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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: welcome back, guys. Derek is not here. I'm hosting today.
Speaker 1: We have Nick and Dave. We're gonna jump right into
Speaker 1: the show because we are gonna try to do the
Speaker 1: whole roster cuts in like thirty five minutes. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go somewhat somewhat okay party. So we're gonna apply while
Speaker 1: we saw in yesterday's game and he who kind of
Speaker 1: finally sealed the deal to make their case for making
Speaker 1: the team and who automatically just finally cut themselves out.
Speaker 1: Let's start off with the quarterback position within c Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush last night. But we did get to see Mike. Why.
Speaker 1: Seems like Garrett has been given him opportunities after opportunities
Speaker 1: to make, you know, put some good film out there,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been the case. So where do you guys,
Speaker 1: feel that he stands as of right now. I just
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we said last week you can
Speaker 1: never rule anything out, and you don't know for sure
Speaker 1: because these coaches get in rooms and they have beliefs
Speaker 1: and biases. But based on what we have seen on
Speaker 1: the field, I just don't know how you could justify that. Nope.
Speaker 1: I mean Taren Christian got here two days before camp
Speaker 1: and looked better in his brief audition in the fourth
Speaker 1: preseason game. The throw over the middle of Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: right before halftime. Cedric Wilson, you know, it would have
Speaker 1: been a really tough catch for him, but he's coming
Speaker 1: across the field, Mike White, there's the window there. He
Speaker 1: just missed him. I mean, he threw it too far
Speaker 1: and in front of him. You got to make that
Speaker 1: throws a that's an NFL type throw, and he just
Speaker 1: hasn't made those plays at all. I hate to simplify
Speaker 1: it too much, but it seems like he struggles with anticipation,
Speaker 1: like the classic like waiting for the guy to be
Speaker 1: open instead of anticipating that he's going to be open.
Speaker 1: He never seems comfortable in the pocket, and the offense
Speaker 1: just doesn't move when he's in there. With the exception
Speaker 1: of last week against Houston, he let him right down
Speaker 1: the field. That's one time out of I don't know
Speaker 1: twelve preseason possessions. You don't have to keep him. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you, you're about at some point you're going to
Speaker 1: sign your franchise quarterback to be here for a while.
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush has has looked really good for that role.
Speaker 1: I think he has kind of developed into a solid backup.
Speaker 1: And it's okay if you're a fifth round pick from
Speaker 1: last year just isn't good enough. I mean, draft another
Speaker 1: one next year if you need to, and see if
Speaker 1: he can be better than Cooper Rush. I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: a bummer for them because Mike White is on a
Speaker 1: rookie four year deal like Cooper Rush, they'll have to
Speaker 1: deal with He's a restricted free agent in the offseason.
Speaker 1: So it would have been easier if White was the
Speaker 1: better quarterback, but he just hasn't been. Not Maybe practice
Speaker 1: squad if he makes it. Yeah, I'm actually I'm gonna publish.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna publish a story later today about the practice squad.
Speaker 1: And I mean there's two quarterbacks on this roster who
Speaker 1: could who could conceivably be on the practice squad, and
Speaker 1: it's for two different reasons. Like, if White is on there,
Speaker 1: it's to continue to develop as a quarterback. If tarn
Speaker 1: Christian is on there, it's because he can do about
Speaker 1: ten different jobs. I'll be interested to see you can run.
Speaker 1: That was not I mean, I was impressed with some
Speaker 1: of the things that I saw. I didn't expected from him.
Speaker 1: I thought he was one of the handful of most
Speaker 1: impressive players from last night's game. Yeah, well, we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens there with him. Obviously, Cooper Rush ended up
Speaker 1: making his case to be the backup as a right
Speaker 1: now unless something crazy happens to Dak later on, But
Speaker 1: we won't get to that now. Moving on to the
Speaker 1: running back spots. What happens here, you know, let's start
Speaker 1: off with Jerry Jones and his comments last night. He
Speaker 1: talked to the media for a pretty long period of time.
Speaker 1: He will forever. I thought there was something major going on,
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's still kind of the same thing,
Speaker 1: the saying that the Cowboys are gonna be preparing as
Speaker 1: if Sig wasn't here, you know, just gonna prepare for
Speaker 1: all case scenarios and be ready it's kind of going
Speaker 1: back and forth because I feel like, after hearing what
Speaker 1: he initially said on the fan before the luncheon, was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: as long as we have him for the playoffs type
Speaker 1: of stuff, will be good to go. When he's coming
Speaker 1: back fresh with fresh leg, he's gonna be unstoppable. Now
Speaker 1: when he goes to the luncheon, it's like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have him on the field, And you start getting the
Speaker 1: impression that maybe something changed here, maybe they're getting closer
Speaker 1: to a deal, and then last night you go back to, well,
Speaker 1: we have to prepare without him. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: got to remember, and we say this all the time,
Speaker 1: that there's some negotiating going on here through the media
Speaker 1: and so some that's why there's some back and forth.
