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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 3: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 4: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 2: dot com, Apple podcast, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 5: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 6: Let's hear that, Birthna.

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Speaker 3: Brek Beers. There are a couple of absolutely self involved

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Speaker 3: bullshit artist.

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Speaker 7: Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 8: The Rare Dark It feels kind of weird, like when

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Speaker 8: the UFC goes dark ten times a year. It feels

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Speaker 8: like it has been forever, and that is what Kenny

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Speaker 8: and I are feeling right now, so hopefully we can

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Speaker 8: shake off the RUSS for you. It's Monday, September thirteenth,

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty one, Episode three sixteen of The Anticon Florian

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Speaker 8: Podcast scheduled off week for us on Labor Day, and

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Speaker 8: I throw out a little caveat to you and our

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Speaker 8: producer Cody Marrow that unless something crazy happens at UFC

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Speaker 8: Fight Night, Brunts and Versus Till, we're gonna go dark

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Speaker 8: on Labor Day, no sponsors, and one of our two

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Speaker 8: to three week annual resets, and that of course Medesa

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Speaker 8: Spokowskis gets his leg kicked off, and I'm texting you, guys,

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Speaker 8: you think we should go live or something because I

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Speaker 8: don't know if the oblique kick should be allowed or not.

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Speaker 5: But it's good to see you after a week away,

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Speaker 5: my men.

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Speaker 3: It's good to see as well.

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Speaker 8: Man this sport though, right like every week there's something,

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Speaker 8: so I don't know if the solution is to just

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Speaker 8: not schedule any more dark weeks, but it was foolish

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Speaker 8: to me to say, yeah, you know, unless something absolutely

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Speaker 8: crazy happens, if Darren Till like Merch Brunson in twenty seconds.

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Speaker 8: But I think we're all becoming condition to not just

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Speaker 8: serious injuries, but something crazy happening in that octagon every week,

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Speaker 8: So we a lot to get to on that front.

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Speaker 8: Time permitting, we might talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 8: fight that really shouldn't have happened between Vitor bell Fort

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Speaker 8: and Evander Holyfield. A lot of stuff coming up with

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Speaker 8: Ray Longo in about thirty minutes as well, and we

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Speaker 8: will also try to memorialize as best weekend one of

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Speaker 8: my best friends, the late great UFC makeup artist Susi Freeton,

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Speaker 8: who lost what was just an epic battle with stage

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Speaker 8: four breast cancer over the last several days. And I

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Speaker 8: guess I shouldn't even say lost, because watching her attack

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Speaker 8: that thing is something that will stick with me for

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Speaker 8: the rest of my life. But we will begin headlines

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Speaker 8: with UFC Fight Night, Brunson versus Till and with respect

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Speaker 8: to Patty Pimblet and Molly McCann and Jack Shore and

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Speaker 8: Khalil Rountree Junior kicking the hell out of Modestas Bakowskis's leg.

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Speaker 8: Let's start with the main event winner, because that Wikipedia

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Speaker 8: page for Derek Brunson is looking fine. Can flow five

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Speaker 8: Atta Sonia, who was not the champion then, and Brunson's

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Speaker 8: one of the best wrestlers in this division. There's more

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Speaker 8: much because of some injuries, Derek Brunson shines again. The

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Speaker 3: Kid, Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 9: These are the kind of turnarounds I guess in the

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Speaker 3: You know, he has shown amazing consistency.

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Speaker 9: He has had the ability to use his striking to

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Speaker 9: And he was dominant here against Darren Till and just

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Speaker 9: And I know, you know, Darren was talking about an

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Speaker 8: Think about where he was after that Anya loss and

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Speaker 8: his belief that Derek Runson would cast as a plus

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Speaker 8: one fifty five hunderdog, and he did so. Our good

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Speaker 8: of pushed out a tweet about Derek Brunson's evolution, and

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Speaker 8: I'm paraphrasing here, but he said, let's not pretend this

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Speaker 8: difficult matchup for him. Stylistically, I don't know if you

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Speaker 8: and I'm not sure that that a rematch with Israel

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Speaker 3: Know, I think that's accurate from Luca.

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Speaker 9: You know, I don't see Derek Brunson that has changed

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Speaker 9: his striking signific significantly. You know, he still gets that

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Speaker 9: the the the improvement of skills isn't everything. I think

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Speaker 8: Brunson realized a lot of success before he left Wilmington,

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Speaker 8: North Carolina, and certainly he was at Albuquerque at Jackson

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Speaker 8: But since aligning with Sanford MA, I mean, what else

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Speaker 8: But you're increasingly starting to hear these athletes shout out

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Speaker 8: the great wrestling coach former American collegiate wrestler Greg Jones Man.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's a great coach, He's a great cardio coach.

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Speaker 8: He's a great wrestling coach, and I think he has

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Speaker 8: helped Derek Runson immeasurably as well. I've seen a lot

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Speaker 8: There's a Darren Till side to all of this as well.

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Speaker 8: Where are you, by the way, I mean this Kenny

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Speaker 8: Florian road show? Are you in Oregon today?

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Speaker 5: Is that where you are?

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Speaker 3: I am in Bend, Oregon.

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Speaker 9: I'm at Mac Danzig's Jim Yeah, doing a couple of

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Speaker 8: Okay, so a couple of Brazilian jiu jitsu seminars with

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Speaker 3: I am? I'm at his gym right now. Much better,

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Speaker 3: much better WiFi here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the WiFi is great, sound fucking great. Thanks for

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Speaker 8: you went home after battle? Bought scale of one to ten?

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Speaker 8: By the way, how glad are you that that's done

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Speaker 3: And I know so much much work man, So good

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I see the Kenny Florian signs, by the way,

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Speaker 8: these Battlebot fans, folks bringing in fucking Kenny Florian signs

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Speaker 5: Love Kenny Floorian more than my mom. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 8: And Cody tells me your jiu jitsu seminars are sold

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Speaker 5: Kid's a fucking needle mover. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 8: I tried actually to sign up for that seminar, but

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Speaker 9: It's a major setback. And you know, it's tough because

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Speaker 9: to take this fight. Not the best matchup, but sometimes

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Speaker 9: And I think, yeah, this was a very tough matchup

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Speaker 9: not This was not a great performance from him, and

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Speaker 9: I always thought Darren Till had a lot of potential

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Speaker 8: Khalil Rowntree Junior, Tko Medesa spokowskis with the legax. So

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Speaker 8: And I just want to read a quote from my

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Speaker 8: Dan Hardy to Submission Radio, it shouldn't be banned. It's

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Speaker 8: we're going to find ourselves with a very very limited

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Speaker 5: It happens very rarely in Mma.

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Speaker 8: Anybody that says it should be banned, have them named

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Speaker 8: He went on to say it's the same as nies

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Speaker 9: You know, to me, I think this is tricky, and

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if that argument in that way

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Speaker 9: You know, the other argument I hear is that, oh, well,

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Speaker 9: You can destroy someone's brain cells with a kick to

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Speaker 9: The other argument that I hear is, well, you can

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Speaker 9: feel your knee about to blow right, you got that?

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Speaker 9: One one thousand and two, one thousand three, one thousand,

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Speaker 9: I feel the pressure. There's a tremendous amount of pressure.

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Speaker 9: I have the decision to tap in that way.

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Speaker 9: When I'm stomping your knee, you have point zero one

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Speaker 3: Well, you can't.

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Speaker 9: You can't twist people's fingers either. You can't grab someone's throat.

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Speaker 9: You can't kick someone in the balls. I think that

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Speaker 9: and you'd have to, you know, knead to the head,

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Speaker 9: There's so many different ways to approach this. I think

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Speaker 3: Easy of a technique. Is is this a technique that.

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Speaker 9: I don't really have a problem with it, you know,

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Speaker 9: However, it does get tricky because of you know, if

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Speaker 8: I think, so what if you're in a knee bar

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Speaker 5: What are you supposed to do that?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 9: I guess it's I guess it comes down to, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Right largely, I'm aligned with you, and I think when

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Speaker 5: Leg attacks, right.

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Speaker 8: I mean I've joked with you, like my twin brother

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 8: So I again, it's like when I see a high

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Speaker 8: we just worked too hard for it. It certainly invokes

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Speaker 5: And you, at least in terms of this particular tech, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think it kind of comes down to is this

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Speaker 8: And in terms of the brain, right, it's you can

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Speaker 8: I think that is an important part of Dan Hardy's

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Speaker 8: I do think that point is well taken as well.

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Speaker 8: But this was clearly flow strategically something that Roundtree Junior.

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Speaker 9: The only thing with the the you know that we

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Speaker 3: Know, it's like we didn't see the cat. I didn't

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Speaker 3: years in the UFC. Yeah, but all of a sudden

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Speaker 9: So it could be something that it could change drastically

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Speaker 9: of now people seeing that. It's like when Anderson Silva,

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Speaker 3: Everyone was trying to do it.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 9: You see these ebbs and flows and the techniques that

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Speaker 3: So who knows.

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Speaker 9: I think it's still a technique that's coming in and

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Speaker 8: Certainly, John Jones has used that tactic in the past.

