Speaker 1: Hey, hey, you don't forget all that. Let's get to
Speaker 1: talking because girl is about to get real. It's how
Speaker 1: you do a mandra.
Speaker 2: No time for intros. How are you well? Thank you
Speaker 2: for asking, Tiffany. I'm hanging in there. I am hanging
Speaker 2: in there. I am. All I can say is thank
Speaker 2: God for my child, who was the best to reprieve.
Speaker 2: I could have every couple hours just playing with him.
Speaker 2: But is it wrong to feel really excited? I think
Speaker 2: I've gone through my deep funk and I am on
Speaker 2: the other side and feeling a bit optimistic. Dare I
Speaker 2: say the word optimistic? I feel like the response to
Speaker 2: what's happened. First of all, a lot has happened to
Speaker 2: the last show that feels like we stopped recording, and
Speaker 2: the most exciting news story was the Central Park Karen
Speaker 2: and Amy Cooper's probably like thank you, which is so
Speaker 2: terrible because don't forget about her, because she's a hot
Speaker 2: mess and deserves all the you know, whatever she gets.
Speaker 2: But then this news broke, and doesn't it feel like
Speaker 2: in the last week this I don't think this would
Speaker 2: have happened if it hadn't been for the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 2: I don't think people would have been as connected to
Speaker 2: virtual world, like to social media and sitting around their
Speaker 2: houses with nothing better to do. And thank God in
Speaker 2: a way for this virus. I mean, it's so complicated,
Speaker 2: Like I'm kind of grateful that people have had all
Speaker 2: this free time to dig in and speak out and
Speaker 2: get galvanized around this this this social injustice and this
Speaker 2: moment in our history. But at the same time, I'm
Speaker 2: so I'm optimistic, but I'm also scared. I'm scared for
Speaker 2: people out there protesting. I don't want there to be
Speaker 2: another wave of the coronavirus. I am dealing with my
Speaker 2: own internal demons. I don't know if you guys know,
Speaker 2: but half my family is white, and I don't talk
Speaker 2: to very many of them anymore. And I've been distancing
Speaker 2: myself for years now, and I realize I am I
Speaker 2: complicit by distancing myself by not engaging with them when
Speaker 2: I have a seat at their table potentially, and I
Speaker 2: could be engaging with them. And so I've been slowly
Speaker 2: dipping my toe back into the family Facebook wars, which
Speaker 2: it's its own thing. But yeah, that's it. I'm coping.
Speaker 2: I feel optimistic, I'm scared I'm worried, but I'm hopeful.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? What's happening in your end of
Speaker 2: the your side of the world.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I've just been like so angry. I didn't know
Speaker 1: realize how much anger there was, you know, because I mean,
Speaker 1: things happen all the time, and honestly, as a black woman,
Speaker 1: like who was like, I guess you could call overtly black,
Speaker 1: Like you know, some people are like, oh, what I say, No,
Speaker 1: you don't wonder I'm black.
Speaker 2: No, let's acknowledge that you walking through the world is
Speaker 2: very different than me walking through the world company and
Speaker 2: I am not. I am not afraid to admit that
Speaker 2: at all. And that's another emotion I have tied up
Speaker 2: in this keep going though.
Speaker 1: And then I just it just hit me with rage, honestly,
Speaker 1: and I usually don't feel rage, but it was just
Speaker 1: like what the entire hell? Honestly, like what like I was,
Speaker 1: I've just been so angry. I'm not even gonna lie
Speaker 1: and I don't know where to place it, Like I
Speaker 1: can't sleep with it. It's just and to see folks reaction,
Speaker 1: who I mean, black folks already know they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: tif hey, you know I got you like I. But
Speaker 1: some of the reaction to some of the white folks
Speaker 1: that follow me not a bunch either. White people have
Speaker 1: been silent because they're like, yikes, we've never seen militant tiffty,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Cause you know I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: I want to. I already know. I'm very conscious. I
Speaker 1: grew up in an all white neighborhood. We literally, me
Speaker 1: and my best friend Ron were the only two black
Speaker 1: kids in the whole middle school. I'm talking about middle school,
Speaker 1: six seventh, eighth grade, okay, And so I'm very conscious,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I used to be super comfortable in
Speaker 1: all white spaces, well comfortable as much as you can be,
Speaker 1: just as someone who grew up in white spaces. So
Speaker 1: sometimes I know I have an air about me that
Speaker 1: makes me black safe. So I was conscious that I
Speaker 1: knew there were a lot of white women. I knew
Speaker 1: that following me. I know my core audience is black,
Speaker 1: but I've been doing a lot more white podcasts and things,
Speaker 1: and so I was getting just as influx. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to tell a story. I told the story about
Speaker 1: the neighbor so they could see that, Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: you claim that you think I'm so great, and it
Speaker 1: seems like I got it all together. Look what happened
Speaker 1: with this neighbor calling the police?
Speaker 2: Keith Ken? We're talking about Keith? Oh Ken? Okay, wait,
Speaker 2: I thought we called me.
Speaker 1: Probably name is Ken, and you know what, let's say
Speaker 1: his thing.
Speaker 2: Say in a whole different context, say his name. And
Speaker 2: for those who haven't listened, Tiffany, and you had your
Speaker 2: brother in law, right, Superman's twin brother had an altercation
Speaker 2: with the white male neighbor who was very offended that
Speaker 2: he dared to have to park his car near his dress.
Speaker 1: And so after kicking his car and threading him in
Speaker 1: the street and cursing him out and jumping up with
Speaker 1: his fists up, and my brother in law, who was
Speaker 1: six six and could have smashed him with like one fist,
Speaker 1: did nothing. It was like all right, man and walked inside,
Speaker 1: screamed to his partner, called the police, called the police,
Speaker 1: because what else do you do as someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: get a rise out of a black man. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this can't be, this can't be. We have to call
Speaker 1: the police. So I told that story and you know,
Speaker 1: on Instagram, and I'm gonna say it felt it was.
Speaker 1: I was flooded with so many women, white women who
Speaker 1: wrote out to me, you know, just expressing like I
Speaker 1: don't know what to say, but that's wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: and so and I did that because honestly, black folks
Speaker 1: already know that story's not for you. That's the least
Speaker 1: like that. That's a small I mean, there has been
Speaker 1: way worse that happen to most of the black folks
Speaker 1: I know. Like, if you are non black, and you
Speaker 1: are a non black man listening to this topic, ask
Speaker 1: any black man in your life, ask them about that
Speaker 1: one time with the police, that two times with the police.
Speaker 1: Literally every single black man in your life has a
Speaker 1: scary police story. Now that always pulled over and I
Speaker 1: got a ticket has a scary police story. Think about that.
Speaker 1: Every single black man in your life, I would centure
Speaker 1: to say, over the age of seventeen, has a scary
Speaker 1: police story. What other race can say that? Nobody? And
Speaker 1: so these were things were like building up in me.
Speaker 1: And then watching people's reaction to the looters, I call
Speaker 1: it rebellion. And when Kaepernick neil it was oh disrespect,
Speaker 1: when it was hey, this is not right, Well, you
Speaker 1: guys are too loud and now that they're burning stuff down,
Speaker 1: it's like, what else could you? What else is necessary?
Speaker 1: And then to really piss me up, I had posted
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King, who because everybody loves to lean back
Speaker 1: on Martin as if white folks didn't murder him, murder him, right,
Speaker 1: So I posted and where he said riot is the
Speaker 1: language of the unheard. Literally, someone's in the comments going,
Speaker 1: oh Martin, to believe that? Did you just see what
Speaker 1: this man said? I'm the video of literally Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King using the words from his mouth, and you know,
Speaker 1: what would Jesus say? And then I posted John two
Speaker 1: fifteen Jesus enters into the temple with whips and turns
Speaker 1: over the tables of the money exchangers because Jesus rioted
Speaker 1: because sometimes people don't hear, so they got to feel
Speaker 1: that's what Jesus did, and they were like, oh, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's just want to tell you the level of rage.
Speaker 1: I've been like really trying to because I know that
Speaker 1: there's no I don't want the anger to just spoil.
Speaker 1: So I've just been like meeting with my team and
Speaker 1: even just myself and asking, Okay, what proactively can I
Speaker 1: do other than donating and things like that. But for me,
Speaker 1: what can I do? And so there are some things
Speaker 1: I have in place, like I want to I want
Speaker 1: to mentor other black, brown and black business owners because
Speaker 1: we create a really safe space in our environment. And
Speaker 1: I know that so many people don't have safe spaces.
Speaker 1: So if more there were more brand and black business owners,
Speaker 1: they can hire more brand and black people so they
Speaker 1: can have safe spaces if they don't feel safe in
Speaker 1: corporate America, which so many people don't or don't feel
Speaker 1: fairly treated. So yeah, it's just honestly to say all
Speaker 1: I have to say. I've been mad as hell. I've
Speaker 1: been mad as hell.
Speaker 2: I'm soaking that in And the last thing that you
Speaker 2: said hit me, hit me hard. I didn't realize because
Speaker 2: for those of you who have listened to the show
Speaker 2: for a while, you know tiffany entrepreneur, runs her own business,
Speaker 2: built her own empire. Mandy Woodruff has been in the
Speaker 2: corporate world her Why am I talking about something the
Speaker 2: whole third person, just stop it. I worked for corporations
Speaker 2: like most of Americans for a long time. I have
Speaker 2: carved out this very unique space for myself at my
Speaker 2: company where I am the main hiring manager for my team.
