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Speaker 3: wish you happy New Year. New Year's Eve brings us
Speaker 3: a reaction to last night's Monday night football game, which
Speaker 3: was entertaining and of course we had a notable injury
Speaker 3: to a very notable figure for the defending NFC champion
Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: And it gives us.
Speaker 3: Football today or tonight, as we have the first in
Speaker 3: the second round quarterfinals of the College football Playoff. And
Speaker 3: I think it's actually the perfect game, so we get
Speaker 3: a lot to get to the first.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 3: This is this is always a good time in the
Speaker 3: morning when you wake up to go, hey, let's let's
Speaker 3: look back at last night's Monday night football game.
Speaker 2: Gave us a little bit.
Speaker 3: Everything got a hook and ladder, which was not you know,
Speaker 3: is a great trick play for a touchdown in the
Speaker 3: first half, exciting ending, and then you have a brock
Speaker 3: Party injury. Like, the biggest takeaway in your mind is
Speaker 3: what from that game?
Speaker 4: Well, it's actually brock Party's injury. But to your point
Speaker 4: of the Lions, not only are the Lions saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna play our guys in what is a meaningless
Speaker 4: game for us, what really matters is Week eighteen. Not
Speaker 4: only are we gonna do that, We're gonna run a
Speaker 4: trick play that I don't know if they've used other
Speaker 4: times this season. I know they've done a bunch of
Speaker 4: other stuff, but let's throw that one on tape from
Speaker 4: Minnesota to worry about. They just don't let up, And
Speaker 4: that's the crazy thing. They could have came out there
Speaker 4: with a vanilla playbook, had Jamier Gibbs maybe play a quarter,
Speaker 4: but no, they went full throttle the rest of the way.
Speaker 4: Almost lost the game. But the biggest takeaway is the
Speaker 4: brock Party injury, depending on the severity of it, which
Speaker 4: we don't know right now, because lost in all of
Speaker 4: this is that, well, we thought that the Lions should
Speaker 4: pack it in last night and not do anything. Maybe
Speaker 4: it should have been brock Party. Maybe Brock Party should
Speaker 4: have just set these final two games for San Francisco
Speaker 4: just because of his contract situation and what could be
Speaker 4: ahead for him in that regard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we don't know, and uh it if you
Speaker 3: look online, right, but the fear obviously is in the
Speaker 3: throwing elbow, right, which was or throw throwing potential throwing shoulder.
Speaker 3: And when you have a guy who they don't have
Speaker 3: to extend him at the end of this year, right
Speaker 3: he has, he's under contract for another year, they don't
Speaker 3: have to. But when you think of what's out there,
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins out there, right, uh, and then you have
Speaker 3: Sam Donald could be will be potentially out there. Cousins
Speaker 3: obviously played for Kyle Shanahan in Washington and uh Sam
Speaker 3: Darld started a couple of games last year replacing Brock
Speaker 3: Purty due to injury. Like this, this completely changes in
Speaker 3: many ways the perception of what's going to happen this
Speaker 3: upcoming off season for Party. I mean, look, I don't
Speaker 3: think he bought all of those Toyota Tacoma TRD trucks,
Speaker 3: but probably not, probably not. But if he did, like
Speaker 3: we're talking minimum fifty times, I think eight to ten
Speaker 3: offensive linemen, and I don't know if he can't back
Speaker 3: by the backup. So if it's ten, like you're going
Speaker 3: to drop five hundred grand when you make less than
Speaker 3: a million, there's that thought like he is expecting a payday.
Speaker 3: He has been told there's a payday coming, and now
Speaker 3: what do you do if you're John Lynch and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can't do that, would do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah. What even complicates things now even more is if
Speaker 4: this is significant, and again we don't know.
Speaker 3: Which today it's really really important because I don't want
Speaker 3: anybody to think if you woke up, you just turned
Speaker 3: on that we know it's a significant injury.
Speaker 2: We have no idea got him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's all right. But I think that we
Speaker 4: didn't question brock Perty's health considering he came back from
Speaker 4: the injury and didn't miss a regular season game the
Speaker 4: next year from it when he was hurt against the
Speaker 4: Philadelphia Eagles a couple of years ago. So now the
Speaker 4: whole debate about Purdy has been is Purty good enough?
Speaker 4: Is it Purdy or is it all the weapons around him?
Speaker 4: Riggy Piersaw last night had a great night. You know,
Speaker 4: stat wise, the Niners couldn't get stops on defense, which
Speaker 4: is probably their biggest problem. Perty did have some bad turnovers.
Speaker 4: There is the knock on him of are you trying
Speaker 4: to do too much? But ultimately, Doug, now all of
Speaker 4: a sudden injury prone or significant injury with the elbow
Speaker 4: comes into the equation comes into the negotiation, and I
Speaker 4: think that complicates things even more because if it is significant,
Speaker 4: now it's your second significant elbow injury early on in
Speaker 4: your career, and who knows how that goes down the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have no idea.
Speaker 3: You know, it could be a nerve in there which
Speaker 3: makes it feel like it's worse than it is. But
Speaker 3: you're right once you start to say like one injury,
Speaker 3: like okay, it's just an injury, when it's the second one, now,
Speaker 3: well it's chronic. And the crazy part was the first
Speaker 3: three drives. He had three drives in a row where
Speaker 3: he was nine of nine, one hundred and thirty one yards.
Speaker 2: I saw it. I mean he was killing it.
Speaker 3: I mean really, Now, I know Detroit's defense wasn't great
Speaker 3: to begin with, and now being depleted by some injuries
Speaker 3: is even worse. But the interesting part is how brock
Speaker 3: Purty had had a very average year because of all
Speaker 3: of the in many ways, all of the injuries of
Speaker 3: the guys surrounding him. And look, I don't think he's
Speaker 3: nearly at the level of those elite quarterbacks, and I
Speaker 3: don't think he should be compensated as such. But again,
Speaker 3: I don't evaluate quarterbacks for living. I'm not Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 3: I'm not John Lynch. To their team, they know it
Speaker 3: better than we do. And last night was one of
Speaker 3: the first nights all year when she looking, You're like,
Speaker 3: whoa while, brock Purty looking looks a little different, little
Speaker 3: better tonight than he has previously. And then he goes
Speaker 3: and gets hurt and again, might be something minor, might
Speaker 3: be just a nerve inflammation which makes you arm feel
Speaker 3: like it's on fire, and structurally it's fine, but you're
Speaker 3: you're totally right, Dan. Anybody who has a brain sits
Speaker 3: there and goes like, wait, wait, he had a major
Speaker 3: surgery on it previously, and now he has to leave
Speaker 3: a game, a close game because it feeling like it's
Speaker 3: on fire, Like what else can go wrong? And oh
Speaker 3: yet it's not like it's not an arm he's not
Speaker 3: going to use it was his left arm, like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: you know it's gonna be painful, but he doesn't need
Speaker 3: that one. It's the one elbow, you know, one of
Speaker 3: the two elbows that he actually needs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it completely messes up the equation. They didn't have
Speaker 4: a running game last night. They were willing to get
Speaker 4: into a shootout with the Detroit Lions. And we've looked
Speaker 4: at the forty nine ers over the last couple of years,
Speaker 4: whether it be Christian McCaffrey, whether it be Jordan Mason
Speaker 4: when he was feeling in earlier of the season, or
Speaker 4: Elijah Mitchell other times, and even before that where he mostered,
Speaker 4: it's been running, running, running, and last night that wasn't
Speaker 4: the case. They aired it out. Party had three hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy seven yards. All those who are anti Party
Speaker 4: and don't pay Party will just point to the two
Speaker 4: interceptions because they didn't look good air mailing one in
Speaker 4: the middle of the field. You could always point to
Speaker 4: that stuff. But as he said, he started out nine
Speaker 4: to nine through for almost four hundred yards in the
Speaker 4: game that had what ten touchdowns and no punts. I think,
Speaker 4: like it's crazy. I mean, he put on a show
Speaker 4: last night, but then there's still questions, and now the
Speaker 4: injury stuff complicates things.
