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: with people, and I topped this twink who like could

1599
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 1: like had told me luckily after we had sex that

1600
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 1: he bought like seven copies of Cromatica to support album sales.

1601
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: And it was it was it was the same where

1602
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm I'm like, this is kind

1603
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: of taking me out of the experience. The experience. Yeah right,

1604
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just a thing of you know

1605
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: what happened. It was during my marathon day of the

1606
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 1: other day, my six time extravaganza. I literally, I just

1607
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: I just I was watching a pornographic video on the

1608
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: site only Fans dot com. You were using a little

1609
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,600
Speaker 1: sex ty and watching shaddeas Instagram stories like I was

1610
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 1: watching and just like that, and it was the scene

1611
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: where Shade he has just kissing Miranda's nipples saying I'm

1612
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 1: really good at sex. And I was like, I have

1613
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 1: to come on period. I basically had to come on

1614
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: period when I saw that. Um no, it was like

1615
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: I was watching, I was watching Only Fans like, you know,

1616
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: sort of getting my life and I found this one site.

1617
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Um is it is it proper now in the in

1618
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: the days like in the in this currently time, like

1619
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: if you are a huge fans. Should I say who

1620
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: it was? Yeah? Who was? His name was? His name

1621
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: is Drew James. And he's unreal. I think he's incredible.

1622
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: I think I'm in like a very bottomy mood right now.

1623
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: And so he was like he's like definitely like sort

1624
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: of like one of those like quiet, intense tops, and

1625
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: he like makes direct eye contact with the camera when

1626
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: he's fucking and not his partner, which I think is

1627
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: the best. I think it's so funny that like his

1628
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: partner is like just looking dead in his partner in

1629
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: off screen because he is making direct eye contact with

1630
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: the camera like communicating with you the viewer. I loved it.

1631
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: So while I'm having this moment with him and sort

1632
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 1: of you know, sniffing my pop person like going to

1633
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: town on myself during during my covid um sorry coronavirus um,

1634
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: the bottom goes gonna make my bussy pop or something

1635
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 1: like bussy my bussy, and He's going bussy, bussy, bussy,

1636
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, well, you know when you sniff

1637
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: poppers and in the middle of it, something throws you

1638
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: off and like then you're just like feel weird and

1639
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: stupid and like like not horny anymore like distracted. So

1640
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like pathetic, had my dick in hand,

1641
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: COVID positive, like stroking, coronavirus positive like and now I

1642
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: hear the word bussy and then I like, leave my body.

1643
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: I look at myself from above and I'm like, I'm

1644
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: pathetic and I just was the word The word busy

1645
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,600
Speaker 1: threw me in the gutter emotionally and I was like,

1646
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: oh my god. And then I like, you know, you know,

1647
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: figment poof came and then rolled out of bed and

1648
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: much more Teresa Judas, I'm not a figment. I mean,

1649
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: I the this porn actor kind of looking directly at camera.

1650
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: You gotta give her props for cheating out. Okay, this

1651
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: guy is so fucking hot. And also, you know what's crazy,

1652
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Like the other day, I saw one of my favorite

1653
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: only fans of people at the grove. Oh, that's amazing,

1654
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, do I go

1655
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: up and say I'm a fan? Like it was weird.

1656
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: You can't do that with only can you? I mean

1657
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 1: you could. I feel like I would not. I feel

1658
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: like it would destroy my experience because I don't think

1659
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: I need to know a lot of the porn actors

1660
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,600
Speaker 1: that I might subscribe to it and only fans, but

1661
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: but I relate to like this like coming out Like

1662
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 1: I was watching something recent. I was trying to find

1663
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: porns from a specific porn actor and it came across

1664
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: the Fourth of July themed one where um, they were

1665
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 1: playing ping pong with their dicks, not as a joke

1666
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: in earnest, trying to hit ping pong balls with their

1667
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 1: erect penis. I think I've seen this, okay. And then

1668
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: there's another scene where there's like a platter of like

1669
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 1: hot dogs and buns because it's fourth of July, and

1670
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 1: you know that thing where it's like they're having sex

1671
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: and a third person enters and the third persons like

