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Speaker 2: How was that? Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman,

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Speaker 2: they're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission

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Speaker 2: to find the greatest game of all time. And on

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Speaker 2: today's episode, boy do we have a crazy one. We

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Speaker 2: are covering Miracle on Ice with the nineteen eighty national

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Speaker 2: off to talk in one of the greatest upsets in sports.

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Speaker 1: History, we executed the game plan flawlessly.

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Speaker 2: And then we also get into what the movie got right.

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Speaker 3: Wait, so the movie speech is actually fairly.

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Speaker 1: Close, very close.

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Speaker 2: Yes, again, what Herb Brooks is really like?

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Speaker 1: If they don't like me, maybe they'll like each other.

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Speaker 2: When Belichick wasn't there We're like this guy.

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Speaker 1: Put money in the bank, and we relive.

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Speaker 2: Some of the most iconic announcer calls in sports history.

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Speaker 2: Those are fun and we do an impression of them.

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Speaker 4: The great band on the field. We gotta stick around,

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Speaker 4: You gotta stick around, a wild one. Let's go, Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio, February twenty second,

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty Olympic Center, Lake Placid, New York.

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Speaker 1: If we play the Russians ten times, they might beat

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Speaker 1: us nine, but not this time.

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Speaker 2: Not tonight, boys, Tonight, we are the greatest hockey team

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, it was fun.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names today. We are looking at

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Speaker 2: Craig now Jim the goalie. In one sentence, why is

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Speaker 2: this game so important to you?

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Speaker 1: It's about believing in your dreams in the American way,

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Speaker 1: make it come true and represent something much bigger than yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is this the greatest game of all time.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I always tell people, either you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Now, now how often do you get asked about

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Speaker 1: Well? It makes people happy, you know, and you're a

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Speaker 3: It's a great day for hockey.

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Speaker 1: to make it to the National Hockey League. You know.

433
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: When Herb asked me to play in the World Championships

434
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: in Lenagrad, Moscow, I couldn't If somebody showed me in

435
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: the lineup, I wouldn't even know what he looked like,

436
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It was just you just played.

437
00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: So to me, he always had my interest in heart

438
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: and working hard was just part of the deal.

439
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what about the boys, Like when you guys

440
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: are in the locker room and coach ain't there, Like

441
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: when Belichick wasn't there, were like, fuck this guy, this

442
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: guy's making us run the goddamn hill. It's week eighteen.

443
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: We got no knees. What's going on here?

444
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Put money in the bank.

445
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: When did that camaraderie with the guys come together?

446
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: Strategy? It was his strategy. If they don't like me,

447
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: maybe they'll like.

448
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: Each other because you guys are all from different places. Yeah,

449
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: we were going to get into that.

450
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, and and yeah, so you had a lot

451
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: of guys who had them for four years. You know,

452
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: basically it was Minnesota and four guys from BU.

453
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: And then wasn't there Minnesota BU? And wasn't there the

454
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: Wisconsin boys?

455
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of basically you know for guys in

456
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Speaker 1: East Minnesota.

457
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: BU when you're in Easton, was that like a big thing?

458
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 2: Like is that your dream when you were a kid

459
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: to play a BU?

460
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear the whole story? Let's here

461
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: and it's kind of interesting.

462
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

463
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: So I'm Irish Catholic altar boy. Yeah, I live just

464
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: south of the city of Boston. So Boston College is

465
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: like a big deal BC. Yeah, that's where the Irish

466
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: guys go, right, And so I remember the priest one day,

467
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Father Buckley said to me, Hey, Jimmy, I know you

468
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: really want to get a full scholarship to play hockey.

469
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: I help out if I bring in to meet the

470
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: head coach of Boston College. Yeah, so, I said, great.

471
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: Now the problem is, I'm a senior in high school.

472
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm five foot three, I weigh one hundred and thirty pounds.

473
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

474
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: So I get to meet coach Selaski and I look

475
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: in there and he looks at me like, how the

476
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: hell did this guy get in here? Right? This is

477
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: a big time pro. He's five foot three. He plays

478
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: for this place out in Easton called Olivar Aimes. You know,

479
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: we don't take anybody here unless they're at a private

480
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: prep school or they're play you know Triple A in Canada. Right. Yeah,

481
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: So I met him and I said, you know, coach,

482
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: I'd really like to be part of your program. And

483
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: he said, Jimmy, you're a fine young man, but I

484
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: think he should stick close to home. So that's when

485
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: I went back home. I mean, being one of eight,

486
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: we had no money, and so I took my pissed

487
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 1: you off, well, I took my goalie mask over, and

488
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, the realization and reflection, And I really think

489
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: reflection is a really big part of growth, right, you

490
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: have to really reflect of where you are and are

491
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: you willing to do the work?

492
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: Are you willing to do the work?

493
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: Are you willing to do the work? And there's no guarantees.

494
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: So I brought my goalie mask into this place where

495
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: a guy named Ernie Higgins made all the professional goalie

496
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: mask and I was in there, and also Ernie's son

497
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: comes in Neil and says, Jimmy, where are you going

498
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: to school? And I said, you know, Neil, I don't know.

499
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: He goes, well, I just got my first coaching job.

500
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: So Neil was an All American goalie out of Boston College. Yeah,

501
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: he just playing in the pros in his first coaching job, right,

502
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: And he says, hey, I'd love to have you come

503
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: join me. I said, where's that? He said, Massive Siltate

504
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: Community College. It's in Brockton. I said, it's not even

505
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: safe there they practiced like at five o'clock in the morning.

506
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you have enough jerseys for everybody, right,

507
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: And he looks at me and he says, listen, if

508
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: you don't think this is the best opportunity of your life,

509
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: and he wants you to come. So I went home

510
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: and I reflected, I said, well, where am I going

511
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: to go? Right? And then I changed my mindset, which

512
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: is something that was really valuable and it really helped me.

513
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: And I said, I'm going to have an All American

514
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: goalie who just finished the pros coaching mention me he

515
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: will never be down at this level ever. Again, this

516
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: is an incredible opportunity. Yeah, So I went there with

517
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: a different mindset. All of a sudden, I grew seven inches.

518
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: We wanted now Junior College championship. And at that last

519
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: game before the game started, Neil come up to me.

520
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: He says, well, Jimmy, the news and bad news. I go,

521
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: what's the good news? He goes, there's two scouts in

522
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: the stands. One's from Providence College and one's from Boston University.

523
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, if you play well, you

524
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: got a chance. So I had like the game of

525
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: my life. I think there was five people in the stands.

526
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 1: Three of them were my family members, two of them

527
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: were Scouts. And that's when Jack Parker offered me a

528
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: full scholarship to Boston University. But joels it doesn't get

529
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: easier because he offered it. But the problem was he

530
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: had already given it away. And this kid, Mark Holden,

531
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: from the area, had a choice to go to Brown

532
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: or to go to be you. If he went to Brown,

533
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: I would go to be you. And so when Jack

534
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: said that to me, I said, I don't care if

535
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: he comes, and he started leaving. He goes no, Jimmy,

536
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: That's how it works. And the innocent part about that was,

537
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: what do I care my dreams. I want to play

538
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: in the Olympics. I want to be a pro. I

539
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: got to be better than everybody. It doesn't matter. And

540
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: if I compete, I compete. You can't decide you're not

541
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: going to compete. And so Holden decided to go to Brown.

542
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: And he didn't do it because it was an IVY

543
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: League school. He did it because BU had an All

544
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: American goalie. It was only a sophomore, and so he

545
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: figured he'd played quicker and so that was an opportunity,

546
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: and so in life you have to make the best

547
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: of the opportunities. So I remember going into bu I'd

548
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: never been in this city, I had never seen the trolley.

549
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: My poor mother brings me in. I'm scared shitless. Right.

550
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: I get there the first day and I meet one

551
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: of my teammates. His name is John Bethel. He's from

552
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Point Claire. Quoteback at some place right. And John goes, Hey, Jimmy,

553
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. He goes, welcome to the team.

554
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: I said, thanks, John. He goes, say where did you

555
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: go to school? I said, Massasoya. He goes, Is that

556
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: a private prep school in Connecticut? And I I said no.

557
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: He goes, is it a junior a team in Canada?

558
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I said nope, it's a community college. And the point was,

559
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: you don't go to Boston University out of Massasoi community College.

560
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen. But the point was, and I

561
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: think you can relate to this is I tell people

562
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: when I speak to him, is every year you have

563
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: to make your team and earn your position. And if

564
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: you have that mentality and you don't use hope, because

565
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: I tell people, hope is not a strategy, right, preparation

566
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: is a strategy, you know, being a little smart, a

567
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: little better than you were the day before. So all

568
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the All American goalie from Bu Lois

569
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: is his first game, second game, third game. Before you know,

570
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: they put me in and I just never looked back.

571
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: But timing is a big opportunity, having someone believing you

572
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: but putting the work in. I think, is it really?

573
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 2: That's everything? I mean. I'm a Juco guy, I went

574
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: I went to Juco for a year and then went

575
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: to Kent State, and I relate to that, Uh, your

576
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: mentality when that scout came in or when who was it?

577
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Uh the All American? What was his name? That the

578
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: coach that.

579
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Your junior Juco Neil Higgins?

580
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Is that when you first found out about your underdog

581
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: versus the winning underdog, because you said.

582
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: It was really funny. Is you have a choice when

583
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: you have these dreams? Right? So, as a young boy

584
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: had three dreams really simple. I wanted to get a

585
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: full scholarship go to college because I wasn't going to

586
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: college I was. I wanted to play the Olympics and

587
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: represent our country. And I wanted to play in the

588
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: National Hogur League. And you know there's a saying I use.

589
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough, right,

590
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: And so they're not big.

591
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: Enough sayings in this baby real tag them up Baby.

592
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: But the real meaning is is I don't look at

593
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: personal sacrifices something I did. I look at it as

594
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: an opportunity that somebody gave me. So when my mother

595
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: had to convince my father to put me into hockey,

596
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: and I'm wanna bate and spend that money, I didn't

597
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: have any personal sacrifice. She did and my father did.

598
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: And the people there when I look at community and

599
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: all those people who gave me rides and I went there,

600
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't even know you needed equipment, And people never made

601
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: you feel embarrassed. All of a sudden, they gave you

602
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: some skates and they brought you this, and they brought

603
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: you there and then. So what happens to me is

604
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: one of the tools that I try to use is

605
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have the courage to let people down, people

606
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: who believed in me. You know, I felt that I

607
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: used that as a tool. So when someone says to

608
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: you you can't what are you do? Just say, well,

609
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Jules said, I can't do it. I guess I can't

610
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: do it. I'll say, well him right, I will do it,

611
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: and how are you going to do it? And that's

612
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: why failure isn't fatal, but being afraid to is.

613
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

614
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: And when you all of a sudden reach a level

615
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: in the sport where you're not as good as people

616
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: think you are, that's pressure.

617
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: Man, that's pressure.

618
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: That's pressure because you can't be a winning underdog anymore.

619
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: You can't. You know. It's like that favorite poem, The

620
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: Man in the Mirror. I don't know if you've ever

621
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: read that one, but the net net is you can

622
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: fool everybody else in the whole world, but when you

623
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: look at yourself in the mirror, you can't full yourself right.

624
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: And so you know when you're done.

625
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: That's when I felt it.

626
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: You just know when you're done right, when.

627
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: You're athletic performing. I mean that brings me back to

628
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: when you throw in the film and you don't recognize

629
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: that guy, And like you said, that's the real pressure,

630
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: because you've already set a standard of what you've performed

631
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: for them.

632
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: Then you have to really what I call when I

633
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: wrote my first business book, there's a thing called managing

634
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: ego and conflict. Right, your ego is what gut you there,

635
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: but you have to be able to manage that, right,

636
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: And so when you get to that point is what

637
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: are you doing it for? Ye Are you doing it

638
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: for the adulation or you're doing it because you're the

639
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: best professional at that position?

640
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: Right As an athlete that when you play professionally, you're

641
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: gonna feel pressure no matter where you are in your career.

642
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: When you're young guy trying to make a team, trying

643
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: to make the team, trying to earn a roll, trying

644
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: to earn roll your superstar, you're trying to stay that

645
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: you did that. But you know when you said, when

646
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: people say you can play and you eventually can't, that's

647
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: when you start feeling the pressure. In a paraphrase, I

648
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 2: remember that.

649
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: It just jumps right out at you. It's not even

650
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: it's an aha moment.

651
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: No, it's just one of those. But that's one of

652
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: the like, like you said, because your ego over the years,

653
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: that's like the biggest thing you have to swallow is

654
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: when you can't go out well.

655
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: When you can't use it as a tool, and it

656
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: becomes really more you know, like I don't know, I

657
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, I had back surgery and I used to

658
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: play golf really well, and that was how to play.

659
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: And it said, Jesus Christ, I'm not as good as

660
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: I used to be because I'm not as young as

661
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: I used to be. I'm not you know, you know

662
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: you are what you are day right, And you know

663
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: it's do you want to put the work in?

664
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

665
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: You know you got to reinvent yourself? Right?

666
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, But even that point in my career, I was

667
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: putting in so much work. I was. You know, the

668
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: older you get, you got to work harder and harder

669
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: and harder, because, like you said, you got to continue

670
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: evolve and reinvent yourself every year. And when you can't

671
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: and you plateau, that means you're done well.

672
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: I think. I think what's interesting with a Belichick and

673
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: a Brooks is they knew if that was a fuel

674
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: that was going to help you or hurt you, and

675
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: knew how to play that card on you.

676
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: Oh, he played it on me all the contract negotiations,

677
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: team friendly deal. I'm the worst guy now, Herb. What's

678
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: the difference between Herb and your college coach Parker?

679
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: Parker was an incredible competitor, and he knew how to

680
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: do things a certain way, and I'm sure he evolved

681
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: over time. But Brooks, Brooks created the future. You know,

682
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: he he saw things before they.

683
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: Happened, you know, real deal.

684
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: He is so organized. Brooks was so organized timing. And

685
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, what we did was not a miracle. It

686
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: was hard work. But the reason why we won was

687
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: because we executed the game plan flawlessly. And that that

688
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: means certain people have to step up a certain timing.

689
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a guy who just a recent

690
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 1: teammate recently passed away, Mark Wells. He was on the team,

691
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: not on the team. They brought him back, but her

692
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: brought him back to play against one player and he

693
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Mark was incredible at that game, at that one player,

694
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the vision that he had, you know,

695
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: when Callahan got hurt, and he was half the guy

696
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: he could be. He was such an important ingredient in

697
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: the locker room that he had to be there.

698
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: He can't mess the function of the team up.

699
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Well, but you wanted to. But when you go there,

700
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: here you have Herb who could really make the general

701
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: manager really happy by getting one of his kids friends

702
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: in and doing politically correct thing. But that Herb didn't

703
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: care about that.

704
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: There's no popularity in leadership right now.

705
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: There's no loyalty in leadership. People look at loyalty as

706
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: though people aren't being loyal. I would challenge that. You know,

707
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: your old coach Belichick was incredibly loyal to you, do

708
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: anything for you, But it never felt like.

709
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, because you knew the winning was the number

710
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: one loyalty.

711
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Well, it's his job.

712
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: This is his job. That's his job. Can you tell

713
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: us the story of the shamrocks on your mask? Irish Catholic?

714
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: Is it just that it was good luck charm? The

715
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: shamrocks was my good luck charm. And so Jerry Cheevers

716
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: from the Bruins, he used to take stitches and put

717
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: him on his mask. And I said, well, I got

718
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: to come up with something. So it was the shamrocks.

719
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: That's a swag right there, that's the ego swag. Baby.

720
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day. There was no painting of

721
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: the mask back then. But you know, sometimes you have

722
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: to give yourself something to be a winning underdog, right

723
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: and so remember when I told you that BC coach said,

724
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: you know you're a fine young man. You sit close

725
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: to home. Well. Boston University in the three years I

726
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: was there, played BC like fourteen times. We do, I

727
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: personally played it fourteen times. And after every game, there's

728
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: a tradition in hockey that you go and you shake

729
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: the other team's hands, and so coach Sedglaski was still

730
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: there when I was there, and so I remember after

731
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: every win, I'd go shake his hand and say, thank God,

732
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't good enough to go to your school. And

733
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: one of them was a national title. Would beat BC

734
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: in the national title?

735
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, got it.

736
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: So it's it's that type of thing it is, you know,

737
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: who is it that's gonna help you when you don't

738
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: feel like doing the work, you know. I remember when

739
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: Bob Wolf was my agent, he'd have this couple. I

740
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: forget what the pitcher's name was, but he had have

741
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: in his glove. These sons of bitches are taking money

742
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: out of my kid's mouth, and it look at it

743
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: gets so angry and it's roll the ball harder, you

744
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So there's always a little something

745
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: that it has to get you, you know, going right.

