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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: I'm not aligned with Putin, I'm not aligned with anybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm aligned with the United States of America and for

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Speaker 2: the good of the world.

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Speaker 3: I'm aligned with the world. You want me to be tough.

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Speaker 3: I could be tougher than any human being you've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: I'd be so tough, But you're never going to get

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Speaker 3: a deal that way.

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Speaker 4: Do you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but

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Speaker 4: you will feel it.

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Speaker 3: Bless You don't know that. I'm blessed, you're I'm blessed.

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Speaker 3: You don't know.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell us what we're gonna feel. We're trying to

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Speaker 2: solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel.

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Speaker 2: I'm not telling you because you're in no position to

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Speaker 2: dictate that. Remember this, you're in no position to dictate

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Speaker 2: what we're going to feel. You're not in a good position.

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Speaker 2: You don't have the cards right now with us. You

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Speaker 2: start having right now. You don't know your playing car.

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Speaker 2: You're gambling with the lives and millions of people. You're

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Speaker 2: gambling with world two War three. Your country is in

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Speaker 2: big trouble.

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Speaker 3: I know you're not winning. Oh you're not winning.

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Speaker 2: This, you have a damn good chance of coming out

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Speaker 2: okay because of bread.

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Speaker 5: All right, there you have President Trump, President Zelenski, Vice

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Speaker 5: President J. D Vance and others in a very crowded

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Speaker 5: into an argument. Just bringing that to you as it's

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Speaker 5: coming into our newsroom right now. They jumped in about

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Speaker 5: halfway through the meeting, so we might be able to

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Speaker 5: get you some other comments from the beginning of that conversation.

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Speaker 5: As reporters are escorted outside of the Oval Office, Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump to Vladimir Zelensky, you either make a deal or

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Speaker 5: we are out, he said, telling Zelensky he has to

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Speaker 5: be thankful, and he said it's going to be very

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Speaker 5: hard to do business like this. As President Zelenski tried

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Speaker 5: to make his case to jd Vance, Donald Trump and others,

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Speaker 5: things got very chippy in the middle of that meeting.

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Speaker 5: And we want to assemble our political panel. They were

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Speaker 5: listening along with us here our signature panel together. Rick Davis,

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Speaker 5: Republicans strategist partner at Stone Court Capital, and Genie Shanzano,

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Speaker 5: of course, our democratic analyst and political science professor at

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Speaker 5: Iona University. Rick, I'm not sure I've ever heard anything

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Speaker 5: like that come out of a meeting of world leaders

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Speaker 5: in the Oval Office. Typically an argument like that would

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Speaker 5: be behind closed doors. It just played out for everyone

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Speaker 5: to see. Is this relationship broken? Where do we go

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Joe, I'm not sure you would even say that

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Speaker 6: this kind of argument ever happens behind closed doors. I mean,

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Speaker 6: these kinds of state to state discussions are usually finely tuned,

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Speaker 6: they're prepped, They have lots of staff involved making sure

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Speaker 6: that the time that the two principles spend together is

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Speaker 6: well orchestrated and that the outcome is totally predetermined. The

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Speaker 6: idea that you would put these two folks in the

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Speaker 6: out is something I don't think I've ever seen in

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Speaker 6: we just witnessed was something that you know, look, I mean,

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Speaker 6: everybody Knewald Trump kind of you know, goes his own way,

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Speaker 6: This was an incredible failure of diplomacy. And regardless of

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Speaker 6: saw it, you know, showing this makes both countries look weak.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Genie, give me your take on this. Was it

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Speaker 5: He wasn't thankful enough? Or was this a setup? Did

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump and Jade Vance plan to do this with

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, one of the big questions hanging

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Speaker 7: could probably forget that question for right now, was can

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Speaker 7: There is not a lot of love lost there. And

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Speaker 7: In twenty fourteen, seven million Ukrainians have fled their homeland.

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Speaker 7: it is quite an embarrassing spectacle. It does look made

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Speaker 7: for TV from my perspective. You wouldn't believe it unless

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Speaker 5: Oh my god? Yeah, Well, what do you think, Rick?

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Speaker 5: Did this feel spontaneous? And does this torpedo the bilateral

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Speaker 6: You know, it's hard to tell what they're going to

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Speaker 6: do to put this back together, you know, behind closed

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Speaker 6: I mean, Donald Trump, I think started out this session

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Speaker 6: deal are there, right. I mean, he's had great meetings

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Speaker 6: And and my impression was that's not something JD. Van's

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Speaker 5: Just about a minute or two he left here Jeanie,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump invoked Vladimir Putin's talked about what they had

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Speaker 5: He got very angry looking as he was referring to this.

