1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Tom Silverstein has been covering the Packers for 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, covering the Packers for over thirty 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: years now, ever had a situation like this, Tom, Yes, 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: he just just go back to Brett Varve. You know, 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: it's like I'm doomed to cover this at the end 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: of a Hall of famer's career every time. So if 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Jordan Love becomes a Hall of Famer and I last 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: that long, I'll be expecting the same thing. How would 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: you recapy yesterday? It was it was crazy. You know, 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: I didn't expect. I didn't expect that Rogers would test 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: positive and then find out he was unvaccinated. You know, 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: when he gave his press conference on the twenty sixth 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: of August and talked about being immunized, it struck me funny, 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: It really did, because I try to listen to his 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: word he is he is a crap esent when it 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: comes to wordplay. But he started talking and talking more 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: about vaccination, and I bought into it. And I'm kicking 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: myself today that I didn't doubt it more. But it 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: was a surprise, and you know, it's it's the time 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: of COVID and these things are happening all over. How 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: complicit are the packers in this, That's a good question. 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna find out a little bit. I've got to 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: think that there was some rules bent. But you know 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: the thing about it is everything is recorded in their facility. 26 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: So if there were violations, where was the NFL? Because 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: the NFL goes through these violations or through these tapes, 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: and that's where they end up finding teams and they've 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: done it, you know, at the Raiders, and I forgot 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: what the other teams were. So I think the NFL 31 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: is probably complicit. If indeed there were violent LANs. What 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: was the local reaction to this? Well, you know, it's hard. 33 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: It's sort of like the politics in the state. You're 34 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: either on one side or the other. Either love Rogers 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: or you're mad about what happened in the off season. 36 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: And so those who are mad about what happened in 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: the offseason are really mad today. I mean, they're just 38 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: dug in and those who love them. It kind of 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: depends where you weigh in on the vaccination thing too. 40 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: I think those who are really pro vaccination are kind 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: of losing their love for him. I brought this up 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: at the start of the show. I think in rogers 43 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: head his mind that he was protected his way, that hey, 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: I've did research, I did it the holistic way. Now 45 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: he did apply for this and was turned down by 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: the NFL, but he might have in his head thought, hey, 47 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm I raised my antibodies and i'm emmy not and 48 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, are you vaccinated? Whoever asked the question, 49 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: he said yeah, and then he said I'm immunized, and 50 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: then he goes on to say, but yeah, it's a 51 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: personal choice, and you know, I'm not here to basically 52 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: say who should or shouldn't get, you know, vaccinated or not. 53 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: So that's what I was wondering here, that Rogers may 54 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: have thought he was he was protected doing the right thing. Yeah. 55 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that's a you've thought, Dan, 56 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, because here's how I looked at it was, 57 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: this is a contractually. You know, the rules here were 58 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: collectively bargained between the NFL and the players union, and 59 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: Rogers has been part. He was part of that negotiation 60 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: when they came up with the contract, the last contract. 61 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: So he's not dumb enough to know not know that 62 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: this was a this is a contractual thing. It's right there. 63 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: It says you have to have the moderna, the Fiser 64 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: or or the other one Johnson and Johnson. No other 65 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: vaccines count. It says it right in the contracts. So 66 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't believe that he knew what he was doing. 67 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: He knew exactly what he was doing. He doesn't believe 68 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: in the vaccination, and I feel he should have just 69 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: been honest about it. Do the packers respond today? In 70 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: what way? Do does somebody get in front of a 71 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: camera or the microphone and explain what they knew when 72 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: they knew it, you know, management, what went on behind 73 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: the scenes here, Because what I was told by a 74 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: source this morning, the packers, you know, from this person's 75 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: standpoint or complicit in this that you know, they may 76 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: have not wanted to upset Aaron Rodgers. They may have 77 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, hey, we're in it together. We'll 78 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: take the bullet for you, We'll turn our head. Yeah. 79 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: I think that's probably there's some truth to that. I 80 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: think I I think there were some rules bent. I 81 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: don't know to what extent. You know, I'm un totally. 