Speaker 3: And then the big question is what Dan Campbell did
Speaker 3: playing all his starters. Here's Campbell, head coach of the
Speaker 3: still first place Detroit Lions, when he was asked if
Speaker 3: he considered resting his starters for last night's game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on my mind, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean I thought a lot about it, you know,
Speaker 5: I thought about it leading up to the game. I
Speaker 5: thought about it last night. I told the staff. But
Speaker 5: I ended up settling on the right thing to do
Speaker 5: was play these guys, and and because we owed it
Speaker 5: to the team, you know, and and it was just
Speaker 5: one of those those positions we were in. It's just
Speaker 5: hard to say who you're going to sit, and and
Speaker 5: it's not fair to ask guys to play that haven't
Speaker 5: been prepared to play. You know.
Speaker 3: Those answers make no sense, by the way. I do
Speaker 3: understand the hey, you can't, you can't sit everybody, but
Speaker 3: the how could you not be? You had an extra
Speaker 3: data prep. You knew this was a possibility, right, you
Speaker 3: knew it was a possibility. I don't understand that answer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess what he's saying is, look, had Minnesota lost,
Speaker 3: but had Minnesota lost, they you know, and they won
Speaker 3: be in the same situation, still have to win the
Speaker 3: game on Sunday.
Speaker 4: I also don't want to sound callous, but isn't that
Speaker 4: what backups are for? I mean, like, there's.
Speaker 3: Don't we always don't you always tell your guys you
Speaker 3: stay ready?
Speaker 4: They ready?
Speaker 2: They ready?
Speaker 3: He's not really ready. It's not fair to him. What
Speaker 3: is he talking about? Look, I like Dan Campbell, I
Speaker 3: can just tell you this all gas and no breaks thing.
Speaker 2: It sounds really, really good.
Speaker 3: I can tell you from personal experience, it is an
Speaker 3: atrocious idea. I don't care what you do if you
Speaker 3: lose your start. Your starters are your starters for a reason.
Speaker 3: What are you doing? You did not have to play
Speaker 3: last night's game to win. And like, I'm a crazy
Speaker 3: competitive person. My team is in a is in a
Speaker 3: losing streak. We've had a gigantic injury on our team, okay,
Speaker 3: and it's one of those like we're in that phase
Speaker 3: to where like, if it can go wrong, it goes wrong.
Speaker 3: That's just kind of where it goes and you got
Speaker 3: to turn around and fix it. Okay, but everyone knows
Speaker 3: that your likelihood of success is made even greater in
Speaker 3: the playoffs when you have healthy players. Nothing matters. Unless
Speaker 3: you have healthy players, it's so hard to do with backups.
Speaker 3: And there's what was the win in winning last night,
Speaker 3: especially now that you got a short week of prep
Speaker 3: to go play the Minnesota Vikings. How does that make
Speaker 3: any sense? And his need to go for it right
Speaker 3: like it's gotten a beaten this year. Heck, last year
Speaker 3: there was the decisions on win to go for it,
Speaker 3: not to go for it against the Niners in the
Speaker 3: NFC Championship game, which in the first half he didn't.
Speaker 3: In the second half he did, and it backfired on
Speaker 3: him and they gave away a lead. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying he's not a tremendous coach, but that particular decision
Speaker 3: and his defense of the decision really didn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what also doesn't make sense. This is
Speaker 4: Jared Goff after the win last night.
Speaker 6: I think that's the only way we know, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just go and find a way to win. And
Speaker 6: you know the team we were playing, you know, in
Speaker 6: San Francisco, like this is what ended our season last year,
Speaker 6: And there was a lot of guys on this team
Speaker 6: that were there last year that you know, wanted to
Speaker 6: get one back on them, even though you know, in
Speaker 6: a lot of ways it was meaningless for them and
Speaker 6: meaningless for us. But they were prideful out there too.
Speaker 6: They were trying to you know, beat us as well,
Speaker 6: and it was a fun game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I get it. It's like, we just we
Speaker 3: lost the Niners last year in the playoffs. We want
Speaker 3: to put the steak in. They're already not in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: They're already not in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: The part that I don't get is how in the
Speaker 4: world could that be payback Like last year was for
Speaker 4: a trip to the Super Bowl. This year meant nothing
Speaker 4: to either side. It's actually one of the glaring things
Speaker 4: about Nick Sirianni. For all of the things that we
Speaker 4: will point out and the dumb stuff that the Eagles
Speaker 4: head coach does, there may have been nothing worse than
Speaker 4: taunting Chiefs fans after beating them in Kansas City when
Speaker 4: the Chiefs beat them in the Super Bowl the prior year. Like,
Speaker 4: it wasn't it wasn't payback, It wasn't revenge. I don't
Speaker 4: know how you could get revenge from losing a Super Bowl,
Speaker 4: except if you played them in the Super Bowl the
Speaker 4: next year. This didn't even less impact than that Chiefs
Speaker 4: Eagles get Doug there was. It meant nothing to neither
Speaker 4: to both sides and to sit there and say like
Speaker 4: they're prideful, like that's garbage. Nobody last night thought yeah, revenge,
Speaker 4: none at all.
Speaker 3: There wasn't even there wasn't a single Lions fan. And
Speaker 3: you and I work with Christophett who's the Lions. Not
Speaker 3: a single Lions fan on the on the planet, on
Speaker 3: the planet, who's like hey, or even for last year, huh?
Speaker 2: You like that, buddy? You like that?
Speaker 3: Like even like not one, No, nobody, nobody thinks that.
Speaker 3: And and you know, I love the idea of trying
Speaker 3: to win every day, trying to win every game.
