Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of Criminalia. This season, we're exploring the lives and
Speaker 1: motivations of some of the most notorious stalkers throughout history.
Speaker 1: I'm Maria Tremarking and I'm Holly Fry and today we
Speaker 1: are talking about Adele Hugo. That's Adele Hugo in the
Speaker 1: americanized version, which is what we're going to be using. Right,
Speaker 1: that's how you'll be hearing me said. Right. So, Adele
Speaker 1: was born in in Paris. She was the fifth and
Speaker 1: the youngest child of the French poet, novelist and dramatist
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo and his wife Adele Fouchet. And you'll recognize
Speaker 1: her father's name from those famous novels that he has written.
Speaker 1: We all probably had to read one in high school
Speaker 1: if you grew up in a US city. So we're
Speaker 1: talking about things like The Hunchback of No Trade Dome
Speaker 1: and Lemis rob and her family, as you might suspect,
Speaker 1: was comfortably affluent. And Adele, her sister Leopoldine, and her
Speaker 1: brother's sharrows and Francois Victor, grew up surrounded by music
Speaker 1: and the arts, and her father's famous friends and their
Speaker 1: intellectual and literary conversations. She did have another brother, Leopold,
Speaker 1: who was born in eight three. However, he had died
Speaker 1: as an infant, and Leopoldine would also die tragically later
Speaker 1: in her life in a boating accident during her honeymoon.
Speaker 1: So by all accounts, though Adele was a bit of
Speaker 1: a sullen child who spent most of her day at
Speaker 1: the piano, she grew up to be an accomplished musician,
Speaker 1: and she was an intelligent and ambitious young woman. She
Speaker 1: was known for her beauty and her long dark hair,
Speaker 1: and she sat for portraits by several well known Parisian artists.
Speaker 1: In fact, one of them is possibly maybe it's still
Speaker 1: being investigated attributed to the Impressionist painter Eduard Money since
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Apparently someone bought the painting and
Speaker 1: suspected it was her and they're looking into it, which
Speaker 1: is kind of cool. Um. Her life, though, becomes a
Speaker 1: tragic story of mental illness and romantic obsession with a
Speaker 1: British military officer. So the Hugos, though did not raise
Speaker 1: their family in France. Victor Hugo was not only a writer,
Speaker 1: he was also a statesman and a human rights activist,
Speaker 1: and he was a fierce opponent of the Second Empire
Speaker 1: of Napoleon the Third and he wrote outspoken pamphlets opposing,
Speaker 1: among many other things, napoleon the third seizure of power. So,
Speaker 1: in protest to the anti parliamentary and constitution of eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty one, Hugo took his family and left France. Others
Speaker 1: would put this a different way, to say that he
Speaker 1: was actually banished. Most I think that I read in
Speaker 1: my research suggested it was more banishment. It was a
Speaker 1: muchel yes, I'm leaving, well, good, you should go. We
Speaker 1: don't want you anywhere um. So, first, after they were
Speaker 1: not banished, the family lived in Belgium um and then
Speaker 1: they eventually landed on the island of Jersey, which is
Speaker 1: the largest of the Channel Islands. The Channel Islands are
Speaker 1: an archipelago in the English Channel, which is off the
Speaker 1: coast of Normandy, and the family's relocation to the island
Speaker 1: happened at about the time in Adele's life, when she
Speaker 1: was in her early twenties, so she was very likely
Speaker 1: expecting her life to be focused on establishing her position
Speaker 1: in Parisian society. She may have been expecting to marry
Speaker 1: soon um, but none of those things really played out. Instead,
Speaker 1: the family stayed among the Channel Islands until eighteen seventy.
Speaker 1: But it's on those islands where Adele first met a
Speaker 1: man named Albert Pinson, and a lot of what we
Speaker 1: know about Adele can be found in biography is written
Speaker 1: about her father. So in late eighteen fifty five, the
Speaker 1: family arrived at Hauteville House at Guernsey, that's another island
Speaker 1: in the Channel Islands, again seeking refuge. And it's around
Speaker 1: this time when Adele also started writing a diary, a
Speaker 1: coded diary which I love. I do too. I want
Speaker 1: to know exactly I didn't. I haven't seen it, and
Speaker 1: I got to look it up. This diary was titled
Speaker 1: Journald de Lexile or Diary of the Exile, and she
Speaker 1: was twenty two years old when she started keeping it.
