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Speaker 1: We were presented by win Back Betty is a team

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Speaker 1: at one Jets Drive, joined by Jets Cornerbacks coach slash

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Speaker 1: defensive assistant Senior defensive assistant Tony ODNTO. So great to

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Speaker 1: have you up here.

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Speaker 2: Five. I appreciate what's going on. How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Hey, let's take this back to nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: Goodness ninety nine nine.

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Speaker 1: Tony Odin the head coach of Army's JV team.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's right, that's right. Now, what was that experience like? Oh,

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Speaker 2: it was phenomenal. The year before I was the defensive

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Speaker 2: that year. But it was phenomenal. I tell people all

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Speaker 2: the time talk about my experiences at West Point. It was.

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Speaker 2: It was precious. I felt like you were a part

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Speaker 2: of something special. You know, you got the future leaders

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Speaker 2: before I went there, I thought they were gonna be

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Speaker 2: all was normally laughed it jumping it. There are us,

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Speaker 2: there are brothers or sisters there us, But It was awesome.

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Speaker 2: It was a great opportunity for me to look at

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Speaker 2: things from a global perspective as opposed to a position

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Speaker 2: specific perspective, you know, trying to bring everybody together, talk

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Speaker 2: to them pregame, uh, halftime, you know, making slight adjustments,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a lot of I put pressure on myself

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Speaker 2: because you want to do well, but it wasn't like

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Speaker 2: so the pressure wasn't as high as it is in

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Speaker 2: the higher, higher stakes games. But it was unbelievable perfect.

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Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved What Point. I love it.

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Speaker 1: How different is it coaching man at West Point who

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Speaker 1: everybody is going to have to when they're done go

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, when I coached there, we weren't at war, you know, so,

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Speaker 2: was always as possibility those things could happen, but you

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Speaker 2: just felt like you're a part of something special. It

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Speaker 2: made me a better coach because of their work ethic

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Speaker 2: and also the work ethic that they're taught while there.

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Speaker 2: They're very very intelligent, they're forward thinking, they're problem solvers.

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Speaker 2: So I always had to have my meetings right. You know,

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Speaker 2: it makes me made me become a better coach, more detailed,

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Speaker 2: be able to develop an economy of words when coaching,

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Speaker 2: you know, not rambling and those kinds of things. But

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Speaker 2: it was it was awesome experience, priceless.

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Speaker 1: Priceless, and then your career took off. Obviously those are

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Speaker 1: the early stages of your career. But what did you

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Speaker 1: like about the position being the coach, being the guy?

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Speaker 2: It was? It was good, but you know, there was

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Speaker 2: I didn't feel it externally, right, you know, which adds

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Speaker 1: Some would make the argument that Robert sala is not

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Speaker 2: Right Well, first of all, say he probably would because

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Speaker 2: then I left to go on to New Orleans Saints,

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Speaker 2: and he stayed there and got better and better and

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Speaker 2: so they were able to see what I saw and

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Speaker 1: Head starting to make in What was he like in five?

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Speaker 2: Because we say guy really energetic like Ford things, thinking,

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Speaker 2: We had questions in the staff room about doing certain things,

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Speaker 1: How insanely competitive is Robert Because I look at him today,

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Speaker 2: Every morning we have a little coaching workout group in

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Speaker 2: but he's over there. He's over there competing against himself. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: has a competitive spirit and he wants to do better

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Speaker 2: but he wants to take it to the next level. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that I think that permate permeates all parts of

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Speaker 1: we did, we did. What did you take away from Peyton?

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Speaker 2: From Oh man, I don't think we have enough time

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Speaker 2: but you're doing the same thing. You know, using that

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Speaker 2: I learned from a lot of them. Winning is another

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how fun is it going to be for you?

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Speaker 1: Week five? You go to Denver and Peyton's calling plays

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Speaker 1: across and you guys are going to be going to tell.

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Speaker 2: It's not our first time, you know, it's been been

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Speaker 2: many many times before. Actually when I left there, I

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Speaker 2: game game, but we want it, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: probably fifty to fifty in the games that we've played,

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Speaker 2: even when Drew was there, we still we had some success,

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned breeze before. Now you're going out there

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Speaker 1: But can you talk about the similar between those two guys?

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing I would say, one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: It's interesting you just mentioned Stafford, because as soon as

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Speaker 2: Keep talking, wins the super Bowl, keep talking, Matt Stafford, Let's.