Speaker 2: That were competitive people, You can.
Speaker 3: The backups can compete as well, because you know what
Speaker 3: you're playing for something more important than a Monday night
Speaker 3: football game in week seventeen of an NFL season. You're
Speaker 3: playing for a super Bowl, to win a super Bowl
Speaker 3: with the Detroit Lions. That's the only thing that matters
Speaker 3: is the super Bowl with the Detroit Lions. And and
Speaker 3: and nothing that was done last It was a fun game,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, Like we've had a lot of
Speaker 3: like drudgery here end of the season with some of
Speaker 3: these games. Guys in the limpited the fun game forty
Speaker 3: thirty four points score trick plays awesome, But I mean
Speaker 3: for a team that's already been depleted, already lost, you know,
Speaker 3: lost a running back, lost, the middle linebacker, lost, some
Speaker 3: ancillary pieces like what are you doing? What what are
Speaker 3: you possibly doing? Hey, payback? Some of these guys want
Speaker 3: to pay back. We want to pay back.
Speaker 2: It's not payback, not payback.
Speaker 3: Uh, Jay stew you you you want to propose a bit?
Speaker 3: Is that what you want to do?
Speaker 7: Happy New Year's Eve, a gentleman I put together.
Speaker 2: Isn't it a Happy New Year's Eve? Day?
Speaker 7: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying it's a weird sentence. But new
Speaker 3: Year's Eve, I mean, I guess, I guess it can
Speaker 3: be used. It depends on the use of the word eve.
Speaker 3: Eve can be day before, but it's really night before,
Speaker 3: is it not.
Speaker 7: Yeah? No, I'll definitely I think right on that one.
Speaker 8: I put together a gift for listeners as we look
Speaker 8: back on twenty twenty four. I wanted to play my
Speaker 8: personal favorite soundbites from the year and by all means
Speaker 8: Doug Dan listeners, if you have any contribution, let us know.
Speaker 8: But I want to play at the end of each
Speaker 8: segment today, just something that was memorable, something that's stuck
Speaker 8: out from twenty twenty four in sports, And I want
Speaker 8: to start with somebody that Doug actually either attended high
Speaker 8: school with or went to the same high school as test.
Speaker 3: And high school and go to ten high school with.
Speaker 2: He was a freshman, I was a senior.
Speaker 8: Deshaun Foster gets the job at UCLA and he shows
Speaker 8: up at Big Ten media days and he just wows
Speaker 8: the world with charisma.
Speaker 9: UCLA and a Big Ten where a school that's won
Speaker 9: what one hundred and twenty three championship. So this fits
Speaker 9: as being right in this conference football wise, which is excited.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 9: I'm sure you guys don't know too much about UCLA
Speaker 9: but our football program, but we're in LA. It's us
Speaker 9: in usc.
Speaker 10: We uh.
Speaker 2: The crazy part was for people who don't know.
Speaker 3: We actually had Deshaun on the Doug Gottlieb Show like
Speaker 3: a half hour after that happened, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: well what happened was I didn't know if us was
Speaker 3: to make a statement or answer the question. He was
Speaker 3: great about it, but yeah, that was that that wasn't great.
Speaker 7: Well they turned it into it. I want to say,
Speaker 7: he turned it in the thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're in la Yeah yeah.
Speaker 8: Oh by the way, I have veto put this together
Speaker 8: so I can'tnot play what I was supposed to do
Speaker 8: right before we played the Shaun Foster. Yeah, is this
Speaker 8: is the intro for the for the bit today they said.
Speaker 7: What they said?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 8: So you'll be hearing more sound throughout the show listeners.
Speaker 8: I hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a really good veto, did a really good job.
Speaker 3: What what did you choke? Did you get too excited
Speaker 3: about playing the sound? What happened?
Speaker 7: Oh? You know, I'm I'm not a host by trade.
Speaker 2: No you are. You're the FM morning morning radio host.
Speaker 3: We we've we've we've established that that you love to
Speaker 3: do the well not let don't call it a throwback,
Speaker 3: because you really want to do what was hot on
Speaker 3: the Billboard top charts in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Right, that's we've established that.
Speaker 3: Don't don't don't duck and dodge that thing. You got
Speaker 3: too excited because the clip is way too funny. Everybody
Speaker 3: does it. That clip is too funny. You can't hear
Speaker 3: it one more time. I got to hear that again.
Speaker 2: We're we're in l A with USC.
Speaker 7: Wait a minute, they said, what.
Speaker 2: Oh so good, so good.
Speaker 9: We're a school that's won what one hundred and twenty
Speaker 9: three championships? So this fits us being right in this
Speaker 9: conference football wise, which is excited. You know, I'm sure
Speaker 9: you guys don't know too much about UCLA but our
Speaker 9: football program.
Speaker 10: But we're in LA.
Speaker 9: It's us in USC.
Speaker 11: We RelA, it's us in USC.
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Speaker 3: We have Round two of the college football playoffs getting
Speaker 3: underway tonight again time same same idea as last time
Speaker 3: around one game today and then three tomorrow. I think
Speaker 3: this is the perfect bowl game, Fiesta Bowl Game. Now, look,
Speaker 3: full disclosure, it's ridiculous that boyse you gotta buy. Equally
Speaker 3: ridiculous that Arizona State wins the Big Twelve and they're
Speaker 3: not playing in Glendale. And as much a you can say, well,
Speaker 3: that would be a that would be an unfair our
Speaker 3: home field advantage is like, okay, so neither Arizona State
Speaker 3: nor Boise State deserved to be a top four seed.
Speaker 3: But if they're going to be a top four seed
Speaker 3: and the difference is all that slight, shouldn't you want
Speaker 3: to sell tickets?
Speaker 2: And if you sold tickets?
Speaker 3: And I just saw online that tickets for Arizona State's
Speaker 3: game in but in Georgia are going for pennies on
Speaker 3: the dollar. So congratulations on screwing something up that was
Speaker 3: pretty easy right there in front of you. But regardless
Speaker 3: of it, Dan, can I make the pitch to you
Speaker 3: of why I think.
Speaker 2: This is the perfect game?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So basically for the last I don't know, twenty
Speaker 3: five years or so, and obviously it got worse once
Speaker 3: we got the College Football Playoff, the four team playoff,
Speaker 3: but remember we'd always have these bowl games. We had
Speaker 3: Hawaii taken on. Who'd they get pummeled by in this
Speaker 3: Sugar Bowl? Is that Alabama?
Speaker 4: Georgia?
Speaker 2: Georgia? And the Sugar blank was just bad? Right?
Speaker 3: But also you had Boise taked out Oklahoma in this
Speaker 3: in the Fiesta Bowl, that was the hook and ladder play, right.