Speaker 1: Adele was a prolific writer, and she recorded pretty much
Speaker 1: everything in her life, from her thoughts about horse racing
Speaker 1: to love affairs. I gotta tell you, reading the horse
Speaker 1: racing entries were really funny, actually, like you wouldn't expect it,
Speaker 1: but they were funny. She was a funny lady, I
Speaker 1: believe it. And she kept this diary throughout the time
Speaker 1: that she lived on the islands of Jersey and Guernsey.
Speaker 1: Adele and Albert met on the island of Jersey actually
Speaker 1: in June of eight before and for Adele, who was
Speaker 1: in her early twenties at the time, the affair began
Speaker 1: as a summer romance, and she wrote about their meeting
Speaker 1: in her diary. Of course right, and now we know
Speaker 1: um and we quote her because these diaries are public.
Speaker 1: He saw me for the first time on a bench
Speaker 1: on the terrace in Jersey. She said, I was sitting
Speaker 1: down reading. I was absorbed in my book and I
Speaker 1: didn't see him, but he saw me, and from that
Speaker 1: day he loved me so. Albert, who went by Bertie Pinson,
Speaker 1: was a lieutenant in the British Army. He was an
Speaker 1: aristocratic man and he was considerably older than Adele. He
Speaker 1: and we actually have a quote describing him, was of
Speaker 1: average height, rather handsome, and decidedly stylish in appearance. He
Speaker 1: wore long mustaches and took great pains to appear in
Speaker 1: most an exquisite mode. So he was fancy. He was
Speaker 1: fancy every time I hear the description of him and
Speaker 1: his long mustache desire. That's the part that gets new,
Speaker 1: right uh. Pinson was also, though described as ill tempered
Speaker 1: and ill mannered and untrustworthy. So he might have looked fancy,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't apparently very delightful, and he also had
Speaker 1: a bad reputation of being both a womanizer and a gambler.
Speaker 1: Yet Pinson and Adele became close, and he also became
Speaker 1: close to the Hugo family, reportedly visiting for dinner several
Speaker 1: times a week. Pinson proposed to Adele, which was probably
Speaker 1: the biggest surprise in research that I found. Um he
Speaker 1: did actually propose to her, and she refused him, but
Speaker 1: she would later on regret that refusal. She would sincerely
Speaker 1: believe in months after this that she had taken the
Speaker 1: alternate path and that she was married to the lieutenant.
Speaker 1: By September, Pinson left Jersey for England, and upon leaving Adele,
Speaker 1: Pinson promised her, we quote, with every token of sincerity
Speaker 1: and honor, that she should join him in England, and
Speaker 1: in fact she did at least a few times, and
Speaker 1: he also continued to visit with the Hugo family and
Speaker 1: this cordial, seemingly mutual adoration or affection went on from
Speaker 1: about eighteen fifty four to eighteen sixty one. So that's
Speaker 1: a significant relationship, exactly. Those are that many years. So
Speaker 1: because her father was in political exile slash banished, slash
Speaker 1: moved away. The family did move again in eighteen fifty five,
Speaker 1: and this time they went from one island to another.
Speaker 1: They went from Jersey to Guernsey and they stayed there
Speaker 1: until eighteen seventy. So at this point Adele's feelings for
Speaker 1: prison were, as we said, reciprocated, but circumstances would change.
Speaker 1: And we're going to take a quick break here, but
Speaker 1: when we returned, we will start talking about how Adele
Speaker 1: was likely beginning to succumb to mental illness. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Criminalia. Let's now talk about what happened when Adele
Speaker 1: followed Lieutenant Pinson to Nova Scotia. So by eighteen fifty six,
Speaker 1: Adele was falling into a depression that continued to deepen,
Speaker 1: and by this time in her life, it is believed
Speaker 1: she was very likely showing signs of a mental illness.
