1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 2: He joins me every. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 3: Thursday and Friday on the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: And yet that's still not enough. 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 3: This guy's been working in NFL films for forty six years. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 3: He loves football and I love him. Check him out 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 3: on social media at Greg Cosel. 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: Greg. Great to see you always here in a different venue. 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are familiar with your 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: outstanding work the NFL Matchup Show on esp and ESPN 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: two the next couple days. I guess we got to 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: get your thoughts on the poll question first, Greg. I 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: know that this is why you break down the tape 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: spicy mustard, yellow mustard, honey mustard, or djon mustard. 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 4: I think I'm a golden spicy brown kind of guy. 17 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: Ross. Yes, I knew it. I knew it. 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm not a great pupon guy, don't. I can't 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 4: remember the last time I ever had great poupon. But 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: you know that's why above my investment portfolio. 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: You know, I love the fact. 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: Just so everybody knows, I talked to this guy at 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: least once a week, now twice a week. I've never 24 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: talked with Greg about mustard before. And not only did 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: he say spicy, he shouted out my favorite spicy brown 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: mustard Goldens, he gave it the actual name brand. Gosh, 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: this show is going so well so far. All Right, 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 3: we'll get to more of the mustard talk a little 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: bit later. I guess here's my first question, Greg, after 30 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: watching that game last night. 31 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 4: Oh you did? 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: Huh? Yeah? 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 4: I feel I built Phil Badley for you. Well, I 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 4: went to better early Ross because I was at the 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 4: gym at ten or five this morning, so I didn't 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 4: see much of that game. 37 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: Well, I know you'll break down the film later, so 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: that's why I'm not going to specifically ask you about 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: last night. But when you look at, for example, the 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: Broncos and the Patriots, they both only have two losses, 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: where are you right now with bo Nix and Drake May? 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: In other words, have you seen enough from either one 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: of those guys to think, you know what they might 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: be able to do it in a playoff game against 45 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: Josh Allen and the Bills or Lamar Jackson Ravens. What 46 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 3: have you seen from those two guys, you know, in 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 3: particular Nixon May. 48 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 4: Well, if we want to start with May, I think 49 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 4: May has played consistently far better than Nix has. May 50 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: has just better traits overall too. I mean, I've had 51 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 4: the ability to stand next to both guys. May is 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 4: just a big, big man, and he plays the game 53 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 4: effortlessly easily. 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: You know. 55 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: One of the things that I was taught years ago, 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: and actually I think it was a conversation I had 57 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 4: with Phil Simms years ago. When you watch a quarterback 58 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 4: and they throw it so easily, May looks effortless throwing 59 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 4: the ball effortless down the field, and it's just easy 60 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 4: for him. 61 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: To throw it. 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 4: And one thing I think is really stood out this year, 63 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: and you're never sure about this till you get to 64 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 4: the NFL ross is his ability to move within the pocket. 65 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 4: You don't see a lot of that in college because 66 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 4: it's not usually that necessary in college football to play 67 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 4: like that, But in the NFL, pockets get squeezed, there's 68 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: more bodies around you. How a quarterback reacts to that 69 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 4: is something that I really evaluate carefully, and I think 70 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 4: that pocket movement is a really important trade and May 71 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 4: has really shown that trade. Nix, on the other hand, 72 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: I think has been very very inconsistent. I think that 73 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: his ball location has at times been good and has 74 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: at times lost something to be desired. You're almost and 75 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: you hate to say this about a quarterback, and I 76 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: like bo Nicks overall, but he's almost at the point 77 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: now where sometimes you're just not certain what you're going 78 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: to get with bow Nicks. And you know, obviously he's 79 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: had these big fourth quarter come but you don't want 80 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: to you don't want to live like that. You know, 81 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: you want more consistency from from play one to play seventy, 82 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 4: and that hasn't been the case with him for much 83 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: of this season. 84 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: I'm curious about that. 85 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: When you're breaking down the tape and you see these 86 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: guys play their best in the fourth quarter or in 87 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: the last couple of minutes, what do you what do 88 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 3: you make. 89 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: Out of that? 90 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: Well, you have to look at the reason why. What 91 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: kind of plays are they making? You know, if bo 92 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: Nix has made a number of plays in the fourth 93 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: quarter where it's been one on one on fade balls 94 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: and he's made a very good throw, and then quarter 95 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 4: lit Sutton has gone up against good coverage and made 96 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 4: a catch, Obviously that play counts and it's a good 97 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: job by both guys. He did make a great play. 98 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 4: I remember specifically against the Eagles where he made a 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 4: great read and a great throw to I believe it 100 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: was sudden on a third and fifteen maybe if memory 101 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 4: serves me correctly, and that was a really big time 102 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 4: throw with great timing and anticipation and ball location. But 103 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: I think you always have to look at the plays themselves, 104 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: and that to me is just like interceptions. You always 105 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 4: have to look at interceptions as individual plays, not as 106 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: a number on a stat sheet. You've got to look 107 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 4: at the plays. So, you know, I think that Knicks 108 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: has made obviously they've come back in games, and he 109 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 4: certainly made throws and he uses his legs extremely well. 110 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 4: We saw that who do they It was the Giants, right, 111 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 4: The Giants would have had that crazy comeback and scored 112 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 4: thirty three in the fourth quarter. And you know, you 113 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: have to look at all those plays as individual plays, 114 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 4: not just say wow, they came back. So you know, 115 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: that's the way I go about it anyway. 