WEBVTT - Big Tech Is The Enemy of Innovation

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<v Speaker 1>All Zone Media. Hello, Hi, welcome to Better Offline. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host ed ze Trunk. For weeks now, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>writing and speaking about what I believe to be an

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<v Speaker 1>inevitable and possibly imminent collapse in generative AI. In the

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<v Speaker 1>last episode, I talked about the early signs of disquire,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly among investors, were growing increasingly uncomfortable about the many

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<v Speaker 1>billions being spent by Microsoft, Google and others to support

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<v Speaker 1>an industry that does not appear to make anyone much

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<v Speaker 1>money and costs so much more than it makes. And

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that this is a moment for the tech

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<v Speaker 1>industry to atone and to learn and to change in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of what I think is an a one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred billion dollar group psychosis, a big, nasty waste that

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<v Speaker 1>I will now get to in agonizing detail. Generative AI

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<v Speaker 1>was always unsustainable, and it was always dependent on reams

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<v Speaker 1>of training data that necessitated stealing from millions of people.

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<v Speaker 1>With its utility vague and its ubiquity overstated, the media

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<v Speaker 1>and the markets have tolerated the technology that, while not

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<v Speaker 1>inherently bad, was implemented in a way so nefariously and

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<v Speaker 1>wastefully that it necessitated theft billions of dollars in cash

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<v Speaker 1>and the double digit percent increase in Hyperscaler's emissions. The

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<v Speaker 1>desperation for the tech industry to have something new has

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<v Speaker 1>led to such ruinous success, and if this bubble collapses,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be a result of a shared myopia in both

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<v Speaker 1>big tech dimwitz like satch in Adela and sundarp Isshai

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<v Speaker 1>and Silicon Valley power players like Reid Hoffman, Sam Altman,

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<v Speaker 1>Bryan Chesky and of course Mark Hantreeson. The people propping

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<v Speaker 1>up this bubble no longer experience human problems, and thus

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they can be trusted anymore to solve them. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a story of waste, ignorance and greed, of

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<v Speaker 1>wasted money and have wasted opportunity, because let's face it,

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<v Speaker 1>a fraction of the money spent by Microsoft alone chasing

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<v Speaker 1>the generative AI bullshit machine could have been spent in

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<v Speaker 1>many other profitable and societally useful ways. And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>story of tech executives that are so desperate to own

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<v Speaker 1>the future, but are so disconnected from actually building it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this arms race is a monument to the lack

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<v Speaker 1>of curiosity rife in the highest ranks of the tech industry.

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<v Speaker 1>They refuse to do the hard work to create, to

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<v Speaker 1>be curious, to be excited about the things they're building

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<v Speaker 1>and the people they're serving, And so they spent billions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars to eliminate the risk they even might have

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<v Speaker 1>to do any of those things. Ever, again, they just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted the machine to do it for them. Had Sandhar

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<v Speaker 1>Pishai looked at Microsoft's investment in open Ai in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and said, nah, no, thanks, which you did with

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<v Speaker 1>the metavers. By the way, it's likely that none of

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<v Speaker 1>this would have happened. But a combined hunger for growth

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<v Speaker 1>and a lack of any natural predators means that big

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<v Speaker 1>tech no longer knows how to make a competitive or

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<v Speaker 1>useful product, and thus they can only see what their

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<v Speaker 1>competitors are doing and say, ah, yeah, yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. That's what we're all doing now. Before the

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<v Speaker 1>AI hype boom, Mark Zuckerberg was once so disconnected from

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<v Speaker 1>Meta's work on AI that he literally had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what breakthrough Sandar Peshai had complimented him on in a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting they had together mere months before. Meta's own obsession

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<v Speaker 1>with AI truly began, and none of these guys seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have any idea what's going on and why are

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<v Speaker 1>they having these chummy little meetings. These aren't competitors, they're

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<v Speaker 1>co conspirators. They're just people meeting to say, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>latest con we're all jumping on. What's the latest market

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<v Speaker 1>that we're all going to monopolize. I can't wait for

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<v Speaker 1>the monopoly episode. And these companies, they're too large, they

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<v Speaker 1>are too unwieldy, they're too disconnected, and they do too much.

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<v Speaker 1>They lack the focus that makes a truly competitive business,

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<v Speaker 1>and they lack any kind of cohesive culture, the kinds

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<v Speaker 1>that are built on solving real human problems or real

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<v Speaker 1>business problems that humans have. These are not companies built

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<v Speaker 1>for anything other than growth. And none of them, not

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<v Speaker 1>even Apple, have built something truly innovative and life changing

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<v Speaker 1>in the best part of a decade, with the exception

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps of maybe contactless mobile payments, which are actually really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>These companies are run by rot economists, and they have

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<v Speaker 1>these disconnected, chaotic cultures full of these little fiefdoms. We're

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<v Speaker 1>established technologists are rap fuck by management goons when they

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<v Speaker 1>try to make their products better instead of making them

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<v Speaker 1>more money, and the depressing thing is that they really

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to be that way. Seriously, there's a world

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<v Speaker 1>where these companies just make a billion dollars a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't even have to fire people every time

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<v Speaker 1>they do so. And there's one where these companies actually

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<v Speaker 1>solve real problems too, and then they still make incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>large amounts of money for doing so. The problem is

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<v Speaker 1>they're greedy. They run by greedy idiots, and they're addicted

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<v Speaker 1>to growth and are incapable of doing anything other than

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<v Speaker 1>following what the last guy did. And what's funny is

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<v Speaker 1>this is very Jack Welch from the Shareholder Supremacy. They

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<v Speaker 1>just see a market and like, what if we put

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<v Speaker 1>money in that? Can we take the money from the market.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all they can do. Now. Sundarpishi is a terrible executive,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's a really good Jack Welch clone. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, if you don't know who Jack Welch is,

