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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show.

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Speaker 2: One moment on the debate stage we didn't get to

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Speaker 2: talk about yesterday was the climate change section, and actually

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Speaker 2: thought it was worth digging into a little bit, both

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Speaker 2: about the audience and about the way that Ron Desantles

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Speaker 2: the question to the candidates, and then the candidates themselves

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Speaker 2: were asked to raise their hand if they believed in

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Speaker 2: man made climate change. DeSantis quit swatted that away and

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Speaker 2: it led to an exchange also with the vike Ramaswami.

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Speaker 2: So let's take a listen to all of that and

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Speaker 4: So we want to start on this with a show

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Speaker 4: of hands.

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Speaker 5: Do you believe in human behavior is causing climate change?

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Speaker 4: Raise your hand if you do.

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Speaker 6: Look, we're not school children. Let's have the debate. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm happy to take it to start. Alexander Chardy Region,

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Speaker 7: Think that's the way to do.

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Speaker 6: So let me just say to Alexander this, first of all,

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Speaker 6: one of the reasons our country's declined is because of

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Speaker 6: was on the beach while those people were suffering.

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Speaker 8: Let us be honest as Republicans. I'm the only person

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Speaker 8: on the stage who isn't bought and paid for, so

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Speaker 8: I can say this, The climate change agenda.

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Speaker 9: Is, the climate change agenda is a hoax, and.

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Speaker 6: We have to declare in the Lindon School.

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Speaker 8: And the reality is the anti carbon agenda is the

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Speaker 8: wet blanket on our economy. And so the reality is

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Speaker 8: more people are dying of bad climate change policies than

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Speaker 2: Interesting moment, there the way that DeSantis is able to

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Speaker 2: parry away from all of this, right VI vike Ramaswami. Also,

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Speaker 2: had a big exchange about him too. I'm curious what

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Speaker 3: Some political skill from DeSantis, because.

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Speaker 2: I remember that you said previously about the whole razor

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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, it was decent answer in terms

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Speaker 3: I still couldn't really get there, But.

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Speaker 2: On a second watch, I think it might be the

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Speaker 2: climate change answer itself. Really, Yeah, I'm still not one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so there's a couple things I will say

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Speaker 1: here First of all, I do think it was clever

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Speaker 4: Is a hoax, like very directly, I.

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Speaker 1: Actually thought in a way it demonstrated why he won

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is what Trump does, right.

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Speaker 1: Trump would say stuff that part of the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: And Vivek said something that part of the Republican Party

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Speaker 4: Part of it them loved it though, and part.

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Speaker 1: Of them just took it as a signal whatever they

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Speaker 4: He doesn't talk like the other ones.

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Speaker 1: He's not Weasley trying to get out of this answer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's good analysis. I think you're right

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Speaker 2: the flag goes up anytime you hear climate change. One

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I appreciated that. I thought it was good.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons why that I have seen the

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Speaker 1: But hey, idea that you get into this whole world

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Speaker 3: Which some of it is true, like let's be real,

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Speaker 4: The world economics, they're interested in maintaining the status quo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean in terms of the future. Whatever

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Speaker 1: Well, and as you see, Vivek is very slippery here

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Speaker 1: He didn't say climate change is a hoax. Yes, he

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Speaker 1: So I am one hundred percent sure when someone you know,

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Speaker 1: I think bigger picture for the Republican Party this is

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Speaker 4: I think that climate increasingly becomes a sort of Lippus

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Speaker 1: Are you even you know, remotely approachable or on our

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Speaker 3: That's the one thing which I never have quite understood.

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Speaker 2: He in particular has like a religious jihad against EV

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Speaker 2: don't think people actually care about EV technology itself. It's like,

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Speaker 1: But it's pragmatic, like I want to save on gas

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Speaker 12: I'm Maximilian Alvarez. I'm the editor in chief of the

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Speaker 12: Real News Network and host of the podcast Working People

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Speaker 12: And this is the Art of class War on Breaking Points.

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Speaker 12: After the high stakes contract fight between the Teamsters and

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Speaker 12: I know there's a lot going on. You just got

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Speaker 9: moment for our membership when you have leaders at the

438
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Speaker 9: top and and you know, uh, I think it was

439
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Speaker 9: Ayacoca who said we got to keep them fat, dumb

440
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 9: and happy. And then you're sitting there and you're wondering

441
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Speaker 9: why our contracts have been what they've been for the

442
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Speaker 9: past few years. So with the reform movement, you know,

443
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 9: we came in and we had the referendum vote for

444
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Speaker 9: one member, one vote, and with that Admin caucus being

445
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 9: sole control over our union for the last seventy years,

446
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 9: we were kind of like, well, what's this going to be.

447
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 9: But at the same time, you know, this was a

448
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 9: once in a lifetime chance to win one member, one

449
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 9: vote because there have been so many reform movements that

450
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 9: have come before us that have tried to get this

451
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 9: and tried to win this but have been failed, or

452
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Speaker 9: they have been bullied, or they've been intimidated.

