WEBVTT - Selects: How Color Works

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<v Speaker 1>Hi everybody, This is Chuck here. Happy Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're doing well. Do you want to know

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<v Speaker 2>how color works? There's a lot to it and you

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<v Speaker 2>can learn it all right now. This one is from

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<v Speaker 2>May twenty first, twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W.

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<v Speaker 4>Chuck Bryant and Jerry and it's stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Color and technical color.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which is really something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tea technical.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, imagine what it was like back then. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll debut.

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<v Speaker 4>Just melted people's eyes all bait probably did. You're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 4>how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how are you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good. I'm tired, but I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to precurely to study.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I had to get up early to make

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<v Speaker 2>the cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>What oh you know it's just saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't wait, wait, who's saying, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Make the cheese, make the sausage, make the doughnuts.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard make the doughnuts.

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<v Speaker 1>You never heard make the sausage.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard you don't want to see how the sausage

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<v Speaker 4>is made.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just pick anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Make the cheese, I don't think so cut the cheese,

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<v Speaker 4>milk the cow. People get up early for that, so

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<v Speaker 4>I guess there's that association.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever milked a cow?

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<v Speaker 4>No? Have you? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to Emily about that the other day

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<v Speaker 2>because we went horse riding and I'd never ridden a

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<v Speaker 2>horse before.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, it's pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, it's my.

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<v Speaker 2>New favorite thing. Yeah, it was amazing how awesome it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you jump over anything on the horse?

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<v Speaker 1>No? But we like, you know, trotted up a hill.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you shoot a bow and arrow?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I almost fell off though.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah when he trotted up the hill, I got

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of loose in the saddle, as they say.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, whoa, okay, well that's exactly what you

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<v Speaker 4>should said, as woe.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, he was going uphill, so I had to

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<v Speaker 2>just keep on trucking. Really, yeah, I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>stop him. Good for you, man, he was carrying a load.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt bad for the horse.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure he was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah what was his name?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm kicking myself like a horse because I called

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<v Speaker 2>this horse by his name the whole day, and now

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember Calvin.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we'd bonded. I guess I was just pretending.

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<v Speaker 4>That's cool. The horse probably can't remember your name either.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he took a big dump. They do that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then just stopped. And I was like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you stopping for?

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, oh, oh, you're lucky even stop

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes they just walk and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, all of the ones on our little ride stopped.

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<v Speaker 4>To poop, which I thought was maybe I'm confusing them

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<v Speaker 4>with another animal humans just walking poop at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, it was my favorite new thing. I loved it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's cool, man, I felt very at home. What color

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<v Speaker 4>was the horse?

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<v Speaker 1>The spotted ones, which I love, man.

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<v Speaker 4>I was hoping you were gonna say, like blue or

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<v Speaker 4>red or something easy?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you smashed the table?

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go with blue? Okay, blue?

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<v Speaker 1>It was a blue horse.

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<v Speaker 4>So allow me to explain why your horse appeared blue. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>As Newton figured out, that horse was not inherently blue.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing inherently blue about that horse. Yeah, it's all

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<v Speaker 4>in our perception.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because color technically doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 4>It exists in our minds.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, the perception of color does exactly, But like

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<v Speaker 2>an apple isn't just there's nothing in the apple that's red.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, chuck, And there's nothing in your horse that made

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<v Speaker 4>it blue. Now, what happens is that color is basically

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<v Speaker 4>our perception of a specific wavelength of visible light.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>And visible light is just part of the electromagnetic spectrum

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<v Speaker 4>that includes everything from microwaves to radio waves, to gamma rays.

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<v Speaker 1>To ocean waves.

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<v Speaker 4>Not quite, but visible light is part of that wavepools. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>just those things that I said. Okay, So along that

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<v Speaker 4>spectrum is this very narrow little slice that's visible light.

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<v Speaker 4>And invisible light which we see is like white light, sunlight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it is the presence of the rainbow, which are called

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<v Speaker 4>the spectral colors.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right.

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<v Speaker 2>On one end, you have the short wavelength, which is blue.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other end, you have the long wavelengths, which is.

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<v Speaker 4>Red technically violet.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other side, well, red has a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>different names. When you start reading in the color.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no blue on the blue side, it's like starts

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<v Speaker 4>at violet. But we don't perceive it very well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I'm talking about what humans can see, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then everything else is in between.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and what's really in the middle, Like yellow, Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>it seems like yellow is kind of in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When you think, you tell me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, on the other end, beyond violet, you've got ultraviolet,

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<v Speaker 4>and beyond red, you've got infrared.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these are things we can't see.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we can't. Some animals can, remember they think monarch

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<v Speaker 4>butterflies are able to migrate all the way to Mexico

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<v Speaker 4>using ultraviolet detecting ultraviolet. I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, man, that was a good episode, pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>So this band of light, this visible spectrum, contains the