1672
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, pretends not to notice that they're having sex somehow. Well,

1673
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,839
Speaker 1: in this one, one of the guys had his erect

1674
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: dick in a hot dog bun on this platter of

1675
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: hot dogs, and the other guy was squirting ketchup onto

1676
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: his hot dog dick and about to eat it when

1677
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 1: the third person entered the room and pretended not to

1678
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: notice that this guy's dick was in a hot dog

1679
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 1: and then like left it was it was performance Hart

1680
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 1: I was going to My favorite two is like in

1681
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: an only fans, like when when you see like a

1682
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: clip of them just before they funk or just after

1683
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: and they forget to turn off the camera and you

1684
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: hear them like talk like fags and they're like, wait,

1685
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: you know who I think is underrated? Em A Robert.

1686
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: It's just like that. Literally, I mean I'm exaggerating, but

1687
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: like literally it's like they'll have stopped sucking and then

1688
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 1: they're like like, oh yeah, that was, Oh my god,

1689
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for Melanie Lynsky, like real deserved this,

1690
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 1: Melanie Lynskey deserves and then they turned the camera off

1691
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: after you just watched them like like truly like get

1692
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 1: so carnal with each other that you feel you're there,

1693
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: and then they're like, Melanie Lynski deserves, camera on, gaping holes,

1694
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: camera off, Jennifer Coolidge out at the Awards, you know

1695
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: what I mean literally literally the other the other day,

1696
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: I was watching one and I think it was like

1697
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: there were was they were watching like the Carrie Diaries

1698
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: in the background. I'm not even kidding you. It was

1699
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: like a setup you show that was like really and

1700
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: like you just see them fucking and It's like usually

1701
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: they have like no music on or like a fun

1702
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 1: playlist on, but this was like ambient ten and it

1703
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: was like, I forget what show it was, but it

1704
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:51,719
Speaker 1: was truly like it was Rachel Bilson vibes. Actually, one time,

1705
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: and it's the only time I've ever tweeted from my

1706
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: porn altar, one time I saw I probably shouldn't even

1707
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 1: say this, but whatever. One time I saw a porn

1708
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: and they were fucking to Linda Ronstad's cover of Both

1709
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Sides Now, and I literally I could not resist. I

1710
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 1: was like, how why are you having sex to Linda

1711
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: Ronstad's cover up Both Sides Now? I actually it might

1712
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: but it was a song like that. I'm pretty sure

1713
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 1: it was that song. Anyways, what were you about? I?

1714
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: One of my favorite videos on o F dot com

1715
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: is of a massure who likes to put on music

1716
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:34,640
Speaker 1: during his sessions, and he happens to have one of

1717
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: the most gorgeous men ever to live, and they end

1718
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: up sucking on this massage table. But the music that's

1719
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: playing off like a YouTube compilation in the background is

1720
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 1: Ed Sheeran's greatest heats and it is deeply It is

1721
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 1: an obstacle that you have just just you do you do?

1722
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 1: You just have to like transcend and be like I

1723
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: I will, I will tolerate this and embrace it. Actually

1724
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: you can. I have sucked a guy that loved E

1725
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: D M. And we had to have sex to that. Look,

1726
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. You have to m one thing though,

1727
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: Like I feel like like it's it's weird. Like sometimes

1728
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: when when I'm having sex and like like my playlist

1729
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,639
Speaker 1: will run out because that's so long, I can go um,

1730
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 1: like it will go to a song and I will

1731
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 1: have to stop sex if a song is weird, like

1732
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: I'll start laughing, like I can't. I I can't pretend

1733
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: I do not see slash hear it, you know what

1734
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'm I'm like, I can't possibly stay

1735
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: in this if fucking you know, the like Rainbow Connection

1736
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: comes on, I I mean, I I'm not doing it,

1737
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 1: but it's fair not that it would ruins the ambiance

1738
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 1: because of course when the fucking I listen to Kermit

1739
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: the Frog Rainbow Connection radio, yeah, and then after that

1740
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: at Charon Charon. But you know who's a really sexy

1741
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Rainbow Connection cover? Oh? Unfortunately by con Jason Morass is

1742
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: Jason Morez a bi con. He's kind of like, kind

1743
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: of very lightly in a very classy way, the Fedora.