453
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Speaker 3: Until you know.

454
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Speaker 9: Their reform movement was over.

455
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Speaker 3: We pushed through.

456
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Speaker 9: We won one member one vote. It wasn't even close.

457
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 9: I think it was by three to one margins. I

458
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Speaker 9: want to say it was. It was higher than sixty percent.

459
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Speaker 9: I think it was closer to sixty nine. And then

460
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Speaker 9: we were off to the elections, which is when we

461
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Speaker 9: won our reform slate, which again was another unheard of things.

462
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Speaker 9: And some people in the media say that Sean Fain

463
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Speaker 9: doesn't have a mandate, but when you look at the

464
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Speaker 9: history of our union, we went up against the cack

465
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Speaker 9: that had never been defeated for seventy years, and we

466
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Speaker 9: won every single race that we contested, that's a mandate.

467
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 9: What's at stake. I think everything's at stake. I think

468
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 9: the future of auto manufacturing in this nation is at stake.

469
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Speaker 9: I think this is the most consequential contract of my lifetime,

470
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Speaker 9: of my generation, and we got to win what we're

471
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Speaker 9: fighting for because if we don't, the next generation there

472
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 9: might not be a next generation of autoworkers in this nation.

473
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Speaker 12: Well, let's talk about that for a second. Let's get

474
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Speaker 12: into some of the specifics about what y'all are fighting for.

475
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 12: Now with this mandate, and I would agree with you.

476
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Speaker 12: I mean, like to given what y'all accomplished in terms

477
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 12: of reforming your union, one of the biggest unions and

478
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 12: most story unions in the country after seventy years of

479
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 12: essential one party rule, Like that's pretty darn significant considering

480
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 12: what you were going up against, as you said, But

481
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 12: like I want to like make tangible for people what

482
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 12: you know, the kind of past regime, you know, like

483
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 12: what that translated to on the contract side and on

484
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Speaker 12: the union side for y'all, Like what kinds of concessions

485
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Speaker 12: you know, like were workers taking in the auto industry.

486
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 12: And now that you have reformed your union, you have

487
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 12: you've been fighting back. I mean, there's always more fighting

488
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 12: to do. But as you said, you got a real

489
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 12: opportunity here to, like the teamsters that UPS did actually

490
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 12: go on the offensive instead of constantly playing defense, which

491
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 12: you know, American manufacturers and unionized workers they're in have

492
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Speaker 12: been on the back, back foot, on the defensive for many,

493
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Speaker 12: many years because there's always that threat, right if if

494
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 12: workers demand too much, or you know, if they want

495
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 12: good paying jobs and a good pension, and you know,

496
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Speaker 12: like no two tier or three tier wage systems. Then

497
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 12: the bosses could always just threaten to leave. And when

498
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 12: you have that card in your back pocket, it puts

499
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 12: labor on the back foot. But then when you combine

500
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Speaker 12: that with a sort of business friendly philosophy in a

501
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 12: union that is dominated by an admittedly corrupt leadership that

502
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 12: is not responding to the needs of its members, then

503
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 12: you get a really like bad you know, you get

504
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 12: a recipe for disaster there. And that is what I've

505
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 12: heard from many auto workers over the years, is that,

506
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 12: you know, we feel like we've been losing ground for decades,

507
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 12: and you know it only got worse after the Great Recession, right,

508
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 12: But I think there's a real big lesson here. I

509
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 12: remember Clayton Clive, a train operator in England who I

510
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 12: interviewed right here on Breaking Points a couple months ago.

511
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 12: He said something that really struck me. He said, you know,

512
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 12: my union is the most democratic area of my life.

513
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 12: If there's something wrong in my union, and there was

514
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 12: obviously a lot of things wrong within the UAW, you

515
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 12: have the chance to fix that, right, you know. And

516
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 12: you have more of a chance to fix that with

517
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 12: your coworkers than any of us do with a political party.

518
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 12: Or a private corporation. Like, just because there's corruption and

519
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 12: rot in a union doesn't mean that we just say, well,

520
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 12: unions are corrupt and useless, let's give up on them.

521
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 12: Like no, you clean house, you fix it, you take

522
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 12: control of it, and you make it better. And then

523
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 12: you fight for the contract that you and your members deserve.

524
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 12: So what are y'all fighting for in this contract and

525
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 12: how is it different from like the more concessionary trail

526
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 12: of contracts that you had had under the previous UAW regime.

527
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 9: So we got we got quite list of demands ending tears.

528
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 9: So that was one of the things that was born

529
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 9: about from the Great Recession, where you'd have your traditional

530
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Speaker 9: auto worker that was somebody hired in before I think

531
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 9: it's two thousand and eight, but it might be two

532
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 9: thousand and six. I can't remember the exact cutoff date.