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Speaker 1: Puts up big numbers in Detroit and never experience that success.

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Speaker 1: But then year one wins the championship.

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Speaker 2: That's pressure.

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Speaker 1: There's presidents here as president's. I mean, this has happened,

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Speaker 1: This can happen, right.

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Speaker 2: It's not how pathetical it's happened. We've seen it, and

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Speaker 1: Have you fellows about your rank with New Orleans?

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Speaker 2: They know, I don't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: You don't talk about goodness.

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Speaker 2: About the now. You know. Now, sometime I may go

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he is. The course that he's on right

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Speaker 2: a young man experience with people you don't know, like

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00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: new things, you know. That's interesting and fun to watch

434
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: him grow as as a young man and he is.

435
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: He's a phenomenal young man, and all our guys are.

436
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 2: We have our room, our organizations have done a phenomenal

437
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: job with the guys that that that they selected and

438
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 2: brought into this building. They brought good people, good men.

439
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 2: So all he's a reflection of everyone in our room,

440
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: everyone on our defense, you know, and all the guys

441
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: we have on our team. Just in general. He just

442
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 2: one of the guys who've had some success that everyone's

443
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 2: kind of kind of gravitated towards. But he is a

444
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: wonderful young man and as a phenomena upside, And I

445
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 2: keep telling him people think they know what he is,

446
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: and they think they've seen how good he can be,

447
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: but they have no idea yet. Okay, we're just scratching

448
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: the surface.

449
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: Why do you two hit it off immediately? I'm talking

450
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: pre draft process, so I'm not talking about when you're

451
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: on the staff. I'm talking about the whole process. Yeah,

452
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: after pro day, he points to where you guys went

453
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: for breakfast after his workout. Can you talk about you

454
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: knew he was a special player, but there was more

455
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 1: than that.

456
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 2: Well, when you talk to people, obviously we were selecting

457
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: high and everyone of every coach in the building is,

458
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 2: you know, hoping that they get their player picked at

459
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: that time. So I know, when you select a guy

460
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: with that type of pick, it has to be the

461
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: right person, all right. Obviously we know about the athleticism

462
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: and what he has to do from a performance standpoint,

463
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: but that person has to be the right person for you.

464
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: As a coaching staff. We have to have a good

465
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: connection and always say we're entering into a relationship right now,

466
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, kind of like a marriage almost,

467
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, We're gonna have to be able

468
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: to work together. I'm gonna have to be able to

469
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: work and talk and coach you, all right. So when

470
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: we have those meetings as informal as it was for

471
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 2: going to breakfast, we need we need to learn more

472
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 2: about each other as men. You know, you know some

473
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 2: of the things that he wants out of life, the

474
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 2: things that I want out of life. Because if all

475
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: those things are aligned, we know about the talent, all right,

476
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: you have to have that, and you learn more about

477
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: the man, you know, because the man is right, the

478
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: football is gonna be right if you get this the

479
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: right person, all right, and he is right on the

480
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: field and off the field, all right, the football is

481
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: gonna fall in line. So it's important. It was important

482
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: for us, like it is for all coaches. Not that

483
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: my philosophy is ain't different than anyone else's, but it

484
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: was very important for me to get to know him

485
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: as a human, get to know his family, get to

486
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 2: see him around other people in this building and how

487
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: they respond to him, how he responds to them, you know,

488
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: how he treats them, because we want to bring the

489
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: right person in the building. You know, I want someone.

490
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: I look for someone that if my daughter's around him,

491
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: I feel comfortable with that, if my wife is walking

492
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: down the hall, I feel comfortable with that interaction, you know.

493
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: You know, and he checks checks all those boxes. But

494
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: we hit it off well. Brought him here and he

495
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: had dinner with us and with one of our coach's son,

496
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: and just to watch. We were at dinners and coach

497
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: Obrid the son came and to watch them connect and talk,

498
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: and he gave him genuine attention, you know what I mean.

499
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 2: It was a one on one. I'm watching this, I'm like,

500
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: that's a guy. That's a real guy. He wasn't like

501
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: he was just like, you know, pacifying him talking to him.

502
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: He was talking cause he was interested in what he

503
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: had to say. You know, this is a high schooler,

504
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, so I knew we had the right guy.