1744
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 1: That's biculture, and he's a vegan raw fudist. Actually there

1745
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:19,720
Speaker 1: you go. Like I think a couple of years ago,

1746
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: like without much like fan fair, he was just kind

1747
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, like I've had I've had sex with

1748
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 1: men and before it was cool. Sure this to you,

1749
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: Jason Murrez. The remedy is the experience, Okay, And maybe

1750
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: you and I both Sure fuck, I'm horny. I'm for

1751
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Jason Morass, Andrew Garfield, Jay Kay, the Holy Trinity. Yang,

1752
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 1: It is time for your I don't think so, honey.

1753
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 1: Do you have something on today? I do. It's a

1754
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 1: little I feel very strong and I hope you guys agree.

1755
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,879
Speaker 1: But this is how I feel, okay about this subject.

1756
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: This is bone yangs. I don't think funny. This time

1757
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Putting miss Juju

1758
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 1: b into another different iteration of RuPaul's Drag Race, Jujubi

1759
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 1: is in Rupulse Drag Race UK versus the World, the

1760
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 1: sort of international as promised version of like an All

1761
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 1: Stars esque show and crossover that we're gonna have. It's

1762
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,799
Speaker 1: a stellar lineup. You've got Monique cart You've got Jimbo,

1763
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: You've got um Lemon, You've got a bag of chips,

1764
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,560
Speaker 1: You've got Blue Hydra and Nga Cheryl Hole. Juju b

1765
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: has been through this enough and she has been susting

1766
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 1: too many times. I cannot will not be able to

1767
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,680
Speaker 1: stomach seeing her possibly leaving before top three, top four

1768
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: or whatever. And if she doesn't win, then that's even

1769
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 1: That's another like edging scenario where I'm like, just give

1770
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: her the fucking wins so that all of us can

1771
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: celebration on on the communities. Behalf the community wants to

1772
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: see Jujuby win, and the possibility that she might not

1773
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:58,600
Speaker 1: is more than I can process at this point. She

1774
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 1: needs it needs to be a guarantee win or else

1775
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll be able to watch her film.

1776
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Thoughts on jujubes participation in RuPaul's

1777
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 1: Drag Race UK versus the World World. Did y'all see

1778
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 1: Queen Queen of the Universe? No, I've I've heard a

1779
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 1: joke and Booster loves it, and I've heard great things.

1780
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 1: I heard. Trixie is hilarious on it trick. I think

1781
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:27,560
Speaker 1: the judges panel is sublime. I think Leona Lewis, Vanessa Williams,

1782
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: Trixie and m and they give every pocket of what

1783
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: you want from a judges panel. None of this singing.

1784
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,680
Speaker 1: It's good, I don't think. But that's not what the

1785
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: show is about, you know, it's about the judges panel.

1786
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 1: But Juju be is a contestant on She's she's put herself.

1787
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she probably enjoys it. She enjoys

1788
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:55,560
Speaker 1: the beating in this scenarios. But I've got it, I

1789
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 1: can't watch her lose again if that's what we're getting.

1790
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 1: It's it's it's disappointed because she is a winner. She

1791
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 1: is she one of the best to ever do it.

1792
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Every time. She has everything it takes to win, and

1793
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: it's just like because of another slightly better winner that

1794
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: she whatever, and it's like, it's it's hard to watch,

1795
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: it's it's painful. I can watch her lose again because

1796
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 1: it means you're gonna watch her, you know what I mean.

1797
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Like if she's not on television, she's not on television,

1798
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 1: Like I think she knows the value of appearing and

1799
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 1: she does that so well every time, so I'm good

1800
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: with it. Also, she she signs up for it, I know,

1801
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 1: I'm just I am too emotionally. Jujub was like my first,

1802
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 1: like season two was my first. I remember I was there.

1803
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 1: I think we used to watch it, like, well, Matt

1804
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 1: and I would be like, oh my god, you're Raven.

