1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracey V. Wilson 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about Unearthed all week 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: long this week, Yeah, which is pretty much just how 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: on Earth works Now. I felt like I struggled a 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: little bit pulling this one together. Yeah, for a number 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: of reasons. One was that what I used to do, 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: I would go through my whole bookmark manager of things 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: I had bookmarked to potentially talk about in Unearthed, and 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: I would go through them, and as I found ones 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: that were interesting, I would write them up into the episode. 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: And over the years I have shifted to I go 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: through all of those links and the bookmark manager and 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: I make one file that's the stuff I'm pretty sure 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: is going to make it into the episode, and I 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: make another file that is maybe stuff to go into 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: the episode. But I don't actually start typing anything up 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: until I have made a whole pass of all of 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: the bookmarks. Gotcha. As I was doing that this time, 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I am making good time with this. 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: I am going through them at a good clip. I 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: am on task and doing well. And then when I 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: went to step two to turn this thing into like 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: a more workable episode. I realized I had just miscategorized 25 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: some stuff in my haste. The section that we had 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: about smells I thought was going to be longer than 27 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: it was. I thought I had five or six things 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: that were about smells. One of them I had noted 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: as being about a first century Cologne No, it was 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: about a dig of a first century site in the 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: city of Cologne that had nothing to do with aroma. 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair accident when you're quickly filing 33 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: zipping through stuff. A couple of the other ones, like 34 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: just either turned out to be really confusing. One of 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: them was something like all of them turned out to 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: be simultaneously under the umbrellas of smells and updates, And 37 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: one of them was something we actually really had talked 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: about that exact thing before. It was not new information, 39 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: So the smells section became short. I also, I have 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: tried to be more aware of whether something that I'm 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: reading might be generative AI oh yeah, created, And that's 42 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: been the case for a while. And this is the 43 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: first time that I have cut stuff from the episode 44 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: either because the AI disclosure, like there was an AI 45 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: disclosure on the paper that made me go, oh, I 46 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: don't that was not okay, And then in one case 47 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: the entire conclusion it was basically like, yeah, so we 48 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: asked we asked AI to write what the rules for 49 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: this board game probably were, and I was like, that's okay, 50 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I could I could ask AI what the rules for 51 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: the board game probably were. So I cut that. I'm 52 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: trying not to climb on my AI soapbox and be 53 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: really irritated I have. So there have been times on 54 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: the show before the development of large language model chatbots, yeah, 55 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: where we have talked about things that were connected to 56 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: something under the umbrella of AI or machine learning, right, 57 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: And a lot of them have had to do with 58 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: like there was one that was like, with the permission 59 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: of the traditional owners, drones being sent into caves where 60 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: there might be rock art and an algorithm helping to 61 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: detect rock art that the human I might not be 62 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: able to detect on its own, Yeah, and that being 63 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: like the preliminary step for the researchers to then like 64 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: look at that and work with the traditional owners to 65 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: interpret the artwork. There are like uses of machine learning 66 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: that are cool and interesting, but then when you get 67 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: into things that are like and so we asked a 68 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: chatbot what the rules for this game might have been. 69 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: I was out. I was like, Nope, that's not that's 70 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: not what I'm here for. I mean, here's my thing. 71 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: I don't love AI because of how much theft is done. 72 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, even on a bigger issue, I hope you 73 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: don't want your kids to have clean water, Like, It's 74 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: just AI is really environmentally a disaster. Yeah, and I 75 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: know there are some companies in that space trying to 76 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: figure out ways to mitigate it. But as they try 77 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: to figure it out, a kajillion people asking chat gpt 78 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: for casserole recipes are doing so much damage. Like, I 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: don't know that we'll ever catch up, So I get 80 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: very frustrated. Yeah. One of the things that I'm frustrated by, Well, 81 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: there's the thing that is people either asking chat gpt 82 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: something that you also could have just put into a 83 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: search engine and there would have been a high quality 84 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: first result you could have read for yourself. There's that 85 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: there is the number of absolutely laughably wrong things that 86 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: AI summaries of search results have presented me. With being 87 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: a person that plays video games, I've seen so many 88 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: people show up in video games subreddits being like I'm 89 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: really confused about what to do. I asked AI and 90 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: it said this, and like what the AI has told 91 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: them about video game is flatly wrong. Yeah, and human 92 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: beings wrote a whole walk through, so that's what you 93 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: could have done. So like all of that stuff is 94 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: frustrating to me deeply, and like these