505
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: It was no doubt in my mind that he was

506
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: going to be successful and we won't work well together.

507
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: So what's next for him? Because I know that was

508
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: a problem moment for you in January when he gets

509
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: the Defensive Rookie of the Year. Not only does he

510
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: get that he's a pro bowler, he's the first team

511
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: All Pro. I mean, he had all these three boxes,

512
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: he checked them all. But what is next for him?

513
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: Well, I think with him and we've talked about it,

514
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to say anything on here that

515
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about. The guy's the limit for him.

516
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: This s guy's a limit. But we got a couple

517
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: of secret things that I can't tell you. No, it's

518
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: just I know.

519
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: One thing he's talked about is interceptions, and and that's

520
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: something that Roberts talked about as well as that he

521
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: led the NFL PD He's incredible, that's right, But now

522
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: it's he coming down with a few more.

523
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: Of them, right, And it's to me when you have

524
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: a young player that's that's that's playing in general, all right,

525
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: especially uh one that's playing at a high level. You

526
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: don't want to tweak his technique too much, right, you

527
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because when you tweak something, there's

528
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: a learning process and a learning curve in that, you know.

529
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: So I wanted to make sure we that I sentuated

530
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: the things that he can do well once again, not

531
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: the things that he has to work on in those moments.

532
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: And we still worked on those things throughout the season,

533
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: but we want I want to make sure I refine

534
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: that technique to make sure the number one job for

535
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: corners not to have them catch the ball. That's the

536
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: number one job, pier point blank. Now the the extra

537
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: meat on the bone or the icing on the cake,

538
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 2: all right, is the interception, you know, And that's what

539
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna. We're gonna, We're gonna get to those, But

540
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: it's it's so many other parts of his game. That's

541
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: one thing, you know, that's that's gonna come. There's no

542
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind, zero doubt in my mind

543
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: that those things are gonna happen if they continue to

544
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: throw over there. But there's so many other things that

545
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: we can work on. That's why I said that people

546
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: think they saw a great player last year. If he

547
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: continues to trend and put the work in that he

548
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: is doing that we expect him to do, there's gonna

549
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: be a little something extra in there.

550
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, could certainly get the Drell Revas treatment because he's

551
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: he's so good that people are gonna stay away from you.

552
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: Never you never know and something. But that's a that's

553
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: always definitely. Don't want to compare those two guys because

554
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: there are different and I coached Drell for one year

555
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: down in Tampa. They are very different human have a

556
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: different skill sets, you know, uh, very different skill sets

557
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 2: where they both are are very very good obviously at

558
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: what they do. So he's gonna he's gonna continue to

559
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: grow his game, you know, learning football, splits, formations, situational things,

560
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: getting stronger, giving more tools. I always talk about giving

561
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: guys tools and a two belt. Rookies usually have. I

562
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: may give him two tools. You know, you got a

563
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: hammer and the and the and the uh Phillips headscrew driver.

564
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. And you mass that hammer, you

565
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: master that Phillips. Hey, Okay, now you got a fat hole.

566
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: Now you got a wrench. You know, okay, you're gonna

567
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: you're not using that wrench. Well, give me that wrench

568
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: back for a while. Let's go back to these three

569
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: tooths that we can use. Now, you can use that one.

570
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: It's a slow burn. I think you have to take

571
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: your time and teach the technique and get guys doing

572
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: it to correct way first before you throw everything at him.

573
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: You know, you master some things. You got that, Let's

574
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: move on now. Some people can master it faster than others,

575
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: so you have to be able to accelerate some of

576
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: that growth in some of those techniques, in those tools.

577
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of toos in in my two

578
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: box over here. I'm ready for him to use it.

579
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I know you do. And I don't want to oversimplify this,

580
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: but the scouting report I saw us coming out was

581
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: he's long, he's physical, he's great in man press. Well,

582
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: what became clear during his rookie season under you, under

583
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: all Brick, under Robert is that he's thriving zone. Why

584
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: why is he able to do that?

585
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: He's smart? He's smart. But you mentioned talking about like

586
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: a West Point players. One of the things that they

587
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: can understand formations because they are high level thinkers. You know,

588
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: he is a smart player and he's also a problem solver.

589
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: You know that's me. It's one of the things I

590
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: look for. And the guys that would like the coach

591
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: that are problem solvers because their offense is going to

592
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: do something unscripted. They get paid money over there too.