Speaker 2: I'm the senior leader for my team, and that means
Speaker 2: I hire the people for my team. And I am
Speaker 2: proud and it's not an accident, and I'm not afraid
Speaker 2: to say that that I have one of the most
Speaker 2: racially diverse, ethnically diverse teams in our company, and a
Speaker 2: company that has acknowledged this. That is no secret. It's
Speaker 2: a public company. You can see for yourself. Above my level,
Speaker 2: almost everybody is a white man, and this is something
Speaker 2: that the company has acknowledged. My mentor, the man who
Speaker 2: hired me, is a white man, and I was speaking
Speaker 2: to someone I was told my mom earlier today something
Speaker 2: I hadn't never told her, which is that I don't
Speaker 2: know if I hadn't had that endorsement from my mentor
Speaker 2: this white man, if I would be where I am today.
Speaker 2: And I've been afraid to say that. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I also feel like that is the proof
Speaker 2: and the putting of the idea of allyship, the idea
Speaker 2: of being an ally because unfortunately, a woman of color
Speaker 2: walks into a room as I have been, and has
Speaker 2: been given a leadership role and his second guest at
Speaker 2: every turn for a long time. I got to skip
Speaker 2: go or whatever. I got a couple steps ahead of
Speaker 2: the game by having the endorsement of a white man
Speaker 2: who was respected. And it's a damn shame. It doesn't
Speaker 2: make me any less qualified for the work that I have,
Speaker 2: but it has fast tracked me to the scene I am.
Speaker 2: And I'm not afraid to admit that I've never spoken
Speaker 2: to this guy, to this man about it, but that
Speaker 2: is the story that I believe to be true. Now.
Speaker 2: When I showed up to work today, I thought about it.
Speaker 2: I have a team that is largely female, mostly white,
Speaker 2: but like I said, diverse. We have people who are black,
Speaker 2: we have Latinos on our team, we have anyway, just
Speaker 2: a wide variety of people. And I could not bring
Speaker 2: myself to show up to work today and not acknowledge
Speaker 2: it in some way. And we just happened to have
Speaker 2: our all team meeting on the first Monday of each month,
Speaker 2: and that happened to be this Monday. And I talked
Speaker 2: to my number two and I was like, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of doing a moment of silence, and I just wanted
Speaker 2: to get her. I felt like I needed her support.
Speaker 2: She's not black, but she's also a minority. She's a
Speaker 2: Pakistani and Muslim, and she's written about this. It's not
Speaker 2: a big secret. Anyway. I kind of felt like I
Speaker 2: needed her support because as a woman of color, I
Speaker 2: didn't realize this, but I am sometimes afraid to or
Speaker 2: as a way of protecting myselfs in those rooms where
Speaker 2: I'm the only one, you don't always want to bring
Speaker 2: up back that, Oh, by the way, remember me, I'm
Speaker 2: the brown one. You want people to just take you
Speaker 2: as you are, and by me acknowledging what's going on
Speaker 2: in our country right now, it was almost like reminding
Speaker 2: our team, Oh hey, hey, y'all, I'm Mandy and I'm
Speaker 2: black and I'm a woman. So anyway, she was like, yes,
Speaker 2: we should do that. At the top of my at
Speaker 2: the top of the meeting, I said, Okay, team, I
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge the fact that there are there's so
Speaker 2: much going on. We're in the middle of a pandemic.
Speaker 2: You guys have been killing it. We've been working business
Speaker 2: as usual, but I want you guys to know this
Speaker 2: is not business as usual, and especially what's been going
Speaker 2: on the past week with so much anger and frustration
Speaker 2: over social injustice in this country. I just want to
Speaker 2: acknowledge that it's happening, and I want to know that
Speaker 2: I don't expect you to come to work and pretend
Speaker 2: like you're not a human being. And so let's take
Speaker 2: a moment of silence, and you can turn off your video,
Speaker 2: which some people chose to turn off their video. And
Speaker 2: I saw some people praying, and I saw some people,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of just closing their eyes for a moment.
Speaker 2: And I'm so glad that I did it, But I
Speaker 2: also felt like I held back, Like I didn't say
Speaker 2: you guys, black lives matter. I didn't say George Floyd's name.
Speaker 2: I felt this like I still felt like I was
Speaker 2: censoring myself a little bit because I didn't want people
Speaker 2: to complain, Like I was a little worried that someone
Speaker 2: on my team might go above me and or to
Speaker 2: HR or something complain because you don't want to bring politics.
Speaker 2: Not that it's a political issue, it's a human rights issue, okay,
Speaker 2: but they might claim that there was some like political
Speaker 2: tone to what we're doing or what I was doing.
Speaker 2: And I was a little cognizant of that, and I've
Speaker 2: never done it before, so I was a little bit
Speaker 2: nervous but I did it.
Speaker 1: And but there's so much fear involved in sons, and
Speaker 1: like speaking, I'm not gonna lie, so like you know,
Speaker 1: worry that you'll lose people, yes, because even like I've
Speaker 1: been posting like heavily on the budget needst to page
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonnae. I hesitated at first, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, and they're gonna just say just stick
Speaker 1: to finance, Tiffany. And then I was like, yo, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: you could possibly have a black son the hell. Like
Speaker 1: I remember my dad coming home one day like enraged
Speaker 1: and so angry, and I'm like, what happened? He said
Speaker 1: he was in a car accident that this woman hit
Speaker 1: his car, so they both got out. She said she
Speaker 1: was so sorry. He said, no problem. They're exchanging like information.
Speaker 1: A police officer pulled up and said, what seems to
Speaker 1: be your problem, asked the woman. She okay? She said,
Speaker 1: oh yeah fine. He told my father why are you
Speaker 1: bothering her? And he was like, what we got to
Speaker 1: a cark? So he said, no, you're harassing this woman.
Speaker 1: And she even was like, no, I hit his car. Beout.
Speaker 1: He said no, no, don't worry and basically bullied my father
Speaker 1: to get back in the car, and my father did.
Speaker 1: And it just that's what I'm just saying, do you
Speaker 1: for those of you who are not, what is that
Speaker 1: life for you? I can remember in college, me and
Speaker 1: my friend downtown New Brunswick talking to these cute guys
Speaker 1: who were outside. We used to call the guys who
Speaker 1: lived in the town in New Brunswick Counties because New
Speaker 1: Brunswicks were Ruckers. It's a very college town, so these
Speaker 1: were townies so they lived there. We're like, ooh, they're cute.
Speaker 1: We're just outside talking and it probably was like eight
Speaker 1: o'clock at night. Police pull up. I'm not thinking anything
Speaker 1: of it because what I don't got none to worry
Speaker 1: about for the police. I didn't do anything. As soon
Speaker 1: as the police pull up, the guys stand up, go
Speaker 1: against the gate, leg spread, hands up, and I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: did they do Oh my god, they did something.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: The police apparently packed them down two or three times
Speaker 1: a day. That's the life that these people live. That's
Speaker 1: the life that these men live, that these boys live,
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, yo, I it's incredible to me
Speaker 1: that folks I get it, because if you don't, I
Speaker 1: get if you don't see it, you don't realize it.
Speaker 1: But it's a different world out here for other people. Yo.
Speaker 1: All my black male friends are scared. Every day they
Speaker 1: leave the house if the police pull up, are scared.
Speaker 1: I remember being in a car I hadn't pulled over before.
Speaker 1: You know, please sometimes talk a little crazy, but it's
Speaker 1: different even as a woman. I've been in a car
Speaker 1: with my three male friends and one of them makes it.
Speaker 1: I was like, ooh ooh, wrong turn, wrong term, he
Speaker 1: makes a youth turn. Wooooo the police car. I'm like, god, damn.
Speaker 1: I told my bad I'll pay for the ticket because
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get a ticket for this U turn.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we didn't get a ticket. We got pulled
Speaker 1: out of the car, the car got flipped and searched.
Speaker 1: And here I am talking like, yo, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You can't do that, and my friends are looking at
Speaker 1: me with terror. The three black men i'm with error
Speaker 1: like Tiffany, shut up. And I didn't get why, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, why should I shut up? This is not right,
Speaker 1: you know, like you can't do get it? And they
Speaker 1: were like but the look in their eye, I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are big dudes. The look in their eye
Speaker 1: was so scared. They look like two year olds that
Speaker 1: I just shut up. I shut up, you know, I
Speaker 1: stopped talking back to the police officer, tell him that
Speaker 1: he had no right to do that. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, why did you? Why did you? You know?
Speaker 1: When he finally were allowed to get back in the car,
Speaker 1: why did you? Oh, there was a robbery or something,
Speaker 1: he said, and I was like what. And when I
Speaker 1: got in a car, they were like, Tiffy, don't ever
Speaker 1: do that again. I'm like, yeah, but it's not right.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, but it's more important for that we
Speaker 1: get home safely. And I'm just like, yo, do you
Speaker 1: know what it is to live like that day in
Speaker 1: day out. That's how people treat you. And I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to just smile at work. I'm supposed to just pull
Speaker 1: myself up by the bootstraps whatever bullshit that people tell you. Honestly, Yo,
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, burn that shit down. I don't care. Oh, Anista,
Speaker 1: you condone violence? Are you kidding me? Racism is violence? Right? Oh?
Speaker 1: Slavery wasn't violent, y'all didn't loot every other country. It's violence.