746
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: I used to put lily pads on my cleat for

747
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: my daughter. Her name's Lily. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta

748
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 2: have something.

749
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: We'll look down and say, what's the purpose?

750
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: Right, what's the purpose?

751
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: What's the purpose?

752
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break. Let's go

753
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: back to around February twenty second, nineteen eighty and we

754
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: like to go over pop culture. What was going around

755
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: in the world. Number one movie Cruising? Which one is that?

756
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: You guys? Al Pacina?

757
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: You see that?

758
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: Jim No, No, we're probably locked in ready for the

759
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: Soviets number one song, crazy little thing called Love by Queen?

760
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: No that one? You queen fan.

761
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of all good music.

762
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, me too, me too. Studio fifty

763
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: four had its closing party. Do you guys get to

764
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: hit that?

765
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: After we've been there?

766
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: You've been there? Oh how is Studio fifty four?

767
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: It's not a diddy party?

768
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: So that was a fun time. Yeah, different, Well what

769
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: was different about it?

770
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: It was just probably like any place that goes on,

771
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: it was the thing to go, the thing to do.

772
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, did you guys who was the who was

773
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: the going out boys on the team.

774
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: I'd rather keep that.

775
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: We'll keep that. Billy Joel's fifty second Street wins a

776
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: Grammy for album in the year I Love Billy Your

777
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: good music. What was your life like around this time

778
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty What was going on around this time?

779
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: Do you have a girlfriend? Wife? Just everything was about hockey.

780
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: You know, you're so entrenched in trying to create something,

781
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: be something that you know, You're very structured back then,

782
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: you know you have you know, the Olympics, but once

783
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: Olympics star was just crazy. You know, try to figure

784
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: out who you are and what you're doing. That's that

785
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: was a little more crazy time.

786
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: In the sports world in nineteen eighty Super Bowl Champions,

787
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight, nineteen eighty Steelers Earl Campbell was the MVP.

788
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: That guy was a load. Stanley Cup winners. Was the

789
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: New York Islanders? Did they go three in a row?

790
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: In this one? Four in a row? Holy shit? Heart

791
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: Memorial Trophy, Wayne Gretzki A great one. You have any

792
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: Gretzky stories, you know Gretzky All.

793
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: No, Wayne, I remember it by my second game in

794
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: the NHL and playing with the Atlanta Flames and I've

795
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: never even been to the rink and they get there

796
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: and they have the Canadian nationally athm going on, and

797
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know the flag is. I don't know

798
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: what ends my end. You know, it's the first time

799
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: I've been in the building. I'm playing, and so I

800
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: remember Wayne afterwards it was pissed at me because, you know,

801
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I didn't look at the Canadian you know flag, and

802
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: I said, Wayne, I didn't even know where it was.

803
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. The sport was a Canadian sport.

804
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: Our wind was not very well received. It wasn't entertaining

805
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: yet because there wasn't enough money to be entertainment. You

806
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: couldn't talk to your teammates, you know. It was. It

807
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: was really really different, and so it's so nice to

808
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: see the game change and and you know, basically now

809
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: all sports are entertainment.

810
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: Did Gretzky score on you.

811
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure he has. I don't know how many times,

812
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: but I'm sure he has.

813
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 2: Is he like the most electrifying guy that you played against?

814
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: Or who was some that you were like, it's gonna

815
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: be a fucking long night.

816
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: You know? There was a guy that nobody really knew.

817
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: His name, kent to Nielsen. He played for the Flames.

818
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: He's a swite. He was just an incredible player. He

819
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: could do anything that he really wanted to do. You know,

820
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: Bossy was a great player. Gila Fleur was a great player.

821
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, he had so many different players. The game

822
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: was a really wide open game there. When Wayne played,

823
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: he was very well protected, you know, so that really

824
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: helped our guy Mark Johnson was a great player. But

825
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: people got their names in the paper by beating people

826
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: up from our team, you know what I mean. And

827
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: so there was no safe things, and you know, it's

828
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: a big transition. All of us had gone to college

829
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: with college degrees. You know. The NHL wasn't used to that,

830
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, so it was a big transitional time.

831
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: How's the game then changed? From the game now.

832
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: Clutching and grabbing and you know, just you know, the

833
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: physicality that was done.

834
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: It was different the equipment the past.

835
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, the equipment was so bad. You see goalies now

836
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: let it hit you. Didn't let it hit you. It hurt,

837
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now they play to have

838
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: it hit them, you know what I mean. So much

839
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: of the game for a goalie was angles, you know,

840
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: so they would miss them that. I remember when I

841
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: first started. Our coach was Jerry Chievus and he said, hey, Jimmy,

842
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: if that shot is coming high and it's at your

843
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: shoulder and you're up by a couple to get your

844
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: shoulder out of the way. You get hurt. Who cares if

845
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: you win five to three or five to four. Don't

846
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: hurt yourself on that. Jesus, it was crazy.

847
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: So you used to take that has to hurt all.

848
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: It was like a pad, a felt pad.

849
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: You could just darted up after a game. Oh my god,

850
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, those things that thing flies.

851
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. The pads that we had were made idea hide that.

852
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: You know, we're thirty pounds. The ones they have now

853
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: don't weigh five. No, they collapsed so they cover areas.

854
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, it took us a year to break them in.

855
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: You know you have your teeth? Yeah, did you wear mouthguard?

856
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: How come every hockey guy know that he doesn't have teeth?

857
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: Well, because they were a goalie.

858
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: The goalie has the mask. Yeah, I'm fucking What was

859
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: it like to see Kenmorrow go off and win for

860
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Stanley Cups.

861
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: Kenny Morrow is probably my closest friend and the best

862
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: guy in the world. He's he he is a guy

863
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: that is so humble, it's it's perfect. Yeah and then yeah,

864
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: so proud of him.

865
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 2: You know, how come you guys were so close.

866
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: We just hit it off, you know what I mean,

867
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: just started when we played over in the World Championships

868
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: in Moscow, and he's quiet, you know, really just goes

869
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: and gets his job done, kind of really good guy.

870
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: Before we move on, I read that there was a

871
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 3: no beard, no facial hair rule.

872
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: So you know, you always talk about Brooks and maybe

873
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: how he's a little different, and so Herb had this

874
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: saying that said, you know, no beard's on the team

875
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: except Kenny Morrill, who had one before he got here,

876
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the reason being is

877
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Kenny Morrow's beard wasn't just to grow a beard, it

878
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: was who he was. And so Herb had to figure

879
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: out that if you made Kenny Morrell shave his beard,

880
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: that was that was that was going to do something

881
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: to him other than letting somebody grow a beard. Right.

882
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jackie, let's break down this so be the way.

883
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: They help you out here. This is all this, all

884
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: this work behind this scenes, jeezu, this is awesome.

885
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: This is a team baby.

886
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: Well listen, you're only as good as your team.

887
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: Only as good as your team, That's right. The a

888
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: team over here did we get into the Soviets real quick,

889
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: Let's set the stage for the Soviets.

890
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 4: These guys were the most dominant guys in hockey at

891
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 4: the time, won four straight gold medal sixty four, sixty eight,

892
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: seventy two, seventy six. They won all the three World

893
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 4: Championships since nineteen sixty three. They won all twelve matchups

894
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: with the US up until this point, led by goalie Triciak,

895
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: who was said to be the best goalie in the world.

896
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 4: Other notable guys Boris Makaylo of the captain. These guys were,

897
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: I mean, these guys were forced to be reckon with

898
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: the e Olympire at the time.

899
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: Jills. What a lot of people don't know now is

900
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: when City Olympics and you play the Soviet Union, right,

901
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: you're playing just the Soviet Union. When the Soviet Union

902
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: Red Army team was put together at Donado, it was

903
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: the best Communist players in the world that they took

904
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: from every country. So you had people from Lafia, you

905
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: had people all over the place. So now they get

906
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: to represent their own countries and compete against them, but

907
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: they took the very best in all Communist countries. Jesus

908
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: and made them part of this Red Army team.

909
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: So what's your perception of this specific team when you

910
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: guys sign or when you're going through your d your

911
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: your hell week, all your prep. This is a team

912
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 2: that everyone's got to be. What are the guys thinking

913
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: about this squad?

914
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: In any sport, you're trying to be a professional at

915
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: you're maya people that are really good, right, and then

916
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: you emulate And you know, for me, you know, trying

917
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: to emulate someone wasn't just one player because his skills

918
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. You had to emulate people had all

919
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: these different skills and try to make them part of

920
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 1: your own, right. And so all of us are trying

921
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: to make it to the national honking. That's a goal

922
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: and these are stepping stones along the way. And so

923
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: like people will always ask us, you know, why did

924
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: you play the Russians in Madison Square Garden two days

925
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: before the Olympic Games. Well, the reason is either you're

926
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: preparing to win and compete, right. Our coach had never played,

927
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: never coached against them, so he had a coach against them.

928
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: We had never played against them, so we had to

929
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: play against them. And so as badly as we got

930
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: beat there were things that we learned, some things that

931
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: we could adjust to. So for me, right playing the

932
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: Russian team for one period of playing against the Russian

933
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: was like playing a whole game against someone else. So

934
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: I changed my strategy. I broke it in the three

935
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: games of four to five minute periods, and after every

936
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: period it took all my equipment off, put it back

937
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: on and refocus, and then I started to really kind

938
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: of get lays of focus on parts of the game

939
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: that I thought were really important first five minutes of

940
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: a period. As a goal you don't want to give

941
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: up a goal. You don't want to give up a

942
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: goal after your team scores a goal, and you certainly

943
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: don't want to give up a goal in the last

944
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: minute to take momentum away. So what I did is

945
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: I broke this game into three separate games of four

946
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: or five minute periods and had times the things to

947
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: focus at. And then my goal was don't give up

948
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: any goals in the third period. And you know, as

949
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: a goal you can't win a game, but you can

950
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: lose one. And I think how consistent a goalie plays,

951
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: not how many saves he makes, but how consistent your

952
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: team can rally around and get used to. You can't

953
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: get used to a guy that's a quarterback that's going

954
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: to go incredible. But then the next game throw five interceptions,

955
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: and so you have to know what you have. And

956
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: so I really believe that what happened was we broke

957
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: it down for you know, if you look at a

958
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: game and say, oh my god, I got to play

959
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: sixty minutes, it's like, oh, that's hard. But if you say, hey,

960
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: I got these little separate things and you can play

961
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: through those, I think it's important. Well look at you

962
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: when you guys came back from Atlanta game in the

963
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: second half. That's exactly what you did. Yeah, broke it

964
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: down into segments on I can't give up a one.

965
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: I got to score one. We're going to make this. Yeah,

966
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: we got time left, you know, And so you became

967
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: raised and focused.

968
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you focused on one play at a time, because

969
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: you know, one big play is not going to get

970
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: you twenty four points. If we all collectively focus on

971
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: our job every single play, we're gonna give ourselves the

972
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 2: best possibility to win. You know. So did you admire

973
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: any of these these all players, all of them specifically?

974
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: Who was one?

975
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: Was it the Chechiak. You just set the whole different standard.

976
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, the way he worked, what he did, how

977
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: he did.

978
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: Things, why what what what made him different? How did

979
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: he work?

980
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: He kept on reinventing the position. You know, we used

981
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: to do a two legged pad stack save, and he

982
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: figured out how to go over and do it with

983
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: one leg and get up, you know. And the other

984
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: thing that I don't think gets a lot of credit for.

985
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: When he was a young goalie and his team wasn't

986
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: all that great, he won the games. But when he

987
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: got older and the team was really good, he had

988
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: to keep him in games until they felt like playing.

989
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: And and that is really hard. You know, when when

990
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: you look at goalies, you say, oh, man, he made

991
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: their twenty five saves and the other guy only had

992
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: twelve shots on him. That has nothing to do with it.

993
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean to me, the way they evaluate goalies is obsolete.

994
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: You know, a shot on goal I did the stat

995
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: when I was younger. I say, you know, when you

996
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: have a really good high school team and they shoot

997
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: one hundred shots on a goalie in a practice, they

998
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: might only hit the net thirty times. When you have

999
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: a great college team and they take one hundred shots

1000
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: on a goalie and a practice, they'll hit it maybe

1001
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: eighty times. When you play in the pros and they

1002
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: have one hundred shots, they hit it one hundred times.

1003
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: So when you have a goalie and he's out there

1004
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: and they're missing the net, it's because it's perfect positioning,

1005
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: or they're passing the puck instead of shooting it when

1006
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: they should because they don't want to shoot, and those

1007
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: stats don't come up. And that's something that try to act.

1008
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: I watched it and I noticed you know what I mean.

1009
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the hitting yard. It's like the Vince Wilfork

1010
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: of hockey. This guy takes up a double team. He's

1011
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: taking up six hundred pounds every play so his linebackers

1012
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: can get free and make a tackle. But we don't

1013
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: get a stat for that. It's kind of like a goalie. Now,

1014
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: take us to the Olympic village and when you guys

1015
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: are there, are you are you guys packed up with

1016
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: your USA jackets on? And like you guys go to

1017
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: the local fountain and you see, like is there like

1018
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: the Russian hockey team over there, and you guys are

1019
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: like looking at each other, or did you guys ever

1020
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: cross pass.

1021
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: Our Olympic village turned into a prism. There was nothing

1022
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: there any good. We lived in trailers, so our trailer

1023
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: was myself, ARIZIONI, Billy Baker, and Phil for Koda. We

1024
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: started the Olympics before the opening ceremonies and we played

1025
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: every other day. There was absolutely no time for anything.

1026
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: The only thing we went and saw was hiding. He

1027
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: was just so great and up like that, So no,

1028
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: there was no time.

1029
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: What about the Centipede video game? I heard you had

1030
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: a little time for that.

1031
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: I love that, and you know it's really funny, and

1032
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: maybe this has happened in your career. Right, You've got

1033
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: some teammates who don't like it if you like other

1034
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: players on other team because they're on the other team, right,

1035
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: And to me, I just admired talent, right, And I

1036
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: didn't care who they played for, because when it was

1037
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: time to play, it was time to beat them. It

1038
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: didn't matter who it was, and whether it was my brother,

1039
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. You know, when you compete, it's time

1040
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: to compete, right, So we had I forget how to

1041
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: pronounce his name, but we're playing Centipede. He wants to

1042
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: turn and I say okay, you have a turn, and

1043
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: we kind of said, well, okay, i'll see you tomorrow.

1044
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: And I had won the game, and so I said,

1045
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to do the same thing tomorrow

1046
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: or something like that to him.

1047
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: For who was that one of the Soviets.

1048
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was one of their best youngest player. To

1049
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: forget what his name is, hey, Crewton to Anton to

1050
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: cut your leg off?

1051
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: Macaroth, Macaroth future Hall of Famer.

1052
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was just a great player.

1053
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: Did being a hockey player trump being from different countries

1054
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 2: or did you guys like when you're in the Olympic village,

1055
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: you guys are you know usay this? But if you

1056
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: saw a hockey guy, you're like, oh, it's a hockey

1057
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: it's one of our bros.

1058
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: We didn't really really see anything.

1059
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: You didn't see anything. Now, you always hear the crazy

1060
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: stories about Olympic the.

1061
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: Ones who have one game and stayed there for two weeks.

1062
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: I guess I have a little bit more time, you know,

1063
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: and they don't have herb Brooks as a coach.

1064
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: Now, did you develop any relationships with these guys after

1065
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 2: this game?

1066
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: Great story? So I'm coaching our kids in Rainham Mass

1067
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: and I walk in and the guy who's running what

1068
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: year is this? I leould say get married in eighty six?

1069
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: It was probably early.

1070
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Nineties, early nineties.

1071
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: And so the guy who runs the snack bars a

1072
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: rush and his name is Vladimir. So he was great.

1073
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: So I go in and Lahim said, hey, Jimmy, how

1074
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: you doing this? Said good Blad. He goes, hey, you

1075
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 1: don't have the only gold medalist in here today. I said, whoa,

1076
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: that's great? Who else? And so he introduced me to

1077
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: Vladimir Luchenko, who's a five time I mean one of

1078
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: he's the bobby or of their defenceman over there. And

1079
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: so Vladdie and I became like incredible friends. We coached

1080
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: together for like over twelve years. I helped him get

1081
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: the head coaching job for Europe for the Rangers, and

1082
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: I learned so much about his life. Right, So I

1083
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: remember one day we're going to walk our dogs, right,

1084
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: and so I meet him over his house, right, So

1085
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: I have this wymeranner, right, and you know, Hudson was

1086
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: like a show dog. He won Westminster. I mean he's

1087
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: a stud of a hunting dog. Right, So Vladimir shows

1088
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: up he's a little Yorky, you know, and so I

1089
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, back then they kind of arranged marriages. So

1090
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: Vladimir's wife was a ballerina, and you know, the Russians

1091
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: thought was, well, you hitch up a you know, this

1092
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: big strong guy with a ballerina, You're going to produce

1093
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: a really great athlete, right. So I go to Vladdy, go, Laddie,

1094
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: you know you have any any kids. He goes, yes,

1095
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: what two daughters? I go, well, they must be a

1096
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: good looking you guys. No, So he had a heavy

1097
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: set daughter, you know what I mean. So anyway, we

1098
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: became incredible friends, and he told me a story one time.