116 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny by the way you think about 117 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: some of the rookie quarterbacks that are playing right now, 118 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: Jackson Dart and Yep and cam Ward and obviously now 119 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck and maybe they're not in great situations. You know, Greg, 120 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: I called a couple of Patriots games last year, and 121 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: they might have had the worst O line and the 122 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: worst receiving core, and I still thought, Drake Maye look good, 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: you know, so you can still look good as a 124 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: quarterback the other teams I wanted to ask you about, Well, just. 125 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: One quick point if I could. Yeah, when you evalue 126 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 4: I learned this from people smarter than I am at 127 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: back quarterback play. Going back to Bill Walsh, when you 128 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: evaluate a quarterback cross you have to evaluate him separately 129 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 4: from the circumstances. You have to isolate on the traits 130 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 4: of the quarterback. We know that certain teams don't have 131 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: great receivers, or certain teams may not have a great 132 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 4: run game. That's all fine, That has nothing to do 133 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 4: with how a quarterback plays the position of quarterback. You 134 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 4: have to isolate the quarterback and separate him from the 135 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: rest of the team. That's how you evaluate a quarterback. 136 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 4: You understand that, hey, maybe he's not throwing to great guys, 137 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 4: but that doesn't dictate how he goes about playing the 138 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 4: position of quarterback. 139 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's evaluate a couple of other quarterbacks. 140 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: Because again, looking at the top of the standings, I 141 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: see the seven and two Indianapolis Colts. Yeah, And I 142 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: see the six and two Seattle Seahawks, and yeah, Greg, 143 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: No matter who I talk to, they are not gonna 144 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 3: believe in Daniel Jones or Sam Darnold until they actually 145 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: see those guys win a playoff game. 146 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: What are you seeing? 147 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: Are you seeing enough that the rest of us should 148 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: buy in and should believe that these teams are real? 149 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: And I don't think of it like that. 150 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: Row. 151 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: It's like, you know, when people say, are these teams 152 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: for real? All I know is what we have up 153 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 4: to this point and how these teams play. So if 154 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: you look at the Colts, and by the way, Daniel 155 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: Jones made some really good throws this past week, even 156 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: though they lost to the Steelers and he had to 157 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 4: drop back fifty five times, which, as you know, no 158 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 4: coach wants a quarterback to drop back fifty five times 159 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: in a game. He had twenty six dropbacks alone in 160 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, and as I said, he made some 161 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: big time throws. Now, there's a team that is very 162 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: much based on the fact that they dominate on first down, 163 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 4: and first down domination is the result of being in 164 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 4: control of games close enough that you can do what 165 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: you want to do. On first down, Jones had the 166 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: most first down passing yardage in the league. Jonathan Taylor 167 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: is among the league leaders in first down rushing yardage. 168 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: They dominate on first down, and when you can't do that, 169 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: the game changes. And then when you have to drop 170 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: back on every single play, as they did every play 171 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter last week was a pass twenty 172 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: six plays and as you probably saw, their two tackles 173 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: in that game did not play well in one on 174 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 4: one pass protection when they were asked to block one 175 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: on one against Watton Heismith. So they had a very 176 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: difficult game. But I think the nature of the Colts 177 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: offense is such that if they can stay within the 178 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 4: game that they're very very good. Donald he's another guy. 179 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: He's really good in specific ways. Every quarterback, for the 180 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: most part, Ross has defined strengths and then certain limitations. 181 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: That's just true with every quarterback, even great ones. Okay, 182 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 4: so Donald is really good as a play action quarterback, 183 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: the reds are more defined. He pushes it down the 184 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 4: field as well as any quarterback in the league. Now 185 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 4: they have Shaheed that's only going to help in that regard, 186 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 4: Darnold is better in that kind of offense than he is, 187 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 4: let's say, in the shotgun offense, sitting back there being 188 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: asked to scan the field. So if all of a 189 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: sudden they get down big and he's asked to do that, 190 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: he may not look as good because that's not what 191 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 4: he does. As well as play in an under center 192 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 4: play action game where they can control the pace and 193 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 4: tempo of the game. More so. 194 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: Greg Our producer here is Pauly Paps and he's a 195 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 3: die hard, die hard Bears fan. So you talked about Bonnicks, 196 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: you talked about Drake may I think he'd be upset 197 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: if I didn't get your evaluation of Caleb Williams, the 198 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: number one pick in last year's draft. Where are you 199 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: and what are you seeing on the tape with Caleb 200 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 3: Williams so far this year in Ben Johnson's offense. 