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Speaker 5: He also revealed that he just met again recently with

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Speaker 7: You know, it's hard to know. We thought this was

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Speaker 7: think there is going to be some criticism all around,

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Speaker 7: reality is Ukraine unfortunately does not have a lot of

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Speaker 7: cards to play. And those were the exact words that

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Speaker 7: That's why Zelenski's task today was to do what they

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Speaker 7: told Queen Victoria. Close your eyes and think of England.

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Speaker 7: Close your eyes and think of Ukraine. And the reality

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Speaker 7: is he couldn't get there in the face of JD

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Speaker 5: Our panel's going to stay with us, GD Shanzano and

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Speaker 5: Rick Davis. We're going to try to unpack what the

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Speaker 5: heck just happened in the Oval Office. So stay with

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Speaker 5: We're going to have a conversation ahead with former Ambassador

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Speaker 5: Daniel Freed. First, we want to talk with Nick Wadams,

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Speaker 5: who leads our national security coverage here in Washington, DC. Nick,

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Speaker 5: have you ever seen anything like this before?

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Speaker 3: No, I have not.

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Speaker 8: That was one of the most extraordinary bits of television

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Speaker 8: I've ever seen. Obviously, the President there getting extremely angry,

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Speaker 8: and then Vice President jd Vance essentially asking Zelenski to

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Speaker 8: grovel and to express thanks to the US, which of

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Speaker 9: Well, certainly so. And I guess the question, Nick, is now,

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Speaker 9: what moments come after this? Things have moved behind closed doors.

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Speaker 9: But initially there was supposed to be an agreement signed

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Speaker 9: that will still happen.

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Speaker 8: Well, we are trying to figure that out. I mean,

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Speaker 8: are we at an impasse where essentially the relationship is

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Speaker 8: totally broken. I mean, been clear for some time that

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Speaker 8: President Trump was not excited about Volodimir Zelenski. He did

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Speaker 8: things were getting better. They thought they had a deal

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Speaker 8: that served Ukraine's interests, essentially punted a lot of questions

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Speaker 8: something out of this.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 8: Seems very unlikely to me that the two sides, without

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Speaker 8: actually put pen to paper, put their signatures on that document.

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Speaker 8: Then the whole thing may end up in total collapse.

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Speaker 8: But we'll just have to see. In the next hour

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Speaker 8: or so, they're also supposed to have a press conference,

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Speaker 8: and of course it's not going to happen, so great question.

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Speaker 5: We will bring it to our viewers and listeners if

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Speaker 5: it does. Nick. That was scheduled to begin seven minutes ago,

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Speaker 5: but obviously things are running late. Before things started getting angry,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump said to Voladimir Zelenski, you either make a

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Speaker 5: deal or we are out. You take him at his word.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I would take him at his word on that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, the thing that's so interesting is

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Speaker 8: this critical minerals deal. When you get down to it

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Speaker 10: Take a step back.

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Speaker 11: The US has an interest in Ukraine succeeding. Our problems

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Speaker 9: Well, on your point, ambassador about it being in US

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Speaker 10: So which is it? Yeah, President Trump was just wrong

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Speaker 5: We love talking with practitioners. You're a career diplomat, bring

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Speaker 11: You advise your principle on how to fix it? What

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Speaker 5: But you get the boss alone in a room. Right now,

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Speaker 11: Now, the national security this is the job for the

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Speaker 11: I'm in an impossible position because we're going to know

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Speaker 11: So if I were advising the President, I would say, Okay,

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Speaker 9: Ambassador, I apologize for interrupting, but we just got a

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Speaker 9: Bloomberg just confirming that the joint press conference that was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we've got a problem. This was a meeting

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Speaker 5: their take on what just happened for an unprecedented moment

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Speaker 5: in politics, Let's watch and listen.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you? Sure?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: So he occupied it our parts, big parts of Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: parts of East and Crimea. So he occupied it on

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Speaker 4: twenty fourteen. So during a lot of years. So I'm

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Speaker 4: not speaking about Jus Biden, but those time was Obama,

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Speaker 4: President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now the

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Speaker 4: President Trump and God bless now President Trump will stop him.

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Speaker 4: But during twenty fifteen, nobody stopped him. He just occupied

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Speaker 4: and took He killed people. You know what the contact

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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Twenty.

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Speaker 4: Four yea, so he kills not here, yeah, by the

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Speaker 4: second right, yes, But during twenty fourteen till twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 4: what the situation the same that people have been dying

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Speaker 4: on the contact line. Nobody stopped him. You know that

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Speaker 4: we had conversations with him a lot of conversations.

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Speaker 3: My belateral conversation.