439
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Speaker 8: It's hard for me to recall him actually landing one

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Speaker 8: seminal blow that blew out a guy's all right, So

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Speaker 8: tom Aspinall disposed of Sergei Spibok, and he felt like

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Speaker 8: his initial opponent, uh Sergey Pavlovich might have been the

443
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Speaker 8: more dangerous guy, but felt like Spibok on short notice,

444
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Speaker 8: was the more well rounded threat. You know, this feels

445
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Speaker 8: a little bit weird talking about this nine days removed,

446
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Speaker 8: but the narrative going in was that tom Aspinall is

447
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Speaker 8: this new wave of athletic young heavyweight that could be

448
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Speaker 8: a real problem. And even though maybe he's not on

449
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Speaker 8: Seattle Gon's level just yet. You know, the first thing

450
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Speaker 8: I brought up in our fighter meeting with tom Aspinall

451
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Speaker 8: was Settle gone, because I think both of these guys

452
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Speaker 8: are sort of on this ascent together, and I think

453
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Speaker 8: they might lock the door behind them soon if they

454
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Speaker 8: keep it up.

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Speaker 5: What'd you think about Aspenal a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 9: I think Asmaal had a great performance. I think this

457
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Speaker 9: was kind of the one that I thought that he

458
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Speaker 9: could go out there and execute, and he certainly did that.

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Speaker 9: I think he has a high level of athleticism. I

460
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Speaker 9: think that he's showing that potential that I saw in

461
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Speaker 9: his first fight in the UFC, And so long as

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Speaker 9: he continues to make good decisions out there, I think

463
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Speaker 9: he's going to go very far in that heavyweight division,

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Speaker 9: no doubt.

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Speaker 8: All Right, Patty Pimblet, how long did it take us

466
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Speaker 8: Cody to get to Patty the Batty Pimblet? I guess

467
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Speaker 8: if ever there would have been a reason for us

468
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Speaker 8: to crack a mic on Labor Day when we weren't

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Speaker 8: scheduled to do so, it might have been Paddy Pimblet.

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Speaker 5: It's been sort of fun to watch his Instagram.

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Speaker 8: Numbers just tick up, you know, twenty thousand every two

472
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Speaker 8: minutes or whatever the hell it is.

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Speaker 5: But hey man, he was a huge star overseas.

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Speaker 8: Increasingly now domestically he's becoming a star because he called

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Speaker 8: a shot in his UFC debut that it would be

476
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Speaker 8: a first round knockout, he said, mark my words, and

477
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Speaker 8: that is exactly what he was able to produce. Now,

478
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Speaker 8: he faced some major adversity in his UFC debut, and

479
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Speaker 8: if we were sitting here talking about Luigi ben Jermini,

480
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Speaker 8: you know, stopping the hype train in its tracks.

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Speaker 5: Then it's a totally different world in which we live.

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Speaker 5: But that did not happen. What'd you think of Patty

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Speaker 5: Pimblet's UFC debut.

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Speaker 9: You know, I've seen a lot of his fights outside

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Speaker 9: of the UFC, and you know, watching his fights in

486
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Speaker 9: the UFC, I was hoping or watching his debut in

487
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Speaker 9: the UFC, I was hoping that I was going to

488
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Speaker 9: see a more refined version of Patty, and I just

489
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Speaker 9: didn't see that. There's no way that he could with

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Speaker 9: that style have long term success in the UFC. So

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Speaker 9: I think that was my concern. As far as excitement level,

492
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Speaker 9: as far as aggression, as far as determination and.

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Speaker 3: All that stuff. He's got it. I love it.

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Speaker 9: I love his energy, I love his willingness to get

495
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Speaker 9: out there and scrap, but he's got to be extremely careful.

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Speaker 3: This was another guy in his UFC debut.

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Speaker 9: Who almost knocked him out, So I think that, you know,

498
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Speaker 9: I was concerned with that was a not that was

499
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Speaker 9: also a punch that would have knocked out I mean

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Speaker 9: maybe eighty percent of the other fighters in that division.

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Speaker 9: I mean it was a brutal shot. Patty was able

502
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Speaker 9: to survive and come back. But you know, defensively, he's

503
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Speaker 9: got some work to do. And you know, I think

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Speaker 9: he's got a lot of potential, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 8: He fought March of twenty twenty and then March of

506
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty one and then this fight, so he hasn't

507
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Speaker 8: competed all that often in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 8: And certainly I don't have to tell this audience that

509
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Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty five pounds. As the challenges get stiffer,

510
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Speaker 8: you know, yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see.

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Speaker 5: How they proceed with him.

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Speaker 8: But sometimes I wonder, like, what is his goal in

513
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Speaker 8: coming to the UFC, Because when Connor McGregor came to

514
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Speaker 8: the UFC, I mean, certainly, I think his goals were many.

515
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Speaker 8: They were financial, but it was always the talk about

516
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Speaker 8: being a two division UFC champion. And who's to say

517
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Speaker 8: Patty Pimbleck can't do that, right? I mean, I think

518
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Speaker 8: he could realize success at featherweight if he ever wants

519
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Speaker 8: to cut back down there, but given that he's added muscle,

520
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure it's going to happen. But what are

521
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Speaker 8: his goals right to be a multi millionaire to be

522
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Speaker 8: the next cash cow for the UFC, because everything's in

523
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Speaker 8: front of him right now. I mean, whatever it is, like,

524
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Speaker 8: he clearly has it. He clearly moves a lot of

525
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Speaker 8: meat needles. I look to my left, I see the executives,

526
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Speaker 8: you know, Grant and ear to Ear. So if his

527
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Speaker 8: goals he undisputed UFC Lightweight Champion, I think there's a

528
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Speaker 8: lot that needs to happen for him to position himself

529
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Speaker 8: for that opportunity. But I mean, this dude could sell

530
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Speaker 8: out an arena in Liverpool tomorrow in a UFC main event,

531
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Speaker 8: and I think there are gonna be a lot of

532
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Speaker 8: big fights and matchups on the horizon for Paddy to Patty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's He's super exciting.

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Speaker 9: I just think that the UFC and everybody just kind

535
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Speaker 9: of needs to be careful of how fast they push

536
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Speaker 9: someone who's still learning the game. And I think that's

537
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Speaker 9: kind of that catch twenty two with someone like that

538
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Speaker 9: who does have, you know, a huge following, but does

539
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Speaker 9: have a a whole lot of holes in his game.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: I think that a lot of times we see the

542
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Speaker 9: result and we get all excited, like wow, that was great,

543
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Speaker 9: but like you know, there was a lot of sloppiness

544
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Speaker 9: that happened out there, so you know, it's it's important

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Speaker 9: that you recognize that and that he does have some

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Speaker 9: work to do. And when he does that and he's

547
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Speaker 9: able to shore up those you know, holes in his game,

548
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Speaker 9: he's he's going to be.

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Speaker 3: You know, he could absolutely go very far in the sport.

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Speaker 3: There's no question.

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Speaker 8: And even though I am more promoter than journalists at

552
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Speaker 8: this point in time, I try to give it to

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Speaker 8: you straight as well, right in terms of Patty Pimblet

554
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Speaker 8: and where he is at relative to where I think

555
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Speaker 8: he can be and to the rest of the division.

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Speaker 8: You know, Joe Silva tried to sign this kid when

557
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Speaker 8: he was eighteen years old. The promotion tried to sign

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Speaker 8: him again in twenty eighteen when he was twenty one,

559
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Speaker 8: and not like Israel, a lot of Sonia he resisted. Now,

560
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Speaker 8: fighters have different reasons for not signing with the UFC

561
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Speaker 8: when they first come calling, you know, and as I've

562
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Speaker 8: often said, you're you're a victim of your starting salary, right,

563
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Speaker 8: So is there a lot of Sonia wanted to make

564
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Speaker 8: sure that not only could he become the undisputed king

565
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Speaker 8: of the middleweights. But uh that when he came to

566
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Speaker 8: the UFC, you know that he could make a pretty

567
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Speaker 8: good nut to begin with. So we'll see how they

568
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Speaker 8: choose to proceed from a matchmaking perspective With Patti Pimblet.

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Speaker 8: I'm not even going to throw out a name because

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Speaker 8: I honestly don't know what they are going to do.

571
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Speaker 8: You know, some people have suggested, you know, if they

572
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Speaker 8: really wanted to blow the doors off the place, they

573
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Speaker 8: haven't fight Conor McGregor right now. I don't think Connor

574
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Speaker 8: McGregor would take that fight candidly. And uh, I don't

575
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Speaker 8: think Patty Pimblet is ready for that fight. I'm sure

576
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Speaker 8: he would tell you otherwise, you know, but uh, they

577
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Speaker 8: got a lot of options.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: The first name they call was Luigi ven Jermini and

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Speaker 5: uh and it goes to Patty Pimblet all right.

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654
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Speaker 8: wait for me to finish up. She was like lying

655
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 8: on the floor in our dressing room just in pain

656
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 8: from just exhaustion. This was a year and a half ago.