Speaker 3: You had the Statue of Liberty. You had Chris Myers
Speaker 3: going okay, and now you're gonna ask your girlfriend to
Speaker 3: marry you, Like, dude, what are you doing anyway? Like
Speaker 3: arguably one of the most famous subsets. And you'd always
Speaker 3: get from the side of the SEC, the side of
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, the side of the Big Ten, like, hey,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, likes a bowl game.
Speaker 3: We get a swag bag, We had to ride roller
Speaker 3: coasters and have big dinner, and freshmen get to a
Speaker 3: more chance to work out, Like it's never really mattered
Speaker 3: to us, right, And there was no real payoff other
Speaker 3: than to say, hey, we won that bowl game, which
Speaker 3: is sort of bragging rights. But like you know, the
Speaker 3: SEC especially has had that, like we love what you know,
Speaker 3: bowl games only matter when we win them. Well, now
Speaker 3: the Big Ten who Let's just be honest, over the
Speaker 3: last twenty five years outside of Ohio State been pathetic
Speaker 3: in Bowl games that faired in Yeah, yeah, okay, right,
Speaker 3: Big ten. Considering the historic nature and success of Big
Speaker 3: ten programs generally, again I'm saying this is more generalization.
Speaker 2: Generally, the Big Ten has been pathetic in Bolt.
Speaker 4: It's funny because there's a Big Ten guy. I don't
Speaker 4: even know. I just went along with it, so I
Speaker 4: honestly I have no idea.
Speaker 3: But sure, okay, it's not an every year thing. I
Speaker 3: would say more often than not, regardless of Okay, and
Speaker 3: the Big Ten is never has usually not been the
Speaker 3: conference like that doesn't matter to us, right, but the
Speaker 3: SEC has been it doesn't. These games don't matter. Well,
Speaker 3: this one matters, Okay. You have that same Cinderella type
Speaker 3: story in Boise State, granted dramatically overseated, and they get
Speaker 3: the benefit of not having to play last weekend so
Speaker 3: they're fresh, they're rested.
Speaker 2: This is the best that Boise is going to have.
Speaker 3: And proximity wise, you know, you get on a Southwest
Speaker 3: flight or what's that other airline that you can actually
Speaker 3: go into Mesa with. But Masa's on the other side
Speaker 3: of the earth from Glendale anyway. Point is they'll have
Speaker 3: a great crowd, a great chance to win against big
Speaker 3: bad Penn State, and Penn State cannot say it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Matter to us, because this is all that matters.
Speaker 3: So you have the you know, in basketball you'd have
Speaker 3: the bracketbuster, the high major versus the mid major. You
Speaker 3: finally actually have that in college football for a chance
Speaker 3: to go to the Foal four. I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of sweet that as much as they screwed up a
Speaker 3: lot of it. And again, like I even think Penn
Speaker 3: State's kind of overseated, and and we're making a bigger
Speaker 3: thing about Penn State, who's Okay, they're not great, But
Speaker 3: you get a chance for the real Everyone who went
Speaker 3: to a school that's not a power for school. Anyone
Speaker 3: who's ever felt slighted felt like they belonged. And even
Speaker 3: heck Mile montered Oklahoma State where you know, you go
Speaker 3: back to the Brandon Whedon team that won was that
Speaker 3: the twenty twelve I think Fiesta Bowl right there was
Speaker 3: that they couldn't get into the National Championship game loose
Speaker 3: doing Iowa State on a missed field goal.
Speaker 2: Right, even those ones.
Speaker 3: Like the overlooked non name brand teams now are gonna
Speaker 3: be rooting for Boise And you got the Big Ten
Speaker 3: and Penn State and all their tradition coming in and
Speaker 3: you know, of course, we know James Franklin always takes,
Speaker 3: you know, catching strays for not beating ranked teams. It's
Speaker 3: kind of a no win for James Franklin. They win,
Speaker 3: they're supposed to be Boise State, they lose. While it's
Speaker 3: going to be ugly in state college, I think it's
Speaker 3: like the perfect game, perfect game on a New Year's Eve.
Speaker 4: I and I can completely accept that, And I just
Speaker 4: wonder if there is a bit of a letdown from
Speaker 4: what we had in the first opening games because you
Speaker 4: mentioned the ticket prices, and by the way, the Big
Speaker 4: Twelve was supposed to go to the Fiesta Bowl. But
Speaker 4: what happened is that Boise State just ended up again
Speaker 4: the fruits of being higher in the rankings. Because they
Speaker 4: ended up being higher, they got placed in the Fiesta
Speaker 4: Bowl in that closer region, which put Arizona State. But
Speaker 4: I think the Big Twelve was under the assumption that
Speaker 4: if it was BYU, if it was Colorado, if it
Speaker 4: was Arizona State, that they likely would have gotten to
Speaker 4: play in the Fiesta Bowl, but that's why they ended
Speaker 4: up in the Peach Bowl because Boise State was higher.
Speaker 4: But to your point, Doug, I look at the basketball tournament,
Speaker 4: the final fours, the sweet sixteens, and what do we love.
Speaker 4: We love a little bit of Cinderella and then we
Speaker 4: want it good at the end, and we'll probably get
Speaker 4: that in this college football playoff. But the question is
Speaker 4: is how much do we want Do we want Boise
Speaker 4: State to win this game? Do we want Boise State
Speaker 4: to go and play Georgia or Notre Dame in the
Speaker 4: semi final? I'm not sure. I can't even tell you
Speaker 4: right now, as crazy as it sounds. And that's why
Speaker 4: I think after these games, despite the first ones being blowouts,
Speaker 4: something new, there was something unique about it. And yeah,
Speaker 4: whether it's Alabama or LSU or you know, SMU, excuse me,
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about it. But I don't know where
Speaker 4: that medium, that happy medium is that we've kind of
Speaker 4: figured out in the men's you know, NCAA tournament, and
Speaker 4: I think it's going to take a little time. This
Speaker 4: this one off tonight could be a great way to
Speaker 4: start it, and then it leads into the to the
Speaker 4: Arizona State Texas game tomorrow. But yeah, I don't have
Speaker 4: a read. I don't know if I would feel differently
Speaker 4: if it was, say, you know, Penn State against Alabama,
Speaker 4: as crazy as that sounds, because of what we have
Speaker 4: with Oregon and Ohio State and Notre Dame in Georgia,
Speaker 4: I don't know if we need Alabama, but I can
Speaker 4: see where you're coming from. I just want to find
Speaker 4: that happy medium that I don't know where it's at
Speaker 4: because this is so new.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say this. I think.
Speaker 3: If Boise were to win tonight, if Boys were to
Speaker 3: win tonight, I think next week is the perfect example
Speaker 3: of why all of us know Boise can't win this thing.
Speaker 2: They just can't.
Speaker 3: Just the attrition of playing a big boy and then
Speaker 3: you play a real big boy next week, you just
Speaker 3: you get so beat up and so worn down you do.