Speaker 1: She seemed to be beginning to lose contact with reality,
Speaker 1: and she was exhibiting symptoms such as delusions and hallucinations,
Speaker 1: but her symptoms were mostly overlooked, or at least nothing
Speaker 1: was done about them. In a letter to Victor written
Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty six, Adele's mother expressed her increasing concern
Speaker 1: over her daughter's mental state, and we can quote her
Speaker 1: because this letter is also public. She is forced in
Speaker 1: upon herself. She thinks a great deal and her ideas
Speaker 1: often erroneous since nothing flows in from the outside to
Speaker 1: modify them, become like burning lava, which is sort of
Speaker 1: a poetic way to describe a depression. I have to say,
Speaker 1: like you are trapped in your own mind. And her
Speaker 1: mother saw that much of it, but couldn't really address it.
Speaker 1: So in eighteen sixty one, several years later, Pinson's regiment,
Speaker 1: which was the sixteenth, move from where it had been
Speaker 1: stationed in Ireland to alder Shop, which is a town
Speaker 1: in southeast England famous for being the home of the
Speaker 1: British Army. So this meant that geographically he was actually
Speaker 1: quite near the Hugo family, and with Pinson so close,
Speaker 1: Adele told a lie about going to see her mother,
Speaker 1: who had gone to Paris for temporary stay, and instead
Speaker 1: Adele went to see Pinson on the Isle of Right,
Speaker 1: and she brought her maid Rosalie with her for this,
Speaker 1: which Holly and I have talked about. There was really
Speaker 1: no particular reason for Rosalie to go with her, except
Speaker 1: perhaps they were her friends. Adele had traveled solo prior
Speaker 1: to this, right, I mean, who among us hasn't been like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go on a road trip and had
Speaker 1: a friend go, can I go? Exactly right. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like protection or I don't know how to do this
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I think they were just friendly.
Speaker 1: In December of that year, Pinson spent Christmas with the
Speaker 1: Hugo family at Guernsey, and Adele urged her father to
Speaker 1: let her marry the Lieutenant and victor. Though he was
Speaker 1: agreeable to a marriage between the two, he didn't really
Speaker 1: think that Pinson had made a commitment to his daughter,
Speaker 1: and frankly he was right after her initial rejection of
Speaker 1: the marriage proposal. Pinson never formally courted Adele, and he
Speaker 1: never asked her parents for permission to marry her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they had actually kind of been just friends for
Speaker 1: a bit at this point for like a decade now,
Speaker 1: but by the year's end, Pinson's regiment was ordered to
Speaker 1: Nova Scotia. Adele's obsession, though, did not dim with his absence,
Speaker 1: and though she had previously turned down his proposal, she
Speaker 1: began insisting that they were going to get married, and
Speaker 1: she even ran away from home to join him in Halifax,
Speaker 1: referring to herself as Mrs Pinson. Adele's family, believing that
Speaker 1: there was an arrangement between her and Pinson, actually shipped
Speaker 1: her her clothing in care of a Mr. And Mrs Saunders. Right,
Speaker 1: I mean, why why I think that she's lying? They've
Speaker 1: known each other for such a long time. I can
Speaker 1: see why they would. Adele continued to write daily letters
Speaker 1: to Pinson when she wasn't around him. She tried to
Speaker 1: meet with him, but Pinson had lost interest in her
Speaker 1: and he soon started to ignore her and her romantic advances.
Speaker 1: But Adele was undaunted. She began disguising herself as a
Speaker 1: man while pursuing him, which she would do both day
Speaker 1: and night, and though Pinson insisted he did not want
Speaker 1: to be with her, Adele continued to follow him around.
Speaker 1: She would peer through his windows and rent rooms in
Speaker 1: his vicinity, and she journaled all of her activities and
Speaker 1: her feelings in her diary. In eighteen sixty two, when
Speaker 1: all of this was happening, Adele actually refused a different
Speaker 1: marriage proposal from another man who was an Italian poet.
Speaker 1: And we should mention that Pinson was not Adele's first love.
Speaker 1: Remember we talked about how she was considered quite beautiful.