Speaker 1: But you'd be foolish to say we're gonna we're preparing
Speaker 1: to have him, you know. I mean, yeah, at this
Speaker 1: point in the game, you have to be prepared not
Speaker 1: for him not to be here. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I stand on it. I still
Speaker 1: just have this feeling that he's gonna be here, but
Speaker 1: you're running out of time for him to be here
Speaker 1: and be ready. So how does this affect the roster
Speaker 1: as far as the running back position, there's two ways
Speaker 1: to look at it. As of right now, Zeke doesn't
Speaker 1: count toward the ninety or the fifty three. Like it's
Speaker 1: he he might as well not exist for the purposes
Speaker 1: of cutting the roster, like he might as well not
Speaker 1: even be a member of the team because he's not
Speaker 1: right now, so they're gonna cut to fifty three. Zeke
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it. Who you're backs, Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard's gonna make it, Jameazola Wally's gonna make it. And
Speaker 1: then now Jordan Chun, we got to figure out what's
Speaker 1: wrong with his ribs. But between special teams and backup duty,
Speaker 1: like I give him of the trio of Chun, Darius
Speaker 1: Jackson and Mike Webber, I give him the nod as
Speaker 1: the third. And then if Zeke's not here, you probably
Speaker 1: hold on to Alfred Morris, or you can cut him
Speaker 1: and just go with three running backs for the time
Speaker 1: being to make room for somebody else that you want
Speaker 1: to get onto the roster. Because as a vested veteran,
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris does not have to he's not subject to waivers.
Speaker 1: You can cut him Saturday, resign him on Monday. You
Speaker 1: could tell him that today, like, hey, we're gonna cut you, sorry,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna resign you that way, And the
Speaker 1: salary's not guaranteed for the season. And to do that
Speaker 1: it would be because of a guy like Luke Gifford
Speaker 1: or somebody like any It could be for any young
Speaker 1: guy that you feel good about, like well, like Luke
Speaker 1: Gifford is a great example, because you don't want to
Speaker 1: subject him to waivers. You have to have him here
Speaker 1: for a day to put him on, to put him
Speaker 1: on IR. So you keep Gifford and cut Morris. You
Speaker 1: send Gifford to IR on Sunday, you resign Morris. Don't
Speaker 1: know if that's going to happen. Brian brought Us is
Speaker 1: convinced that they might carry Gifford because his injury is
Speaker 1: not that bad. That's it's all stuff that we don't know.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be some sort of moving puzzle pieces.
Speaker 1: If Zeke's not here, I do think your running backs
Speaker 1: for week one would be Alfred Morris, Tony Pollard, probably
Speaker 1: Jordan Chunn and jamaz Ol While Yeah and if when
Speaker 1: or if Zeke comes back, Yeah, what happens, then what
Speaker 1: do you do without Fred? Do you still keep him?
Speaker 1: I think you find out how ready Zeke is to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good point. Maybe if he's you know, if
Speaker 1: he's not in football shape, then you know, you probably
Speaker 1: do need to keep Alfred Morris there. Maybe you go
Speaker 1: longer at another position, maybe you keep him on. Maybe
Speaker 1: you cut Jordan Chun at that point, maybe you cut Morris,
Speaker 1: but I think it has to you have to find
Speaker 1: out when he comes back, what is he able to do?
Speaker 1: So who who would be the guy right behind Zeke,
Speaker 1: because based on what we've seen in the preseason, it
Speaker 1: seems like they're leaning tours more with Tony Pollard rather
Speaker 1: than Alfred Morris, who we thought would be the main
Speaker 1: guy because of his experience. I think Pollard would start
Speaker 1: and I think that Morris would come in and spell him.
Speaker 1: That's what I think would happen. I think Alfred Morris
Speaker 1: is just a very experienced security blanket, you know, like
Speaker 1: he's there, you know he can do it. But from
Speaker 1: what we've seen of Tony Pollard, I would expect him
Speaker 1: to be out there for the first snap of the
Speaker 1: Giants game. If he's not here all right, Well, let's
Speaker 1: move on to the wide receivers here. This is going
Speaker 1: to be interesting because we have these two guys that
Speaker 1: have been battling for a spot, Cedric Wilson and also
Speaker 1: Devin Smith. Who makes it or do they end up
Speaker 1: keeping both of them? What happens here? And also when
Speaker 1: you apply what's going on with Noah Brown, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: I believe is going to happen with Noah Brown is
Speaker 1: I think he'll go to He'll stay on PUP, which
Speaker 1: means he'll he'll be there for six weeks at least,
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's even part of the equation.
Speaker 1: I think the way you could see how Devin Smith
Speaker 1: was out of the game in the second half with
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson out there running around, I believe that Devin
Speaker 1: Smith now has elevated himself over him and he made
Speaker 1: a nice play on special teams, which would that's important.
Speaker 1: So I think at this point Devin Smith makes it.
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson's going to be bubble with other positions. I
Speaker 1: think Devin the thing that works in his favor is
Speaker 1: he's a good insurance policy as your ex or zy receiver.
Speaker 1: If you know, Mary Cooper's dealing with Planter for schitis
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. So if one of those guys
Speaker 1: gets hurt, he can play the outside. I don't like
Speaker 1: with Noah Brown being out, who else can step up
Speaker 1: and do that for you, Like Cedric is, he's done
Speaker 1: most of his work on the inside. It feels like
Speaker 1: I almost thought he was going to get injured last
Speaker 1: night because watching from the sideline, No Cedric, because watching
Speaker 1: from the sideline, towards the second half of the game,
Speaker 1: his feet just like wobbling, like they kept wobbling, and
Speaker 1: it was it was weird, like I just I know
Speaker 1: exactly it's like almost breaking. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: plays that happened, but I know exactly one of them.