Speaker 3: I think what's the other interesting element to it is,
Speaker 3: again it's not as much this week as it is
Speaker 3: for the next game, is like once these teams that
Speaker 3: have had to play the extra game, like that's Notre
Speaker 3: Dame loses with their best defensive lineman, Like you're gonna
Speaker 3: lose a guy in every game. Now, the difference in
Speaker 3: the Georgia's, to a lesser extent, Notre Dame, but the
Speaker 3: Super the Ohio States of the world is they do
Speaker 3: have a depth of talent that the other schools don't.
Speaker 2: Just that's what the money does.
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Speaker 3: in college basketball, and I think the truth is it's
Speaker 3: really right there in college football. I know it's hard
Speaker 3: for you to conceptualize. How could Alabama lose to Vandy,
Speaker 3: lose to Oklahoma? Just the attrition of playing the best
Speaker 3: competition week in week out is completely different. It's just
Speaker 3: it's a different sport and they're dealing with a different
Speaker 3: salary cap. Even Indiana, who I didn't think belonged in
Speaker 3: the field and got thoroughly undressed, the fact is that
Speaker 3: Indiana did spend.
Speaker 2: A ton of money.
Speaker 3: Like you don't always get a championship team when you
Speaker 3: put a bunch of money together for these college rosters,
Speaker 3: but more often than not, you do. And it's just
Speaker 3: a depth of athletes at those schools because they have
Speaker 3: substantially more money, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's really, really it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just I'm not complaining about my situation.
Speaker 3: I took a job late, knowing all of the pit
Speaker 3: but I was just, you know, before we started the show.
Speaker 3: I mean when my assistant's office, like man could have
Speaker 3: had that. There's a dude who we were recruiting. It
Speaker 3: was late, he was available, we didn't get and my
Speaker 3: Sistan's like, why didn't we get him? And I was like,
Speaker 3: we didn't have the cheddar. It was just too much
Speaker 3: money for us. Just was like, that's the reality to it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, they're better, they got more money. They're supposed
Speaker 3: to be better, you know. So I'm not an SEC alumn,
Speaker 3: I'm not an SEC wonk, but I also know how
Speaker 3: this deal works, and I think it's going to get
Speaker 3: worse before it gets better in terms of the disparity
Speaker 3: between the SEC and to a little slightly lesser extent,
Speaker 3: the Big ten and everybody else because they just make
Speaker 3: more money. They have more money. And again, now next
Speaker 3: year you can bring it in house. You know, and
Speaker 3: pay and have the players under an nil contract from
Speaker 3: the university, and there's universities have more money.
Speaker 2: They don't just make money on that. Everybody says the
Speaker 2: TV deal.
Speaker 3: TV deals great, but that makes sure all the lights
Speaker 3: are on, all the pretty things or whatever. They can
Speaker 3: make one hundred and fifty million dollars a year off
Speaker 3: of their stadiums. They have bigger stadiums that are always
Speaker 3: filled and they and then then you get into all
Speaker 3: the other stuff.
Speaker 2: So they.
Speaker 3: It's just the idea that you're really you're going to
Speaker 3: be competitive three weeks in a row with teams that
Speaker 3: have you know, five to ten to twenty x. The
Speaker 3: spending of what you have is it's really kind of
Speaker 3: silly when you think about it. Now, in a one
Speaker 3: game scenario, can you pull it off? Yeah, boys, you
Speaker 3: can beat Penn State. But can they beat Penn State
Speaker 3: and then beat Georgia and then beat somebody else.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 4: So Brett McMurphy's report yesterday from the Action that Works
Speaker 4: in that the committee is going to look at the
Speaker 4: bracket and possibly change the conference winners getting the automatic
Speaker 4: bids like Boise State did and Arizona State did. That
Speaker 4: You would still go with the rankings at least at
Speaker 4: some point to give your top four buys, you would
Speaker 4: give them the automatic bid to the tournament, but they
Speaker 4: wouldn't get the buy, which could change as soon as
Speaker 4: next year if everyone's on board, and I'm curious on
Speaker 4: why the Big twelve or the Mountain West would want
Speaker 4: to be on board with this. But again at the
Speaker 4: SEC and the Big ten are playing hardball for future
Speaker 4: agreements that could possibly change. But I think that Boise
Speaker 4: State actually has a different field dug, and this is
Speaker 4: why it's difficult. And I don't know if Boise State
Speaker 4: would have won in the quarterfinals or excuse me one
Speaker 4: in the first round and now is on a streak
Speaker 4: going into this Bowl game. Here, it almost seems like
Speaker 4: the Cinderella run into the semi final is just too
Speaker 4: far when you get down to the final four. And
Speaker 4: I wonder if it would have been more fulfilling to
Speaker 4: see to see that sort of advancement by a Boise
Speaker 4: State team, you know what I mean, like to have
Speaker 4: them win a first round game, they become then the
Speaker 4: story where right now they haven't even played a game
Speaker 4: and there isn't even the feel for Cinderella, and it's
Speaker 4: almost difficult to find them as a Cinderella considering that
Speaker 4: they are going to be the higher seeded team and
Speaker 4: wearing the home uniforms today against Penn State. So it's
Speaker 4: it's just it's very, very odd, and I feel that
Speaker 4: the role of the Cinderella would likely be fit better
Speaker 4: if that new format was put in in Boise State
Speaker 4: ended up winning a first round game.
Speaker 3: The dam Patrick Show, Fox Sports Treaties Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 3: Let's let's get a little as we recap twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four on New Year's Eve Day, we play little They
Speaker 3: say what?
Speaker 2: They said? What?
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, they said what?
Speaker 7: Doug.
Speaker 8: I just I've found a gift for our listeners. I
Speaker 8: wasn't able to afford buying gifts for all our listeners,
Speaker 8: so but I wanted to give them the gift of sound.
Speaker 8: And I think this might be my favorite. This might
Speaker 8: be the best piece of sound from the year twenty
Speaker 8: twenty four. Was it twenty twenty four?
Speaker 4: It's two two thousand, Yeah, only eighteen thousand years off.
Speaker 8: Andrew Reis wanted to kind of sum up the impact
Speaker 8: that her and Caitlin Clark had on the world of
Speaker 8: women's college basketball. And this is a real gym.
Speaker 13: It all started from the National Championship game. And I've
Speaker 13: been dealing with this for two years now and understanding like, yeah,
Speaker 13: negative things have probably been said about me, but honestly,
Speaker 13: I'll take that because look where women's basketball is. People
Speaker 13: are talking about women's basketball. You never would think that
Speaker 13: we talking about women's basketball. People are pulling up to games.
Speaker 13: We got celebrities coming to games, sold aut arenas like
Speaker 13: just because of one single game and just looking at that, like,
Speaker 13: I'll take that role.
Speaker 7: I'll take the bad guy role.