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Speaker 4: And we signed with him, me like a new president

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Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, I signed with him the deal I

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Speaker 4: signed with him. Mccron and mayor kill we signed ceasefire, ceasefire.

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Speaker 4: All of them told me that he will never go.

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Speaker 4: We signed him with guest contract quantrum. Yes, but after

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Speaker 4: that he broken this is fire. He killed a people

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Speaker 4: and he didn't exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange.

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Speaker 3: Of prisoners, but he didn't do it. What kind of

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Speaker 3: diplomacy gg us speaking about? What? What do you what

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Speaker 3: do you mean?

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Speaker 12: I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to

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Speaker 12: end the destruction of your country. But mister President, mister president,

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Speaker 12: with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come

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Speaker 12: into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in

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Speaker 12: front of the American media. Right now, you guys are

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Speaker 12: going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because

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Speaker 12: you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president

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Speaker 12: for trying to bring it into this conflict.

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Speaker 4: Into Ukraine that you say, what problems we have? I

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Speaker 4: have been to come one.

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Speaker 12: I've actually I've actually watched and seen the stories and

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Speaker 12: I know what happens is you bring people, you bring them.

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Speaker 3: On a propaganda tour.

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Speaker 12: Mister President, are do you disagree that you've had problems

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Speaker 12: bringing people in your military have? And do you think

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Speaker 12: that it's respectful to come to the over office of

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Speaker 12: the United States of America and attack the administration that

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Speaker 12: is trying to trying to prevent the destruction of your country?

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Speaker 3: A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning. Sure,

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Speaker 3: first to all.

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Speaker 4: During the war, everybody has problems, even you. But you

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Speaker 4: have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel.

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Speaker 3: It in the future. God bless you. Don't know that.

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Speaker 3: I'm blessed. You're un blessed. You're not.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying

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Speaker 2: to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going

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Speaker 2: to feel. I'm not telling you because you're in no

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Speaker 2: position to dictate that. Remember this, you're in no position

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Speaker 2: to dictate what we're going to feel.

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Speaker 3: We're going to feel very good, feel influenced.

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Speaker 2: We're going to feel very good and very strong, will

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Speaker 2: feel influenced. You're right now not in a very good position.

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Speaker 2: You've allowed you to be in a very bad position.

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Speaker 2: That happens to be right about.

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Speaker 3: From the very beginning of the war, not in a

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Speaker 3: good position. You don't have the cards right now with us.

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Speaker 2: You start having right now, you pays. You're gambling with

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Speaker 2: lives and millions of people.

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Speaker 3: You're gambling with world War three. You're gambling with World

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Speaker 3: War three.

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Speaker 2: And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country.

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Speaker 2: This country. It's back to you far more than a

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Speaker 2: lot of people said they should have.

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Speaker 12: Have you said thank you once this entire meeting. No,

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Speaker 12: in this entire meeting, you said thank you. You went

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Speaker 12: to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October, offers

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Speaker 12: some words of appreciation for the United States of America

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Speaker 12: and the president who's trying to save your country.

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Speaker 4: Please, you're seeing that if you will speak were loudly

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Speaker 4: about the war.

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Speaker 2: He's not speaking loudly. He's not speaking loudly. Your country

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Speaker 2: is in big trouble. No, No, you've done a lot of talking.

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Speaker 2: Your country is in big trouble. I know you're not winning.

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Speaker 2: You're not winning this. You have a damn good chance

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Speaker 2: of coming out okay, because.

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Speaker 3: Of the president. Were staying Yawa country.

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Speaker 4: Staying strong from the very beginning of the war, we've

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Speaker 4: been alone, and we are thankful.

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Speaker 3: I said, thanks, you haven't been keping it. You haven't

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Speaker 3: been alone.

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Speaker 2: We gave you, through this stupid president, three hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: We gave your military equipment. You and you men are brave,

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Speaker 3: but they had to use our military one.

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Speaker 2: If you didn't have our military equipment, If you didn't

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Speaker 2: have our military equipment, this war would have been over

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Speaker 2: in two weeks.

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Speaker 4: In three days, I heard it from Puttin in three days.

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Speaker 4: This is how maybe less in two weeks. Of course, yes, it's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be a very hard thing to do business

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Speaker 2: like this.

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna tell you they thank you, I said, except

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Speaker 13: that they're accept the American except that there are disagreements,

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Speaker 13: and let's go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to

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Speaker 13: fight it out in.

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Speaker 12: The American media when you're wrong. We know that you're wrong.

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Speaker 2: But you see, I think it's good for the American

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Speaker 2: people to see what's going on. I think it's very important.