82 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: He wears a mask, but you know, from just our 83 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: standpoint the media. You know, he didn't wear them at 84 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: press conferences, and I don't know if that's a violation. 85 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: That's still up in the air. We didn't see it 86 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: like on the sideline or after games, you know, like 87 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: he knew he was not vaccinated and walking up to 88 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: other players and things like that. He doesn't have to, 89 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: but it's hard to know exactly what was going on 90 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And no, I don't think they'll address it. 91 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't think they'll say another word about their role 92 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: in at Matt Floor was pretty clear yesterday that he's 93 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: not saying anything. So it'll come out the investigation, and honestly, 94 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't think anything's going to come out of that. 95 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: They're not gonna slap someone really hard for Aaron Rodgers, 96 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: especially when they're probably the NFL's probably complicit in it 97 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. No, but then you had the Saints 98 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: got dinged on this, the Titans got dinged on this, 99 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: the Raiders got dinged on this. So I don't think 100 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: the Packers are out of the woods here, all right. 101 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: Jordan Love expectations. What should the expectations be for Jordan 102 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: Loves Sunday. I think there should be some expectation. It's 103 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: a it's a year and a half into his career, 104 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. It's time. I mean, he 105 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: had a little bit of action in the New Orleans 106 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: game and moved the ball, had like a fifty eight 107 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: yard drive till he got sacked and fumbled at the 108 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: five yard line. I think there's expectation. This is this 109 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: is exactly his moment, I think, and he's got to 110 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: step up and be that guy and at least, I mean, 111 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to beat the Chiefs, but he's got 112 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: to play competitively. You got a story either way. If 113 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: Love plays well, okay, maybe we do have our future. 114 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: If he doesn't play well, then what's the story. What's 115 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: the angle there? It's not the end of the world. 116 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: It's you know, he's gonna get another chance. I don't 117 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: think Rogers I was going to stay five believe. I 118 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: don't think Rogers is gonna play against Seattle. I mean 119 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: he's not free until November thirteenth, and then that's assuming 120 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: everything is okay. So I think Love could end up 121 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: starting two games and we'll know then. I mean they're 122 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: gonna make a judgment too or after the season. Now 123 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: if five five Rogers wins the super Bowl, or they 124 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: Packers win the super Bowl and Rogers decides he wants 125 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: to stay, they still have to make a decision. You know, 126 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: is maybe Jordan Love if he balls out these next 127 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: two games, they just decide we're going with him. You 128 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: got PTSD. I think when it comes total Packer core quarterbacks, 129 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: there can do you think compared to the drama that 130 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: surrounded far but that one, that one is branded on me, 131 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, like like a big wealth just it'll never 132 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: I'll never get over that period. And so no, I 133 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: don't think this is quite reaches that, but it is interesting. 134 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: This one's a little more interesting. The other one was 135 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: just tedious and brutal. The cold weather home field advantage 136 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: for the Packers. You know, when we get to the 137 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: playoffs and NFC Title Game, I mean, is that still real? 138 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: Do you think it is to some degree? I mean 139 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't for Tampa Bay last year, and the reason 140 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: was because they have Tom Brady and because they have 141 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: a defense. But you know, for teams like Tennessee came 142 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: in and just got you know, they just weren't ready 143 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: for it and just fell apart. So it kind of 144 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: depends who you bring in and which team. But I 145 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: tend to think it's only a factor if it's just 146 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: brutally cold, you know, if it's just like zero degrees 147 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: and it hasn't been like that in a while. And 148 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: even then, if you remember, Jim Harbrough brought a team 149 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and it was just ghastly cold and 150 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: they beat the Packers. So I don't think it's like 151 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: a cure all. It's that Rogers because he's so skilled 152 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: and able to play in the cold, that that's why 153 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: they went. It was the same with five great stuff. Tom. 154 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: I know you got a busy day ahead of you. 155 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: We appreciate your time as always. Yeah, it was great 156 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: being with you. Take care of Thanks for listening to 157 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us 158 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or six 159 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 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The peripatetic Ross 170 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: Tucker Ross, How are you today? Fantastic? Always? What's up? Dan? 171 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football? Mike White versus the Colts. If he 172 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: plays extremely well, do the Jets then have a is 173 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: it a good thing or bad thing? If Mike White 174 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: plays really well tonight against the Colts. I think it's 175 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: a fair question. Ultimately it's a good thing. I think 176 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: in the short term it might be a little bit 177 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: of an issue for the Jets they have to sort through. 178 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: But at a minimum, you don't want to rush Zach 179 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: Wilson back from this injury. So you want Mike White 180 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: to win. You want Mike White to play well. They're 181 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: trying to build something there, a new culture with Robert 182 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: Sala and the Jets, so absolutely they want Mike White 183 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: to play well. I know some Jets fans kind of 184 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: have mixed emotions, like, wait a minute, why does he 185 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: look better than Zach Wilson does. We'll see that happens tonight. 186 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: You know it's funny, Dan, I was talking with Greg 187 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: Kosell this morning on the Ross Tucker Podcast, and he 188 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: just mentioned the Bengals were really conservative and vanilla against 189 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Mike White last Sunday. I mean, they really just played zone, 190 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: and I think the Colts will be much more aggressive tonight. 191 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure Mike White will play that well, but 192 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: if he does, I know this, I'll personally be thrilled 193 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: for him. Any of these guys, Dan Cooper, Rush, Mike White, 194 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: these guys get you has actually started a game. They've 195 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: been just battling, scratching, clawing to stay in the league 196 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: for years. I always root for these guys. Is it 197 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: a better story if Jordan Love plays well or doesn't 198 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: play well against Kansas City? Oh? I think it's a 199 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: better Well. I guess it depends on your perspective. I 200 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: think it's a more interesting story. How about if you're 201 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: a Packer fan, Is it better that he plays well? 202 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: No guarantee he wins, but he plays well or he 203 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: doesn't play well. Oh, Okay, that's totally different. Packers fan. 204 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: You absolutely want Jordan Love to play well. Number one, 205 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: you want to give your team a chance to win 206 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: the game. But number two, you want to feel pretty 207 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: good about what you have in Love when Rogers isn't 208 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: there anymore, which is very likely next year. So you 209 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: absolutely hope Jordan Love plays well. Now for us, it 210 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: would be interesting if Jordan Love really played poorly. That 211 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: would make the offseason even more interesting. And frankly, it 212 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: would make the entire conversation surrounding Aaron Rodgers and you know, 213 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: testing positive and not being backs. They would make that 214 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: even more interesting if Love it plays really poorly. What 215 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: do you think happens with the Packers? Are they complicit 216 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: in what happened with Aaron Rodgers and what happens to 217 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? You know, bigger picture with not just being 218 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: out with COVID? But is he fine? Is he suspended? 219 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: I think there's going to have to be some sort 220 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: of discipline. Now, I will say this, I don't follow 221 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: the rules that closely of when they have to wear 222 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: a mask or what they have to do if they're unvaccinated, 223 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: but at a minimum, it feels like Aaron Rodgers and 224 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: the Packers organization were misleading in this instance, so I'll 225 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: be curious to see how the NFL comes down. They 226 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: know it's a very sensitive topic, and frankly, other teams 227 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: are watching the thing. I keep coming back to, though, 228 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: Dan is you know I hear all the time whether 229 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: or not you're vaccinate. It's a personal decision, personal decision, 230 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: I get that, but not really when you play for 231 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: a team, right, Like, not really for a couple of 232 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: different reason. I mean, number one, you know, we've all 233 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: read that you're less likely to test positive, less likely 234 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: to transmit it, all those things if you're vaccinated. So 235 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: if you're not