are not good 95 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: uses of technology. They're not good uses of the resource 96 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: behind the technology. But then the fact that everything that 97 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: relates to machine learning and algorithms and that, like it's 98 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: all been lumped together under the umbrella of AI. So 99 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: it's really hard to like talk about any of these 100 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: things in a way that makes sense, because like, sometimes 101 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: there are things that are not using they like they 102 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: don't have the electricity and water usage concerns that generative 103 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: AI large language models do, but because they are lumped 104 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: under the umbrella of AI, like people hear about them 105 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: and immediately are upset and all of it is the 106 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: mess it is It is the fact that models have 107 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: been trained on work that was protected by copyright. That's 108 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: a big mess problem. The fact that so many things 109 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: that we have to use in our daily lives now 110 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: have an AI layer that we cannot turn off or 111 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: get away from. A hate. Yeah, I like how we 112 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: just definitely veered into the that's a planned to have 113 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: an AI conversation. But here we are. Here we are. 114 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: I have lots of art thoughts. When you're ready, Okay, 115 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I have two other things I had noted doubt, and 116 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: then we will get to art. The first is the 117 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: descriptions of the vile that contained fecal matter and essential oils. Yeah, 118 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: gross number one, But the articles that I read about them, 119 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: I felt that a number of writers used adjectives that 120 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: were unnecessary and just made reading about it grosser. And 121 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't need that evocative additional word there. 122 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: We could have just left that out right. So I 123 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: just tried to write that as straightforwardly but also non 124 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: grossly as possible. Another reason that this became a difficult 125 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: thing to work on is that, for some reason, for 126 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: the first time in years of working on this, I 127 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: just forgot to look at all of my unearthed sources 128 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: for like a month. I think it was maybe when 129 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: we came back from the holidays, I did the I 130 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: wrote up the unearthed for the fourth quarter of twenty 131 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: twenty five and then my brain just kind of checked 132 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: out on Unearthed. And usually it is something that I 133 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: look at at least once a week, and I gradually 134 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: create this you know, list of links over the course 135 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: of the quarter. But I just, I don't know, I 136 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: forgot about it for more than a month, and I 137 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: came to it and I had I had hundreds of 138 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: articles that had kind of backed up, and in the 139 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: course of going through them, I locked myself out of 140 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: one of the websites that publishes things because I opened 141 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: too many pages from them at the same time, and 142 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: they thought I was a bot. So I've tried not 143 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: to repeat that experience since that happened. Heavens, yes, you 144 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: talk about art. I do. First, we was talking about 145 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: a thing that's not really art but kind of art 146 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: because you mentioned painting closets. Oh yeah, yeah. I used 147 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: to be very like, why the heck would you ever 148 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: paint a closet? And then I'm going to invoke our 149 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: friend Lily once again. Oh I love Lily. We're going 150 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: on a trip leader this year. I'm very excited. When 151 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: she got her house. You know, we all were kind 152 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: of like house planning to purchases and buying around the 153 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: same time, like she and several of our other friends, 154 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: So there was a lot of painting at each other's houses. 155 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: And she was very insistent that we paint the closets. 156 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is a waste of time. 157 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: Do you know what? Those closets are beautiful and like 158 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: when you look in them, and one is like this 159 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: beautiful raspberry color that has like gold trim on it, 160 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: and it's the prettiest thing you've ever seen. I'm like, Oh, 161 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: we should all be painting our closets anyway, you have 162 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: the energy. Yeah, So friends of ours bought a house 163 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: and they, you know, had some some painting parties. Friends 164 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: came over and helped paint. And what I remember was 165 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: like I had painted, I had gone in slightly the 166 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: wrong order. I had painted a bunch of walls that 167 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: you would see if you opened the door to the closet. 168 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: But then I realized I was like, oh, but this 169 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: up over here behind me, like that also needs to 170 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: be painted. And I had to kind of contort myself 171 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: into the clear way. Yeah, and also try not to 172 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: get onto the paint that I had already painted. Yeah, 173 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: that's just I just had sort of neglected to think 174 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: about this one part of the closet wall. But the 175 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: process of painting the closet was also just sort of 176 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: tedious and awkward enough that the idea of painting a room. 177 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's totally possible that room had another purpose 178 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: before it was used as storage, but the idea of 179 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: painting like figurative elements and cinnabar colored bars on the 180 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: interior of the closet, I was like, Nope, that sounds 181 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: like a little too much for me. Okay, now we 182 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: have to talk about Salvador Dali. Okay, yeah, who I'll 183 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: probably never do an episode on because I can't like, 184 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: uh huh, it's too much I love. And he's made 185 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: a lot of unearthed appearances. He has, he has, We 186 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: did a really fun episode about him for Criminalia. This 187 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: is not what I intended to talk about. But did 188 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: you know that there was a Dolly, an original Dolly 189 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: on Rikers Island? For years? I heard about this somewhere. 