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<v Speaker 4>spectral colors which we perceive, right, And for a very

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<v Speaker 4>long time, everybody just thought, well, that apple's red or

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<v Speaker 4>that horse is blue. That's just how it's born. There's

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<v Speaker 4>nothing that can be done about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then like we said, along came Newton, and Newton said, no,

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<v Speaker 4>something weird's going on here. Like you said, color doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>really exist. It's in the eye of the beholder almost literally. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And the reason why an apple seems red or your

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<v Speaker 4>horse seems blue are because of natural chemicals found in

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<v Speaker 4>say the skin of the apple or the hide to

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<v Speaker 4>the horse. That are called pigments. So in an apple, specifically,

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<v Speaker 4>it's anthrocyanins that make it red. In the case of

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<v Speaker 4>a carrot, it's carotenoids, in the case of grass, it's chlorophyll.

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<v Speaker 4>And these pigments have the capability of absorbing some wavelengths

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<v Speaker 4>of light and reflecting others back. And the wavelength that

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<v Speaker 4>it reflects back are the colors that we perceive.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's if it's an object that is opaque.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, that's a big one right there. Yeah, apples

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<v Speaker 4>are pretty opaque.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say, so that's your Superman maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, heats invisible see through apples. Oh yeah he can.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I get your joke now? So yeah, with an

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<v Speaker 4>opaque object, where light doesn't pass all the way through,

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<v Speaker 4>some lights reflected back. So in the case of anthracyanins,

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<v Speaker 4>this pigment absorbs all the other wavelengths of light except red,

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<v Speaker 4>and it reflects red back, and so red is reflected back.

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<v Speaker 4>So what you see when you look at this apple

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<v Speaker 4>with all the red light reflecting back at you is

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<v Speaker 4>a red apple, that's right. That's how we perceive color

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<v Speaker 4>in the world around us. Naturally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if it's transparent, it's not reflecting that light

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<v Speaker 2>but transmitting it. So it depends on the color of

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<v Speaker 2>light that's passing through it instead of reflecting back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and again it's that chemical makeup.

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<v Speaker 2>It operates in sort of the same way, right, It's

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<v Speaker 2>just not like in an apple skin, let's say.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly. But it all comes to do It comes

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<v Speaker 4>down to basically pigments or whatever natural chemical or mineral

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<v Speaker 4>that either absorbs or reflects certain wavelengths of light.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's the thing though, Chuck, Like that can happen

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<v Speaker 4>all day long, and as long as there's not a

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<v Speaker 4>human or a monkey, or a dolphin or a dog,

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<v Speaker 4>because dogs are not colorblind, that's right. They see and

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<v Speaker 4>colors than we do, but they're not color blind.

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<v Speaker 1>I always wonder how they do this tests animals.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure it's pretty easy to find out,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just didn't have time to look into it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with you. Yeah, this is like in massive black

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<v Speaker 4>hole of information, Like you could just keep going and

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<v Speaker 4>going and going with colors such a huge expansive topic

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<v Speaker 4>that we could just do nothing, but color episodes for

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<v Speaker 4>the next several months. If we wanted to do you

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<v Speaker 4>want to kill me?

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<v Speaker 1>I may not make it through today's.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're doing great. This is fine, This is great, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a very like big subject. Yes it is, man,

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<v Speaker 4>We're just we're providing a brief overview of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>So, like I was saying, things can reflect color all

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<v Speaker 4>the time, but as long as there's not something there

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<v Speaker 4>to perceive it, is there any Is there really any

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<v Speaker 4>color there? Well that's a philosophical question, but there's an

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<v Speaker 4>answer to it, and the answer is no.

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<v Speaker 1>If a tree falls in the woods and no one's

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<v Speaker 1>around to hear, it doesn't make a noise.

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<v Speaker 4>No. Actually, my opinion on that one is yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>But with color, yeah, it doesn't exist without being perceived.

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<v Speaker 4>I think. Yeah, sound to me is different than.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit of a brain melter. But I see

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<v Speaker 1>what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. So that leads you to the question of how

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<v Speaker 4>do we see color? And that wasn't figured out until

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<v Speaker 4>the eighteenth century, and it wasn't proven I think, until

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<v Speaker 4>the sixties. And there were a pair of guys who

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<v Speaker 4>were a dynamic duo. If I've ever heard of one before,

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<v Speaker 4>and what were their names?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Thomas Young, he was I thought he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the main guy. I had never heard of.