657
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 8: You know, I'm like, of course she stayed to take

658
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 8: my suit or whatever. And I don't know, I've just

659
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 8: never met somebody who's so selfless, so giving. And you

660
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 8: saw as soon as she went public with her diagnosis,

661
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 8: all these fighters devoting their wins and postfight interviews to her,

662
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 8: Rosanama Unis and Jimmy Rivera. She just made such an

663
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 8: imprint on this roster and all of the athletes and

664
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 8: their significant others that you see just how beloved she

665
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 8: was when she passes away. And I've taken some small

666
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 8: bit of solace in that. But last Thursday was one

667
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 8: of the sadest days of my life. There's no doubt

668
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 8: about it.

669
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, and it's again way too early.

670
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 6: And you know, it's nice when people have that type

671
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 6: of an impact. And I think that's why you feel

672
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 6: it so much, is that it's a loss, like it's

673
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 6: a real loss. Like you know, you might hear somebody

674
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 6: passing away that you haven't talked to in a year.

675
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 6: It's not the same you know, it's it's a different vibe,

676
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 6: but when you're communicating with people daily, it's it's just

677
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 6: it's it's tough. Man. I'm not even remotely ready to

678
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 6: talk about the loss that I felt. But no, I know,

679
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 6: and I feel your pain. Man, I'm as I really don't.

680
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 5: It's hard. It's hard when you're sort of.

681
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 8: In like the performance space right like I'm doing a

682
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 8: cameo like oh Caleb's twenty four and it's like the

683
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 8: fucking last thing I want to do right now the microphone,

684
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 8: like candidly, this is one of a handful of episodes

685
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 8: that we've done, like I don't want to be here today,

686
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 8: like period, I don't want to be here.

687
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 6: So you got to John, you got to realize she

688
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 6: wants you here. She knows that this is what you

689
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 6: love to do. And you know, same thing, like even

690
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 6: though it's a cameo, if you think you asked Susie,

691
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 6: you know, should I do it? You know if she's

692
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 6: telling you go for it? You know you know that though,

693
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 6: because that's thee. That's why you miss it, because that's

694
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 6: who she is.

695
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 8: So Ken Flow is obviously very close with Susie. I

696
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 8: did post a picture to my Instagram story today. At

697
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 8: that time, she flat iron Ken Flow's hair because he

698
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 8: showed up in Bangor, Maine. And you know, I don't

699
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 8: know if this was like his metro sexual phase or

700
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 8: what it was. His hair looked outstanding and it still does.

701
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 8: But like at the point, wait a.

702
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 6: Minute, I'm I'm with Cody phase. What do you do? Yeah?

703
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 6: When did it end?

704
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: Kenny?

705
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, but like at this stage in ken Flow's life,

706
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 8: like he was hot, like he was he was really hot,

707
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 8: and he came into the dressing room and he's like, Susie,

708
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 8: I don't know what happened my hair? She's flat iron,

709
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 8: you're in your hair. And I know, Kenny, like three

710
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 8: years ago, you hadn't seen her in a couple of years.

711
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 8: We picked you up at your hotel. The three of

712
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 8: us went out for a little bit, and I you know,

713
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 8: you're able to put this in a lot of perspective, obviously.

714
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 8: You know this came two days before the five year

715
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 8: anniversary of you losing your younger brother Kirk, And I

716
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 8: know it's been a heavy week for you, but you're

717
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 8: always able to help me with a little text message

718
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 8: trying to put this into its proper perspective.

719
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 5: But I don't know, man, this one is really tearing

720
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 5: a lot of us apart.

721
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do my best, man.

722
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 9: You know, Susie was just one of those people who

723
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 9: went above and beyond whatever she had to do, you know,

724
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 9: whether it was flat ironing my hair or just you know,

725
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 9: there was no there was no no in her vocabulary.

726
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 9: It was like, oh, I'll get it done. And she

727
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 9: would always, you know, go above and beyond. She was

728
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 9: one of the sweetest people in that organization bar none.

729
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 9: She always had time for you. And there wasn't a

730
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 9: time that I can remember, no matter what she was experiencing,

731
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 9: where she didn't have a smile on her face.

732
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: She was always laughing. She had that big, boisterous laugh

733
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: and and she was just so much fun to be around.

734
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 3: And this was a tough one and cancer absolutely sucks.

735
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 9: And it was one of those things that you know,

736
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 9: I think when we heard the news, we thought, Hey,

737
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 9: if there's someone who can get through this, who has

738
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 9: a positive attitude, is going to fight hard, it's gonna

739
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 9: be Susie. And obviously, you know, cancer can get the

740
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 9: better of anybody. And and that's the thing, and that's

741
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 9: the reminder and it was hard to see her go

742
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 9: through that. And I was actually getting updates while I

743
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 9: was in Vegas about Susie's condition, and I had heard

744
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 9: that she probably was going to have too much longer

745
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 9: to go, and it was horrible to hear that, And

746
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 9: it was even more horrible to hear that news about

747
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 9: Susie's passing.

748
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 8: Of all her amazing traits, positivity, to Kenny's point, was

749
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 8: probably her greatest asset. You know, there were plenty of

750
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 8: times over the course of our friendship. You know, she

751
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 8: first painted my face in two thousand and eight, Kenny

752
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 8: on MMA Live when we met her probably the same day.

753
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 8: But there were plenty of times in her life personally

754
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 8: professionally where things didn't go her way, and yet she

755
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 8: was still always so positive and with respect to her

756
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 8: privacy and her final days. I'm not going to get

757
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 8: into too many details, but I will just tell the

758
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 8: folks out there that are curious because they want to support,

759
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 8: like the MMA community wants to support, and that I

760
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 8: think is what sparks the curiosity. I'm just going to

761
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 8: tell y'all, I've never seen somebody fight like that. Our

762
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 8: last conversation two days before she passed. She said to me,

763
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 8: granted through week in speech, but she's like, I'm not

764
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 8: going anywhere, you know, like not fucking going anywhere, you know.

765
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 8: And I think maybe it hit me even harder because

766
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 8: I was so convinced that she was going to beat it,

767
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 8: because a lot of the things holistically and otherwise that

768
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 8: she was doing. We're working, but what a fight it was,

769
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 8: and what a life and what a legacy, and you know,

770
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 8: the uf hopefully we'll do right by her. But this

771
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 8: is like, I don't know, man, I just if it's

772
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 8: therapeutic to be able to talk to you guys about this,

773
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 8: because like I've already told my boss, like I ain't

774
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 8: sitting down on that makeup chair for UFC two sixty six.

775
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 8: I can assure you like I'm gonna paint my fucking

776
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 8: face in my room. And again, Susie's successor is one

777
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 8: of the greatest people I've ever met, Chris Giraldo, you know,

778
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 8: she's unbelievable.

779
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 5: But I can't sit in that chair. I'm gonna lose it.

780
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 8: I thought I was gonna lose it on the show today,

781
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 8: you know, So, uh, UFC two sixty six, I'm gonna

782
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 8: be painting my own face in honor of my dear

783
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 8: friend Susie Freeton, who, by the way, named my daughter

784
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 8: Tatum too.

785
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 5: And I'm so happy to have that truth with me forever.

786
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 8: You know, I was struggling two weeks before Tatum was

787
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 8: born in twenty thirteen.

788
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 5: We didn't have a name. You know, Kenny can attests

789
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 5: and Ray too.

790
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 8: It's hard to name a human being, right, didn't have

791
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 8: a name, and uh, Susie's painting my face and she's like,

792
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 8: what about Tatum? So I'm happy that she was able

793
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 8: to name my daughter Tatum, all right? Ray So ken

794
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 8: Full and I talked off the top of the show

795
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 8: about Derek Brunson's win over Darren Till and it seems

796
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 8: like both guys were going in not close. What did

797
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 8: you make of Derek Brunson's win over Darren Till and

798
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 8: how do you think it sort of affects the future

799
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 8: of both guys now moving forward at one eighty five.

800
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 6: I mean, look, my gut feeling unfortunately for Derek Brunson,

801
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 6: who I happened to like. And I'm happy that the

802
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 6: guy's on a roll and he's you know, he's looking good.

803
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 6: I just think that fight did absolutely nothing for him

804
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 6: getting closer you know, title shot. You know it was uh,

805
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't tell. I mean they say he's injured, right,

806
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 6: Is that what came out after he had a torn

807
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 6: a cl But I mean the only saving grace for

808
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 6: Kenny is that he wasn't his jiu jitsu instructor before that. Well,

809
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 6: that that looked like non ex I don't know what

810
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 6: I was looking at for a guy at that level

811
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 6: to be in the top five. I mean, Kenny, is

812
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 6: it me? I mean not even attempt anything. I mean

813
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 6: there was there was looked like a zero on a

814
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 6: scale of one to ten off his back. I mean

815
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 6: that was a Now somebody said, maybe Bruntson's got a

816
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 6: great top game. I mean it's just not even an

817
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 6: attempt at an elbow escape anything. Yeah, I don't, I

818
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 6: don't know. It wasn't. It was disappointing to me to

819
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 6: look at that fight. And I think I picked Till

820
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 6: in that fight because I thought he'd have you know,

821
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 6: he'd be scrambled back to his feet. You know, you

822
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 6: have to learn from the Woodley loss. I mean, right,

823
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 6: and then that was and that I don't know that

824
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 6: it wasn't a good look to me. It really wasn't.