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Speaker 2: That's why I kept this going so long. You have

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Speaker 2: to be thankful. You don't have the cards. You're buried there.

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Speaker 2: You're people that died. You're running low on soldiers. Listen,

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Speaker 2: you're running low on soldiers. It would be a damn

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Speaker 2: good thing. And then then you tell us I don't

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Speaker 2: want to cease fire. I don't want to cease fire.

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Speaker 2: I want to go and I wanted this.

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Speaker 3: Look, if you.

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Speaker 2: Could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you you

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Speaker 2: take it. So the bullets stopped flying and your mint

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Speaker 2: stuff courting killed.

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Speaker 3: We want to stop the war. But you're saying you

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Speaker 3: don't want to see you.

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Speaker 2: I want to see guarantee because you get a ceasefire

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Speaker 2: faster than any.

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Speaker 3: Greet core people about fire. What they see.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't with me, That wasn't with me. That was

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Speaker 2: with a guy named Biden, who was not a smart person.

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Speaker 3: That was your That was with Oba. Excuse me.

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Speaker 2: That was with Obama, who gave you sheets and I

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Speaker 2: gave you javelins. I gave you the javelins to take

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Speaker 2: out all those tanks. Obama gave you sheets. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the statement is Obama gave sheets and Trump gave javelins.

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Speaker 2: You got to be more thankful, because let me tell

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Speaker 2: you, you don't have the cards. With us, you have the cards,

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Speaker 2: but without us, you don't have any cards.

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Speaker 9: And there you have it. The dispute in the Oval

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Speaker 9: Office between President Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian

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Speaker 9: President vladimir's Lensky, which has now resulted in the cancellation

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Speaker 9: of a press conference that was supposed to be held

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Speaker 9: at this hour with Trump and Zelensky, and Donald Trump

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Speaker 9: saying on true social that Zelensky can return when he

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Speaker 9: is ready for peace. We are watching outside the White

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Speaker 9: House to see if the Ukrainian president does indeed depart

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Speaker 9: and whether or not he speaks to press in the

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Speaker 9: aftermath of this, given that the scheduled time at which

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Speaker 9: he could have done so has now been called off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We should note, by the way, that this is an

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Speaker 5: incredibly busy day at the White House. There are scores

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Speaker 5: of reporters there who also came from Europe, came from Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: Not to mention, of course, the American reporters who were

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Speaker 5: there for a very important day that we expected to

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Speaker 5: see the signing of a minerals deal between the US

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Speaker 5: and Ukraine. The briefing room is packed, The Oval Office

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Speaker 5: was packed with those selected to be part of the

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Speaker 5: pool today, but there will be a throng of reporters.

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Speaker 5: I believe Josh Wingrove described it as a zoo when

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Speaker 5: he got there earlier this morning. They're in the driveway,

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Speaker 5: as you can see now on Bloomberg TV and on YouTube,

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Speaker 5: the vehicle that brought Vladimir Zelenski to the White Houses

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Speaker 5: waiting for him just outside the West Wing entrance. And

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Speaker 5: if we were able to pull out a bit, you'd

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Speaker 5: see the sticks, as they call it, the stakeout position,

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Speaker 5: where microphones and cameras are waiting for him. So, Kaylee,

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Speaker 5: he may well take some questions. We'll find out together.

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Speaker 9: Indeed, and while we wait to find out, we turned

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Speaker 9: back to our signature political panel who was with us today,

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Speaker 9: Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzy know both Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick,

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Speaker 9: given what we all just listened to again, the tone,

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Speaker 9: the language that these three were using with each other

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Speaker 9: in the Oval Office of all places, are you surprised

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Speaker 9: that things cannot move forward in the aftermath, or at

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Speaker 9: least don't seem to be moving forward now?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you would think that they'd set aside the emotion

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Speaker 6: that the statement referred to from the White House and

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Speaker 6: regroup with their teams. I can imagine National Security Advisor

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Speaker 6: Walls is in conversations with the President, Vice President and

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Speaker 6: his team trying to make something out of this. You

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Speaker 6: don't get these opportunities very often to have something go

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Speaker 6: forward toward a constructive piece agreement like today was planned

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Speaker 6: to be, and allow something like the spectacle and the

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Speaker 6: Oval Office to derail it. But the statement is speaks

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Speaker 6: for itself. It sounds like there's no further progress that

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Speaker 6: will be had today and these teams will have to

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Speaker 6: reset and find a new avenue toward diplomacy. So this

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Speaker 6: is not followed along the lines of any diplomatic effort.