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<v Speaker 4>The other guy, Hermann von Helmholtz.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Thomas Young. What I read was that he was

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<v Speaker 2>the first to propose the trichromatic theory. Basically that we

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<v Speaker 2>see everything through red, green, and blue channels because that's

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<v Speaker 2>how our eyes pick up on color.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because we have specialized cells in our eyes called cones, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I think we have something like one hundred million or

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<v Speaker 4>some ridiculous amount of rods. And rods are the things

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<v Speaker 4>that we see in like fine detail, black and white typically, right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Cones are color perceiving cells, and each cell is specialized

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<v Speaker 4>to you either attuned to wavelengths that red, green, or blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have way more rods than cones, about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty million rods in each eye and only

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<v Speaker 2>only about six million cones in each eye.

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<v Speaker 4>And those cones are concentrated mostly in the front of

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<v Speaker 4>your retina, Yeah, in the middle, right, which is why

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<v Speaker 4>you don't see color peripherally quite as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>So these cells are attuned to different wavelengths, right. The

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<v Speaker 4>long wavelengths are red, medium is green, and short is blue.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you said medium was yellow.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, right, so medium is not in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>Well as far as our RGB goes, gotcha, okay. And

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<v Speaker 4>so with these cells, Chuck, if you're looking at your

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<v Speaker 4>blue horse, what was his name, Calvin the blue horse. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so if you're looking at Calvin the blue horse, you're

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<v Speaker 4>getting a lot of information on from short wavelength light, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>not so much at the long or medium wavelengths, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And so there's probably a little bit it's not a

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<v Speaker 4>true blue horse, right, which would mean that it was

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<v Speaker 4>a totally saturated blue, which is only that blue wavelength,

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<v Speaker 4>true blue wavelength coming to your eyes, there's probably a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of green, a little bit of red. And

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<v Speaker 4>so all the cones in your eyes are getting all

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<v Speaker 4>this information at once, and they're reporting to your brain

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<v Speaker 4>via electrical impulses about the quality of the wavelengths of

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<v Speaker 4>light that they're getting, and so your brain takes it

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<v Speaker 4>and basically it becomes a color mixer and creates the

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<v Speaker 4>color blue that you're seeing Calvin as Yeah, that's how

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<v Speaker 4>we detect color. And from the r and the G

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<v Speaker 4>and the B you can put together. Supposedly, the Commission

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<v Speaker 4>on Illumination, a European Commission on illumination back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>thirty one determine that humans can see something like two

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<v Speaker 4>point three eight million colors.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, i'ds up to one hundred million, now.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it? Because I've seen all over the place in

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<v Speaker 4>this The nineteen thirty one CIE findings are the ones

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<v Speaker 4>that people say, this has the best science behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, yeah? Yeah, so one hundred million, no, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>ten million.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay. The other thing about the CIE is that

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<v Speaker 4>people say, well, this was only under certain types of illumination.

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<v Speaker 4>I think three different types of illumination, so it is

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<v Speaker 4>entirely possible if you change the intensity or whatever, you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to have brand new color. So ten millions reasonable, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a lot of colors that we can see, all

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<v Speaker 4>from the red, the green, and the blue cones coming

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<v Speaker 4>together and your brain adjusting them and seeing, oh, well

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<v Speaker 4>that's burnt sienna.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're gonna say that, did you. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the go to joke color, right it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's pretty joky color.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good one. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Ten million colors,

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<v Speaker 2>or let's say it's two million, if you're going by

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirty one model.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, the CIE naming convention.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we talk about some of the characteristics of color.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but let's take a break first. This is getting heavy,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Saish all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you actually you can do this on your

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<v Speaker 2>modern television as well, But it seemed like most TV's

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<v Speaker 2>now kind of come fairly set up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but in the old days, when you had those.

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<v Speaker 2>Little wheels to try and get that color right, it

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, you might have noticed things that said

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<v Speaker 2>hue and intensity or value or tone and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are all color characteristics. Yeah, and Hugh specifically is

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's basically what the color is. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>the lightness or the darkness. It's you know, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>greenness or the redness or the blueness, right, that's the hue.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's it's what you can interchange that word with color.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. I like how they refer to it as

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<v Speaker 2>the identity of a color.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that sounds kind of personal.

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<v Speaker 2>The intensity is how pure it is. So, like we said,

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<v Speaker 2>most colors are mixes. You know, they bleed one way

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<v Speaker 2>or the other on the wavelength, but in its purest

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<v Speaker 2>form a single wavelength, which is really rare, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be the purity or the intensity.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the color.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna see that very.

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<v Speaker 4>Often though, No, And I was wondering, like, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 4>There's some physics labs some where that can produce pure

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<v Speaker 4>saturated green like unadultterated green or unadultraated blue.

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<v Speaker 1>There is, or you're saying, I'm sure it's got to be.

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<v Speaker 4>There has to be. Yeah, probably that has got to

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<v Speaker 4>be really something to see. To know, you're looking at green,

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<v Speaker 4>like nothing but green. I would like to see that sometime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I have I'm not color blind, but I

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<v Speaker 2>have a more difficult time picking out other hues in

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<v Speaker 2>a color, whereas Emily's really good, like when picking out

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<v Speaker 2>paint colors, like that gray has this and this and

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<v Speaker 2>this in it, and I'm like, really like I see gray.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, supposedly a lot of people have a color deficiency.