533
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 9: But they have you know, the pension, the retiree healthcare

534
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 9: they have, they were always full pay. Then you had

535
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 9: Tier two that came in before or after them after

536
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 9: the recession, and they started out back when I started,

537
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 9: it was fifteen seventy eight, now it's sixteen sixty seven.

538
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 9: And then we didn't have in the beginning, we didn't

539
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 9: have health care, the same healthcare benefits we didn't have

540
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 9: we had no opportunity to hit top pay, and then

541
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 9: those those were kind of built slowly back. So now

542
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 9: we have a path the top pay. We have the

543
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 9: same health insurance, but we have a different benefits tier.

544
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 9: So I don't get a pension. I have a four

545
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 9: to oh one K that I contribute to, but I

546
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 9: don't have a pension. I don't have retiree healthcare. I

547
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 9: don't have the same vacation time that year one or

548
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 9: traditional autoworkers have. And it was a way for the

549
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 9: company to save money, but it was also more insidious

550
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 9: than that. It was their way of eroding solidarity. And

551
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 9: we've seen this in the past and the labor movement,

552
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 9: where they've set up different ethnic groups to battle each other. Well,

553
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 9: now they've kind of evolved that fight and they'll create

554
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 9: tear structures. So then workers fight workers and pit each

555
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 9: other each other against each other. That way, another demand

556
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 9: is getting tempts hired on permanent. In my opinion, there's

557
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 9: nobody down there that should be there longer than ninety days.

558
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: I was a lucky one.

559
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Speaker 9: I only spent a year and a half until I

560
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 9: got hired in permanent, one of my good buddies six years,

561
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 9: six years as attempt. And then after you get hired in,

562
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 9: you still have an eight year growing scale. So you're

563
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 9: talking about nearly fourteen years of your working career, almost

564
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 9: half of your working career, and you can't How can

565
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 9: you save for retirement when you're barely making enough to

566
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 9: get by. Another demand is our cola cost of living allowance,

567
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 9: So whenever the inflation rate goes up, you know, we'd

568
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 9: get a raise, so we'd make the same amount of

569
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 9: money despite inflation going up. That was a key demand

570
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 9: and that was something that was suspended under the recession.

571
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 9: Another demand is raised for our retirees for too long.

572
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 9: I'm third generation UAW our retirees. You know, they haven't

573
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 9: gotten a bump in their pension in so many years.

574
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 9: And when you retire and you do this work and

575
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 9: you give thirty years plus of your life to this company,

576
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 9: you know, that's that's harple tunnel surgery. That's that's surgery

577
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 9: on your fingers, your shoulders, your knees, your back, Like

578
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 9: there's a lot that goes into a work. It destroys

579
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 9: our body and I think the company and the corporation

580
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 9: has a moral obligation to take care of these retirees

581
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 9: and give them a raise so they're not becoming destitute.

582
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 9: I mean, that's it's the same thing that they would

583
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 9: do for Mary Barra or Carlos Taveras, like they if

584
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 9: they needed more money, like the corporasure would be like, well,

585
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 9: here you go. I mean, they got pensions, they got

586
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 9: millions of dollars. They would cough it up for the CEOs,

587
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 9: but they don't want to cough it up when it

588
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 9: comes to the working class. Another thing we want is

589
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 9: the right to strike over plant closures. I mean, that's huge.

590
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 9: Sixty five plants in the last twenty years, and I

591
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 9: like to think about it a completely different way. That's

592
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 9: sixty five communities in the last twenty years that have

593
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 9: been destroyed because they made the decision to pull out.

594
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 9: They made the decision to use those locations as crudgels

595
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 9: at the negotiation table. And you see it right now

596
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 9: with Belvedere, they close that leading up to negotiations are

597
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 9: indefinitely off idled, non out allocated, whatever phrase management wants

598
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 9: to use, you know. And they did it for a reason.

599
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 9: They did it so they could use it as leverage

600
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 9: for negotiations. And it's messed up that the wealthy elite

601
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 9: does this and they get kind of almost a free

602
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 9: pass because what they're doing is they're extorting local communities.

603
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 9: They're extorting the politicians to get tax write offs, like, hey,

604
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 9: if you want us to keep product in your area,

605
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 9: you're going to have to give us some money. And

606
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 9: it's just it's how they've operated for so many years.

607
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 9: So we want the right to strike over plant closures

608
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 9: so we can make sure that these good pain American

609
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 9: jobs stay here in America and support the communities that

610
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 9: we we support. Gosh, there's there's there's a lot another

611
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 9: demand and I'll just touch on this quickly. As a

612
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 9: thirty two hour work week, so with ev production coming,

613
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 9: you know, EV's are going to take anywhere up to

614
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 9: thirty percent less manpower to assemble allegedly. So with that

615
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 9: thirty percent, we think that that increased productivity should help

616
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 9: benefit the workers and and also behind that, you know,

617
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 9: for so many years we've worked seven six, seven days

618
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 9: a week, ten twelve hour days, you know, and and

619
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 9: it's time that you know, we we are rewarded for

620
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 9: that hard work and that increased productivity rate.