Speaker 1: And it was very late in the game when he
Speaker 1: caught one over the middle and he it was almost
Speaker 1: like he didn't know did he want to go out
Speaker 1: of bound, would go up field or whatever? And he
Speaker 1: was it was like that, it was like he was
Speaker 1: it was a little hesitant. I just don't think he's
Speaker 1: ready now. John Vay Johnson had a pretty nice game
Speaker 1: before he got hurt. We got his shoulder reaggravated, and
Speaker 1: you know, if you make a catch and make two
Speaker 1: guys miss and turn up the field and go eighty
Speaker 1: yards and run by people and stiff arm people in
Speaker 1: the end zone. That probably puts you on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: I mean, well that was j okay, just making sure
Speaker 1: because you said John Bay John Vay played well, then
Speaker 1: Jalen Guyton because I'm thinking practice squad. Sorry, yeah, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: all right, well guy, you gotta put him on the
Speaker 1: practice squad. Everything I'm not. I'm not letting if a
Speaker 1: guy can do that. Sorry. If a guy can do that,
Speaker 1: he's making the practice squad for me. Well you're you
Speaker 1: kind of said I'm not letting him get away, but
Speaker 1: by putting him on the practice squad, you risk letting
Speaker 1: him get away. True, but if someone takes him for that, no,
Speaker 1: I love to him. I tend to agree with you,
Speaker 1: like he showed off exactly why he's here with that play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they keep six receivers. I think
Speaker 1: it'll be Devin and Cedric. I'm not convinced they need six.
Speaker 1: No offense to those guys, but but who knows. So
Speaker 1: here's a question that I've been seen from fans in
Speaker 1: riards to Noah Brown, Why are the Cowboys so tied
Speaker 1: up with him and wanting to keep him despite the
Speaker 1: fact that we haven't necessarily seen much from him on
Speaker 1: the field. They just love his body type that They
Speaker 1: love the fact that he's a big, physical receiver. They
Speaker 1: feel like he can be versatile in ways where he
Speaker 1: can do things you would love an athletic tight end
Speaker 1: to be able to do. So when he's out there,
Speaker 1: can he go deep? Yes? Can he also motion in here?
Speaker 1: And it's not his strength, but he can do it.
Speaker 1: I mean it might not be his strength, but he's
Speaker 1: better at it than the rest of these guys. Like
Speaker 1: they love him because he can motion in from outside
Speaker 1: and crack the defensive end or the linebacker and give
Speaker 1: Zeke or whoever else Elaine on the outside. Like that's
Speaker 1: why they like him. And he plays a bunch of
Speaker 1: special teams. It's always hurt, which maybe you shouldn't play
Speaker 1: him though. Way I actually I actually talked to Noah
Speaker 1: last night. He was just sitting there and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: this might be the last time I see him for
Speaker 1: a while, which he I mean, which I thought it
Speaker 1: was kind of weird. He was like, you know, as
Speaker 1: much as I do, I really like I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be here. I was like, they're gonna
Speaker 1: put you on PUP. He was like, I really don't know.
Speaker 1: They haven't told me anything. I was like, why, Like,
Speaker 1: why haven't they told you anything? They want him to
Speaker 1: try to get you know, rehab and get better. He did.
Speaker 1: I thought he made a good point. He was like,
Speaker 1: obviously as frustrating, this is my second training camp in
Speaker 1: a row where I haven't really had a chance to
Speaker 1: get out there. But and he was like, but you know,
Speaker 1: I thought I made a good accounting him myself when
Speaker 1: I got healthy last year. And hopefully they remember, Dave,
Speaker 1: You're a people person. You know how to talk to people.
Speaker 1: And I would imagine that conversation went differently than you
Speaker 1: going up going I don't know when I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: you again. I didn't know. I said, hey, you got
Speaker 1: a minute, Like I'm just curious, what's been going on? Right? No,
Speaker 1: of course it was, but for us No. But I
Speaker 1: was standing in the locker room and he was sitting
Speaker 1: there on his phone. I was like, well, if I
Speaker 1: don't talk to him right now and he goes on,
Speaker 1: he'll either go on PUP and be with the injured
Speaker 1: guys and never be around, or he'll be released and
Speaker 1: I might not ever see him again, So no time,
Speaker 1: Like the President, he'll be around. I think it's the same.
Speaker 1: You know, people are like, well when only cut Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: Like why he doesn't he's not casting a roster spot,
Speaker 1: Like the same thing with Noah Brown, Like he's clearly
Speaker 1: he's not gonna make the fifty three. He hasn't practiced,
Speaker 1: so if he goes on pup, he doesn't count toward
Speaker 1: the roster. There's no downside to keeping him around. I
Speaker 1: personally think, you know Tops, the three Tavans, the fourth.
Speaker 1: We know the first two guys, and then I think
Speaker 1: Devin Smith will be the five. If you need another guy,
Speaker 1: I would claim one. I just think there's going to
Speaker 1: be well, that's another thing. Yeah, there's a better guy
Speaker 1: out there than than Cedric Wilson. There's a better guy
Speaker 1: out there than Devin Smith. Probably. Yeah. Interesting, it depends
Speaker 1: on what you want him to do. But I just
Speaker 1: feel like there's going to be a Cavon Frasian Cavon
Speaker 1: Frasier version of a road receiver, A four year guy
Speaker 1: good on special teams, and he can be better than
Speaker 1: what you have. That's a fire point. Now let's let's
Speaker 1: move on to the tight end position before we go
Speaker 1: into break. Witt and Jarwin Chultz boom again. What's thee
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be ready to play that? Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: ready to go. They're not ready right now. They will
Speaker 1: be ready. They're fine keeping three. Marcus Lucas doesn't have
Speaker 1: practice squad eligibility. I commend him. I don't see him
Speaker 1: making the fifty three. I think Cody McElroy is an
Speaker 1: interesting practice squad candidate. He's athletic, He's developed a lot
Speaker 1: in not a lot of time. He's barely you know,
Speaker 1: he hasn't played a ton of football in his career.