1805
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm Jujub ha ha, like we're besties. But like I

1806
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 1: just All Starts five was very hard. I mean, Shakhole

1807
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 1: one of the best contestants ever, rightful winner, but there

1808
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 1: was something that I had to really mourn about dob losing,

1809
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 1: especially in that season when she was and I remember

1810
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 1: when when they announced she as the winner, was off

1811
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: social media for like weeks and you could tell that

1812
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:20,600
Speaker 1: she did not take it, but she like had to

1813
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: like take some time away from socials and like really

1814
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 1: like and I was and I felt for her. Oh,

1815
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: I just there's there. There are a few people in

1816
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 1: like the media landscape I love more than I guess

1817
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: like for me, it's like if I'm juju by and

1818
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of the drag race, you know, fandom,

1819
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of how the seasons have gone. I'm

1820
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: going into All Stars knowing I'm not the anointed winner.

1821
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 1: Like Shakul was the anointed winner of that season. It

1822
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: felt like Trixie Mattel was the anointed winner of that season.

1823
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: In so many ways, Kylie Sonik felt like an annointed

1824
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: from the beginning. So it almost feels to me like

1825
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm not watching All Stars and thinking, well, let me

1826
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: really invest in who wins this. It's more about the

1827
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 1: experience of watching it, because to me, All Stars and

1828
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: the winning of All Stars is not drag race and

1829
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 1: the winning of a regular like Juju B did not

1830
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 1: win like and and so, and she has not won

1831
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 1: so many times that's part of her legacy now, so

1832
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:28,719
Speaker 1: she I don't know. I guess she shouldn't expect to win. God,

1833
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 1: if she did win, it would be very gratifying because

1834
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: it would have been so many times. She's definitely a

1835
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 1: fave of mine as well. But I love Juju B.

1836
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:37,640
Speaker 1: But who out of this cast do you think is

1837
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: the annointed winner, because it doesn't it feel like it

1838
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: should be someone from the UK, either jujub or maybe

1839
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:46,680
Speaker 1: like Bagga Chips. Yeah, I love bag Up. Bagga is

1840
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: so lost me in her like kind of final moments,

1841
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: she kind of did what Alaska did and All Stars

1842
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: and like she had like such a great kind of

1843
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 1: like record, and then all of a sudden she like

1844
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 1: spiraled about I think it was her mom or something,

1845
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 1: and it was she like exhibited such ugly behavior that

1846
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want you to win anything.

1847
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: I did want Alaska to win that season. Obviously it's

1848
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: like a perfect season and she's a perfect winner, but

1849
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: she did like spin out and that's a reason why

1850
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 1: I didn't like that. Interesting. Interesting, But but we'll see.

1851
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean, i'll watch it's premiering in like two weeks,

1852
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: like at the same time. I mean, there's we're we're

1853
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 1: reaching saturation once again. But oh it's oh, is it

1854
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 1: going to be on Fridays too? Are we about to

1855
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 1: have like a weekly state sanctioned four and a half

1856
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 1: hours of drag race this state? Again? It's um, there's

1857
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 1: two state sanction things in this country, violence and drag race. Um,

1858
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:46,879
Speaker 1: it's it's February one. It's Tuesdays. That's interesting. So February

1859
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: one is also when something else premiers. Oh, New Jersey,

1860
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 1: new season in New Jersey. Maybe I should so I

1861
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 1: know what I'll be watching. I had to other drag show,

1862
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: so I get into housewife seasons better when it's airing.

1863
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: That's how I did, Yes, so maybe I'll do that

1864
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: with Jersey. I'm a bind I'm a binger, babe. I

1865
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,680
Speaker 1: love that. Love that for you. Fran Toronto, do you

1866
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: have and I don't think so? Honey? I do? I do.

1867
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 1: It's hot, hot off my mind, hot off a friend's mind.

1868
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear this. Yes I do. This

1869
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: is fran Toronto's I don't think so, honey. Time starts now,

1870
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Ryah. Okay, I cannot believe

1871
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I've been duped yet again into downloading this insidious, elitist

1872
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: as pyramid scheme of Okay, we do not know Listen,

1873
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 1: no one used this this app to meet people, Okay,

1874
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 1: do not patronize me. We come here to validate ourselves

1875
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: for month I forget to grow Tieranny okay, and for

1876
01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: what occasionally matching me with like in Lisbon Toronto. Okay.