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Speaker 6: I've ever seen lots of momentum coming into today with

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Speaker 6: the meetings earlier this week with the Prime Minister of

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Speaker 6: the UK and the President of France, and you would

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Speaker 6: have thought that this would have resulted in a very positive,

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Speaker 6: constructive outcome. Instead have high fives in the Kremlin. This

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Speaker 6: is exactly what they would have wanted to see happen,

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Speaker 6: and it's going to be a big step backwards in

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Speaker 6: stopping the fight that Donald Trump claims is his number

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Speaker 6: one priority, stop the bloodshed.

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Speaker 5: High fives in the Kremlin. Genie, would it be smart

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Speaker 5: politically for Zelenski to come out of that west wing

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Speaker 5: entrance we're looking at right now, and take questions from reporters,

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Speaker 5: try to make this case or is he dig the

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Speaker 5: hole deeper for Ukraine.

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Speaker 7: You know, it is such a tough call for Zelensky.

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Speaker 7: He had one big job to do, which was to

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Speaker 7: try to mend a here to for difficult relationship with

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump today. And the clip you played is so

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Speaker 7: important because you can hear him at the offset of

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Speaker 7: that trying, you know, fairly innocently to explain to JD.

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Speaker 7: Vance and the President the history he is a board

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Speaker 7: leader for three years, the history of his going back

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Speaker 7: to twenty fourteen, the two Minsk Agreement signed that Vladimir

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Speaker 7: Putin after invading his country did not live up to,

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Speaker 7: and trying to explain to them why they cannot trust

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Speaker 7: or he cannot trust Putin to live up to an

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Speaker 7: agreement now, and then you hear JD. Vance come in

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Speaker 7: like a quite frankly, like he was talking to one

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Speaker 7: of his young children or something, berating Zelenski. And then

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Speaker 7: of course Donald Trump jumped right into that. And you

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Speaker 7: know the reality is is that this is going to

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Speaker 7: be very very tough to repair. It doesn't mean we

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Speaker 7: won't get that rare earth mineral deal, but this goes

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Speaker 7: so far beyond that. And I think one thing to

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Speaker 7: off the ledge here and walk this back and get

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Speaker 7: this deal back on track. I don't know if it's possible,

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Speaker 7: but there is a big division in this administration between

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Speaker 7: those who are non interventionists like JD. Vansho, by the way,

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Speaker 7: in the Senate did not support aid for Ukraine, and

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Speaker 7: those like Rubio and Waltz. And we have to see

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Speaker 7: if they can bring Donald Trump back to the idea

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Speaker 7: that a deal on the rare mineral or earth minerals

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Speaker 7: would be give us a leg up economically, and then

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Speaker 7: that would sort of, you know, lay the groundwork for

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Speaker 7: them to move forward with a potentially relationship to be

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Speaker 7: built on with Zelensky. But very very tough for Zolensky,

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Speaker 7: three years at war, so many people dead, in displaced,

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Speaker 7: to have to listen to the Vice president demanding that

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Speaker 7: he be more express more gratitude and quite frankly the ahistorical,

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Speaker 7: you know, renditions of what has happened in his own country, well.

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Speaker 9: To Genie's point, Rick be as we consider the cast

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Speaker 9: of characters here beyond just the President and Vice president,

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Speaker 9: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, national Security Advisor Mike Waltz,

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Speaker 9: those who are more hawkish in Congress, who have long

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Speaker 9: supported Ukraine. I'm thinking here, Senators Lindsay Graham and others.

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Speaker 9: Do you expect a collective voice here could come to

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Speaker 9: check the impulses of the President and Vice president on

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Speaker 9: this one, or is it ultimately what they say that

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Speaker 9: will go because President Trump is suggesting he's communicating directly

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a very good question, Kaylee. What

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Speaker 6: the net effect is going to be with the President's

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Speaker 6: leaders in Republican Party who are, as you describe them,

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Speaker 6: more hawkish toward the Kremlin. So we've not seen much

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Speaker 6: evidence of that, although many of them did come out

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Speaker 6: and vocally reinforced the fact that when the President called

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Speaker 6: Zelensky a dictator, they pushed back on that and made

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Speaker 6: it clear that Vladimir Putin's the dictator. So that being said,

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Speaker 6: they have not been. Congress has not played even a

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Speaker 6: marginal role in the peace process, if you want to

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Speaker 6: call it that. After today, and so I can't imagine

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Speaker 6: anybody's going to want to stick their neck out too

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Speaker 6: soon after this debacle to see where it goes from here.

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Speaker 6: So I think everyone's going to wind up taking a

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Speaker 6: big step back and assess the damage in our relationships

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Speaker 6: that this will result from the relationship with our ally

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Speaker 6: the Ukraine's NATO members, and what their reaction to this

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Speaker 6: is going to be other members of our global partners

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Speaker 6: and allies that we have who see this Ukraine war

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Speaker 6: as a microcosm of conflicts around the world that could

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Speaker 6: be to come. And this is obviously going to fan

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Speaker 6: a lot of insecurity in every corner of the world

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Speaker 6: after today.