Speaker 1: You're worried about Target. I haven't seen the people who
Speaker 1: have messages message me that they're so disappointed that I
Speaker 1: have no problem with with the rebellion, not the riot.
Speaker 1: With the rebellion. Those same people I look on their
Speaker 1: page and they're not once mentioning the death of someone.
Speaker 1: So you're worried about Target, but somebody died, Like I'm
Speaker 1: just like, yo, honestly, I'm all one. I'm like, anybody
Speaker 1: can get it. I been lightened asses up all week,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's just I'm over it.
Speaker 2: I'm laughing, but I'm also no like and you know what,
Speaker 2: you have every right to be over it. And I
Speaker 2: feel like it is the bubbling over of so many
Speaker 2: people who have lived what you just subscribed and haven't
Speaker 2: shared it because, like I said, sometimes it puts you
Speaker 2: at a disadvantage to acknowledge your blackness, to acknowledge that
Speaker 2: you have come into the world at a disadvantage purely
Speaker 2: by the skin tone that you were born with, which
Speaker 2: was not in your control. People don't want to hear
Speaker 2: that mess People don't want to hear or that something
Speaker 2: they had that they didn't you know, they just were,
Speaker 2: you know, born into gives them a privilege they want
Speaker 2: to believe the story they've told themselves, that they are special,
Speaker 2: that they are better, that we are weaker, that we
Speaker 2: are that we are less educated, and it's our fault.
Speaker 2: And when you share these stories, I'm so glad that
Speaker 2: it feels like we have a safe space to share
Speaker 2: them now in my little small way, which afterwards, I
Speaker 2: kind of was like, that was kind of a cop out.
Speaker 2: Why didn't I just say what I was talking about.
Speaker 2: I pointed people toward the charity platform that my company supports,
Speaker 2: where you match donations, and I knew that they had
Speaker 2: a fund a platform where you could literally you could
Speaker 2: donate specifically to funds they curated that support Black Lives
Speaker 2: Matter and social injustice movements, which was amazing. But I
Speaker 2: chose not to point that specifically out to my team
Speaker 2: because again, I just was I held back, so I
Speaker 2: put a foot forward, but I still feel like I
Speaker 2: could have gone a bit, I could have gone a
Speaker 2: bit harder. And what happened thirty minutes after that meeting
Speaker 2: is that we got an email from our CEO. His
Speaker 2: name is Doug Lepta, it's not a secret, and he
Speaker 2: emailed the entire company and it was a very heartfelt email,
Speaker 2: and the long and short of it is that he
Speaker 2: acknowledged that he acknowledged that he was a white man.
Speaker 2: He acknowledged the pain of our black employees at our company,
Speaker 2: and he gave us space to speak on it. And
Speaker 2: it's small things, creating a slack channel, talking about being open,
Speaker 2: but the fact that he wrote that email, and I'm
Speaker 2: sad to admit it, but I felt safe. I felt
Speaker 2: like no one can complain that I said what I
Speaker 2: said now because the CEO, a white man, has endorsed
Speaker 2: it and he has supported it, and he's given us
Speaker 2: permission to be angry, and that means something. And I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to say that you know our CEO, you
Speaker 2: know he has he you know he supported Republican causes
Speaker 2: in the past, and that's sometimes an issue with people
Speaker 2: with the company. Whatever he But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I give him credit because it does matter what white
Speaker 2: people in power do in the wake of this crisis.
Speaker 2: And what I feel, what I feel what's shifting right
Speaker 2: now is I'm hearing less from people of color and
Speaker 2: more from people who are white, and even friends of
Speaker 2: mine who are Asian like talking to their people, talking
Speaker 2: to their communities, and explaining the history and how they've
Speaker 2: benefited from the civil rights movement, And that's what we need.
Speaker 2: It needs to not be just our conversation. We need
Speaker 2: people who are not black to stand up and be
Speaker 2: enraged as well, because they should be. Any human should be.
Speaker 2: It's not their problem, our problem where the others we
Speaker 2: deserve it. Whatever, everyone should be enraged, and I at
Speaker 2: least feel heartened by that. That presents another issue, though,
Speaker 2: have you had what you said, like you had white
Speaker 2: followers who reached out to you. But the the other
Speaker 2: issue is, you know, and I've been posting on social too,
Speaker 2: just trying to like speakle what's on my heart. And
Speaker 2: what happens now is anyone who has a lot of
Speaker 2: white friends or has friends who are not black, or
Speaker 2: family or whatever. They come to you and they want
Speaker 2: to tell you about their black cousin or their black
Speaker 2: nephew and how they get it and how sorry they are,
Speaker 2: and they want to pour into you and they want
Speaker 2: to pour out how they feel, and they want to
Speaker 2: ask you what can I do? Can you talk to me?
Speaker 2: And there's a level of exhaustion with that, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to do the work for you. You
Speaker 2: fucking go educate yourself, and I'm going to share in
Speaker 2: the show notes. A couple of some people have taken
Speaker 2: it upon themselves to put together a publicly available list
Speaker 2: of resources documentaries, books, films, articles that any person, but
Speaker 2: mostly people who are not of color, should read, can
Speaker 2: read to educate themselves. Before you come to us and
Speaker 2: ask us to do the work, give you the girl notes,
Speaker 2: you know, spark notes, version of our history so that
Speaker 2: you understand the deeper issue. And that's the next It's
Speaker 2: like the rage, but then the exhaustion, and that's where
Speaker 2: you hear people of color, like black people, we're fucking tired,
Speaker 2: tired of having to be the ones on top of
Speaker 2: our shit to explain to you the larger issue, the
Speaker 2: fact that it's not just one man with the knee
Speaker 2: in his neck. It's about decades, decades of complicity, decades
Speaker 2: of law enforcement not being held accountable for treating some
Speaker 2: people differently than others. And beyond that, forget decades, we're
Speaker 2: talking about centuries of an entire race being being bloodied,
Speaker 2: being bruised, being treated unfairly. And it's exhausting, And listen,
Speaker 2: I'm not We're not a history teacher. We're not here
Speaker 2: to educate you. We need people who are willing to
Speaker 2: do that work for themselves and not put that burden
Speaker 2: on us. You know. Yeah, it's just and that's that's
Speaker 2: what I've kind of like been getting.
Speaker 1: I told myself that I was going to give myself, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a week to kind of rage on it,
Speaker 1: and then like this week, I really want to focus
Speaker 1: on solutions, you know. That's why I was telling my team.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I've been raging on Facebook and
Speaker 1: Instagram a week.
Speaker 2: I'm tired.
Speaker 1: I need a place to constructively put this energy. And so,
Speaker 1: like the teacher and me, like, whenever i'm like something
Speaker 1: goes wrong or bad, the only thing that sets things
Speaker 1: right with me is to be of service. It's literally
Speaker 1: the only thing. Like, so I'm just like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: can you do, Tiffany, How can you help? Who can
Speaker 1: you help? How can you serve? And so I'm just
Speaker 1: really like I'm creating like kind of like a three
Speaker 1: point plan for myself of ways to serve, you know,
Speaker 1: even more women, especially women of color, black women, creating
Speaker 1: a plan of how I can serve especially black women
Speaker 1: that have businesses So one of the things where I
Speaker 1: did my first today kind of with like a friend
Speaker 1: of ours, she mine, Oh you know her too, but
Speaker 1: she has a small business and she had some struggles
Speaker 1: with her team and trying to figure out, like, you know,
Speaker 1: how best to be a leader. And so every Monday
Speaker 1: I have a lead team call with with my lead
Speaker 1: team CFO, COO managers all of that, but really the
Speaker 1: Monday's just mental health checking Mondays. So I've spoken about
Speaker 1: before where I just check in. Like we talked a
Speaker 1: lot about you know, like cause we're a largely black team,
Speaker 1: so we talk like in black. I'm like, how y'all
Speaker 1: doing we you know, like we have not minceed any
Speaker 1: words about how we feel. People are telling us how
Speaker 1: they joined marches and anyways. So she joined us today,
Speaker 1: my business friend, and we were basically coaching her if
Speaker 1: she had a finance question. My COFO was here. You've
Speaker 1: got an organization oh question, My CEO is here. You've
Speaker 1: got a question about content, my content managers here, you
Speaker 1: got a question about about your online school, your online plub,
Speaker 1: my literature academy managers here, you got a question about
Speaker 1: leadership overall, I'm here. So it was just really it
Speaker 1: felt really good to pour into another business that it's
Speaker 1: on its way because because I posted this post that
Speaker 1: I thought was so potent on my ig. It was
Speaker 1: by this attorney named Takara, and Takara said that, you know,
Speaker 1: part of the reasons why you've heard the you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I meta you've heard like I think it
Speaker 1: was a New York Times that did that article that said, like,
Speaker 1: black women are the are the fastest growing population of
Speaker 1: business owners of entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2: It was like it was Forbes, Yeahbes, Yeah, of course, yeah,
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and so.
Speaker 1: So to Car wrote that part of the reason why
Speaker 1: there's such a surch in black owned businesses and black
Speaker 1: women being the number one group of rising entrepreneurs is
Speaker 1: the blatant bias and racism we experience in corporate America.