1877
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,719
Speaker 1: The fuck am I supposed to do with that? Okay?

1878
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 1: It has done nothing for my dating life. It has

1879
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 1: sent me the same fifteen instan famous people over and

1880
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 1: over again to have the audacity to say fifty don't

1881
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 1: have any profiles anymore because we're fostering at community. You

1882
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 1: should foster some fucking self respect because you don't even

1883
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: deserve to have the same name as Ryan the Dragon,

1884
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: who was a superior in every way. Okay, you are

1885
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 1: fucking tinder for class traders, and I don't think so, honey,

1886
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 1: You're so right. Honestly, I two things I forgot. It

1887
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 1: costs that much a month, and I have to delete it.

1888
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't have to. And also when you scroll for

1889
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,759
Speaker 1: even forty five seconds and then they're out of people,

1890
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:46,719
Speaker 1: I lose my mind. And they have a hundred thousand

1891
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:49,639
Speaker 1: people on the waitlist. Like so, I was just reading

1892
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: articles about this, like it's crazy Bowen Yang was on

1893
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: the wait list for a really long time and it

1894
01:47:56,360 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: was unacceptable. Well, I think, like this is my this

1895
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: is my thing with the figment popcorn bucket of it

1896
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: all at Disney, which is creating an artificial scarcity. Is

1897
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey to that, you know, like

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01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 1: that's that is the frustrating thing about Ryan, And yeah,

1899
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,719
Speaker 1: it's like why am I Why am I really gonna

1900
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 1: like hit hard on like someone from like Carunia Spain,

1901
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 1: like I don't, like, I don't know what I'm supposed

1902
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: to do with someone who who does live in Vancouver,

1903
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: Like it's like like what am I why? Why am

1904
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 1: I making all of this calculus in my head about

1905
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 1: like who I swipe right on? It's it's it's really

1906
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: it's so crazy, it's gross and it really it. I mean,

1907
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: this is my second time downloading it. I feel like

1908
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: totally gas lit. I feel like it's like it's just

1909
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 1: like it's so sexless. I don't know anybody who's met

1910
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 1: off of like right, it's LinkedIn with dua lipa songs.

1911
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 1: Look what I'm doing right now, we're moving up. She's

1912
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 1: doing well. You have to on subscribe, you have to me,

1913
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 1: and that's how they get you. That's how they get you.

1914
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: That's how they get you. It is. It is a pyramid.

1915
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: It is multi level marketing because you have to each

1916
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:10,719
Speaker 1: other and then you create the scarce and even Telly,

1917
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 1: I have friends that are structurally hotter than me that

1918
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 1: have not been accepted to the app yet. It's crazy.

1919
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't understand how it works or how like the

1920
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 1: moderation works. I feel like I've like swipe right on,

1921
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 1: like lil nas like so many times, and every time

1922
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: I feel like manic and pathetic, and it's like, why

1923
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: do you have you? I know I could be banned,

1924
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,960
Speaker 1: probably for talking about celebrities on but I honestly hope

1925
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 1: I get banned because then I'll be free. Though they

1926
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 1: want you, they want us to have this conversation. It's exactly.

1927
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean. I was just watching ContraPoints video on v

1928
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 1: per recommendation and really made me think about this specifically,

1929
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 1: which is, oh my god. And I've I've already talked

1930
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: about the Envy video, but like that is like all

1931
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 1: of her themes woven, all the things she's talked about

1932
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 1: over the last several years woven into the same video.

1933
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 1: And it's a mass a piece. It is her masterpiece.

1934
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 1: I can't wait for her to make more. But like that,

1935
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,599
Speaker 1: she really hasn't been on well. She she she does

1936
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 1: like one. She'll do like one video every six months

1937
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 1: or one every year, but they're all like they're always

1938
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 1: like two hours long. Um, she's genius, Natalie okay, Um.