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<v Speaker 1>please go back to the Shareholder Supremacy episode. It's important

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<v Speaker 1>because you really need to see who fucked all this up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so where were we what happens next? Well, there's enough

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<v Speaker 1>money sloshing around right now that open ai probably can

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<v Speaker 1>be bankrolled a little further, and like I've mentioned in

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<v Speaker 1>the previous episode, it'll need to be is it needs

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<v Speaker 1>another five billion dollars, if not ten billion dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>make it to the end of twenty twenty five, That

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<v Speaker 1>very large amount of money's going to have to come

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<v Speaker 1>from somewhere, and I think that they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>reduced to go into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or

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<v Speaker 1>soft bank, or probably taking on private debt, and that

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<v Speaker 1>last one, I'm just really not sure is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And those suitors they're not going to be quite as

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<v Speaker 1>generous with their terms and they won't give them a

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<v Speaker 1>devil's deal like Microsoft did, which, as I previously argued

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<v Speaker 1>across multiple newsletters and podcasts, effectively owns all of open

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<v Speaker 1>AI's research and intellectual property. Someonlman is a terrible deal maker.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, while the venture capital system theoretically could

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<v Speaker 1>afford to prop up open ai for another year or so,

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<v Speaker 1>they're limited partners. Who are the people funding the vcs.

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<v Speaker 1>They're probably still a little sore from twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty twenty two, when massive amounts of money went

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<v Speaker 1>into nothing, not to mention the sudden and rapid rise

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<v Speaker 1>and interest rates, and they'll probably bulk at the amounts

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<v Speaker 1>they can need. We're talking multiple, probably ten one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar checks or two hundred million dollar checks. Open

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<v Speaker 1>ai needs so much more money than the VC system

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<v Speaker 1>is ready to give to one company, and it really

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<v Speaker 1>will only take one person blinking to create a panic

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<v Speaker 1>in both the public and the private markets. Open Ai

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<v Speaker 1>may still be able to raise money, but investors have

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<v Speaker 1>no real path to liquidity as open ai most assuredly

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<v Speaker 1>will not be able to go public, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>process of investing these vcs will likely find out exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how bad things are there. While there is a chance

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<v Speaker 1>we get one more round, kind of a dead cat

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<v Speaker 1>bounce situation, it's honestly a little tough to imagine how

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<v Speaker 1>it keeps going even if open ai raises another ten

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. But how does the collapse happen? Well, as

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<v Speaker 1>I said last time, there's the obvious one open ai

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<v Speaker 1>or Anthropic shuts down, but I think that them shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down is very unlikely based on the corporate structure open

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<v Speaker 1>AI or Anthropic collapsing will be more like the character

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<v Speaker 1>dot Ai deal an attempt to hide the ugly mess,

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<v Speaker 1>where a big tech firm absorbs them in and just

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<v Speaker 1>goes there. Now the AI division. You saw a version

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<v Speaker 1>of this, by the way, when Sam got fired from

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<v Speaker 1>open Ai and he was like the head of AI

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<v Speaker 1>at Microsoft for two minutes. But if I had to guess,

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<v Speaker 1>Anthropics most likely home would be with Amazon, which completed

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<v Speaker 1>its four billion dollar investment into the company earlier this

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<v Speaker 1>year and also has a profit share with them. In

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<v Speaker 1>any case where this happens, even if the entity Anthropical

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<v Speaker 1>or open Ai keeps going without the key people in

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<v Speaker 1>power such as Anthropic CEO Dario Omdey going in house

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon or Google again, it doesn't really matter. They will

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<v Speaker 1>eventually die and raising around for a generative AI company

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<v Speaker 1>in this market, it's likely going to be quite difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>if not impossible. The narrative shifted, and the people with

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<v Speaker 1>the money to invest don't really know what they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about technologically speaking, so they're investing based on how everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else is feeling, what the vibes are in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>what they sniff each other's asses, and they say, oh, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>is AI good or bad? Now? I don't really know,

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<v Speaker 1>And when we really strip away everything. We strip away

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<v Speaker 1>all of the lies and the marketing, and you just

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<v Speaker 1>get down to incentives and you think, well, they just

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<v Speaker 1>want money, right, If that's all they want, that really

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<v Speaker 1>is just the problem, because fundamentally this tech really isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that exciting. I'm sorry it isn't. Generative AI is not

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<v Speaker 1>the AI from Iron Man. It is not the magical

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<v Speaker 1>future computer. It's a generative AI. That picture of Garfield

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<v Speaker 1>with a gun or Scooby Doo sitting on top of

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<v Speaker 1>a rocket, those are aren't useful. That's not the future.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just image creation. I'm sure some very insufferable freak

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<v Speaker 1>is going to email me after this and be like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm set up generative AI in all of these ways. Mate.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your time, Thank you for emailing me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you don't even sound like that. The point I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not making is that this is useless. The point I'm

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<v Speaker 1>making is it is not even in the same galaxy

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<v Speaker 1>of usefulness that it requires to go forward to be

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<v Speaker 1>worth all of this money. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's boring. It's so goddamn boring. It's so I am

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<v Speaker 1>so bored. It doesn't even do my boring business stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a pr business in my day job, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would love a dn ky AI to move my

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<v Speaker 1>shit around. It can't even do that. I want it

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<v Speaker 1>to help me, and it won't do it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you say ed, you're a stupid idiot, You're a moron.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the brain of a bird or a dog

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<v Speaker 1>or a dog bird hybrid. You drool all the time

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<v Speaker 1>because your brain cannot keep your mouth closed. All of

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<v Speaker 1>these things are true, but it's not my job to

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<v Speaker 1>sell Generative AI to myself. It's the companies. And the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a super smart friend that knows everything about