Speaker 1: Your best talent is leaving in droves because you won't
Speaker 1: kill the cancer of racism in your leadership. You won't
Speaker 1: give us raises due to pettiness and gossip. We worked
Speaker 1: twice as hard to get half the pay, but outwork
Speaker 1: and outwit almost everyone. Economic freedom is one of the
Speaker 1: ways that we're going to get free and financial boycott
Speaker 1: move the white populace's hand. When the kettle of racial
Speaker 1: injustice broiled over in Martin's day, Remember he marched and
Speaker 1: that's basically shut down that bus, that bus company that
Speaker 1: was racist to black folks. Right, so she writes, people
Speaker 1: claim that our needing and seeking out black owned institutions
Speaker 1: to support is racist. It's not its survival. Your coaching
Speaker 1: programs want black money, but do not want black pain
Speaker 1: and black problems. You do not realize it's your problem too.
Speaker 1: We see you. We are tired. We demand more than
Speaker 1: you're telling us to wait for justice. Your status is
Speaker 1: of This is not the way fall on deaf ears
Speaker 1: after seeing so much death, Once you feel the knee
Speaker 1: of the black dollar on your neck, you will cry
Speaker 1: out and gas for air. That's the only way, folks, listen.
Speaker 1: It is the only thing that moves governments and societies
Speaker 1: as a whole, the almighty dollar. I can attest to
Speaker 1: ninety percent of my team are black women, and they
Speaker 1: are almost all of them corporate refugees, people who have
Speaker 1: fled corporate America because of the abuse, the mistreatment, the
Speaker 1: overlooking of their skills and talent. And they've come here, weary, abused,
Speaker 1: and scared at first. It takes them a few months
Speaker 1: to realize it's real here, that we do care about
Speaker 1: what you think and say. You are in charge here,
Speaker 1: you have autonomy. Here, I trust that you know what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I don't double check and nitpick that you
Speaker 1: run this company. Here, that we actually serve women that
Speaker 1: look like you with integrity and kindness, it's real and
Speaker 1: it takes the months to acclimate to that. And honestly,
Speaker 1: it's the loss of corporate America. Racism means you lose too,
Speaker 1: because these amazing women that literally were pushed out, you know,
Speaker 1: or dragged out of their past positions have helped me
Speaker 1: to grow a seven figure a month a month company.
Speaker 1: So think about that, this small but mighty team. How
Speaker 1: is it that in four years, like one of the
Speaker 1: company that makes its eight figures a year, we've done
Speaker 1: that in four years with the team of women were
Speaker 1: there're places where they were before folks told them that
Speaker 1: they weren't quite good enough. What a loss for them,
Speaker 1: But honestly, they're not deserving of these amazing women. And
Speaker 1: it just like a light bulb went on and something said,
Speaker 1: I want to help other folks like me to create
Speaker 1: environments for us, because when I posted that on Takar's
Speaker 1: message on Instagram, what really instantly hurt me and hit
Speaker 1: me was the messages of so many women who are like,
Speaker 1: I'm stuck in a place like that. Now they're basically
Speaker 1: choking me, like I'm dying here, Like so many women,
Speaker 1: I just randomly quit. I couldn't take it anymore. Someone
Speaker 1: was like, you know, are you hiring? I would love
Speaker 1: to come work for you. And I wish I had
Speaker 1: a billion dollars so I could scoop up all the
Speaker 1: all the sisters that needed. But I thought, well, I
Speaker 1: don't need to. What if I could help other people
Speaker 1: to be financially successful enough and to help them create
Speaker 1: environments for folks like us, a safe space to grow,
Speaker 1: learn and to love working. And so that's what I've
Speaker 1: committed myself to do, is we're going to figure or
Speaker 1: what that kind of mentorship looks like. So, you know,
Speaker 1: because I want to be I just I don't want
Speaker 1: to just be angry. You know, I don't mind the anger,
Speaker 1: but I want to I want to filter it towards solutions.
Speaker 1: And that's definitely one of the ones I've been thinking about.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't. I don't know how to. Also,
Speaker 1: people are going to ask hipy oh girl, do me
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, honestly, I haven't figured out what
Speaker 1: that program looks like. But I need something. I need solutions.
Speaker 1: I don't like I said, I don't want to just
Speaker 1: be angry.
Speaker 2: You need the liverag or challenge for businesses. What you
Speaker 2: need and you'll do it. And Tiffany, what you've done
Speaker 2: and what you've built, You've already done so much. You
Speaker 2: have you are putting food on the table for the
Speaker 2: families of black women who can go to work and
Speaker 2: not feel like they need to hide who they are,
Speaker 2: like me often, and who don't feel when they come
Speaker 2: to work they have to pretend like things aren't bothering them,
Speaker 2: that's happening, or like that means so much. And for me,
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to be a refugee from
Speaker 2: the corporate world anytime soon. And for me, and for
Speaker 2: people I would say who have risen to a level
Speaker 2: of leadership in corporate America feel this. I feel this
Speaker 2: responsibility with the position I am in. Somehow I got here?
Speaker 2: Who cares? How?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 2: In part it was because I was endorsed by a
Speaker 2: respect in why man, who I love a lot. He's amazing.
Speaker 2: But I'm in this position and I feel a responsibility
Speaker 2: to be the budgetista in my company, and I feel
Speaker 2: my responsibility now. I'm not naive. Do I think I'll
Speaker 2: be here forever? Probably not. I know I'm talented, I
Speaker 2: have other ambitions. But I want to say, and not
Speaker 2: to be corny, but you hear that Beyonce song, I
Speaker 2: was here. I want to be able to say I
Speaker 2: was here and what I did mattered and I made
Speaker 2: an impact and I don't feel like I can leave
Speaker 2: until I have done that. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I did have to come to work today, which your
Speaker 2: employees did not have to do, and check myself before
Speaker 2: I acknowledge what's happening in the world and get I
Speaker 2: felt like I needed buy in from someone else on
Speaker 2: my team, and I did it. But then, of course
Speaker 2: to have the CEO's support that meant something as well.
Speaker 2: But I say all this to say that for those
Speaker 2: of you who are working for companies, I think now
Speaker 2: it is a time for you to stand up and
Speaker 2: speak to your colleagues. It seems like something has shifted
Speaker 2: in the way that people are being open to hearing
Speaker 2: from us right now. So use this opportunity. Speak up,
Speaker 2: use your voice, you know, use it to your advantage.
Speaker 2: Ask for the recognition that you deserve. Bring up the
Speaker 2: fact that, well, okay, this is what's happening in the
Speaker 2: larger world, but what's happening in our company is that
Speaker 2: we I've noticed in what position you have that there
Speaker 2: is pay inequity along racial lines. Like use whatever platform
Speaker 2: you have to create change in your small pocket, wherever
Speaker 2: you fall on the corporate ladder, because I know so
Speaker 2: many of you guys are out there, and I can't
Speaker 2: wait till the world is filled, full fold filled with
Speaker 2: budget needs to inks, and I feel like we can
Speaker 2: definitely get there, but we need Unfortunately, the reality is
Speaker 2: that we need non black business leaders because they are
Speaker 2: the majority to feel our pain and hear us and
Speaker 2: think that our cause is worthwhile. And I sincerely hope
Speaker 2: that you know those this does not end here, and
Speaker 2: I hope that it continues and we have to hold
Speaker 2: our business leaders accountable. Ask those questions at your town halls.
Speaker 2: Send the anonymous you know notes to your your companies.
Speaker 2: You know they always have these like comment boxes or
Speaker 2: whatever ask the tough questions, acknowledge that there's inequities, and
Speaker 2: hold your leaders accountable because if you were afraid to
Speaker 2: do it before, I think now there is something shifting
Speaker 2: and there is an opportunity for you to do it now.
Speaker 2: I'm exhausted now, but I uh, yeah, I that's all.
Speaker 2: I that's all. I that's all.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's a lot, yeah, And I just I'm
Speaker 1: just glad that there's a place to like express that here.
Speaker 1: And you guys, like, you know, come along with the
Speaker 1: r for.
Speaker 2: Brown ambition, Thank God, because what if bron ambition mean
Speaker 2: like this is it? It's the fact that brown ambition
Speaker 2: is different. You need to want it even more. You
Speaker 2: need to fight for it even more. You need to
Speaker 2: have bigger balls than everybody else, because you have to
Speaker 2: go in there thinking with the Just today, I was
Speaker 2: talking to someone on my team and I was like,
Speaker 2: we were talking about tackling a new project that neither
Speaker 2: of us had much experience in, and I was like, listen, today,
Speaker 2: my name is Mark and your name is Ian and
Speaker 2: we are going to approach this project with the confidence
Speaker 2: of a mediocre white man. Because the mediocre white man
Speaker 2: has never been told or has no one assuming that
Speaker 2: they're not good at something. So let's just pretend today
Speaker 2: that we're that person. I'll be Mark, you be Ian,
Speaker 2: and we're going to kill this because you know what, dude,
Speaker 2: we can do it, you know. And it's sad, but
Speaker 2: it's true. And yeah, I just feel I something shifting.
Speaker 2: I support the anger, fuck the looters, like I don't
Speaker 2: support anyone burning out businesses. That it's unnecessary and it's
Speaker 2: heartbreaking to see that, but like we can't get distracted
Speaker 2: by that. People are always gonna commit crimes. Forget about looting.
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of people, all races right now.