Speaker 13: And I'll continue to take that on and be that
Speaker 13: for my teammates. And if I want to be that,
Speaker 13: and I know I'll go down to history. I'll look
Speaker 13: back twenty years they'd be like, yeah, the reason why
Speaker 13: we watch that women's basketball is not just because of
Speaker 13: one person. It's because of me too, And I want you.
Speaker 14: To hey, I was in that game too. People don't
Speaker 14: like me, That's why they watch.
Speaker 4: What's so great is the whole WNBA was was like
Speaker 4: trying to go against Caitlyn Clark, and there's this whole
Speaker 4: ground swell of look at what, look at what Asia
Speaker 4: Wilson has done.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, look, why are we not talking more
Speaker 3: about Asia Wilson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look at look at the other you know, Maya Moore,
Speaker 4: all these other players at Leasta Leslie, all that they've
Speaker 4: done for the you know, for the w and and
Speaker 4: Cheryl Swoops and Cynthia Cooper, all these great players, which
Speaker 4: I think with that we do recognize yet hear Angel
Speaker 4: Reese is like, yeah, it's none of them. It's none
Speaker 4: of them. You want to give it to Kaitlyn Clark,
Speaker 4: but it's also me. Oh, just magnificent, magnificent sound bite.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys watched the I watched
Speaker 3: all the Christmas Day games, and there was one thing
Speaker 3: that was interesting was even though it was the NBA,
Speaker 3: you saw like State Farm replaced Chris Paul with I
Speaker 3: don't know who the WNBA player was the game was on.
Speaker 3: I was working in my office at the time, and
Speaker 3: many of the WNBA stars Asia Wilson now is in
Speaker 3: a Nike AD, sure right, a Nike AD And just
Speaker 3: it's one of those things where like, at some point
Speaker 3: you have to you have to realize the league did
Speaker 3: exist for twenty five years and no one in the
Speaker 3: mainstream paid attention until Caitlin Clark came around. I don't
Speaker 3: know why that's a bad thing, Why people can't accept it,
Speaker 3: why people can't realize it that you know, you fall
Speaker 3: in love with, Like Taylor Swift is not the world's
Speaker 3: greatest singer.
Speaker 2: She had the world's greatest.
Speaker 3: Songwriter, right anyone, I'm not anyone would tell you that
Speaker 3: that Bob Dylan is fifteen times whatever she's ever been.
Speaker 3: But she's a billionaire and she can only bring positive
Speaker 3: attention to females in music. And the more you fight it,
Speaker 3: the more you look like an idiot. Well's the same thing
Speaker 3: here with Caitlyn Clerk, you know, like she's a thing,
Speaker 3: she's made. She's made to where a couple of things
Speaker 3: that that angel Re said are accurate, Like I've been
Speaker 3: doing this job for over twenty years. Okay, outside of
Speaker 3: the I must deal with Rutgers. We never talked about
Speaker 3: women's basketball ever, and it wasn't because we hate it
Speaker 3: or don't like it.
Speaker 2: It's just nobody cared.
Speaker 3: Nobody cared, and we talked about it more this year
Speaker 3: in twenty four and then we talked probably about baseball,
Speaker 3: which had a fifty to fifty guy and now two
Speaker 3: seven hundred million dollar contracts and the Dodgers beat the Yankees. Definitely,
Speaker 3: we didn't utter a word about hockey. Then do they
Speaker 3: still play hockey?
Speaker 2: Right? So she's right, but the hey it's me, I'm
Speaker 2: hey me either reason.
Speaker 13: Like history, I'll look back at twenty years think like, yeah,
Speaker 13: the reason why we watch on women's basketball is not
Speaker 13: just because of person, it's because of me too.
Speaker 4: And I went that was more a slap in the
Speaker 4: face to any current or former w NBA player than anything.
Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark did that comment there like no, it was
Speaker 4: also it was it was me, It wasn't you guys.
Speaker 4: Katelyn Clark at least is given credit to the those
Speaker 4: of the past. That one she told on.
Speaker 8: Herself and car spent over backwards almost pandering to No.
Speaker 3: Now she's gotten to have to had to pander. She's
Speaker 3: it sucks, she's had to pander.
Speaker 7: It's not just one person, it's two.
Speaker 3: It's not just it's not just one person, it's me.
Speaker 3: Let's let's look a bit about me and more about me.
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Speaker 3: Some interesting going ons last night in the Nation Football League,
Speaker 3: with the Detroit Lions surviving the San Francisco forty Niners.
Speaker 3: Monday Night football brock pretty though it went down with
Speaker 3: some form of elbow injury. We think it's an elbow injury.
Speaker 3: We don't really really know. We don't know the severity
Speaker 3: of it or anything of it, only with reports of
Speaker 3: that his arm was on fire and leaving many to
Speaker 3: speculate more nerve than anything else.
Speaker 2: But what that means.
Speaker 3: We simply don't know a guy who would know how
Speaker 3: this could affect the potential for a contract negotiation this
Speaker 3: upcoming off season, joins us now. His name is Andrew
Speaker 3: Brandt is he has. He's the host of the business
Speaker 3: sports podcast under DraftKings Network. He's also the author of
Speaker 3: the Sunday seven newsletter, which you can sign up for
Speaker 3: on his social media pages IG and Twitter as well,
Speaker 3: and he joins us now on the Dan Patrick Show
Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio. Andrew, before we get to the Niners.
Speaker 3: The Lions played their starters, played to win, and you've
Speaker 3: been in with the Packers organization with the Eagles organization.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on the Lions logic behind playing
Speaker 3: their guys last night in the game that did nothing
Speaker 3: with them in terms of playoff seating.
Speaker 15: Yeah, good morning, Doug. Always good to be with you.
Speaker 15: I am not I rebeat, not a believer in playing
Speaker 15: starters and stars and games like this, and I think
Speaker 15: you'll see most of the teams agree with that on
Speaker 15: Sunday this weekend. But Dan Campbell's got his own feelings
Speaker 15: and that was important to him, maybe a little bit
Speaker 15: different going into a big game next week rather than
Speaker 15: a rest for the playoffs. So I'll give him that. Listen,
Speaker 15: My feeling, Doug is risk reward. It's always comes down
Speaker 15: to risk reward. What's the risk and the risk is phenomenal.
Speaker 15: The risk is getting one of your stars got forbid,
Speaker 15: your quarterback hurt in a meaningless game for the playoffs.
Speaker 15: What's the reward. I don't get it winning a game
Speaker 15: that doesn't matter, I guess, But to me, that's not comparable.
Speaker 15: So I am a total believer in I changed the
Speaker 15: Herm Edwards line. You don't play to win the end
Speaker 15: of regular season game. Yeah, you play to win the
Speaker 15: playoffs game. So it's pretty clear to.