621
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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, and that's that's a big one. I mean,

622
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 12: these are all big ones, right, I mean And and yeah,

623
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 12: like like you said, like y'all are coming in with

624
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 12: a law list of demands that I'm sure have got

625
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 12: to put the big three automakers on their back foot

626
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 12: a little bit, and they'd be like, oh man, who

627
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 12: are these guys? Right, because like, and that's I think, like,

628
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 12: what is so crucial about this moment and why it's

629
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 12: also so exciting. But you know, there's so much riding

630
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 12: on all of us supporting this struggle and ensuring that

631
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 12: our fellow workers like Nick win this struggle, right, because

632
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 12: it carries over. This is a perfect example, right, the

633
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 12: teamsters negotiating with UPS over the past year. They really

634
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 12: won a crucial victory by getting UPS to eliminate a

635
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 12: two tiered position for the drivers of the package cars.

636
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 12: This is the twenty two to four drivers, a tier

637
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 12: that was created to essentially allow new hires who were

638
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 12: driving those trucks to make like a lot less than

639
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 12: the people who were hired before them. And so you

640
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 12: have people on this same trucks doing the same job

641
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 12: making wildly disparate amounts in the same way that you

642
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 12: have on the you know, shop floor in an auto plant.

643
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 12: You got tempts, you got tier one, tier two. But

644
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 12: what we're talking about here in a lot of respects

645
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 12: is equal pay for equal work, right, and you know,

646
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 12: like equal protections for all workers who are doing that work.

647
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 12: But the bosses have created these tiers that, as Nick said,

648
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 12: it creates resentment because you're looking over your shoulder at

649
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 12: the guy who's doing the same job as you, but

650
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 12: is making maybe ten, twelve, thirteen dollars more than you

651
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Speaker 12: as a pension. Right, that's going to seep into your

652
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Speaker 12: subconscious and the bosses know that. That's why they do it.

653
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Speaker 12: They also do it to try to save money, of course,

654
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Speaker 12: But anyway, I mean with the teamsters getting ups to

655
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Speaker 12: say we're going to eliminate the twenty two fours and

656
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Speaker 12: we're going to convert those jobs into full time positions

657
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Speaker 12: at the full tier level, like that was a pretty

658
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Speaker 12: significant moment, and I feel like a lot of union

659
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Speaker 12: and a lot of workers saw that as like, okay,

660
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Speaker 12: it's open season on two tier. Now, we got to

661
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Speaker 12: go for the juggular and we got to fight to

662
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Speaker 12: overturn this scourge that has plagued the auto industry among

663
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Speaker 12: many other industries. Right, So, like, I think that that's

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Speaker 12: a really important issue to highlight. I just wanted to

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Speaker 12: comment on that for viewers and listeners. But I want

666
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Speaker 12: to pick up also on kind of what you were

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Speaker 12: saying about the companies themselves, right, and the kind of

668
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Speaker 12: situation that we're in, because I see this all the time,

669
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Speaker 12: not only having lived in the Midwest, but talking to

670
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Speaker 12: workers for years throughout you know, like the manufacturing sector

671
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Speaker 12: and the former manufacturing communities that have been destroyed because

672
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Speaker 12: companies have pulled out their operations and ripped the economic

673
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Speaker 12: heart out of communities like Youngstown, Ohio, where the famous

674
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Speaker 12: Lord'stown plant was shuttered a few years ago or idled.

675
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Speaker 12: You know, they don't say that they're closing it because

676
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Speaker 12: then they would be violating the contract. But that's the

677
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 12: story for another day. So this is very personal to

678
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 12: me in a lot of respects. I'm not an autoworker,

679
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 12: I've never been one, and I've never been in the UAW.

680
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Speaker 12: But what I mean by that is, in the very

681
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 12: first season of my podcast, Working People, the first story

682
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Speaker 12: that I got really sucked into were the GM layoffs.

683
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 12: They were announced right after Thanksgiving in twenty eighteen, literally

684
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Speaker 12: the day that people got back from Thanksgiving break, a

685
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Speaker 12: few weeks before Christmas. You know, these massive layoffs by

686
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Speaker 12: a company that had gotten a massive tax break from

687
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump's government and then was in the black and

688
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 12: making a whole lot of money and had really kind

689
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Speaker 12: of come roaring back since the dark days of the recession.