201 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's been a work in progress and 202 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 4: I totally expected that. It's a very difficult offense, just 203 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 4: starting with the operational perspective, Rawson, you know what I 204 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: mean by that, where you know, calling the play in 205 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: the huddle where there might be two plays called then 206 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: there's alerts. Then you want to have enough time when 207 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: you get to the line of scrimmage because that offense 208 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 4: features shifts and motions. Then you want to have Williams 209 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 4: be able to sort of research the defense. So the 210 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 4: operational part was something he really struggled with as a 211 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 4: rookie under a different coaching staff. But then he had 212 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: to learn that this year. I would say that last 213 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 4: week in the game, last week now, and again this 214 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 4: is not relevant to me that Cincinnati doesn't have a 215 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 4: good defense. But I thought you saw a lot more 216 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 4: of the Ben Johnson pass game concepts come to fruition, 217 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: and I thought that there were times Williams looked really 218 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 4: good executing those. Now there are still times because it 219 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: will be a work in progress, where he was a 220 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: beat slow with his reads and did not get the 221 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 4: throws that were there. There are times there's a little 222 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: bit of an unfocused phonetic nature to him to his 223 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,359 Speaker 4: pocket play. That's his next step in his continued development. 224 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 4: But I gotta tell you, this guy throws the balls. 225 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 4: It's crazy the way he throws the ball. And when 226 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: you talk about with throwing the ball on the move, 227 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 4: I mean this guy has an absolute power hose when 228 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 4: he throws the ball on the move. I don't know 229 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: if I've seen anybody throw with that kind of even 230 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers in his prime, with that kind of velocity 231 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: on the move. 232 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: Check him out on social media at Greg Cosel and 233 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: check him out every week on the Ross Tucker Football 234 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: Podcast Thursday or Friday, a lot more hardcore football talk. 235 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 3: Where that came from. Greg, Thank you so much for 236 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: the time here on The Dan Patrick Show. Really appreciate it. 237 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 4: Appreciate it. 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Check us out 250 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 5: on YouTube and subscribe. 251 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: I think Andy Staples has probably been to every cool 252 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 3: college football venue you can possibly go to. I'm sure 253 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: there's some that you know what, even Andy probably has 254 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 3: one or two, and maybe it's a group of five 255 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: stadiums that he hasn't been to. Maybe he wants to 256 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 3: go to that Dome of North Dakota State. I guarantee 257 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 3: Andy has some that he hasn't been to yet that 258 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: he wants to. He's a good friend of mine. He 259 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: does an unbelievable job in all sincerity. If you are 260 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: into college football and you're not following Andy's work or 261 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: following him on social media, at Andy underscore Staples, you 262 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: are doing it wrong. Andy, really appreciate the time. Great 263 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: to see you. 264 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: I guess I. 265 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: Gotta start out with these two questions, So one of 266 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: which is what's on your bucket list college football venue 267 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 3: that you have not been to yet. 268 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 6: I've got a few, and you actually just mentioned a 269 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 6: couple of them. So Mikey Stadium at Army I overcovered 270 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 6: a game there, want to do that, The Fargo Dome 271 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 6: you mentioned at North Coast State, the Kibbi Dome at Idaho, 272 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 6: seventeen thousand seat Dome, Moscow, Idaho. I have driven driven 273 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 6: through the parking lot when I was in Pullman to 274 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 6: do some Washington State stuff, and obviously Moscow, Idaho's eight 275 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 6: miles away, so I drove. 276 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta see the Kibbi Dome, but 277 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: I want to. 278 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 6: See a game in the Kibbi Dome, and then yeah, 279 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 6: those would be my three. Also, I need to commend 280 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 6: you Ross on the impassioned defense of spicy Deli mustard, 281 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 6: because it is the world's greatest condiment. 282 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: Oh, you know what I gotta tell you. I already knew. 283 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: I liked Greg Cosel, I liked Andy Staples. I had 284 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: no idea they were part of the spicy mustard tribe. 285 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: I didn't know they were part of the family. Although 286 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 3: they're really smart, successful people, so you would assume that 287 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: they know that spicy mustard's by far the best mustard. 288 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: All right, here's the second part of that question. Andy. 289 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: And by the way, I've done a bunch of games 290 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: at Mikey Stadium. 291 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: I couldn't possibly more highly recommend it. 292 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 6: I believe I've heard you and Jason Horowitz doing games 293 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 6: at Mikey Stadium before. 294 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: Yes, And honestly, Andy, the crazy thing about Mikey Stadium 295 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: is it's actually probably best observed from the press box 296 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: because it's so elevated that you can then see the 297 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: reservoir and the water and the Hudson River. It's actually 298 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: better almost the higher you are, if that makes sense. 299 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: But you're gonna tell me, give me one or two 300 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: or three that I probably haven't been to that, you know, 301 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: power for whatever. What should be on my college football 302 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: venue bucket. 303 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 6: List If you've never been to a game at LSU, 304 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 6: if you've never been to Tiger Stadium, that is it's 305 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 6: the best tailgating in college football, and when they're good, 306 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 6: it's probably the best overall stadium experience in college football. 307 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 6: It's just so cool and the tailgating is incredible that 308 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 6: people go all out. It's not you know, we talk 309 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 6: about the Old Miss tailgating, but Ole Miss doesn't allow 310 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 6: open flames, so limits what you can cook. Like they're 311 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 6: grilling gator like when they play Florida, they're grilling gator 312 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 6: at LSU. 313 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: So it's incredible. 314 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 6: Going into the one that people maybe don't think about. 