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<v Speaker 1>I might have a slight color deficiency.

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<v Speaker 4>And a lot of people don't realize it. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people don't realize that. They think that

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<v Speaker 4>this just this color just looks like this and thinks

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<v Speaker 4>everybody sees it that way and that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it comes from a conversation where they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>wait a minute, what do you mean you see a

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<v Speaker 4>distinction between those?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but yeah, but in my case, it's hues. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like I see a completely different color, right, or you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, black, or everything's just looks gray.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I did a brain stuff on color blindness. That's pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to research that one time for a show

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<v Speaker 2>and it would just like bent my mind so much

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<v Speaker 2>I quietly filed it away.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure you'll pick it next week.

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<v Speaker 4>Color blindness, Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Value is the lightness or darkness of a color, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's basically has to do with light, the energy of

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<v Speaker 2>the light that makes it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and the value is so hues. There's really just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a finite, very finite number of colors of hues, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And you think of like primary colors, which we'll talk

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<v Speaker 4>about soon. But when you adjust something, when you adjust

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<v Speaker 4>the value of it, yeah, that just creates a whole

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<v Speaker 4>new range of colors. So if you add a little

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<v Speaker 4>black to a color, what you're doing is shading it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>If you add white, you are creating a tint.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then if you add black and white a gray,

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<v Speaker 4>you're toning it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, And I think people interchange those words without

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<v Speaker 2>understanding what they mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but they are definite distinct things, and that we

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<v Speaker 4>should probably say. There's a lot of really neat sites

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<v Speaker 4>on the internet. Pantone is a really good one, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>where you can go look at color wheels and things

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<v Speaker 4>like that and see the distinction between these things and

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<v Speaker 4>be like, oh, you mean pastels. That's another word for

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<v Speaker 4>a tone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's a lot of people really get into

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<v Speaker 2>it because it's the basis of printing and art and photography,

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<v Speaker 2>and like every every sort of art form, well not

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<v Speaker 2>every art form, but many art forms boil down the color.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you go to art school, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>study color pretty deeply, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And one of the things you're going to study

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<v Speaker 4>is color theory. And color theory is based done the

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<v Speaker 4>idea that certain colors contrast one another, certain colors complement

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<v Speaker 4>one another, certain colors should never be used together. And

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<v Speaker 4>not that it's just you know, your instructor serge saying no,

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<v Speaker 4>these colors don't go together. It's not just Serge's opinion, right,

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<v Speaker 4>These are objective facts as far as color theory goes. Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>And it's all based on the idea that all colors

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<v Speaker 4>fall into one of two categories. You have additive colors

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<v Speaker 4>and subtractive colors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's a couple of I mean, there's two

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<v Speaker 2>distinct applications for both of these. If you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a computer screen or a television that's using light, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's additive. If you're talking about paint or photography that's subtractive.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So you can think of it this way. With

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<v Speaker 4>additive colors, you're starting with black and you're adding light

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<v Speaker 4>to it, and ultimately, when you add all these additive

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<v Speaker 4>colors together, you're going to have white. With subtractive colors,

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<v Speaker 4>you start with white, and when you add all these

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<v Speaker 4>colors together, you're ultimately gonna have black. And they subtract

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<v Speaker 4>by absorbing one another's colors.

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<v Speaker 2>Another color mind bender two because with subtractive color, you're

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<v Speaker 2>still adding colors, but it's not additive, right, But they're

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<v Speaker 2>sort of have to wrap your head around that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but they're subtracting wavelengths by combining colors and absorbing.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, right, Yeah, it takes a hue out.

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<v Speaker 4>So a really good example of subtractive colors is if

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<v Speaker 4>you take cyan. Cyan absorbs orange, red, right right, So

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<v Speaker 4>if you take cyan and you mix it with yellow,

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<v Speaker 4>you produce green. And the reason that cyan and yellow

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<v Speaker 4>produce green is because the cyan absorbs the red light

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<v Speaker 4>and the yellow light. The yellow absorbs blue violet, and

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<v Speaker 4>so the only color that's not subtracted or absorbed is green.

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<v Speaker 4>So green is produced from these other pigments absorbing all

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<v Speaker 4>the other wavelengths. Yeah, and with it additive coloring, additive pigments.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's quite the opposite. You have light combining to

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<v Speaker 4>form new colors. Rather than absorbing, you're adding to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like the apple is an example, like we

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<v Speaker 2>said earlier, of a subtractive color system. And again, like

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<v Speaker 2>a TV screen would be additive.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think we got that. Yeah, I mean it

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<v Speaker 4>is mine bending a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit some of the stuff, you know, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>read like ten times and then it sinks in.