Speaker 1: There's so many folks that have infiltrated pretending to be
Speaker 1: yet I've seen that over and over. They're like, you
Speaker 1: know that so many folks, And it happened in Ferguson,
Speaker 1: but people were ignoring it and like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I guess it wasn't as much video proof. But now
Speaker 1: we're seeing video at the video after video where we're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's not brown folks looting, that's not
Speaker 1: brown folks walking out, you know. And it's so crazy
Speaker 1: because there was a woman who was calmly walking out
Speaker 1: of I forget what it was, what store it was,
Speaker 1: like Gucci or whatever, with all the stuff in her hand,
Speaker 1: and the news anchor while she's talking about the other
Speaker 1: looters saying, oh my goodness, here's a woman come up.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's an employee, of course, because she's a white woman,
Speaker 1: so she can't possibly be looting. Imagine maybe she's an
Speaker 1: employee walking through the glass and the rubble with clothes
Speaker 1: on her hand, leaving. So it's just I'm here's the thing,
Speaker 1: like I I I don't care about that. I don't
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't know what it's like to,
Speaker 1: you know, have a storefront and for it to be
Speaker 1: broken into. But I assume that's what insurance is for.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, he'll be fine, exactly. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing that I think that as much as everyone's saying,
Speaker 1: it's like I have my my three my four year
Speaker 1: old nephew, Roman nephew was over yesterday and he was
Speaker 1: trying to get my attention, but I didn't notice. So
Speaker 1: he said, Auntie, Auntie, Auntie. I didn't hear him. I
Speaker 1: was talking to my sister Auntie. Next thing I know,
Speaker 1: Roman goes to the table and pushes my pushes something
Speaker 1: like I had like my phone on the ground and
Speaker 1: I look, I'm like, Robert, what are you doing? He said, Auntie,
Speaker 1: I was asking you. That's what people do. You ignore,
Speaker 1: you ignore, you ignore, then you'll feel. And so that's
Speaker 1: where we are now that folks have spoken, they have Neil,
Speaker 1: they have Marsh, they have done all the things. The
Speaker 1: only reason why the world is listening now is because
Speaker 1: the world is burning. And so I am like you know.
Speaker 3: And it had to burn again and again and again,
Speaker 3: and it took so many George Floyd's and it's happening
Speaker 3: every day off camera. Yes, and that's it's any depressing thing, exactly.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I wanted to share really quick something and I
Speaker 2: wanted to make this point because it's so important. We
Speaker 2: just got an absentee ballot for our local elections this summer,
Speaker 2: and I want to say is this is a quote
Speaker 2: from Barack Obama's email that he sent out, his statement
Speaker 2: that he made in response to what's going on right now.
Speaker 2: And I want people to get this because this is
Speaker 2: why it matters, not forget who the president is. Yes
Speaker 2: it matters, Yes we must vote in November, but it
Speaker 2: is the smaller elections that truly matter, So, as Obama says,
Speaker 2: it's mayors and county executives that appoint most police chiefs
Speaker 2: and negotiate collective bargaining agreements with police unions. It's district
Speaker 2: attorneys and states attorneys that decide whether or not to
Speaker 2: investigate and ultimately charge those involved in police misconduct. Those
Speaker 2: who are those are all elected positions. In some places,
Speaker 2: police review boards with the power to monitor police conduct
Speaker 2: are elected as well. But unfortunately, voter turnout in these
Speaker 2: local races is usually pitifully low, especially among young people,
Speaker 2: which makes no sense given the direct impact these offices
Speaker 2: have on social justice issues, not to mention the fact
Speaker 2: that who wins and who loses those seats is often
Speaker 2: determined by just a few thousand or even a few
Speaker 2: hundred votes. You guys have got This is the end
Speaker 2: of the quote, y'all. This is me saying this is
Speaker 2: maybe y'all have got to vote in the non headline
Speaker 2: elections because that shit matters, and I can't. We need
Speaker 2: to make sure that people understand that in our communities,
Speaker 2: especially young people. That's where we can start shifting things.
Speaker 2: You don't have to run for president, run for your
Speaker 2: local city government that matters, that impacts people's lives locally
Speaker 2: where you are exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think that we need basically yeah, because you're right,
Speaker 1: it's the local election and that's what folks are counting on,
Speaker 1: that people won't be oh where during those times. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm just tired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you guys have information to be tired. We're
Speaker 2: tired af but we're here and I'm so glad to
Speaker 2: be doing this podcast with you. We couldn't. We need
Speaker 2: to be here. We need to make people. We need
Speaker 2: to share our experiences with people because they're having the
Speaker 2: same experiences themselves. And you guys have been sending notes
Speaker 2: to Brand Ambition and to me on my ig account.
Speaker 2: Continue sending us notes, send us emails. We're going to
Speaker 2: take a couple of questions in the next segment of
Speaker 2: the show, as we always do, we want to hear
Speaker 2: from you guys. We want to hear what you're experiencing.
Speaker 2: What is it like for you at work today, What
Speaker 2: is it like for you in your small business? What's happening.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like things are shifting? How are you
Speaker 2: feeling feel like we're a safe space for you? To
Speaker 2: come to I certainly feel that way. I may not have,
Speaker 2: you know, I may not have the support that people
Speaker 2: on the budgets this team have at my job every day,
Speaker 2: but I know I can come to you each week
Speaker 2: Monday or Tuesday or whenever we decide to record, and
Speaker 2: I'll have someone who understands what I'm going through and
Speaker 2: that that means something. Should we just end the show there,
Speaker 2: Let's take questions. That's what I come from. When I'm
Speaker 2: saying I'm excited, it's just like, okay, finally, it's almost like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit back and let the white people debate.
Speaker 2: How you know terrible? This is like, y'all got it?
Speaker 2: You know, educate yourselves is cool. Everyone else should be talking.
Speaker 2: All right, but let's take a couple of questions. We'll
Speaker 2: take a quick break and be right back with questions.
Speaker 2: All right, y'all, we are back again. You can shoot
Speaker 2: us your questions on Instagram. Our Instagram handle is brand Ambition.
Speaker 2: You can also hit us up on email at broad
Speaker 2: Ambition Podcast at gmail dot com dot com. All right,
Speaker 2: so this is actually a good question. This comes from
Speaker 2: a listener from Instagram, and when I saw this question.
Speaker 2: I immediately responded and I said, yes, we will take
Speaker 2: your question. She She says, Hey, Madian Tiffany, I love
Speaker 2: the podcast and Kate wait to listen every Wednesday. I
Speaker 2: have a question and would like to remain anonymous. I'm
Speaker 2: currently in an interim role at work and just interviewed
Speaker 2: for a permanent position. I work at a university and
Speaker 2: budgets have been shrinking. Even still, my predecessor earned twenty
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars more than I am, and they had
Speaker 2: a doctorate which I'm in the process of finishing. Do
Speaker 2: you think, if offered the position, it's wise to negotiate
Speaker 2: in the middle of a pandemic or should I just
Speaker 2: be grateful and take what's offered? Can you guess what
Speaker 2: we're going to say to you? I had good question,
Speaker 2: right right right. Don't let a pandemic get in your way.
Speaker 2: It's not They're going to find a vaccine. It's going
Speaker 2: to be okay. And also, you know what's hard, it's
Speaker 2: hard to ask for more during a pandemic as an employee.
Speaker 2: It's also hard to hire during a pandemic, okay, because
Speaker 2: not like companies are either. If you're not laying off
Speaker 2: people you may be in the middle of a hiring freeze,
Speaker 2: which means if you have someone who is eager and
Speaker 2: talented like yourself at this job, you're not going to
Speaker 2: want to lose you that person because you may not
Speaker 2: be able to rehire that position. So you have more
Speaker 2: power than you might think than you do. And one
Speaker 2: thousand percent, I think you should negotiate forget the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I absolutely agree that negotiating what you're worth
Speaker 1: is because I think many you said it in a
Speaker 1: podcast earlier that it's not just this time, that it's
Speaker 1: going to set the stage for when you get paid
Speaker 1: the time after, the time after, the time after. You
Speaker 1: know that you know that you're Typically salaries are built
Speaker 1: upon like the salaries from before. So if you don't
Speaker 1: get if you don't get your twenty five thousand, then
Speaker 1: you know next time. Let's just say, as a woman,
Speaker 1: you're already getting less anyway, and it's five thousand less,
Speaker 1: it's really not five thousand less, it's thirty thousand dollars less.
Speaker 1: It's a compounding problem. So going for what you're worth,
Speaker 1: people are always going to try to give you less.
Speaker 1: I am actually kind of like I we were talking
Speaker 1: about this earlier Mayda about like how I kind of
Speaker 1: blew the lid up. Well, I didn't even tell you
Speaker 1: I blew the liddle off. I was just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna blow the little fin Con.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of it. The founder of fincinn posted some
Speaker 1: really insensitive tweets, and I think, you know what, because
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, you know, don't crucify.
Speaker 2: Him for these few me tell the folks for fin
Speaker 2: con is if they're not familiar.
Speaker 1: So it's just a it's a big financial educator's conference.
Speaker 1: That's actually where me and manager met. Well no, well
Speaker 1: we met kind of just because you did a story
Speaker 1: on me, but in person, right, But in person we went.