1939
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 1: This was a really beautiful episode. What can we say

1940
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean other than it felt like it felt like

1941
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: if and honestly felt like an episode that we just

1942
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:28,320
Speaker 1: do together. Like we almost forgot to ask you the question.

1943
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 1: We were just shooting the damn ship. We were shooting

1944
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 1: the damn ship. We talked about Chay, we talked about

1945
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 1: House five, Spider Man. There was Kathy with Stello accountability,

1946
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: which is I think I think that was the most

1947
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 1: necessary part of this whole. It's the most important conversation

1948
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 1: we should be having today, truly. Actually, and I will

1949
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 1: leave that conversation next to the conversation about Rya for sure.

1950
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm this is this is, this is the thing. We

1951
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: there's something for everyone. Okay, thank you for having me.

1952
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 1: It's been a long time coming. We tried to do

1953
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 1: this in l ages ago. Oh my god. Yeah, well

1954
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: you got we all got to listen to Like a Virgin.

1955
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling you probably already do. Everyone

1956
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:12,759
Speaker 1: out there. Maybe if you don't, then you should. Okay,

1957
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:20,000
Speaker 1: I heard siblings. I heard sister and sister's sister. You

1958
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: must listen to Like a Virgin? Is are what are

1959
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: the thoughts coming back? Yeah? We are back. Yeah, Yeah,

1960
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 1: we have, um, you know, a very undedicated cadence to

1961
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: this dream. But yeah, we we just recorded a bunch

1962
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,240
Speaker 1: of episodes, so they're coming out on Sundays or Tuesdays

1963
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:39,320
Speaker 1: to pay y'all, y'all are very unjust like that. Y'all

1964
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,480
Speaker 1: know I was gonna say, y'all are very curb your enthusiasm.

1965
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 1: So true. Well, honestly, the reason we had to create

1966
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 1: Like a Virgin is because most of the thoughts don't

1967
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 1: consume contemporary culture. Because and I just needed someone to

1968
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: talk to you about the things. So but we had

1969
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: we did talk about Salt Lake City, um quite a bit. Oh,

1970
01:51:57,080 --> 01:52:00,080
Speaker 1: everyone's out the thoughts watch slowly. No, Den doesn't. We

1971
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:02,640
Speaker 1: still have to break her into it. But like you know,

1972
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was an experience, well dead

1973
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:07,559
Speaker 1: was Dead was sort of, you know, the audience surrogate

1974
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 1: for anyone who hasn't want exactly exactly. I feel like

1975
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City is sort of the housewives franchise that

1976
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 1: broke through with like Bushwick. Actually, yeah, actually you wouldn't.

1977
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think yes, but yes, you're right, you're right

1978
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 1: because the women well I don't know if this has

1979
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 1: much to do with but but the women are like

1980
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: so I would say it's maybe one of the more

1981
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:34,679
Speaker 1: stable casts of housewives franchise because of Whitney and Heather. Somehow,

1982
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 1: I also think Meredith, even though she has so fallen

1983
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 1: from grace, is very stable. Yes, you know, I think

1984
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of there's a lot of

1985
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: grounding components to it that I think make it easier

1986
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 1: to watch or less polarizing. But it's it's just it

1987
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:49,640
Speaker 1: is just took a really good gateway until a lot

1988
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 1: of the other franchises, I believe, and one of the best, honestly,

1989
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 1: especially especially this season. Now, friend, before we go, um

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01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 1: you know that we end every episode of the song

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01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 1: we would like you to choose the song You would

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01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 1: like me to choose the song to be any song,

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01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:12,519
Speaker 1: any song, Oh my God, and we'll know it. You

1994
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 1: will guarantee, guaranteed, um bone and I are amazing. There

1995
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:20,679
Speaker 1: were a couple of songs that were mentioned on this episode. Yeah,

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01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 1: why don't will you? Will you? Will you pick? I?

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01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 1: Honestly I could never. I could never. I would be

1998
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: it would be too presumptuous. Your fans would eat me.

1999
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 1: Alive responsibility actually yeah, very neat. I look to live

2000
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 1: this church, this churchy way, but this live Usians are

2001
01:53:47,439 --> 01:54:01,719
Speaker 1: oh really, no mist