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<v Speaker 1>me is exciting, don't get me wrong. As is the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of making away drudgery all of my spreadsheets and documents,

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<v Speaker 1>for example. But Generative AI does not do these things,

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<v Speaker 1>putting aside any personal feelings I may have. It has

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<v Speaker 1>not changed my life or even like slightly improved it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm a guy who loves using tech, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is willing to put hours hours into finding solutions to

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<v Speaker 1>automate or mitigate very small problems that I only really

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<v Speaker 1>deal with occasionally. I'm not lazy, I'm efficient, at least

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I tell my doctor, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>a single person that has meaningfully changed their workflow or

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<v Speaker 1>life as a result of generative AI, outside of being

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<v Speaker 1>able to integrate it to speed up some part of

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<v Speaker 1>their already existing system. I've literally never met or spoken

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<v Speaker 1>to someone other than one guy on Twitter who has

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<v Speaker 1>talked about using this every day in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>truly changes things, and I should. As an aside, I

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<v Speaker 1>do occasionally get someone on Twitter and it's always a

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<v Speaker 1>blue check and they always say, oh, yeah, well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>changed the way our code changy allows me to code

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<v Speaker 1>so much faster. They then get eighteen responses of someone saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an engineer and this is very unstable, and it

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<v Speaker 1>really feels like generative AI is just catnip for the

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<v Speaker 1>truly incurious. I don't want to say lazy, because I

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone is kind of lazy on some level. We

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<v Speaker 1>all want things to be easier, we really do. And

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<v Speaker 1>there is, when it comes to creativity, a degree where

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<v Speaker 1>the problems you face making something are what makes it

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. The struggles I've had writing and reading

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<v Speaker 1>this script are what make me a better orator or

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<v Speaker 1>a better writer. That process is important, but it's hard,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's annoying, and you have to suck a few times,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to write crap, You have to retake things

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<v Speaker 1>three or four times, and your poor editor, Mattasowski sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there going, mate, you've reread that paragraph three times, you

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<v Speaker 1>messed the same word up. But it's fun. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what curiosity is. And I don't think these people have it.

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<v Speaker 1>These people don't want to solve software problems. They want

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<v Speaker 1>to type a thing into a computer, hit enter and

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<v Speaker 1>then the problem is solved, never understanding why they did it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this isn't the same thing as calculators, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd argue software development as are, but that's a separate thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And ultimately, this whole movement just doesn't even feel real.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing about it really felt real. It's just a farce.

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<v Speaker 1>It costs so much money, and it's still costing so

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<v Speaker 1>much money today, and the promises of artificial intelligence will

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<v Speaker 1>not be kept through the pursuit of generative AI. As

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<v Speaker 1>generative AI is a dead end technology that has peaked,

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<v Speaker 1>and it costs too much both financially and socially to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it going or to justify its continued existence. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no heroic story here. There are a few people who

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<v Speaker 1>are sincerely cheering for these companies to win, those who,

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<v Speaker 1>of course don't have a tangible financial term banking on

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<v Speaker 1>the value of open AI or they have so one

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<v Speaker 1>of the one hundred different guys claiming the Heaven AI newsletter,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's be honest, nobody really loves this, do they.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody really uses CHATGBT and has that oh shit moment

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<v Speaker 1>you got when you first use an iPhone, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>first sent a file with Dropbox, that those little times

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<v Speaker 1>when you really fell in love with technology again and again.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no magic in it. There's no whimsy, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no joy in any of these larger language models, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not really helping enough people to make it worthwhile.

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<v Speaker 1>I nearly said they're not helping anybody. But there are users,

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<v Speaker 1>there are people who actually care about this. How much

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<v Speaker 1>do they really care? And does any of that outweigh

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<v Speaker 1>the costs and the environmental damage. The answer is no,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, and their peddlers always demand that we

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<v Speaker 1>just give them another minute as they burn billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to get nowhere. And the general public has known

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<v Speaker 1>the problems and limitations of generative AI for months. I

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<v Speaker 1>constantly get emails from better offline listeners, artists, engineers, teachers, massionists,

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<v Speaker 1>poison makers, journalists, consultants, cleaners, and copy editors, all saying

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. This all seems like a croc of shit,

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<v Speaker 1>and the outputs are terrible because people who actually make

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<v Speaker 1>things respect the output and the production itself, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can see how bad this stuff is. Generative AI was

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<v Speaker 1>also not peddled as a solution to any problem other

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<v Speaker 1>than tech's lack of a hypergrowth market, and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bet that only a tech industry devoid of

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<v Speaker 1>natural selection truly builds. None of these big tech firms,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd argue venture capitalists really take risks anymore because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want to end up looking stupid, and they

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<v Speaker 1>want to follow each other. And regular people know. They

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<v Speaker 1>know Google is worse, they know Facebook is bordering unusable,

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<v Speaker 1>They know that generative AI does not do anything obviously

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<v Speaker 1>useful at scale, and that these companies have never made

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<v Speaker 1>more money than they're making today as they fuck the

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<v Speaker 1>customer again and again. And I believe we're in the

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<v Speaker 1>beginnings of a true revolt against big tech and their

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<v Speaker 1>rotten little promises, their lucks run out, and these formless

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<v Speaker 1>private equity vehicles dressed up as software companies are no

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<v Speaker 1>longer bred to create new things. We're all sitting and

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<v Speaker 1>staring at innovation's corps, stabbed full of holes by McKinsey

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<v Speaker 1>veterans and slimy con artists, and it's time for men

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<v Speaker 1>like Sandar Pashai and Sachin Adela to atone because their

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<v Speaker 1>big bet looks like a gigantic waste, one so obviously

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<v Speaker 1>rotten from the beginning that they've never been able to