315 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 6: If you get a chance to go to a k 316 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 6: State home game, a Kansas State home game Manhattan, Kansas 317 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 6: Bill Snyder Family Stadium. They do it right there, like 318 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 6: that's a great crowd. It's a great town, just a 319 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 6: great little college town, the Aggieville district with the bars 320 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 6: and the restaurants and everything. That's an that's a fun 321 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 6: one that I don't think people think about when they're like, oh, 322 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 6: these are the best atmospheres in college It's one of 323 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 6: the best atmospheres in college football. And the other one. 324 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 6: You'll never believe it until you actually get there. To 325 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 6: autsin stadium in Oregon, sixty thousand people sound like one 326 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 6: hundred thousand people. I don't know how they do it, 327 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 6: but it's incredible. 328 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: There's something weird about the Pacific Northwest and the acoustics, 329 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: because I guarantee you the people in Seattle are not 330 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: louder than the people in Philadelphia. But yet when you're 331 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: in that stadium in Seattle, it is so loud. They've 332 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: done a nice job with the acoustic. 333 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: The Seahawks Stadium. 334 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 6: I've driven past it, I've never been inside it, but 335 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 6: it does look like it's just built perfectly to capture 336 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 6: this Maybe Autson's secret. Autson is sort of like an 337 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 6: extreme version of the old sombrero in Tampa. Yes, And 338 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 6: so you've got these two really high middle parts that 339 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 6: just kind of bounce off each other, and I think 340 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 6: that's what helps. 341 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: All right. 342 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: So, Andy, we are, I guess, a year and a 343 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: half into the new college football playoff tournament structure, and 344 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 3: I know it could be changing, But I guess has 345 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: it been a good thing or a bad thing so far? 346 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: Are you a fan or not a fan of it 347 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 3: so far? 348 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 6: I love the twelve team playoff. I don't want them 349 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 6: to go any bigger. If they go sixteen, fine, I 350 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 6: know they've talked about that, because that just that doesn't 351 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 6: really add another round. It just keeps you the same 352 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 6: general structure. But don't go any bigger than that. Like, 353 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 6: this is good. I like the stress and the adjecta 354 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 6: that it causes among the teams from twelve to twenty 355 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 6: that still have a chance. I like the fact that 356 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 6: if you win the Big twelve, or if you win 357 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 6: the ACC even if you didn't have the greatest year, 358 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 6: you're in. I think that's pretty cool. So I like 359 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 6: this format. I thought four was too small, Like it's 360 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 6: still the most exclusive playoff format in major American sports. 361 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 6: Like the fewest number of teams get in the lowest 362 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 6: percentage of teams get in, And I think that's great, 363 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 6: but it needed to be bigger than four. 364 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 2: So this feels like the perfect number to me. 365 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: You know what. 366 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 3: I also think when it was four, we really only 367 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: talked about who was five, six, and seven and maybe eight. 368 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 3: Now that it's twelve, people are looking at who's fourteen, 369 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 3: who's sixteen, who's eighteen? I saw on your show you 370 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: were apoplectic that Miami's that much further down than Notre Dame. 371 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 3: Is that the biggest thing that jumped out to you? Yeah, 372 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 3: because why'd they bother playing the game? 373 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 6: Like, if they're gonna have the same record, and it's 374 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 6: not like Notre Dame's played much better competition than Miami 375 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 6: throughout the year. 376 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: They haven't. 377 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 6: Their their schedules are fairly comparable, and they have the 378 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 6: same record, and they played in Miami won. 379 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: How in the world can they be eight spots apart? 380 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 6: That makes no sense at all, And that's what bother. 381 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 6: I mean, if you're gonna do that, just simulate the 382 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 6: whole season on a computer. Don't even bother playing the games, 383 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 6: because that the results of the games need to matter 384 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 6: at some point. 385 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: How much do you wait what happened recently versus what 386 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 3: happened at the start. 387 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 6: It all matters ross, It doesn't matter when you played 388 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 6: the like it all matters. It doesn't Just because you 389 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 6: played it in September doesn't give you a mulligan for losing. 390 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 3: I would agree, But wouldn't you agree if two teams 391 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 3: are ten and two and one of them lost the 392 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 3: first two won the next ten, the other won the 393 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: first ten lost the last two, don't you think that 394 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 3: there should be some nod given to the teammates. 395 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 6: Team had better lost the first two where there's there 396 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 6: only two really good games and everybody else was not 397 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 6: very good. 398 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm not I love Notre Dame. I 399 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 2: love Notre Dame. 400 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 6: Will defend their independence till the day I die. Well, 401 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 6: we'll fight anybody who says Notre Dame needs to join 402 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 6: a conference. 403 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: I love Notre Dame. I think Notre Dame's a really 404 00:19:59,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: good team. 405 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 6: I think Notre name is probably gonna wind up in 406 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 6: the college football playoff, mostly because I think Miami is 407 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 6: gonna lose another one along the way, and and Notre 408 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 6: Dame's not like they're both gonna They're both gonna play Pitt, 409 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 6: and maybe Pitt beats Miami and doesn't beat Notre Dame. 410 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 6: But you gotta you gotta have results matter. You can't 411 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 6: just say well, it didn't matter, same record, whatever they play, 412 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 6: like you you have the ultimate event. What if they 413 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 6: played well? They played all right? 414 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: Maybe the bigger question in college football right now is 415 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: with all these guys getting fired, why has there not 416 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: been any hires made yet? 417 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: Like, why why hasn't Virginia Tech jumped on James Franklin. 