Speaker 1: She had this long, dark hair. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of people interested in her, and when she was sixteen,
Speaker 1: she fell madly in love with a man named August Vacquerie,
Speaker 1: who was ten years her senior, and that was also
Speaker 1: her brother in law through her sister Leopoldine's marriage, and
Speaker 1: the two actually planned to marry, although the family agreed
Speaker 1: to the marriage, but they felt that Adele was too
Speaker 1: young at that time, so while they were waiting for
Speaker 1: her to age up, over the next four years, she
Speaker 1: kind of fell out of love with a goost and
Speaker 1: they did not marry. She also had many many crushes,
Speaker 1: most of whom were men that her parents did not
Speaker 1: care for, such as French sculptor and painter Jean Baptiste Pleasangie.
Speaker 1: He has his own story, which is that her parents
Speaker 1: were right about him. By the way, he ended up
Speaker 1: married to George Song's daughter and eventually caused a huge
Speaker 1: rupture between her and her mother. Uh. Just he's a
Speaker 1: problematic figure. There we go, that's how to describe him.
Speaker 1: So the Hugoes were correct in thinking this was not
Speaker 1: a good person for their daughter to fixate on. Yes,
Speaker 1: and and you know what I mean. Victor was pretty
Speaker 1: right on with Pinson too, where he's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure that you're committed. So the Hugo seemed to
Speaker 1: be aware, at least when their daughter is interested in
Speaker 1: and and likes so Adele she received many marriage proposals,
Speaker 1: but here's what's interesting about her is that she refused
Speaker 1: them all. It was Pinson or nothing. While in Halifax, Pinson,
Speaker 1: unknown to Adele, became engaged to a woman named Agnes Johnson,
Speaker 1: and that engagement was called off because Ms. Johnson's parents
Speaker 1: decided that Pinson was not what they wanted in the family.
Speaker 1: I hear he's no manner, right. He looks fancy, but
Speaker 1: he's crabby and unpleasant. Yeah, personality goes a long way.
Speaker 1: So a few years later, which puts us in eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty six, now, Pinson moved with his unit from Nova
Speaker 1: Scotia to Barbados. Uh, there's a big weather change. Adele,
Speaker 1: still obsessed by him, also traveled to Barbados, and once
Speaker 1: she arrived, she moved into a room at a Mrs
Speaker 1: Chatterton's residence and she spent her days exploring the streets
Speaker 1: in search of Pinson. So throughout all of this she
Speaker 1: continued to call herself Mrs Pinson, and that includes when
Speaker 1: she went to Barbados. She also started to refuse to eat.
Speaker 1: She was taking very poor care of herself, and her
Speaker 1: overall physical and mental health continued to decline. There was
Speaker 1: actually a study by the American Journal of Psychiatry that
Speaker 1: found that over a ten year period, people living with
Speaker 1: schizophrenia had measurable cognitive declines in memory, verbal learning, and vocabulary.
Speaker 1: And Adele, of course, during this time, was still not diagnosed.
Speaker 1: And what started to happen was she was spending her
Speaker 1: nights pacing in her room, just talking to herself. By
Speaker 1: the time she had followed Pinsent to Barbados, Adele had
Speaker 1: spent almost all of her money and regardless, she was
Speaker 1: still following him, and she was still hoping and maybe
Speaker 1: we should say, expecting that the two would marry, and
Speaker 1: perhaps in some moments, believing they already had. Here is
Speaker 1: the deep tragedy Here. What she did not know was
Speaker 1: that shortly after arriving in Barbados, Pinson actually left Barbados.
Speaker 1: He soon traveled to England and out married to a
Speaker 1: woman named Katherine Edith Roxburgh. Yes, this is all while
Speaker 1: Adele was still in Barbados roaming the streets looking for
Speaker 1: him or sad girl. So we're gonna take a quick
Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and when we're back,
Speaker 1: let's talk about what obsessive love is. Welcome back to Criminalia.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about how undiagnosed mental illness was likely fueling
Speaker 1: Adele's stalker behavior. Right, so, but first let's be very clear.