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<v Speaker 1>tell anyone that they never had a plan beyond throw

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<v Speaker 1>money at it and eventually it will do something, or

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<v Speaker 1>we will do this as long as the other guy

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<v Speaker 1>does it too. This is a big, ugly mess, a

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<v Speaker 1>monument to the excess that burned more than two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars and allowed equally lazy and uncreative people to

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<v Speaker 1>replace real people with shitty facsimiles that are just good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you want to be more than good enough?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to excel in all things as I

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<v Speaker 1>demand of all my listeners, then buy one of the

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<v Speaker 1>following products, which, as usual, will reflect my exact beliefs,

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<v Speaker 1>wants and needs and we're back, and now that I'm back,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say something to my peers in the media.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for a fundamental re evaluation of how we

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<v Speaker 1>treat big tech, and it's time to question the promises

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<v Speaker 1>of those who sought to peddle this generative nonsense. It's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer time to ask Mark Zuckerberg about his chain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to ask him how long he intends to

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<v Speaker 1>burn tens of billions of dollars on nothing, and why

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<v Speaker 1>the website that made him so many billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>is falling apart at the seams, pumped full of content

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<v Speaker 1>created by the big, stupid bullshit machine he's helped popularize.

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<v Speaker 1>It's no longer time to gingerly cool about Sundar pishe Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's looking at my smartphone. It's time to ask him

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<v Speaker 1>how Gemini is going to make a profit and what

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<v Speaker 1>it is that it will do, and press him again

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<v Speaker 1>and again and again and again and again until he

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<v Speaker 1>talks about why Google Search is so bad. Now, it's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer time to let Sach and Adela oscillate from

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<v Speaker 1>referendums on capitalism twenty twenty to laying off tens of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of people in twenty twenty three. It's time to

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<v Speaker 1>ask him if he's prepared to bankroll open AI to

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<v Speaker 1>the tune of thirty billion dollars and refuse to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation without committing to a number. These men have

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<v Speaker 1>burned hundreds of billions of dollars on a machine that

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<v Speaker 1>boils lakes to make the most mediocre version of the past.

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<v Speaker 1>These men are not supporting innovation. They're aggressive forces, too

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<v Speaker 1>scared to piss off the markets to actually change the world,

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<v Speaker 1>domesticated animals that fear no natural predators and thus have

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<v Speaker 1>no hunger for something new. They propped up generative AI

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<v Speaker 1>because their followers rather than leaders that have paid hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions of dollars to empower a nihilistic kind of

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<v Speaker 1>growth capitalism that dresses up monopolies as disruption. They have

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<v Speaker 1>propped up generative AI because building the future is hard

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<v Speaker 1>and expensive and involves taking risks and making sure that

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<v Speaker 1>you have a culture that doesn't expect the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>a question in the fastest amount of time possible. Innovation

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<v Speaker 1>is an efficient. It's lossy. It has indeterminate time scales

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<v Speaker 1>and requires both capital investment and space required for great

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<v Speaker 1>people to think of actual solutions to problems that involve

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<v Speaker 1>them talking to and caring about the lives of real people.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire satch In the Dellar of Microsoft, Fire sund Arpishai

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<v Speaker 1>of Google, and work out a way to fire Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg of Meta. These men are unworthy. They do not

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<v Speaker 1>find any of this exciting or meaningful. They have no curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>They're private equity guys dressed up as software guys. They

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<v Speaker 1>are con artists. They are running their products into the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're making more money than ever. Big Tech has

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<v Speaker 1>been overcome with narcissism and nihilism, and it must change

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<v Speaker 1>its ways to not eventually face perdition. I am fucking serious.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think these people have a backup plan? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think they've burned all of this money on such

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<v Speaker 1>a mediocre and wasteful solution because they've got other better ideas? No,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all out. Big Tech does not have another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Google doesn't have any ideas. Meta is so out of

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that they change their name to another worse idea,

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<v Speaker 1>one associated with Mark Zuckerberg burning forty five billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for no reason. In fact, there's a Yahoo Finance story

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that all of that money that's allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>going into the metaverse is just organizational loss. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>horribly run place where the management constantly changes. These goddamn people.

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<v Speaker 1>And Amazon, they've never really been in the ideas business.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the founder of a cloud storage cartel with Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 1>Oracle and Google. They work together to set the prices.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone wins except anyone who isn't them. And big tech

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<v Speaker 1>is lazy because they've all agreed to compete only a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, never coloring too far out of the lines

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<v Speaker 1>because doing so might expose them to an actual risk,

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<v Speaker 1>like regulation or having to hire people that build new things,

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<v Speaker 1>versus finding increasingly more annoying ways to exploit their current customers.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really am sure that there's a societal shift

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<v Speaker 1>coming against big tech, the natural result of years of

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<v Speaker 1>excess and bullshit of the loudest people in tech trying

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<v Speaker 1>to convince people that a large language model that can

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<v Speaker 1>generate texts and images that kind of suck is basically

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing as an iPhone. I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>how quickly the shift comes, but it's coming. It's inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>This lack of big, profitable ideas will eventually lead to

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of reckoning or collapse. In big tech, healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>well run companies, they don't do things like this, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone several different trillion dollar companies all bumbling into each

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<v Speaker 1>other like the Three Stooges, billions of dollars of cash

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<v Speaker 1>falling out of their pockets. It's an absolute disgrace. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say, if the AI bubble really does pop, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a great time to point and laugh. Regular people

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<v Speaker 1>like yourself could see this was bullshit from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people find generative AI either briefly interesting or somewhat disgusting,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're capable of seeing that. Stealing the entire Internet

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<v Speaker 1>so you could spend one hundred billion dollars making a

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<v Speaker 1>shitty version of the past is kind of a stupid idea.