418 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: I mean he would be. 419 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 6: Maybe James Franklin is waiting for Florida State to open up. 420 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 6: Maybe James Franklin wants to go coach at Auburn. 421 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: So you think it's there's a pecking order of available 422 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: candidates and those guys are way until they see what 423 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 3: all their options are. 424 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, James Franklin's going to have options if he 425 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 6: if he thought his best option was Virginia Tech and 426 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 6: Virginia Tech was offering in the job, he would have 427 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 6: already taken it. But I think he's going to have 428 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 6: quite a few options. 429 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: So we don't know yet. 430 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 6: What all the options are going to be because we'll 431 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 6: see what happens with Florida State. That's still very much 432 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 6: up in the air. They're playing Clemson this week. If 433 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 6: they want out Mike Orwell will be fine. But if 434 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 6: things go badly that their fan base is itching for 435 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 6: a change, even though it would be very expensive. 436 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 2: Kentucky's another one. You know, Mark. 437 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 6: Stoops beat Auburn that got Hugh Freeze fired last week. 438 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 6: If they lose, you know, to Louisville, if they lose 439 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 6: to Florida, I don't think Mark Stoops is all that safe, 440 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 6: even though he has the most school unfriendly buy out 441 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 6: in the country of thirty seven million dollars do within 442 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 6: sixty days of the firing, all in one lump. 443 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: Sum Wow, incredible. 444 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: I mean I try to get fired at this point, 445 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 3: that would be all right. So what about, like, I guess, 446 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: what's the value in firing these guys so early if 447 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: you're not gonna then make a hire. I mean, I 448 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 3: live in Central Pennsylvania, penn States losing recruits left and right. 449 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: I thought the whole point. 450 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: Of firing him early, if you're gonna do that, was 451 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: to get somebody else in there and rally. 452 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 6: But you're not going to hire somebody who's actually coaching 453 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 6: another team right now, they're gonna finish their season, So like, 454 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 6: who are you going to hire? You go hire an 455 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 6: NFL coach the you're just gonna leave their NFL team, Like, so, 456 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 6: then what's the boy? 457 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: You get Pat Fitzgerald? 458 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 6: You could get Pat Fitzgerald now, and I think he's 459 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 6: one who has multiple options and is waiting to see 460 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 6: could you what winds up? 461 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: Could you agree with an agent for a guy like 462 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 3: Bob Chesney from JMU, but just not announce it but 463 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: kind of. 464 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: Know that has happened many many times. 465 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 6: That's that happened with Scott Frost when he went from 466 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 6: UCF Nebraska. And you fire the coach during the season 467 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 6: to tell your fan base that you're making the change 468 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 6: that they're clamoring for. 469 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: To tell them you hear them. That's why you do it. 470 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 6: A lot of schools do it because they see a 471 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 6: ton of empty seats and they're like, oh god, the 472 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 6: fans are not even going to come back this season 473 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 6: if we don't do something and show them we care 474 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 6: enough to make a change. 475 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: Do you think Kurt Signetti has kind of ruined this 476 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: whole thing? 477 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: He's good. 478 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: I love it. 479 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 6: I think he has broken every bad coach's excuse. Well, 480 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 6: every bad coach who makes excuses, you just point to 481 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 6: Kurt Signetti No, like he can do it, why can't you? 482 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: Right? 483 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: But how much of that is I don't want to 484 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: say fluky because obviously they've accomplished at all. 485 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: Right, they've accomplished what they've accomplished. 486 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: But I guess my point would be, you can't all 487 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: be twelve and oh, you can't all be eleven and one. 488 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 6: You can't all be twelve and oh. But you also 489 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 6: can't be in year three or year four where your 490 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 6: trend line is heading down, your trajectory is heading down, 491 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 6: and you're saying, well, we just need more time to build. 492 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: No, you don't you know by year two if you 493 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: got if you made the right higher or not. You know. 494 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: Do you feel, though, Andy, like we should be at 495 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 3: the point in college football, especially when I look at 496 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: some of these SEC schedules and like who Florida had 497 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: to play this year or who Texas has to play? 498 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: I feel like this is just my perspective. I don't 499 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: think it should be as soon as you get a 500 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: third loss, we're going to fire you. When you have 501 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: the schedule. 502 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 6: Its Millionaier was twenty two and twenty three and three 503 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 6: plus seasons at Florida. I'm a Florida grade. I can 504 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 6: tell you right now five hundred football is not acceptable. 505 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: At the University of Florida. 506 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 6: Three and a half years is more than enough time 507 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 6: to get better than five hundred. 508 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 2: Man. So the way you're making it sound, this is 509 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: gonna be the new will. You either have standards or 510 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 2: you don't. That's really what it is now. 511 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 6: The Penn State one, yes, we can argue about that 512 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 6: one all day, because James Franklin was winning, was successful, 513 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 6: but he wasn't getting them what they wanted. 