1099
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: So I said, Vladimir, you know you you're one of

1100
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: the youngest guys in the Russian run army team. He goes, yeah.

1101
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: I said, did you did you ever get new equipment?

1102
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: He says yeah. I said, was it brand new? He'sas, oh, no,

1103
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: we never got a brand new equipment. I said, He

1104
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: goes and he says, one day I got so excited him.

1105
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: I get these new skates. I'm skating on the Baltic

1106
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: Sea and he's skating around. Also he starts falling in,

1107
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: falling in and He's a big man. He's like six three, right,

1108
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: big strong guy. I said, he goes, I'm swimming so funny.

1109
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: He said, gonna give up, I'm gonna drown. And he

1110
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: said he's in four feet of water.

1111
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: You hockey guys going on that thin ice man. I

1112
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: see that as a California kid, I see that ice.

1113
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: Im bout it's crazy.

1114
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he he was so great. We would play

1115
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: like men's league game. I'd be a defenceman with him.

1116
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: We play together every Christmas. We stay still stay in touch.

1117
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: Awesome.

1118
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know their way of life was being

1119
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: a hockey player was the best. But it wasn't easy.

1120
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely not. I mean, ship, you don't score

1121
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: a goal, you get your handschopped off. Let's jump into

1122
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: the team, USA, Jackie.

1123
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: Just a real quick fun. You had a dog when

1124
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 3: Westminster Dog Show?

1125
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1126
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,479
Speaker 3: Wow, can you tell us about that a little bit more?

1127
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: Well, Hudson, he's no longer with us, he has passed away.

1128
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: But he was the most bred Wimer aunder in the country.

1129
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: He had won and uber he won best of Breed

1130
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: and uh for wymer Anstminster.

1131
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a stud? Did you walk him out there?

1132
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: Oh? On I didn't do that little try I'd be

1133
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: afraid of falling down.

1134
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: That would have been incight to see. Yeah, Jackie set

1135
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: the stage for Team USA.

1136
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Team USA here as we know, led

1137
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 4: by Herb Brooks, Craig Patrick, the assistant there held tryouts

1138
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 4: famously seen in the movie Summer of nineteen seventy nine

1139
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 4: out in Colorado Springs. We talked a little bit earlier.

1140
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 4: Nine guys Minnesota b U four from BU nine for Minnesota.

1141
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: We had the East Coast first, the.

1142
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: Midwest rivalry going on there and the average age of

1143
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 4: these guys twenty one college kids as opposed to the

1144
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 4: Russians about twenty seven.

1145
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 2: And these were the comeback kids.

1146
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 4: Baby trailed in six of seven Olympic Games, wins, led

1147
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 4: by Mike Ruzioni as a captain, famous cone headline. We

1148
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 4: know about those guys, seventeen goals, twenty assists. That was Padlovich,

1149
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 4: Harrington and Schneider.

1150
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: We talked about it.

1151
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 4: We always had like the legends here, but I mean,

1152
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 4: all these guys are well, it's all legends getting more.

1153
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: Mark Johnson, Dave.

1154
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 4: Silk, Jack O'Callahan, Jim Craigan's the list goes on and on.

1155
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: Baby, So when you guys first go to tryouts, is

1156
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: it pretty clicked up Boston Boys with the Boston Boys,

1157
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: the fucking Midwest East or with the Midwest East?

1158
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

1159
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1160
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1161
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: When did it break?

1162
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I think that is a misknown work

1163
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: to most people about how her picked this team. Right.

1164
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: Everybody knows about the National Sports Festival now, right, and

1165
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: that's where they bring the best athletes from around the

1166
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: US and they get to showcase their talents for hopefully

1167
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: being sponsored to go to the Olympics. Right, Yeah, Well,

1168
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: Herb Brooks created that, and so what he did three

1169
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: years before the Olympics, he had a lot of these

1170
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: players played with four or five different teams like the

1171
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 1: mid Atlantic, the East, the Midwest, and and he saw

1172
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,959
Speaker 1: all these players and he created a scouting of all

1173
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: coaches to watch certain players. And so he had been

1174
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: watching him for three years and so he really knew

1175
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: it was going on for that. So jes maybe this

1176
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: has happened in your career or not. But Herb Brooks

1177
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: when he picked the initial twenty six guys, he picked

1178
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: guys he knew never would make the team. But people

1179
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: didn't understand why was to create a culture. You know,

1180
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: less Oja was not going to make the team, but

1181
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: he was going to help bridge the gap between the

1182
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: guys from the East and the guys from the west.

1183
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: Dave Dallach wasn't going to make the team, but he

1184
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: was going to really show people, you know, a certain talent.

1185
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: Then you had Jackie Hughes who made it so we

1186
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: could play against these NHL teams because he was tough

1187
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: and you know, there so every there was an ingredient

1188
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: for everything that went on. And so when you know

1189
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: you hear that saying I'm not looking for the best players,

1190
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the right players, it is because he

1191
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: had a plan. Yeah, And so in this day and age,

1192
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: especially when I'm speaking, is you see hr they don't

1193
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: allow conflict to happen. And when you don't, it doesn't

1194
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: go away, It just stays in festers. Right. So you

1195
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: see this ocallahan fight versus McClanahan in the movie, right,

1196
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: and if you really watch that clip, you'll see how

1197
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: four or five times that was going to be stopped.

1198
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: But as it plays through, now Brooks knows what he

1199
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: has to do where the problems are, right, because if

1200
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: not people are gonna split up and team up, and

1201
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: this conflict will continue to go on. So I really

1202
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: think conflict is a really important thing with every team.

1203
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: You know, to let it happen so that you can

1204
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: figure out what goes on.

1205
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: You get growth. Yes, that's how you get growth, because

1206
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: if someone festers on something and implodes, then there will

1207
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: be no communication. And that's when you know, you get

1208
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: a blown coverage. And yeah, in in our sport. Now,

1209
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: why did herb choose you?

1210
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: I think it's the winning underdog that I don't think

1211
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: he knew how I were. I don't think he knew

1212
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: if I would win in the biggest situations, but he

1213
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: knew I wouldn't be nervous.

1214
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: He didn't take the test.

1215
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: Well, that's a much more complicated thing. So here, here's

1216
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: a deal. He has this take home test. It's pretty simple.

1217
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm living with a team doctor doctor Nagabots, and my

1218
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: mother had just passed, and so I used to call

1219
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: home every night, checking in with my father. And this

1220
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: one that I called home, he was crying. He still

1221
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: had my mother's clothes in the closet. He had just

1222
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: lost his job, and I felt really guilty about chasing

1223
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: my career and not helping out the family, you know.

1224
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: So that night I decided if I don't take the test,

1225
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: I had made a promise to my mother. She said, listen,

1226
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: no matter what happens to me, if you have a

1227
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: chance to represent our country, you have to promise me

1228
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,479
Speaker 1: you will and you won't turn pro So I made

1229
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: that promise, and so all of a sudden, now I said, well,

1230
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: if I don't take this test, Herb Brooks will send

1231
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: me home and then I'll just do whatever that does.

1232
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1233
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: But the brilliance of Herb was I live with a

1234
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: team doctor. The team doctor told her of everything that

1235
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: was going on, and all he cared about is could

1236
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: I do my job? And so in his own way,

1237
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: he wanted people that would be more interested in the

1238
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: team than themselves. And by showing that, you know, my

1239
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: team was my family, right, and so I think it

1240
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: really showed him a lot. So he asked me a question.

1241
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: It was really interesting, two questions. He said, Jimmy, what

1242
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: can I do to help? And I said, well, my

1243
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: father needs a lull. So Herb worked to the people

1244
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis figured out how to get Alan. So that

1245
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: kind of made me feel better. And the second question,

1246
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: he says, can you do your job? I said, I

1247
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: can do my job?

1248
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah.

1249
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: So the taking that test is a little different, but

1250
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: Disney did ask if they could do it the way

1251
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: it did because it kind of fit my character, you know,

1252
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: so I have problem that.

1253
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: So when you make the team, you're finally on it,

1254
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: are you fucking you gotta be pretty pumped and thinking

1255
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 2: your mom's upstairs watching this that its been a special moment.

1256
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: It's just a step, you know, It's just you know,

1257
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: when you have goals, it's just that you got to

1258
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: hit one, you gotta hit another one, you got to

1259
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: hit another one, and you know, uh, like people always

1260
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: say about competition, right like Jana sec was a competition.

1261
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: I didn't care if the harder he worked, the harder

1262
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: I worked because I had more goals. If I can't

1263
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: be better than him, then I can't get to where

1264
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: I need to go. So there was never any jealousy.

1265
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: It was I just needed to play better and always

1266
01:05:59,480 --> 01:05:59,959
Speaker 1: get better.

1267
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, when it's crazy exactly when I'm talking without

1268
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 2: a doubt, when you're competing against another guy for something

1269
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 2: that you both want, the time that you think about

1270
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: those types of things where like people say, are you jealous?

1271
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: Is that could be time used to make your craft better?

1272
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: Shit happens, right, if somebody's better, they're better. You know it,

1273
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: they know it right, and you know, and I would

1274
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: happen to think whether it's you or me, is there

1275
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: was a way to make a save when you look

1276
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: at the guy like is that the best you got?

1277
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: And it pissed them off? There was you did the

1278
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: same thing going around like come on, man, you can't

1279
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: cover me. I mean, Larry Bird was the absolute best

1280
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: trash talker in the whole world. But he did that

1281
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: because he had he had to back it up, so

1282
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: that was the fuel that he needed to do. It

1283
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you have to put in the tank

1284
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: to get that stuff right. But when you know you

1285
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: don't have that in the tank anymore, that's when it's

1286
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: really really Yeah, that's when it really sucks.

1287
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 2: Who's the team? Asshole me?

1288
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: You? Well, goalie is a different you know. I mean,

1289
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,959
Speaker 1: it's like you're not on the bench, you're not out

1290
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: on the line. You're there. You're the coach on the

1291
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: ice and trying to make each one of these guys

1292
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: a little better. And you know, I think it was

1293
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: the time of my life that it was like, it

1294
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: wasn't fun. You know, I just lost my mother. Right,

1295
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And this is your vehicle.

1296
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: You got to you gotta make the most of that time, right.

1297
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,919
Speaker 2: Without a doubt. Who's the team? Who's the team?

1298
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: Prankster Davy Christian?

1299
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: What? What is what? Some of the he would do?

1300
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: Well, Rob McClanahan was a perfectionist, right, and so you

1301
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: know Christian brothers made the sticks. So Robbie would have

1302
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: eight or nine sticks taped up and they'd be absolutely perfect,

1303
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: and right down by the blade they'd be a little

1304
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: red little stick or you're plastic covering, right, So Davy

1305
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: would take that off, take a hack, sar and sorry.

1306
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't quite break if you on it, but

1307
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: if he went to shoot it, it would break, right,

1308
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: And so Robbie was so particular about the thing. So

1309
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Robbie goes goes to shoot stickering

1310
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: pissed off, another one pissed off. And then he finds

1311
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: out that Dave Davey had done that. And so we're

1312
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: in Colorado Springs at the Broad Moor, and you know,

1313
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: our travels are tough. We got tons of game, and

1314
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, you know, Brooks is coming

1315
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: in a little bit late, and Davy Christian and Pavliche

1316
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: find that the figure skaters have their two two's right,

1317
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: and so Davy Christian gets in this to two right

1318
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: with Pavlage and Herb was talking about for checking right.

1319
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: So Davy cut a Christian Brothers stick, taped it on

1320
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: another one another one, so had a stick that reached

1321
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: from here to the corner right. So he's out there

1322
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: and that Herb comes out and he just couldn't do

1323
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: anything but laugh. But that's kind of who Davey was.

1324
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,799
Speaker 2: God you need a little of that, especially with that environment.

1325
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: We always had our guy, the Matt Lights of the world,

1326
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: that would do a fucking prank that all the boys

1327
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: could just laugh. And you know, your guys are getting

1328
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 2: yelled at, sweating together, you're leaning together. Ma'am.

1329
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: I did a prank on this one kid, who would

1330
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: you know come in our day, you'd you'd break in

1331
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: your goalie or your skates. They were really hard to

1332
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: break in, so you would put steam in them and

1333
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: then you tie them up as tight as you could.

1334
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: And there was nothing more painful than what we call

1335
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: lace bike. You know, all of a sudden you tight

1336
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: your skate and you get lace bit. It's like, oh

1337
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: my god, it's so painful. So there's this one kid,

1338
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: uh Rory, and he was like helping the equipment manager

1339
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: and he was a real fan. And I shouldn't have

1340
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: done this, but I did. H He goes, Jimmy kids,

1341
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: anything I do for it? He said, yeah, I go, Rory,

1342
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: I've got these news skates. I need a bucket of steam.

1343
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: He goes, well, where do I get that? I go,

1344
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: do you ever see the zamboni when they come out

1345
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,799
Speaker 1: all that steam? Because you get down there, you capture

1346
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: that steam and you get back. So three hours later

1347
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: he comes back. I can't. I can't get your bucket.

1348
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: This team I got orya right, No, I know.

1349
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 2: Oh Rory ror. Now before we jump into the game,

1350
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: we have to hit one thing. What was up with

1351
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 2: coach Herb's style? Like he was pretty fashionable? Yeah, like

1352
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: did the boys talk about that?

1353
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: No? You know, he had so many guys who had

1354
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: him for so long and other guys who you know,

1355
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: love Parker, you know, you know.

1356
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: So, now, can I remember when Bill wants tried to

1357
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: put on one of those old like those old hats. Yeah,

1358
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 2: he put one of those on while we were traveling.

1359
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and I was in a certain bus where

1360
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: he wasn't on the whole fucking bus is talking like,

1361
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 2: what the fuck's Bill doing with this thing on? It

1362
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: was a nineteen twenty two bro, Get out of here here.

1363
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what's the mattis Herb's ever been at you?

1364
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, didn't really have that type of relationship

1365
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: he was. He was more like a father figure to me,

1366
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1367
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: Goalie's probably different than the boy, you know what I mean, like.

1368
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: Not on the badge, right. I mean I had such

1369
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: a relationship with him that if there was a guy

1370
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: in the left face off circle that I knew couldn't

1371
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: want to face off, I go change him, you know

1372
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, You know that type of thing. And

1373
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: I used to stand on the front of the bus

1374
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: in the well and just talk to him all the time.

1375
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: And it was never to gain anything. I mean, your

1376
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: goalie either the better one of you're not the better one.

1377
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: It's it is what it is. But I always always

1378
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: like to pick his mind on what he was doing. Yeah,

1379
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: a lot.

1380
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: Not the whole team liked him.

1381
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: No, But you know it's interesting when her passed and

1382
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: we were all at his funeral, if you said to

1383
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: one of the players who was Herb's favorite, they would

1384
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: have said themselves, every one of them, you know. So

1385
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: that's the kind of influence he did have on them.

1386
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's awesome, Jack. Let's get in the game

1387
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: lead up lead up to this game.

1388
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:09,440
Speaker 1: We got the homework. Yeah, I tell you, I am propressed.

1389
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: Baby games and names Nutthouse. Let's go baby.

1390
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 4: We all know about the legendary tie with Norway and

1391
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: the Herbies that came after those. That is part of

1392
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 4: the lead up to this game.

1393
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 3: I still get shutters every time I hear goal line

1394
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 3: because my coach made us run skate herbes.

1395
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: You know. As people don't understand is everybody thinks after

1396
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: that game he was punishing the players. He wasn't. He

1397
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: was developing the assistant coach. So watch it again and

1398
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: you'll see how difficult it is her practice. Herb Kraig

1399
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: Patrick was the nicest guy in the world, but he

1400
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: didn't He always wanted to be one of the guys

1401
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: because he had just finished playing and if you watch it,

1402
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: he has the hardest time. And so Brooks is really

1403
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: developing the assistant coach and he's doing it through the players,

1404
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: which hurts the assistant coach the hardest because he's so

1405
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: close to him. Got a calusel, Yeah, so's he's developing. Yeah,

1406
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: And you know the thing that's kind of amazing about

1407
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: Herb is when we were playing, there was no full

1408
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: time goalie coaches, but Herb made Warren Strelo a full

1409
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: time goalie coach. If Warren Strelo didn't have Herb Brooks,

1410
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: he would have been a guy that never left the U,

1411
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: showed up part time. Warren Strelo was a pioneer. And

1412
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: now they have an award after him in the NHL

1413
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: as one of the best goalie coach. So now that

1414
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: position from a guy who saw the need of that

1415
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: has gone. Craig Patricks is in the Hall of Fame

1416
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: for a general manager. So he developed all of us

1417
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 1: to this different thing and it's really amazing about and

1418
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 1: that's why I'm such a fan of Herb Brooks.