vaccinated, you're really not quite doing what's 236 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: best for the team. And then even just forget that 237 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: part of it, just the NFL NFLPA rules. I mean, 238 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: say Quon Barkley tests are positive, but because he's vaccinated, 239 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: if he gets back to back negative tests, he can 240 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: play in the next game, whereas Rogers is out at 241 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: least ten days might put him out for the next game. 242 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're a leader and you're 243 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: part of a team, it's not really the personal decision 244 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: that people talk about all the time. It's it's kind 245 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: of a team decisions us. You if you're a leader 246 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: and winning the Super Bowl, going to it, winning it 247 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: is supposed to be a high priority for you. I 248 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: was not accused of being naive, but it was mentioned 249 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: I might be naive because in my mind, I'm thinking Rogers, 250 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: in his mind, thinks that he was protected, that he had, 251 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, this holistic approach and raise your antibodies and 252 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: you're going to be because he said when he was asking, hey, 253 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: have you been vaccinated, and he goes, yeah, I've been immunized. Well, 254 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: nobody in the room thought to ask him, Okay, is 255 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: he playing games with words here? That maybe in his 256 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: mind he thought he was protected. Although I was told 257 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: maybe you're being naive and giving Rogers too much credit, 258 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: that he didn't know what he was doing, didn't believe 259 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: in getting vaccinated, and was sort of taking chances here 260 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: of being a spreader or getting in it himself. Well, 261 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: it sounds like he's got this personal doctor that he 262 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: really believes in, and if they did some type of 263 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: therapy to try to boost his antibodies. I think on 264 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: some level Rogers probably did think he was protected. But 265 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: to me, Dan, that's not the point. Like Aaron is 266 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: a really smart guy and the rules were very clear 267 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: from the NFL and the NFLPA. So listen, you don't 268 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: have to agree with the rules, and I know a 269 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: lot of people don't, but these are the rules of 270 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: engagement for the twenty twenty one season. So if it's 271 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: really important to you to win as many games as possible, 272 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: to try to win a Super Bowl, all those things, 273 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: you really should be vaccinated, right Like, if that's a 274 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: high or priority one, win games, win the super Bowl. 275 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: Because of the way the rules are laid out this year, 276 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: you really should be vaccinated if that's a high priority 277 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, but he doesn't have to be vaccinated. 278 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: You have Carson Wentz who said I'm not vaccinated, Alan Lazard, 279 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, they've come out and said they're not vaccinated. 280 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: Well they're still playing. I don't know why Rodgers didn't 281 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: just say, look, I'm not vaccinated. I've been immunized and 282 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: I'll go through the COVID protocol. Then. I don't know 283 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: if anybody would have a problem with this, because when's 284 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: the last time Kirk Cousins or Carson Wentz's name came 285 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: up that they're not vaccinated. I said at the beginning 286 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: of the year, you're gonna have a situation where you 287 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: have a big time quarterback test positive and we're going 288 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: to see what the fallout is in that quarterback room. Well, 289 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: Jordan loves somehow escape this, and the third string quarterback 290 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: has Covid, Davante Adams coming off covid, Alan Lazard with Covid. 291 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if Aaron Rodgers is responsible for that, 292 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: but I'm curious if you're a teammate of Aaron Rodgers 293 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: and you know he did this. Was he being deceitful? 294 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: He was he trying to, you know, be vague and 295 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: look at what the fallout is here? And why did 296 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: the Packers know as well? Because did they just say, hey, 297 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: whatever we do, let's don't upset Aaron given what happened 298 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: in the off season. Yeah, I mean, listen, he didn't 299 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: want all the criticism that goes along with not being vaccinated. Okay, 300 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: he knows it's a polarizing topic, and he didn't want 301 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: to face the wrath of the media. It's that simple, 302 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: because otherwise he would have totally owned it. And I 303 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: actually give credit to Kirk Cousins and Carson Wentz for 304 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: owning it. Here's the thing though, Dan, I really believe 305 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: that if Cousins and Wentz test it positive and miss 306 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: games in the regular season, I think we would be 307 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: up in arms. Anyway, they both test it positive in 308 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: the preseason, so they already missed their time during preseason. 