Speaker 1: It was the Finncon in New Orleans. It was like
Speaker 1: such a beautiful city anyway. So yeah, so big financial conference,
Speaker 1: lots of literally thousands of people go. It's actually a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. But I started to notice some changes
Speaker 1: I didn't really like. The founder is a big, huge
Speaker 1: supporter of Heisha who shall not be named it's forty five,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, okay, but some of the things that
Speaker 1: he would tweet, because I'm you know, I'm an elevate
Speaker 1: which is a brown inclusive group for financial educator. So
Speaker 1: there's a there's a fincon Facebook group which I'm a
Speaker 1: part of, but then there's this brown Brown Elevate group
Speaker 1: that I'm also proud of. So basically it's everyone non
Speaker 1: white male in that group. That's when we have Asian folks,
Speaker 1: we have Spanish folks. It's great. And so we would
Speaker 1: share those tweets and be like, yeah, this makes me
Speaker 1: really uncofortable, and people would share stories, but every everything
Speaker 1: was always hush hush. But someone from the group, Tasha,
Speaker 1: who I don't know, she's got like balls of steel,
Speaker 1: posted some of his tweets today in the FINCN group
Speaker 1: and said, let's discuss this ain't okay. And so it
Speaker 1: was the leaded and she said, ha ha, actually I
Speaker 1: think my post was deleted. Let's discuss this ain't okay.
Speaker 1: And so people started to talk about it in the
Speaker 1: comments and then story started to come out of previous
Speaker 1: bad behavior and I wasn't gonna say anything, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: why are you not saying something, Tiffany. Why is it
Speaker 1: that we always get to be quiet? So I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, earlier this year or like late last year,
Speaker 1: I was asked to do a keynote for fin Con.
Speaker 1: I mentioned this before, but I didn't say it was
Speaker 1: fin Con because I guess. I don't know. If I
Speaker 1: was afraid, I don't know. I just didn't feel like
Speaker 1: the smoke. But I want the smoke now. And I
Speaker 1: was offered two hundred. Oh no, I was offered twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred, which is egregiously low. So much so like literally,
Speaker 1: churches pay me more. They will take a collection and
Speaker 1: pay more, and especially knowing that other other white men
Speaker 1: from years ago were paid up to fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred for Tiffany, fifty thousand for a white man,
Speaker 1: And we are you talking to me about? So I
Speaker 1: reached out to you, Manny, Yes we did. I was like, Pandy,
Speaker 1: can you find out what other folks? So I reached
Speaker 1: out to everyone to find out what other folks were paid,
Speaker 1: just so to see if I'm my bucket. And people
Speaker 1: were like, literally, I got a list from someone who
Speaker 1: was like this person twenty thousand, this present thirty, this
Speaker 1: person fifty, this person forty, and then Tiffany twenty five.
Speaker 1: And there was another sister who spoke at fin con
Speaker 1: and I said, let me reach out to her keynote,
Speaker 1: let me reach out to her. She was paid thirty
Speaker 1: five hundred. So there's a clear pattern here. And so
Speaker 1: I posted it in that thread and then I posted
Speaker 1: on Twitter and it's probably went viral and yeah, and
Speaker 1: then instead of saying oops, my bad, he came back
Speaker 1: and doubled down. It was like, actually, that's not the deal.
Speaker 1: We approached Tiffany with. We said we would buy a thousand,
Speaker 1: two thousand of her new books Happy Birthday Molly Moore
Speaker 1: for three thousand and fifty cents. Meanwhile, me and I
Speaker 1: told him it cost me five dollars just to print
Speaker 1: the book. So you offer so I can lose two
Speaker 1: dollars in every book? I'm sorry, how is that? And
Speaker 1: he was like, that's seven thousand dollars right there, oh,
Speaker 1: seven thousand that you give me, while I come at
Speaker 1: five thousand out of my pocket. Got it? And then
Speaker 1: thank you pay and that he offered that. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, before he gave me his number,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I could totally bring three
Speaker 1: hundred Dream Catchers to fin Conn. They would love to come,
Speaker 1: and you know they would pay. And he was like, oh, okay, great,
Speaker 1: we will. Finn Conn in general has a affiliate program
Speaker 1: you bring like a certain group of people you get
Speaker 1: basically you earn some of the money that was given
Speaker 1: to fin Con, and he put it in this offer
Speaker 1: that that would be some of my money. So he's
Speaker 1: telling me my pay is going to come from the
Speaker 1: money I give him. So I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars and you gonna give me back twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred? What in the and the fact what was
Speaker 1: so crazy to me is that he shared a screenshot
Speaker 1: of the email he sent like, oh no, we didn't
Speaker 1: just offer tifany twenty five hundred. We offered her even
Speaker 1: these work. I had not I would say, I'm not
Speaker 1: evn gonna fully play him. I had not even shared
Speaker 1: the full egregiousness of the offer, but he shared it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, do you even see how crazy
Speaker 1: this is? And you still have yet to address what
Speaker 1: were other people paid. So someone was like, so she
Speaker 1: was right, you offered her twenty five hundred dollars. You
Speaker 1: on top of that, you offered her for her to
Speaker 1: have a loss on the books that you were going
Speaker 1: to quote unquote buying and then on top of that,
Speaker 1: you also offered her to a piece of her And
Speaker 1: I told him distinctly, like me, bringing my audience doesn't
Speaker 1: benefit me, it benefits your bottom line and your full diversity,
Speaker 1: like because you know my artist is going to be
Speaker 1: largely black women that come. And so someone just actually
Speaker 1: messaged me today, another woman, another woman of color, was like, girl,
Speaker 1: you better than me. He offered you twenty five hundred
Speaker 1: years ago. He offered me a Starbucks card and some
Speaker 1: and some book sales. I'm like, no, he didn't. Not
Speaker 1: a Starbucks card, not a Star Wars card. Can you imagine?
Speaker 1: So the lid is being blown off, and I mean
Speaker 1: it's time and so many women like literally messages me
Speaker 1: like I have stories too, and I'm afraid to say,
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to speak up for myself and even I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, even with my platform now I feel
Speaker 1: I was nervous to say, and I was like, well, Tifny,
Speaker 1: what can he do to you? Like, I mean, is
Speaker 1: he gonna tell Dreamcatchers on follow Tiffany? But still there's
Speaker 1: a nervousness about standing up for yourself. And I to
Speaker 1: bring it back to the question, asked that if we
Speaker 1: don't stand up for ourselves. Then who then when you
Speaker 1: know that had maybe someone said something earlier, wouldn't have
Speaker 1: happened to me, And had maybe I not maybe, had
Speaker 1: maybe I said something earlier, I wouldn't have had it
Speaker 1: happen to someone else. And it's like, I just don't
Speaker 1: want to be afraid to say when something is wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I mean sometimes it is hard,
Speaker 1: But I want us to practice as women, as brown
Speaker 1: ambition folks, to stand up and say we deserve this,
Speaker 1: and to say when something thing is wrong, because enough
Speaker 1: is enough already.
Speaker 2: And also it's unfortunate, but in this position you you
Speaker 2: were in, it's fortunate that you were in a position
Speaker 2: to be able to turn down such an offer and
Speaker 2: expose it for what it is, so that the next
Speaker 2: person who comes behind you. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 2: they will be ginning people behind you because of what's
Speaker 2: happened on Twitter. I've caught up since you told me
Speaker 2: about it. Now, I who knows, we'll come after you,
Speaker 2: But at least it'll make the runners of this conference
Speaker 2: think twice before they try and short change somebody who's
Speaker 2: worth so much more and try to make assumptions about someone.
Speaker 2: You have to know your own value and sometimes it
Speaker 2: is hard. You have to like, you have to do
Speaker 2: the power pose, you have to talk, you have to
Speaker 2: prot you know, to right, I give myself the white
Speaker 2: man name. I'm like today I'm gonna be Mark and
Speaker 2: I'm going to go in. I'm going to destroy this
Speaker 2: bro because like we can do it. You need to
Speaker 2: pack yourself up in that way because unfortunately, what society
Speaker 2: has told us is that oh, you're a woman, you're
Speaker 2: a person of color. You know, things aren't there's not
Speaker 2: it's not unfairness out there. It's just that they're better
Speaker 2: than you and you're just not as talented. And that's
Speaker 2: not fucking true. It's a lie. It's a lie that
Speaker 2: we've been sold to justify the success of other people
Speaker 2: for doing less work because they are privilege in ways
Speaker 2: that were not. And I'm glad that you spoke up.
Speaker 2: And that's just another reason why. Yes, this is pain
Speaker 2: and it's heartbreaking that a man had to be stolen
Speaker 2: from his family and God, I pray that the people
Speaker 2: who were responsible, including the man who held his need
Speaker 2: to that to George Floyd's neck, I hope I pray
Speaker 2: that they are held accountable. But at the same time, Ugh,
Speaker 2: so many people have had to perish, and I just
Speaker 2: hope that their deaths are not in vain and we
Speaker 2: really finally start to see some change. Like dear God,
Speaker 2: we need we need meaningful results from this. We need
Speaker 2: those lives to matter. They do matter, but we need
Speaker 2: them to matter in their deaths as well. And I hope,
Speaker 2: and you may it's a small you know, a small win,
Speaker 2: but I just hope that in some way, by encouraging
Speaker 2: people like you, Tiffany, to speak out about how you've
Speaker 2: been impacted in the world and other people, that we
Speaker 2: will see some real, some real progress. There needs to
Speaker 2: be an acknowledgment that the starting line is not the same.
Speaker 2: It's not it is not the same. Fuck your bootstraps.
Speaker 2: You have gold bootstraps if you're born into this world,
Speaker 2: white and male, Okay, and it's it gets less the
Speaker 2: bootstraps get less nice from there. Okay, I don't even
Speaker 2: know what a bootstrap is. I'm just taking this, you know,
Speaker 2: it's on American terminology and just trying to you know.