825
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 6: I don't know what I was it was. Unfortunately for Brunson.

826
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 6: I don't think that's the win that's gonna I don't

827
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 6: think it moves the needle at all.

828
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 5: Kenny, what do you have on that jiu jitsu stuff?

829
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? I agree with Ray, and largely because of that

830
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 3: Woodley fight.

831
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 9: You know, if you know that there's a glaring weakness

832
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 9: in your game and that's where you're vulnerable, you think

833
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 9: that a fighter is gonna go, all right, I'm gonna

834
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 9: crush this area.

835
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: I don't want this to happen. Ever Again, I have

836
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: the striking, I have the striking.

837
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 9: I'm weak on the ground. I'm not gonna let this happen.

838
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 9: And we haven't seen that evolution. And I don't know

839
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 9: if it's because you know, he's not putting in the work,

840
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 9: he's not getting the right resources. You know how much

841
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 9: had to do with that injury, I don't know, but

842
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 9: even just kind of the way that he's moving, it

843
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 9: just didn't seem like he knew what he needed to do,

844
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 9: you know what I mean?

845
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 6: Right, Look, there's I mean I could take a guess

846
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 6: because I deal with it all the time. But the

847
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 6: guys they just like to hit the PIDs. Then they

848
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 6: lose a fight because they get taken down. They're unhappy.

849
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 6: I mean, I said to one guy one time ago,

850
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 6: you hit those pads again before you do any wrestling,

851
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 6: get out of the fucking I mean, it's just that's

852
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 6: how bad it is. Like it's everybody does what they

853
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 6: want to do, not what they have to do, right,

854
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 6: and that's the issue like that, yep, I mean, I

855
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 6: don't know I saw as. I mean, look again, if

856
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 6: the guy's injured and he's got a torenty ac yell,

857
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 6: which I still think you could have did something else,

858
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 6: but it just was not a good look. It really wasn't.

859
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 6: And you you the guys. I mean, in this day

860
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 6: and age in MMA, you have to be squared away

861
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 6: in a bunch of different things, right, And that's I

862
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 6: think that's the crazy part to me. To be not

863
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 6: to be squared away and to make it as far

864
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 6: as he did is amazing, you know what I mean.

865
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 6: But you could you could imagine now where everybody's gonna

866
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 6: go if they fight him. I mean, you know, why

867
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 6: even why even waste the time standing up just take

868
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 6: him down. I thought it was a bad look for

869
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 6: where they were in their career and not brunts and brunt.

870
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: He had to do.

871
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 6: But I don't think it's going to move the needle

872
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 6: because there was no resistance at all, and that that's

873
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 6: where I'm having the problem if I'm really analyzing it,

874
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 6: and you know the way the matchmakers are and stuff.

875
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 6: But Derek, you know, poor Derek thinks he's he's got

876
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 6: to win and he's going on and they're gonna tell

877
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 6: him that was you know, that was ship. You didn't

878
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 6: do anything. You know, who knows what's going on. I

879
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 6: hope he gets a title shot, I really do.

880
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 5: Well.

881
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 8: It's tricky because Jared Cannonier goes out as a minus

882
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 8: one to eighty favorite against Kelvin gastolom and it wasn't

883
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 8: a close fight per se, but a lot of people

884
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 8: thought it was close, right. Gaslam certainly had his moments.

885
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 8: We were singing kg's praises after the fact. So Cannadyir

886
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 8: goes out there's a two to one favorite, doesn't put

887
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 8: Gasolum away, and Derek Brunson, who was also injured, goes

888
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 8: out there as a near two to one underdog. And

889
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 8: fucking submits Darren Till and that's somehow not good enough,

890
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. It's like you go and

891
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 8: you choke the guy out, and you know, I don't

892
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 8: disagree with you, Ray, like I think they're gonna make

893
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 8: him fight one more. But it's like, you cap this

894
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 8: winning streak at five by submitting Darren Till as an underdog,

895
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 8: Like that should be enough as far as I'm concerned.

896
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 6: But I think it should be. But unfortunately, you know,

897
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 6: you're always looking to build a title fight that there's

898
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 6: more to it than just winning. Right, It's got to

899
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 6: be marketable. They have to, you know, make sure you know,

900
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 6: they get pay per view buys. And that's where I

901
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 6: think it gets tricky in that fight. Does he deserve

902
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 6: the title shot? Do I think he's gonna get it?

903
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 9: No?

904
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 6: Right?

905
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 8: And Cannoneer hasn't fought Israel lot of Sonia, And again

906
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 8: is he's got to get through Whittaker.

907
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: Right.

908
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 8: If Robert Wittaker beats are a lot of Sonya, those

909
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 8: guys could be destined for a trilogy. And then this

910
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 8: whole division gets held up because of those two, uh,

911
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 8: And I say held up probably in the best of

912
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 8: ways that those guys are fighting three times. But uh,

913
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 8: interesting stuff nonetheless, But I think you bring up a

914
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 8: lot of important truths when it comes to Darren Till

915
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 8: and the defensing of grappling, Like I'm not always in

916
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 8: the in the business of criticizing coaches, Like I don't

917
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 8: know intimately what Team Calbon is doing on a day

918
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 8: to day basis, and when it comes to their grappling.

919
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 8: I believe Tom aspinall the UFC heavyweight for a time,

920
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 8: headed up their grappling program. But if this result doesn't

921
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 8: affect change after what happened against Woodley three years ago

922
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 8: and now this, you know, perhaps the ceiling is lower

923
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 8: than I thought on dar.

924
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 6: Until now when Win not getting down on the coaches.

925
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 6: I'm defending the coaches because I try to get guys

926
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 6: to do stuff. Yeah, trust me, it's not the coaches

927
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 6: I'm saying. That's not a I mean, he he doesn't

928
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 6: have a coach telling them your striking is good enough,

929
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 6: no one will love it. Take you down. That's not happening.

930
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 6: You know, he just doing what he likes to do.

931
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 6: It looks like to me, I don't know it's anyway.

932
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 8: You know, here a lot of athletes talk about the

933
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 8: wrestling maintenance during their MMA careers and what a pain

934
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 8: in the ass that is. I'm sure, Kenny, for you

935
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 8: some of the Brazilian jitsu maintenance over the course of

936
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 8: your career.

937
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: When you know, when when you when that Jah I

938
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 5: was looking so good, but.

939
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: You probably absolutely And it's also comes down to like

940
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: who do you have in there?

941
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 9: You know, like what kind of wrestlers, what kind of

942
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 9: jujitsu guys, And if you don't have guys that are

943
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 9: pushing you every day, then.

944
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: You got to bring them in.

945
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: So, you know, I gotta say one of the things

946
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 6: that always impressed me with Widman was when he was

947
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 6: on like he was already years out of college. Man,

948
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 6: he was still crushing those college the guys that were

949
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 6: good in college. Whoever, we I never saw the guy

950
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 6: have a problem. I never saw the guy have a

951
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 6: problem with the wrestling. Yeah, So he always maintained that,

952
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 6: and uh, you know, we always worked on his striking.

953
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 8: So I don't know, all right, we got a couple

954
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 8: more minutes with the Great Ray Longo, So Morob Dwallas,

955
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 8: Willie al Jamin Sterling, Ally Quinta. They all have fights

956
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 8: on the books. Seems as though there's a pretty good

957
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 8: vibe there. If Instagram is any indication, you look like

958
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 8: a very happy man.

959
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 6: I'm a happy man. Happy man. Everybody's back together. I

960
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 6: think we're going to stay together, which makes me really happy.

961
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 6: They're working their rases off. Saturday at the gym was beautiful. Sunday.

962
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 6: I'm busier than I ever been, which I like obviously,

963
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 6: but I'm watching these guys vibe together, and we got

964
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 6: some real good up and coming guys. It's just it's

965
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 6: a it's a really there's some really solid guys in

966
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 6: the gym. There really is with everybody, and those guys

967
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 6: are those guys are knocking it out of the park man,

968
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 6: So it's it's it's a good time and they have

969
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 6: everybody's got a super tough fight. I mean this we're

970
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 6: in the big leagues, right. This isn't like you know

971
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 6: you're going in. I mean the average guy will get killed,

972
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 6: but you know, at the top level, so they have

973
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 6: to be squared away. And what I'm seeing now is

974
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 6: everybody's looking really good.

975
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: All right.

976
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 8: So I'm gonna be calling Morob's fight here in a

977
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 8: couple of weeks, and I'm gonna be calling al Jamaine

978
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 8: Sterling's fight on October thirtieth.

979
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 5: Do you have anything resembling intel for me on either man?

980
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 8: I know how close so the two of you combined

981
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 8: could never do a podcast because you don't think so

982
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 8: close to the goddamn best to me to be like, well, hey, man,

983
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 8: like Morob looks as good as ever, right, like, I mean,

984
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 8: I know his cardio's on point, but just something like, oh,

985
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 8: you know, Marlin's got you know a lot of tricky

986
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 8: weapon know or mindful of this or whatever I mean,

987
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 8: or just like everybody's greatny do.