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<v Speaker 1>The utility really hasn't been there from the beginning. Describing

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<v Speaker 1>what chat GBT is is actually kind of difficult, and

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<v Speaker 1>any technology that's going to be worth trillions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>should not have the user saying, wait, what does this

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<v Speaker 1>do exactly? And I really feel like regular people notice this.

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<v Speaker 1>If this was as magical as it was, regular people

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<v Speaker 1>would be lining up to use it. And while it

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot of users. I don't know anyone who's

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<v Speaker 1>fanatical over it other than AI fanatics. It's just very sad.

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<v Speaker 1>But regular people aren't the only ones. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>criticized journalists for missing this, but I want to call

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<v Speaker 1>some people out in a good way. Economists, analysts and

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<v Speaker 1>journalists have been saying this isn't the future, like I said.

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<v Speaker 1>Shira a v Day in March twenty twenty three, mere

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<v Speaker 1>months after chat GPT's launch, said it wasn't magic. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>in the Washington Post, Shearer the Goat, Alex Kantrowitz and

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas Gorman reported in August fifteenth to twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>that chat gpt isn't good enough to take jobs and

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<v Speaker 1>it's unlikely to cause mass layoffs. The hot takes have

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<v Speaker 1>run into reality a little bit early, but you're correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Paris Mark's called the chat GPT revolution another take fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>in July twenty twenty three, and Gary Marcus worried about

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<v Speaker 1>Generative AI being a dud in August twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>While this is by no means an exhaustive list, it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to note that people have been saying this. People

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<v Speaker 1>with big platforms and the markets chose to ignore them

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<v Speaker 1>as an aside. A year later, when many outlets were

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<v Speaker 1>still tripping over themselves to say that generative AI was

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<v Speaker 1>the future. Sure A Viday of The Washington Post asked,

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<v Speaker 1>if these chatbots are supposed to be magical, why are

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<v Speaker 1>so many of them as dumb as rocks. It's important

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<v Speaker 1>to call out when a national newspaper actually does the

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<v Speaker 1>work that needs to be done to critique the powerful

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<v Speaker 1>good works here, Open invites come on the show. At

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<v Speaker 1>this point, it seems inevitable that the bubble will burst,

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<v Speaker 1>that the acceleration has stopped, that the funding won't be there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the markets taste for the billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take to make generative AI. Some indeterminate

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<v Speaker 1>level of better just really isn't there. By all means

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<v Speaker 1>tell me I'm wrong. You certainly do on Twitter, and

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<v Speaker 1>you certainly do on email. And I'd be genuinely intrigued

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<v Speaker 1>to see how open ai wriggles out of this jam,

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<v Speaker 1>especially because it would mean they made a meaningful product

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<v Speaker 1>that makes money when they don't have the chips to

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<v Speaker 1>train GPT five, a model that likely still wouldn't change

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<v Speaker 1>the game enough to matter. I mean, what if they

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<v Speaker 1>have a new architecture, I guess, but I refuse to

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<v Speaker 1>give them credit for something they haven't done yet. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the event that Open Ai or Anthropic is able

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<v Speaker 1>to raise again, we'll see the cycle continue another quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm confident, at which point something crazy would need to

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<v Speaker 1>happen to make any of this worth it. If these

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<v Speaker 1>companies can actually raise, they'll keep the bubble inflated. But

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<v Speaker 1>it really is borrowed time. There's enough money to fund

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<v Speaker 1>them both maybe one more time, and after that, where

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<v Speaker 1>is the profit? Where's this going? And it's really worth

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<v Speaker 1>considering that the narrative is bad and that there is

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<v Speaker 1>very little that anyone can really do to change it

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<v Speaker 1>outside of something truly incredible. These companies can play for time.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope that satch In a Dele and sun A Peshai

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<v Speaker 1>stan pats say that they have great faith in the

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<v Speaker 1>promise of AI, but I really don't think they get

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<v Speaker 1>another series of earnings for big tech like this. In

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<v Speaker 1>many ways, though, this is sam Ortman's greatest gambit, and

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<v Speaker 1>so much lies and Open Eyes back as a result.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the moment we find out if Sam Altman

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<v Speaker 1>has really got it. Whether it's worth agonizing and wringing

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<v Speaker 1>our hands about how scary he is, or whether he's

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<v Speaker 1>just able to hoodwink enough credulous billionaires that have their

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<v Speaker 1>hands well did to eternal money printers. Impress me, Samuel,

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<v Speaker 1>Wake up, Sammy, mister alt men, bring me the technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Show me what you've got, Show me your great works,

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<v Speaker 1>Show me the works you have buried in that non

0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:34.080
<v Speaker 1>profit for profit monstrosity. You've used the trick other visionless

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<v Speaker 1>power brokers into giving you their entire futures for a

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>dead end friend best known for an absenteism that raankled

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<v Speaker 1>his peers and some of the startups he was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to nurture. Show me what you've got, Sam, show us all.

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.719
<v Speaker 1>You're so smart. You allegedly can solve problems in a

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<v Speaker 1>single phone call. Everyone talks about your big brain. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the big play, big guy? You've got maybe six months

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.159
<v Speaker 1>and that's the most general estimate I've got. What is it?

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>What's the plan? Wait? What's that? Search? GPT? Search? GPT? Sam?