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Speaker 5: If you're just joining us on Bloomberg TV and radio,

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Speaker 5: we were supposed to be bringing you a joint news

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Speaker 5: conference between Trump and Zelenski at this time it has

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Speaker 5: been canceled after a meeting in the Oval office turned

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Speaker 5: sour voice as we're raised, an argument was had, and frankly,

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Speaker 5: it's unclear exactly where this relationship is going and what

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Speaker 5: the status of talks are with Ukraine and with Russia.

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Speaker 5: We are spending time with our signature panel right now,

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Speaker 5: Rick Davis and Genie Shanzeno as we try to get

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Speaker 5: our heads around everything that just happened. Here, Rick, what

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Speaker 5: takes place now that President Zelenski has left the White House,

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Speaker 5: the Diplomatic Corps, national Security Advisor have to hash out

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Speaker 5: what might be the next step here? What do you expect?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure the team is meeting right now in

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Speaker 6: the Oval Office with the President of the United States,

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Speaker 6: the National Security Advisor, and other leadership within the White House,

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Speaker 6: those who attended the meeting and those who have responsibilities

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Speaker 6: for the various branches of service that will be involved

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Speaker 6: normally in an event like this with a country as

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Speaker 6: close as we are to Ukraine. And the real question

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Speaker 6: is where do you go from here? How do you

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Speaker 6: look at a trajectory that Donald Trump clearly had a

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Speaker 6: plan right He has been talking directly to Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 6: creating an opening, massaging egos in the Kremlin to get

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Speaker 6: them to a place where he thinks he could get

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Speaker 6: a deal, you know, probably managing some of his public

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Speaker 6: statements about Ukraine with that in mind, which has strained

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Speaker 6: the relationship with Ukraine, but otherwise has resulted in what

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Speaker 6: we thought was going to be the first step an

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Speaker 6: agreement to give US access to rarers in order to

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Speaker 6: in essence payback some of the money that we've invested

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Speaker 6: in the Ukraine effort that's now shot. The real question

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Speaker 6: is too to me that Vladimir Lensky and his team

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Speaker 6: will meet back, probably at the hotel right across the

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Speaker 6: Lafayette Plaza from the White House, you can see one

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Speaker 6: from the other, and they're going to have to assess

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Speaker 6: do they stay in Washington, do they get on a

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Speaker 6: plane and leave. Do they continue to hold interviews and

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Speaker 6: press availabilities that are currently scheduled, or do they take

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Speaker 6: those off the schedule. Look, this was not a good

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Speaker 6: day for either individual. You know, Vladimir Zelensky came to

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Speaker 6: an Oval office visit knowing Donald Trump well and knowing

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Speaker 6: that he has an explosive and erratic personality sometimes And

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Speaker 6: I don't put any of this on Zelensky, but his

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Speaker 6: reactions didn't result in a meeting that was constructive either,

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Speaker 6: And so both teams are assessing that to this minute

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Speaker 6: to determine where they go from here.

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Speaker 9: I think we had all drawn this conclusion already, but

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Speaker 9: Bloomberg is now confirming with sources familiar that the US

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Speaker 9: and Ukraine did not sign that mineral steel today. They

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Speaker 9: failed to sign the agreement on Natural Resources Genie. It's

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Speaker 9: also worth pointing out as we have just seen now

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Speaker 9: a third world leader leaving the White House this week.

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Speaker 9: This follows a meeting which by all accounts seemed to

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Speaker 9: be successful between President Trump and the UK Prime Minister

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Speaker 9: cair Starmer yesterday, a similar one with the French President

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Speaker 9: Emmanuel Crone mcrone on Monday. Where is Europe in all

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Speaker 9: of this, having just had those meetings, having those two countries,

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Speaker 9: having pledged support for peacekeeping troops, if a deal is

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Speaker 9: ultimately agreed to, what, how are our allies likely viewing

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Speaker 9: what went down today?

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Speaker 7: Well, they have to just be as stunned as we

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Speaker 7: all are. I mean, this was supposed to be to

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Speaker 7: your point, Kelly, the book end of this week of

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Speaker 7: meetings that started off with McCrone and Starmer and seemed

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Speaker 7: at least on the face of them, to have been

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Speaker 7: pretty successful in terms of, you know, trying to pull

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump over to the recognition that the United States

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Speaker 7: has a role to play in securing the future of Ukraine.