Speaker 1: What, just it. What's so frustrating is that And because
Speaker 1: like I said, I honestly didn't want to say, but
Speaker 1: I said, Tiffany, you are you are in a position
Speaker 1: of privilege honestly when it comes to this, that like,
Speaker 1: there's very little that can be done to you, at
Speaker 1: least from him, because I mean what he could tell
Speaker 1: a brand, Hey, brands, if you want to work with me,
Speaker 1: don't work with Tiffany. I'm good. I actually make literally
Speaker 1: ninety percent of my money from the people that I serve.
Speaker 1: And I did that on purpose. I was very conscious
Speaker 1: when I started the Budgetissa that I didn't want. I
Speaker 1: wanted that I earned my money from my from the
Speaker 1: very community that I promised to serve, and that if
Speaker 1: the only way I can mess that up is to
Speaker 1: not be a good steward of my service, and then
Speaker 1: I would deserve to lose dreamcatchers not following me or
Speaker 1: not not you know, not not patronizing my business. I
Speaker 1: would deserve that. So I really had to run through it.
Speaker 1: Like Tiffany, everyone can't say, girl, but you can say,
Speaker 1: because what's what's he gonna do. He's gonna call own
Speaker 1: and be like, saw you had a Tiffany on own?
Speaker 1: Don't do that no more like you on black ball me.
Speaker 1: I'm black already, Like there's no. And honestly, when I
Speaker 1: looked at the thread of everyone that he reached out
Speaker 1: to about, like you know, basically he was like kind
Speaker 1: of like battling against everyone and it was like, hey,
Speaker 1: tiff would love, would love to chat with you. Hey,
Speaker 1: tif The tone totally changed, and I know why because
Speaker 1: he's like, yikes, she's not the one, the two, or
Speaker 1: the three, because Tiffany, there's bullying that can really happen here.
Speaker 1: Not really, Like I said, even if he kicks me out,
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to Fankard. It's a rap for that,
Speaker 1: and so you know, but I just thought, like, Timmy,
Speaker 1: this is why you have to say something. And this
Speaker 1: is what with everyone in positions of privilege, it's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be easy. That's why I told myself. I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're scared, you're nervous, you don't want to smoke today,
Speaker 1: you feel like you don't want to get in the mix. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's exactly how you're supposed to feel. And you're supposed
Speaker 1: to do it anyway because if you don't, there are
Speaker 1: people whose platforms are not as big that that genuinely
Speaker 1: would be negatively impacted if they went against him, that's
Speaker 1: not you, Tiffany. You know, you're just feeling a little uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and so that's why that's what because I was, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I vacillated, like I don't know if I
Speaker 1: should say. I don't know if I should say. But
Speaker 1: when I tell you, Mandy, how many hundreds of tweets
Speaker 1: people sent me, I didn't even you know, I just
Speaker 1: to me, it's just me, my sisters, my mom, my dad,
Speaker 1: and like like my three friends. So I don't really
Speaker 1: look outside of myself. It's just me at home. But
Speaker 1: so many tweets of people being like what you but
Speaker 1: to you're the reason so many people say, you're the
Speaker 1: reason why I started teaching financial education. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: women of every shade and color and hue. You know,
Speaker 1: my heart was so full, like Tiffany, you this happened
Speaker 1: to you, and I thought, this is why you had
Speaker 1: to say something, Tiffany, because people need to know that
Speaker 1: no one is exempt if we don't say anything. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize the impact that, like with what I had
Speaker 1: grown had, I mean, I know on my audience, but
Speaker 1: I didn't realize on the financial community as a whole.
Speaker 1: Just looking at some of the comments. It's just really,
Speaker 1: like I said, wore, how many women were like yo,
Speaker 1: I started teaching financial education because of you. Yo, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: You're my mentor in my head. You know, you're my
Speaker 1: best friend in my head. That came up over and
Speaker 1: over because you know I'm crazy, and so everyone's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just I made the right decision. It's not easy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be some backlash and I'm still vacillating
Speaker 1: and fight even take the call. I don't. To me,
Speaker 1: there's no excuse for it. But I'm like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity for him to learn and grow. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about. I also want to
Speaker 1: protect my piece, so I'm also not looking to be
Speaker 1: further aggravated. But yeah, it just we have to say something.
Speaker 1: We have to say something enough of the silence. Silence
Speaker 1: emboldens people and makes something they can continue to abuse others.
Speaker 1: No more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, but you made a good point. It's protecting
Speaker 2: your peace and it's deciding when to engage and when
Speaker 2: to pull back. And each of us has to make
Speaker 2: the decision for ourselves. And it's fine if today you
Speaker 2: decided to put your head under a pillow and not
Speaker 2: engage with the world, and you have no idea what
Speaker 2: happened to the news. That's fine. I feel like we're
Speaker 2: all entitled to cope and handle it in our own way,
Speaker 2: and I'm so happy that you chose this moment to
Speaker 2: speak out. But I also want to acknowledge the fact
Speaker 2: that some people are just so tired and they don't
Speaker 2: have And it's like you said, we have to speak
Speaker 2: out because we are in a place of privilege for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, and there are people who are too tired
Speaker 2: and can't take the risk who are out there and
Speaker 2: that's why you do what you do, and it's definitely
Speaker 2: why I do what I do as well, and that's
Speaker 2: a privilege in itself. Thank God for this show. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do we even do now? Do we want to
Speaker 2: do a brown boost?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do want to take a break. I want
Speaker 1: to do a brown boost.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we'll be right back, guys. We're gonna
Speaker 2: do brown boost, brown break, brown boost brow all right. Test.
Speaker 2: There's only one option tonight when you must brown boost.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am going to brown boost. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to brown boost. So for the very
Speaker 1: first time ever, I hosted something, so CBS News reached
Speaker 1: out to me and they asked me to host something
Speaker 1: about insurance fraud. And I've never been a host before
Speaker 1: where like I interviewed the experts, what do they say?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm a whole ass anchor.
Speaker 1: It was so strange, okay, because insurance frog can be
Speaker 1: kind of boring, and they really they've reached out to
Speaker 1: me because they were like, we want somebody who's gonna
Speaker 1: jazz it up. And so it was so crazy. It
Speaker 1: came on primetime Sunday morning, right after the mayor had
Speaker 1: like a live address and I came on right after.
Speaker 1: It was freakish because honestly, I didn't know. I never
Speaker 1: know if something's gonna be a deal. I never know
Speaker 1: until the thing. And so it comes on and it's like,
Speaker 1: let's talk about an insurance fraud special with Tiffany the Budgetiesta.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait what, Like I'm thinking, like, I'm
Speaker 1: just part of the special, not the special. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it just honestly, it wore my little, my little brown heart.
Speaker 2: And so you're reporting live from Newark, New Jersey, with
Speaker 2: the face Masacon, with like a burning building behind you.
Speaker 1: No that was so cute to my dad's like will
Speaker 1: it be live? I'm like, daddy noo. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just cute to have my parents watch and just
Speaker 1: so you know, for them to be like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: they just can't believe, you know, because for Africans, anything
Speaker 1: that's not a doctor, lawyer, engineer is a drug dealer.
Speaker 1: So the fact that I make drug dealer, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just as much as I've done. That was
Speaker 1: one of the cooler things because I'd never done anything
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I've been like an expert on
Speaker 1: a show or like whatever on the show, but to
Speaker 1: literally like host and move things along and ask questions,
Speaker 1: it just yeah, I have to say it was a
Speaker 1: very very very cool experience, and you know, I felt
Speaker 1: good about it.
Speaker 2: So that is my boost, all right, beautiful. My boost
Speaker 2: is going to be a couple different things. So one
Speaker 2: thing is I'm going to Okay, fine, CALLI will do it,
Speaker 2: because Calli is amazing, and they're going to hear this
Speaker 2: and they're going to go find the links. I'm going
Speaker 2: to send you the links CALLI to these two Google
Speaker 2: docs that contain resources for anyone looking to educate themselves
Speaker 2: about the long history of social injustice against black Americans
Speaker 2: in our country. They are the like, instead of engaging
Speaker 2: with any white person, any Becky or any Keith or
Speaker 2: any Karen who tries to come to you and ask
Speaker 2: you please, you know, help me understand, just put a
Speaker 2: smile in your face and send them these links instead,
Speaker 2: and just give yourself the day off. It's not our
Speaker 2: job to educate people. And these Google docs, I don't
Speaker 2: know who. They were curated by someone magical. I want
Speaker 2: people to share them because I've shared them, and I've
Speaker 2: heard from friends of mine who have taken advantage of
Speaker 2: them and actually gone through them, which is beautiful. And
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I have to go and tell
Speaker 2: you to go watch the documentary Thirteenth by Aba Duverne
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. It's awesome, So that
Speaker 2: I'll be in the show notes. Please take the burden
Speaker 2: off yourself to explain to people what they can do
Speaker 2: their own work to educate themselves on. And then next,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys have seen by now there is this.