690
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Speaker 12: And instead of repaying workers like yourself for the sacrifices

691
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 12: you made in the Great Recession, they repaid you all

692
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Speaker 12: with layoffs and plant closures or idling of plants. Right,

693
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Speaker 12: is this are the kind of companies that we're talking about,

694
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Speaker 12: and they got bailed out by the taxpayers to the

695
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Speaker 12: tune of over eighty billion dollars, right, I mean, Like,

696
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Speaker 12: so I wanted to ask, like again, with all that

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Speaker 12: in mind, like I wanted to ask, like, what kind

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Speaker 12: of companies are we dealing with here? Like what do

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Speaker 12: you think folks watching this need to understand about companies

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Speaker 12: that can, you know, take taxpayer money in the midst

701
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Speaker 12: of recession, you know, force concessions on their workers, promise

702
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 12: workers like you that they're gonna pay you back when

703
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 12: they're profitable again, only a few years later to get

704
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Speaker 12: massive windfall profits from tax breaks and still layoff people,

705
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Speaker 12: and still close plants, and still destroy communities like Lordstown

706
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Speaker 12: where Donald Trump in twenty seventeen came and how lo

707
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Speaker 12: rally and told workers at in Youngstown don't sell your

708
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Speaker 12: homes because I'm going to bring manufacturing back. And then

709
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Speaker 12: a year later, a company that got a massive tax

710
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Speaker 12: break from him still closed the plant. But like, I

711
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Speaker 12: don't mean to drag this into a political thing. I'm

712
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Speaker 12: just saying I was there covering all of this. I

713
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Speaker 12: was talking to people in Ohio, auto workers in Detroit

714
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Speaker 12: and other parts of Michigan, in Oshawa in Canada, right,

715
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Speaker 12: and I heard the despair and the hurt in their

716
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Speaker 12: voices at what the companies like GM were doing to them.

717
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Speaker 12: So I wanted to ask you, this is a very

718
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Speaker 12: long question, I apologize, what kind of companies are we

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Speaker 12: dealing with here?

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Speaker 14: Right?

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Speaker 12: They're raking in billions of dollars in profit, They've made

722
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Speaker 12: a quarter of a trillion dollars over the past year collectively.

723
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Speaker 12: What future do they want for the auto industry? And

724
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Speaker 12: what future are you guys in the UAW fighting for You.

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Speaker 9: Left out the part where they also got on average

726
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Speaker 9: a forty percent increase in the CEO. Okay, of course

727
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Speaker 9: this is it's the same story that you hear and

728
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Speaker 9: you've covered throughout the entire Roust belt. These companies, like

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Speaker 9: Sean president Sean Fagin said, they worship at the altar

730
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Speaker 9: of profit. Their only goal is to increase their bottom line.

731
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Speaker 9: That's what they want. They want to show to the

732
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Speaker 9: shareholders that they're going to pay out dividends to like, hey,

733
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Speaker 9: look guys, we're doing it while ignoring the worker on

734
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Speaker 9: the line. That's that's actually creating the profit. These are corporations.

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Speaker 9: And I feel bad saying this because I'm employed by it,

736
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Speaker 9: but it's these are corporations that their their goal is

737
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Speaker 9: to they when they look it out right, they they

738
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Speaker 9: think they talk about competitiveness, which is really just code

739
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 9: word for a race to the bottom. They will close

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Speaker 9: a plant in America, ship it down to Mexico where

741
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Speaker 9: they can really exploit the workers down there and the

742
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Speaker 9: environmental laws. Workers in Mexico are paid sub four dollars

743
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Speaker 9: an hour, and then well then the argument it becomes, well,

744
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Speaker 9: if they don't do that, then the labor costs are

745
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Speaker 9: going to eat up the entire profit mark. And it's

746
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Speaker 9: just simply not true because if that was true, when

747
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Speaker 9: they ship these jobs down in Mexico, these vehicles would

748
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Speaker 9: come back and they'd cost less. But they're they're building

749
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Speaker 9: trucks down there and they're shipping them up here and

750
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Speaker 9: they still cost eighty thousand. So it's not it's not

751
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Speaker 9: the workers' wages. It's really just these companies desire to

752
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Speaker 9: increase their bottom line and they don't. They don't they

753
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 9: don't think about the human costs. They don't think about

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Speaker 9: the people like my mother from James Will, Wisconsin, who

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Speaker 9: had her her daughters have children, and she's been in

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Speaker 9: Kansas City for the last ten years, so in many aspects,

757
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Speaker 9: you know, she travels back, we travel back, and every

758
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 9: time we see them, you know, they're they're six months older,

759
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 9: they're a year older. So we're talking about the human

760
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Speaker 9: cost of of what they what they're doing when they

761
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 9: only talk about the profit costs. Everything is at stake

762
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Speaker 9: in this contract negotiation. Like I said before, this is

763
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Speaker 9: this is a fight not just for our hay and

764
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 9: benefits and and the retirees and and everything else. This

765
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 9: is this is a fight for America's working class. If

766
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Speaker 9: we can't win it, if we can't stop it as

767
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 9: as labor in America, what's that going to do for

768
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Speaker 9: the non union shops. And and that's what we're thinking

769
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Speaker 9: about as we go into this. You know, this, this

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Speaker 9: contract is going to have a massive ripple, especially if

771
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Speaker 9: we win a historic contract like the Teamsters just one

772
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Speaker 9: that's gonna have a reverberating effect down the line through

773
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Speaker 9: all the suppliers, even through the non union automakers in

774
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Speaker 9: the South. And that's another thing they don't tell you

775
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 9: when they talk about competitiveness. You know, when we get it,

776
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Speaker 9: that also makes their rivals have to pay more and

777
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Speaker 9: increase it because otherwise they're going to lose their top

778
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 9: talent to the automaker, the big three. So yeah, it's

779
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 9: just these these companies just they care nothing more about,

780
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Speaker 9: nothing more than their bottom line. And it's sad.