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 1>You're crazy, You're crazy, mister ortman. There's no way you

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<v Speaker 1>can build a Google Search competitor. Trust me. I know, no, really,

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<v Speaker 1>I worked it out. I spent a few hours looking

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<v Speaker 1>up Google's financial reports over the last decade or so,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how much the company spends and

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<v Speaker 1>operating costs and capital expenditures just related to search alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Due to the way Google structures it's financials, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to make some guesses, some more informed than others. But

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon it costs Google about thirty billion dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>year to run their search product, and that's not taken

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<v Speaker 1>into account the cost of the generative AI powered search summaries.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Sam, here we are. So that's thirty billion

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.560
<v Speaker 1>dollars a year to create something that can scale to

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:46.879
<v Speaker 1>the size of Google Search. And that's just the start

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<v Speaker 1>you with me, Man, things do not get easier. You see,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not just building a Google Search competitor with search

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<v Speaker 1>gpt as. You also have to build the ad take

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure to actually make money off of it, which you

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<v Speaker 1>are not good at. Okay, but you've got to copy

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<v Speaker 1>features from companies like double Click, which Google acquired in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and seven for three point one billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and pretty much underpins the whole operation. Or maybe you

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>have to build something like AdWords, which Google got when

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<v Speaker 1>it acquired Applied Semantics two thousand and three. You will

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<v Speaker 1>need something like both of these, and that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>cost you, in the best light, in the best day ever,

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<v Speaker 1>about three billion, or you're gonna have to outsource it,

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<v Speaker 1>which will make it worse and less profitable because outsourced

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>companies are going to take a cut of your revenue,

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>thus reducing your margins, which are already really bad. Then

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 1>you've got to hire experienced ad personnel and use that

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>ad tech infrastructure you built. You built that right to

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<v Speaker 1>enter a market. Google will use their entire cartel power

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<v Speaker 1>to kick you out of Wait what was that? Sam? Wait? What? Right? Right?

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>You've got to make money, and ideally more of it

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>than you spend something. As I've mentioned, you have some

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<v Speaker 1>issues with. Like I said, Google Search costs an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>shit toun to run thirty billion dollars easy, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>with decades of optimization, a coding language that they invented,

0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>thousands of miles of underground cables, and decades experience in

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.719
<v Speaker 1>doing a thing you're just learning to do, and they

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>have PhDs who specialize it. Wh've been at the company decades.

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<v Speaker 1>You did all that? Whoa? Okay? Sam? I'm impressed. You're

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<v Speaker 1>on a roll. You can do this. I believe in you,

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>mister Altman. Now just checking, how many AD salespeople do

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you have? What's that? None? You don't have any ad

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>salespeople for your search engine, Sam, You're gonna need them.

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Google had over thirty thousand AD salespeople before. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>last round of layoffs. You're not gonna make this thing

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<v Speaker 1>profitable without ads. In fact, I don't think Sam, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make this search product profitable at all. But you

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>know what may or may not be profitable. One of

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>our advertisers who will soon invade your living room, car,

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>or other place you listen to podcasts filling your various

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>crevices with commerce. Behold, they're bounty. All right, right, we're back,

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>and I'll dispense with the sam Ormond ben so one

0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 1>was looking up Google's financials, As I mentioned, I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to make a few educated guesses, and I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a hunch that Google has about a thirty five percent

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<v Speaker 1>profit margin, which is pretty good. But that's with over

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<v Speaker 1>two decades of infrastructure and a near monopoly on the

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<v Speaker 1>search market. Open Ai has none of those things. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't really own their infrastructure at all, as I mentioned,

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be relying entirely on GPT for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, which is insanely power and compute intensive

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and thus cost a lot more. And as I've said

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<v Speaker 1>a billion times already, GPT and other transformer based architecture

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:34.199
<v Speaker 1>is deeply unprofitable, unsustainable. And that's before you even get

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>to the hallucinations, the hallucinations that underpin your search engine.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to be profitable, which isn't profitable. Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really bad for them. Assuming the bulk of

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the costs associated with running Google Search comes from the

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>vast number of service required to actually power it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to imagine how anything open ai does could even

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<v Speaker 1>ever reach a profit, even if they had the monopoly

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Google has. Now, I'm confident that open ai is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to raise cap or right now on the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>search GPT is able to create a meaningful competitor to

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<v Speaker 1>the most profitable software business ever made, one that Google

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>will likely protect with various monopolistic weapons like its treacher

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>trove of patents. While the Department of Justice did just

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>declare that Google had a monopoly over the search market,

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>and I'll get to that in an upcoming episode. It

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>will take years for things to move on that front,

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>and nothing about this situation fixes any of open AI's problems.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of that, Google spends, as I've previously mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars on hardware and property. An open ai

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<v Speaker 1>would likely have to build infrastructure that dwarfs even the

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>outlays of Generative AI to scale a search engine that

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<v Speaker 1>could handle even hundreds of millions that loan the billions

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<v Speaker 1>of people that use Google Search. It could get Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>to build it or lease it from the likes of Oracle,

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and Microsoft could probably pay for it too, but that

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<v Speaker 1>would be another massive increase in capital expenditures at a

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>time when the markets are waiting for the stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>make money, rather than the companies to spend more money

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<v Speaker 1>on it. And I also should note that Microsoft reason

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<v Speaker 1>he described open ai as a competitor in the search business,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's unlikely to kill bing, which has been profitable

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<v Speaker 1>since twenty sixteen. Let's be honest, though this is all

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<v Speaker 1>fan fection. Open ai isn't competing with Google Search. It

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<v Speaker 1>would cost too much money, and the underlying technology is

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>neither good enough nor efficient enough to actually support a

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>search engine at scale, and even if it was, is

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it better? Probably not. What about chat? GPT says that

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be more reliable than Google Search, and God,

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>all of this is such a boring fucking face. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not watching startups mess around Silicon Valley experimenting in ways

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.239
<v Speaker 1>to fix weird problems. We're watching big tech outsource their

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>research and development costs to one of a few hand

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>selected con artists that they'll drop the second that Wall

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Street gets pissy. Why even pretend anymore? Anthropic is propped

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>up by Google and Amazon, who invested billions of dollars

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>in cloud credits. Microsoft props up open Ai to the