Speaker 1: He's like I mean, he's kind of like Rico, except
Speaker 1: I think he's progressed more in a shorter amount of time.
Speaker 1: And I think they're intrigued by that. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's take our first break. When we come back, we'll
Speaker 1: dive into the offensive line. What's going to happen there?
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Speaker 1: the break, Welcome back. We are doing our own Ruster
Speaker 1: cuts prediction before the official one halse should be. I know,
Speaker 1: well it'll be recorded, trying to always go back to
Speaker 1: the website. All right, Well, let's dive into the offensive line.
Speaker 1: We know the starters who the starter is gonna be,
Speaker 1: but who are they gonna keep as the backup in
Speaker 1: how many guys Joe Looney, I think Sophilo makes it
Speaker 1: and Cam Fleming that's eight eight, and then I think
Speaker 1: Adam Redman probably he can play Guarden Center. He seemed
Speaker 1: like he handled himself well last night. He got a
Speaker 1: lot of snaps at center, you know. And and Connor McGovern.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming we'll go to We'll go to IR, although
Speaker 1: again to what happened to move to IR, he's got
Speaker 1: to be there with he like reaggravated it. So there
Speaker 1: were two practice days last week they put him out
Speaker 1: there to see, you know, how he'd hold up if
Speaker 1: he could sort of get into the flow of it,
Speaker 1: and he reaggravated it. I think he said last night
Speaker 1: that he felt a pop while he was working and
Speaker 1: it just you know, they tried and it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: And don't know for sure, but I just I would
Speaker 1: assume he would go to IR. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you have to have nine linemen, Like, why do
Speaker 1: you have to have Adam Redman? You don't have to.
Speaker 1: I just well, when your old line is so questionable
Speaker 1: as far as injuries, I mean, we saw Sack Martin
Speaker 1: go out last year. Several times and then you have
Speaker 1: to start pluggining guys what filo. Also, when you have that,
Speaker 1: when you have depth, I just think you should take
Speaker 1: advantage of it. And Adam Redman, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not Travis Frederick, but he's started games in the NFL,
Speaker 1: he's been around. I think I would feel I mean,
Speaker 1: i'd prefer Connor McGovern, but I'd feel fine if he
Speaker 1: was there. Um, I mean, if you want to, I
Speaker 1: just think if it gets really close to another position,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, get some of these young guys
Speaker 1: on the practice squad to to help you practice with
Speaker 1: your depth. But I just I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know why you really have to have a ninth guy.
Speaker 1: You definitely don't have to. But like I said, like
Speaker 1: you've got a position of strength, why not take advantage
Speaker 1: of it? And the reason why I kind of say
Speaker 1: that is I think that, you know, Looney's almost like
Speaker 1: having two guys. He's like he's a backup center and
Speaker 1: he's a backup guard. So which I love. Zavier Suaphilo,
Speaker 1: I know you do, great guy. I wonder you know.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said on Wednesday that they've received phone calls
Speaker 1: about their offensive and defensive lineman. I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: a guy that you could maybe move for a draft
Speaker 1: pick or something. Yeah, just you know, he's he's played
Speaker 1: something to keep on now. I think something like that's
Speaker 1: going to happen, because it almost always does. Typically the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are the ones giving away a pick for a player,
Speaker 1: but this year, maybe they give away a player for
Speaker 1: a pick. This is a deep roster, so you don't
Speaker 1: you don't have to keep nine alignment though. I just now,
Speaker 1: I like the idea of having four capable backups if
Speaker 1: something happens to one of the starters, right, because it
Speaker 1: has with frequency over the last few years. Let's move
Speaker 1: into something more complicated, the defensive line. What happens here? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. It sucks. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with it. I kind of feel like if
Speaker 1: I if I were cutting the team, I would I
Speaker 1: would do that last. I would just be like, all right,
Speaker 1: do all these other things, and then get out to
Speaker 1: the end and be like, okay, how many do I
Speaker 1: have left? You have eleven? Okay, all right. It's still
Speaker 1: gonna be tough, but at least I have that. I
Speaker 1: think the report over the report of the last few
Speaker 1: days was as few as eight or as many as ten.
Speaker 1: I leaned toward ten ten. But then but then there's
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of X factors. Literally while we've been
Speaker 1: on this show, Jerry Jones went on one oh five
Speaker 1: point three here in Dallas and said, Taco Charlton's going
Speaker 1: to be on the team. It's not a surprise, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation about him. Brian brought us
Speaker 1: who Brian doesn't just throw a crap at the wall.
Speaker 1: He's a pretty well informed guy. He said last night
Speaker 1: that he thinks Daniel Ross might have an injury concern
Speaker 1: that could wind put him on IR don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: need to get more information on that. But again, like
Speaker 1: I don't think Brian would just throw that out there,
Speaker 1: willy nilly, all right. I think we can do this
Speaker 1: because and also, and I talked to Stephen Jones yesterday.
Speaker 1: We had to do a TV show and Joe Jackson's
Speaker 1: on the team. Oh for sure. So there's no okay,
Speaker 1: let's start blogging in little snippets. Would he laws to
Speaker 1: make a twenty one million a year he's on the team.
Speaker 1: He Laws on the team. MALIEK. Collins is on the team.