1419
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: Can I just take a moment to give some love

1420
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 3: to Craig Patrick. I'm a huge Penguins fan. He drafted

1421
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 3: y Armor, Yager of Guinea Milk and Sidney Crosby and

1422
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 3: Marc Andre Fleury. Most of those guys are still playing. Actually,

1423
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 3: all those guys are still playing to this day.

1424
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: Kak Patrick is just the nicest man, and you know,

1425
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: you know, the Leicester Patrick Award is from his family

1426
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But coaches used to say, I skated,

1427
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: I bagged our team just like you guys were there

1428
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: and I looked at him. You don't even know what's

1429
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: going on. You don't even know what happened there.

1430
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,919
Speaker 3: Well, that was my coach out out coach Hazelton.

1431
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting that most people don't know

1432
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: is Buzz Snyder, Jack O'Callaghan and I didn't even play

1433
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: that game. And so we were watching this game and

1434
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: when it ended, he skated everybody and we tried to

1435
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: go put our equipment on herb would and let us,

1436
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: so we didn't skate that game.

1437
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 4: Well, then there was the famous ten to three beat

1438
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 4: down at MSG.

1439
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: Right before the Boys headed to Lake Placid.

1440
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 4: The Team USA was seated seventh out of twelve teams

1441
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 4: in pool play. We were in the Blue Division. Russia

1442
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 4: was in the Red Division. Yes of course very fitting.

1443
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 2: In group play.

1444
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 4: The tie with Sweden two to two was big, gave,

1445
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 4: you know, kind of galvanised the fans, gave a little

1446
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 4: hope that this team's got some juice.

1447
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 2: Then the upset of Czechoslovakia.

1448
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 4: Seven to three, Norway beat Down five to one, Romania

1449
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 4: seven to two, win and then beat West Germany four

1450
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 4: to two.

1451
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 2: That was the US.

1452
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 4: Then over the Soviets were just putting up goals Man

1453
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,919
Speaker 4: sixteen nothing, beat Japan seventeen to four, beat the Netherlands

1454
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 4: Poland eight to one, Finland four to two, Canada six

1455
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 4: to four, and then a telling stat just to kind

1456
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 4: of show the dominance of the Soviets at this time

1457
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 4: in their matchups with the US. USSR had won twelve

1458
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 4: matchups from nineteen sixty to nineteen eighty. That was every

1459
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 4: time they faced the US with a gold differential of

1460
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 4: a one seventeen to twenty six.

1461
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 2: So it was a little bit of a disparity there, jeez.

1462
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 2: But not tonight, not tonight, Not tonight, boys, We already

1463
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 2: kind of went over it. But seeing the Russians in

1464
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: that ten to three defeat before the Games was a

1465
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 2: great thing for the team because you got to have

1466
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: a practice report, coaching against them, playing against them, feeling

1467
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 2: their speed, feeling their style.

1468
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: You know, if you ever played golf, would you ever

1469
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: play the golf tournament without having a practice round. Yeah, no,

1470
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: you'd have to go see the golf court.

1471
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's kind of like the Giants when they you know,

1472
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 2: unfortunately they beat you know, the Patriots beat them in

1473
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven Week seventeen. I bet you that

1474
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 2: game helped them so much, just to feel what it

1475
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 2: was like playing against them, getting coaching against them.

1476
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: So you know, it's kind of interesting Patriots fan. Right.

1477
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: So you now you got Randy Moss and you got Tom.

1478
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: Tom never took anything other than what was available. But

1479
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: sometimes when you have Randy Moss, you say, ft, I'm

1480
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: going to show him I can do that, right Yeah,

1481
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: And so that's to me, that's an example when he

1482
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: didn't manage ego in conflict, right, Yeah, I'll show you.

1483
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: And Randy was show you that we can do this

1484
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: right and and versus spreading out, because now that's what

1485
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: he was so famous about, right.

1486
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, what was the game plan after playing them

1487
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: losing to them?

1488
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: Well, we knew we could skate with them, right, You

1489
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: knew you could skate with when we played them at

1490
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. We should have went out there with

1491
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: a notepad and pencil and asked them to have an autograph. Right,

1492
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: we were in that much awe, right, Yeah, I remember

1493
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 1: coach saying to me, Jimmy, just going this game. It

1494
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. You know, you're not going to play

1495
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: the whole game, right, And so we're playing in the game,

1496
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: and I think it's like in the second period and

1497
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: Karl Maark comes down and he instead of just pushing

1498
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: it in the net, he wants to embarrass me even more.

1499
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: He goes around than that and he's going to step it,

1500
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: and well, I get up really quickly and I caught

1501
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: him with my stick right here. It cut him open, right,

1502
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: even though we put it in next thing, you know,

1503
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: the whole Russian bench goar. It means they're gonna shoot

1504
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: in my head. Herb goes, come on, Jimmy, you're out.

1505
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: So you know I didn't play. I think I played

1506
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: a period and a half of that game.

1507
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: Need old Jimmy for the the real ones. Shout out

1508
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: Herb for the force slide on that one.

1509
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have shot on your head. I mean

1510
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: they were so good it was crazy.

1511
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 2: Now, how was herb pregame? Like, was he a speech

1512
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: guy or did he just give you keys? Did he

1513
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 2: raw you guys up?

1514
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: Never swore?

1515
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1516
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:27,440
Speaker 1: Right, extremely prepared, right, I mean in every detail is incredible.

1517
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: But the speech that you hear in the movie Miracle

1518
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 1: is basically what he did. And he was our confidence,

1519
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're you know, they're ripe,

1520
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: they're ready to be beaten. You guys have earned this,

1521
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: you know all the things. But he never said you're

1522
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: gonna win. So it's really interesting in words when you

1523
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: pay attention to what actually is being said. There is

1524
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,879
Speaker 1: a way to beat this team. You guys have the ability,

1525
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But you're not. This is

1526
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 1: you're not going to just do this and beat I

1527
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: mean you got to.

1528
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 2: Execute, you got to do it.

1529
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1530
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 3: Wait, so the movie speech is actually fairly.

1531
01:18:59,040 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: Close, very close.

1532
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Wow, that's badass, Jake. Let's get in the game.

1533
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 2: Let's go to like blasted air for this game.

1534
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: Baby.

1535
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 4: We got to start with who's on the call here?

1536
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 4: Legendary al Michaels.

1537
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: Michaels, Yes, rid Man, young al.

1538
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 4: Michael back when he had the fro. I mean he

1539
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 4: was about twelve years old in this one, but legendary.

1540
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 4: This is at Olympic Center eighty six hundred. I think

1541
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 4: the the ticket price was like sixty five bucks packed

1542
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 4: to the gills.

1543
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 2: Soviet's get on the board for ast like five hundred.

1544
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 2: That's probably four hundred bucks. Now you think about it,

1545
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 2: sixty five then eighty, it probably like three hundred. It's

1546
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 2: got to be something craazy.

1547
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,879
Speaker 3: You say they were selling for three times as much outside.

1548
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's probably a thousand dollars ticket.

1549
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: Unreal.

1550
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: So what was the atmosphere like when you took the

1551
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: Like was it just insane?

1552
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, the first of all, you got to think the

1553
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: way communication that everybody just listened to this podcast as

1554
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: was even available. I mean you didn't even have cell phones, right,

1555
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: so think about it, you don't even have a cell phone.

1556
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: So telegrams are or what's it? So our from our

1557
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: locker room five to the going in is plasted from

1558
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: people who are selling sending telegraphs, telegrams to us, and

1559
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: they're like incredibly motivating, right beat those call me bastards,

1560
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? The one I remember the most,

1561
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I mean, this was much more

1562
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: than a hockey game. And I I remember this. I

1563
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: was always the first one out and so as you're

1564
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: walking and I'm about to step on the ice, I

1565
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: just slip cup and go, man, this is crazy, you

1566
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to have that much love from

1567
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: the Americans and that much hate for the Russians from

1568
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: the other people that were rooting for us. So you

1569
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: have the whole whole world rooting for us, right, So

1570
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: it was pretty amazing.

1571
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 4: Back to the back to this first period. Uh, the

1572
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 4: Soviets strike first with the crew Toov goal. Then buzz

1573
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 4: ties it up for the Americans. Makarov goal, were trading

1574
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 4: goals here, down two one. The Americans are then Mark

1575
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 4: Johnson that awesome goal right at the buzzer going into

1576
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 4: the first break two to two.

1577
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 2: Can you walk us through that?

1578
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so, you know, it's really kind of

1579
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: interesting about this is Tretiak's goal that he gives up

1580
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: from Buzzy is a bad goal. I mean it's a

1581
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,959
Speaker 1: slapshot from the blue line off the angle right basically,

1582
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: So that's a bad goal. So that's that's kind of good.

1583
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 1: And then you know, you figure out you play it

1584
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 1: till it's over. So I remember the puck's coming back,

1585
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: and I'm yelling the Kenny Moore, I'm counting down, Kenny,

1586
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: you got twenty seconds, you got nineteen seconds. And so

1587
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: it's like okay. So every little detail not like okay, good,

1588
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 1: we're only down two to one. It's not nothing was over.

1589
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: And so Mark Johnson playing that through the end, and

1590
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: the sloppiness of the rebound of Tretiak, the people who

1591
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: even let him shoot it. I mean, there's a lot

1592
01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: of things that becomes very positive for us. Right end

1593
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,799
Speaker 1: of the period. They pulled Tretiak right.

1594
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 2: Now, what are you thinking when they pulled.

1595
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 1: Well, he gives he gives up two bad goals. They've

1596
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: got the second goal. He Michigan has just beat the

1597
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: NHL All Star sixth then other I think at the

1598
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: end of the game, we had twelve shots on goal.

1599
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: You could have put a go could have put a

1600
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: pee wee goalie in there, you know what I mean.

1601
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: That's and and what's happening now is Tretiak isn't the

1602
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 1: future he was. He he's kind of in the past.

1603
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: A lot of these players now they have a different coach.

1604
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: And if you look at him. He coaches from the

1605
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 1: front of the bench, not the back of the bench,

1606
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,440
Speaker 1: And they're thinking, you know, I don't need you anymore, Tretiak,

1607
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: And I'm going to show you I don't need you.

1608
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: And the rest of your players we got. You got

1609
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: so many people ready to come take your jobs. You

1610
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: don't have any idea, and so anybody can beat the

1611
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: United States.

1612
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: So that was an internal battle.

1613
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: You think that was a power struggle.

1614
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 3: Wow, how did you take that last second goal?

1615
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 1: Like into intermission, was like, well, it's going to be

1616
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: tied too, too to be down to you. You know,

1617
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: who knows you're ever going to get another goal? You

1618
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: know the line Brooks gives in the movie is you

1619
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: score a goal and keep it, keep the puck, you

1620
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 1: might not get another one.

1621
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 3: Was there a moment for you where you felt like, okay,

1622
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 3: we can actually win this game.

1623
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: Well, see, it's a goalie. You don't think about winning

1624
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: the game. You think about keeping them in the game, right,

1625
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, just keeping them close enough that you don't

1626
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: want to get ahead of him and piss him off.

1627
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: Right He kind of there's like a there's a nice

1628
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: balance here, you know, tied where they think they're going

1629
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: to be in the third period and just go do

1630
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: it what they always do. Good Now the clock. So

1631
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: when you're a great team, the amount of time in

1632
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: the game works in your advantage for a really long

1633
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: time until it doesn't, right, because then it shifts. Now

1634
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: what happens is, you know, you get late in the

1635
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: third period, right, you don't have that much time like

1636
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: you did before. Right, Now, what happens everything starts to

1637
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: ecal up because now you've got to shift against the shift,

1638
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: and you have a coach and a team that is

1639
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: not afraid of you. It's going to keep rolling out

1640
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: all four lines. This guy cuts down his bench, he

1641
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: goes from twenty players to his best ten. They don't

1642
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: come off the ice. You've got ten passengers. Now you

1643
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: don't have a team. Herb's roll and these guys through.

1644
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: Everybody's playing, everybody's involved. And then are used to this

1645
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: because the best conditioned team in the world at that

1646
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: time was the United States. Let's go and Herb when

1647
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: he said he's not looking for the best player's looking

1648
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: for the right player. Every one of us knew how

1649
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: to win. Everyone had won a national championship. And when

1650
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: you win a Super Bowl or anything big. You have

1651
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: to be part of something bigger than yourself. You have

1652
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 1: to put your ego check in at the door. It

1653
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who it is, whatever your role is, be

1654
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: thankful and just do.

1655
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: It right without a doubt, because you know, if you're

1656
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 2: fortunate enough to win something at the highest level, you

1657
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 2: get humbled and you realize how many things had to

1658
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 2: happen for you to do that. Now, what was what

1659
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 2: was Herb like in between the periods?

1660
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: He was great, you know what I mean. So some

1661
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: coaches can make it nervous. Yeah, right, How many times

1662
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: have you heard, well, our best players didn't play as

1663
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: good as their best players. How about your coaching wasn't

1664
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: as good as their coaching?

1665
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: Right?

1666
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: And so Herb, you know, he was our confidence. You know,

1667
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: he believed in us, which gave us the opportunity to

1668
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 1: do you know, some really good things. See. But the

1669
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: other thing that's kind of interesting right in the US,

1670
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: So you watch a Canadian type game, if a player

1671
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: has a chance to shoot it, they just shoot it, right,

1672
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 1: So the number of shots on goal, it's it's many

1673
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: times as a guy can shoot the park. The Russians

1674
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 1: never shot the puck unless they thought they could score.

1675
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: So you might play a game against the Russian and

1676
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: they might score seven goals and they might have only

1677
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: had twenty one shots, right, But every twenty one shots

1678
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: was because they really thought they could score. So it's

1679
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: a totally different mentality. So when you look at the

1680
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: number of shots that they had on goal, it wasn't

1681
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: to just shoot. It wasn't the North American style of

1682
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: play where they just say, well we lost, but we

1683
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: outshot them by this, you know, not even the.

1684
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 2: Same game calculated everything. Now, what's up with you? And

1685
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 2: you know when Scout was at the game, there's three

1686
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,759
Speaker 2: people in the crowd. You, you're, your parents, and two scouts.

1687
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: You played your best game this game, you played your

1688
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 2: best game National Championship. You played your best game.

1689
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: Well you ought to know about that.

1690
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 2: Well, I know what I did? What makes you so good?

1691
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's just I think I just love that type

1692
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: of pressure. Yeah, you know, you asked, why do you

1693
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: think her picked you? Because that's kind of what it was,

1694
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just I getting ready

1695
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: three days before for it, maybe three weeks before. By

1696
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: the time the game comes, I've already played it so

1697
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: many times that that's what it is. I don't have

1698
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: to I don't even have to worry. I visualized. I

1699
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 1: never visualized losing. Never. Never, right. You know, my mother

1700
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: used to tell my brothers to stay away from him.

1701
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: It's two days before a game, you know what I mean.

1702
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: But when I got to the room, you know, it's like,

1703
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go.

1704
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 2: That's exactly, and that's what I say. I always played, really,

1705
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 2: I played my best games in the biggest moments because

1706
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 2: I treated those moments like they were all the other moments.

1707
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 2: But also it was my preparation, preparation, you know. It

1708
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 2: was the work I put in before the game, the

1709
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 2: visualization of before the game, the going over the tendency

1710
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 2: reports of what their coverages were on third and three,

1711
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 2: third and six, third and ten, plus knowing the play

1712
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 2: call before it even came in, because I was so

1713
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: dialed into my game plan that by the time I

1714
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 2: ran it, it was deja vu.

1715
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I remember telling you when I went

1716
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: to and I'd watch you do your steps, and i'd

1717
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: watch you count them, and I'd watch how high you'd

1718
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: lift your leg to fool guy and so nobody else

1719
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: in the sidelines even knowing what goes on unless if

1720
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: you can see it, you can be it. That's what

1721
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: I always tell with something right, without a doubt. Yeah,

1722
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 1: and so the part that was really interesting is, you know,

1723
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: I knew if a left wing came down off the

1724
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: left side that he was going to shoot across his

1725
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: body eighty six percent of the time, right, and that

1726
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: I didn't guess. But I was better prepared. You know.

1727
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: Then I learned how to break my body down into

1728
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: four separate parts, right, so that this side would only

1729
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: move or this side would only move, or this bottom

1730
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: would only move. But I would you know, really you know,

1731
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: really be in balance.

1732
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, Now how was the crowd going in this

1733
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 2: this during this whole game? What was the crowd energy? Like?