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<v Speaker 4>But the reason that all colors can be turned into

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<v Speaker 4>either additive primaries or subtractive primaries is that these are

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<v Speaker 4>the six colors of these, they're the six spectral colors.

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<v Speaker 4>They're the rainbow colors. Right. So additive primaries are what red, green,

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<v Speaker 4>and blue.

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<v Speaker 1>RGB.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then the subtractive colors are cyan, yellow and magenta.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna say magenta.

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<v Speaker 4>They're almost like bizarro colors. They're the bizarro world primary colors.

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<v Speaker 4>When you think of primary colors, you think of like

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<v Speaker 4>the the what red, yellow, and blue is what most

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<v Speaker 4>people think of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Red, yellow, and blue were the traditional primaries, and

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<v Speaker 2>they still are, but when it comes to like painting

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<v Speaker 2>and printing, they've been replaced with cyan, magenta, yellow, and black.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, cmyk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you go to your clubhouse printer, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you're gonna be.

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<v Speaker 4>Seeing, cmyk. Or you can select RGB as well, red, green,

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<v Speaker 4>and blue.

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<v Speaker 2>So Crosby Stills Nash and Young, right, right, or Crosby

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<v Speaker 2>Stills in Nash.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's the difference.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good rule of thumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So we mentioned primary colors just a second go,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we have our secondary colors green, orange, and

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<v Speaker 2>purple hues, which you get from mixing the primary colors, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have something called tertiary colors, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just furthering the color hues by mixing primary colors with

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<v Speaker 2>secondary colors.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So the six tertiary colors and the two sets

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<v Speaker 4>of primary colors or the six secondary colors I think,

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<v Speaker 4>and the two sets of primary colors form the color

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<v Speaker 4>wheelers twelve colors in the color wheel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and tertiary colors are the ones that you'll hear

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<v Speaker 2>like blue green or red violet. Yeah, it's like literally

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<v Speaker 2>named the two colors.

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<v Speaker 4>And color naming is another rabbit hole that you can

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<v Speaker 4>go down. There's a sight. Man, I wish I'd written

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<v Speaker 4>it down, but it's if you type in like who

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<v Speaker 4>names colors or color naming or something like that in Google.

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<v Speaker 4>Like one of the first page entries is the site

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<v Speaker 4>that you go through and it shows you different colors

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<v Speaker 4>and you write what you would name that color? Oh, interesting,

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<v Speaker 4>butter yellow or something like that, right, and the whole

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<v Speaker 4>well that was as as far as I got. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>well I would call this butter yellow, and you got

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<v Speaker 4>hungary had other things to do. But you can go

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<v Speaker 4>through in this. I think it's like ten or twenty

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<v Speaker 4>different shades that they show you colors that they show you,

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<v Speaker 4>And the whole purpose of all this is to find

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<v Speaker 4>some sort of commonality to create universal, universal naming convention

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<v Speaker 4>for colors. Yeah, it makes sense because you know, there

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<v Speaker 4>is a lot of distinction among languages for naming colors.

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<v Speaker 4>But at least one study that I found decided that

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<v Speaker 4>all colors universally for societies that do recognize individual colors,

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<v Speaker 4>rather than these are just warm colors and these are

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 4>cool colors. Yeah, which is universal. The more primary the color,

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<v Speaker 4>the shorter and easier to remember the name of it is,

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<v Speaker 4>like across cultures. So not all cultures will call it blue,

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<v Speaker 4>But what a culture is going to have like another

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<v Speaker 4>like short monosyllabic name for that color, for the same

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<v Speaker 4>thing that we would call blue.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's pretty interesting, Yeah, just because it's easier to understand.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's basic, like colors appear to be basic universally.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I think we should take another break and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe come back and talk a little bit about how

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<v Speaker 2>colors can compliment each other and live in harmony and

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<v Speaker 2>what that all means to us.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, s.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back.

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<v Speaker 4>We sure are.

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<v Speaker 2>So we talked about the different primary color, secondary, and tertiary.

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 2>And there's also something called complementary colors, which are basically

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>contrasting colors that make a neutral color when put together, right,

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and they are really far apart in hue, as far

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>apart as they can be. And there if you look

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 2>at the color wheel, they're on the complete opposite side

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 2>from one another, right, And when you place them next

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>to each other, then their hue is like, I guess.

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:29.639
<v Speaker 1>It's just more robust looking, yes, because they complement.

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<v Speaker 4>One another, right, Yeah, complimentary doesn't necessarily mean like, oh,

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 4>they look great together under all circumstances. So some complementary colors,

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 4>like red and green, if you play them next to

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<v Speaker 4>each other in the same intensity and the same size,

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 4>it's another one. Yeah, you are going to have what's

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 4>called an iceore. I have a shirt like that. It's

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 4>just too much equal amounts of bright red and bright green.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to think of that shirt.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just a Christmas shirt?