309 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: I said back then, if this happens to a guy 310 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: that's especially unvaccinated during the season, it's going to be 311 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: a really big deal, and it is. If Cousins or 312 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: Wentz testa positive now and had to miss ten days, 313 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: maybe two games, I think they'd be getting a lot 314 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: of flack as well. Maybe not as much as Rogers 315 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: because people didn't know that Rogers was unvaccinated, but they'd 316 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: still be getting a lot of criticism. He's Ross Tucker, 317 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: former NFL lineman. He works for CBS Westwood One and 318 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: host of the Ross Tucker Football podcast. You can follow 319 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: him at Ross Tucker, NFL The Odell Beckham Junior Situation. 320 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: Does he have a point about Baker Mayfield, Well, he 321 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: can be frustrated that he doesn't get the ball more. 322 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: But Dan, I played for five teams. I never once 323 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: met a wide receiver that didn't think they should get 324 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: the ball more. And this video his dad puts out there. 325 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, anybody could do a video. Look, you know what, 326 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: da you know, I'm gonna put a video out there 327 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: five minutes of my NFL career and everybody will think 328 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: I was really, really good. Guess what I wasn't You 329 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: can do anything with video, maybe about three minutes. But 330 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: the point is is, Okay, so his dad posts a 331 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: video of when he's opened and doesn't get the ball. 332 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: Every receiver's dad can do that. And by the way, 333 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: what are you doing having your dad do that? And 334 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: don't tell me Odell wasn't in on it because it's 335 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: not a coincidence. At the same day, Lebron James tweets 336 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: free o b j okay like this is an orchestrated, 337 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: coordinated thing. Frankly, honestly, this is really bad. I mean 338 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed for him, Like I'm embarrassed that he had 339 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: his dad do that. I mean, what's next him next 340 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: time I'm filling in for you? Am I gonna have 341 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: my mom call you and ask if I can get 342 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: a little bit more money When I feel like, what 343 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: are we Like, You're a grown man, You're an adult, 344 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: And honestly, it's cowardly, like I have a lot more 345 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: respect for guys that say, you know, I wish I 346 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: was getting the ball more. I'm not happy you have 347 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: your buddy Lebron tweets something and your dad post a video. 348 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: It's passive, aggressive, pathetic. Do you think though, he has 349 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: a point that Baker Mayfield is just not a good 350 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: enough quarterback. I don't think that's his point. I think 351 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: it is. I think he's saying, I'm open he can't 352 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: make these throws. He doesn't, he doesn't pull the trigger 353 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: quick enough. And if you look at now, granted it's 354 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: eleven minutes that's been edited together to make Odell look 355 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: good and Baker to look bad, but there are moments 356 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: that fill up eleven minutes, even though some are in 357 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: slow motion, that Baker Mayfield does miss throws with Odell Beckham. Yeah, 358 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: but they all do. I mean, I think there's two 359 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: different things. If he just doesn't like Baker, doesn't think 360 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's good enough, okay, I think he thinks that 361 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: Baker doesn't look for him. I think he thinks that 362 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: that Baker doesn't want to throw him the ball. Okay, 363 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: But look, Baker needs Odell Beckham to get a new contract, right, 364 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't agree. I actually think if you look at 365 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: it over the last couple of years, they're better without him. Well, 366 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want Odell Beckham on my team, 367 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: but he is extremely talented, and I do think that 368 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: you need to put up some passing numbers. You know, 369 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: they're a running team, and there's a reason why, because 370 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: they're more confident in running the football than they are 371 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: passing it. Even with Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham, most 372 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: teams would be a pass team first. I think there's 373 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: still questions with Baker Mayfield here. I don't like the 374 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: way O'Dell did this, but I think O'Dell did it 375 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: because he knew, Hey, go ahead and cut me and 376 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: pay me, and I'll go find another team. Well, there's 377 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: definitely questions with Baker Mayfield, especially as it relates to 378 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: whether or not he gets a big time, long term contract, 379 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: But as it relates to Odell Beckham Junior, I don't 380 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: only know how talented he really is anymore. And Baker 381 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Mayfield