1734
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 2: Third period? Third period?

1735
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to the crowd.

1736
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 2: See, I never heard, never heard a word.

1737
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, just I just but I I knew that I

1738
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: wanted them to shoot more on me. I didn't want

1739
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: knock them to shoot on me, you know what I mean.

1740
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 1: I wanted more shots.

1741
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 2: Why you wanted to make more blocks.

1742
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in the game.

1743
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1744
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be standing there and say, oh

1745
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: my god, you know, come on, keep it calling just

1746
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: keep going, Come on.

1747
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 3: Thirty nine shots, that's in the game.

1748
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking of more shots, the second period was was

1749
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 4: like sixteen to three. The Russians out shot us H

1750
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 4: and we got a goal that puts them back ahead.

1751
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: That's the that's the goal.

1752
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he faked me out about four times before you

1753
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: decided to put it in. But I remember, I was

1754
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: so pissed off at Billy Baker because he's lugging up

1755
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: the side and he should have got the puck in

1756
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: and he didn't. They stole it. They caught him out

1757
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: of a break. I had no time to get set.

1758
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: This guy's coming at me a million miles an hour

1759
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: in the net. I'm picking that.

1760
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 2: But you you short memory. You got to get back

1761
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 2: into it.

1762
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always tell people, how would you like a

1763
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: job that every time you made a mistake, right, a

1764
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: big red light went on. Right, they took you a

1765
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: mistake and put it up on the scoreboards. They said,

1766
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: who scored the goal, who helped him score the goal,

1767
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: what time they scored the goal, and if you missed it,

1768
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 1: they showed again on the jumbo truck. Right. So you

1769
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: got to have a different skin.

1770
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 2: You got it. Life of a goalie life of a goalie,

1771
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 2: which are very you know, goalies like kickers, like pictures.

1772
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 2: They're always a little on their own. They're in their

1773
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 2: own world, you know what I mean. Just you have

1774
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: to be a different kind of psychology makeup to be

1775
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 2: a goalie. I bet.

1776
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm a Gemini. My wife likes one of me.

1777
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so am I too.

1778
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 3: She was a Gemini. We don't like either of them.

1779
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,799
Speaker 2: Speak for yourself, brother, walk us through the third period.

1780
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 2: Johnson Mark Johnson ties it up to.

1781
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: Mark Johnson is just a great player. You know, when

1782
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 1: you think about hockey IQ or your football IQ, his

1783
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: IQ is off the charts, you know what I mean. Uh,

1784
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: just a little guy too, I mean not big, you know,

1785
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: but just a fabulous player. What he did is he performed,

1786
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 1: you know, and that's why he was Magic Johnson. Before

1787
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson was Magic Johnson. That's what we always say

1788
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: to him. You know, the real Magic Johnson is Mark Johnson.

1789
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 2: Heh yeah, freaking Mark, that's the right baby shout out. Now,

1790
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 2: what about the go ahead goal by Mike Well.

1791
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: You know, it's really funny. Is a lot of people

1792
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 1: don't know the story, but you know, Mike had worked

1793
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: so hard all all his career to get to this opportunity, right,

1794
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: and you know, the threats to him being cut were

1795
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: really real. They're gonna bringing Neil Brodn's brother or somebody, right.

1796
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: And so here you have a Buzzy Snyder who his

1797
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: nickname was the babbitt Rabbit because he was so fast, right,

1798
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 1: but he couldn't go for a long time. Right, So

1799
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: here in this game, and all of a sudden you

1800
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: got Buzzy the Babbit rabbits going around the rink like twice.

1801
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: He's out of gas. He's yelling left wing, left wing,

1802
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: and nobody's ready. Mike jumps out over the boards, comes

1803
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: into the play late Pavlets is on a stick and boom,

1804
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: it's a goal.

1805
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Wow.

1806
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you're a fan of

1807
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: the Vikings, you know those things. But destiny, you know,

1808
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,600
Speaker 1: I really think that was Mike's destiny.

1809
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Talk about let's go, let's go seize our own opportunity.

1810
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 2: I see it. I'm out. That's kind of like when

1811
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: West would get knocked out over the middle. I'd be

1812
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 2: putting up my fucking chin strap going out there, and

1813
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 2: the guy would shake it off. I'm like, would have

1814
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 2: had some opportunity. Now you guys are up in the

1815
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 2: third period, you go up, you get the two unanswered

1816
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 2: last ten minutes. What's going like, how are we feeling?

1817
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 2: What are we doing to keep ourselves mentally in the game.

1818
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: You were talking your first two minutes or your first

1819
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 2: five minutes of each period's huge your last two minutes

1820
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 2: of each period. This is your last ten minutes against

1821
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: the Soviets. What's the mindset going to this?

1822
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: So it's really kind of interesting. Is when I started

1823
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: the game, I would tie everything up to slow them down,

1824
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: to give us a chance to get in. So if

1825
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 1: I had a chance to tie the puck up, I

1826
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: would tie it up. Last ten minutes is I didn't

1827
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: tie that puck up at all, kept it going, kept

1828
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: it going. Didn't want them to realize there's only ten

1829
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 1: minutes left. Oh my god, there's seven minutes left. And

1830
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: so before you know it, they had guys on the

1831
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 1: ice doing two minute shifts right, and because their egos,

1832
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, I've done this, will do this. I'm the guy.

1833
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: We're going to stay out there. Almost like to me,

1834
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: what I was saying to you would Brady, I want

1835
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: to throw it to Moss because I can't. Right, well,

1836
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: these guys going to and so the last ten minutes

1837
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: of the game is you'll hear Brooks say play your game. Well,

1838
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I'm doing the same thing is keep it going, keep

1839
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: it going. If you ever watch at the end of

1840
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 1: this game, the clip of just before El Michael goes

1841
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: do you believe in miracles? And that puck's going around,

1842
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 1: we got ten seconds that you notice that nobody ties

1843
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: that up, right, that's because I'm screaming, don't tie it up,

1844
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: don't tie it up. They'll get a whistle, they'll get

1845
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: a face off, they'll get another guy on then it

1846
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: Now it's about executing them there that they're in panic mode. Right,

1847
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: So the really end of the game was a strategy

1848
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: of don't tie the puck up, where the beginning of

1849
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: the game was slow the game down.

1850
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 2: Now do you practice the situation? Is that like something

1851
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 2: for me?

1852
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: That's a feel, that's a feel, you know, because.

1853
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 2: We practice for minute offense they call it. Yeah, So

1854
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 2: whether a team's up or teams down, how are you

1855
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 2: going to be getting defensive calls from them? Do you

1856
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 2: have to Are you trying to eat the clock? You're

1857
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 2: trying to score like that's a specific situation we used

1858
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,959
Speaker 2: to practice. I was just wondering, do you guys I don't.

1859
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: Think at that time, Like you know, I'll watch a

1860
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: game in the National Hockey League and somebody said, well,

1861
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, look that's say they're going with me, and

1862
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,759
Speaker 1: I'd say, well, he made that say because he didn't

1863
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: tie it up, you know, and he should have tied

1864
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 1: it up back there. So you know, everything is situational.

1865
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 1: So for me, I try to have high hockey IQ

1866
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 1: in the goal and say, you know, do we want

1867
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 1: face sauce? Well, if if you're if you play lacrosse right,

1868
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 1: and your sentiment is the best one in the in

1869
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 1: the thing, you want to have face sauce because that's

1870
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 1: how you can unscore a goal, right, But if your

1871
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: guy can't take face sauce, then you don't want them right. Well,

1872
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, we don't want them

1873
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 1: to know how much time it is because you can

1874
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: feel that they're in panic mode. Their coach has lost

1875
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 1: the bench, the players are now going to do what

1876
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 1: they want to do. They don't having a rhythm to them.

1877
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: We got a nice rhythm going on, and I don't

1878
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: want us to know that there's very little time left,

1879
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I wanted to run out

1880
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: on them before they know that the.

1881
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 2: Hell you keep them keep the energy up, so last

1882
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 2: last minute. You see, it's the last minute. It's trickling down.

1883
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 2: You're probably getting more and more intense, more and more

1884
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 2: focused when it when the clock hits zero. What's the

1885
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 2: first thing that comes to your mind?

1886
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: My mother?

1887
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's badass.

1888
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I started immediately. You know, you can see

1889
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: that thing in the stands of me looking for my

1890
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 1: father is because I wanted to show respect. The opportunity

1891
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 1: that I was given was because of my mother, right,

1892
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: And so even though she wasn't there, she was there,

1893
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 1: right and for my father not to give up after

1894
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: losing his spouse for that many years and to be there.

1895
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: And ABC had moved my father, see, so he wasn't

1896
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: where he should have been. They moved him for television.

1897
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know that about he had heart attack. They game.

1898
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: It was pretty intense, right, So I'm trying to find it.

1899
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 1: But no, immediately my mother and you know, it's funny

1900
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 1: jewels and honestly, got truth is I saw everybody in

1901
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: that moment who you know the first time I played

1902
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: with the Bears, and the guy who's from the community

1903
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: gave me rides, and I saw all these people that

1904
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: kind of like flashed through for this journey that I

1905
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to be on, through their sacrifices.

1906
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 2: That's what people don't realize. It takes. Takes a whole

1907
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 2: lot of people for you know, every one of those

1908
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 2: guys that were on the ice, and everyone has a

1909
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 2: different situation, but there's a lot of people in those

1910
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 2: camps that you know, your old coaches, your old Oh

1911
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 2: my god, that's pretty awesome that you've thought about those

1912
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 2: people that helped you get to where you're at.

1913
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: Your mom, I got to share this one story. Right,

1914
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: we're going out. We're gonna be playing the Russians, right,

1915
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: and so you've got the Secret Service around, and you

1916
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: got all these uh these New York State troopers, right,

1917
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the State comes and goes, hey, god, Jimmy,

1918
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,600
Speaker 1: what you know. I'm silly because I always had the

1919
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: first seat ready to go out, right. So he goes, listen,

1920
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: there's a guy out here. His name is Andy Filey.

1921
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: He says, he's your goalie coach from bu and he's

1922
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: got his daughter. They don't have a ticket. What do

1923
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 1: you want to do? I said, get him in? So

1924
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 1: this just before the game. But he drove all the

1925
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: way up from you know, looking crazy Lynn Mass to

1926
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: be there.

1927
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 2: That sounds like someone from Lynn Mass. Yeah, we'll just

1928
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 2: take our chances on it. We'll go up there. They'll

1929
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 2: get us in. That's Lynn Mass, got us baby.

1930
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 1: Lynn City has said you never come out the way

1931
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 1: you went.

1932
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 2: We all know if you've been in Boston. Now, what's

1933
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 2: the biggest misconception of about this game?

1934
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 1: That our team wasn't as good as it was? I mean,

1935
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, the Americans hadn't made the NHL yet, so

1936
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really great players on that team.

1937
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Our team is a really good team.

1938
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 3: Do you believe in the line like doesn't line of

1939
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 3: the movies like Tonight, You're the greatest team in the world.

1940
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: He believed it, you know what I mean? Yeah? And

1941
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you go back and listen to some

1942
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 1: of the words, because I'm a word guy, you were

1943
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 1: meant to be here, this time is yours, you know,

1944
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: And and he was setting a mindset up for people

1945
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: to believe, right, And you know, I always tell people. Uh,

1946
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: the impossible becomes possible when you believe, right. And and

1947
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: to me, you know, when I prepared for my work

1948
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: and I came up with that quote, it was because

1949
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 1: that's how I felt from this man.

1950
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were down twenty eight to three. I was

1951
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 2: just continually saying, you gotta believe.

1952
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's so funny my signature that I do.

1953
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: I believe believe. But it was funny. We were watching

1954
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 1: this game. My family and I were over. My sister

1955
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 1: wants to have a party. They were over there and

1956
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 1: people now aren't paying attention to the game, and I'm saying,

1957
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 1: you know the patios, I'll play them. They just everything

1958
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 1: went wrong and so anyway, I'm I leave. I said

1959
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 1: to my wife, I gotta got idea. I'm going home

1960
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: on the watch this game. This is still a game, right,

1961
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: And so I remember calling my son, huge, huge fan, JD. Right,

1962
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: and I said, JD, it is not over. They need

1963
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: to score in their first position, and you know, it

1964
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 1: kind of went over there, drop a third down and

1965
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: you know what I loved, and this is the winning

1966
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 1: underdog because you asked me to explain that when that

1967
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 1: prick that owns the place came down and started celebrating

1968
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: a little bit beforehand. It was like, you, come on, guys,

1969
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: you can't let this guy do that. You know, you

1970
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: just can't let this guy do that.

1971
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 2: Right without a doubt. I mean, there was a lot

1972
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:11,480
Speaker 2: of people on those sidelines.

1973
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:15,360
Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you a fun story. So bursh rights.

1974
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 1: My son wants to meet Tom right in the absolute

1975
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: worst way, right, So we kind of get this thing arranged.

1976
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: And so I'm on the sidelines and Birds come over

1977
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 1: and he goes and my son's right beside me, and

1978
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 1: he gets to go out and my son starts coming.

1979
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: He goes, no, no, you can't come. So I go out

1980
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: in the middle. I'm talking to Tom. Feels good as whistle.

1981
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 1: He's slipping around, going back and fucking back, and Jad's going,

1982
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,640
Speaker 1: what happened? What just happened? I go, JD, I have

1983
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: no idea, you know what I mean. So I don't

1984
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 1: think my son's ever forgiven me for that.

1985
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: Oh tell him my parents. I played on the team

1986
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 2: for twelve years. My parents never went on the field one.

1987
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 2: So wow, that's just how it was. Yeah, you got

1988
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 2: to be an Olympian or something to get on that field. Crazy, right, crazy,

1989
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 2: Now locker room after the game, boys are having fun.

1990
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 2: What are you guys drinking?

1991
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 1: Myself and Mark Johnson was taking in because you have

1992
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,799
Speaker 1: a drug test. So they always go to the person

1993
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: that's in their mind, I guess would be the high

1994
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 1: performing person. And so the guys to celebrate, we're sitting there,

1995
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 1: we're trying to drink beers and so we can take

1996
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,680
Speaker 1: a leak, you know what I mean. And so it

1997
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 1: was really funny. But yeah, you know what's interesting is

1998
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: when herb got this coaching job. You had the US

1999
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, US Hockey, and if you watch the movie,

2000
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 1: how they all questioned whatever else he did? Right, So

2001
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 1: when the game ends and we win, you know, you

2002
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 1: got want the Vice president's in there and we're on

2003
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: the phone with the President of the United States and

2004
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 1: all these guys who doubted her at the beginning, Who

2005
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: is the part of that committee? Try to commit her with?

2006
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 1: Get out? You wouldn't let him in? Hell?

2007
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that fucking when he was right, man,

2008
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 2: he believed in it, leaven the system.

2009
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 3: Man.

2010
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 2: I just I mean, you guys still had another game,

2011
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 2: so I'm I'm sure it was hard to really really celebrate,

2012
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 2: but once it was over and you guys finally got

2013
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 2: the gold after the next match. That that relief and

2014
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 2: all the grind, the grind that you did for six months,

2015
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 2: the eighty eight games or sixty games you guys played

2016
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 2: in three months. Like anytime we won a super Bowl,

2017
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 2: it was almost like the relief and like you you're

2018
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 2: just so yes, you're excited that you won, but the

2019
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 2: job was done. It's more of that, we got the

2020
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 2: job fucking done, and that's like and there's no more

2021
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 2: pressure for that year. So like that's when you feel.

2022
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 2: That's like that the happiness that I felt out of

2023
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 2: our championships were the job's done, we got it done.

2024
01:42:55,800 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 1: What was well? It was that specifically, but there was

2025
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: such a whirldwind and we were in such a bubble.

2026
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: We really didn't know what was happening. And then everything

2027
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: happened so quickly, all of a sudden, these guys you've

2028
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 1: been with forever, you'll never see again, so would you.

2029
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, no team's the same every year, but you

2030
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: have a you've got a nucleus of the guys you're

2031
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: gonna come back and see you've got a contract. This

2032
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: is over right, and you know and now you're going

2033
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 1: to go to different teams with different expectations, and you're

2034
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: going to be competing each other, and not everybody is

2035
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 1: rooting for you. It will never ever be the same.

2036
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 2: Never be the same, never never, Yeah, is there like

2037
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 2: a group chat between the guys now, where like here is?

2038
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: You know, you know it's so funny is you didn't

2039
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: have permission to appreciate what you did because we weren't

2040
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 1: established in the National Hockey League. And and you know,

2041
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 1: I remember I'd go to every town and after every

2042
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: interview would be there and I'd be sitting with Hall

2043
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: of famers on the team, and people would come up

2044
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 1: and ask for my autograph, and I'd be so embarrassed

2045
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 1: that I would sign it and I would just give

2046
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 1: them back, and then they'd get pissed that I didn't

2047
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 1: hand it to everybody. Oh something, I don't want this,

2048
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so it was very,

2049
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:04,480
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable.