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Speaker 11: It is.

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Speaker 12: I mean, you know, like you said, just like the

783
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Speaker 12: railroads that we've been covering, right, I mean, here's an

784
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Speaker 12: industry where you know workers, you know, it was one

785
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 12: of the best blue collar jobs that you could get

786
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 12: without a college degree, and like they have turned a

787
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 12: once good job into a miserable experience. They've run the

788
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 12: supply chain into the ground. Workers are quitting in record numbers,

789
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Speaker 12: catastrophes like East Palestine are happening over a thousand derailments

790
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 12: a year. But the rail companies are making record profits,

791
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 12: and like stock buybacks and shareholder dividends and executive pay

792
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 12: are higher than they've ever been. So like someone's winning

793
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 12: and the rest of us are losing here, and that

794
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 12: very much also includes the auto industry. And you know,

795
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Speaker 12: I think that's why this is such a crucial fight,

796
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 12: as you so beautifully said, not just for folks like

797
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 12: yourself in the auto industry, but for the working class

798
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Speaker 12: writ large, because we've got to dig our heels in

799
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Speaker 12: the ground and push back somehow, otherwise we are all

800
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Speaker 12: going to be in a perpetual race to the bottom,

801
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 12: as Bernie Sanders famously said. And on that note, man,

802
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 12: because I got to let you go, but I really

803
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 12: appreciate this, But with the last like minute or two

804
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Speaker 12: that I've got you, I just wanted to ask if

805
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 12: there was anything else that you wanted to highlight for

806
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 12: people watching, and what can people watching do to support

807
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 12: you and your fellow UAW members in this contract fight,

808
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 12: whether you end up going on strike in a month

809
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 12: or not.

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Speaker 9: Well, one way they can get involved is they can

811
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 9: actually go to the uaw's website and they can sign

812
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 9: up to receive notifications. Another thing that anybody can do

813
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 9: is come and join us. If we end up out

814
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 9: on strike in September fourteenth, come and join us on

815
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 9: the picket line. You know, talk to us, hear our story.

816
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 9: Because I'm sure you know this as you've covered workers.

817
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 9: But when when you're at the direct action and you're

818
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 9: actually talking to them, you're going to find out that

819
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 9: you know, in my plant of about two thousand, that's

820
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 9: two thousand different stories, that's two thousand different hurts. That's

821
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 9: two to thousand different issues that they got going on

822
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 9: and why they submitted demand X, Y, and Z to

823
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 9: better their lives and help out their coworkers. So really,

824
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 9: just just get involved, share our content, and just stand

825
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 9: with us, because we're not labor, doesn't We in the

826
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 9: UAW have never just fought for ourselves. We've always engaged

827
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Speaker 9: in a fight while also thinking about how is this

828
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 9: going to benefit the American working class as a whole.

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Speaker 9: A rising tide lifts all ships, and that's what we're

830
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 9: trying to do. We're trying to change the dynamic of

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Speaker 9: the conversation of American labor in this nation. So whatever

832
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 9: you can do, whatever you can give, whatever you can donate,

833
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 9: even if it's just the case of water you found

834
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 9: out on sale, drive it down to your local UAW

835
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 9: hall and they'd be more than happy to accept it.

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Speaker 9: And we're thankful for any support that we can get.

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Speaker 12: Hell yeah, So that is Nick Levick, a General Motors autoworker,

838
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 12: a rank and file member of UAW Local thirty one

839
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Speaker 12: in Kansas City and an activist with the Caucus Unite

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Speaker 12: All Workers for Democracy. Nick, thank you so much for

841
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 12: joining us today on Breaking Points. Brother, I really really

842
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 12: appreciate it.

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Speaker 9: Thanks for having me anytime.

844
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Speaker 12: So that was Nick Livick, a General Motors autoworker, a

845
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Speaker 12: rank and file member of UAW Local thirty one in

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Speaker 12: Kansas City, and an activist with the Caucus Unite All

847
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Speaker 12: Workers for Democracy, and that will do it for us today.

848
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Speaker 12: Thank you so much for watching this segment with Breaking Points,

849
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 12: and be sure to subscribe to my news outlet, the

850
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 12: Real News Network with links in the description to this video.