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Speaker 7: And that is obviously not you know, not at all.

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Speaker 7: What we've seen go on here, and I do think

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Speaker 7: we have to think long and hard now about this deal.

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Speaker 7: This deal was first broached by Zelensky last year. It

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Speaker 7: seems to have been Waltz and Rubio who tried to

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Speaker 7: bring it up again as a means to get Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump on board, because we know he likes to make

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Speaker 7: deals and this would allow us to get as many

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Speaker 7: rare earth minerals maybe as China, or at least move

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Speaker 7: in that direction. But all along the way he has

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Speaker 7: been no friend of Vladimir Zelensky or Ukraine. And of

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Speaker 7: course now he has a vice president who has long

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Speaker 7: expressed consternation about our support of Ukraine. So you know,

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Speaker 7: as we watch this go down, I am not so

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Speaker 7: sure that it is going to be resurrected quite as

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Speaker 7: easily as some people think. Because for Donald Trump, this is,

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Speaker 7: you know, a sense that he has long had that

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Speaker 7: there are points at which Vladimir Putin has spoken that

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Speaker 7: he reiterates often, and he has a very very different

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Speaker 7: view of the war in Ukraine than the United States

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Speaker 7: have express prior.

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Speaker 5: Jenny Schanzino and Rick Davis, our signature panel Bloomberg Politics

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Speaker 5: contributors on a Breaking news Friday here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 5: I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Liones. We want to bring

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Speaker 5: you back to the White House right now. You just

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Speaker 5: saw President Zelenski's suv with a van carrying the Ukrainian

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Speaker 5: delegation head right down the driveway out of the complex,

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Speaker 5: as Rick said, across Lafayette Park to the hay Adams Hotel.

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Speaker 5: They drove right by our tent on the north lawn

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Speaker 5: where we find Bloomberg's Tyler Kendall right now with the

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Speaker 5: latest what else is going on there?

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Speaker 14: Tyler, Well, Joe. Just to stark difference from when Zalinski

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Speaker 14: arrived at the White House this morning, he was greeted

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Speaker 14: by an honor guard. Fifty six service members carrying flags

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Speaker 14: of each of the US states and territories greeted him.

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Speaker 14: I watched him and President Trump have that handshake right

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Speaker 14: in front of the West Wing, and then just how

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Speaker 14: quickly this has evolved. I mean, waiting for Zelenski to

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Speaker 14: come out here on the White House North lawn, every

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Speaker 14: reporter came out. You could hear a pin drop as

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Speaker 14: we waited for that door to open. Ultimately with Zelenski

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Speaker 14: coming out, not answering any of our questions. We also

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Speaker 14: saw the rest of his delegation pile into their vans

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Speaker 14: as they slowly drove out of these Northwest gates right

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Speaker 14: behind me. So big developments about what happens here next.

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Speaker 14: We're waiting to see if we get any additional information

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Speaker 14: from this White House, if they're going to brief US

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Speaker 14: reporters about what the next steps are coming. But Bloomberg

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Speaker 14: News confirming that that critical minerals deal was not signed,

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Speaker 14: something that President Trump said was critical for the US

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Speaker 14: to move forward when it comes to negotiations to end

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Speaker 14: this war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 9: All right, Bloomberg's Tyler Kendall live at the White House

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Speaker 9: on a historic day. I think we can all say

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Speaker 9: thank you so much. And we want to add the

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Speaker 9: voice now of Kelly Griico, senior fellow with the Stimpson

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Speaker 9: Centers Reimagining US Grand Strategy program with us here on

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Speaker 9: Bloomberg TV and Radio. Kelly, we have been checking in

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Speaker 9: with you throughout the duration of this war, which is now,

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Speaker 9: of course, in its fourth year. And we should all

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Speaker 9: bear in mind that the President Zelensky, who we just

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Speaker 9: saw leave the White House is also leading a country

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Speaker 9: who is still actively at war, and I wonder how

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Speaker 9: this scene playing out in Vladimir Putin obviously going to

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Speaker 9: be able to bear witness to this, impacts what will

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Speaker 9: actually be happening on the ground and how things move

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Speaker 9: forward from here.

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Speaker 15: Yes, well, thank you for having me. I will say

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Speaker 15: it's a little speechless having just watch what happened. I

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Speaker 15: think the good news, if there is ending at the moment,

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Speaker 15: is that just in the last few days, the Ukrainian

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Speaker 15: government has said publicly that they're able to sustain themselves

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Speaker 15: in terms of funds, equipment, and ammunition for at least

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Speaker 15: the first half of this year, so there won't be

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Speaker 15: an immediate impact on the battlefield in terms of material shortages.