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>point that the Nvidia chips crisis affected here because Daddy

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft was buying them for open Ai to use, and Google, Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>and Microsoft are all making their own models, to the

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>point that Microsoft has already reported, like I said, that

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>they see open ai as a competitor. It's just it's

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>just also craven. Big tech funded a cloud dependent product

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>that costs so much more than anything else in the

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 1>market based on a spacious hype about what artificial intelligence

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>could or could not do. They do so as a

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 1>means of selling a new product, one that, while not

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>particularly useful, also means that they can charge a lot

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>for the cloud compute service it runs on, creating demand

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>for a product that pays them money just for existing,

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>allowing them to vastly expand their physical data center locations,

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>further enforcing their monopolies over the cloud storage industry. Microsoft, Google, Meta,

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and Amazon created a new way to turn money into

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<v Speaker 1>more money investing in a tech that required you to

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>pay them all a lot of money for cloud computing

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>services to run on. Like I said, the problem, it seems,

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>was that none of them were willing to consider a

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>world where this stuff never really turned into anything remarkable

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.719
<v Speaker 1>other than in its waste. And a lack of creativity

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 1>in the tallest towers of the valley in Redmond has

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>allowed the richest men in the industry to be conned

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 1>by a snake oil machine that loses billions of billions

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>of dollars. To be clear, there's nothing wrong on its

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 1>face inherently with generative AI. It does interesting things with documents,

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and I fully believe there'll be some low five version

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of generative AI that plugs around silently once the hyperscalers

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<v Speaker 1>piss off. My problem is that it's so horribly wasteful

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 1>to put all of this money into these large language models,

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the ones that steal everything, that require so much energy

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and create so little in return. Now there reason not

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>brought up previously. The whole calculation of open AI needing

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 1>five to ten billion dollars to survive is because I

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>wanted to make it clear how expensive them staying in places.

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>That is the money they will need to continue building

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the thing they are doing today. They don't have anything

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>in reserve. I am confident about it. Maybe they can survive,

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they can surprise me. Maybe that can happen, But

0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I just don't really see it happening. Greg Brockman's gone,

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 1>and I mean, he was just another non technical guy.

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 1>What's going to happen. You think Mirror Marat's is going

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>to come up with something, You think Sura is going

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to do it. No, they don't have anything. And I

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 1>realize it's so strange to say this, especially if you're

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>a member of the media listening to this. I know

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it's strange to accept this. But what if they're just

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>full of shit? What if this is the best they've got?

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 1>How do we deal with this? And I think we

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>start by accepting that all of this was completely and

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>utterly ridiculous. We live in incredible times. We're at a

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 1>boiling point in the tech industry's history where these sins

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>of excess and this total lack of vision of crippled

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>big tis ability to make new things. Things have been

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>too easy, too comfortable, and too frictionless for too long

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>for people like Sundhar Peshai and Sachinidella, and even people

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>like Larry Page and Sergey Brin, who are the only

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>two people who can fire Sandar from Google. Tech needs

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>to go back to creating interesting and cool things and

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>having companies run by people that actually care about build

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>holding them. Technology is capable of solving real problems, or

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 1>at least it has been in the past and proven

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>time and time again how profitable it can be to

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>do so, and I believe it can do just fine

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>without having four or five companies that do every single

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>thing that technology can do at the same time in

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>hopes that they can monopolize it. I don't think the

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>most powerful people in tech realize how frustrated people are,

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>how deeply affected by technology everyone is, even those who

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>don't identify as tech nerds or enthusiasts, and I think

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 1>men like Sandhar Peshai and Sachi Nadella are deeply unaware

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>of how ready people are for a change, how disgusted

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>they are by the crater in quality of the average

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 1>tech product at a time when executives have never been richer.

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Regular consumers know that Google Search sucks. They know that

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Facebook sucks. They know that websites are worse, that they

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 1>visit certain ones and there's eighteen pop ups and your

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.240
<v Speaker 1>phone's really hot. They know that their iPhones are randomly

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.919
<v Speaker 1>trying to make them buy Apple News, and they know

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>that there are people responsible. Tim Cook, EDDIQA Apple By

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the way, welcome to come on the show, But guys,

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.879
<v Speaker 1>stop trying to sell me Apple News. I don't want it.

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't want any of this Apple shit. Don't make

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 1>me use it unless I have to other than I message.

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 1>But moving on, there are real targets here. There are

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>people that need to go to fix things. S Darpishai

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<v Speaker 1>and Sachinidella must go. They are no longer trustworthy stewards

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<v Speaker 1>of the future and have inspired hundreds of billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars of waste in the hearts of their equally myopic competitors.

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<v Speaker 1>These men do not care about their customers, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>fear competition, and the government should break every single hyperscala up, Google, Meta, Amazon, Apple, Oracle,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them, and find ways to stop them ever

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<v Speaker 1>growing so large. In the future. Maybe we shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>such large tech companies. Maybe we don't need multiple trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar juggernauts that do everything in a shitty way. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need companies that do online advertising and or

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<v Speaker 1>so provide a platform, because that kind of monopoly leads

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<v Speaker 1>to insane incentives like you're seeing with Google Search and Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all deserve better, and the way to get

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<v Speaker 1>there is to say the names of those responsible, to

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<v Speaker 1>document their disgraceful acts, and call for accountability again and

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<v Speaker 1>again and again and again until something actually happens and changes.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is changing. The narrative is changing, and soon

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<v Speaker 1>it will shift more aggressively and more violently against big tech.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is a great thing for the

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<v Speaker 1>world and ultimately to take industry at large. Now as

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<v Speaker 1>we see the bubble, the AI bubble collapse, and must

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, none of this is a victory lap for me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not actually, how I wish this went. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish this bubble had burst earlier. It would have caused