851
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Speaker 12: See you soon for the next edition of the Art

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00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 12: of Class War. Take care of yourselves, take care of

853
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 12: each other, solidarity forever.

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Speaker 5: I vote, I vote.

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Speaker 15: Guys. Do you have opinions on third party candidates?

856
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Speaker 16: Sir?

857
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Speaker 15: Do you have opinions on third party?

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00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 17: Kid?

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00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 13: I don't like Republican or Democrat. The third party would

860
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 13: be nice, but there's no way in hell that they

861
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Speaker 13: would come close to winning.

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Speaker 15: Where are you guys from.

863
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 18: I'm pretty crazy Russia?

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Speaker 15: You too hate each other?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean like I love if we have no party,

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Speaker 5: but I'd still vote just like for the person instead

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Speaker 5: of feeling like you have to be like committed to

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Speaker 5: a Southern party so that people feel that. And then

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Speaker 5: they taught people who like even though they like their.

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Speaker 9: Party and probably hate their candidates.

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Speaker 15: You know what's your major finance? How did I know that?

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Speaker 15: It's the poll up. That's how I know.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes it tends to be too like biprecated, where it's

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Speaker 7: like Republican Democrat and then you pick one or the other.

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Speaker 7: I think we need more choices.

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Speaker 16: Usually, the way third parties are talked about in the

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Speaker 16: media usually look something like this and.

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Speaker 19: A head to head matchup between Trump and Briden.

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Speaker 10: They're tied the two candidates of forty four percent.

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Speaker 2: But when you add in Cornell West, Wow, he becomes

881
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Speaker 2: a spoiler.

882
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Speaker 3: Both sides are worried about the spoiler effect.

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Speaker 8: Predicts say it's a spoiler that could pull moderate votes

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Speaker 8: from President Biden.

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Speaker 19: But my suspicion was that that does not summarize how

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Speaker 19: most people feel about alternative candidates. Now, regardless of this

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Speaker 19: your map of the situation, because yes, of course, in

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Speaker 19: twenty twenty four, either a Republican or a Democrat is

889
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Speaker 19: going to win. But I think that most people share

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Speaker 19: a common frustration with the system and would probably be

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Speaker 19: more than happy to see the duopoly go away.

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Speaker 14: Do you have opinions on third party candidates? I feel

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Speaker 14: like you do well, but yeah, a little.

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Speaker 15: Bit, could I get them from you?

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Speaker 10: We're a mess. I don't know if we can fix it,

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Speaker 10: but but I don't take a third party's I don't

897
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Speaker 10: think that's the answer to it. The system may not

898
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Speaker 10: be perfect, but when you go to a third candidate,

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Speaker 10: you now have someone elected who has not been elected

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Speaker 10: by the majority of the public.

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Speaker 20: Even if it's a small percentage. But if if it's

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Speaker 20: a new thing, it's a if it's a different thing.

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Speaker 20: It's good to you know, give it space because what

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Speaker 20: if that's the next big thing, you know, you know

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Speaker 20: what I mean, or like it's it's something that actually

906
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Speaker 20: but in time more people are gonna resonate with. So

907
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Speaker 20: we have to give chance to the smaller opinions as well.

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Speaker 11: Should everyone have a fair shot because our two party

909
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Speaker 11: system leads to a lot of very segregated opinions that

910
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Speaker 11: rile up certain fan bases that people could divide us

911
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Speaker 11: versus just like actually having people who want good change.

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Speaker 18: Well, as a foreign person, I would say, it's when

913
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Speaker 18: you come back and the Russian person, which situation comes

914
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 18: is shitty, I say, it's very nice, just like this

915
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Speaker 18: system is very cool that it's like two parties are

916
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Speaker 18: kind of bottling within each other, so it gives like

917
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Speaker 18: you know, like in Russia they have one president for

918
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Speaker 18: like decades, like here you actually have to switch and

919
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Speaker 18: you have to change, and the third parties are also

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Speaker 18: the one who bring more change and who actually gives

921
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Speaker 18: more opinion to people. That is like not only on

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Speaker 18: the two different sides.

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Speaker 15: Do you think third party candidates are spoilers?

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Speaker 21: No, I think that anyone candidate like they're gonna get

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Speaker 21: their votes regardless. I think of a third party candidate

926
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Speaker 21: taking votes away from quote unquote your party, you're probably

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Speaker 21: just not doing a good enough job to get your

928
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 21: fan base to come to you.

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Speaker 15: They spoil racy. Yeah, they totally do.

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Speaker 13: Like I'm kind of hoping Trump runs is a third

931
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 13: party to destroy the Republican Party because they would get

932
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Speaker 13: dismantled if if he ran third party, or nobody ran

933
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 13: third party, they would shut down whatever side they kind

934
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Speaker 13: of lean with.