2050
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 2: I can only imagine. And it was on tape. So like,

2051
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 2: who'd you call after the game because there was a

2052
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 2: two hour delay, right, Well, let me explain it for

2053
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 2: our fan.

2054
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:18,639
Speaker 3: So this game was famously not broadcast live, broadcast live today.

2055
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 3: It was a whole thing. So the game happened at

2056
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 3: five pm Eastern. It played on national television at eight

2057
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 3: pm Eastern, so there's a three hour gap.

2058
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 2: So did you call anyone?

2059
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 1: Everybody who meant anything? Was there?

2060
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 2: Everyone who meant anyone? Who's there? Yeah, that's all that matters.

2061
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 1: And you know what it's I agree. I remember after

2062
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 1: we win the gold medal, it were at Lake Placidic.

2063
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Lake class I haven't. It's

2064
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:49,200
Speaker 1: a little teeny village. It's crazy, it's it's uh, it's

2065
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 1: where you go to fulfill your dreams Now, I am

2066
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: in that going there. I mean, it's it's cool place. Right.

2067
01:44:54,600 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 1: So we have myself, Arizione, Jim Lampley, Jim McKay, and

2068
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:04,839
Speaker 1: we're walking down Main Street and it's snowing and there's

2069
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 1: just you know, people around you. So you're in the

2070
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 1: middle of snow and that you got this chant, Usa Usa.

2071
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 1: Now do you know where that chant came from? No,

2072
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 1: we're playing against Finland in the Olympic Games. It's Finland's

2073
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: winning two to one, and two part time firefighters from

2074
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: Lake Blassett get in the game and it's quiet and

2075
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 1: the Olympics haven't even started yet, and they start the

2076
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: chant USA. And so the chant Usa was started by

2077
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 1: two firefighters from Lake Blasa.

2078
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 2: Yea, let's go that rocks. I can't I can't even imagine.

2079
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 1: And now you think about the chant and you know

2080
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: how it's used and you know, to be have those

2081
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: guys that you know remember agents buy flags, they give

2082
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:55,600
Speaker 1: it to people. Now they tell them where the were it.

2083
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 1: They know a camera it's going to be on. The

2084
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 1: flag that was draped around me came from guy's house.

2085
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: He brought it from an addict from you know where

2086
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 1: his father or something was in the war, you know

2087
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 1: what I mean, didn't sell them there. So you see

2088
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 1: all these flags. This is patriotism. This is this is

2089
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 1: like you.

2090
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 3: Know where that flag is now?

2091
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 2: Yep, you still have it.

2092
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 1: Yep.

2093
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:21,640
Speaker 2: That's awesome. You know what, like I can't even imagine.

2094
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 2: Like football, we we don't get to ever represent our country.

2095
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 2: You know, they got the they got the flag coming

2096
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:30,679
Speaker 2: in which if flag was going while I was playing

2097
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 2: in my prime, I would have jumped over in the

2098
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 2: flag leagues just to try to get that. Just because

2099
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 2: of that chant you're getting to go out and compete

2100
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:39,520
Speaker 2: for your country.

2101
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:41,839
Speaker 1: But that the other part. Now the game the Olympics

2102
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 1: have changed because now you have professional athletes, which I

2103
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: the Olympics. When we played the Russians, that's what they did.

2104
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 1: They basically were a professional, but they didn't have an option, right,

2105
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: so it isn't like they could come over and play

2106
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 1: and then we could only represent. So guys that were

2107
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 1: or on our team made a sacrifice not to turn

2108
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:07,719
Speaker 1: pro to choose the Olympics. None of these professional athletes

2109
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 1: have to do that anymore. Hey, listen, I'm gonna wait

2110
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: a year before i go make all kinds of money

2111
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna play any Olympic games. And then they

2112
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 1: argue about whether they're gonna wear the Nike Swish because

2113
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: that's who's paying them. And I'm not gonna wear the

2114
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: Olympic thing. It's like and I'm not going to stay

2115
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 1: in the village because that's not good enough for me.

2116
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 1: And you know, I'll go if I get TV rights

2117
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 1: so that I can be you know, it's lost the

2118
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 1: meaning of what these games are. And you know, I

2119
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 1: in a lot of the speech that I do, I'll

2120
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:41,600
Speaker 1: show a photo of people countries at the games and

2121
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: they'll say, you know, the USSR here, USA is here,

2122
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: There might be in another country there, And I'll tell people,

2123
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 1: look at that photo, what do you say? And you

2124
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:52,920
Speaker 1: know a lot of people will think, well, these are

2125
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Olympians preparing to win a gold medal. I got no.

2126
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 1: Some are there and they're just happy to be there.

2127
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 1: There are preparing to compete, but some are there are

2128
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 1: preparing to win. And it doesn't matter. It's life. It's

2129
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: really what it is. You know, some people happy to

2130
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 1: say I played in a Super Bowl? Who would be

2131
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 1: happy with just playing in one? You know what I mean?

2132
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean that's when we're trying to describe what a

2133
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 1: winning underdog is. It'd be like, are you kidding me?

2134
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 1: I had that opportunity and I didn't take full advantage

2135
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 1: of it. That'd be crazy. And that's the discipline that

2136
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 1: teams have that have great locker rooms have. They don't

2137
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: let those players not get ready. Yeah, you know, it's like, hey,

2138
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, you better be ready.

2139
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 2: We might need you without a doubt. Everyone's got a role. Yep,

2140
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 2: what's the Aftermac Jackskie?

2141
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, put a bow on this game? The USA one

2142
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 4: four to three. Jim save thirty six of thirty nine shots.

2143
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:55,679
Speaker 4: Mark Johnson two goals, Mike Ruzioni with the game winner,

2144
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 4: and then, as we mentioned earlier, the US would go

2145
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 4: on to beat Finland for the gold medal.

2146
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 2: The whole system was, It's a whole We.

2147
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,839
Speaker 4: Could do a whole episode on how kind of confusing

2148
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 4: convoluted the whole tournament setup was. Jim would finish as

2149
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 4: the tournament's top goalie, saving with a save percentage of

2150
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 4: point nine.

2151
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 2: To one six. Let's go baby.

2152
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 4: The Soviet Union would go on to women next two

2153
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 4: gold medals in eighty four and in eighty eight. Thirteen

2154
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:24,680
Speaker 4: members of this team would go on to play in

2155
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:28,599
Speaker 4: the NHL. Jim played for the Flames of Bruins and

2156
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 4: the North Stars. Yeah, this one's iconic, Baby.

2157
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,879
Speaker 2: What's the best perk you got from being a gold medalist? Especially?

2158
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean the perks that you got from this. You

2159
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 2: guys defeated the Russian you guys saved the Cold War?

2160
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 2: Like this is this is a different kind of perk

2161
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 2: than like now.

2162
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 1: So we flew on Air Force one, that's how was

2163
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:58,200
Speaker 1: that incredible? So first of all, it's a political thing

2164
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 1: now to bring a team into the White.

2165
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 2: House without it, doubt I went to twice.

2166
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 1: So it wasn't with us. So all of a sudden,

2167
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,480
Speaker 1: Herbs telling us, hey, guys, you know we're out celebrating.

2168
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 1: We're in blue crush the lord sweatsuits. We haven't shaved

2169
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: in thirteen days. Right, We've got nothing. Everything's packed, right,

2170
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 1: And so Herbs says, tomorrow morning, sixth thirty am made us,

2171
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, at the in the hotel, right. And so

2172
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 1: one of the guys goes what for? He goes, how

2173
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: because the President of the United States and the first

2174
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:28,840
Speaker 1: lady had invited you to the White House, right, And

2175
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,640
Speaker 1: we go, shit, what are we gonna wear? Right? So

2176
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: we stayed up all night. We get there, and all

2177
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden we get on this bus and this

2178
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 1: bus takes us to this little teeny airport in Saraenac Lake,

2179
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: and there's an airplane waiting for us. But it's no

2180
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: dy airplane, it's Air Force one.

2181
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 2: Jesus.

2182
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 1: So I get up and they put me in. I

2183
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 1: sit right in President Kardi set where he sits there, right,

2184
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 1: and we take off and all of a sudden, this

2185
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 1: marine in perfect shape comes up to me. He says,

2186
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 1: mister Craig, I go yes, He goes, is there anything

2187
01:50:57,400 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: I can do for you? I said, this surely is

2188
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:01,560
Speaker 1: What's that? I said, I'd like to call home and

2189
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 1: tell my dad where I'm at.

2190
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 2: Now.

2191
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 1: The cell phone hasn't even been in vent. I'm a

2192
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,640
Speaker 1: wise ass from Boston. I think it's pretty funny. Next thing,

2193
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 1: he walks up the aisle of air Force one has

2194
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 1: this great big box, and he says, what's your telephone number?

2195
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 1: So I tell him next years and of couse, the

2196
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 1: phone's busy. My father's telling the whole world that his

2197
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 1: son and nineteen other guys and want to gold medal.

2198
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 1: So I go, oh darn, And the guy the marine says,

2199
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,679
Speaker 1: no worries. Next thing you hear is a mister Craig,

2200
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 1: the White House operator, your son would like to speak

2201
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:32,680
Speaker 1: to you. My dad goes, got that shit. You know

2202
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 1: you never believed it, but you know, uh, that was

2203
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 1: that was a pretty cool thing.

2204
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 2: Wow, that is awesome? Is it? Food good?

2205
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because Carter said, hey, Jimmy, is there any special

2206
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 1: meal you can get from me? I said, yeah, lobsters.

2207
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 2: Let's go from Boston. What do you expense lobster? That

2208
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 2: is awesome, coolest piece of Rebelia's that you got from that,

2209
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 2: the flag, maybe the flag that you got.

2210
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: Flag is awesome. I have trad X goalie stick that

2211
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 1: he played in Wow, which was really kind of cool,

2212
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, But I have the memories. That's the greatest thing.

2213
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 2: I have, without a doubt. Let's score the game, gre

2214
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 2: This's got to be the greatest upset in the history

2215
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 2: of the not for me to say, I think it is.

2216
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:23,679
Speaker 2: For me, it is, I mean just because of the story.

2217
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 2: And it's probably he doesn't want to hear that because

2218
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 2: they probably thought they were the best team. But with

2219
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 2: the stakes, with everything that was going on in like

2220
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:35,679
Speaker 2: the unfairness of the Russians getting to compete for fucking

2221
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 2: like thirty years together, these are the teams like twenty

2222
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 2: eight year olds pros. That's crazy to me.

2223
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 3: Do you think USA will ever win a gold medal again?

2224
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 1: Well, they don't even underdogs anymore. I mean, the USA

2225
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 1: hockey players as good as anybody, and we got more people,

2226
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 1: so I would expect they certainly should.

2227
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,760
Speaker 2: Right, what's your thoughts on US hockey right now?

2228
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 1: The great players and winning something that big, you have

2229
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 1: to have a group of guys that are willing to

2230
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: do what it takes to win right, and you know

2231
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 1: that's going to be interesting on how it is. But

2232
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: from a talent standpoint, they're not underdogs anymore.

2233
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 3: The development program probably came out of what you guys

2234
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 3: did and all the interest and they make that.

2235
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 1: Well what it's really interesting the USA Hockey only because

2236
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 1: Dave Ogan is a really good friend of mine, and

2237
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 1: you try to run USA Hockey a nonprofit and you

2238
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 1: start to understand how you get the money. Well, they

2239
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:42,879
Speaker 1: started getting the money for that program from the National

2240
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 1: Hockey League, who gave it to the Canadian program. So

2241
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 1: the US program had to get better in order to

2242
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 1: get more money. And so that's where a lot of

2243
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:55,799
Speaker 1: the money comes from, right. And so the greatness about

2244
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 1: this game now is people are playing it everywhere. And

2245
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 1: what I love and I think what our team really

2246
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: helped was with women and ice hockey and how great

2247
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 1: those women players are, which is just such a great thing.

2248
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 1: You know, made everybody want to be a hockey.

2249
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 2: Player without a doubt. It's great. That's great the game

2250
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 2: and he left over questions.

2251
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 4: Jackie, Jim Kyler and I were arguing about this a

2252
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 4: little bit earlier, but after the dust settled and he

2253
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 4: got the gold medal.

2254
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment where you and her bellied

2255
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 2: up to the bar and shared a beer together?

2256
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

2257
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, baby.

2258
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, every relationship is based on the need of

2259
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:35,480
Speaker 1: the person you're having that relationship with, you know, And

2260
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 1: I would venture to guess that your relationship would just say,

2261
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 1: Belichick is different now than it was when you were

2262
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 1: playing a doubt, Yeah, and how you can help him now?

2263
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 1: He's probably more vulnerable than he would have been if

2264
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: he was your coach, right, So it's yeah, you know.

2265
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 1: I just always think that your life is full of

2266
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 1: different chapters of your life, right, And as I said

2267
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 1: to now, is mind now as a grandfather, it's like

2268
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 1: the greatest chapter. Right. But the part that I think

2269
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 1: is important is you want to write these chapters. You

2270
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 1: want to be in charge of these chapters. Right. You

2271
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 1: don't want to try to live from the past. And

2272
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,400
Speaker 1: so people might say, well, you make a living out

2273
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 1: of what goes on. No, I spend a ton of

2274
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 1: time being relevant and taking what I've learned in business

2275
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 1: and in life and from being a parent and make

2276
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:29,480
Speaker 1: it useful and try to provide people with tools. And

2277
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, one thing I always say to people, you

2278
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 1: never tell people what you to do, right, Because to me,

2279
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 1: when somebody tells me something, that means I'm not smart

2280
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 1: enough to understand what they think is right. I like

2281
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 1: to invite people to think differently, right, be curious, right.

2282
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 1: And so it's really kind of interesting. And so when

2283
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:48,840
Speaker 1: I watched your show and how you guys prepared, and

2284
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 1: I saw all the work that's going to be done,

2285
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, as part behind the scenes or on the scene,

2286
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 1: it was really interesting to me. Right, And I've got

2287
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 1: some ideas for my own business from seeing what you

2288
01:55:58,920 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 1: guys do.

2289
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh, you need someone to produce and we got a

2290
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,120
Speaker 2: production company. Yeah, no, I got it all right, let's

2291
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 2: name the game. Do you have any specific names for

2292
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,120
Speaker 2: this game? Where is Miracle on Ice? Pretty good?

2293
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 1: I think that's about it.

2294
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 2: Just making sure, just making sure. Is this the greatest

2295
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 2: game of all time? Let's score it. Jim steaks zero

2296
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 2: to ten Decimal's okay? The stakes of this game that

2297
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 2: technically wasn't the final, but a huge bump in the

2298
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:29,440
Speaker 2: road to get to the fight.

2299
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean if you don't you know, it's

2300
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 1: like if you don't win, you don't go on, right, Yeah,

2301
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 1: So you know, I'll tell you a story where we're

2302
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 1: after the first period, after the second period of the

2303
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 1: game against Finland for the gold medal, and we're losing

2304
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:49,520
Speaker 1: two to one. Well, we've gone from the underdog to

2305
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 1: the favorite. The whole place is bulling us, right, you know,

2306
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 1: we've gone like, hey man, you'd be the rest, You

2307
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 1: could beat anybody, right, and it's no, you can't. Right.

2308
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 1: So it just shows you'll fickle the thing is and

2309
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 1: how strong the players were.

2310
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 2: To be able to stay focused without a doubt.

2311
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 1: So, am I supposed to give a number to this number?

2312
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:11,720
Speaker 2: One to ten Decimal's okay, Jim, So this.

2313
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 1: Is gotta be a nine point eight.

2314
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 2: I like that. I would say a nine point eight two.

2315
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,480
Speaker 3: Jack with a nine point four I had a nine

2316
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 3: point I mean we have.

2317
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:23,600
Speaker 2: The Cold War, Okay, this is goddamn Russian.

2318
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 3: Countries on the line.

2319
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 2: The star power of this game zero to ten decimal's okay.

2320
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Well, so the star power is lopsided, right, So it's

2321
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:38,880
Speaker 1: it's more Russians and then there is the unknown, right yeah,

2322
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,240
Speaker 1: So I mean it doesn't get any bigger star power

2323
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: in the particular sport that you're dealing with. So you

2324
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 1: know that's gonna be really up there too, So give

2325
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 1: that a nine to five.

2326
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 3: Nice some hall of famers from both sides, her Brooks

2327
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

2328
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 2: I'm going eight point nine.

2329
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 1: But the other part is they would have been Hall

2330
01:57:58,880 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 1: of famers. They just couldn't have.

2331
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably all would have been Hall of Fame.

