WEBVTT - What's a quinceañera anyway? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.640 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.159 There's Charles W. Choke Bryant, There's Jerry. And this is 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.000 a very special day for us. It's a very special 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:24.480 day for Jerry because she's celebrating her her very special 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:29.920 day because today Jerry turns sweet fifteen. Right, well, technically 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.600 it's her triple king Tanya. No, Jerry started producing the 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.960 show when she was five. Oh yeah, she was the 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.360 wonder kin. She was a child prodigy three, A lot 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.160 of temper tantrums. Yeah, but we got through that time, 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.920 we did the Terrible fives and now she's just a 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:51.240 pretty little lady in her pink lacey satine dress. Yeah, 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.760 that dresses a lot, even for a king signor address. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.920 Jerry agreed. Can I go ahead and say I don't 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.160 do the R role very well? So I'm just gonna 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.440 say Keen Sanira, okay, instead of Kencaniana. Yeah that wasn't 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.479 very good either, right. I used to do a good 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.880 R role because of German, but I feel like I've 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.240 lost it a bit, and I guess it's actually an 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:19.000 end role. Keen Signietta is good, right, yeah, but if 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:20.720 I try to keep it up, it's it's I think 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.520 it's going to fatigue everybody pretty quick. So Keen Sanira, Well, 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:25.959 and the last thing we want to be here two 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.400 jackass white dudes, Well, that's what we're doing too, thick 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.679 to forty something white dudes are about to talk about 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.240 Keen Sanieta's like, we know what we're talking about when 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.480 we did the research, and I think it's uh. I 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.080 think it's good to cover stuff like this. I do too. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.760 I had very little understanding about this, just from what 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.440 I've seen on like MTV or whatever, you know, did 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.560 they have a show they have one called like My 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.040 Sweet sixteen or whatever I might be complaining with. But 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.720 I swear I've seen ken like I knew some of 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.600 this stuff somewhere. I don't nowhere though, somewhere just in 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.280 the just being plugged into culture, I knew it. I guess. Yeah. Well, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.880 I lived in Los Angeles, as you know, and they 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:14.560 have obviously quite a Latin population, and I looked up 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.680 Hispanic in Latino. I wanted to get out all right, good, good, 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.480 let's hear what you got. Well, it says that they 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:24.120 can generally used interchangeably these days. But um, I think 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.400 Latino can like I think Hispanic refers to whether or 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.560 not you actually have Spanish speaking roots. Oh is that right? 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:36.440 But um, Latino can be like Brazil uh in places 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.960 in South America as well, if I'm not mistaken. I 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.120 heard once that Ronald Reagan was the person who coined 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.960 the term Hispanic, or at least popularized it. Really Yeah, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.760 well it was that tattoo across his upper back Hispanic 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.840 life for life, yea with the number four. Uh. But 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:55.760 at any rate, you know, lived in l A and 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.600 there's uh, you know, a large Mexican population. So I 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:03.399 would see Quantanietas going on all the time when you're 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.679 just driving around on a weekend. That I would see 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.520 stuff and I was like, wait a minute, it's not 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.080 prom it's summer. Like what's going on? It's like Prom 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.640 times ten. And then some somebody hit me in the head. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.919 They're like, you dummy, dumb white guy from the South. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.520 That's a Kencanietas, right, And so I was like, well, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:22.840 you know what one they I'm gonna do a podcast 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.680 about that. They said, what is a podcast? To make 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.120 up for all this? He said, just watch that's right. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.840 So one thing I saw was um with Latin, you know, 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:38.520 like with Latino or Latino, there's the ingrained masculine. But 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.120 something I saw pop up in a couple of sites 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.880 was they would replace the O or the A with 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.800 an X just to make it the word gender neutral, 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.760 like Latin X. Oh. Yeah, I don't know how you 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.119 pronounced it. I didn't get that far, but I saw 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.680 imprint in a couple of different sites where they were 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.560 trying to remove the gender from you know, Tino or 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.480 Latina and just make it genderal gender neutral. Because there's 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.080 there's a m. I haven't seen it, but there's an 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.560 HBO documentary about Kenson gets and one of them is 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:17.719 for a trans girl. Okay, would it be pronounced Latins? Maybe? 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.160 I mean I have to see it written down. How 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.960 is the X in like wakaka? Isn't it like hot 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:30.240 wa wa? So maybe Lata? That's where I'm going with 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.360 here we go. I didn't want to be too dumb dumbs, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.960 and we're so far down dumb dumb lane it's not 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.320 even funny. No, So let's try to get this back 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.520 on the rail, shall we. I think what we just 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.119 did was great because we explored some questions we had, 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.520 But now we can talk about everything we know about Kenson. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:51.600 Getis right, which is we've been dancing around this thing. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:57.880 This is the fifteen birthday celebration for young ladies, young 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:04.000 women in Mexico, Puerto Rico, in Cuba, in the United States, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.400 kind of all over the world. Um, this is this 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.960 can take place? Yeah, Um, and it seems to be 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:18.479 so it's a it's actually a very traditional thing to 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:25.080 where um Catholic, like the Catholic nous of the girl 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:34.640 and her even pre Catholic origins bind together with what 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.520 I guess you would call like is a universal coming 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:44.680 of age celebration that also focuses on the individuality and 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.880 tastes of the girl. You put all those things together, 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.840 you have a keen Signetta, which is a fifteenth birthday party, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.040 which is a coming out party for a girl as 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.840 she transitions from um girlhood into womanhood. It happens on 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.920 this day and they throw a huge celebration. And there's 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.480 a lot of really cool traditions that you're gonna find it, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.279 Like every king signhetta that are that have some a 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.120 neat origin story to them or a neat symbolism to 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:17.480 them and also some great music, some delicious food. Mm. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.840 Family coming together for an important day. It's really great. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.640 Not just family, the whole community is meant to you know, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.880 like extended family. People in the community that have like 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.440 had an impact on the girl's life, like a teacher. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.680 People chip in for the expense of this. It's like 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.960 a real communal thing. Should we go back in time? Okay, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.640 let's or did you want to go to the future. No, no, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.679 we'll go back in time all right. So the origins 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.159 of this, say, date back all the way to the 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.239 Aztec Indians. Um. Obviously in the fourteen hundreds and fifteen hundreds, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:57.520 they were performing these festivals because girls back then we're 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.440 marriage ready at the age of fifteen. That's kind of 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.480 what it symbolized, right, And like it's it wasn't just 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.359 the Aztecs. Like around the world and cultures around the 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.440 world like you you would find some sort of coming 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.360 of age or rites of passage into womanhood. And yeah, 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.000 when you came out the other end, it was like 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.400 you were on the market then from that point on, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:23.320 that's right. And they had ceremonies, they had speeches, um, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.960 talking about how important it is to become a wise, 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.160 upstanding member of society as a young woman. Um. Then 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.320 the Spanish come along. Of course, they invade what we 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.640 now call Mexico over through the Aztecs, and that brought 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.840 in a European influence to this whole experience. And this 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.680 is where things got a little more, um, a little 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.880 more like debutante. Yeah, it's actually I looked into this 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.200 a little further, chuck. And they they are. They can't 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.520 say for certain where Keintaniettez came from, but they think 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.760 the Aztecs. But their source comes from a single nun 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.600 working in Mexico who wrote an account that had been 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.720 given to a priest forty years earlier from another priest 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:15.000 who had supposedly in the fifteen twenties interviewed some az 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.400 Tech high priests about their culture. So that's where the 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.400 whole idea that there was a rite of passage at 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.480 age fifteen comes from kind of shaky. And then other 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.800 people say, well, no, this is obviously a Spanish colonial influence, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.320 like being presented at court. But the the idea that 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.640 it's a rite of passage into womanhood is so universal 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.400 that it probably is a combination of the two of them. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.360 No one can just say for certain though what the 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:45.400 origin is specifically. Yeah, and apparently until the nineteen sixties, UM, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.440 it was really kind of an upper class thing. But 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:53.360 then in the nineteen sixties, as Latinos immigrated to the 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.120 United States and they became more part of American fabric, 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.840 they really kind of really kind of spread throughout the 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:06.120 US and Latin America as becoming across all socio economic classes. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.000 And uh, we'll get to this a little more later. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.439 But wonderfully, like you said, um, in poorer communities, you 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:17.160 see entire communities chipping in some money many times, or 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.840 the the godmothers and godfathers and padnos and Madrina's like 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.120 that to help pay for this stuff. UM. I saw 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:30.679 this photographer did a really great photos series of Quintana's 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:36.000 celebrations in poor neighborhoods in Mexico and photograph these really 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.120 beautiful photographs of these these young women in their dresses 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:43.960 sort of in the middle of a very depressed neighborhood, UM, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.240 and just showing how important it was that they still 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:52.800 had this celebration, um, even though they they it was 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.920 it was a burden financially on their families, right. Yeah, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.760 I think Mexico City got together in two thousand and 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.440 seven and um, some of the businesses, some of them, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:07.119 some nonprofit groups held like a big mass kin signeta 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.959 UM and now they do it every year for girls 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.880 who who wouldn't otherwise be able to have one. Yeah. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.000 I also read a New York Times article where, um, 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.840 there's a lot of bias like when it comes to 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.800 things like this and and barn bought Mitzvah's and Debutante balls, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.000 where it's very easy for someone to say, like you, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.360 you know, if you're poor living in Mexico City, why 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.880 are you wasting? And that's an air quotes your money 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.920 on this celebration when your family doesn't have much money, 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.360 and they say, you know, you never hear this kind 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:43.920 of criticism for bar Mitzvah's and bought Mitzvah's or debutants, um, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.400 regardless of so socioeconomic status. So it's just very important, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.800 important part of their culture that should be UM shouldn't 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.320 be looked down upon just because they may not have 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.679 the kind of money to throw a big one. Uh 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.120 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, And I'm yeah, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.640 I'm sure one of the things that you just kind 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.680 of hit on the head is that it's a it's 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:12.480 a it's a part of UM Latin next culture UM, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.439 which is one reason why it's become so big in America. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.520 It's a way of UM people of Latino heritage to say, 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.520 you know, this is my heritage too, and this is 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.400 how I'm going to come of age in America. But 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.000 because it's also in America and these are American born 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.840 girls of UM Latino heritage, they they have come over 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.280 time to kind of meld together with what Americans look 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.640 at and say, that's just one enormous Sweet six Team party. 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.760 But there's there's some details in there that you'll find 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.880 it at Kenson Era that you won't at a Sweet 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.960 six Team party. And we'll talk about those right after this. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:12:17.040 Well done, all right, Charles. So we are going to 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.600 start the day. It's a frantic day. It's a hectic day. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.000 From everything I understand from what I've read, this is 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.720 a an actually like a cool day for a girl, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.439 but also very stressful. All right. It's like a it's 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.720 like a wedding or a prom or anything where there's 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.160 UM a lot of pressure on this one. You know, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.199 six hour experience. But think about this. With a wedding, 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.920 you've got your s O to plan the wedding with. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.640 With prom, you've got a handful of other girls to plan. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.840 You know what you're doing with prom, and plus proms 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.440 already being planned for you by your school or whatever. 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:59.200 This is like your day, and part of your responsibility 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.680 is the keensie Yetta, which by the way, Kensonietta literally 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.680 translates to the girl who is fifteen, um, so this 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.600 is technically your Fiesta day keen Signetta or something like that. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.559 Part of your responsibility as Kensanetta is to show that 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.160 you can take part in this planning. On the one hand, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.960 it's to allow it to reflect your personality and your taste, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.880 so you're the one who needs to choose all this stuff. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:25.920 But it also shows that you can be a grown 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.160 up too and undertake months of planning leading up to 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.240 this thing and basically pull it off. Correct, you are right, Okay? 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.000 So the whole thing starts with a trip to church, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.280 which is not what you're going to find, right, Which 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.640 is not what you're gonna find a normal American like 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.880 say Sweet six Team party, No, And it depends on 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.560 the church where you're gonna have and you know, sometimes 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.200 the celebration also occurs at the church. Sometimes that occurs 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.040 at a different spot. Um, kind of like a wedding, 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.920 you know, sometimes you'll have the reception somewhere else. Right, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.480 That's not how I started, which we'll talk about that 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.280 in a minute, but go ahead. But it beens on 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.240 the church where you're a member or where you're having 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.840 this initial ceremony. But the girl before this all happens 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.880 for weeks ahead of time, may actually be required to 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.840 attend classes in advance of this, so they're prepared. They 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:22.680 know to what to expect, right. Um. They well, yeah, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.040 that's about it as far as the weeks ahead part, 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.200 as far as the church and all the planning, Yeah, 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.200 of course. Right. So on the day they arrive at 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.720 the church, and you were saying, like, you know, now 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.080 it's kind of evolved to where you have, like like 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:36.960 like a wedding, you have the ceremony of the church 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:41.080 and then the event elsewhere, right, And that's becoming more 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.600 and more the way. But one of the reasons that 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:48.960 is becoming, um the way is because in Los Angeles, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:53.320 the Los Angeles Archdiocese issued like a set of guidelines 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.360 that basically put the kai bosh on this idea of 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:00.120 the kingson era as a big lavish affair. Uh. And 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:05.120 it really dampened this burgeoning um I guess industry or 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.760 tradition or whatever. Um put a damper on it for 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.400 a little while because families didn't want to go against 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.920 the Church, so they kind of toned down the king sanniras. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.240 But the reason the Church is doing this is because 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:21.240 there were too many kingsonias, not enough Spanish speaking priests. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.840 And then also the Catholic Church has always had an 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:29.960 awkward position in this. In this tradition, it's not a 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.640 Catholic tradition, it's a cultural tradition by a group of 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:38.000 people who are predominantly Catholic and involved the Church as 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.440 part of this tradition. But this this tradition, if anything, 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:45.080 is a syncretized tradition. Remember when we were in Guatemala. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:50.080 The melding of Catholic beliefs and um like pagan pre 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.800 pre um colonial beliefs, indigenous beliefs is syncretism. This is 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:59.680 an example of that. There's like az tech rituals supposedly 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.320 mixed with this. The whole thing starts at at a 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.000 Catholic church with a mass, So the church is kind 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:11.240 of had alternately hands on and hands off view of 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:16.160 this whole thing and almost put a complete damper on it. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.440 But since then it just kind of said, Okay, we'll 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.800 just start off at the church and we'll have the 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.080 the party afterward elsewhere. Yeah. And I've also seen that 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.560 a lot of churches now are straying away from me 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.240 is because they feel like there's just a lot of 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:34.480 disrespectful behavior. Um, like you know, people partying on the 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.960 pews and taking pictures with their phone and texting, and 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.800 like they kind of forget that they're in a church, right, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.960 which I mean, if you step back and think about it, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.520 having a girl's fifteen year birthday party in an actual church, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.520 that's a terrible idea to begin with. Yes, so it 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.760 makes sense to to do this kind of solemn ceremony 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.440 at the church and then party elsewhere, which I think 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.200 is pretty much par for the course these days. All Right, 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.960 So before the mass takes place, um, this young woman 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:12.600 has and and Kristen Corner, remember Kristen of course, what's 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.120 the name of their podcast, Unladylike, unlady Like that's right. Yeah, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.480 Kristen Caroline formally of stuff mom never told you now 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.000 with unladylike she wrote this article and she said that 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:28.480 custom calls for fourteen damas or maiden attendants UM to 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.520 represent the fourteen years of her life up and to 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.320 that point. I saw elsewhere seven. That's what I saw, 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.800 to be paired with seven young men. Um. Do you 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.280 want to pronounce that? Shambaland's Yeah, that's that's how I 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:46.479 took it. Shambalan's I read in another place. I was like, oh, 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.800 wait a minute, which is it? Um? And apparently can 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.760 be seven to fifteen. So depending on I guess how 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.040 many really close friends you have, kind of like picking 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.600 out your your bridesmaids and groomsmen. Yeah, and I saw 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.840 plenty of videos of Ken Sanerre's where like there were 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:09.439 three girls. Yeah, but I think under strict tradition of 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:14.439 the Kensignetta you would have fourteen girls and fifteen dudes. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:20.320 You got fourteen damas, fifteen chamberlains and then one I 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.880 got it, and then one Chamberlayne Day on air, which 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.199 I totally missed up. But it's it's basically the the 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:35.639 escort of honor. Who is the the Kensignetta's date, that's right. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.520 And again I'm sure that there's somely way that Ken 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.240 Sanietta cops aren't going to come by because you don't 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:45.120 have enough uh friends helping you. They have larger fish 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:49.600 to fry on Ken Sanietta day. Right, Although the whoever 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.760 is helping you plan this, it would probably love it 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.560 if you had fourteen guys and fourteen girls because they 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.360 all have to be outfitted in exactly what you want 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.240 them to wear, because it's your party, that's right. And 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.000 I don't think we mentioned, but the dress is a 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.800 very big part of the celebration. Um Traditionally it's either 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.239 pink or white, very saturny. I mean it looks kind 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.480 of like a prom dress, a big frilly um floor 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.600 length of gown. But then also is eight ft wide, yeah, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.159 exactly at the waist like out it's extraordinary. It's like 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:27.080 a princess dress. Yeah, like I want to Ken Taniera, Well, 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.800 we can throw you one, buddy, Okay, you don't do that, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.560 Sure you'll get all pretty for the camera. I definitely 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:36.480 would find a nice stress. All right. So the first stop, though, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.480 like you said, is the church, and this is where 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.640 um a lot of the ceremony takes place. Um, they 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:46.480 receive a blessing from a priest. Um, the young woman 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:53.720 commits herself to her protecting her virginity and her spiritual devotion. Um. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.760 And then they leave a bouquet flowers near the Virgin 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:01.200 Mary statue. Uh. And then traditionally they would give away 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:05.080 a porcelain doll, one of their childhood dolls, or again, 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.639 tradition varies. These days, it might be a step teddy 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.800 bear or something else that just meant something to the girl. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.520 One thing I saw was at Kens signetta barbie. Oh yeah, 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.440 all right, Well they'll pass that along to a younger 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.800 sister or another relative, another female relative to basically say, 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.880 like again symbolic of I'm entering young adulthood and I'm 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.480 passing on this silly barbie to you. What's the name 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.000 of that, the ultimamuneka. Oh, I don't know, I didn't 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.199 see that. Ultima muneka means the last doll, and it 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:43.439 shows that she's leaving girlhood behind. And you can guess 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.159 which which one of those, the ceramic doll or the 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.000 old toy or the brand new barbie the younger female 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:55.920 relative wants these days sure. Yeah so um, so that 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.000 may or may not happen at the church. The thing 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.399 that seems to be what definitely up as of the 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.520 church is the girl is presented with a rosary, a 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.439 prayer book or a Bible um and leaves flowers at 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.680 the altar and or the statue of the Virgin Mary, 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.680 and then receives a blessing. Right, that's right. So let's 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.800 say that all that happened at the church and the 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.520 the girl has been blessed. Sometimes it's part of a 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.679 regular mass, like she may stand up and come up 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.400 to the altar and get a special blessing if if 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.040 if her parents are pulling all the right strings, maybe 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.760 she can get her own mass for it. But um, 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.760 she may also be sharing that mass with other keen 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.080 signetas there's a bunch of different ways to do it. 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.359 But once the mass is done, once she said like 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.800 I am committing myself to the Catholic Church, and I'm 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:44.600 a very spiritual girl, and and um, thanks for the blessing, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.720 I'm out e five thousand, she's heading off to the party. 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.720 That's right. Get that just like a good wedding. Get 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.679 that part over with quickly so you can get your 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.960 party on, right. So while she's getting into the limo, 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.480 we'll take another break. Okay, alright, look at her trying 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:29.439 to stuff that dress in that Okay, chuck. So she 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.280 has gotten in the limo, she's driven off, and now 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.880 they're going to the venue, which is basically anywhere that 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.920 you would also hold like a wedding reception. You could 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:42.200 hold a keen signor party. Yeah, I mean it could be. 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.240 It really depends on the budget of the family involved. 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:48.199 They could rent out a a large hall, or they 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.920 could it could be in the backyard of their own 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.680 home or at a friend's house. Yeah. And again this 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.560 is not just on the parents shoulders. It's very customary 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:02.840 and very traditional for the girl to approach family members, UM, 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:07.000 members of the business community, um, just anybody she can 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.440 think of to say, hey, costs are really adding up 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.920 and can you, you know, chip in a little bit. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.239 And like the the keison, Eira will be sponsored by 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.680 multiple people besides just her parents. Yeah, and I did 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.120 I also read in that article on that really great 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:26.040 photo spread the guy did he interviewed the family members, 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:28.320 and one of the families he said, how long have 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.200 you you know? They didn't have much money, and he said, 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.239 how long have you been saving for this? And they 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:36.159 said for fifteen years? Oh man, Like they started sucking 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.320 away money every year because they knew this was coming 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.360 so great and it was important. It was very sweet story. Yeah. 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.720 I think the aspect that, you know, the community chips 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.359 in and and also comes to like witness this girl's 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:52.720 transition to adulthood. UM. I just really appreciate that. I 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.439 think it's really cool that that's part of it, you know, 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.760 it makes it rather than it's just the parents are 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:01.760 footing the bill for everything. I just think that's cool. Yeah. Well, 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:03.919 and it's a culture where family and community such a 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:10.359 important revered thing, um, and it's something that I'm envious of, 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.960 you know. Yeah, for sure. So when the when the 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.760 girl gets there, the first thing that's gonna happen is 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.960 the music is going to be starting, um and her 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.880 courts going to come in and get introduced. Those are 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:28.199 the um Damas and the Shambalans. Why is that not 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:32.760 sounding right because it sounds French? Right? Okay, so that's 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.400 but am i am I pronouncing it French? I don't 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.200 know that's what I'm saying it. It's uh, I'm not sure. 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.480 I don't know the origins of that word. Okay, So, 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.200 um those two her court, They're gonna come in one 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.680 by one and get announced virtually, just like a wedding 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.879