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Is it retired?

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Well for the holiday.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a holiday. Sure, Okay, But the whole point

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<v Speaker 4>of having colors and using colors together isn't just like, well,

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 4>these two are opposite the color wheels, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to use them and equal amounts and equal intensity and

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 4>everything will be great. You have to achieve what's called

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 4>color harmony, and in doing that, you want to choose

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:26.400
<v Speaker 4>different different shades or different tones or different tints, and

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 4>also different amounts at once. So like you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>use a bunch of red and a little bit of

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 4>green as an accent. That would be much more harmonious

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 4>than equal amounts of intense red and green next to

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<v Speaker 4>each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again this is when we say it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of taste. That's like picking something out as

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 2>a matter of taste. But again, these are like scientific rules.

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 2>You can't just throw two colors together and say that

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<v Speaker 2>looks great or that they're harmonious.

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess you could, but you'd be wrong.

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 4>You would surge would be like you're wrong. This is

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<v Speaker 4>objective stuff.

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 1>And then with complimentary colors.

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Getting back to that, there's this really cool thing that

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.199
<v Speaker 2>they bring up called retinal fatigue. So you can do

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>a little experiment at home that's kind of blows your mind,

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 2>but it really illustrates how color works pretty well. If

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>you look at a bright red spot for about a minute,

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>your retinas are going to soak in all that red,

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 2>all those cones are and then when you go immediately

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<v Speaker 2>and look at a white surface, you're going to see

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<v Speaker 2>green briefly, right, not forever, right.

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 4>And the reason why is because your red cells have

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 4>just been basically overstimulated and they're going to respond weakly

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 4>to the information that they're getting from that white right, Yeah,

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.919
<v Speaker 4>And your blue and green cells are going to be

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.679
<v Speaker 4>functioning just fine, so they're going to easily overwhelm your

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 4>red cells. And so what you'll see is this ghost

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 4>image of like a cyan square.

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is why. And the reason why is because

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 2>red is the complement of green. It'll always be that opposite, right.

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't just like randomly pick out a color.

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 4>I know. And if you start adding all this stuff

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 4>together that there are objectively complementary colors that you see

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.439
<v Speaker 4>when you see too much of the opposite one, doesn't

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 4>it all seem to fit so cleanly together that you're

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 4>almost like what is going on here?

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 4>What is color? Why do we see color?

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 4>It's a really good question, and evolutionary biologists have not

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 4>been able to explain it fully.

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess I really never thought about that because

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:35.479
<v Speaker 2>there's well, I mean there's probably some evolutionary benefit, right, sure,

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Like green things are generally good to eat.

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but green is also the kind of a universal

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 4>color for disgust or sickness or illness.

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh like you're green because you're.

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 4>Green around the gills or something like that.

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 4>Green is often like the color of rot grass. But

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 4>it's true. I mean, it's both. So how do we

0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 4>evolve to understand the nuanced and I mean clearly if

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 4>we didn't evolve too sea in color so that we

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<v Speaker 4>could do this we have as a byproduct of it,

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 4>but we can very easily tick off whether something is

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 4>healthy for us dangerous. We get a lot of information

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 4>about an object in our environments quality and desirability based

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 4>on its color. It's almost like a shorthand that our

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 4>brains pick up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And part of that is because we're conditioned after

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 2>years of using green for go and green for safe passage,

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:36.719
<v Speaker 2>and like red or orange for hazard signs and stop signs.

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 2>So part of that's conditioning. But as far as like

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 2>going back many many years before we made stop signs,

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea.

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, it really makes you wonder and even

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 4>like the idea that pink is for girls in blue

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 4>is for boys, that's a fairly recent development. Prior to

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<v Speaker 4>I think the early twentieth century, it was the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we ever do that as a show or didn't

0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>know it's too short? I think we did, like a

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>video one or something, didn't we Maybe I seem to remember.

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<v Speaker 4>That, But it was the opposite until like the nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>hundred's interesting, Yeah, yeah, that's interesting totally.

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Is that's why you rock your pink shirts?

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, right, that's exactly why.

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>That in fashion.

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 2>So getting back to harmonious colors if they are side

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>by I mean this is if you're like picking out

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 2>colors in your house or whatever, if you're not very

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>good at it, there are a few hard and fast

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>rules colors that are and get your little color wheel

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>out is really handy. If they're side by side, they're

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 2>going to harmonize well. And like we mentioned, colors directly

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 2>across from one another, complimentary ones also go well in

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>the right proportions because, like you said, the size of

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<v Speaker 2>it makes a big difference. They point out in the article.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've ever seen someone who's like

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 2>painted their room red, like in college. You know, some

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>stupid room mate would do that. It's an assault on

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>your senses because you're not used to seeing that much red, right,

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>But maybe an accent wall and a shade of red

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>matched with a complementary color. You wouldn't want to red

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>in green rim though, I guess green is complimentated or red.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 4>No, but you could conceivably say, use the complementary color

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 4>for like the trim or something like that.