Speaker 1: We're not saying that having a crush on someone means
Speaker 1: that you have a mental illness. But when there's an
Speaker 1: obsessive part to it, when it's obsessive love, there are
Speaker 1: some problematic behaviors that mental health professionals um will tell
Speaker 1: you go along with it, and those include making repeated
Speaker 1: calls or texts or letters, giving unwanted and intense attention
Speaker 1: towards the object. Of your affection and even making unexpected,
Speaker 1: unannounced visits at their work or home. Um, and that's
Speaker 1: those are the examples of when we moved into what's
Speaker 1: considered stalk or behavior. And there's no list of criteria
Speaker 1: that can solidly distinguish what's real love from what's become
Speaker 1: obsessive love. Right if my husband turned around and said
Speaker 1: I'm not into you, I would look super stalkery, wouldn't
Speaker 1: we all, I'm very attached to that gent. But we
Speaker 1: do know that obsessive love is considered delusional jealousy, and
Speaker 1: both real love and obsessive love have some addictive qualities
Speaker 1: to them, and there can be a few things going
Speaker 1: on in what differentiates this being something abnormal and not
Speaker 1: healthy versus something that you know is part of just
Speaker 1: an intense and deeply held relationship. Yes, I'm defending myself.
Speaker 1: I know I'm obsessed with my husband. You just have
Speaker 1: a lot of dopamine when you're around him. It's fine,
Speaker 1: just hitting it off like a rato maze. So much
Speaker 1: so I don't mean to laugh about this is his
Speaker 1: mental health issues. So I'm going to talk now about
Speaker 1: a condition called eroto mania, And we have talked about
Speaker 1: this before on this show, but we'll we'll do a
Speaker 1: quick overview because we've talked a lot of things before,
Speaker 1: so let's just refresh um. This is a condition when
Speaker 1: a person believes that another person loves them, whether or
Speaker 1: not that person does or not. They're convinced. The individual
Speaker 1: often believes that they're being sent messages from their admirer,
Speaker 1: and that could be anything from like license plate numbers
Speaker 1: to wearing a certain color sweater. It's it's very odd
Speaker 1: and very specific. Arotomania has been considered different things depending
Speaker 1: on which decade you're in. So in Adele's time in
Speaker 1: the early nineteenth century to about the beginning of the
Speaker 1: twentieth century, the mental health condition was believed to be
Speaker 1: caused by unrequited love. It wasn't until the early twentieth century, though,
Speaker 1: when it began to be considered a subtype of a
Speaker 1: delusional disorder. Yeah, it's an interesting thing that the cause
Speaker 1: and effect there was believed to be someone else not
Speaker 1: loving you back, rather than there being something going on
Speaker 1: with your brain chemistry that was making you perceive the
Speaker 1: situation in quickly. So Arotomania has two forms, primary and secondary,
Speaker 1: and the primary form is a condition that exists alone.
Speaker 1: The onset is sudden and there's no identifiable cause. The
Speaker 1: second form is diagnosed along with other mental illnesses, including schizophrenia,
Speaker 1: which Adele likely lived with. And the secondary form often
Speaker 1: includes symptoms like persecutory delusions, hallucinations, and grandiose ideas, and
Speaker 1: it has a more gradual onset than the primary form,
Speaker 1: though this can turn into Stoker behavior, and we have
Speaker 1: told many of those stories. Now, this description of erotomania,
Speaker 1: at least to us non medical professionals, it doesn't really
Speaker 1: feel quite like the right fit for Adell. Right. There
Speaker 1: is also a condition that is known as obsessive love disorder,
Speaker 1: and that's when you become obsessed with one person that
Speaker 1: you think you may be in love with. The distinction
Speaker 1: here is that with erotomania, you think they love you. This, however,
Speaker 1: obsessive love disorder was first called fittingly Adele syndrome, and
Speaker 1: it's still not widely recognized as its own mental health condition.