2332
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: So here's something kind of interesting, right. So there is

2333
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:08,680
Speaker 1: the Hockey Hall of Fame, and then there's the International

2334
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 1: Ice Hockey Hall of Fame. Right, Well, I am fortunate

2335
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 1: enough to be an international I Classic fan. You would

2336
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: never be able to get in there now unless you

2337
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 1: are a superstar in the NHL and the other ones.

2338
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:23,840
Speaker 1: But so when you look to the star power the

2339
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 1: people on that Russian team, every one of them is

2340
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 1: in the International Ice Hockey Hall, which is higher than

2341
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 1: the Hockey Hall of Fame. So when you're looking at

2342
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Speaker 1: their their credentials is pretty high.

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01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 3: Put a number on a bunch of fucking legends. Yeah,

2344
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 3: that's crazy Jack Jack's number. Seven points there.

2345
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 2: I went with the I was kind of the Russian

2346
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:42,520
Speaker 2: judge here, if you will.

2347
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 3: I had an eight point one.

2348
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 2: The gameplay of the game, the back and forthness, the

2349
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 2: entertainment value for the the viewer as a player, your

2350
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:56,680
Speaker 2: gameplay zero to ten decimals.

2351
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:59,720
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I gotta believe from everybody who's ever told

2352
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 1: me it was like they were, they were like absolutely ontense.

2353
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 2: So it's a ten edge of your seat all games.

2354
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm going, without a doubt, a nine point two point

2355
01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 2: two jack.

2356
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:17,600
Speaker 1: And I don't want to have it overrated because it's

2357
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:18,600
Speaker 1: the game I played in.

2358
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 3: I usually give people ship for overrating games they played

2359
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:24,080
Speaker 3: in the Miracle on Ice.

2360
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 1: When I look at gameplay, I'm not talking about me.

2361
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking about just a game in general, and the

2362
01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 2: name of the game, Miracle and Ice. You're actually grading

2363
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 2: the name of the game and the cultural.

2364
01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 1: Impact, cultural impact, cultural impact. So is it two questions

2365
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 1: or is it one?

2366
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 2: It's one just the name of the game.

2367
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't think the name of the game does it

2368
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 1: justice because I don't really think it was a miracle.

2369
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 1: I like it, So the name of the game, for

2370
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 1: people who don't know what the work and things have

2371
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 1: put in would have ranked much higher for me. But

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02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:04,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't a miracle, so I don't know what else

2373
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 1: I would call it. But I'll give that a seven.

2374
02:00:08,440 --> 02:00:12,600
Speaker 2: And for me, I'm not a hockey guy. I became

2375
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 2: a hockey guy when I went to Boston and started

2376
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:17,120
Speaker 2: living around a bunch of hockey dudes and worked out

2377
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:20,280
Speaker 2: with hockey guys. But I knew what the fucking miracle

2378
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:23,560
Speaker 2: and ice was. That is a nine point two.

2379
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 3: I gave it a teen jack with a perfect ten,

2380
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:26,520
Speaker 3: perfect ten.

2381
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's clip it up. Let's see. This could

2382
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 2: be a high ranks. This could be This is gonna

2383
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:32,080
Speaker 2: be high, baby, This could be the highest honor of

2384
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 2: the games.

2385
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:36,000
Speaker 3: We buckle up nine point one six.

2386
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,880
Speaker 2: Where does it go on all of our games that

2387
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 2: we've done.

2388
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:41,640
Speaker 3: It's fourth, just ahead of the Snowball game two thousand

2389
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:44,680
Speaker 3: and one AFC Division around Patriots versus Raiders, and just

2390
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,919
Speaker 3: below the Malcolm Butler game Super Bowl forty nine Seattle

2391
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 3: versus Patriots.

2392
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 2: This isn't a Patriot bias podcast either. If you if

2393
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:54,440
Speaker 2: you see the top five games, only a little bit

2394
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 2: so fourth not bad, that's insane. How many games have

2395
02:00:57,960 --> 02:00:58,440
Speaker 2: we done now?

2396
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Speaker 3: Seventy seventy eight?

2397
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:01,840
Speaker 2: I believe seventy eight games.

2398
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:05,640
Speaker 3: These are all are seventy good place for it?

2399
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Speaker 2: Is this our no, this is our second, This is

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Speaker 2: our first Olympics, first Olympics. Wow, did we miss anything?

2401
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:14,720
Speaker 1: Now, you guys are great. You guys have done so

2402
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:20,640
Speaker 1: much homework and your intentions are good. There's not a

2403
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:24,920
Speaker 1: show like yours. It's special. Right, we appreciate thank you

2404
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:27,840
Speaker 1: to commend you for that because it's not easy. It

2405
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:29,920
Speaker 1: takes a lot more work, right.

2406
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:32,280
Speaker 2: You know what this know where this came up out

2407
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 2: of Kyler. He was we were all talking right before

2408
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:41,000
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving around this time. We went down to the local

2409
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:43,360
Speaker 2: He went to his local bar, and some guy came

2410
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:44,840
Speaker 2: up to him and he's like, you play on this

2411
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:49,080
Speaker 2: high school team. Remember this one game, And nothing's more

2412
02:01:49,120 --> 02:01:53,200
Speaker 2: fun than talking about historical games with people that were

2413
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,680
Speaker 2: in it or involved with it, and then scoring the game.

2414
02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:59,240
Speaker 2: So it's it's a fun thing. And we that that

2415
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:02,240
Speaker 2: means so much the people right here, you see these guys,

2416
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 2: well you just said.

2417
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Speaker 1: Listen, I've done this for a long time. Right. There's

2418
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:16,200
Speaker 1: always hidden agendas, right, there's always about ratings, and there's

2419
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,640
Speaker 1: there's quick ways to do it, and there's right ways

2420
02:02:18,680 --> 02:02:21,400
Speaker 1: to do it. You guys are doing it the right way, right,

2421
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:25,920
Speaker 1: and you'll get more people who come on because you're

2422
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:28,440
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. And so your name matches up

2423
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 1: to what you do, so it's impressive.

2424
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:31,880
Speaker 2: We appreciate going from you.

2425
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:34,040
Speaker 3: That means the world, and I just want to take

2426
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:36,320
Speaker 3: over one second. I'm a Massachusetts kid. I played hockey

2427
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Speaker 3: my whole life, like I went to high school when

2428
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 3: the miracle came out, like this game means a lot

2429
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:44,520
Speaker 3: to like the Massachusetts hockey identity. And just thanks for

2430
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:45,640
Speaker 3: being here because I really appreciate it.

2431
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 2: This was this is gonna be huge. Thank you very much.

2432
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to meet you, so that's even more cool.

2433
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,800
Speaker 2: I feel like we've kind of met. We've rubbed shoulders

2434
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:55,440
Speaker 2: in practice.

2435
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:57,440
Speaker 1: But you know how, I just remember the one time

2436
02:02:57,600 --> 02:02:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, sit with Dyll you need to dry this

2437
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 1: EFFI soo okay, So I don't know if you remember this,

2438
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:04,800
Speaker 1: but I go in I'm speaking, and so Tom is

2439
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:07,280
Speaker 1: right in front of me, and Jimmy Garoppolo is right here.

2440
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 1: And this guy, Rick Kimbo is really good friends with

2441
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:13,120
Speaker 1: the Brady's because he flies Tom's dad in to see

2442
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:16,560
Speaker 1: all the games. This guy brought linked in publics. He's

2443
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:19,240
Speaker 1: got all kinds of money, right, So I go, Bill,

2444
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:22,160
Speaker 1: So you know what can I do? You know how

2445
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:27,600
Speaker 1: hard do you want this to go? Do you think? Said? Okay?

2446
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 1: So I remember I said, hey, Tom, you know this

2447
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,160
Speaker 1: really means a lot to you because you've been here

2448
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:36,000
Speaker 1: now and you have won, and you know how hard

2449
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:39,000
Speaker 1: it is, and you know you come from a great

2450
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:40,720
Speaker 1: family and I know your mom and dad is so

2451
02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:43,040
Speaker 1: it's really good. I go, Jimmy, I go, what do

2452
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:46,160
Speaker 1: you do? Do you bring Tom? Show the bads outside?

2453
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:48,160
Speaker 1: And when he's on a TV thing, stick a head

2454
02:03:48,160 --> 02:03:50,760
Speaker 1: in so people go look it? Or are you preparing

2455
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:53,640
Speaker 1: to take his job like he did Drew blood cells.

2456
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:55,280
Speaker 1: That's how I started the thing.

2457
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:56,480
Speaker 2: I remember that now.

2458
02:03:57,160 --> 02:03:59,320
Speaker 1: And then the other product that was really fun is

2459
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 1: I remember saying how many how many people here are

2460
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:07,240
Speaker 1: rookies and you know they all raised you know, all

2461
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:08,520
Speaker 1: these people get up and raised here, and I go,

2462
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:13,280
Speaker 1: you're not rookies. You're New England Patriots. And the expectation

2463
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:15,840
Speaker 1: that Belichick has for you is not of a rookie

2464
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:19,480
Speaker 1: because rookies make mistakes and he's not going to have you.

2465
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:22,800
Speaker 1: You're a New England Patriot right the other day you

2466
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:25,520
Speaker 1: were a rookie, but you made this team today. And

2467
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:28,320
Speaker 1: so the mindset that I always felt that you guys

2468
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:31,400
Speaker 1: had was the matter. If you're a rookie, you're a

2469
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:33,840
Speaker 1: teammate and you're expected to do your job, and if

2470
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:37,240
Speaker 1: you're put in there, you need to execute and there's

2471
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:38,800
Speaker 1: no excuse for it. I don't give you a rookie.

2472
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:40,360
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're hurt. I don't care if

2473
02:04:40,360 --> 02:04:42,680
Speaker 1: you're tired. Right, So it's really kind of interesting.

2474
02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:48,080
Speaker 2: No, yeah, that was I do remember that because everyone

2475
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:53,920
Speaker 2: didn't know if you could like laugh or like oh uh, you.

2476
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 1: Know, it's funny. Is there's teams that you coach, and

2477
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:00,720
Speaker 1: sometimes there are teams that you can only make. A

2478
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:03,280
Speaker 1: football team is so big you can't coach that team.

2479
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:05,080
Speaker 1: You have to manage that well.

2480
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:08,000
Speaker 2: You got to rely on your individual coaches. It's a

2481
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:11,920
Speaker 2: true team. Yeah, you can't micro man like. That's why

2482
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:13,320
Speaker 2: you know. Bill's also great at that.

2483
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:18,600
Speaker 1: I go, so it is bratty like the team shit. No, no,

2484
02:05:18,680 --> 02:05:20,680
Speaker 1: we can even understand how he gets it, you know,

2485
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:22,280
Speaker 1: does what he does. He didn't mean he would do it.

2486
02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:24,800
Speaker 1: Then he would say Slater was the guy, or Slater

2487
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:25,240
Speaker 1: is the guy.

2488
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:27,480
Speaker 3: We've got his in Halo over here.

2489
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was my I lived with Matthew Slater for

2490
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:33,600
Speaker 2: four years. You know, we bunked up before we had money.

2491
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:37,040
Speaker 2: Go check out Jim. I mean you're gonna probably see

2492
02:05:37,120 --> 02:05:40,440
Speaker 2: him at a business talk or something. Thank you so much.

2493
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:43,960
Speaker 2: We appreciate you coming. We'll be right back after this

2494
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 2: quick break. Man, I just wanted to just go scream

2495
02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:52,320
Speaker 2: USA for the next two days. All timer can't do

2496
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:53,760
Speaker 2: games with names.

2497
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:55,520
Speaker 4: We can't be on the search for the greatest game

2498
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:57,640
Speaker 4: of all time without doing miraquan Ice.

2499
02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,960
Speaker 2: You can't. That was unreal, unreal.

2500
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:01,920
Speaker 3: That should have been higher.

2501
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:06,640
Speaker 2: Should Yeah, I do feel a little embarrassed at our

2502
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:08,280
Speaker 2: top four fucking Patriots games.

2503
02:06:08,360 --> 02:06:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta start texting non Patriots people.

2504
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:14,480
Speaker 4: I know who van Oi KVN Baby, he's still had

2505
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:14,960
Speaker 4: that balling.

2506
02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 3: I think almost cried like three times that episode. But

2507
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:21,400
Speaker 3: like man as like a Massachusetts hockey guy, Like that

2508
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:24,240
Speaker 3: was just fucking surreal, sharp guy.

2509
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeh knows that, Like he's really taking his time and

2510
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:32,600
Speaker 2: his experience, and he's even said he even said it

2511
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:36,280
Speaker 2: to reflect and he's very thankful for everything that has

2512
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:39,560
Speaker 2: happened in his life. And I really can I really

2513
02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 2: liked that and that was really refreshing for me. You know,

2514
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:46,120
Speaker 2: because sometimes it doesn't matter who you are in your

2515
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:49,560
Speaker 2: life or what's going on. You could have everything in

2516
02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:53,440
Speaker 2: the world. Sometimes you don't feel great about what's going

2517
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:56,240
Speaker 2: on or this that when you sit next to a

2518
02:06:56,280 --> 02:06:59,600
Speaker 2: guy like Jim Craig, it make you feel great about

2519
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:01,680
Speaker 2: ship sandwich you're about to eat.

2520
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,320
Speaker 3: Hey, who knew so close with coach Belichick?

2521
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:07,840
Speaker 2: I know. Crazy.

2522
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:09,440
Speaker 3: As soon as you said then Tucket, it's.

2523
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:14,920
Speaker 4: Like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you say to

2524
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:15,840
Speaker 4: Boston College?

2525
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:16,120
Speaker 1: Right?

2526
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:18,880
Speaker 2: Broking like a true area based So Boston College is

2527
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:21,400
Speaker 2: like at that time was better than be you.

2528
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:23,120
Speaker 3: They're both.

2529
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:25,960
Speaker 2: That's crazy, I think for a Catholic guy guy.

2530
02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, bus a little bit or B's a little bit more.

2531
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:33,080
Speaker 2: Wow, that's man. That was fucking awesome. That was all time.

2532
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:34,520
Speaker 1: Man, that was all time.

2533
02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:38,280
Speaker 4: And it feels nice to be the glazy and not

2534
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:41,880
Speaker 4: the glazers. Sometimes itels pretty nice. He was glazing you

2535
02:07:42,920 --> 02:07:46,880
Speaker 4: collective glazeslazing out in the best way possible. I think about,

2536
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:49,360
Speaker 4: you know, every time my daughter orders a donut, she's

2537
02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:51,240
Speaker 4: like that, my favorite is a La donut.

2538
02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:57,440
Speaker 2: Do you believe in miracles? That is such an iconic answer, sane,

2539
02:07:57,600 --> 02:08:01,879
Speaker 2: it's not a miracle. Okay, work on ie yah, hardwork

2540
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:04,160
Speaker 2: on ice, hard work on the same ring to it.

2541
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2542
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:09,480
Speaker 2: But because I'm Al Michael's iconic fucking miracle call, I

2543
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:12,360
Speaker 2: think we should go relive some of the other greatest

2544
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:15,960
Speaker 2: iconic sports calls. Yes, in the history of the game.

2545
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:18,000
Speaker 2: Starting it off. Who wants to start this, bad boy?

2546
02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:19,640
Speaker 2: I'll start it off, all right?

2547
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:21,360
Speaker 3: All right?

2548
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:27,960
Speaker 2: Down goes Fraser, Down goes Fraser, Down goes Fraser. The

2549
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 2: heavyweight champion is taking the Mandatari eight count. And then

2550
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:37,400
Speaker 2: that was epic bro. That is Howard Cosel from the

2551
02:08:37,480 --> 02:08:42,840
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three Heavyweight Championship Fraser versus Foreman when Foreman

2552
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 2: knocked down Joe Fraser and then went on to win

2553
02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:49,920
Speaker 2: in a second round. E Ko, Down goes Fraser.

2554
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:54,040
Speaker 4: And that's an whole time like that one just pops

2555
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:56,240
Speaker 4: up in random conversations, no matter what.

2556
02:08:56,280 --> 02:08:59,720
Speaker 3: Do you think, if Fraser didn't go down, we get a.

2557
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:08,080
Speaker 2: Like Frazers Hobbleders hobbled. I wonder, I wonder we got

2558
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:09,800
Speaker 2: to that's a whole nother wee could maybe be a

2559
02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:13,480
Speaker 2: Frasier Grill. Maybe they would go after him instead. It

2560
02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:16,840
Speaker 2: was supposed to go to Hulk. I think the story well, yeah,

2561
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 2: he's probably hating that.

2562
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:19,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, the story was, I think his son was sick

2563
02:09:19,960 --> 02:09:22,280
Speaker 4: at school, so Hulk missed the phone call to go

2564
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:25,160
Speaker 4: pick up his son Nick from school, and then they

2565
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:26,160
Speaker 4: ended up sticking Hulk.

2566
02:09:26,040 --> 02:09:29,560
Speaker 2: With like a grill. Yeah it was it, Hogan grill.

