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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm chops and

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Speaker 1: there's chuck and cherries here. Wait, no, she isn't. No,

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Speaker 1: cherry's not here, Dave's not here. We're left on our

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Speaker 1: own like a pair of losers. And this is short stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Big thanks to HowStuffWorks dot com, the Canadian Encyclopedia, and

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Speaker 2: Food and Wine magazine Wow for the information that I

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Speaker 2: called about Canada's national dish. At seven hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: calories and forty one grams of fat per serving, the

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Speaker 2: French fried brown grayby cheese curd squeaky delight, that is poutine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love poutine. How about you?

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Speaker 2: What's not to like?

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Of course I love poutine. I can't eat a lot

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Speaker 2: of that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, now, who can't?

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Speaker 2: Because you know, I'm trying to look be healthier and

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Speaker 2: look better and poutine does not lend itself to that.

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Speaker 1: You look, you look both, by the way.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. But in Canada, you got to eat

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Speaker 2: some of that poutine.

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Speaker 1: You definitely do. Whenever we visit Toronto, I'm always on

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Speaker 1: that stuff. You have taught. One reason why we can't

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Speaker 1: southeastern United States, whereas poutine was originally invented in Quebec,

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Speaker 1: which can get awfully cold in the middle of winter,

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Speaker 1: a higher calorie diet during that time, like a bear.

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Speaker 2: That's right. It popped up in the nineteen fifties in

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Speaker 2: the snack bars of rural Quebec and started gaining in popularity,

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties like McDonald's and Burger King and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that in Quebec, and then eventually over the border

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Speaker 2: the world, even though if you want you know, if

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Speaker 2: you want that og, you got to get it somewhere

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Speaker 2: in Quebec, right.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a purist, you definitely have to get

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Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of different families or people who

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Speaker 1: fromagerie is, the cheesemakers who made these squeaky cheese curds

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Speaker 1: Fernand la Chance of Cafe Ideal, and he said that

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Speaker 1: Eddie Linness, said, Hey, add some curds to these fries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in nineteen fifty seven, and he replied

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Speaker 2: It became pretty popular and people started kind of customizing it,

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Speaker 1: But in French? Do you want me to try the

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Speaker 1: French quote? Sure, oh sure, sava te fair un modi

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Speaker 1: fifty seven, I guess, And no, nineteen sixty three is

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Speaker 1: poutine complete. Poutine was nineteen sixty three. But our next

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Speaker 1: So poutine actually the name of it is it essentially

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Speaker 1: possibly from poudine, is where this whole thing came from.

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Speaker 2: So that you know, no one agrees on that. Kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So what we do know is that it showed

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Speaker 1: so much gravy flowing over a pile of fries.

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Speaker 2: Great, all right, So where we left off, poutine was

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Speaker 2: Different variations started to pop up, like Italian poutine with spaghetti,

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Speaker 1: It was great. I mean, it's hard to mess up

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Speaker 2: All right, I try that. By the seventies, poutine had

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Speaker 2: They called it disco fries and use shredded motts instead

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Speaker 2: this this disco fries thing is an abomination.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a great name.

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Speaker 1: So it first started to spread to national restaurant chains

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Speaker 2: Yeah. McDonald's followed suit afterward. They added it to the

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Speaker 2: he invented his Foi gras poutine.

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Speaker 2: Was shouting about Oh, I don't believe that when Hugh

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, five and ten was great that that went

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Speaker 2: Quebec and Canada, and he actually and closes out his

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Speaker 2: quote by saying, it's just really comforting garbage food.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, which I love. So I guess that's it, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got nothing else. You know, go visit Canada,

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Speaker 2: go to Quebec and order some poutine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but even just maybe also if you can't make

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Speaker 1: it to Quebec, like look up how to make as

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Speaker 1: close an approximation as you can and enjoy it that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they're I think General Mirror here

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta serves poutine, so you know, I might give

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Speaker 2: that a shot.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, since Chuck said he's going to give it

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Speaker 1: a shot, everybody, that'd mean short Stuff is out.

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