and the Browns have clearly played better without him. 382 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: Throw the ball to Landry, throw the ball at donand 383 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: people's jones. They've got three good tight ends. Their backs 384 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: are excellent out of the backfield. They don't need Odell 385 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: Beckham Junior. But he was smart the way he timed it. Yeah, 386 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: because no one's gonna pick him up on waivers now 387 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: because of his salary. So if they cut him, he'll 388 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: be able to sign with whatever team he wants. I mean, 389 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: they're they're trying to figure out the money right now. 390 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: They want to get rid of him. If if he 391 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: wasn't guaranteed all this money, he would have been cut already. Yeah. 392 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: I think that he's you know, they held him out 393 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: of practice again today, and I think according to the CBA, 394 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: Mike Florio said, you're not allowed to do that. You 395 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: can't hold him out. He has to be able to 396 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: come back if he wants to come back, So you 397 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: have to either allow him to come back or you 398 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: release him. And I think that's what he's hoping for. 399 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: And who knows where he ends up, but it feels 400 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: like he's gonna get paid and then get paid again 401 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: and going to get his get out of jail card. 402 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: Who really wants him? I mean, the the Saints would 403 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: take him right now. Yeah, you know what, that's fair, 404 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: and I think they probably would. I don't think you 405 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: get a lot of money. But he's injured lot, he's 406 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: not productive, he doesn't get along with quarterbacks like Eli 407 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: Manning and Baker Mayfield. And this is the second time 408 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: in a row that he's kind of tried to force 409 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: his way out. Who's looking for that? I mean, that's 410 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: the Grand Slam, right there? Of four things I don't 411 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: want on my team. Yeah, but Antonio Brown, he got 412 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: a couple of second chances, third chances. Much better player 413 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: I think than Odell Is at this time. I agree, 414 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: But you're right, he'll go. He'll go to the Saints 415 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: or somewhere, and I guess he'll get the ball more. 416 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, I don't think he's 417 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: very good anymore, but I think he realizes that people 418 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: are feeling that way and he wants to go somewhere 419 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: else to prove that he's still got it. Great to 420 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: talk to you, Ross has always Thank you, Buddy, safe travels, absolutely, 421 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: thank you Sea. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick 422 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: Show podcast. 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What is Up on Game? 430 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler t J. 431 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: Hudshmansatta and Super Bowl champion Yep, that's right, Plexico Birds. 432 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: You can only name a show with that type of 433 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: talent on it. Up on Game. We're going to be 434 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen 435 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: to Up on Game with Me LeVar Arrington, t J Huschmansatta, 436 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio App, Apple Podcasts or 437 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts from Yesterday, at this time, 438 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: the Odell Beckham story was sort of simmering. It's not 439 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: simmering any longer. Mary Kay Cabot covers The Browns, a 440 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: writer for Cleveland dot Com, The Plane d and a 441 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: Browns analyst for wuk YC TV. Mary Kay, how would 442 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: you sum up the last twenty four hours? Well, it's 443 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: been really crazy, But I think when you trade for 444 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: an Odell Beckham Junior. You have to plan that you 445 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: might have a little bit of zaniness with the program 446 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: that comes along with the immense talent that he is 447 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: at times. But it's it's been stressful on everyone. It's 448 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: been a difficult inside that building in Barrea. There's been 449 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: a basically a firestorm going on in there, and it 450 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: just needs a resolution. Okay, when is that resolution going 451 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: to happen? You know, I think it might take a 452 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: little time, but I do think that Odell Beckham Junior 453 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: has played his last ball for the Cleveland Bronze. I 454 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: really think the only thing left to do is figure 455 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: out some kind of an exit plan. Whether that is 456 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: a settlement that requires some money given back, or whether 457 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: it require you know, it takes an outright release, whatever 458 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: it is, I think it's over. Was OBJ at the 459 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: facility yesterday, No, he was not. He was told to 460 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: stay home yesterday and the same thing has happened today. 