514 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: What they wanted national titles. And if that's what you. 515 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 6: Want, I'm not one to tell the consumer what they 516 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 6: do and don't want. The Penn State fans want national titles. Now, 517 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 6: getting that is going to be difficult. Like I think 518 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 6: the Penn State job, of all the ones open is 519 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 6: the toughest one to take right now because you will 520 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 6: be judged against what James Franklin was doing, which means 521 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 6: you'd better start winning double digit games immediately. You'd better 522 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 6: start competing for the Big Ten title and in the 523 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 6: College Football Playoff immediately. It's kind of like when Georgia 524 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 6: fired Mark Richt and hired Kirby Smart. He was in 525 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 6: the national title game in year two. Great, but year 526 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 6: one when he was you know, he I think he 527 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 6: was seven to five or six and six, it was like, 528 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 6: oh boy, what is this. 529 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: So you have to succeed immediately if you're in that job. 530 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 6: But like the Florida and he was not getting it done, 531 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 6: so they fired him. Auburn, he was not getting it done, 532 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 6: so they fired him. 533 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it's a great point about landing spot 534 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 3: because entry point means a great deal. Franklin by all accounting, 535 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: and it was a top ten program over the last 536 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 3: ten years. They just weren't top five. Penn State believes 537 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 3: they have the resources to be top five. I guess, 538 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 3: you know, Franklin used to say this all the time, 539 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 3: But I'll get your opinion. I'm not sure people realize 540 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 3: how hard it is to go from top ten to 541 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: top five, because. 542 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 2: Top five is exactly right. 543 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: It's Georgia, Alabama, it's Ohio State like that can only 544 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 3: be five in the top five. 545 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: It's the hardest part. It's the hardest move. 546 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 6: Dan Mullen mentioned that when he was at Florida, where 547 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 6: he wins ten games, he wins the Orange Bowl, and 548 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 6: they interview him on the field after the Orange Bowl 549 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 6: and he said, it's that eleventh and twelfth they're the 550 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 6: toughest step. And he was right, and I mean he 551 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 6: ended up gotting fired at Florida. It is very hard 552 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 6: the places where they expect national championships. The margins are 553 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 6: so thin, and they're going to make mistakes too, because 554 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 6: look at what Georgia did. They fired a really good 555 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 6: coach and Mark Richt, and they hired an even better 556 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 6: Coachan Kirby Smart. 557 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen most of the time. 558 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 6: Most of the time, the person you hire is not 559 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 6: going to be as good as the person you just fired. 560 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 6: If that person's winning ten games a year. 561 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: Check him out on social media. He's fantastic. He's all 562 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 3: over college football at Andy Underscore Staples. 563 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: We got a good weekend this weekend. 564 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: Indiana's double digit favorites against Penn State. That's a real 565 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: thing in society. It's unbelievable. Thank you, Andy, me, Thanks Ross. 566 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 567 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports radio 568 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 569 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: listen live. Let's go to my guy, Dan Brugler. I 570 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 3: try to get them all on my shows as often 571 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 3: as I can. Ross Tucker Football podcast. Sometimes he's doing 572 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 3: the College Draft podcast. He does a terrific work. I 573 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 3: don't know anybody that puts in the time that Dane does. Dan, 574 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: I want to start with this, thank you so much 575 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: for coming. 576 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: On the show. 577 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 3: As always, Who were your top and this is documents, 578 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: they don't try to lie now, who were your top 579 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 3: five quarterbacks coming into this year in college football for 580 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty sixth NFL Draft. 581 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 7: So if we go back to my top fifty that 582 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 7: came out in August, it would have been arch Manning, 583 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 7: Leonora Sellers, Garrett nus Meyer, Fernando Mendoza, and Drew Aller 584 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 7: top five, and they would have spanned between two and 585 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 7: like thirty five in the top fifty. Safe to say 586 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 7: that arch Manning, you know, projection has not panned out 587 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 7: the way we thought it would. I don't even think 588 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 7: we consider him a twenty twenty prospect anymore. We're looking 589 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 7: at him at twenty twenty seven and beyond nus Meyer. 590 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 7: Everything that's happened with that LSU offense. That's been a struggle. 591 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 7: Lenora Sellers is tough because the talent is evident and 592 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 7: you watch South Carolina play and I don't think that 593 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 7: the quarterbacks the problem. And so Lenora Seller is still 594 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 7: just twenty years old. He's a young player and he'll 595 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 7: have a big decision to make after this year about 596 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 7: what his future holds. He's a South Carolina kid. His 597 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 7: younger brother's on the team, so transferring is in exactly 598 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 7: the obvious answer for him. Do you go to the NFL? 599 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 7: Do you really think going back to South Carolina is 600 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 7: going to make you better? So Lenora Seller is kind 601 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 7: of in a weird spot. Fernando Mendoza was a top 602 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 7: twenty prospect coming in. He has only elevated himself with 603 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 7: where he's played as a first year starter at Indiana 604 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 7: coming over from cal He's got the Hoosiers as a 605 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 7: national title contender and then drew Aller. Unfortunately, things did 606 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 7: not play out the way he had hoped over the 607 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 7: first month of the and then, unfortunately for him, he 608 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 7: doesn't have the second half of the season to kind 609 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 7: of rectify that and make things better. After that season 610 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 7: ending ankle injury that is going to sideline him for 611 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 7: who knows how long. You know, hopefully we see him 612 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 7: back during the draft process, so you can throw for scouts. 