Speaker 1: Um Joe Jackson, Tyrone Crawford and and Taco Affording Jerry
Speaker 1: are on the team. Well, he's suspended yet for the
Speaker 1: first two games, so Quinn doesn't count. Okay, so he
Speaker 1: doesn't count. If he's that's something for them to deal
Speaker 1: with in two weeks. Christon Hill's your second. Christon Hill
Speaker 1: is on the team. That's six. Six U Doran's Armstrong
Speaker 1: on the team. Seven, Krry Hider. I think Rry Hyder
Speaker 1: is on the team. Okay, so we're at eight. Did
Speaker 1: we say Covington already? Nope, I think he makes the
Speaker 1: team nine. And you know that's the Ross thing. The
Speaker 1: Ross thing makes it easier. It does because you're sitting there,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, Daniel Ross, Daniel Wise, Daniel Wise. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not letting him go not. I mean, I don't. Ten.
Speaker 1: Tenth guy Jalen Jelks is probably you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. I mean he I think
Speaker 1: he could be maybe be an ir maybe it depends
Speaker 1: on he's in a walking boot. I don't know how
Speaker 1: long that's yeah, I don't know. But Jolkes was a
Speaker 1: guy obviously, I thought, you know, would make it and
Speaker 1: he's kind of hit a wall. But Ricky Walker, I'd
Speaker 1: find a spot for him on the practice squad if
Speaker 1: if he doesn't clear waiver, I do. I mean I
Speaker 1: need to be missing anybody. Well, you're right, like the
Speaker 1: Daniel Ross tidbit makes a little bit easier because you're
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking. For a while, I thought it was
Speaker 1: between Ross and I'm like, man, I don't know. Ross
Speaker 1: is sneaky good, like if what are you gonna do there?
Speaker 1: But it's pretty good in those one on one battles, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like like if you put them up against Starter, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good battle. Yeah, But if you put them
Speaker 1: up against one of these younger guys, I mean it's
Speaker 1: not even close. I mean Ross's kills. These guys are
Speaker 1: forgetting anybody that I'm gonna feel stupid about forgetting later, Yes,
Speaker 1: Antwine Woods, Oh oh wow, yeah damn oh. I thought
Speaker 1: you guys mentioned that screwed our whole thing up, because
Speaker 1: an I mean, Antoine Woods is going to make the team.
Speaker 1: He's your best nose tackle or him in Covington. Either way,
Speaker 1: you still need him. What and there again, now you're
Speaker 1: wondering how you find a spot for Daniel Wise. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I was like, there's no way. It
Speaker 1: was that easy. There's no way. Why is his stat
Speaker 1: line last night? I told you in the press box
Speaker 1: he would be like defensive player of the week. It
Speaker 1: was David Irving in Green Bay esque six six tackles,
Speaker 1: three tackles for loss, two sacks, three hits on the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and he played like one half. So what do you do?
Speaker 1: I'm not cutting Wise. All right, let's start over. You
Speaker 1: must be up when you put Joe Jackson. I was
Speaker 1: trying to go by an order of most obvious. But
Speaker 1: let them starters. Starters. DeMarcus Lawrence agreed, Tyrone Crawford agreed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Malie Collins agreed, Antoine Woods agreed. That's that we could
Speaker 1: start with those four, right, you could four? You could
Speaker 1: start Yeah, like that, that's your start up line them preferably. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get some backups in here. Taco Taco Charlton per
Speaker 1: the owner agreed. Christian Covington, all right, I'll all right,
Speaker 1: We'll get hits way, We'll get to him, okay. Um,
Speaker 1: Durrance Armstrong, yes, Tristan Hill, Yes, Hyder Kerry Hyder, Yes,
Speaker 1: you're at eight, okay, Joe Jackson, Joe Jackson nine. Now
Speaker 1: they could keep eleven, but we'll just say ten. We said, Crawford,
Speaker 1: why coming to That's why it comes down to, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I I don't okay who who
Speaker 1: would you be leaning towards the most out of those
Speaker 1: two guys? I mean, you're always going to lean toward
Speaker 1: the guy who just bawled out. But this is why
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fifty three man position. You know, Yes,
Speaker 1: we have to go position by position, but the the
Speaker 1: whys versus why is versus the ninth lineman. See, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that. I don't need a ninth lineman right now.
Speaker 1: Also freaking because if Covington didn't even play, if you
Speaker 1: don't play, that typically says that they feel some type
Speaker 1: of way about you being on the team. And that's
Speaker 1: he is the good point. He is the classic guy.
Speaker 1: Christian Covington is the classic guy where you know, us
Speaker 1: and fans Mike Jackson didn't play, he's hurt. I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's the classic guy where people are like, well,
Speaker 1: what's he done? And then you talk to the coaches,
Speaker 1: and it's like, what hasn't he done. He's incredible, He's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen it yet I have, I mean
Speaker 1: not he has have been like dominant, but I've seen
Speaker 1: him flash. I just I think he'll be on the team.