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Speaker 15: The only thing I can anticipate if there, for some

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Speaker 15: reason the United States cut them off of information intelligence sharing.

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Speaker 15: We've been providing a lot of ISR intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance

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Speaker 15: information that helps the Ukrainians with targeting, and if that

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Speaker 15: was to be cut off, or if they were lose

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Speaker 15: access to Starlink, which of course is a Musk company,

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Speaker 15: that would have a major impact.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty remarkable. To your point, Kelly, I never thought

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Speaker 5: we'd be talking about a moment like this, everyone we're

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Speaker 5: talking with is sharing the same sentiment that you have here.

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Speaker 5: It's like that moment you can't believe you're getting into

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Speaker 5: a fight or was it was that stagecraft? At the

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Speaker 5: same time, this is a conversation that a lot of

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump's supporters were probably looking forward to hearing and seeing,

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Speaker 5: not fans of President Zelenski, and they don't think that

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Speaker 5: he has been grateful enough.

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Speaker 15: What's your thought, Yes, I mean, I will say that

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Speaker 15: my interpretation of what happened is I see it as

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Speaker 15: it looked to me like he was baited, To be honest,

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Speaker 15: I think the administration was probably unhappy with his remarks

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Speaker 15: at Munich, which was sort of a rebuke of the administration.

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Speaker 15: I think they're concerned in the administration that Tolenski is

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Speaker 15: an impediment to peace, that he is the hardest piece

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Speaker 15: in some ways maybe to get peace, because he's he's

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Speaker 15: still very stuck on ambitious goals for Ukraine that may

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Speaker 15: not be realistic, and I think there's some probably desire

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Speaker 15: to maybe publicly try to rain him in. And this

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Speaker 15: seems to me like it was a tactic. It just

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Speaker 15: seemed like sort of a setup right, because he didn't

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Speaker 15: initiate this confrontation was initiated by you know, the Vice president.

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Speaker 15: Zelenski did not handle this well. To be very clear,

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Speaker 15: he fell for the bait, that's clear for sure. But

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Speaker 15: I think that, you know, how this plays out, this

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Speaker 15: is a risky strategy. How this plays out with the

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Speaker 15: American public is going to be very interesting because on

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Speaker 15: the one hand, there's this sense that Zlenskay has maybe

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Speaker 15: not been sufficiently grateful, uh, and you know that we've

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Speaker 15: done a lot, but it also looks a little bit

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Speaker 15: like the President is, you know, publicly humiliating a wartime

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Speaker 15: democratic leader of another country. And so how that plays

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Speaker 15: out it is hard to say.

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Speaker 3: Uh, but this.

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Speaker 15: Is a This is clearly a very bad, bad moment.

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Speaker 15: And I think the real the real sign to me

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Speaker 15: will be whether Zelensky stays in DC or not and

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Speaker 15: there's a second meeting, or if he ends up going home.

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Speaker 9: Well, I guess we're all waiting to find out. Meantime,

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Speaker 9: you're seeing plenty of reaction pouring in on social media,

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Speaker 9: Kelly the Prime Minister of Poland, Donald Tusk saying dear Zelensky,

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Speaker 9: tagging him on Twitter, dear your Ukrainian friends, you are

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Speaker 9: not alone. And with that said, Kelly, we just have

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Speaker 9: a minute left here. But even if the US were

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Speaker 9: to say, all right, we're done with Ukraine now all

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Speaker 9: of our backing is gone, is Europe able to step

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Speaker 9: in to fill that void.

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Speaker 15: They can fill a lot of voids, but there are

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Speaker 15: certain niche capabilities like patriot interceptors, face based capabilities that

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Speaker 15: are not they're not able to replace that. Only the

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Speaker 15: United States has those.

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Speaker 5: It's great to have you with us, Kelly Griico, Senior Fellow,

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Speaker 5: voices of experience we've brought to you over the past

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Speaker 5: couple of hours here on Bloomberg TV and Radio.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we do know that President Lensky and the Ukrainian

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Speaker 9: delegation have left the White House, but they have not

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Speaker 9: yet left Washington, nor have they made plans to expedite

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Speaker 9: that process to our knowledge at least, though they did

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Speaker 9: not at least at this time sign that natural resources

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Speaker 9: deal with the United States again. That is what was

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Speaker 9: supposed to happen today. We were expecting to see it

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Speaker 9: in fact at this hour, and that of course is

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Speaker 9: not moving forward, as President Trump is suggesting that Vladimir's

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Speaker 9: Lensky today is gambling with World War three.

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Speaker 5: We heard some pretty wild rhetoric together. That's what you

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Speaker 5: Will bring it to you unfiltered and live when we can,

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