613 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 3: All right, So who are like the top three or 614 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 3: four guys now? So you know, PAULI and I just 615 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: went over a bunch of teams might be drafting quarterbacks 616 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 3: in the top ten, it sounds like Mendoza is the 617 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: only guy that's still one of the top three or four. 618 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: Now, is that right? Well? 619 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 7: I think that if you're going to put odds on 620 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 7: it right now, I think Mendoza is the odds on 621 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 7: favor to be the first quarterback drafted. I think is 622 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 7: a very similar skill set to say like a Jared Goff, 623 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 7: where the physical traits aren't necessarily going to wow you, 624 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 7: but it's the football IQ. It's what he does pre 625 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 7: and post snap. That Indiana offense is very RPO heavy, 626 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 7: you know, so he does a great job of reading 627 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 7: the defense, understanding what they're trying to do, and then 628 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 7: finding solutions. Is very accurate. You see a lot of 629 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 7: back shoulders, you see a lot of in that RPO offense. 630 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 7: It's all based on the run. So it's something that 631 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 7: I'm hoping that we see Indiana Ohio State in the 632 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 7: Big Ten championship game, just to see Mendoza go up 633 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 7: against a defense the caliber of Ohio State. That'd be 634 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 7: really fun for evaluation purposes. But after Mendoza, then I 635 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 7: think you talk about Ty Simpson at Alabama. The trouble 636 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 7: with Ty Simpson is he's a first year starter. I mean, 637 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 7: he is the rare case of a player who graduated 638 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 7: college before he threw his first touchdown pass in college. 639 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 7: But you just don't see that in today's NFL because 640 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 7: if you're blocked in the depth chart, you're going to transfer. Well, 641 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 7: Ty Simpson, he's a five star kid, waited his turn 642 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 7: behind Bryce Young and then two years of Jalen Milroe 643 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 7: finally gets his chance now and you watch the tape 644 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 7: and you see an NFL starter. But if he declares 645 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 7: after this year, he's going to have thirteen, fourteen, fifteen starts, 646 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 7: and that's tough. You look back the last ten years 647 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 7: quarterbacks that have had twenty five or fewer star arts. 648 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 7: We're talking about the Mitchell Trubisky's, the Anthony Richardsons, you know, 649 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 7: the best quarterback who had such meager experience and has 650 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 7: done well. Is Sam Darnold, but he needed he's on 651 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 7: his fiftheam, he needed those bumps along the road to 652 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 7: become the quarterback that we're seeing today in Seattle. And 653 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 7: then Dante Moore at Oregon would be the other one 654 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 7: I would want to mention, but he's twenty years old, 655 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 7: still young. 656 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 2: Oregon pays well. 657 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 7: I think there's a good chance we see him go 658 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 7: back for another year for the Ducks. So a lot 659 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 7: will depend on these underclassmen in which guys come out. 660 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: It's kind of weird, though, Dane, because hearing you talk 661 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 3: and seeing what happened with especially I would say nuss Meyer, 662 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: Aller and Sellers. If I'm wreck, if I'm advising Simpson 663 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 3: more Mendoza, I feel like I tell him to go, 664 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 3: you know, because sometimes you come back for that next year, 665 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: you could play worse, you could get hurt. 666 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: There's a larger. 667 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 3: Sample size of people kind of picking out your works. 668 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: I mean, who's to say that if Simpson and Moore 669 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 3: and Mendoza all came back next year that they wouldn't 670 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 3: have this similar things happening to them that happened with 671 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: nuss Meyer, Aller, Sellers and Manning. 672 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 7: It's true, but I think, you know, there's two sides 673 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 7: of it, especially in today's nil when you know you could, 674 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 7: you know, Carson Beck could have left for the NFL 675 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 7: and maybe been a third round pick. But he you know, 676 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 7: he went back to school and he's gonna he's making 677 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 7: what four million dollars this year, and he's still probably 678 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 7: going to be a third or fourth round pick. You know, 679 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 7: with sellers, he's in a tough spot. But if he 680 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 7: were to be on the quote unquote open market in 681 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 7: college football, he would get paid pretty handsomely. And I 682 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 7: still think that his skill set will be very popular 683 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 7: when it comes to twenty twenty seven draft. But I 684 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 7: think it's very telling that the Jets, they were perfectly 685 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 7: fine picking up those twenty twenty seven draft picks the 686 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 7: first round when they made the trades this week, and 687 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 7: I think that is very intentional. When you look at 688 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 7: the quarterbacks this year and then the quarterbacks for next year, 689 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 7: I know it's very cliche to say, oh, just wait 690 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 7: for next year's class, it's going to be better. I 691 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 7: don't know, it's scouts. They look at it and they 692 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 7: think that's kind of true. This year. Next year you 693 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 7: talk about maybe an arch man, and we'll see where 694 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 7: he's at, Julian Sayin what he's doing at Ohio State. 695 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 7: They're looking at a twenty twenty seven quarterback class, especially 696 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 7: if Dante Moore goes back, le North Sellers goes back, 697 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 7: and thinking that twenty twenty seven quarterback class could be 698 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 7: where teams really think they can strike gold. And that'll 699 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 7: we'll see how and teams thought that last year. The 700 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 7: Browns thought it was a one quarterback draft last year 701 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 7: and that Cam Newton or excuse me, cam Ward went 702 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 7: number one, and so the Browns at number two, they 703 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 7: went to Plan B and you know that's how things 704 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 7: played out for them. 705 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: This year. 706 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 7: We'll see who comes out. I think Fernando Mendoza will 707 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 7: come out and then any other underclassman, and that there'll 708 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 7: be a trickle down effect. There'll be a domino effect 709 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 7: of how these teams operate, and you know how they 710 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 7: look to move around in the draft. 711 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 3: All right, So Dane, I don't want you to say 712 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 3: anything other than this guy's name because I know your answer, 713 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 3: because I've seen your answer. But I'm gonna see something 714 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 3: with the guys. Your number one prospect for the twenty 715 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 3: twenty six NFL Draft. 