593
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: You know, they're pride forul too. They're not gonna always

594
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: give you exactly what you've seen on film. Most time

595
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: they will, but they're gonna have a couple of wrinkles

596
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: every game. And who are the guys that can problem

597
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: solve on the film, on the field and recognize things

598
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: quickly enough before they get to the sideline, Because the

599
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: good offenses aren't gonna let dbs get to the sideline

600
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: for us to make the correction right, They're gonna do

601
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: it within that drive. If you don't fix it on

602
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: the field, that next first down or the next they're down,

603
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: that same thing, or the play they're setting up, it's

604
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: gonna come afterwards. It's gonna come next. So he can

605
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: do that, he can problem solve, and he is smart,

606
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: so he can't recognize informations and splits in the situation

607
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: of the game and know that I'm not going to

608
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: get this route because of the split, or it may

609
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: be the same split right here, but he outside released

610
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: as opposed to inside release. I know I'm going to

611
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: get in this, so I'm not going to play all

612
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: those other things that could happen. I'm gonna play the

613
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: two things that he can do versus that release. You

614
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: know what, that makes sense?

615
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: It totally does. And I want to talk about a

616
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: couple of your other guys, but you're a great coach,

617
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: so you're explaining players and I'm digesting this. But one

618
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: of the things that and tell me if this is

619
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: the wrong way of viewing this, but one of the

620
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: ways I viewed it last year with saw Us is

621
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: that Stefan Diggs made a catch on you guys first

622
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: play the game in matt Life Stadium.

623
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: And after the game move I'll know.

624
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: Yes, it stood out to me, said that's not what

625
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: they do. They broke tendency there, and the more that

626
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: he sees that over time like that will be another

627
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: tool it that he has it as arsenal. But that

628
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: just said to me that he knows exactly the way

629
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: they're trying to attack you.

630
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: And that's that's one of the things that the growth,

631
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: his growth is going to continue pretty quickly because of that.

632
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: And I learned this from I learned from ReBs. Actually,

633
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: certain players get certain things. You know, generically speaking, when

634
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: you look at the film, we always talk about, Okay,

635
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: here's what they do in this formation, in this situation.

636
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: Relatively speaking, it may be these two things in this

637
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: maybe this these three things in this formation. All right,

638
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: but it's only one thing when they do this this motion.

639
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: That's very generic thought process and it's correct. But the

640
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: other factor, the X factor of that is who is

641
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: the individual that they're going against. All Right, certain individuals

642
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 2: have a certain skill set that they're going to do

643
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: certain things from. So even though you may have seen

644
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: them do it on film, that guy's not gonna get that.

645
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: Like Reevers wouldn't get Carol routes, slant routes because he

646
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: was a very patient at the line of scrimmage, so

647
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Speaker 2: that even though they may have done it a hundred

648
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: times on film, he's not gonna get that route. Right,

649
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: there were certain routes we had to identify that he

650
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: was gonna get. And it's the same thing with Sauce.

651
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: There's certain routes that he even though we may see

652
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: it on film that he's gonna get because he has

653
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: some length, They're gonna do certain things to negate his length.

654
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: They're gonna do certain things, different things with the formations.

655
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: They may have different emotions to it. They may try

656
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: to use a double move to get him up off

657
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: so they can try to create some space, you know.

658
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: But the other factor is that is the player that's

659
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: doing it. Not everyone can create space. Not everyone can

660
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: create or have the speed to allow that separation on

661
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: the double moves, you know what I mean. So that's

662
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: part of the growth. That one of the many things

663
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: that he's gonna get better and better and better at

664
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: because now he's gonna be able to make book on

665
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: certain players, certain coordinators. This coordinator attacked me this way.

666
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: So even though maybe a different year, this is how

667
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: he attacks me potentially.

668
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: Yah, I have more chapters in that book.

669
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: I don't know that happens, may or not happen. I'm

670
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: saying those are factors, you know, But that's coaching. That's

671
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: but we, like I said, we have so many guys

672
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: that that like DJ read is unbelievable. He but he

673
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: gets different things at times when they want to go

674
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: over there and was going to get different things. Michael Carter,

675
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: who is a probably one of the best problem solvers

676
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: that I've ever been around, He's going to get if

677
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: they want to go in that direction, they're going to

678
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: do different things, different than if I was playing Nickel.

