WEBVTT - Behind the Scenes Minis: Dicey Sources 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:04.240 Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:14.960 of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracey V. Wilson 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.799 and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about Unearthed all week 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.880 long this week, Yeah, which is pretty much just how 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.599 on Earth works Now. I felt like I struggled a 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.960 little bit pulling this one together. Yeah, for a number 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.599 of reasons. One was that what I used to do, 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.680 I would go through my whole bookmark manager of things 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.440 I had bookmarked to potentially talk about in Unearthed, and 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.520 I would go through them, and as I found ones 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.400 that were interesting, I would write them up into the episode. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.960 And over the years I have shifted to I go 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.120 through all of those links and the bookmark manager and 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.000 I make one file that's the stuff I'm pretty sure 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:01.640 is going to make it into the episode, and I 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.600 make another file that is maybe stuff to go into 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.759 the episode. But I don't actually start typing anything up 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.360 until I have made a whole pass of all of 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.200 the bookmarks. Gotcha. As I was doing that this time, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.920 I was like, Wow, I am making good time with this. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.240 I am going through them at a good clip. I 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.679 am on task and doing well. And then when I 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.720 went to step two to turn this thing into like 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:35.040 a more workable episode. I realized I had just miscategorized 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.120 some stuff in my haste. The section that we had 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.360 about smells I thought was going to be longer than 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.000 it was. I thought I had five or six things 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.080 that were about smells. One of them I had noted 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:55.320 as being about a first century Cologne No, it was 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.320 about a dig of a first century site in the 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.080 city of Cologne that had nothing to do with aroma. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.680 I think that's a fair accident when you're quickly filing 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.320 zipping through stuff. A couple of the other ones, like 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.840 just either turned out to be really confusing. One of 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.800 them was something like all of them turned out to 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:20.600 be simultaneously under the umbrellas of smells and updates, And 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.960 one of them was something we actually really had talked 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.320 about that exact thing before. It was not new information, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:32.440 So the smells section became short. I also, I have 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:37.480 tried to be more aware of whether something that I'm 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:42.919 reading might be generative AI oh yeah, created, And that's 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.480 been the case for a while. And this is the 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:51.760 first time that I have cut stuff from the episode 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.639 either because the AI disclosure, like there was an AI 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.480 disclosure on the paper that made me go, oh, I 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.160 don't that was not okay, And then in one case 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:07.720 the entire conclusion it was basically like, yeah, so we 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:13.480 asked we asked AI to write what the rules for 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.080 this board game probably were, and I was like, that's okay, 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.960 I could I could ask AI what the rules for 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:26.399 the board game probably were. So I cut that. I'm 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.760 trying not to climb on my AI soapbox and be 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:33.240 really irritated I have. So there have been times on 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:39.880 the show before the development of large language model chatbots, yeah, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.320 where we have talked about things that were connected to 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:48.280 something under the umbrella of AI or machine learning, right, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.080 And a lot of them have had to do with 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:55.560 like there was one that was like, with the permission 0:03:55.600 --> 0:04:00.000 of the traditional owners, drones being sent into caves where 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:05.640 there might be rock art and an algorithm helping to 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.520 detect rock art that the human I might not be 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.120 able to detect on its own, Yeah, and that being 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:15.600 like the preliminary step for the researchers to then like 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.000 look at that and work with the traditional owners to 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:22.760 interpret the artwork. There are like uses of machine learning 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.760 that are cool and interesting, but then when you get 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.039 into things that are like and so we asked a 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.000 chatbot what the rules for this game might have been. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.240 I was out. I was like, Nope, that's not that's 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.640 not what I'm here for. I mean, here's my thing. 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.640 I don't love AI because of how much theft is done. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.680 But yeah, even on a bigger issue, I hope you 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.479 don't want your kids to have clean water, Like, It's 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:57.600 just AI is really environmentally a disaster. Yeah, and I 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.800 know there are some companies in that space trying to 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.560 figure out ways to mitigate it. But as they try 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.919 to figure it out, a kajillion people asking chat gpt 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.520 for casserole recipes are doing so much damage. Like, I 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.880 don't know that we'll ever catch up, So I get 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:20.320 very frustrated. Yeah. One of the things that I'm frustrated by, Well, 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:25.400 there's the thing that is people either asking chat gpt 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:30.400 something that you also could have just put into a 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.719 search engine and there would have been a high quality 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.839 first result you could have read for yourself. There's that 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:42.560 there is the number of absolutely laughably wrong things that 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.680 AI summaries of search results have presented me. With being 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.960 a person that plays video games, I've seen so many 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.640 people show up in video games subreddits being like I'm 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.000 really confused about what to do. I asked AI and 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.480 