Speaker 1: It's usually tied to other things. And this is an expression, right, um,
Speaker 1: But there's another thing. There's Adele's undiagnosed mental illness and
Speaker 1: her symptoms of mental illness. They were likely the fuel
Speaker 1: for her fire of irrational and obsessive behavior. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna focus on because aprenia, because that's kind of what
Speaker 1: everyone is assuming was happening with the doll's five. So,
Speaker 1: schizophrenia is a mental illness that can be disabling. It's
Speaker 1: generally characterized by a variety of things like thought related
Speaker 1: and behavior related symptoms. Um, it could come in the
Speaker 1: form of delusions, hallucinations, or just a general unusual way
Speaker 1: of thinking. So by the time she was in Barbados,
Speaker 1: it had become really quite obvious to those around Adele
Speaker 1: that she was exhibiting some delusional, if not other odd behaviors,
Speaker 1: and though not diagnosed, people who knew her recognized that
Speaker 1: she was clearly unwell. So as we talk about all
Speaker 1: of this, you know, we have to acknowledge it is always, really,
Speaker 1: really a tricky proposition to diagnose someone post mortem when
Speaker 1: they are not around to be assessed by a mental
Speaker 1: health professional. But this, this association with schizophrenia on the
Speaker 1: part of Adele, is something that modern biographers and historians
Speaker 1: have pieced together multiple times. Like all of the evidence
Speaker 1: indicates something along these lines. Um, there is also a
Speaker 1: very good likelihood that she inherited it because it is
Speaker 1: known to run in families, and her father's brother Eugene,
Speaker 1: is also said to have lived with it. So those
Speaker 1: living with this particular mental illness often experience psychosis, which
Speaker 1: happens when you lose your connection with reality. You might
Speaker 1: not know it, but people around you will notice this.
Speaker 1: And delusions are are false beliefs that aren't based in reality,
Speaker 1: and most people with schizophrenia will experience these as well.
Speaker 1: And delusions could manifest in a few ways. Um you
Speaker 1: might think you have special abilities, or you might believe
Speaker 1: that you're being harassed by anyone from your neighbor to
Speaker 1: the cia Um. Delusions could also leads you to believe
Speaker 1: you have that another person is in love with you,
Speaker 1: and those false beliefs often lead to paranoia. So there
Speaker 1: are a few different stories of exactly how Adele was
Speaker 1: extracted from Barbados and brought home to her family, but
Speaker 1: most historians believe that she was actually accompanied back to
Speaker 1: Paris by a woman named missus Celine Alvarez Ba in
Speaker 1: February of eighty two. Ultimately, in the tragic story of Adele,
Speaker 1: her father committed her to a mental institution when she
Speaker 1: was home from Barbados, and she lived there from when
Speaker 1: she was about forty or forty two years old until
Speaker 1: her death at eighty five years old. Um and we
Speaker 1: have an excerpt in a letter from one of his visits.
Speaker 1: It's not too long, I'm gonna quote it. I saw
Speaker 1: her again in the mental institution. She recognized me, I
Speaker 1: embraced her. I spoke words of tenderness and hope to her.
Speaker 1: She was calm and seemed sometimes to be asleep. It
Speaker 1: was just one year ago today that I left for
Speaker 1: Bordeaux with Charles, who would not return alive. Today I
Speaker 1: see Adele again, what sorrow. And Victor Hugo bequeathed his manuscripts,
Speaker 1: which include a significant part of Adele's exile diary as
Speaker 1: well as her signed scores, to the National Library of France.
Speaker 1: It's really easy to forget that she was a prolific
Speaker 1: writer and musician, because her symptoms and her travels around
Speaker 1: the world really seemed to cloud that. And I like
Speaker 1: that we have various points that we can look at.
Speaker 1: We can look at her father's manuscripts, which we can
Speaker 1: look at her I suppose it took a little while,
Speaker 1: but we could look in her code to diary there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a few places to get things from her. And
Speaker 1: so interestingly, in looking at Victor Hugo's manuscripts, we know
Speaker 1: that this episode was it was a downer. It was
Speaker 1: downer for everyone. So to end a bit less somber,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna share a little anecote about Victor Hugo that
Speaker 1: that turned up during our research. And so Victor knew everyone,
Speaker 1: and he was known for having large dinner parties, which
Speaker 1: he would have almost every night of the week. There
Speaker 1: were at least twenty or thirty people present, and he
Speaker 1: had really one heck of a party trick that he
Speaker 1: would pull out and just buris yourselves for a moment.