2567
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:30,680
Speaker 2: We should have I guess.

2568
02:09:30,760 --> 02:09:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2569
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:34,920
Speaker 4: Wow, man, that that the stranglehold of the Foreman grill

2570
02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:36,440
Speaker 4: had on American household.

2571
02:09:37,560 --> 02:09:42,880
Speaker 2: It is incredible. Frozen patties I put on that thing.

2572
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god. College, Oh my god. And I think

2573
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:50,200
Speaker 2: it was so dirty when you had it in college.

2574
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 3: You're a little Thank god that low.

2575
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:56,240
Speaker 2: That's the next one you got, The next one I got.

2576
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:58,760
Speaker 4: You got to get this next one from Kevin Harlan.

2577
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:01,880
Speaker 4: All right, shall I do this one? This is a

2578
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:02,200
Speaker 4: long one.

2579
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:03,640
Speaker 2: It's a long one. That's why I'm not going it.

2580
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:04,200
Speaker 2: Oh boy.

2581
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:09,600
Speaker 4: This one is from a Rams forty nine Ers Monday

2582
02:10:09,640 --> 02:10:13,400
Speaker 4: Night football game twenty sixteen. There's eleven thirty four left

2583
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:16,720
Speaker 4: in the game. The Rams are in Levi's Stadium playing

2584
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:18,400
Speaker 4: the forty nine Fortyners are hosting.

2585
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:19,400
Speaker 2: They're up twenty one.

2586
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:19,800
Speaker 1: Nothing.

2587
02:10:20,040 --> 02:10:22,360
Speaker 2: This has been like bad game.

2588
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:25,480
Speaker 4: Overall, it's just like kind of boring, nothing much going on,

2589
02:10:25,560 --> 02:10:28,560
Speaker 4: punt fest, blowout, as we can tell by the score

2590
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:31,720
Speaker 4: of twenty one nothing, and a man runs onto the field.

2591
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:36,360
Speaker 4: Kevin Harlan with an iconic call, Hey, somebody has run

2592
02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:38,440
Speaker 4: out on the field. Some goofball and a hat and

2593
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:40,680
Speaker 4: a red shirt. Now he takes off the shirt. He's

2594
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:42,600
Speaker 4: running down the middle of the of the fifty. He's

2595
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:45,640
Speaker 4: at the thirty. He's bare chested, banging on his chest.

2596
02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:48,440
Speaker 4: Now he runs the opposite way. He runs to the fifty,

2597
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:50,680
Speaker 4: he runs to the forty. The guy is drunk, but

2598
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:53,640
Speaker 4: there he goes the twenty. They're chasing him. They're not

2599
02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:57,280
Speaker 4: gonna get him, waving his arms, bare chested. Somebody stop

2600
02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:00,640
Speaker 4: that man. Oh, they got him. They're coming from the left. Oh,

2601
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:03,200
Speaker 4: they tackle him at the forty yard line. That was

2602
02:11:03,240 --> 02:11:07,200
Speaker 4: the most exciting thing that happened tonight. The man is drunk,

2603
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:11,040
Speaker 4: but there you go, like it's just so good that

2604
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:13,919
Speaker 4: normally they cut away from this and the NFL wants

2605
02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:14,680
Speaker 4: nothing to do with it.

2606
02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:16,560
Speaker 2: The broadcast wants nothing to do with that. You can

2607
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:19,040
Speaker 2: still go in the official NFL YouTube page and watch

2608
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:19,560
Speaker 2: this clip.

2609
02:11:19,680 --> 02:11:21,640
Speaker 3: This is a radio. This is a radio broadcast.

2610
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the man is drunk.

2611
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:27,200
Speaker 3: Man is drunk, start showing.

2612
02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:29,800
Speaker 2: I don't know why a show. It's fine, it's probably

2613
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:33,760
Speaker 2: never know because if something that And then also there's

2614
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:36,400
Speaker 2: gonna be one of these times some crazy happens, maybe

2615
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:41,600
Speaker 2: titty out a d L. I gotta say too.

2616
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:45,200
Speaker 4: I'm a streaking purist, baby, you gotta let you gotta

2617
02:11:45,240 --> 02:11:45,840
Speaker 4: hang on baby.

2618
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:47,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you can't just put your shirt behind him?

2619
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, then you're just a jackass. Be a

2620
02:11:50,680 --> 02:11:51,240
Speaker 2: real streaker.

2621
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:54,920
Speaker 4: I have prideate baby, I'm an old school, old school goy.

2622
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:56,600
Speaker 2: Got you want to get what? I don't know either,

2623
02:11:57,160 --> 02:11:57,600
Speaker 2: you'll mean it.

2624
02:11:58,440 --> 02:12:00,160
Speaker 3: I want ah.

2625
02:12:00,200 --> 02:12:02,400
Speaker 2: I like the Kirk Gibson. That's a Kurt Della Russa

2626
02:12:02,440 --> 02:12:05,600
Speaker 2: was named after him? Was he really? Yeah, Kirk, I know,

2627
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 2: but his dad wanted it different. But it was named

2628
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:11,880
Speaker 2: after Kurt or kirk oh sacks fighting on deck? But

2629
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,920
Speaker 2: that game right now? Is that that fight? High fly

2630
02:12:16,200 --> 02:12:21,040
Speaker 2: ball to right field? She is gone, folks, and then he.

2631
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:23,680
Speaker 1: Man.

2632
02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:26,640
Speaker 2: The situation here was Dodgers Athletics World Series Game one,

2633
02:12:26,920 --> 02:12:27,840
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight.

2634
02:12:28,360 --> 02:12:31,560
Speaker 4: LA trailed four to three. Kirk Gibson kids. Kurt the

2635
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:35,080
Speaker 4: pinch hit with a three to two count, two outs

2636
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:38,640
Speaker 4: man on first. That's like the situation you always drop

2637
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:39,440
Speaker 4: up in the backyard.

2638
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:40,040
Speaker 1: Hurt Kirk.

2639
02:12:40,240 --> 02:12:41,040
Speaker 3: He'd been bobbled.

2640
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,440
Speaker 2: He could barely run. Got hurt the series before this,

2641
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, he was like a fucking crazy three sport athlete.

2642
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:48,240
Speaker 2: I heard he was like an insane football player. I

2643
02:12:48,240 --> 02:12:49,960
Speaker 2: did not know that. I heard he could have been

2644
02:12:50,240 --> 02:12:53,960
Speaker 2: like a crazy I think he was like a stud stud.

2645
02:12:54,680 --> 02:12:58,520
Speaker 2: He was a stud. Halick stole the ball. Career put

2646
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 2: in a ball of play. Yeah, we gotta gets out,

2647
02:13:01,400 --> 02:13:03,880
Speaker 2: but Havelick steals it. Have Lick stole the ball.

2648
02:13:03,960 --> 02:13:05,120
Speaker 1: I've Liix stole the ball.

2649
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:06,000
Speaker 2: It's all over.

2650
02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:09,520
Speaker 4: Shout out to Johnny Mose. That's our main man, Hondo

2651
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 4: John halcheck that one just I mean.

2652
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:14,480
Speaker 2: I just mess up that Hala check.

2653
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:15,000
Speaker 1: I think you did.

2654
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:17,680
Speaker 2: But it's all gonna be. You're putting the ball in play.

2655
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:20,680
Speaker 2: He gets out, but have the check steals it. Have

2656
02:13:20,840 --> 02:13:23,600
Speaker 2: a check stone the ball, have the check stone the ball.

2657
02:13:23,680 --> 02:13:26,560
Speaker 2: It's all over. I did it justice. That was awesome.

2658
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:29,280
Speaker 4: Game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals nineteen sixty five

2659
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:33,400
Speaker 4: six or Celtics the Sea's going to beat quilt the still.

2660
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:36,600
Speaker 4: Casey Jones ribbled out the clock in that one. Johnny

2661
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:37,840
Speaker 4: most immortalized that call.

2662
02:13:38,840 --> 02:13:41,840
Speaker 3: I'll do this one fourth and five. The national championship

2663
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:45,240
Speaker 3: is on the line. Right here, He's going for the corner.

2664
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:46,440
Speaker 3: He's got it.

2665
02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:51,000
Speaker 4: That's the iconic call from Keith Jackson. Twenty six seconds left.

2666
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,880
Speaker 4: Texas has the ball, fourth and five from the USC

2667
02:13:54,040 --> 02:13:57,240
Speaker 4: nine yard line. USC was leading thirty eight thirty three

2668
02:13:57,280 --> 02:13:59,800
Speaker 4: at the time. This was for the whole kitting kaboodle

2669
02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:03,760
Speaker 4: O six Rose Bowl USC Texas a game we must

2670
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:05,840
Speaker 4: do on this podcast.

2671
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 2: We got in this part we Vince Young, Yes, Vince

2672
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:12,400
Speaker 2: Young and McConaughey.

2673
02:14:12,640 --> 02:14:15,000
Speaker 3: That would be epics.

2674
02:14:15,400 --> 02:14:18,240
Speaker 2: Ready, I got I got got this last one. I

2675
02:14:18,280 --> 02:14:19,720
Speaker 2: got this last one. All right, you got to do

2676
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:23,040
Speaker 2: this one. They get it back now to the thirty.

2677
02:14:23,880 --> 02:14:27,120
Speaker 2: They're down to the twenty. Oh no, the badness on

2678
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:31,040
Speaker 2: the field. He's gonna go into the end zone. He's

2679
02:14:31,240 --> 02:14:34,160
Speaker 2: got in the end zone. Will it count? The Bears

2680
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:37,600
Speaker 2: have scorned the Bats out of the field. There's are

2681
02:14:37,600 --> 02:14:40,840
Speaker 2: flags all over the place. Everyone is feeling around the field.

2682
02:14:40,920 --> 02:14:43,560
Speaker 3: The Bears is one the Bears have worn.

2683
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:48,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the most exciting, sensational, dramatic, god breaking, exciting,

2684
02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:52,560
Speaker 2: chilli finishing the history of college football. The bat is

2685
02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:53,360
Speaker 2: off the field.

2686
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:57,280
Speaker 4: You put your whole back into that one. Oh my god,

2687
02:14:57,440 --> 02:14:58,960
Speaker 4: eat your heart out, Joe Starkey.

2688
02:14:59,240 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 2: That was awesome. I remember watching this one. I'm not

2689
02:15:02,200 --> 02:15:03,840
Speaker 2: watching it, but this is I grew up in the

2690
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:06,480
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, how how important was this

2691
02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:10,120
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area as a legendary game aka the play,

2692
02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:13,440
Speaker 2: aka the Big Game? You know, considering this was like

2693
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:16,120
Speaker 2: what year was this? This was like, yeah, this is

2694
02:15:16,160 --> 02:15:20,600
Speaker 2: before me, but like everyone around knew this play. Uh

2695
02:15:21,240 --> 02:15:24,240
Speaker 2: not a big college football area, pro sport town, right,

2696
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:27,320
Speaker 2: but you know I knew that everyone knew this play.

2697
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:31,240
Speaker 2: Everyone knew this play. It was crazy and I lost

2698
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:32,600
Speaker 2: my voice from that. That was awesome.

2699
02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:36,960
Speaker 4: I'll get it was quarterback Ron Rivera was in this game,

2700
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:43,560
Speaker 4: and I still don't understand why he had to knockout

2701
02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:44,400
Speaker 4: and the trombone play.

2702
02:15:44,480 --> 02:15:49,680
Speaker 3: Here's here's the real question. Let's say you're returning ant

2703
02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:53,520
Speaker 3: and this happens. What do you what are you doing?

2704
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:57,160
Speaker 2: If I'm returning to punt and this happens, I'm using

2705
02:15:57,200 --> 02:15:58,720
Speaker 2: the guys as defenders.

2706
02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:00,800
Speaker 3: Like you're like taking the band down like a referee.

2707
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:03,960
Speaker 2: Broy, this guy's on. You gotta use the referee as

2708
02:16:04,120 --> 02:16:08,080
Speaker 2: as a Sometimes you pick a little something. You're using

2709
02:16:08,120 --> 02:16:11,480
Speaker 2: whatever's on the field. Don't don't get mad at me.

2710
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:13,040
Speaker 2: You're the player. People are on the field.

2711
02:16:15,680 --> 02:16:19,400
Speaker 4: Put them on skates, weaving through them, and that's Stanford band.

2712
02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:21,000
Speaker 4: You know, there's some there's some wild give.

2713
02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:23,840
Speaker 2: Those are fun. That was so fun. These are these

2714
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:26,840
Speaker 2: are some iconic calls that just like we said, they

2715
02:16:26,840 --> 02:16:27,400
Speaker 2: elevate the.

2716
02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:29,400
Speaker 3: Moment and and we can we just do al Michael's

2717
02:16:29,400 --> 02:16:30,720
Speaker 3: real quick just because we're here.

2718
02:16:30,840 --> 02:16:34,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, do you believe in miracles?

2719
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:36,280
Speaker 3: Yes?

2720
02:16:37,879 --> 02:16:41,959
Speaker 2: I love that one. But I was not tonight by.

2721
02:16:42,480 --> 02:16:45,760
Speaker 3: I was so happy to hear that how faithful. Most

2722
02:16:45,800 --> 02:16:48,279
Speaker 3: of the Miracle movie was to Yeah.

2723
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:52,480
Speaker 2: Stuff that happened, fucking Disney. Tip your cap to Disney.

2724
02:16:52,600 --> 02:16:54,520
Speaker 3: That little Craig Patrick story about the springs.

2725
02:16:54,720 --> 02:16:55,440
Speaker 1: That was interesting.

2726
02:16:55,560 --> 02:16:58,480
Speaker 2: That was interesting. Yeah, you know what, it wasn't about

2727
02:16:58,560 --> 02:17:01,800
Speaker 2: putting the boys in developing the boys. I was developing

2728
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:04,959
Speaker 2: the coach. Sometimes the coach needs to be developing the boys.

2729
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:09,520
Speaker 2: Getting the way of it, Jim Craig watch I fucking

2730
02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:13,120
Speaker 2: love Jim Craig. What a fucking what an episode. Thanks

2731
02:17:13,160 --> 02:17:17,959
Speaker 2: again to Jim Craig. Thank Jim iconic man, iconic not

2732
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:22,600
Speaker 2: like an old bosson accent either, that's true. You can

2733
02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:23,560
Speaker 2: hear it a little thing.

2734
02:17:23,600 --> 02:17:23,760
Speaker 1: You know.

2735
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:25,840
Speaker 2: He lives in Florida. Now he probably hushes it up

2736
02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:27,480
Speaker 2: a little, but I bet you get a little Grandpa's

2737
02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:30,640
Speaker 2: old cough medicine. He sounds like he's from fucking right

2738
02:17:30,680 --> 02:17:33,959
Speaker 2: out in Southee. I bet back in those are turning

2739
02:17:33,959 --> 02:17:35,520
Speaker 2: into hrs are turning.

2740
02:17:35,720 --> 02:17:38,040
Speaker 3: And also shout out to my dad and my dad's friend,

2741
02:17:38,040 --> 02:17:40,080
Speaker 3: Brian Raymond. I was texting them for a lot of

2742
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:43,400
Speaker 3: information for this game. My dad's friend when the team,

2743
02:17:43,680 --> 02:17:46,080
Speaker 3: when the USA beat Russia, him and his buddy got

2744
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:48,879
Speaker 3: in a truck and drove to Lake Placid, the Never Places.

2745
02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:49,760
Speaker 2: They didn't do anything.

2746
02:17:49,959 --> 02:17:51,880
Speaker 3: They slept in the back of their truck. They smelt

2747
02:17:51,959 --> 02:17:55,199
Speaker 3: like gasoline. They able to sneak into the gold medal

2748
02:17:55,560 --> 02:17:57,800
Speaker 3: not the gold medal game, but the bronze medal game,

2749
02:17:58,120 --> 02:18:00,320
Speaker 3: and they were there for the metal ceremony. He wanted

2750
02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:03,720
Speaker 3: me to ask Jim, if you smell gas I didn't

2751
02:18:03,720 --> 02:18:05,960
Speaker 3: think it was appropriate Let's shout out Brian out shout

2752
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:06,520
Speaker 3: out tunk Man.

2753
02:18:06,640 --> 02:18:09,480
Speaker 2: Well Jim, Jim's goalie coach or what he say he

2754
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:11,720
Speaker 2: had is some coach just drove right up. It was

2755
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:14,720
Speaker 2: your was your dad from Lynn, Massachusetts like those people.

2756
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:17,840
Speaker 3: Not far off the city?

2757
02:18:18,400 --> 02:18:23,879
Speaker 2: Baby, Hey Lovelynlyn. That was awesome. That's been another episode

2758
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:27,560
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2759
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2760
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02:18:34,400 --> 02:18:39,400
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