it said this, and like what the AI has told 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.480 them about video game is flatly wrong. Yeah, and human 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.159 beings wrote a whole walk through, so that's what you 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.800 could have done. So like all of that stuff is 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:13.800 frustrating to me deeply, and like these are not good 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.520 uses of technology. They're not good uses of the resource 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.440 behind the technology. But then the fact that everything that 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:25.320 relates to machine learning and algorithms and that, like it's 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:30.120 all been lumped together under the umbrella of AI. So 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.359 it's really hard to like talk about any of these 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.000 things in a way that makes sense, because like, sometimes 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:41.200 there are things that are not using they like they 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:47.480 don't have the electricity and water usage concerns that generative 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.640 AI large language models do, but because they are lumped 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.960 under the umbrella of AI, like people hear about them 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:58.120 and immediately are upset and all of it is the 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.440 mess it is It is the fact that models have 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.359 been trained on work that was protected by copyright. That's 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.000 a big mess problem. The fact that so many things 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.240 that we have to use in our daily lives now 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.040 have an AI layer that we cannot turn off or 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.840 get away from. A hate. Yeah, I like how we 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:23.040 just definitely veered into the that's a planned to have 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.040 an AI conversation. But here we are. Here we are. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.440 I have lots of art thoughts. When you're ready, Okay, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.880 I have two other things I had noted doubt, and 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.160 then we will get to art. The first is the 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:43.239 descriptions of the vile that contained fecal matter and essential oils. Yeah, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:48.600 gross number one, But the articles that I read about them, 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.200 I felt that a number of writers used adjectives that 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:58.240 were unnecessary and just made reading about it grosser. And 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.200 I was like, I didn't need that evocative additional word there. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.200 We could have just left that out right. So I 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:09.520 just tried to write that as straightforwardly but also non 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:23.520 grossly as possible. Another reason that this became a difficult 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.640 thing to work on is that, for some reason, for 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.160 the first time in years of working on this, I 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.959 just forgot to look at all of my unearthed sources 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.240 for like a month. I think it was maybe when 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.200 we came back from the holidays, I did the I 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.120 wrote up the unearthed for the fourth quarter of twenty 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.199 twenty five and then my brain just kind of checked 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.360 out on Unearthed. And usually it is something that I 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.880 look at at least once a week, and I gradually 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.040 create this you know, list of links over the course 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.000 of the quarter. But I just, I don't know, I 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.760 forgot about it for more than a month, and I 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.320 came to it and I had I had hundreds of 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.960 articles that had kind of backed up, and in the 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.360 course of going through them, I locked myself out of 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.880 one of the websites that publishes things because I opened 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.880 too many pages from them at the same time, and 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.960 they thought I was a bot. So I've tried not 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:29.439 to repeat that experience since that happened. Heavens, yes, you 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.400 talk about art. I do. First, we was talking about 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.360 a thing that's not really art but kind of art 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.520 because you mentioned painting closets. Oh yeah, yeah. I used 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.480 to be very like, why the heck would you ever 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.880 paint a closet? And then I'm going to invoke our 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.920 friend Lily once again. Oh I love Lily. We're going 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.200 on a trip leader this year. I'm very excited. When 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.520 she got her house. You know, we all were kind 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.920 of like house planning to purchases and buying around the 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.839 same time, like she and several of our other friends, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.960 So there was a lot of painting at each other's houses. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.079 And she was very insistent that we paint the closets. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.000 And I was like, this is a waste of time. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.400 Do you know what? Those closets are beautiful and like 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.960 when you look in them, and one is like this 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.640 beautiful raspberry color that has like gold trim on it, 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.120 and it's the prettiest thing you've ever seen. I'm like, Oh, 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.720 we should all be painting our closets anyway, you have 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.400 the energy. Yeah, So friends of ours bought a house 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.400 and they, you know, had some some painting parties. Friends 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:35.199 came over and helped paint. And what I remember was 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.320 like I had painted, I had gone in slightly the 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.839 wrong order. I had painted a bunch of walls that 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.040 you would see if you opened the door to the closet. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.360 But then I realized I was like, oh, but this 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.960 up over here behind me, like that also needs to 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.320 be painted. And I had to kind of contort myself 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:01.040 into the clear way. Yeah, and also try not to 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.840 get onto the paint that I had already painted. Yeah, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.160 that's just I just had sort of neglected to think 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.559 about this one part of the closet wall. But the 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.560 process of painting the closet was also just sort of 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:20.160 tedious and awkward enough that the idea of painting a room. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.520 I mean, it's totally possible that room had another purpose 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.720 before it was used as storage, but the idea of 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:33.080 painting like figurative elements and cinnabar colored bars on the 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.600 interior of the closet, I was like, Nope, that sounds 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.880 like a little too much for me. Okay, now we 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.760 have to talk about Salvador Dali. Okay, yeah, who I'll 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.440 probably never do an episode on because I can't like, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.719 uh huh, it's too much I love. And he's made 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.760 a lot of unearthed appearances. He has, he has, We 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.320 did a really fun episode about him for Criminalia. This 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.200 is not what I intended to talk about. But did 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.920 you know that there was a Dolly, an original Dolly 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.360 on Rikers Island? For years? I heard about this somewhere. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.600 It might have been from you, it might have been me. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.400 That he had made this piece of art for the 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.920 prison because he was supposed to do an appearance there 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.920 for like their art program, and he was sick that day, 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.280 so he made them a piece of art. It ended 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.280 up getting stolen. It's lost forever. We don't know where 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.880 it is. I have a weird follow up that is 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.960 I will tell you later because I met someone who 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.560 claims to know someone who was involved, yeah, in the theft, 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.839 even though they all got off Anyway, Here's what I 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:40.000 want to talk about though, the scale of that painting. Yeah, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.920 it was acquired because one of the things if you 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.920 go to Saint Petersburg, Florida, and you don't go to 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.760 the Dolli Museum, whether you were a fan of his 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.920 work or not, you're doing yourself a disservice. For two reasons. One, 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:58.360 I have always contended that if Dolly were not as 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.880 out going and flamboyant as he was, and he wanted 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.800 to just keep his life on the DL, he could 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.640 have been a completely rich art forger. Yeah, because when 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.440 he was young, one of the things he did to 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.800 learn his skill and to learn technique was to make 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.720 copies of famous pieces of work. And they are good copies. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.720 Like he could like we think about his work and 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.040 it being you know, his very surrealist stuff, but like 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.719 this man could paint you a fake. Sayson and you 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.160 wouldn't know the difference. He could paint you at Caravaggio 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.760 and you wouldn't know the difference. But what really blows 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.000 you away when you're in that space is the scale 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.240 of some of his paintings, like Hallucinogenic Torriodor, which is 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.000 my possibly my favorite painting on the face of the planet. Well, 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.560 just rock you back. It's so big and there's so 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.000 much visually to take in that. Now I'm like, I 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.800 gotta go. Are they gonna display the because they have to, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.600 because I gotta go. I gotta go. And I'm trying 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.079 to think of where they would put it because it's 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.400 not an infinitely large music like, it's a good size, 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.000 but I'm like, where do you even put something like that? 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.320 They'll figure it out. It'll be beautiful. I can't wait. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.079 The second thing I wanted to talk about is that 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.880 I'm really excited because I'm going back to Italy, not 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.680 for a work trip but with my best friend because 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.560 we're going through our art bucket lists, like the things 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.080 we want to see in person before we are no 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.360 longer on this planet or you know, able to travel. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.080 And one of my big most of this is her 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.720 list because I have been more recently than her. But 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.280 my big thing that I'm doing on this trip is 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.360 I want to compare the Caravaggio Judas laying halo fair 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:46.720 names with the Gentileski. Yeah. I mean, I have looked 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.400 at the images before, but I want to see them 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.840 in person. You know. Part of it is that, like 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.920 Gentileski is like twenty years later than him, there's actually 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:02.480 a slight familial connection between her father and Caravaggio, and 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.720 she really you know, took that concept of tenebrism and 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.880 like went to a new level with it in some ways. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.560 But also, you know, he was a violent man, we know, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:16.400 very very prone to outbursts of violence. But I kind 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.960 of chuckle because his version of that the women look 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:25.120 a little almost timid about what they're doing, whereas we know, 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.720 because we did an episode on Artemisia Gentileski that like, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.040 there are actually two versions of that biblical story that 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.760 she's painted. One is the beheading, one is the slaying. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.040 Those are the two titles in there in different places. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.240 I think I'm going to see the beheading hers, which 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.920 we know was It has been considered over the years 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.280 as a kind of a protest piece of art and 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.320 a way to work through her feelings about having been 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:56.160 sexually assaulted like those women are. One of the women 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.760 is like kneeling on his chest like it is visceral, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.920 and so I cannot yeah wait to see these two 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.640 in person. That's just me wanting to talk about art. 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.160 But here's the question I want to ask you, Okay, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.560 because you also have some cool travel coming up. Are 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.600 you going to go see the Elgin Marbles at the 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.600 British Museum while you're in London? I don't know. We 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:31.040 we have not planned anything other than we have plane tickets. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.840 We have a hotel for part of the stay because 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.000 we are going because Patrick is going to be at 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.480 an event. So that like that part of the hotel 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:47.600 stay is purchased and the our air travel is purchased. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.760 And once I bought plane tickets, I was like, all right, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.480 I got some other things that I need to work 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.040 on right now. Will come back to planning the strip later. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:03.160 And I haven't decided what I want to do exactly yet. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.720 So I mean, the British Museum is a great place 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.240 to get lost for the day. Yeah, there's a lot 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.679 of interesting stuff you can go, you know, pay your 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.920 respects to the ghost of Mike the Cat. You can. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.000 I certainly have a list of interesting things that I 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.840 like to do. There are you gonna go see the dinosaurs? 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.520 I don't know what I'm gonna do. I haven't decided anything. 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.320 Uh uh, because you have some time to yourself right 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.439 while he's working is yet. Yeah, well, but the time 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.840 that I have to myself, we won't be in London. Ah, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.760 so yeah, yeah, we really need to sit down and 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:47.160 like look at things. Because because I bought plane tickets 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.159 and then was like, all right, we'll figure out all 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.040 the other steps later, and then we have not figured 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.639 out other steps. Eh, that's fair. I bought the plane 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.240 tickets for our trip to Italy and then my best 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.280 friend is handling most of the rest of it. Yeah, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.879 and I'm like, bless you, you beautiful creature, because I'm yeah, 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:10.199 my brain cannot right now. Yeah. My trips outside of 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:15.320 the United States, with the exception of our honeymoon, for 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.840 the last decade, have all been work trips. So there 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.399 has not been a trip where we have left the 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.640 country and and I have needed to plan anything because 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.280 Michael has been planning it and you and I have 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.840 been hosting it. Based on the work of Michael and 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:36.879 Michael's team. Yeah, and our honeymoon. Patrick basically planned it, 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.720 but we also had We went to Iceland, and we 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.040 had kind of a bucket list of things that we 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.840 wanted to do while we were there. But then other 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.720 than that, we did not plan things other than where 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:52.240 we were staying each night, and we just explored as 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.000 we winged it. Yo, Like, we had our lodging arranged 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.000 and we had some things we definitely wanted to do, 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.280 and then we just like explored Iceland, which was a 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.639 lot of fun. You can do that in London, for sure. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.119 It's a ton of great places to eat. Yeah, we 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.439 do need to figure out where we're staying. That's the 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.639 thing that we should handle soon. Yeah, but yeah, I 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.080 don't I don't know the rest of it yet. We 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:19.919 did make one trip to Canada in that we flew 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:24.960 to Buffalo Niagara Airport to go elsewhere in New York, 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.320 and because we were right there, we walked across the 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.280 bridge into Canada and had lunch in Canada and then 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.840 we came back with the rest of the way to 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.560 where we're going in New York. I can't wait to 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.520 find out where all you end up going in London. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.640 I love that city so much. Yeah, there's so many great, 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.399 great things to do there, just great places to hang. Yeah, 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.480 great cocktail culture, great, great fun. I've had great fun 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.879 in that city. We'll figure it all out. Yeah, you know, 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:59.880 as long as the world is still happening, lets us get, 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:06.560 let us go. I will say, I just flew. We 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.600 recently released an episode where we talked about the TSA 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.080 and how easy Brosie it could be, and it was recorded, 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.119 and we put a note in front of that behind 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.040 the scenes that we had recorded it before the shutdown 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.000 had ground everything to a halt and like Atlanta was 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:25.080 having four and five hour weights and whatnot. But I 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.800 recently traveled for we went away from my husband's birthday 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:30.720 and we were like kind of white knuckling it because 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:35.920 we didn't know if things would would be righted by then. Yeah, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.640 we had a one minute weight at security. It worked out. 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.760 We got so lucky. Yeah, so lucky. It was so 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.440 easy for us that I almost felt bad. I had 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.679 the early stage of it, yeah, where it was like 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:54.280 a two hour weight, although I had ticket that let 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.359 me not do that, Like I had a Sky priority, 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.399 so I was not too bad. But I saw the 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.040 early stage and I can't imagine the long ones. So 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.159 my hat is off and my heart goes out to 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.399 anybody that had to wait in those lines. Yeah. I 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:12.320 had a trip that was similarly during the earlier stages, 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:18.000 and it was none of my issues had to do 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:25.640 with TSA or or wait times. There was a crew 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.520 scheduling issue, and so my flight there got canceled, and 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.360 then there was weather and my flight home got canceled. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.480 It's just bad luck. It was just yeah, yeah, And 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:42.080 I fortunately had enough loyalty points to get a free 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:50.879 hotel for the night that I was stranded in Raleigh. Anyway, anyway, Wait, 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.399 the airline didn't put you up, no, because it was weather, 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:59.600 all right. They did compensate me for the canceled flight. 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:08.400 That was a staffing issue that was there. Gotcha anyway. Anyway, 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.840 whatever is happening on your weekend, I hope there are 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:16.119 no canceled flights and no delayed flights and no long 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:20.600 lines of any kind. That things are going as well 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:25.920 as possible. 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