Speaker 1: I do well. And maybe I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can afford to cut Daniel Wise, but
Speaker 1: I don't know who gets cut to. And again, maybe
Speaker 1: they could trade somebody, maybe the other I like Covington,
Speaker 1: maybe Tacos on the fifty three until Sunday when they
Speaker 1: trade him. I don't, I don't and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't just throw stuff out like that, But what
Speaker 1: the defensive line is the hardest thing to figure out
Speaker 1: about this whole team. Yeah, T ten just seems solid
Speaker 1: that you're gonna keep ten and you know, let's move
Speaker 1: on to linebacker because that is a good problem though too,
Speaker 1: how right, I mean, when you're having such a hard
Speaker 1: time to figure out what player to keep. We said
Speaker 1: last night in the press box, like as recently as
Speaker 1: two years ago, Wise would be like written in stone.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's a testament to how much work
Speaker 1: they've done on the d line that it's this tough.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you like we're gonna be in week four,
Speaker 1: be like, do you see that Ricky Walker's playing for
Speaker 1: the Jets and he had two sacks? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it happened. It happens, all right, let's hit the
Speaker 1: linebackers that he's getting kind of tough too. Here's the
Speaker 1: question I almost asked earlier, but I thought I would
Speaker 1: just wait till now. Do we do we know for sure?
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke Gifford played played well in the in
Speaker 1: the scrimmage, in practice, and then he had one half
Speaker 1: gets an interception, thin he gets hurt, so we're kind
Speaker 1: of like he's good. But Justin Phillips has been better.
Speaker 1: He got an interception that was that was ESPN worthy.
Speaker 1: He's played more, He's played more everywhere everywhere. I don't
Speaker 1: know how, I mean, why not him over Luke Gifford.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And it's just me trying to read
Speaker 1: between the lines because Luke Gifford is an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 1: He's an undrafted free agent who got hurt for a
Speaker 1: significant period of time and they have carried him this
Speaker 1: whole time, which hurts your ability to practice. It messes
Speaker 1: up your rotations in the game, and it just seems
Speaker 1: you know anybody you know, Uh, Andrew Dowell hurt his
Speaker 1: hamstring on the second day of camp, They're like, waved
Speaker 1: injured by get out, sorry, get Phillips back. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: get Justin Phillips back because dal can't go. And then
Speaker 1: Gifford gets hurt and they're like, well, we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta hold on to him. So well, when you see talent,
Speaker 1: you can't just know. And I don't disagree with that,
Speaker 1: but like to be blunt, it would be incredibly stupid
Speaker 1: if they carried him for all this time and didn't
Speaker 1: have a plan for him. So I, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't we don't know where he is in his recovery.
Speaker 1: They could try to carry him because he'd probably be
Speaker 1: inactive on the fifty three anyway, or they could die
Speaker 1: arm him. All right, It just depends. Yeah, the Wolf,
Speaker 1: you could Vanderash Jayal and Sean Lee, Joe Thomas locked
Speaker 1: done over March. I think March is probably your fifth.
Speaker 1: He played well last night, he did. I think March
Speaker 1: is your fifth. And then Justin Phillips, although I think
Speaker 1: maybe the most underappreciated guy is Nate Hall. He played
Speaker 1: great lest he was awesome, and he's been reliably good.
Speaker 1: He's a smart guy. He went to Northwestern special teams.
Speaker 1: Looks good in the games, Like see the one that's
Speaker 1: ruled at all. Yeah, he doesn't. He's got like a
Speaker 1: almost safety like build right in almost tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ok Um, I think six. I think six, especially with that, Well,
Speaker 1: think about it like this, who would you rather like?
Speaker 1: I mean, if it comes down to Justin Phillips or
Speaker 1: Daniel Wise, oh, I'm keeping Wise Okay, pass rushers all day, right,
Speaker 1: And and that's the thing about why he's so uh,
Speaker 1: he's so versatile. I mean, he's going to give him
Speaker 1: a whole year to just be in the weight room
Speaker 1: and all that, and then he'll come back and he'll
Speaker 1: probably be a defensive tackle type guy. Yeah, you love
Speaker 1: you love to joke about like the guy who wins
Speaker 1: the job on Saturday and loses it on Sunday. I
Speaker 1: could see one of those linebackers being a guy who
Speaker 1: loses the job on Saturday and gets it back on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Because if they move Gifford to i R, I would
Speaker 1: assume they're going to sign a linebacker to replace him,
Speaker 1: or maybe they could get one. That's one of the
Speaker 1: worst things that happens is when it makes the team,
Speaker 1: because we like to call it the final roster. Nothing's final,
Speaker 1: but then they claim this they got from the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you're like, well he's out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you're not You're not safe. You're not safe until
Speaker 1: like Tuesday, when when you really start prepping for a
Speaker 1: week one. Let's go ahead and take our final break.
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Speaker 1: let's get specialists out of the weight first. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to buy some time as Dave, trying to tally up
Speaker 1: with what we've got. We know, any numbers, Hey, mar
Speaker 1: didn't play Redfern, you know, he tried to, you know,
Speaker 1: had a field goal whatever, miss the next for point's
Speaker 1: your guy had a field goal whatever. Well did you
Speaker 1: see it? Yeah, it was like a knuckleball. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tim Wakefield through it. So as soon as they missed
Speaker 1: the two point conversion, which they were probably was cheering
Speaker 1: in the press box going on nobody wants to tie
Speaker 1: or over time. But but I was standing right by
Speaker 1: the cheerleaders and then we're cheering, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: like stop it quick, cheering. They didn't want it over time,
Speaker 1: but I really thought that Redford would get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to kick kick it and try to win the game.
Speaker 1: And they didn't. Christian in them all those penalties they
Speaker 1: didn't get down there. But so NLP and Chris Jones
Speaker 1: and my heart, those are three guys. So go ahead
Speaker 1: and put three for specialists. I know there's like a
Speaker 1: subset of people that think Redfern could take Chris Jones's job.
Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't been bad as a punter, yeah,
Speaker 1: I And I think we said it last week, like
Speaker 1: I would never rule anything out after what happened last year.
Speaker 1: But I don't see it, like and yeah, you could
Speaker 1: save money cutting Chris Jones. They don't need to save
Speaker 1: money at all. No, I think they trust him. That
Speaker 1: would surprise me. Yeah, I know people have been talking
Speaker 1: about it, but and then they don't, you know, don't
Speaker 1: mess up with what you got with the kicker right
Speaker 1: now and now he gives the older new holder. It's fine,
Speaker 1: all right, dbs, DBS, Okay, keeping six corners, let's start
Speaker 1: with what we know, Well, let's go with let's definitely
Speaker 1: start with our Cheeto and Byron and then Jordan and
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown and then um C. J. Goodwin is a
Speaker 1: is a good one for our special teams. Five that
Speaker 1: was terrible in the best way. Yeah coming from you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have chez Ball Jones over here. Anyways, five corners, safeties,
Speaker 1: we got Heath, we got Donald I mean sorry, um
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods, Donald Wilson for sure keeps bawling out, and
Speaker 1: Darian Thompson maybe keep bold d D. Okay, I'm catching
Speaker 1: up to you all now. We said okay, four, so
Speaker 1: we've got eight. We've got eight dbs rot like Etchton
Speaker 1: Stone Byron Cheeto, Jordan Brown, Goodwin, Woods, Heath Wilson, another state, Yeah,
Speaker 1: another safety. Where's your where's your stat book? Go? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm writing on the back of it. Wow, I'm all
Speaker 1: Darion Thompson. You know, as a guy, it's either gonna
Speaker 1: be Darian Thompson or Darian didn't play either. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: he's in. I think he's into which ironically, like you know,
Speaker 1: we've been I feel, you know, we kind of we
Speaker 1: piss people off because we're like, he's in, he's in,
Speaker 1: He's in, and fans are like, what has he done?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I'm just telling you what
Speaker 1: they tell us. Davon Frasier is playing in the Kon
Speaker 1: Fraser's playing playing late in the second half of that game,
Speaker 1: and that's just not a good song. Okay, we haven't
Speaker 1: mentioned him, but because what happens here, because he's playing
Speaker 1: in the end of the game, I think they're okay
Speaker 1: with him getting hurt not being on the team. I
Speaker 1: think they I think they trust Thompson more on defense
Speaker 1: and they both can contribute on special teams. And I
Speaker 1: feel like cavan he was he was never a burner,
Speaker 1: but I feel like he's lost the step even from
Speaker 1: that and that's probably your You know, he had knee
Speaker 1: surgery and YadA, YadA, YadA. Well, right now we're at
Speaker 1: eight and we're not even mentioning his name too. Cavon, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to be at it, I just the writing seems to
Speaker 1: be on the wall that he's not going to make.
Speaker 1: I think we're at nine now and that breaks my heart. Yes,
Speaker 1: added Darien Thompson. Darion Thompson. Okay, so you're at nine,
Speaker 1: So where are we overall? Can we do that number
Speaker 1: at this point in time? Two, six, eleven, fourteen, twenty three,
Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty nine forty forty four, forty eight fifty one. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's two roster spots and just okay, so for
Speaker 1: clarity's sake, we only have five receivers, so there's a
Speaker 1: spot available there. We have ten d lineman, six linebackers,
Speaker 1: nine dbs nine oh linemen okay, and how many linebackers
Speaker 1: he said six right now? One of those is Luke Gifford.
Speaker 1: So like if Justin Phillips Ornate Hall we're to make
Speaker 1: the team, it would be after cuts. And the guy
Speaker 1: that we're not mentioning it defensive back yet is Alumba,
Speaker 1: who has done everything possible to make the team. Then
Speaker 1: he gets a pick six. Yep, playing in the second half.
Speaker 1: A lot of it was was on a necessity, don't
Speaker 1: you And I don't know this and me personally, I
Speaker 1: think Donovan Alumba deserves to make the team. But don't
Speaker 1: you just have a bad feeling that they're just gonna
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, but it's and it's you know, they
Speaker 1: love to say football is a meritocracy and it's really
Speaker 1: just not that true because and it just it is
Speaker 1: what it is. Like he he doesn't have the high
Speaker 1: end speed, he's not you know, I don't think they
Speaker 1: would trust him if he had to play defense in
Speaker 1: a week one game. Meanwhile, you know Tristan Hill played
Speaker 1: that entire game, and you know he's gonna make the team,
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's not always on fair. We
Speaker 1: got two spots. I'm keeping Wise, I keep eleven d Linman,
Speaker 1: all right, what would okay? Instead of trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out, because there's no way for us to know sure,
Speaker 1: what is the pool of players that you would consider?
Speaker 1: So Donovan Olumba for sure, Daniel Wise for sure, Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson for sure, Maybe Phillips justin Phillips, Justin Phillips forty four? Um,
Speaker 1: maybe Ricky Walker. I mean about making the team sixty
Speaker 1: maybe it's probably It's probably it though, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: Jokes is not going to be a part of the
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: get injured. I'm gonna I'm gonna write down Innate Hall
Speaker 1: just out of pure bias because I like him. Um,
Speaker 1: Mike Jackson, Mike Jackson, good one, Kaden uh And I
Speaker 1: mean unless they were to keep four tight ends, which
Speaker 1: I don't think is gonna happen. Yeah, So you're talking
Speaker 1: like white, you can throw him on that list, all right. One,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that gives you, that gives you eight guys. Four.