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Speaker 10: If you take Ross Burrow, I mean, that's what happened

936
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Speaker 10: to Bush basically pulled from that crowd. Now I'm not

937
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Speaker 10: saying the person went in that was bad. I'm just

938
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Speaker 10: saying that's what happened. But you know, maybe this sim

939
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Speaker 10: it's the best thing that could happen.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, in the sense where like there's one

941
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Speaker 7: person that you specifically do not want, you would have

942
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Speaker 7: to like allocate all the votes to like another thing

943
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Speaker 7: just to get that person to be like competitive. But like,

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Speaker 7: I think that is like a slippery slope. Though it

945
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Speaker 7: has like a trickle effect of like emphasizing just two people,

946
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Speaker 7: So it's kind of dangerous. That's why I think about it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, again, you know, there might be somebody has somebody

948
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Speaker 10: great to say, and then that would be nice to

949
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Speaker 10: have intelligent adults in there. I don't know. You know,

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Speaker 10: my gut feeling has always been two parties and have

951
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Speaker 10: a personal electric.

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Speaker 14: Do you feel like we we get enough information about

953
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Speaker 14: third parties in the media or no?

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Speaker 15: Not at all, Not at all.

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Speaker 13: In fact, I mean, how many people ran on the

956
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Speaker 13: presidential ticket in twenty twenty sixteen different parties and what

957
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Speaker 13: ninety eight percent of it went to the two Democrat

958
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Speaker 13: and Republican parties. So yeah, I mean I wish we

959
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Speaker 13: had more information about it.

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Speaker 15: Some kind of going and to our media is also required.

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Speaker 21: You can easily change the post of election by being

962
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Speaker 21: a bias media. If someone's you know, influencing the media,

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Speaker 21: that can you know, influence the election.

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Speaker 15: In a negato, I actually.

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Speaker 13: Don't wish we should we had parties at all. I

966
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 13: wish we voted on platforms. I don't think you should

967
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Speaker 13: have people involved at all. I think you should all

968
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Speaker 13: be about you vote for these platforms and then the

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00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 13: person who runs for office has a specific platform that

970
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Speaker 13: they line up with, and whatever platforms line up with

971
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Speaker 13: that candidate, that's a win. I don't even think we

972
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Speaker 13: should know their aims until the elections are over.

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Speaker 3: But no parties.

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Speaker 5: I want no parties, no parties, no part la, no labels.

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Speaker 5: People just go out and be like, he's my things.

976
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Speaker 5: And if you if you're with it, you're with it.

977
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Speaker 5: If you're not, you're not.

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Speaker 9: That's all I gott.

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Speaker 15: Have you ever voted third party?

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Speaker 13: We're from Utah and so it's gonna go Republican no

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Speaker 13: matter what.

982
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Speaker 15: But voting local in.

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Speaker 13: Utah matters, so third party they always lose. But yeah,

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Speaker 13: I mean I'm all about third party if it's the

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Speaker 13: right candidate.

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Speaker 15: Who did you vote for in twenty sixteen, Rry Johnson?

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Speaker 15: Yeah that's who I was. Yeah, he was the one

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Speaker 15: I aligned the most with.

989
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Speaker 13: And I mean Hillary was part of the system, and

990
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Speaker 13: I just not like I didn't I hated her.

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Speaker 20: I liked her more than Trump.

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Speaker 13: But it's just something about her because she was part

993
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Speaker 13: of the whole system that's already there.

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Speaker 6: That's why I feel.

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Speaker 13: Disconnected from everything, because yeah, I if I would say

996
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Speaker 13: I'm more, I don't.

997
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Speaker 15: I'm super independent.

998
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Speaker 13: I don't align with any party specifically, I lean Democrat,

999
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Speaker 13: but everything overall, I would say, I'm going to look

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Speaker 13: at the individual person.

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Speaker 14: If you couldn't have voted for Gary Johnson, would you

1002
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Speaker 14: have voted for Hillary or Trump?

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Speaker 15: For a probably, I mean it was down to the

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Speaker 15: two of them. I would have voted for Hillary. Let

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Speaker 15: me ask you a question.

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Speaker 14: If you decided to vote for let's say Fornell West

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Speaker 14: if he didn't run, would you then vote for Joe Biden?

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Speaker 15: Or would you just say.

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Speaker 17: Well, there's a Marianne I might vote for her. Her

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Speaker 17: talking points have been interesting to me. I mean, I'm

1011
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Speaker 17: still looking at the other candidates, like but you know,

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Speaker 17: if there's nobody that interests me and things that I'm

1013
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Speaker 17: passionate about or that affect other people and that affect

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Speaker 17: like real people, then I'm not really interested in voting

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Speaker 17: because then it's just like what does it mean?

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Speaker 15: And so there you have it.

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Speaker 16: Many people see a value in alternative candidates well beyond

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Speaker 16: how they may or may not get in the way

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Speaker 16: of the establishment's choices. So if you found this video interesting,

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