Speaker 3: Me, uh with with Dan Birom, Doug Gottlabis is the
Speaker 3: dam Show Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4: Okay, so Doug quick one on that. Sorry we had
Speaker 4: troubles with my mic here, but just on the on
Speaker 4: the line sort of thing. Andrew, when you were an
Speaker 4: executive with the Packers, what happens with bonuses and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, Like, like, I do you know, how is
Speaker 4: that reviewed during the week, especially if you are going
Speaker 4: to be sitting guys and having that discussion. How does
Speaker 4: that come about? And how do you deal with that
Speaker 4: as a front office?
Speaker 15: Yeah, Dan, that's a great question, and that is a problem.
Speaker 15: And when I was with the Packers, we fortunately we're
Speaker 15: in a lot of those games where the sixteenth game
Speaker 15: at that time seventeenth game now didn't really matter. So
Speaker 15: we did sit stars and starters. But I also instituted
Speaker 15: something contractually with the Packers that a lot of teams
Speaker 15: use now called per game roster bonuses. So it's a
Speaker 15: way of getting the player money. But he has to
Speaker 15: be healthy, that's really all he has to be to
Speaker 15: be a part of the forty seven man active roster.
Speaker 15: And yes, this was a problem. Players came up to
Speaker 15: me after these games. Even one player during a championship
Speaker 15: NFC Championship game came up to me and said, what
Speaker 15: am I going to get those bonuses for the sixteenth game?
Speaker 15: And I had to adjust some contracts in the year
Speaker 15: the next year because I didn't foresee that problem, And
Speaker 15: absolutely not did I tell the coaches about it. The
Speaker 15: coaches and the cap contract guys should not be talking
Speaker 15: about these things, and I include that with incentive bonuses,
Speaker 15: whether a guy is close to one thousand yards or
Speaker 15: close to fifty catches or close to eight sacs. I
Speaker 15: created a wall. I did not want any coaches knowing
Speaker 15: about that, because then you could really face the agent
Speaker 15: and play and saying absolutely not, there was no communication
Speaker 15: about that, and be honest about it. So that's a
Speaker 15: great question. That's how I handled it.
Speaker 3: Okay, speaking of contract negotiations, what do you think last
Speaker 3: night's injury, Again, we have no idea this severity does
Speaker 3: to the contract negotiatations in brock Party.
Speaker 15: Well, we're going to assume that he's going to be
Speaker 15: ready to play in twenty twenty five. I mean, this
Speaker 15: sounds like kind of the injury he had in the
Speaker 15: championship game. In twenty twenty three, so we're going to
Speaker 15: assume this is not going to affect his playing in
Speaker 15: twenty five. Here's the thing. He is going to get
Speaker 15: a big contract. The question to me is how big?
Speaker 15: Because the market, as you and I have talked about
Speaker 15: many times, has gone to the fifties fifty five and
Speaker 15: then of course the outlier with Prescott at sixty. I
Speaker 15: just don't see him getting there. Now. Everyone could say, well,
Speaker 15: why not because he's among those guys and his record,
Speaker 15: but I just don't see it. And what the leverage
Speaker 15: the forty nine ers have is that that fourth year?
Speaker 15: In other words, he's done three years of a seventh
Speaker 15: round contract, which is peanuts. He's still got a year
Speaker 15: left on that. Now, are the forty niners going to
Speaker 15: make him play for a million dollars since fourth year?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 15: But are they going to offer him fifty five million dollars?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 15: So I guess I'm looking at it as party's going
Speaker 15: to make a decision. Do I play for a million
Speaker 15: dollars or do I play for a contract averaging pick
Speaker 15: a number thirty million dollars, thirty five million dollars, forty
Speaker 15: million dollars? And am I really going to push for
Speaker 15: fifty million dollars. So that's the leverage the forty nine
Speaker 15: ers have. It's you got a year left at a
Speaker 15: million dollars, so you turn down or offer. That's what
Speaker 15: you're looking at.
Speaker 4: Can they use the elbow injury even if they think
Speaker 4: everything's going to be fine. Can they use it against
Speaker 4: him like you would maybe an arbitration in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 15: It's tough, you know, obviously tough to negotiate that way
Speaker 15: and talk about injuries. But it will be a factor
Speaker 15: if we're looking at it affecting next season. If this
Speaker 15: comes back as nerve damage, that can be lingering or
Speaker 15: whatever the word is into next season. Yes, absolutely, it's
Speaker 15: like someone coming off a knee injury. You're not going
Speaker 15: to do a huge contract based on that.
Speaker 2: What do you think Sam Donald's market looks like.
Speaker 15: Different than party because of what I just said. He's
Speaker 15: a free agent. He's a free agent, so there's no
Speaker 15: extra year that they can negotiate off like the forty
Speaker 15: nine ers can. So now we're talking a different market
Speaker 15: and just forget about numbers. I think Darnold will make
Speaker 15: more than perty because of contract status. Yeah, the Vikings
Speaker 15: will try to sign him, but they won't be the
Speaker 15: only ones. So now you've got leverage, Now you've got teams.
Speaker 15: Now you've got something that is so rare in the NFL,
Speaker 15: productive quarterbacks on the market. When does that happen? Never?
Speaker 15: So I think his market is strong, extremely strong. And
Speaker 15: this idea of trading JJ McCarthy's you don't trade a
Speaker 15: number one pick that hasn't played. That won't happen. But
Speaker 15: if the Vikings retain him, it's then it's the discussion,
Speaker 15: the discussion we had in Green Bay for every you know,
Speaker 15: for for Rogers and for love, Like, what's the time
Speaker 15: If you're JJ McCarthy's agent, are you are you going
Speaker 15: to accept two years guaranteed for Donald? You don't have
Speaker 15: anything to say about it, but are you going to
Speaker 15: accept three years guaranteed for Donald? That's a long time.
Speaker 15: That would be four years of waiting. So we'll see
Speaker 15: what happens. They've got to deal with a lot in
Speaker 15: Minnesota once they get past the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Kind of on the flip side of things, I know
Speaker 4: it's only two years in, but there's not a lot
Speaker 4: of good coming from Indianapolis with someone like Anthony Richardson
Speaker 4: But again, when you're drafting a player like that, you
Speaker 4: and the limited experience he had coming into the NFL,
Speaker 4: what sort of window do you give a quarterback like that?
Speaker 4: If you're Indianapolis, especially if your backup plan right now
Speaker 4: is in aging Joe Flacco, who's on the couch for
Speaker 4: most of last season, what do you do if you're
Speaker 4: the Colts in your young quarterback.