Speaker 1: Still when you look at the list, you still gonna
Speaker 1: cross him out, Okay, all right, him off. Then, So
Speaker 1: of those two spots, I mean Alumba and then Mike Jackson.
Speaker 1: Again it's not always fair, but fifth round draft picks
Speaker 1: they love to protect their draft. He's he's the fifth
Speaker 1: corner really sixth, so like something would have to go catastrophe,
Speaker 1: just catastrophe for him to be playing regular snaps anyway.
Speaker 1: And then Daniel Wise and Cedric Wilson, Like those feel
Speaker 1: like the four to me where you have to make
Speaker 1: a call and we we have two roster spots. You don't,
Speaker 1: I said, Wise didn't. I Oh, I circled forty four.
Speaker 1: A meant to circle sixty four. Sorry, So Alumba, Wise,
Speaker 1: Cedric and Mike Jackson. Is Covington on that list as well?
Speaker 1: Or no? Chris Covington? Yeah, oh damn it. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: put him on our fifty three when we did it
Speaker 1: in the studio the other day. This is tough. I
Speaker 1: hate this. Well, we'll know tomorrow. There's three players that
Speaker 1: are going to be on this team that are that
Speaker 1: are playing on somewhere else right now. We know that,
Speaker 1: and they're going to be better than all of those guys.
Speaker 1: That's what they got to find out those two spots
Speaker 1: right there is are there going to be better players
Speaker 1: than just that pool? Which we I can't predict that.
Speaker 1: I yeah, but so in just one hundred guys and
Speaker 1: the interest of looking at this, I would definitely keep
Speaker 1: wise and just go eleven D Lineman, which I kind
Speaker 1: of doubt they'll do, and then take your pick between
Speaker 1: Alumba and Jackson. Alumba deserves it more, but Jackson is
Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, Okay, we're running out of time. But
Speaker 1: when we look at this thing overall, and we keep
Speaker 1: talking all throughout the training camp, how much talent, young
Speaker 1: talent that the Cowboys have right now? What position would
Speaker 1: you say feels like the weakest out of the whole roster.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. That is a good question. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I hate saying this. Would you have a goat there
Speaker 1: but tight end because they've been banged up and then
Speaker 1: you just don't know what Witten's gonna give you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be pretty good. But I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be what he's been, and what he's
Speaker 1: been is a guy that's a you know, he's a
Speaker 1: declining player, but a declining Hall of Famer, which is
Speaker 1: which is you know, it's a good place to start.
Speaker 1: But tied in, I just wonder what they're going to
Speaker 1: have there. I also, I mean, I mean, as of
Speaker 1: right now, one of the best players in the league
Speaker 1: isn't on your roster. I would be fascinated to see
Speaker 1: how I'm fascinated to see how that could play out.
Speaker 1: Like I part of me really wants to see if
Speaker 1: if Tony Pollard could do this, But part of me
Speaker 1: also wants the best running back in the league to
Speaker 1: come back to the team. So got a shout out
Speaker 1: running back as a trouble spot for the time being.
Speaker 1: Part of me just wants both of them. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: so just combine it. No, Yeah, Like I just I
Speaker 1: get you. You know this, there's this analytical argument rage
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now about whether running backs matter. Well,
Speaker 1: if if Zeke doesn't show up in the next week,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to find out. So that is really
Speaker 1: intriguing to me. But also as somebody who wants the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to succeed. I'd rather not find out and just
Speaker 1: say put twenty one in. It's like you want to
Speaker 1: see where the drama leads to what's going to be
Speaker 1: the end of the story, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you don't want it to be at the sake of
Speaker 1: losing a game. You know. You know, God, this is
Speaker 1: going to sound morbid, But like there's people talk about,
Speaker 1: like when you're standing on the side of the subway tracks,
Speaker 1: Like everybody who's ever stood there is like I wonder
Speaker 1: what would happen if I just jumped out there, you know,
Speaker 1: But like you don't actually want to do it. This
Speaker 1: is a real thing, all right. I sound crazy now,
Speaker 1: But just because you think about it doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: actually want to deal with the reality. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Parish it on, you know, jump and then pull it
Speaker 1: and then you'll be fine. I don't think that would
Speaker 1: work in a subway station. I'd say, who's getting nervous, Oh, subway,
Speaker 1: I'm picturing like a mountain on off a cliff. We
Speaker 1: don't have to talk about my fantasies. Yeah, they're sorry.
Speaker 1: This is a definitely cowboy nation. Is is so you know,
Speaker 1: worried about this, But there's a lot of people and
Speaker 1: every team at every fan of teams are worried about
Speaker 1: this because he affects a lot of fantasy football drafts. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you do when you're sitting there with the
Speaker 1: third or fourth overall pick? Do you take this guy?
Speaker 1: Or do you not people I haven't heard from in
Speaker 1: five years or texting me, Yeah, what's up with the
Speaker 1: I got a drafting. I'm drafting third overall? You think
Speaker 1: I should do it? Like? Shut up? Like the guys
Speaker 1: that took Levan Bell last year are not going to
Speaker 1: do that? Probably not? All right, Well, that is all
Speaker 1: the time we have for today. Thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for listening, and next time you hear from us,
Speaker 1: it'll be the regular season week one, week one, so
Speaker 1: stay tuned. Make sure to check out Dallas scouts dot
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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get a better idea of what this roster
Speaker 1: is gonna finally end up looking like for the twenty
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