988
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 6: That Marlin's a killer, you know. And again when that

989
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 6: fight got off it, it was that fight got off

990
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 6: it to us right after he beat Cody's stateman in

991
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 6: the hotel room. And my only stipulars is I want

992
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 6: a five round fight, dude, making a main event. I

993
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 6: think Morob deserves it. Malins a big name making a

994
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 6: main event because five rounds, one hundred Rob gets that

995
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 6: job done. Three rounds. You know, Marlins a killer man.

996
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 6: That first round is is a pivotal round, you know.

997
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 6: So uh, you know, the other guy's just he's not

998
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 6: going to stop. He either goes out or he doesn't stop.

999
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's the fight.

1000
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1001
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 6: I thought by my I thought I inferred with my

1002
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 6: attitude towards what you were saying at the beginning. Everybody's

1003
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 6: doing good. I've got a good fight. They're training hard and.

1004
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 5: No flights book to Abu Dhabi as yet.

1005
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 6: Correct, not as of yet. But I'm going, you know,

1006
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 6: the only trying to get this vaccination thing down. What

1007
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 6: I might have to get vaccinated. I don't know what

1008
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 6: I'm doing. I'm I don't know what. I don't want

1009
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 6: to be hassled over there for sure, come down to

1010
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 6: getting like hastled. Just give me to give me any shot.

1011
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 8: Well my infirm speculation right now, Yes, we want to

1012
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 8: hear that you probably would be hassled more if you're

1013
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 8: not vaccinated in terms of what you would be required

1014
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 8: to do, what you would be required to do.

1015
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 5: So I'll see what I can dig up for you.

1016
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 6: But see if you can because I think pretty strict

1017
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 6: over this. So as of right now, you're definitely going

1018
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 6: uh booked from morob obviously, yeah, uh hey, real quick,

1019
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 6: real quick before we go, though, I mean, we're not

1020
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 6: any if you want to nothing with the Holy Field

1021
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 6: Vita Belfort disgrace.

1022
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 5: All right, So I had just destroy that for a while.

1023
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 6: I mean, who in the right mind is happy beating

1024
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 6: up a fucking fifty eight year old I do. I

1025
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 6: swear to God, I don't know what I was looking at.

1026
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 5: I really what watched it?

1027
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, live what I do for a living. You know,

1028
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 6: I'm int the con you know, no, I understand, you know,

1029
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 6: like yeah, no, no, I watched it, and uh I

1030
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 6: just thought it was disgraceful almost, you know what I mean,

1031
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 6: Like sixty we got we got down on McGregor for

1032
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 6: punching the guy in a bar that was probably forty nine.

1033
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, this guy's fifty eight years old.

1034
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 6: Is that an accomplished mc kenny? I mean, is it

1035
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 6: me with that? Is that an accomplishment?

1036
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: Never should have happened. The fight never happened.

1037
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, hats off to Andy Forrester for not letting that

1038
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 6: fight happen in California too, because you know, there comes

1039
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 6: a point with these guys. You got to save him

1040
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 6: from themselves and men who who didn't love holy Field.

1041
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 6: Everybody loved them. Guy was a great fighter, one of

1042
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 6: the greatest. What does Vita Belfoot actually think he beat

1043
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 6: a Vander Holyfield because he sure acted like it, And

1044
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 6: I go, that's that's that's borderline insanity to me.

1045
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 5: Well, that's a whole other thing, Kenny.

1046
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 6: Off.

1047
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 8: Well, no, Evander Holyfield made tens of millions of dollars

1048
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 8: during his boxing career. I I didn't research enough to

1049
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 8: know whether he needed the money or if this is

1050
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 8: you know, like, what's the play here, right, Because the

1051
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 8: saddest thing is that if an Evander Holyfield type needs

1052
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 8: the money at this stage of his life, given all

1053
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 8: he accomplished in the boxing world, when purses weren't.

1054
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 5: That bad, that's sad. That's a sad reality. If that's

1055
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 5: the truth. I don't know if that's it is.

1056
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 9: It's a sad reality for a lot of professional athletes, unfortunately.

1057
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 9: And my understanding is that he was in some financial

1058
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 9: trouble at a certain point. I don't know if it

1059
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 9: was recently. I remember several years ago hearing about him

1060
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 9: having some issues.

1061
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's sad. It's a fight that never should

1062
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 3: have happened.

1063
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 9: At the very least, at the very least, I don't know,

1064
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 9: put him up against another guy who's fifty Maybe, I

1065
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 9: don't know even then it's like when I saw him

1066
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 9: warming up and I again, it's a warm up, and it's,

1067
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 9: you know, one of those pressers for hitting Pat. Are

1068
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 9: you telling me that's the end? That's the Evander Holyfield

1069
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 9: that we were used to it. I don't know what's

1070
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 9: going on. We live in a simulation. I'm almost convinced

1071
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 9: of it. I'm confused, man, Yeah.

1072
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 6: I'm with you, Kenny.

1073
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 5: I really like, can we talk about bitcoin next week?

1074
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 6: By the way, what's the advice on bitcoin?

1075
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: Buy it? Jeez? Right now, buy it and hold it?

1076
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 6: I mean, is he at the bottom of He's at

1077
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 6: the top of that ponzi scheme, isn't he. He got

1078
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 6: in there for like two dollars. He just wants to

1079
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 6: drive it up.

1080
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 8: Oh forty four and changs ken fo, we might have

1081
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 8: see it's a good discount.

1082
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I lost my train, I thought with the

1083
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 5: bitcoin up.

1084
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 8: No, but Evander Holyfield, right, it is obviously a sad

1085
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 8: thing that he would need this payday.

1086
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 6: Right.

1087
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 8: The Victor Belfort side is that he was preparing for

1088
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 8: Oscar de la Hoya, who is in his age bracket,

1089
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 8: you know, And if your Vctor Belfort right, obviously he

1090
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 8: made a lot of money in his career, right, but

1091
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 8: he's got three kids that he has to put through

1092
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 8: through college, although at least two of them are going

1093
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 8: to get full rides, by the way, the one one

1094
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 8: for volleyball, one for football. But like your vtor, Kenny,

1095
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 8: you're in a little bit of it right of the paint.

1096
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 8: Two million dollars to show, and you're preparing for a date,

1097
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 8: and you know he's working hard. You know, say what

1098
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 8: you want about the way he celebrated the win, Ray,

1099
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 8: but if.

1100
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 6: Your vitour you know, yeah, you know, no, that's my

1101
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 6: only point is the way he celebate if he would

1102
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 6: have said, listen, man, give it up to a Vanda

1103
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 6: for just even stepping through those ropes. And you know

1104
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: how many fifty years you know, like how many fifty

1105
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 6: eight year olds can even you know, lace up a

1106
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 6: pair of bodies something. But to act like you did

1107
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 6: something horrendous.

1108
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 8: But see here's Kenny Florian right, who has said repeatedly

1109
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 8: like he ain't taken Triller's money, right, But like Kenny

1110
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 8: could se easily right do any of these things. Okay,

1111
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 8: maybe his back wouldn't hold up right, so maybe he

1112
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 8: would be presenting like a thirty percent version. I know

1113
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 8: he hates when we make him this say of attention, right,

1114
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 8: but like he could give.

1115
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 6: Away his weakness so in case they know what you

1116
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 6: go after. But I'm not sure.

1117
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 8: I'm just saying like he could do, like if you

1118
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 8: presented him with bare knuckle boxing and they'll pay you

1119
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 8: like three or five bitcoin. Like part of him might

1120
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 8: be in right, but no, because from a competition standpoint,

1121
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 8: he's an Oregon right right, they pointing to the logo

1122
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 8: ray I love it, But he is an organ right

1123
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 8: now doing a jiu jitsu seminar at mac Danzicks. Now,

1124
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 8: I don't think they're paying him fifty grand to show today.

1125
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 8: Now I could be wrong, right, but you can understand

1126
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 8: why somebody in Kenny's position, who lives in Charlotte wouldn't

1127
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 8: want to go to Oregon to do a jiu jitsu

1128
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 8: seminar when he could go do bare knuckle boxing and

1129
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 8: make three hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

1130
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 6: Can you put a price on happiness for me? Right now?

1131
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 6: Put a price on happiness.

1132
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 5: I'm not happy.

1133
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 6: You know, some of the richest people, they can't buy

1134
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 6: a good moment in their life. Everything's miserable. They got

1135
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 6: millions of dollars. Look at the smile on them. Look,

1136
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 6: I mean he doesn't have been back is jiu jitsu. Yeah,

1137
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 6: he's having a great time.

1138
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 5: He's not a time tonight because am I Roy.

1139
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 6: Spreading the knowledge is something he loves. Put a value

1140
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 6: on that ahead, I want to hear it. No boxing,

1141
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 6: what do you want?

1142
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 5: No, I'm not trying to put words in his mouth.

1143
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 8: But I always think it's interesting when we have these

1144
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 8: conversations because one of the co hosts of this podcast

1145
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 8: is a guy that on any given Saturday night could

1146
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 8: take advantage of one of these type of opportunities, and

1147
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 8: he's just still love.

1148
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 9: You know what.

1149
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 6: I think why he doesn't because he still has his faculties.

1150
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 6: Had to tell holy Field, you can't do this. We're

1151
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 6: not letting you do it.