190 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: It might have been from you, it might have been me. 191 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: That he had made this piece of art for the 192 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: prison because he was supposed to do an appearance there 193 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: for like their art program, and he was sick that day, 194 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: so he made them a piece of art. It ended 195 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: up getting stolen. It's lost forever. We don't know where 196 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: it is. I have a weird follow up that is 197 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: I will tell you later because I met someone who 198 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: claims to know someone who was involved, yeah, in the theft, 199 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: even though they all got off Anyway, Here's what I 200 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: want to talk about though, the scale of that painting. Yeah, 201 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: it was acquired because one of the things if you 202 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: go to Saint Petersburg, Florida, and you don't go to 203 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: the Dolli Museum, whether you were a fan of his 204 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: work or not, you're doing yourself a disservice. For two reasons. One, 205 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: I have always contended that if Dolly were not as 206 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: out going and flamboyant as he was, and he wanted 207 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: to just keep his life on the DL, he could 208 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: have been a completely rich art forger. Yeah, because when 209 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: he was young, one of the things he did to 210 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: learn his skill and to learn technique was to make 211 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: copies of famous pieces of work. And they are good copies. 212 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: Like he could like we think about his work and 213 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: it being you know, his very surrealist stuff, but like 214 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: this man could paint you a fake. Sayson and you 215 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't know the difference. He could paint you at Caravaggio 216 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't know the difference. But what really blows 217 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: you away when you're in that space is the scale 218 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: of some of his paintings, like Hallucinogenic Torriodor, which is 219 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: my possibly my favorite painting on the face of the planet. Well, 220 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: just rock you back. It's so big and there's so 221 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: much visually to take in that. Now I'm like, I 222 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: gotta go. Are they gonna display the because they have to, 223 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: because I gotta go. I gotta go. And I'm trying 224 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: to think of where they would put it because it's 225 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: not an infinitely large music like, it's a good size, 226 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: but I'm like, where do you even put something like that? 227 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: They'll figure it out. It'll be beautiful. I can't wait. 228 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: The second thing I wanted to talk about is that 229 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm really excited because I'm going back to Italy, not 230 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: for a work trip but with my best friend because 231 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: we're going through our art bucket lists, like the things 232 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: we want to see in person before we are no 233 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: longer on this planet or you know, able to travel. 234 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: And one of my big most of this is her 235 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: list because I have been more recently than her. But 236 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: my big thing that I'm doing on this trip is 237 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: I want to compare the Caravaggio Judas laying halo fair 238 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: names with the Gentileski. Yeah. I mean, I have looked 239 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: at the images before, but I want to see them 240 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: in person. You know. Part of it is that, like 241 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: Gentileski is like twenty years later than him, there's actually 242 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: a slight familial connection between her father and Caravaggio, and 243 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: she really you know, took that concept of tenebrism and 244 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: like went to a new level with it in some ways. 245 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: But also, you know, he was a violent man, we know, 246 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: very very prone to outbursts of violence. But I kind 247 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: of chuckle because his version of that the women look 248 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: a little almost timid about what they're doing, whereas we know, 249 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: because we did an episode on Artemisia Gentileski that like, 250 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: there are actually two versions of that biblical story that 251 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: she's painted. One is the beheading, one is the slaying. 252 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: Those are the two titles in there in different places. 253 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to see the beheading hers, which 254 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: we know was It has been considered over the years 255 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: as a kind of a protest piece of art and 256 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: a way to work through her feelings about having been 257 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted like those women are. One of the women 258 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: is like kneeling on his chest like it is visceral, 259 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: and so I cannot yeah wait to see these two 260 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: in person. That's just me wanting to talk about art. 261 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: But here's the question I want to ask you, Okay, 262 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: because you also have some cool travel coming up. Are 263 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: you going to go see the Elgin Marbles at the 264 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: British Museum while you're in London? I don't know. We 265 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: we have not planned anything other than we have plane tickets. 266 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: We have a hotel for part of the stay because 267 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: we are going because Patrick is going to be at 268 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: an event. So that like that part of the hotel 269 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: stay is purchased and the our air travel is purchased. 270 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: And once I bought plane tickets, I was like, all right, 271 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: I got some other things that I need to work 272 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: on right now. Will come back to planning the strip later. 