461 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: He really is no longer a part of the team. 462 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: And again his agent is talking to Brown's GM Andrew Berry, 463 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: and they're basically just trying to work out some kind 464 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: of an arrangement where he is no longer playing football 465 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: for the Browns. How long has this been building? Well, 466 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think he came into this season really 467 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: committed to helping this team win and ready to go. 468 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: He rehabbed from the torn acl and he was a 469 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: good teammate and just the good citizen all the way up, 470 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: I think, pretty much until he got one target against 471 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: the Steelers in that fifteen ten loss for six yards, 472 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: one catch for six yards in a game in which 473 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: they scored ten points, and he was on the field 474 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: for forty three snaps, so it wasn't like he wasn't 475 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: out there. So I think that was it. I think 476 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: his camp basically just forget it, We're done. We've got 477 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: to get you out of here, and that's what happened. 478 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: But I wonder, and I don't know if you can 479 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: tell us, does he think that Baker Mayfield is avoiding 480 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: him on purpose on the football field or does he 481 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: think Baker Mayfield is just inept Well, I think it's 482 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: probably a mixture of And I don't know if Odell 483 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: per Se feels us, but I feel like his sort 484 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: of his camp, his inner circle believes. Obviously we know 485 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: this from what his dad posted, that Baker wasn't going 486 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: to Odell at times when he was open. And I 487 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: also think that they believe that you know that Odell 488 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: would fare better with a higher caliber quarterback. I'm wondering, 489 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: if you put this to a fan vote, do you 490 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: want to resign Baker Mayfield to a long term contract, 491 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: a max stee where you're going to pay him at 492 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: least forty million dollars? What do you think the Cleveland 493 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: fans would vote? You know what, I think that the 494 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: Cleveland fans are still, for the most part, behind Baker Mayfield, 495 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: and I think that the Browns still believe that he 496 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: is their quarterback of the future. At least that's the 497 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: vibe I have been getting over the past month or 498 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: so that they really still believe in him and feel 499 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: like there have been some extenuating circumstances this season, injuries 500 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: on the part of Baker and those around him. Do 501 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: you believe that he's the future? You know what? I 502 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: wonder sometimes if he is or not. I'm not as 503 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: convinced as I was maybe at the end of twenty eighteen. 504 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: But still, here's the thing. The receiving corps hasn't really 505 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: necessarily done an amazing job this year. I mean, Odell 506 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: has been a non factor. Jarvis has been out of 507 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: the lineup most of the time. Kareem Hunt is gone. 508 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to pass any judgment on Baker Mayfield 509 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: this season until I can see him out there with 510 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: a whole compliment around him. He hasn't had again Dream 511 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: Hunt Jarvis Odell, not one game has he had that 512 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: whole offense around it. How close did the Browns come 513 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: to trading Odell Beckham at the trade deadline. I don't 514 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: think they came really close, because you know, he still 515 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: has about seven million dollars left that he's owed this season, 516 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: and I just don't really think anybody was willing to 517 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: pick that up or could pick that up. There aren't 518 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: that many teams that have that kind of cap space 519 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: handicapped this team second half of the season within their 520 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: own division. As far as just making it to the playoffs, well, 521 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be really tough because of 522 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: what those Cincinnati Bengals are doing. And this game on 523 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: Sunday is enormous and you can hear Kevin Stevanski talking 524 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: about it in terms of we're desperate and our lives 525 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: depend on it. I think the Browns have got to 526 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: use this really as a rallying cry. I think it's 527 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: time for Baker Mayfield to show who he is and 528 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: what he is as a leader and really kind of 529 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: lead this team to the playoffs. They can still do it. 530 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: They've got five division games left, You've got the Ravens 531 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: coming up twice here. Yes, so you know they have 532 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 1: the opportunity to do it. But they're going to have 533 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: to dig deep and somehow this team is going to 534 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: have to really turn it around and find the passing 535 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: game that's basically non existent right now. Thank you, Mary Kay. 536 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. As always, thanks for having me