1152
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 8: What but like, I'm more likely to step in an

1153
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 8: amateur boxing ring and do that than Kenny is to

1154
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 8: take one of these novelty fights at this point in time.

1155
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 5: Like that's the cold heart truth for.

1156
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 9: The you know, I'll be candid with you. It's like

1157
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 9: I'm a mixed martial artist. I'm not I'm not a

1158
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 9: box I'm not a strict Muay Thai guy. I'm not,

1159
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 9: you know, like, that's not what I do. And I

1160
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 9: feel like, I don't know what people if they want

1161
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 9: to see me fight, they probably want to see me

1162
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 9: fight when I'm in my you know, early thirties, fighting

1163
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 9: mixed martial arts because that's what I did best. Whereas

1164
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 9: you know, you want to see a forty five year

1165
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 9: old Kenny Florian do something that he does. Okay, you

1166
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 9: know what I mean.

1167
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 6: But that's what people are paying for. That's what people are.

1168
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: Paying for now. It's like short, Could I make a

1169
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: lot of money? Absolutely, I mean I can. I can

1170
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 3: make millions on a on a only fan What is it?

1171
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: Fans only? What the hell are those things? I don't

1172
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: know a lot of ways you could sell yourself.

1173
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 6: But you know, Kenny, you're not telling me you're going

1174
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 6: to expose your Willie Whacker or for money.

1175
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to bring in so much money,

1176
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: you know, you know.

1177
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 6: I mean the problem is, I think everybody's already knows,

1178
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 6: so you he was an active guy.

1179
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 8: Need to expose it. Just put a fucking speed on

1180
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 8: on that thing, Ken. Yeah, Oh my god, the spiraled

1181
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 8: out of control. One thing that a lot of people

1182
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 8: wanted us to talk about today that I wasn't necessarily

1183
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 8: gonna get into. I don't know if you saw it

1184
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 8: looked like a transgender woman, uh defeated a woman in

1185
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 8: a mixed martial arts contest over the weekend.

1186
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 5: Did you see that?

1187
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 6: Cody said, that's that's that's surprising. Yeah, no, I heard

1188
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 6: you kill Really Come on, man, I heard she wrapped

1189
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 6: a cock around the guy's throat and choked them at

1190
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 6: the poor girl. I mean that's not right. I mean

1191
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 6: you got to somebody's got to get in there and

1192
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 6: be the voice of reason.

1193
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 5: Yes, I nominate he did my god ready.

1194
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 6: Did the lawn moow would choke on the poor girl?

1195
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 6: That's not right. Here's the penis as a ripcord. What

1196
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 6: are we doing, you guys, You guys, get a grip

1197
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 6: on yourself. There's a series show show. It's a serious topic. Yeah,

1198
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 6: you know, you know, you know Kenny used to say

1199
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 6: something stupid, Kenny, And they show me Kenny used to

1200
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 6: say something stupid. You give the guy the cold shoulder.

1201
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 6: Now you just hancel the fun out of him. It's like,

1202
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 6: oh yeah, old shoulder on on steroids. You're just you're gone.

1203
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 6: You don't give you the cold shoulder. We just eliminated.

1204
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 8: If you're as beloved as Ray long ago, you don't

1205
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 8: get canceled when you And maybe this isn't even polarizing,

1206
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 8: but I will just say right there is a lot

1207
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 8: of literature out there right now.

1208
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 5: You can go to ESPN dot com right now and there's.

1209
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 6: A running over there.

1210
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 5: I know you will. There's a long form.

1211
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 8: Feature on you know, transgender athletes, you know, and a

1212
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 8: nine year old girl who was born as a boy

1213
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 8: finally getting the chance to compete with girls in soccer

1214
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 8: or whatever, you know. And I think, philosophically and up wise,

1215
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 8: there are a lot of people who have tremendous issues

1216
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 8: with this, right and with somebody who was maybe born

1217
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 8: a man competing in a combat sports setting against somebody

1218
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 8: who was born a woman.

1219
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 5: And you know, I knew you might have some uh no.

1220
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 6: Look on the series though. Just the athletic commissions are

1221
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 6: there to establish a fair playing field. If if it's fair,

1222
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 6: I'm for it one hundred per I just I'm not

1223
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 6: I'm confused as to how you know, it's almost like

1224
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 6: we said with like Kenny said, with the Holy Field, like,

1225
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 6: get him another fifty eight year old at least, not

1226
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 6: that anybody wants to see it, but at least you

1227
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 6: could say it's fair. Right based on that right, this

1228
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 6: doesn't seem like it's fair.

1229
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 8: I mean, you could so do Florian Loson two oh

1230
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 8: in Boston. You could do any goddamn discipline you want.

1231
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 5: You could do well.

1232
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 8: I mean, you could certainly do a quintet ultra match

1233
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 8: between was on and floor.

1234
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: He's just he's not, he's not. He's keeps keeps pushing me.

1235
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 5: You go ahead, go ahead.

1236
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna chime in on that. You know,

1237
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: I agree with Bray Listen.

1238
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 9: You know, it's one thing, you know, to go out

1239
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 9: there and you know, support people's decisions to do whatever

1240
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 9: they want.

1241
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: That's fine.

1242
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 9: But I think when you're talking about something, even any

1243
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 9: kind of sport, you know, I think there's like the

1244
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 9: biological uh element there, and there's the other element of,

1245
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 9: you know, what someone wants to be or how they

1246
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 9: want to be identified as, and and I think that

1247
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 9: when you start getting into sports, when you start getting

1248
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 9: into specifically combat sports, where someone who biologically is born

1249
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 9: with a significant more amount of strength and power, uh

1250
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 9: than say a biologically born female. You're asking for trouble.

1251
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 9: I think that's when you can get really uh, you

1252
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 9: get someone who can get seriously injured. And I know,

1253
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 9: maybe maybe that fight isn't indicative of that because you

1254
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 9: know the who was it was it what was the

1255
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 9: name of the other one, Kathy or Catherine or something

1256
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 9: like that who fought. She was actually handling herself quite well.

1257
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 9: But again it's that's just not a fair fight. That

1258
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 9: there's a reason why we don't have, you know, mixed

1259
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 9: divisions with women fighting men.

1260
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 6: It's just why not why not have an old transgender division.

1261
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that would make sense.

1262
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 6: You get to compete, nobody topping you. Everybody's everybody's cool

1263
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 6: with that.

1264
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 3: Why not do that? Selene was her name. She she

1265
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: was doing well on the striking.

1266
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 9: But again I agree at least making an even playing field,

1267
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 9: and absolutely you can compete and compete against, you know,

1268
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 9: others who are in the same situation.

1269
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1270
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 8: Obviously, if one of my daughters came to me and

1271
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 8: was associating with masculinity and being a man, I would

1272
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 8: do anything in my power to make my kid happy

1273
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 8: in their own skin. But when you come to athletics

1274
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 8: and combat sports again, I would encourage people go check out.

1275
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 8: There's some crazy stuff out there in terms of what

1276
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 8: is going on and how these different states are trying

1277
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 8: to handle. What is a really really tricky thing. All right,

1278
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 8: anything else before we let you go longer? That's it

1279
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 8: on my notes. My man, look at that hair, I

1280
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 8: mean every which way even sideways, you know, hopefully we

1281
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 8: cut that thing before.

1282
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 6: What's going on? It look like?

1283
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't it amazing you grew that thing out for

1284
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 5: like a year?

1285
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: What's that thing doing over there? Just make his mind up?

1286
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: What is that thing? Yeah? Up and down? What do

1287
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: you what are we doing?

1288
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 5: My two pay?

1289
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 6: It's not going right?

1290
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 8: Hey, what do you think of the NFL Week one?

1291
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 8: You watch any football yesterday? Or is the long ago boycott?

1292
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 8: Absolutely it's calling Kaepernick boycott is still.

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Speaker 6: Top fucking disgraceful.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Now we have twenty seven national anthems we got to sing.

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Speaker 6: So it's two hours before you even get to the

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Speaker 6: game now, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Hey, hey, we just commemorated the twenty year anniversary of

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Speaker 8: September eleventh, two thousand.

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Speaker 5: Days in American history. You're obviously a native New Yorker.

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Speaker 5: Where were you?

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Speaker 6: I was at the gym, at the gym training somebody,

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Speaker 6: and we heard the news, and I think we took

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Speaker 6: a couple of people who went to the supermarkets started

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Speaker 6: stocking up on stuff. One of those days, you know,

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Speaker 6: just just pontificating as though, what could what could happen?

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Speaker 6: Nobody really knew much about al Qaeda and that type

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Speaker 6: of shit back then, I don't think. But it's great

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Speaker 6: offering horrible what happened to everybody, and everybody to help

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Speaker 6: clean up that got diagnosed with cancer. I mean, this

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Speaker 6: is it's a crazy world, man, really really crazy.

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Speaker 8: It's sobering to see my children learn about this and

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Speaker 8: just can't really put it together, you know, just how

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Speaker 8: how much hate. And you know, my mother was actually

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Speaker 8: in the air flying from Boston to Tampa to one

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Speaker 8: of the Red Sox play the Devil Rays, and so

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Speaker 8: I remember I had worked the overnight at the newspaper.

