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Speaker 1: This is the business of sports. Should Major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: future of IndyCar racing is looking bright. Scott Sashnik very

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Speaker 1: basic math here, more bidders means more money. Evan Nobody Williams.

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Speaker 1: The team value has essentially quadruples. And the leaders in

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Speaker 1: the sports industry time to bring in our guest, al Stinbrunner,

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Speaker 1: National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Betman, Atlanta Braves president Derek Schiller,

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Speaker 1: Patriots President Jonathan Kraft. Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm Scott so, I'm Evan, Novie Williams, and I'm Michael

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Speaker 1: Barr And this is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast,

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Speaker 1: where like that too, explore the big money issues in

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Speaker 1: the world of sports today. We begin with Nike and

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Speaker 1: Tarriffs and shoe companies and my, oh my, the trade

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Speaker 1: war that's taken place with China is having issues. More

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Speaker 1: than a hundred seventy shoe retailers, including Nike, under Armour, Adidas,

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Speaker 1: rodyns Foot Locker U and Off Broadway Shoe Warehouse have

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Speaker 1: penda letter to the White House asking President Trump to

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Speaker 1: consider a halt in raising tariffs on footwear imported from China.

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Speaker 1: How's your breathing bar for our listeners? You were just

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Speaker 1: running from studios to studio when you came back and

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Speaker 1: you were a little out of breath. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: I know, but you settled like you did that hope.

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Speaker 1: I was weasing before we start, but you composed yourself.

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Speaker 1: and maybe they'll get more expensive. We know they're gonna

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Speaker 1: White House last week laid out, you know, it's list

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Speaker 1: saying that, you know, the China is going to pay

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Speaker 1: professional women's hockey. The Pagoula's Terry and Kim Pagoula, who

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