Speaker 1: He would shove an entire orange in his mouth, and
Speaker 1: then he would fill his cheeks with as many lumps
Speaker 1: of sugar as would fit, and he would kind of
Speaker 1: then like churn it all up in there. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine he could have shut very well because of that
Speaker 1: whole orange um and then he would he would swallow
Speaker 1: it down with two glasses of gearch. So let's hope
Speaker 1: that Holly is not making us all swallow a whole
Speaker 1: orange in this episodes Chasers, But maybe she is. No,
Speaker 1: doesn't not sound miserable and orange? You know, I keep
Speaker 1: thinking him like, you know, a little like cute E's
Speaker 1: or mandarins. This whole well, and I always think of
Speaker 1: you know, when you take too big of a mouthful
Speaker 1: of some very sugary and the sugar goes down the
Speaker 1: wrong way, like that is one of the worst relatively
Speaker 1: harmless pains. I can. No, there's no whole orange, but
Speaker 1: I thought it would be fun to do something orange flavored.
Speaker 1: And so I am calling this cocktail Victor's party trick,
Speaker 1: because you're also creating something that tastes like something else delicious, Yes,
Speaker 1: and not everyone could fit the whole orange in their
Speaker 1: mactic And why would you want to, Victor, you fool.
Speaker 1: He was loaded with vitamin C, so that's great. But
Speaker 1: so for the party trick, into a shaker, you will
Speaker 1: pour two ounces of triple sec two ounces of whipped
Speaker 1: to vodka. You'll also see it like as whipped cream vodka.
Speaker 1: There are a few different brands. One ounce of simple
Speaker 1: syrup or vanilla syrup if you have it, and then
Speaker 1: you're gonna shake that with ice, give it a good
Speaker 1: heart shake, and then pour it into a martini glass
Speaker 1: and then top it with three ounces of a hard seltzer.
Speaker 1: If you want a hard seltzer that has a flavor
Speaker 1: to it, that's fine. Like a citrus or even something
Speaker 1: like a pineapple works here because when you take a sip,
Speaker 1: it tastes like a creamsicles. That's the party trick. It
Speaker 1: turns into a yummy dessert. The first version of the
Speaker 1: party trick, I doubt tasted like a creamsicle. I don't
Speaker 1: think it did, know, but I like things a little
Speaker 1: more delicious than that. Yes, the point of yours is
Speaker 1: to be a drink. The point of his was look
Speaker 1: what I can fit in my mouth? Like I'm right.
Speaker 1: No one else wanted to do that, but everyone will
Speaker 1: want to drink if they are in fact a drinker.
Speaker 1: This is also one if you wanted to do a
Speaker 1: uh like a variation on it. If you're not a drinker,
Speaker 1: I bet you could do, like, you know, a few
Speaker 1: ounces of an orange soda and yeah, it is some
Speaker 1: vanilla syrup with that and then like a a not
Speaker 1: hard seltzer, and you would get something closesh. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: quite be right. It's one of those things. Orange juice
Speaker 1: is the natural tendency to want to go for when
Speaker 1: you're recreating it. But usually in my experiments it's very yummy.
Speaker 1: I love an orange juice with a vanilla vodka, but
Speaker 1: it's a little too acidic, whereas like the orange soda
Speaker 1: or an orange liquor is not as acidic. Usually you
Speaker 1: don't have that bite of citrus. So I love that
Speaker 1: she did a citrus drink this week, because I know
Speaker 1: how you feel about citrus. It's not my favorite, it's mine,
Speaker 1: but then it grows on me because I'll turn up
Speaker 1: something like this. And even the sixteen sixties French lemonade
Speaker 1: that we did give a season one was really quite yummy,
Speaker 1: but also had a half pound that may have been
Speaker 1: yunny because of the half a bag of sugarage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean, at that point, what are you actually
Speaker 1: tasting sugar? Just put some water on some sugar, just
Speaker 1: drink it. So Victor's party trick, triple sack whipped vodka,
Speaker 1: vanilla stare up in a little hard seltzer and you're
Speaker 1: off to the races. Uh. It was so delicious. So
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