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Speaker 8: My stepfather. I'm sleeping on a mattress in Medway, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 5: Can flow. My stepfather comes in.

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Speaker 8: He's like, hey, man, you may may want to turn

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Speaker 8: on the television and see what happened. Your brother's in

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Speaker 8: the air, we haven't heard from him. So my brother

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Speaker 8: ends up from the phone in Virginia emergency landing and

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Speaker 8: then they bust everybody who was on the plane either

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Speaker 8: to Tampa back to Massachusetts. It's interesting was that former

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Speaker 8: Boston Red Sox trot Nixon ended up being on the

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Speaker 8: bus next to my brother on his way back because

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Speaker 8: he didn't fly with the team because his wife was

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Speaker 8: in labor, you know.

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Speaker 5: Just but anyway, I just that's where I was.

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Speaker 8: Kenny, Where were you on September even in two thousand

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Speaker 8: and one, do you recall I was working.

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Speaker 9: I remember working and kind of starting my day on

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Speaker 9: my laptop, just kind of going over the news as

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Speaker 9: I'm working, and I see this picture of a plane

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Speaker 9: heading towards the building and I'm like, what, what's this?

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Speaker 3: And that was when the first.

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Speaker 9: Plane hit, and I'm just kind of following the news,

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Speaker 9: and then, of course, you know, we hear the news

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Speaker 9: about the second plane, and that was that was a

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Speaker 9: really powerful moment for me.

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Speaker 3: You know, I made a huge life change after that.

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Speaker 9: That was kind of I was either going to go

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Speaker 9: into the military or I was going to do something

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Speaker 9: martial arts related after that, And yeah, it was wild times.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of guys in the gym went into

1348
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Speaker 6: the service that are in the gym now that I'm

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Speaker 6: finding out later. But yeah, that's that was a crazy

1350
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Speaker 6: You really weren't even sure if it was real.

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Speaker 9: It was.

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Speaker 6: It was pretty surreal, I think, you know, because it

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Speaker 6: never nothing like that ever came close to happening. And uh, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I remember. It is one of those days you remember

1355
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Speaker 6: exactly who you were with and what you did, and

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Speaker 6: I can't remember last week, you know, right right, It

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Speaker 6: gets that in your mind.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but by my man, hey, we appreciate the extended

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Speaker 8: time we got to let you fly, make some picks

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Speaker 8: for the fight night coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 5: Anything else before we let you.

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Speaker 6: Go, that's it man, Audios Correct Kenny, it's only buddy

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Speaker 6: there waiting. I got three texas from women that have

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Speaker 6: just stay said please.

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Speaker 5: I actually I think Kenny Florian only fans might be honest.

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Speaker 6: What I'm afraid of is you're going to be the

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Speaker 6: first guy signing up.

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Speaker 5: I gotta go, right, That's the truth.

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Speaker 8: If I keep pushing Kenny Florian fight, you gonna end

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Speaker 8: up wanting to fight me.

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Speaker 5: You know, I get it, get it so.

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Speaker 8: Ken fully used say to me, dude, like, why are

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Speaker 8: we paying fees for our online checking account? Like, respectfully,

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Speaker 8: does your online checking account cost you money? Your online

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Speaker 5: And you're starting to see Chime all over.

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Speaker 8: They have more than sixty SAPs sixty thousand be free

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Speaker 8: CBS and more. That's more than the top three national

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Speaker 8: banks combined. By the way, what if my friends aren't

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Speaker 8: on Chime yet, though you say, not a problem. You

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Speaker 8: and at any all point or VISA plus alliance ATM.

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Speaker 5: Other fees such as third party in cash deposit fees

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Speaker 5: may apply.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 8: UFC Fight Night Smith Versus Span Live from the UFC

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Speaker 8: Apex this weekend after a bye week for the Combat

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Speaker 8: Sports Leader. Back at it Saturday, September eighteenth on ESPN Plus.

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Speaker 8: Let's make some picks in the Main Event Challenge.

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Speaker 3: It's the Main Event Challenge.

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Speaker 6: Time.

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Speaker 5: How do you everything possibile to win.

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Speaker 1: The Main Event Challenge? John Hannack and Kenny Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 8: All right, we've got just two picks today, UFC Fight

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Speaker 8: Night Smith versus Span and joining us as our former intern.

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Speaker 8: Look at how good this guy looks in that Anakin

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Speaker 8: Floring podcast t shirt. By the way, Casey Williams on

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Speaker 8: social media, you can find him at Casey Keenan m

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Speaker 8: m A just one e in Keenan not too casey.

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Speaker 5: Good to see it. Thanks for classing up the joint

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Speaker 5: after Ray Longo.

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 7: Is my hair a little better than Ray Longos?

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Speaker 6: Or what your hair?

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Speaker 5: Your shirt?

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Speaker 3: I mean it literally.

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Speaker 8: You guys might both have gone with the maroon af

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Speaker 8: monogram teacher today, but yours looks clean like his caller

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Speaker 8: is like wilting Away.

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Speaker 3: What do you do with that? Drag it behind him

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Speaker 3: in a car.

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Speaker 7: I'm telling you off the air that I lint rolled

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Speaker 7: this shirt.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you, Mike Clean, I went all about some

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Speaker 4: iron podcast debut beautiful.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's great to have you with us, and we

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Speaker 8: appreciate all your hard work over the last several months,

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Speaker 8: and I know you know this stuff. Well, let's get

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Speaker 8: into the Komain event. At least as it holds right now.

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Speaker 8: Ewanku Laba is the minus one thirty five betting favorite

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Speaker 8: against Devin brown Bear Clark, who is plus one point

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Speaker 8: fifteen will take the round and the method of victory

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Speaker 8: as well. So Kute Laba is sort of an interesting

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Speaker 8: case right. Just one win in his last five fights

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 8: doesn't really tell the whole story. Last fight, though, a

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Speaker 8: split draw against Dustin Jacoby, and on the other side

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Speaker 8: Devin Clark. He was submitted by Anthony Smith last November

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Speaker 8: in a fight that actually got elevated to main event

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Speaker 8: status if I'm not mistaken, but brown Bear had won

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Speaker 8: two straight prior.

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Speaker 5: To that loss. Casey Williams kute Laba Clark in the

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Speaker 5: co main event. Who wins this is an interesting fight.

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Speaker 4: I think Devin Clark first and foremost. I think he's

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 4: an athlete. He's mentioned, you know, off there and interviews

1449
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 4: that he has aspirations of being a bobsledter, you know,

1450
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 4: after the UFC he has inspirations to deadlift a thousand pounds,

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Speaker 4: and he was discovered on Dana White's looking for a fight.

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Speaker 7: So I do think this is going to be a

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01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 7: must win for either fighter.

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Speaker 4: I think both of which are a little bit underperforming

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Speaker 4: compared to expectations.

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Speaker 6: Right is a fighter, He doesn't.

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Speaker 7: Have any aspirations outside of the cage.

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Speaker 6: He wants to fight.

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Speaker 3: This guy cannot do.

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Speaker 7: Anything else other than fight. In my opinion, he was

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Speaker 7: a born fire. He's not gonna bob sled, He's not

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Speaker 7: gonna deadlift a thousand pounds.

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Speaker 3: He is going to fight.

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Speaker 7: That's all he wants to do. I think in this fight,

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Speaker 7: the the grap is going to negate each other.

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Speaker 4: I think you have Ian Kuchualaba, who's got a sambo background,

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Speaker 4: you have Devin Clark, who's a junior college All American wrestler.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's gonna be on the feet when

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be on the feed. I think Ian Kuzulaba's.

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Speaker 3: Aggression is going to be the difference maker.

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Speaker 4: I think if he can maintain the same energy that

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Speaker 4: he brings to the weigh ins, you know when he's

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Speaker 4: grabbing Justin Jakobe from the back, you know he's getting

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Speaker 4: in his opponent's face right before the fight. If he

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Speaker 4: can bring that same energy to Devin Clark and make

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Speaker 4: it a nasty fight, it's gonna be Ian kutz Lava's

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Speaker 4: fight to win. So I'm gonna go with Ian Kuzulaba

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Speaker 4: via knockout in round one. And another point is Devin

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Speaker 4: Clark and three out of his five career losses he's

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Speaker 4: been finished in the first round.

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Speaker 8: How about that, including the last one against Anthony Smith.

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Speaker 8: All Right, Ken Floor, what do you think kut Lava

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Speaker 8: and Clark in the komain?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Casey broke it down beautifully. I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, I think that's where Devon's going to be

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Speaker 9: most susceptible. I think that's where he Cutzalaba is most

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Speaker 9: dangerous is in round one, especially. He goes out like

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Speaker 9: a bat out of hell in that first round, and

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Speaker 9: I think if Devin isn't looking to clinch, he might

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Speaker 9: be in trouble there. I think, I like, I like

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Speaker 9: Devon's leg kicks, but boxing wise, he's gonna have to

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Speaker 9: be careful with Cutlaba. I think Cutalaba wins this fight,

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Speaker 9: though I think his aggression, his ability to come forward

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Speaker 9: is going to be the difference, like Casey said, and

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Speaker 9: I like a round one knockout as well.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 8: Main event in the light heavyweight division, number six in

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Speaker 8: the world, Anthony Smith minus won sixty five eleventh ranked

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Speaker 8: Ryan Span plus one forty five for his first UFC

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Speaker 8: main event will either round of the method of victory boys.