Speaker 2: So I guess this boost is for my baby. I
Speaker 2: don't know just he deserves a boost. He's sleeping on
Speaker 2: his own in his own room right now for the
Speaker 2: first time ever. So he's on my heart. But there
Speaker 2: is this clip of I guess this kid was like
Speaker 2: on some reality show. But his name is Keidrin. Is
Speaker 2: that how you say it? Kedrin Bryant k ee d
Speaker 2: r O. Anyway, So Kedrin Bryant his mom, which I
Speaker 2: think is also beautiful. So he's twelve year old, twelve
Speaker 2: years old, young black boy, and he has a pretty
Speaker 2: big platform because he's on this reality show. But his
Speaker 2: mother wrote this song and he sings these lyrics that
Speaker 2: are so powerful and the line that ricochet is through
Speaker 2: my head is I just want to live. And it
Speaker 2: is such a beautiful song. He only posted like fifty
Speaker 2: seconds of it, but there's already like remixes and will
Speaker 2: I will I Am did a remix.
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw it.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. So I listened to it, I don't
Speaker 2: know sometime over the last few days solid blur. This
Speaker 2: morning though I was listening to I was just I
Speaker 2: had the Today Show one because I love me some
Speaker 2: Hoda and it's my little guilty pleasure. So I turn
Speaker 2: on the Today Show and I was, you know, with
Speaker 2: the baby, and he was whatever and as and she
Speaker 2: happened to have key drawn on the show with his
Speaker 2: mom and they played a clip with that song and
Speaker 2: my and Rio starts crying and I'm looking at him. Well,
Speaker 2: first it's a funny thing. He starts to smile, he's
Speaker 2: watching the TV, and then he starts to cry as
Speaker 2: soon as Kedron gets to the line I just want
Speaker 2: to live. And you know, I'm like, what is he?
Speaker 2: Is this because of the song or is he just
Speaker 2: like does this diper poopy or what's happening? So I
Speaker 2: rewound it and I played it again, not because I'm mean,
Speaker 2: but just I did it again. And every time he
Speaker 2: got to that line, Rio just burst into tears, burst
Speaker 2: in a tears. They know and he knows, and I
Speaker 2: just I felt so much. It was just really powerful
Speaker 2: and I feel like my son is like it's just
Speaker 2: he gets things and he's like every parent. I'm like,
Speaker 2: my son is the most special baby ever and he's
Speaker 2: so intelligent and so smart. But he's my constant reminder
Speaker 2: that I have to do better and I have to
Speaker 2: teach him. And to anyone, whether you're a parent or
Speaker 2: not a parent, your an aunt, an uncle, you have
Speaker 2: a child in your life, there is a responsibility, and
Speaker 2: I want to do a big boost for anyone who
Speaker 2: has helped raise beautiful humans who respect and love one another.
Speaker 2: And we have got to do better. I think our generations,
Speaker 2: I millennials like we okay, but we can do so
Speaker 2: much better for the next generation. And I commend those
Speaker 2: of you who are out there trying to be a
Speaker 2: better example for our young people. It's it's exhausting to
Speaker 2: think about it, to have those conversations with children. Even Tiffany,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you're talking to Supergirl about it.
Speaker 2: She's old enough to be there in social media and
Speaker 2: to be exposed to all this. And I will just say,
Speaker 2: give yourself grace to parents, aunties, uncles, god, parents, whatever,
Speaker 2: give yourself grace. There's no perfect way to help explain things,
Speaker 2: but having that dialogue is so important, and I hope
Speaker 2: that I just hope that one of the silver linings
Speaker 2: here is that people do feel like they can have
Speaker 2: those conversations at the dinner table. And it's so important
Speaker 2: for us to tell our stories to our young people
Speaker 2: and not let them hear whatever, you know, altered version
Speaker 2: of the truth they're getting from social media or their
Speaker 2: friends or you know, the media in general. So I
Speaker 2: think I'll I think I'll stop it there because this
Speaker 2: has been a very long episode and like I said,
Speaker 2: three classes of wine, and I need a force.
Speaker 1: Like knowing that I was going to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: chat with you today like I feel because I was
Speaker 1: on one when I talk about you know that I
Speaker 1: never understood that Drake song free smoke, free smoke, Hey,
Speaker 1: free smoke, girl, free smoke. I said, Oh, I'm Drake
Speaker 1: up in this piece, free smoke. Who want the smoke.
Speaker 2: I'm a little annoyed that Instagram is not serving me
Speaker 2: this budgeties to content because I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: see these posts up in my feed. No, it's also
Speaker 2: the Twitter.
Speaker 1: I just this type of thing. Got It'll come up.
Speaker 2: But okay, I'm gonna catch up. Yes, So why you
Speaker 2: have three hundred and twenty five thousand followers and you're
Speaker 2: verified on install.
Speaker 1: But I just you know what I do want to
Speaker 1: please y'all, Please y'all, please y'all. I'm just gotta do
Speaker 1: one minor break. It's just that there there are more
Speaker 1: spam accounts that are pretending to be Budgenisa would like
Speaker 1: the underscore before or after in the middle or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't have any underscores in my name. It's a scam,
Speaker 1: and I feel really bad because someone actually gave one
Speaker 1: of the scam artist money. So they enter into your
Speaker 1: DM say hey, this is Tiffany's private account because I
Speaker 1: don't get to answer everything for my business this account,
Speaker 1: and then they say something like, you know, I can
Speaker 1: help you make money with bitcoin. I you know, it's
Speaker 1: a company that I use. You know, for every thousand
Speaker 1: dollars you invest, you get back eight thousand dollars something
Speaker 1: to that effect. Hey, I you know, what's your phone number?
Speaker 1: Are WhatsApp? You the link? And then they steal your money.
Speaker 1: So that's been There's literally like six accounts floating out there,
Speaker 1: and I just I'm not going to do any more
Speaker 1: social posts about it because it just I mean, we
Speaker 1: I would just post every day. I only can say
Speaker 1: that not just for me, but don't give anybody on
Speaker 1: ig just random money. So folks have been messing g
Speaker 1: me like is this you I'm like, it's not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say honestly, other than.
Speaker 2: Well, nont end well, okay, fine, interrupting, not to interrupt,
Speaker 2: but that's exactly what I'm doing. My brother told me
Speaker 2: because I was telling him I was going to donate
Speaker 2: to a couple of there's these nonprofits that are legal
Speaker 2: defense funds that you can donate to, and they use
Speaker 2: the funds to bail people out who are arrested by
Speaker 2: doing protests and things like that, and the Minnesota Freedom
Speaker 2: and Fun was one that people were donating to. Anyway,
Speaker 2: my brother was like, well, be careful because some of
Speaker 2: these funds are actually run by white supremacist groups and
Speaker 2: who are diverting the funds. So you definitely want to
Speaker 2: do your googles and do your research before you donate
Speaker 2: to charities. And I'll shoot a couple of links to
Speaker 2: include in our show notes of where you can start
Speaker 2: to find some charities to donate to. Because Tiffany, I
Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I've chosen not to be
Speaker 2: out there protesting, and it kind of has been hard
Speaker 2: because my sister, who's white and lives in Wisconsin, was
Speaker 2: out there protesting, and my little brother, who lives in Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 2: was out there. He walked seven miles yesterday peaceful marching
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. I I don't know how to do it
Speaker 2: in a safe enough way for my child, Like I
Speaker 2: just don't, and I fear for people who are there
Speaker 2: protesting because the second wave of coronavirus, I just God,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it just be terrible, you know, to sicken our
Speaker 2: people even more by protesting, you know. So I haven't
Speaker 2: been out there marching, although if I think if I
Speaker 2: was a year ago, I definitely would have been. But
Speaker 2: the way that I'm choosing is like using my platform
Speaker 2: to talk about issues and then to donate to some causes.
Speaker 2: So anyway, all this is to say that if you're
Speaker 2: going to donate, pull out your wallet, be sure you
Speaker 2: do your due diligence, and you're giving to the right groups,
Speaker 2: and you know, the last thing you want to do
Speaker 2: is give money to someone who's not going to use
Speaker 2: it for the right for the right reasons, the right cause.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what I've been because I want to
Speaker 1: donate like a good amount of money, and I've just
Speaker 1: been trying to figure out, oh, what's a definite place
Speaker 1: it's really going to go to help people? So yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm going to look at those links because
Speaker 1: I've been seeing links. But that was my nervousness too.
Speaker 1: How do I know, I don't want to give ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and it's like this like crappy thing that
Speaker 1: doesn't go to help anyone. I really honestly want to
Speaker 1: give to people to get bailed out. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find like an organization that I'm like, oh, they
Speaker 1: definitively and definitely build people out. Maybe you know what
Speaker 1: I'm going to do. I'm gonna Callbikate like she's my
Speaker 1: friend who's an attorney. It helps out folks out like this.
Speaker 1: If she'd is like, oh no, no, girl, this is legitimate,
Speaker 1: That's what I'll do because I want to make sure
Speaker 1: to your point that we're making putting our money where
Speaker 1: we're really going to be helpful. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The platform that my company UH does charitable UH
Speaker 2: does charitable donations through is called Brighter Funds or sorry
Speaker 2: Bright Funds, and they have like a curated list of
Speaker 2: nonprofits that you could donate to. But I will try
Speaker 2: and give some good links so that wherever you are
Speaker 2: in your because it's important to donate to like a
Speaker 2: local organization too. National ones are very important a c
Speaker 2: LU for sure, but also if you can just support
Speaker 2: the local funds in your back in your backyard? Is
Speaker 2: that even an expression? Whatever? Three glasses fine? Uh, that
Speaker 2: will make you know a small difference in your community.
Speaker 2: So we'll include some links for you guys to check
Speaker 2: out for sure.
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Speaker 1: We leave it out on that