273 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: And I haven't decided what I want to do exactly yet. 274 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: So I mean, the British Museum is a great place 275 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: to get lost for the day. Yeah, there's a lot 276 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: of interesting stuff you can go, you know, pay your 277 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: respects to the ghost of Mike the Cat. You can. 278 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: I certainly have a list of interesting things that I 279 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: like to do. There are you gonna go see the dinosaurs? 280 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna do. I haven't decided anything. 281 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: Uh uh, because you have some time to yourself right 282 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: while he's working is yet. Yeah, well, but the time 283 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: that I have to myself, we won't be in London. Ah, 284 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, we really need to sit down and 285 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: like look at things. Because because I bought plane tickets 286 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: and then was like, all right, we'll figure out all 287 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: the other steps later, and then we have not figured 288 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: out other steps. Eh, that's fair. I bought the plane 289 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: tickets for our trip to Italy and then my best 290 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: friend is handling most of the rest of it. Yeah, 291 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: and I'm like, bless you, you beautiful creature, because I'm yeah, 292 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: my brain cannot right now. Yeah. My trips outside of 293 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: the United States, with the exception of our honeymoon, for 294 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: the last decade, have all been work trips. So there 295 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: has not been a trip where we have left the 296 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: country and and I have needed to plan anything because 297 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: Michael has been planning it and you and I have 298 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: been hosting it. Based on the work of Michael and 299 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: Michael's team. Yeah, and our honeymoon. Patrick basically planned it, 300 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: but we also had We went to Iceland, and we 301 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: had kind of a bucket list of things that we 302 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: wanted to do while we were there. But then other 303 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: than that, we did not plan things other than where 304 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: we were staying each night, and we just explored as 305 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: we winged it. Yo, Like, we had our lodging arranged 306 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: and we had some things we definitely wanted to do, 307 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: and then we just like explored Iceland, which was a 308 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: lot of fun. You can do that in London, for sure. 309 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: It's a ton of great places to eat. Yeah, we 310 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: do need to figure out where we're staying. That's the 311 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: thing that we should handle soon. Yeah, but yeah, I 312 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: don't I don't know the rest of it yet. We 313 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: did make one trip to Canada in that we flew 314 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: to Buffalo Niagara Airport to go elsewhere in New York, 315 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: and because we were right there, we walked across the 316 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: bridge into Canada and had lunch in Canada and then 317 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: we came back with the rest of the way to 318 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: where we're going in New York. I can't wait to 319 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: find out where all you end up going in London. 320 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: I love that city so much. Yeah, there's so many great, 321 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: great things to do there, just great places to hang. Yeah, 322 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: great cocktail culture, great, great fun. I've had great fun 323 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: in that city. We'll figure it all out. Yeah, you know, 324 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: as long as the world is still happening, lets us get, 325 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: let us go. I will say, I just flew. We 326 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: recently released an episode where we talked about the TSA 327 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: and how easy Brosie it could be, and it was recorded, 328 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: and we put a note in front of that behind 329 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: the scenes that we had recorded it before the shutdown 330 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: had ground everything to a halt and like Atlanta was 331 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: having four and five hour weights and whatnot. But I 332 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: recently traveled for we went away from my husband's birthday 333 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: and we were like kind of white knuckling it because 334 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: we didn't know if things would would be righted by then. Yeah, 335 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: we had a one minute weight at security. It worked out. 336 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: We got so lucky. Yeah, so lucky. It was so 337 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: easy for us that I almost felt bad. I had 338 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: the early stage of it, yeah, where it was like 339 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: a two hour weight, although I had ticket that let 340 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: me not do that, Like I had a Sky priority, 341 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: so I was not too bad. But I saw the 342 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: early stage and I can't imagine the long ones. So 343 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: my hat is off and my heart goes out to 344 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: anybody that had to wait in those lines. Yeah. I 345 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: had a trip that was similarly during the earlier stages, 346 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: and it was none of my issues had to do 347 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: with TSA or or wait times. There was a crew 348 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: scheduling issue, and so my flight there got canceled, and 349 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: then there was weather and my flight home got canceled. 350 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: It's just bad luck. It was just yeah, yeah, And 351 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: I fortunately had enough loyalty points to get a free 352 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: hotel for the night that I was stranded in Raleigh. Anyway, anyway, Wait, 353 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: the airline didn't put you up, no, because it was weather, 354 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: all right. They did compensate me for the canceled flight. 355 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: That was a staffing issue that was there. Gotcha anyway. Anyway, 356 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: whatever is happening on your weekend, I hope there are 357 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: no canceled flights and no delayed flights and no long 358 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: lines of any kind. That things are going as well 359 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: as possible. We are recording in the midst of just 360 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: continual global chaos, but also the joy of spaceflight. Yeah, 361 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: so you know, I hope you're able to find some joy, 362 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: have some good things going on. We will be back 363 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: on Monday with a brand new episode. You will also 364 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: have a Saturday Classic tomorrow. Stuff You Missed in History 365 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 366 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 367 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.