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<v Speaker 1>less harm to the environment, to the markets, to the

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<v Speaker 1>freelancers who lose their jobs, to the artists who email

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<v Speaker 1>me every week. It would have wasted less money, taken

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<v Speaker 1>less attention away from the rest of the industry, and

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<v Speaker 1>allowed Sam Wortman to accumulate less money and power. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>this bubble has been allowed to swell so long it

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<v Speaker 1>will only emphasize how bereft of ideas big tech has become,

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<v Speaker 1>and the consequences are a growing distent against tech from

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<v Speaker 1>the general public. And this era was ultimately the result

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<v Speaker 1>of a lack of fear in the hearts of big

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<v Speaker 1>tech and a deeply held belief that their positions were

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<v Speaker 1>permanent and their customers were trapped. My purpose in documenting

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<v Speaker 1>this in what feels at times like narrating the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. I'm not looking to be a pundit

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<v Speaker 1>or a talk in head, or a person who wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be given credit for calling out the bubble, as

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<v Speaker 1>none of these serve you, the customer, the listener, or

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<v Speaker 1>history itself. What I say may be imperfect, but it

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<v Speaker 1>exists to try and give you a clear understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening. And yes, it's a little emotionally charged and

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<v Speaker 1>very clear in its biases. I believe that the tech

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<v Speaker 1>industry has lost its love and curiosity, and I find

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<v Speaker 1>it disgusting, and the best way to fight back is

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<v Speaker 1>to studiously explain things as they happen from my perspective

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<v Speaker 1>at length, but with I hope a clarity that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>require a ton of technical knowledge. As things have accelerated,

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<v Speaker 1>I've become a little more introspective about the role of

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<v Speaker 1>my podcas as, my newsletter and my posts. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a particularly profound conclusion other than that I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that I have a brevity and clarity about the tech

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<v Speaker 1>industry that many don't. And I also find that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>extremely fast at writing. And I also find this all

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting because I'm a horrible little goblin, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk for nearly two hours or write thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>words because I desperately need the attention, which I do love.

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I do it for the thrill I like covering this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and because if I don't say these things out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>the cats in my brain will eventually try and emerge.

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<v Speaker 1>But seriously, though I do these things as I need to.

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<v Speaker 1>This is important to me. Maybe I'm fighting back. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I just like creating. I don't really know. This is

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<v Speaker 1>me processing watching an industry I care deeply about get

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<v Speaker 1>ransecked again and again by people who don't seem to

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<v Speaker 1>actually care about technology. The Internet made me who I am,

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 1>connecting me and in many cases, introducing me to the

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 1>people I hold dearest to my heart. It let me

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<v Speaker 1>run a successful PR business despite having a learning disability dyspraxia,

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>or as it's called in America, developmental coordinational distort that

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.360
<v Speaker 1>makes it difficult for me to write words with a

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<v Speaker 1>pen and thrive, despite being regularly told in secondary school

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.879
<v Speaker 1>that I wouldn't amount to much any of you listen, then, guy,

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>fuck yourself. I believe that there are many, many, many

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<v Speaker 1>people that have been allowed to live better, full and

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<v Speaker 1>more meaningful lives as a result of technology, and I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the people who built the tools that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>them to do so no longer control the future. And

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<v Speaker 1>that makes me really fucking annoyed. I refuse to watch

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<v Speaker 1>this bullshit happen in silence, and I encourage you, as

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<v Speaker 1>I have before, to fill social media and conversations with

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<v Speaker 1>the names of those responsible. Satch In a Dela of Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 1>Sundar Peshai of Google, Mark Zuckerberg of Meta, Andy Jesse

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 1>of Amazon, Sam Altman of Associated cons Mir Marati CTO

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<v Speaker 1>of Open Ai, and Read Hoffman, the venture capitalist who

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<v Speaker 1>seems to always benefit over the next bullshit machine, all

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for this echoing nihilism that's created the generative AI boom.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these people will be fine, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>when this collapses. All of these people will just fine.

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Multi billionaires, they will be just fine. But the people

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<v Speaker 1>that won't be are the people they will lay off,

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the people that have invested and lost money in these things,

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<v Speaker 1>the people that may even come to rely on chat

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>GPT in some small way, who won't be able to

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<v Speaker 1>afford it when it goes tits up or gets jacked

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<v Speaker 1>up price wise, because that's the only way to make

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<v Speaker 1>it affordable for the company. Or maybe all of this

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>just disappears and these customers are left with nothing. But

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I understand you might feel a little doomed, the

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:33.439
<v Speaker 1>doomer in you. Someone recently called me a duma, which

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<v Speaker 1>really pissed me off, because I'm not I'm angry, and

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I know some of you might be too. I won't

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<v Speaker 1>say you're angry, that isn't fair, but based on the

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<v Speaker 1>emails again, some of you seem pretty pissed. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not speaking for you here, but I'm angry because I

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<v Speaker 1>know that TED can be cooler and better and more interesting,

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 1>that there are real problems of poverty and climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>of the myriad systems that don't connect very well on

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:02.320
<v Speaker 1>every laptop and phone, That things can be better, problems

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<v Speaker 1>that can be solved, but right now they need to

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<v Speaker 1>put tens of billions and dollars into generative AI. Come on, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we can do better than this. And while there might

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<v Speaker 1>be little you can do to them directly, I encourage

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 1>you to say these names to your friends on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Prabagar Ragavan, remember him from Google. Tell people all about

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<v Speaker 1>him too. I encourage you to let anybody and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>you know know who's responsible for this, because ultimately what

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<v Speaker 1>may pop the AI bubble is a narrative, and narratives shift,

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<v Speaker 1>and narratives are shifted by word of mouth, and they

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<v Speaker 1>shift because of people like you and like me who

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