Speaker 15: Well, you don't cut them, you don't trade them, but
Speaker 15: you do have a better backup plan than what you
Speaker 15: just talked about on the couch. You have a serious
Speaker 15: backup plan. You have a serious player that can come
Speaker 15: in there. And I don't know who that is. That's
Speaker 15: a long way off. But you're not talking about a
Speaker 15: stop gap anymore in a place like Indianapolis. You're not
Speaker 15: talking about a Flacco type. You're talking about a real option,
Speaker 15: and you're not giving up on Richardson of course, you know,
Speaker 15: it's like what I heard about Bryce Young an early
Speaker 15: part of this year. No, you don't give up on
Speaker 15: number one picks this early, but you better have an option. No,
Speaker 15: it's not like in Cleveland as well, and that's a
Speaker 15: whole other situation. But they're not going into Cleveland next
Speaker 15: year again with these sort of retread backups anymore, they're
Speaker 15: going with a real option, so it's going to be
Speaker 15: interesting with those teams.
Speaker 2: He's the one only Andrew Brandt, of course.
Speaker 3: He's a former executive with the Packers, the host the
Speaker 3: Business Sports podcast and the DraftKings Network, and the author
Speaker 3: of these Sunday seven newsletter that you can sign up
Speaker 3: for on his social media pages. Andrew, Happy New Year
Speaker 3: to you, Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 15: Thanks you guys having new year.
Speaker 3: Doug Gottlie Dan Byer in for Dan Dannett's Jay stew
Speaker 3: I think you had another say what for us?
Speaker 8: I just want to continue our gifts for the listeners
Speaker 8: throughout the show today. I want to play sound own
Speaker 8: from the Year in Sports in twenty twenty four and.
Speaker 7: It's a bit uh. We like to call this.
Speaker 8: Waiting man, they said, what. I think that's a pretty
Speaker 8: good intro. In fact, I like it a lot. We
Speaker 8: might have to institute it on our daily show, The
Speaker 8: Doug gott Weep Show. So the second bit of sound
Speaker 8: I want to say, and I don't want to speak
Speaker 8: for Dan here, but I think it's his favorite from
Speaker 8: the year. Dan was the one who was watching the
Speaker 8: off season Hard Knocks up close, and of course this
Speaker 8: exchange with Joel Shane and John Mara about Saquon Barkley
Speaker 8: really stood out right.
Speaker 7: What's the latest still.
Speaker 15: On the I just got a text that Chicago's driving
Speaker 15: the price.
Speaker 10: Up and Philly's out. I don't know if that's true or.
Speaker 7: Not, which I don't know.
Speaker 10: If that, I'll make a couple of calls.
Speaker 15: I don't even know if that's gonna gonna happen, but I.
Speaker 10: Have a tough time sleep.
Speaker 8: And if si Quand goes to philampe the outside of that,
Speaker 8: as I've told you, just being up.
Speaker 12: I had been around enough players, but he's the most
Speaker 12: popular player we have by far.
Speaker 4: So good.
Speaker 3: So here's I just again. I mean John Marrow was
Speaker 3: telling him right there, just get this thing done, right,
Speaker 3: I mean everyone heard it at the time. Just get
Speaker 3: this thing done.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 3: You can explain all you want about years and whatever,
Speaker 3: just get this thing done. And remember Saquon Barkley, who's
Speaker 3: got a chance to set the all time single season
Speaker 3: rushing mark.
Speaker 2: He only left for a million dollars more.
Speaker 3: The whole contract is a million dollars more, which signifies
Speaker 3: two things. One you know, the Giants weren't willing to go, Hey,
Speaker 3: whatever you do, we'll offer you more money. And then
Speaker 3: two uh he was it was. It became petty at
Speaker 3: the end. It became it became an ego thing.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because I I don't it's not the exact opposite,
Speaker 4: but I look at it from a different angle and
Speaker 4: I I'm glad we played that sound because it's not
Speaker 4: the pile on Joe Shane. It's actually to applaud Joe
Speaker 4: Shane and the entire Giants organization for doing this. And
Speaker 4: I don't know if the NFL forced him to do it,
Speaker 4: but I don't know if a team will ever do
Speaker 4: it again. I hope they do. I hope we get
Speaker 4: access like that because it actually shows what goes on
Speaker 4: in these scenarios. I would have loved to have heard
Speaker 4: the conversations of the Atlanta Falcons. And now we look
Speaker 4: at the quarterback situation and we see Michael Pennix has
Speaker 4: taken over, But imagine what those conversations would have been.
Speaker 4: Joe Shane may have been wrong, but I just feel
Speaker 4: that his handicap was wrong, like in terms of Seguon Barkley,
Speaker 4: and we've discussed this, and many others have discussed it
Speaker 4: as well. Seguon Barkley was not going to do what
Speaker 4: he did in Philadelphia in New York this year. That
Speaker 4: was not going to happen, and so you have these
Speaker 4: like sequence of events where then the Giants are like,
Speaker 4: let's go and get your weapon, Daniel Jones. They get
Speaker 4: them a leak Neighbors that actually hits. They wanted to
Speaker 4: go cheap in the running back market. Turns out Tyrone
Speaker 4: Tracy was pretty good for him. They had a bunch
Speaker 4: of injuries on the offensive line that they tried to
Speaker 4: four to five as part of the hard knocks that
Speaker 4: we found out there were a bunch of pieces they
Speaker 4: could get. They lost their left tackle Andrew Thomas for
Speaker 4: the season. So it just didn't work out for the
Speaker 4: Giants and it very likely could cost them all their jobs.
Speaker 4: Brian Dable, Joe Shane the whole deal and what was
Speaker 4: a make or break year. But sometimes those things happen,
Speaker 4: and I'm so grateful that we got to look at it.
Speaker 4: So I don't want to make it seem like we're
Speaker 4: piling on Joe Shane, because it gave us insight into
Speaker 4: what a general manager actually has to decide.
Speaker 3: And to add on to that is, let's also be honest,
Speaker 3: it looks really bad right now. There's just no you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, the Raiders have a running back who's you know,
Speaker 3: Tom Telesco gets that job late. And the Raiders had
Speaker 3: already kind of been a dude a running back who's
Speaker 3: having a heck of a year in Green Bay. The
Speaker 3: Packers had Aaron Jones who's having a heck of a
Speaker 3: year in Minnesota, and of course saque Barker. And this
Speaker 3: was all the talk of last year leading up to
Speaker 3: the season. But remember the fight, from these general managers'
Speaker 3: perspective and from the league's perspective.
Speaker 2: Was not over one year.
Speaker 3: It was all of these guys wanted essentially three years guaranteed,
Speaker 3: and the likelihood that they're anywhere near as productive in
Speaker 3: year two and year three is minimal. It just is
Speaker 3: that was the real that's the real gamble here. There
Speaker 3: was never and this is what I hate about headlines
Speaker 3: and some reporting in our business, which is they you
Speaker 3: either want or don't want somebody. The Giants wanted Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 3: they just never wanted to give him a three year
Speaker 3: guaranteed deal just didn't because he's been injured a lot,
Speaker 3: you know, So I just I Let's let's see how
Speaker 3: it ultimately plays out. But right now, yes, it looks
Speaker 3: like words that end up causing you to get fired
Speaker 3: because of this one decision