716 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: Right now? What is his name? 717 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 7: Rvil Rees? 718 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: Okay, Fritzy, who does rvel Reese play for? No clue, Seaton? 719 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: What position does rvel Rees play? Linebacker? Marvin? Do you 720 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: know either the answers to do you know the answer 721 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: to either one of those questions? Edge? 722 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna think that, Paul, do you know about r. L. 723 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: Reese? I read his stuff before he came on. I 724 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 2: read Dane stuff before he came out. Okay, so you cheated. Yes, 725 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 2: I'm not cheated. I read before the question. But isn't 726 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 2: that isn't that crazy? That the number one? I mean Dane. 727 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 3: I never heard of the guy last year, so he 728 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 3: didn't play last year and now he's just getting time. 729 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 2: He's an edge. 730 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 3: Rusher for Ohio State. And I see Dane's clips on 731 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 3: social media. He's awesome. Where do they get these guys? 732 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: Because he came out of nowhere and he's now your 733 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 3: number one prospect. 734 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 7: Well, he's he's a Cleveland, Glenville kid, and so he 735 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 7: he did start a few games last year, but it 736 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 7: was more in an injury situation. But yeah, it's rare 737 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 7: to find sixty four, two hundred and forty pound linebackers, 738 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 7: and Ohio State has two of them. With Sunny Styles 739 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 7: and r VLA Reese, both are going to be first 740 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 7: round picks. Reese, the way he has played this year 741 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 7: and really elevated his game, he is that true hybrid 742 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 7: where you want to play him off the ball, he 743 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 7: can do that. You want to play him on the edge, 744 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 7: he has shown that he can do that with his length, 745 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 7: with his power, the violence in his hands is phenomenal. 746 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 7: And so you see a guy like Abdul Carter go 747 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 7: high last year, that's what we're looking at right now 748 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 7: with with r VL Reese, a similar type of player 749 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 7: in terms of impact and what you think you're getting. 750 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 7: But I you know, coming into the year, r VL 751 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 7: Reese wasn't in my top fifty because it was all 752 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 7: potential and it was all okay, we've we've seen, but 753 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 7: until we see a snap in, snap out, it's still 754 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 7: a wait and see type of situation. But I think 755 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 7: it was evident from the first game against Texas, this 756 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 7: guy is different. The different ways you can deploy him. 757 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 7: He could be a spy and he's going to have 758 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 7: the burst to chase, chase down the quarterback you want 759 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 7: to go up against a guard one on one. He 760 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 7: can do that because he can win with power, he 761 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 7: can win with quickness if you want to drop him 762 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 7: in space. In coverage, he can cover a wheel route, 763 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 7: cover an angle route with a running back. So it's 764 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 7: just everything that he does is really impressive. But I 765 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 7: do think relative to most years, he would not be 766 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 7: exactly what you're looking for in the top player in 767 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 7: the draft. This is a very light year relative to 768 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 7: other years when we're talking about top five overall picks. 769 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 7: So if you don't love one of these quarterbacks, this 770 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 7: year might not be a great year to be drafting 771 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 7: in that top five. 772 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 3: So, as I was saying, Dan Brugler has no idea 773 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 3: what he's talking about. Number one player in college football 774 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: wasn't even in his top fifty before the season. So 775 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 3: don't follow Dane on social media at DP Brugs. 776 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 2: He's got no idea. 777 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 3: So Dane, last question for you, Big game tomorrow, Texas 778 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 3: Tech BYU. Now they both have some real dudes, right, 779 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 3: and I think this is as a result of nil 780 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 3: that you know Texas Tech brought these guys. I mean, 781 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 3: there are like legit NFL high round picks on these 782 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 3: teams tomorrow, right. 783 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 7: No doubt, and specifically Texas Tech, especially at defense, and 784 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 7: that's not what you think of when you think Texas 785 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 7: Tech football, right. But David Bailey coming over from Stanford, 786 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 7: he's going to be a first round pick, maybe a 787 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 7: top fifteen pick. He's a bullet off the edge. The 788 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 7: speed that he plays with converting that speed to power 789 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 7: really impressive. Romelo height on the other side, not as 790 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 7: highly ranked as a prospect, but he'll still be drafted 791 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 7: and be someone that is part of a rotation Jacob 792 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 7: Rodriguez at linebacker, and then on the interior, guys like 793 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,959 Speaker 7: Lee Hunter, a defensive tackle who's former five star kid. 794 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 4: And so this is. 795 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 7: A Texas Tech has been pooning up the cash and 796 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 7: it's paying out in a big way when we watch 797 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 7: the games, and we'll see it on draft weekend when 798 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 7: we see a lot of those Texas Tech defenders drafted. 799 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 7: I do think Texas Tech's gonna win that game and 800 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 7: they're going to be in pole position to win the 801 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 7: Big twelve and get one of those spots in the 802 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 7: College Football Playoff. 803 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: That is Dane Brugler. 804 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 3: He's the NFL draft analyst for the Athletic he's fantastic. 805 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 3: I try to get him on the Ross Tucker podcast 806 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 3: as often as I can. 807 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: Check him out on Twitter x at dp Brugler. 808 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 3: But just go ahead and subscribe to all this stuff 809 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 3: over at the Athletic. 810 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 2: There's nobody better. 811 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 3: Dan. 812 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, man, really appreciate it. 813 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 7: Now you say I'm you're the best. 814 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 2: Ross