679
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: You've been awesome with the time. We got to let

680
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: you get going, but I I got it two quick

681
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: ones you just mentioned I'm I'm see the second and

682
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: also DJ. Did you know you guys knew DJ was

683
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 1: a good player? Yes, yes, and you let you had

684
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: high expectations for.

685
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: Him, extremely high. Did you think he was gonna thrive

686
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: that yeah, zero hesitation. I was with him for a seconds.

687
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: Our room is built specifically. We have a smaller, quick, gritty,

688
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: bite your face off, uh, DJ Reid, you know, who's

689
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: highly competitive and serious, and we have another guy on

690
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: the other side has a little length, mental speed, you

691
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So they compliment each other. You

692
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: have MC as a problem solver, and he can do

693
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: it all, you know what I mean. He can play

694
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: big boy ball and make big tackles like a linebacker.

695
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: He can cover like a corner. He can go out

696
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: there and run the defense and problem solve it. So

697
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: we have a very good mixture of human beings and

698
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: then we have Brandon Echos and we Bryce Hall, you know.

699
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: And the other guy that works back there we work

700
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: hand in hand is Ricky Manning Jr. He's the guy

701
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 2: who's played in the league, you know. So it can

702
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: coach the nickel, you know, better than anyone else that

703
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: I've I've been around, you know. So it's so our

704
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: organization had done a good job of giving us the

705
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: pieces to be successful, and now we just got to

706
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: go out there and earn the right to do it

707
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: one more time.

708
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the opportunity this is where we're

709
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: gonna end, Uh, the opportunity. How do you as far

710
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: as with the league is concerned there? Then I talked

711
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: to Ron Milton about this before. They're three black head

712
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: coaches in the National Football League. That's for a fifth

713
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: consecutive year. The league is trying to do something to

714
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: change that. Can you talk about the program that you're

715
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: going to be a part of this year and what that.

716
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: Means to you. Yeah, I'm I'm excited about it. It's

717
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: Coaches in Front Office Acceleration program that we're going to

718
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: pretty soon here and it's a way for us to

719
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: kind of go and meet with the front office, you know,

720
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: some owners and some general managers and and kind of

721
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: find out and hear the process because we are in

722
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: a lot of those meetings as assistant coaches, whether it

723
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: be salary cap or just league business and those kind

724
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: of things. So I think getting a better appreciation for

725
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: those kind of things can get you in position at

726
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: least have a better understanding. If you are afforded the

727
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: opportunity to interview for one of those things and they

728
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: ask you these questions, you can have a better foundation

729
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: to speak on because you have heard some of that

730
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: stuff before. The other thing is, I think it exposes

731
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: and you. It's different when you shake someone's hand and

732
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: you look them in the eye and you can get

733
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: a chance to talk to them all right, they can

734
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: get a pretty decent feel of the man that you are,

735
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: the man that you can be, because now you have

736
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: an intimate relationship with that person as opposed to just

737
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: reading about it. So it allows some exposure. I think

738
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: it's a phenomenal thing that the NFL. They're being forward

739
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: thinking in that they're being very deliberate and exposing both

740
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: sides to each other, you know, and obviously haven't gone

741
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: yet before. I understand is great dialogue between the owners

742
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: and the other front office. It's great sharing of information

743
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: and ideas both ways. So we can't understand each other,

744
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: we can understand the direction of the league, the direction

745
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: of our society, and hopefully that will lead to other opportunities,

746
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: whether it be for me or for the next person

747
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: you know. To me, I think that I always look

748
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: at things like if what I'm doing is obviously I

749
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: want to be successful, and I want our players to

750
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: be successful. But I want the person that's going to

751
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: replace me one day or coming behind me to be

752
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: successful because I have not messed it up for them.

753
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: You know what I mean that I have carried myself

754
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: in a certain way that makes it easy for the

755
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: next person to make a long story short. So well,

756
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: it works out for me, hopefully it does. But if

757
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't work out for me, hopefully I would have

758
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: opened the door, or at least not let a door

759
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: close for the next man behind me because of me.

760
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.

761
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to catch up after that program, and

762
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: maybe at some point in training camp we can all

763
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: get in the progress report.

764
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: But t O.

765
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: This was a lot of fun.

766
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: No, I appreciate your time. Let's go j E t ets, jets,

767
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: jets jets, let's go

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