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, And then tints and shades and tones of

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>the same.

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Color are always okay together.

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 2>It's never gonna clash, but you're just gonna have to

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>mess around with like how much of one compared to

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the other and what pleases your eye?

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, so there is. You can't clash though.

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 4>No, And so again Surge is saying, like, no, there's

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 4>objective truth as to complementary colors and harmonious colors, but

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 4>there is also personal preference. Oh sure, And this is

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 4>kind of like the thorn in the side of the

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 4>whole idea of color psychology that people use colors to

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 4>manipulate other people into like buy a product or whatever.

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 4>Study after study keeps finding that color preferencing color symbolism, Yeah,

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 4>is extremely personal. It's based on past experience, on your upbringing,

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 4>on your culture. Like for example, here in the West,

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 4>we wear black for mourning.

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 4>Well in the East, white is the color for morning.

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 4>So there's a lot of culturally bound ideas about color too,

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 4>which keeps it from being like universally symbolic or whatever.

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 4>But that being said, there are some that just from

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 4>being exposed to it time and time again, like a

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 4>red stoplight that you come to identify symbolically with other stuff.

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And colors will also affect everyone differently mood wise,

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 2>but there are some generalities there too, Like blue is

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 2>generally a soothing color that will calm you down. Too

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 2>much though could actually have the opposite effect, like too

0:32:58.880 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>much blue.

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 4>On some or it can really depress you.

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>What blue can Yeah? I wonder if that's why they

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>say you're blue?

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Yeah, I mean think about we describe our world

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 4>like that green with envy. Blue means you're down in

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 4>the dumps.

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Red means you're angry, yeah, red faced, yeah, or red

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 2>neck light.

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 4>That's different, it's a little different.

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Warm colors, reds and yellows can also lift the spirits

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 2>if you're less excitable. And they say that most people

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 2>want to just strike a balance though, between the cool

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>and the warm.

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 4>Right, and that's when it comes to like personal preference. Yeah,

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 4>but the idea behind this is that a lot of

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 4>people don't realize this is going on, that they're being

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 4>affected by color, even though they are. That it's on

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 4>a very unconscious level.

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it also depends a lot on light, like

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 2>how much light a room has coming into it, because

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna because sunlight is different than artificial light, your

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 2>shirt's going to look a different color outside in the

0:33:58.600 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 2>sun as it might.

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And I remember when we did the TV show there

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of.

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:06.479
<v Speaker 2>With colors and stuff, you know, things would look different

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>outside than they would under studio lights.

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 4>What's neat though, is we humans have developed this trick

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 4>called color constancy, where if you look at something, even

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 4>if it's in the shadow or in the sunlight, it

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 4>should conceivably look like different colored things because of the illumination.

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 4>But to us, we're still like, no, that's still green,

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 4>just because there's you know, shadow blocking it. Now, I

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 4>still see it as green. It doesn't make any sense,

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 4>and it's kind of perplexed I guess biologists for a

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.280
<v Speaker 4>while trying to figure out what this is yor neurologists,

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.840
<v Speaker 4>and they figured out that, yes, it is in the brain.

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 4>And there was this one guy who had some sort

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 4>of brain damage, I think from an electric shock, and

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 4>he also went for all intentsive purposes blind, but he

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 4>could still see color. What but he didn't have color constancy.

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 4>So they figured out that this guy was detecting wavelengths

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 4>of light color even though he couldn't see anything. He

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 4>could see colors still, but color constancy wasn't there. So

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.439
<v Speaker 4>they figured out, well, that means that it's a trick

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 4>of the brain. Huh, very neat.

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>It's very cool.

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 2>They also bring up in the in the House off

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Works article something I think is pretty interesting, how certain,

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>because of conditioning, certain colors can just appear to be wrong.

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Like if you were to pull up and see a

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>green stop sign, it would freak you out.

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Or the example they used to hear is if you

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.959
<v Speaker 2>cracked an egg and there was a green egg yolk,

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>that would be really freaky too, because you're just so

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 2>used to that yellow, right, you know.

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 4>You'd think, well, this is diseased or something.

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or doctor seust right, you know what else you got?

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Did you look at that thing on pigment?