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Speaker 8: So Anthony Smith two straight wins for him, last of

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Speaker 8: which came against Jimmy Crut April twenty four. On the

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Speaker 8: other side, Ryan's Span, I didn't realize that he was

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Speaker 8: this shiny in the UFC five and one of the octagon.

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Speaker 8: He's one nine of ten overall, only man who beat

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Speaker 8: him in the UFC Johnny Walker by knockout last September. Span,

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01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 8: They'll responded in kind with a big finish of meets

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01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 8: Serapanov earlier this year Casey Williams competitive main event. I

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01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 8: think it's properly Pryce Smith versus Span under the lights

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01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 8: on Saturday Night.

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 5: Who wins it and how do they get it done?

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01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 4: I think this is an interesting fight. I think it's

1513
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 4: all going to come down to which Anthony Smith shows up?

1514
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 4: Is this the Anthony Smith of old? Who is the

1515
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 4: world beer who was in there with John Jones, who

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01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 4: was in there with Alexander Gustafson, who was in there

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01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 4: with Glover to Shera. Obviously he lost to John Jones

1518
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 4: and Glover to Shia, but he had an amazing performance

1519
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 4: against Alexander Gustafson. Ryan Span, I think brings a lot

1520
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 4: to the table and I think he can win the fight.

1521
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 4: Ryan Span is trained out of Dallas with Safe, so

1522
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 4: your buddy at a four to c m A. So

1523
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 4: I have to be careful about what I say.

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01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 7: About Ryan Span.

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01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 4: Is I never want to run into that guy in

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 4: Dallas and have to face any of his wrath, but

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01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 4: Ryan Span His advantage is going to be athleticism.

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01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 6: He's a huge guy.

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01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 7: He's a huge, huge light heavyweight. He's six foot five.

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01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,480
Speaker 7: He's got to reach advantage.

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01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 4: He's extremely athletic and extremely violent and extremely aggressive. But

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01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 4: with that, he's fighting Anthony Smith, who is a much

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01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 4: more technical fighter. Anthony Smith, in my opinion, has a

1534
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 4: technical striking advantage and a significant technical grappling advantage. Anthony

1535
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 4: Smith is a black belt in versil A jiu jitsu.

1536
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:23,879
Speaker 4: Ryan Span is a blue belt in versil.

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01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 6: A jiu jitsu.

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 4: Where ry Ryan Span has got a lot of his

1539
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 4: opponents early on is going to be a modified guillotine

1540
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 4: that his opponents will shoot for a single or a double,

1541
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 4: a kind of a sloppy single or double takedown, and

1542
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 4: Ryan Span will get them in a modified guillotine and

1543
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 4: end the fight early. He is not going to catch

1544
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 4: Anthony Smith, a black belt in Brasil of jiu jitsu

1545
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 4: and a modified guillotine off a sloppy takedown. So I

1546
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 4: hope that Anthony Smith is back. I think Anthony Smith

1547
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 4: he's got fifty one fights. With that being said, there's

1548
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 4: there's some damage that goes along with that, and it's

1549
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 4: is he going to be back to his former self?

1550
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 7: John you mentioned on the area of that home invasion before.

1551
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 7: I think that that affected him mentally.

1552
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 4: He's recently dropped down to fight lower level competition and

1553
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 4: has looked great in fighting lower level competition. For Ryan Span, though,

1554
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 4: this is a game too big of a jump as

1555
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 4: far as a technical fighter, I think Ryan Smith Span

1556
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 4: is going to be is going to be outclassed by

1557
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 4: Anthony Smith and as far as the technique goes. So

1558
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 4: with that being said, I think Anthony Smith is going

1559
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 4: to just basically let Ryan Span wear himself out. He's

1560
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 4: going to weather the storm. I think Anthony Smith wins

1561
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 4: this one via submission and round three.

1562
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 8: All right, Anthony Smith, round three submission for Casey Williams

1563
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 8: ken Flow. SPAN's huge man, There's no doubt about it.

1564
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 8: He is every bit six' five and a CREDENTIALED ufc light.

1565
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 8: Heavyweight but this is a test that he's obviously going

1566
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 8: to need to pass if if he's going to go

1567
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 8: on to. Contend what are your thoughts On Ryan span

1568
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 8: in the biggest fight of his career Against Anthony.

1569
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 5: Lionheartsmith span is a very dangerous.

1570
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 9: GUY i think that there's some aspects of his striking

1571
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 9: game THAT i think actually are better Than Anthony. Smith

1572
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 9: in my, OPINION i Think Anthony smith overall is a

1573
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 9: mixed martial arts, fighter is a more technical.

1574
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 3: Fighter BUT i do Think.

1575
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 9: Span has certain advantages Over smith in this fight on the.

1576
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 9: FEET i just don't think it should last very long.

1577
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 9: There in my, opinion If I'm Anthony, Smith i'm looking

1578
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 9: to try to take that fight to the ground as

1579
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 9: quickly as. Possible that's going to be the easiest path to.

1580
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 9: VICTORY i think that they'll have some interesting. EXCHANGES i

1581
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 9: was happy to See Anthony smith integrate a much better

1582
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 9: job in his last fight that looked much sharper to.

1583
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 9: ME i think that's kind of what he needs to

1584
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 9: utilize here Against, Spam but he's got to use it

1585
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 9: to ultimately get to that clinch. Position look for a

1586
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 9: takedown where he can either get a submission or A.

1587
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 9: TKL i see it ending In Anthony smith BY tko all.

1588
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 8: RIGHT a couple of guys pretty convicted on the Favorite

1589
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 8: Anthony smith minus one sixty.

1590
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 5: Five all.

1591
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 8: Right if you want more From Casey, williams you can

1592
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 8: find him on social media At casey keenan. MMA i

1593
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 8: mean the guy shows up on, time looks the, part

1594
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 8: sounds the. Part appreciate your. Contribution my brother will definitely

1595
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 8: have you on before the year is.

1596
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 3: Out thank you very.

1597
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 4: Much it's been an honor to be on the. Air

1598
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 4: i've listened to your podcast since episode. One, yes And

1599
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 4: Ken Flow i've been. ALONG i actually found the episode

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01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 4: off Of Ken Flow's. TWITTER i can't remember how long

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 4: did it, start like twenty? Fifteen, yeah, YEAH i remember twenty.

1602
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 4: FIFTEEN i was that's Awesome Kenny floyan On. Twitter he,

1603
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 4: said a new podcast coming. UP i was working a

1604
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Speaker 4: JOB i hated at a long, commute AND i was,

1605
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 4: Like i'm going to listen to this. Podcast And i've

1606
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 4: been listening to every episode ever.

1607
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 3: Since hell, yeah thank, You. Casey that's, awesome an honor to.

1608
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 4: Be on air with you, guys and it's really compuls

1609
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 4: FOR i never thought i'd be on the air after

1610
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 4: listening to episode, one.

1611
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: So it's truly an. Honor so thank.

1612
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 5: You when we have you, back you can start to

1613
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 5: softly just be a dick To Ken.

1614
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 6: Flow you.

1615
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 4: KNOW i hope to be as close with him As

1616
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 4: Ian parker as one day that's my goal to be

1617
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 4: A dfs just Like Ian parker And Ken.

1618
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 7: Flow or maybe he can get me a job at THE.

1619
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 7: PFL i don't.

1620
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 5: Know, well good, Start, Hey, casey.

1621
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 3: Thanks you very.

1622
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:20,560
Speaker 7: MUCH i appreciate, you.

1623
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 8: GUYS i really appreciate the support there From Casey williams

1624
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 8: over the last several. Months all, RIGHT i just want

1625
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 8: to say before we, go you, know to THE mma, community, fans, fighters,

1626
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 8: everyone thank you all for the love and support over

1627
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 8: the last. Week you, know it's really been, hard and

1628
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 8: even though it's been hard to open my phone at,

1629
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 8: times to the text messages and all the amazing posts On,

1630
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 8: instagram you, know it has helped me navigate a situation

1631
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 8: that has been as hard personally for me to navigate

1632
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 8: as anything in my life to this point in. Time

1633
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 8: AND i also want to say to MY ufc Colleague Heidi,

1634
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 8: dean who listens to every minute of every podcast we.

1635
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 8: Do you know she has been at the forefront of

1636
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Speaker 8: our aid effort essentially in Helping. SUSIE i, mean there's

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Speaker 8: been a lot of People, Ariani celestia And megan o'leveon

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Speaker 8: and on it, goes, right But heidi has been there

1639
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Speaker 8: every step of the, way And. CHELSEA i don't want

1640
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Speaker 8: to leave anybody, out BUT i just want to Acknowledge

1641
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 8: heidi knowing that she's going to listen to this, podcast

1642
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Speaker 8: because it's been all hands on deck for The susie

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Speaker 8: squad over the last several, weeks AND i just wanted

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Speaker 8: to acknowledge those. People and we will follow up with

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Speaker 5: Attend thank you to our Guest Ray Long Go Casey.

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