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<v Speaker 4>I did. There's some wacky ways people have made pigments.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean pigment as far as making paint in things.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're synthetic, you know, like their synthesizing laboratories, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense. But throughout all of history, up until they

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<v Speaker 2>started doing that, they were actual real things in the

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<v Speaker 2>ground and on the earth that they would grind up

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<v Speaker 2>into powder. In the case of blue, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>semi precious stone called er there still is called Lapis

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<v Speaker 2>lazuli that was found all over the place in Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how they made blue.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Azureite is a blue mineral of copper.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of them, most of them have a few

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<v Speaker 2>different ways they could make it red. I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about cinnabar before. The mineral is where you get

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<v Speaker 2>vermilion red and carmine. Carmine is bright red and that

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<v Speaker 2>comes from aluminum salt of carminic acid. So it's just

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<v Speaker 2>crazy that they found all these things in the world

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<v Speaker 2>to make. And I know blue is the toughest one

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't see blue very much in nature. I

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<v Speaker 2>think blue is the one you will see least in

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<v Speaker 2>the primary colors as far as nature goes, like some insects,

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<v Speaker 2>but like there's no blue food.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's true. Blue horses, No, Well what about mine?

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<v Speaker 4>My favorite was India yellow, where they would feed cows

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<v Speaker 4>nothing but mango leaves and then collect their urine and

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<v Speaker 4>then boil it down, then filter out the concentrated muck

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<v Speaker 4>and then make balls out of it. And there was

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<v Speaker 4>the basis of your pigment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are just a few if you really get

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<v Speaker 2>into pigments, and you can like go crazy trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out where they all came from.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely, And I mean again, this is like really just

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<v Speaker 4>the surface of color. There's so much to it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I strongly advise you to go out and learn more

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<v Speaker 4>about it. Color it's everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, how about the one last factoid? Why is the

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<v Speaker 1>sky blue?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Sky's not really blue.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it shouldn't really have any color. Yeah, but the

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<v Speaker 4>angle of the sun coming down on the upper atmosphere

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<v Speaker 4>encounters things like water, vapor, and other tiny particles, and

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<v Speaker 4>they tend to scatter blue wavelength light more than the

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<v Speaker 4>other colors.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's just bouncing around at all points, which is

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<v Speaker 4>why the sky is blue. It's say, like noontime. But

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<v Speaker 4>while the sky's blue at noontime over here, it's say

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<v Speaker 4>sunrise or sunset to the east or the west.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And since all that blue light is getting scattered over

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<v Speaker 4>you where it's noontime in the east of the west,

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<v Speaker 4>those reds and yellows and pinks are making it all

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<v Speaker 4>the way there, and the blue is not, which is

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<v Speaker 4>why sunrise and sunset it tends to appear reddish, whereas

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<v Speaker 4>like midday appears blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is It makes total sense. And when your

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<v Speaker 2>kids ask you why is the sky blue, you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell them you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can tell them like the real reason you can.

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<v Speaker 4>Be like color does not actually exist. Yeah, it's all lie.

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<v Speaker 4>Good luck with that and go to sleep. If you

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<v Speaker 4>want to know more about color, just type that word

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<v Speaker 4>in your favorite search engine or how stuff works dot common.

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<v Speaker 4>It will take you on a wild ride. And since

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<v Speaker 4>I said wild ride, it's time for listener mail. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to call this something I've never heard of before,

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<v Speaker 2>precocious puberty.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you ever heard of that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we talked about it did it early puberty?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, did we talk about that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we said it.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this is in girls, so maybe that's why

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<v Speaker 2>it got you.

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<v Speaker 1>Surprise me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a long time listener, and thanks for helping me

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<v Speaker 2>in my commute every day. Really enjoyed and giggled my

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<v Speaker 2>way through the episode of male puberty. Thanks so much

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<v Speaker 2>for mentioning precocious puberty.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there you have it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was diagnosed at age two after my mom came

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<v Speaker 2>to wake me before.

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<v Speaker 4>School one day before I had a full beard.

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<v Speaker 2>Now before preschool. This is a lady and she had

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<v Speaker 2>started her period at two years old. Wow, And as

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<v Speaker 2>you can imagine, my mom was terrified. It took a

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<v Speaker 2>long time to get a correct diagnosis since it is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty rare. My treatment started out as daily shots that

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<v Speaker 2>my mom gave me at home that then went to weekly, monthly,

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<v Speaker 2>and annually as a year's progress.

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<v Speaker 1>I also had intermittence days in the hospital for testing.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah, that poor kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Treatment was stopped when I reached twelve years old, essentially

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<v Speaker 2>pressing play and my puberty that had been on pause

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<v Speaker 2>for almost ten years.

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<v Speaker 4>See that's cool treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's amazing that they figured out how

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<v Speaker 2>to stall puberty.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're like stay stay Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>God.

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<v Speaker 2>I have only hazy memories of this, of course, as

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<v Speaker 2>I was a child, but I do remember that missing

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<v Speaker 2>shots caused quite a bit of pain since my.

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<v Speaker 1>Body was growing out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, I've never been able to find out what the

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<v Speaker 2>long term effects might be, but I've had a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>decent health into my adult life and I'm now thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one years old. Awesome, So thanks a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is from Lauren in California.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thanks a lot, Lauren. Appreciate that we love hearing

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